McStay Family Murdered: Will Desert Graves Yield Their Killers?
Deserted in the Desert
Gianni Family Photo
Gianni Martelli McStay had rock star hair at only 4years old. His little brother Joseph, affectionately nicknamed Chubba- did as well. They both rocked a beanie like no other little dudes.
Chubba Family Photo
Gianni and Chubba were as inseparable in life as they were in death when they were recovered in a shallow grave in the Mojave Desert on November 11.
Their parents, Joseph, 40 and Summer McStay, 43, were located in a separate grave nearby.
A 3rd gravesite was found-but empty. A protected source not authorized to speak to the media has confirmed that at least one of the parent’s remains was bound by an electrical cord.
While formal DNA comparisons and autopsy protocols are pending, the manner of death in all four victims have been declared homicides.
Just about 50 yards off the intersection of Route 15 and Quarry Rd the family that San Diego County Sheriff’s Department (SDCSD) believed was “likely” voluntarily missing on their own and living in Mexico, was recovered in a 30 hour excavation process. An off road motorcycle enthusiast called the San Bernardino County Sheriff when he came across what he suspected was human remains.
Last April SDCSD forwarded the McStay case to the FBI based on their conclusions that the McStay’s had McGone to Mexico, following a lengthy complaint of their handling of the case by Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father. Troy Dugal, previous lead investigator of the McStay case, appeared on several news and cable television programs over the last three years explaining there was “overwhelming” circumstantial evidence the family of four that was pictured crossing the border into Tijuana, Mexico the evening of February 8th, 2010 was in fact, the McStays.
Following the recovery, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office will maintain jurisdiction of the investigation.
Frenemies.. Frenethieves.. Friends.. Family or Cartel?
Who brutally murders innocent children and dumps them in a hole they dug in the desert?
Logically- someone who is very familiar with the area. Of course it is just as shocking and horrific to murder anyone, but it takes a specific brand of evil to murder a baby. Make that two.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that either Joseph or Summer McStay had any ties to drugs, associates with ties to drugs or cartel, at any time. None.
Contrary to a top selling book on the case, “No Goodbyes” by Rick Baker, there has never been any evidence whatsoever that Summer McStay was some sort of closeted psychotic and homicidal type. The book goes on to malign members of both Joseph and Summer’s families and in some cases outright accuses same of extortion or stealing. Baker’s subsequent public theory is that Summer murdered Joseph and everyone should be looking for her and the boys in Mexico.
Not surprisingly , Baker has requested Amazon pull his book from available stock and has offered refunds to prior purchases. Popular online sleuth sites previously promoting “No Goodbye’s” have since either deleted it’s hundreds of posts endorsing Baker, or moved them to a member’s only private viewing area.
Albeit obtusely, Baker does touch on a troubling and serious abuse allegation concerning Joseph McStay’s oldest son from his first marriage, Jonah, and his step-father, Michael McFadden. He writes summer filed a complaint with Child Protective Services after she and Joseph recorded a conversation with Jonah and placed a copy of same with a private party for safekeeping. Blinkoncrime.com has been able to independently verify that is accurate, but that the investigation was not known to be completed until shortly after the McStay’s disappearance. Under California probate law, Jonah would be an heir to the McStay estate or as otherwise provisioned in the instance of an existing will.
Interviewed by Laura Ling for E! Investigation, Joseph McStay’s web administrator Dan Kavanaugh claims he was the first to become concerned. In Baker’s book, he refers to him as a suspect and details how he alleges he was funneling cash from McStay’s business account before he or anyone else knew the family was missing. Kavanaugh has an unrelated open criminal matter in San Diego County according to court records.
Chase Merritt- Joseph McStay’s business partner in his water fountain design and installation business was the last number ever dialed from his phone at 8:28PM on February 4th. Merritt joined McStay in a lunch meeting earlier that afternoon where they discussed a proposal for a very large car wash chain to feature custom fountains in each facility. According to family friend MacCargar McGyver, McStay was very excited about the opportunity. Merritt claims he passed a voluntary lie detector test, and that he was adamant that Joseph McStay would never have taken his family to Mexico and has always believed they met with foul play.
McGYver spent several days leading up to February 4th at the McStay home due to a painter Summer hired not returning to complete the job. McGyver introduced Summer and Joseph and by all accounts was a close confidant of the couple.
Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father living in Texas has had some harsh words for the investigation into the disappearance of his son, daughter in law and grandsons.
“…most botched, inept investigation I’ve ever seen in my entire life.”
He also believes very strongly that the list of suspects with motive to kill his family members is very short. Three, to be exact.
He said the department didn’t even bother to contact him to tell him his son’s remains had been found.
“I got a message from someone [on Thursday] on Facebook telling me to go and read an article,” McStay said. “The minute I read the article, I knew it was him.”
“I have exhausted and have so much information on three possible persons of interest. All have a motive.”
The three individuals are not connected to each other, but all of them seem like likely candidates. Patrick says one of them seems to be a particularly likely suspect: he’s a wealthy man with a long rap sheet that includes charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. McStay says he, too, has a motive for killing his son.
Although Mr. McStay did not reference him by name, he may be referring to Michael James McFadden, who was arrested in July 1998 and charged with attempted murder and a litany of other felonies including great bodily harm to a child:
459/460(a) PC – Burglary 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
273.5(a) PC – Domestic Violence 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five … 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
240 PC – Attempt to inflict violent force on another person. 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
245(a)(1) PC – Assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm 07/16/1998 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five… 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Criminal Terrorist Threat 07/16/1999 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
664-187 PC – Attempted Murder 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
You will note some of the charges are from 1998, others 1999 on the anniversary date, McFadden successfully negotiated a plea agreement and only pled to criminal terroristic threats and assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm. Both felonies.
In the complaint he lodged against the detectives in SDCSD, Patrick McStay specifically references failure to interview key suspects he provided to LE directly.
Given the location of the bodies, it would seem that whoever is responsible would at least want investigators to think McFadden was involved. As a self-proclaimed mountain bike “racer”, McFadden has participated in several bike events in various locations all along the Route 15 Mojave corridor. SBCSO says they will be re-interviewing everyone in the case and have no suspects.
There have been no named suspects to date and the investigation is ongoing. Memorial or Funeral arrangements for the McStay’s have not yet been announced . LATE EDIT: The family and friends of the McStay family will gather at the grave site in Victorville, on Joseph’s McStay’s birthday.
To be continued in Part 2: Analysis of the last day of their lives points to involvement by someone they knew.
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I believe Michael McStay and his mom gave away or sold much of what belonged to the McStays. Michael claimed a couple of times he used the money from the bank account to pay support. Why would he do that since the McFaddens were not desperate for money and the father paying support is missing. He also gave away or sold a pallet of new flooring, the new appliances in the house, Joseph’s truck, etc. Plus, what ever other $$ he took from the bank account. Is it legal for them to do this when half of it (more or less) belonged to Summer?
I can tell you as a point of fact that Mike did not have to pay any support for Jonah. It was $359 a month and it was an auto debit from his account every month. That statement alone concerns me about the potential for money ties to McFadden.
I will say this- the financials will be analyzed and if there is anything toward- those folks can expect to be interviewed as to the prospect for fraud.
It is a bank requirement.
B
I want to make a correction. Micheal McStay said he took the truck to his house.
I hope this is not a duplicate. I’d like to correct what I said. Michael McStay stated that he took the McStays truck to his house. Supposedly to give to the son when he was old enough. This raises other questions. How did he get the title in his name, for instance, or anyone else’s.
So the green truck was never processed and is in his possession?
B
I don’t know if it was processed. He said it was in his possession a while back and had been for a year at that time, I believe.
Blink… here is more on the truck. They had to wait for search warrants, I believe. “Authorities executed a search warrant on Feb. 19 at the family residence, which included authorization to search a pickup truck left on the property” … which you know was already after the family entered the home the first(?) time and after Susan Blake came on the 17th to clean up and try to find bank accounts.
More from link “An investigator takes photos of the inside of a Dodge truck that remains in the driveway of the McStay family’s Bonsall home.”
I can’t find anything on if it was thoroughly processed, I guess it was.
http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/45499/
Thanks CLL, was not processed under current CSI/CST protocol, but likely not called for in the warrant.
B
The green truck was processed. I have seen photos of crime tape surrounding it, with the doors open, and techs (?) processing it…
Wander, thanks for the link. In Forensic Analysis- I can tell you that does not meet the definition of processed. It may have been imaged, but true forensic processing protocol is not that.
B
link to photos of green truck being processed…
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/Feb/19/region-crime-scene-investigators-search-home-of/
“The McStay family’s green Dodge pickup sat in the driveway, its doors wide open as officials poked through it.”
quoted from
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/Feb/19/region-crime-scene-investigators-search-home-of/
RE: Green truck
The green Dodge was ‘processed’ in the driveway of the home, taken by Mike McStay and given to Joey’s son when he turned 16. Who has it now is anybody’s guess.
I also understand that the hardwood flooring was given to the son for his room, as well as all of his dad’s surf boards.
I have heard that by the time Summer’s mom and sister arrived at the house almost everything was gone with the exception of a few of Summer’s personal belongings.
For his room? They live in a 2 bedroom. What is going on here?
You have a link for any of this?
B
I have read in past forums that Patrick McStay is not Joey McStay’s biological father. Perhaps that is the excuse Mike McStay can use
to exclude him from the memorial. Still doesn’t make it right and I
actually feel for Patrick McStay after he has put up with the ineptness
of San Diego Sheriff’s Dept and their lack of handling this case (and it’s not the first one they have botched).
And my person of interest here is DK
Patrick is Joey’s adopted father, and the biological father of Michael. He and Susan divorced in 1975 and Patrick has been in his life very actively since then.
Under the law- Patrick is Joey’s Dad, period.
B
Isn’t the memorial at a Vineyard Church where Michael is a member?
They should just attend. They should call Vineyard pastor and inform they are coming to
worship as family members. (Better yet also rmail the Pastor; put it in writing.)
My memories are over 40 years old, but my personal impression of Vineyard was it is cult-ish
and personality dependent but had plenty of popular songs.
http://www.ccel.us/racing.ch29.html
There was a popular leading “Jesus movement church in Calif in the late 60s, early 70s, Peninsula Bible,
and others like Wimber tried to emulate it. I worked at Dallas Seminary in early 70s and remember a couple of disaffected students who were college (IVCF) staffers & they founded some of TX/OK first Vineyard churches when
there were hardly any. Imo the Vineyards of the 70s/80s used standard theological words but with entirely different
meanings than laity thought. Didn’t matter to the young mostly because the music was good & you wore jeans.
They should document to the Pastor they plan to attend.
Then her family should go after whoever wasted her half of the assets,
obtain an accounting & Court judgement & place a lien on whoever.
This is no time to be noble. It is time for justice for this nuclear
family.
I totally agree with you. The only addition I would make is that in my experience, people suffering extreme grief are rarely in a position to see such an important task list at the time. I pray that this family gets some interventions.
B
Yes Blink I agree with you totally. Why pick the felon McFadden over your own father, the only father you will ever have. Because none of Susan’s other many many husbands and live in boyfriends are his father, only Patrick. I have sat down with Patrick and know what an amazing person he is. Riddle me this Mike Mcstay – So Michael after all your ranting and raving against your father for almost four years, now you blame it all on McFadden’s record being brought to light and claiming your nephew is unhappy with his grandfather because of that. So did your father do all of McFadden’s crimes or did McFadden do them himself? Don’t you have it backwards in who you are blaming? Could it be that you have some other deep seated problems like being jealous of the relationship Joey and your dad had that you felt you didn’t? What is your real problem Michael?
J4M- I don’t want to see anyone bashed on here, I do know you to have first hand information about the allegations you are making and I accept them to be true.
I do not understand the allegiance to McFadden, the open deceptions about his record, etc. I don’t think that McFadden absolutely lied to Mike about his record, I know he did, and he attempted to do so here. When approached in the new piece, did you notice he tried to hide his face and would not address his record on camera? Why not- if he maintains that “half of those charges weren’t mine” as he tried to on here.
Respectfully observing, but know something off when I see it.
B
I have comments from McFadden on here that I did not approve that were turned over to LE. I don’t know if he was involved or not,
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24256729/mcstay-murder-mystery-who-is-vick-johansen
Has Michael or his Mother ever stopped to realise how many laws they have broken? If there is no will – and we haven’t heard of any – then how did they sell all of Joey’s and Summer’s belongings and personal effects? How much money was collected? How much money did they take or get from Joey’s business? What gave them the authority to do anything personally or business wise? They had no legal authority at all! None of them had been legally declared dead and couldn’t have been. So what legal rights did they think they have. Why didn’t they consult with the other family members before disposing of anything?
Did they ask Blanche or Patrick, did they get their permission to do anything? As far as is known the answer is no. Now since all of that belongs to Joseph and Summer’s estate, how much of the money or value for those items was turned over to the state and IRS? What about the sales tax on the business sales, did they report that and how much money they got or used for anything other than the business? Did they claim any of it on their taxes? I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of them if the IRS or the State of California comes calling.
What about all the lawsuits they are liable for, if only to force them to give accounting for every penny or value for anything or items. I sure wouldn’t want to be in Michael or his mothers shoes because they were the ones who did all this without any legal authority. All it takes is one whistle blower to open all this to a massive investigation by the IRS and State.
Lauren may have found a person that could be involved in her link.
This guy, as described in the article linked, is more than a little off center. He has an anger problem from way back and he states that he is still in love with Summer.
Earlier I suggested that LE should be checking the background of Summer for someone who wanted to harm her.
The McFadden money and other assets movement may be only an opportunist at work in a time of confusion. McFadden had no legal right to touch anything belonging to the McStay’s.
Rose
I remember those groups. I nicknamed them the “dirty jeans and rock music” churches. “Mary Jane” played a prominent role in their life.
FYI Michael Mcstay posted this on his Facebook about the memorial and the decision to ask Patrick not to attend.
“I know that there has been a lot of talk and speculation as to why my father has been asked not to attend my family’s Memorial Service. The truth of the matter is that Jonah (Joey’s son) comes first. Patrick was asked repeatedly to not speak publicly about Mike McFadden, Jonah’s step father. It is so upsetting to Jonah that he considered not going to the Memorial if his Grandfather was there. My mother knows how much this would have hurt Joey and made the decision to put Jonah first. I agree with her decision. We want this to be a celebration of my family’s life and Jonah was Joey’s life and needs to be there. Where the rumors are coming from that the Aranda Family were asked not to attend, I have no idea. They are hosting the Memorial with us and will be there to help us celebrate Summer, Joey, and the boys.”
He continued in the comments section:
“Jonah comes first. Patrick can host his own public memorial in Texas if he’s so inclined. The private memorial for family members only (including Patrick) is at a later date once a plot is secured. (Probably in Feb or March) This is supposed to be a Beautiful event to honor Summer Joey G & J… Jonah is a minor and has his entire life in front of him. He comes first Period! If you don’t get this, too bad!”
Sounds like Michael McStay does not consider his father ‘family’ as he refers to him as Patrick (except for the first sentence). Patrick stated on his FB that Michael is lying about banning the Aranda’s and he has texts/calls to prove it “They also contain the banning of the Aranda’s and that will also be proven in the calls. I also have conversations with others that prove me to be correct.” Michael McStay also excluded PM’s Aunt and Uncle from the memorial and that Joey was very close to them.
Michael sounds very childish- referring to it as “my family’s” memorial service. “Patrick can host his own public memorial in Texas if he’s so inclined”. How immature and antagonizing.
Michael and McFadden should step up and act like real men-the kind of man Joseph seemed to be. Use this to teach Jonah and their other children about some of life’s precious lessons like forgiveness and setting aside differences in times of loss and especially when honoring one’s life. Might I add, WWJD?What Would Jesus & Joseph Do?
I think Michael needs mirror.
B
Heather was pregnant by Michael McFadden before she separated from Joseph McStay and when Michael McFadden was arrested in 1998 for domestic violence against another woman.
Can you confirm that please?
B
Wow…
This case is mindboggling !!
First of all… Blink… thanks for this forum…
So many twists and turns.. and I have learned so much here….
From the LAUREN post….
This guy a candidate for a real strong suspect.
If all that is true about VJ, then that’s a pretty good motive and explains the reason for the kids being killed as well (he didn’t care about them; kind of like when a lion takes over another pride… all the offspring tht are not his must be eliminated… very primal..)
If he was living in San Clemente, it also explains why the phones were ditched off of the bridge…on the way back to San Clemente. I believe the call to CM was not planned.
I believe that when the phone hit the bottom of the bridge canyon, the phone dialed CM. This explain why he hears only background noise on his voicemail. I have dropped my phone and had it accidentlay dial the last number in storage, so that could happen. In 2010, it wasn’t common knowledge that LE could track phone pings… so the killed was probably know aware of this…
But, I am still not convinced that there are not two or more parties involved.. Am thinking there has got to be an accomplice somewhere in the mix no matter which scenario you go with.
Option 1: Ex-wife and stepfather—clear motive, gain=staying out of jail on the CPS case/ not losing your kid to your ex.
(residence is also a direct route to where the phones were last pinged)
Option 2: Buisness partners—clear motive=financial gain (the Victorville link is very suspicious.. plus, my understanding is that CM took the lie detector test but did not pass…. Results were inconclusive)
Option 3: Ex boyfriend—clear motive=love triangle/revenge/jealousy (the old green eyed monster), couldn’t get over the relationship
(If he was living in San Clemente, residence is also a direct route to where the phones were last pinged… I also read McCarger introduced JM and SM…. If true, does he also know VJ ??)
Option 4: Stranger—motive—unknown—unlikely
I’d also like to through this in; have read much about the property in South America… if you are a surfer, then your goal in life is to retire to some place near some surf; Belize, Honduras, Costa Rica are ALL locations you will hear surfers talk about retiring to, so this is not uncommon.
Bottomline is..
It’s amazing to me how many people in their lives are “shady characters”….. I am thinking I need to get out more..
My 2 cents…
Blink – would it be a good guess to assume that Kavanaugh, McFadden, and Johansen comprise Patrick’s short list of suspects? With friends like these…
Yes Jack.
And I would add that he remains in that “opinion” because he feels strongly that none of them have been investigated correctly.
I have to agree with him and I also believe Mr. McStay would “move on” past any person LE could or would clear to his satisfaction.
B
Blink,
Regarding Comment #9 – Here’s a piece posted by Mike (admin) on the McStayFamily.org page regarding items Mike gave to Joey’s oldest son.
Six Months Have Passed
by admin on August 7, 2010
A few weeks ago my mom let J—- take whatever he wanted from his dad’s house. This situation is tough enough to deal with as an adult, let alone have to deal with it as a 14 year old teenager about to start high school and wondering what happened to his dad. He took all Joey’s surfboards, ipod, music (he really wanted his dad’s music). He wants his room to done in the hardwood flooring that was at the house, so we gave them that too. We sold the appliances and gave them the money as well. Earlier this week I went down to Joey’s house and met with Summer’s family to help remove some of Joey & Summer’s remaining items.
http://www.mcstayfamily.org/six-months-have-passed
From an article in the San Diego Union-Tribune…
The McStays: A lingering mystery
By John Wilkens and Teri FigueroanoonFeb. 2, 2013
McStay said, “Our family hasn’t taken any of that money, not one dime.” He said funds were used to complete fountain projects already under way and to make child-support payments for Joseph’s teenage son.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/feb/02/mcstay-missing-fallbrook-family/all/?print
Again, I stand by my assertion that those payment were made automatically, and Mike McStay is flat out wrong about that issue.
B
Re#12 – Mr. J sounds like a real peach. I did note one comment re a husband still in prison in Arizona. Do you know anything about him, Blink? The McStays certainly had some shady friends/associates in their lives.
Vick is/was a train wreck. I am just not sure he is the worst one.
B
It was $359 a month and it was an auto debit from his account every mon
But the account was frozen. That is why the home went under as well.
How’s that?
Do you know when the account was frozen? I do, and that does not jibe.
B
I’m getting a little concerned about this investigation.
Is it stuck in the slow lane?
Perhaps too many suspects and not enough clues.
It must be five weeks since the bodies were discovered.
Even if this were a ‘fresh case’ at five weeks it would be getting close to cold case territory.
Can you give me/us something positive Blink?
Thank you.
Unfortunately no. I am going to be the bearer of the worst possible news in this case- no getting around that.
B
For his room? They live in a 2 bedroom. What is going on here?
You have a link for any of this?
I did read he MM said he paid the support and gave JM son the Truck.
Who lives in a 2 bedroom? The house that was to get the hardwood floor in Fallbrook had a bonus room, office, more than two bedrooms I am sure
Feel free to read up. The comment was in reference to providing $4K in flooring to Jonah’s room. The home is a 2 bedroom in Oceanside.
Property records are public and quite accessible. Find your own link.
B
http://www.sbsun.com/…/mysterious-mcstay-case-belies-laid-back-family-life
Nov 15, 2013 – When the McStay family vanished from their Fallbrook home in … They were in the process of remodeling their four-bedroom, three-bathroom home when … show a family of four, believed by many to be the McStays, crossing …
Accounts Frozen auto pay stopped
http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/53576/
Because the family’s finances have been red-flagged, the mortgage on the McStay family home has not been paid since March 2010, but it is not formally in the foreclosure process yet.
“When the finances were frozen, the ‘auto-pay’ on the mortgage also stopped,” said DuGal. “It is protocol to free the account of missing persons.”
I assume free is a typo instead of freeze
Are you saying that Joey’ son, his mother, stepdad and other child(ren) live in a 2 bedroom?
Never have a seen so many viable suspects, with the laws and felony’s staying out of jail (some misdeed found out by JM) seems just as possible a motive while people seem to look at what could be gained.
Love how you wrote about these little boys, this is awful and I hope it solves. As far as MM its confusing because I assumed he did not live in the Oceanside house, work all the way in Laguna and that reporter said he left to his home in Laguna.
Six Months Have Passed
by admin on August 7, 2010
Date Mike posted he paid support, LE said accounts frozen in May same year. But I think I might have read he withdrew $5,000 also in order to pay support and your right that would not make sense if he could withdraw must not have been frozen at that time. If that is wrong just please do not post, this case has enough inaccurate info on the net. It is also confusing that Mike and Susan took over the company but Dan K is the one who sold it.
I don’t know why Mike McStay took funds from Joey, but it most definitely was not for Jonah’s support. They were paid automatically, and were until the account was frozen. I do know that Mike was sued that year for making false representations on his mortgage application- specifically, that he was the owner of EIP.
B
Dugal claims the accounts were frozen from the day the family went missing on Feb. 4. There has been evidence printed in Baker’s book showing an order for Joey’s QuickBook Account and other money transfers by DK, MM and “somebody” starting from Feb. 6. Patrick claims DK sold EIP, and he was not a listed owner on the business. Joey was the sole proprietor. How did this happen if the assets were frozen, as Dugal states?
I have never seen Dugal state that, and if he did he is flat out wrong. The accounts were not frozen until June, 2010.
Joey was sole proprietor of his business.
B
The continued slow pace of this investigation is beyond frustrating. B, could you further explain your previous post of “being the bearer of the most unfortunate news?” Do you feel their will be no resolve for this case or do you feel a deal will be made offering an individual immunity to get “the others?”
Please forgive the following rant as it makes me out to be a perpetuating child, where is part two, Where Is Part Two, WHERE IS PART TWO!?
Be safe and have a wonderful holiday.
Also, regarding the third grave, could you offer up a theory? Do you believe it was meant for the person who dug the grave?
I think that the crime scene information that is being withheld for investigative reasons may shed some light, however, my sources say that the SBCSD has backed off the opinion the 3rd site was related to the homicides.
B
The one thing no one has pointed out is this – you will never hear or see any one speaking out on Michael’s FB. Because they will be banned and they know it. He and Kathy Itzel (the admin protector) won’t let anyone disagree with Michael or Susan. No, and don’t dare defend Patrick. Look at everyone that has in anyway spoke up or told the truth or has asked questions about the case or disagreed with Debbie Erp, they have been banned or blocked from “Find The McStay Family”, so where is the real honesty. There is none there. Debbie Erp has gone out of her way to attack everyone she could that disagrees with her or befriends Patrick, and Michael clearly knows it and continues to allow her on his FB were she finds people to attack. That to me is him condoning everything she does. So does that mean he is working with her to attack his own father, it sure makes you wonder doesn’t it?
The accounts were not frozen for several months and the automatic payments continued. That information was given to Patrick by Det. Dugal. Patrick also has records showing withdrawals from Joey’s account after February when the accounts were red flagged as was stated in the news article listed here in Blink. The 5k to Michael’s company wasn’t taken until March clearly after the red flagging. So how would you explain that? Could Det. Dugal lied? Or was it, as he said, before there was a crime so he couldn’t do anything he had no authority to. This information has been on Search 4 Mcstays, Patrick’s FB, for several years.
Regarding Dugal’s comment about the accounts being red-flagged as of Feb. 4th.
Thursday, January 6th, 2011
Issue 01, Volume 15.
Andrea Verdin
Staff Writer
“We have looked at financial records, Summer’s bank accounts, Joseph and Summer’s joint account, and Joseph’s business account,” said DuGal, who also said email and cell phone accounts have been completely inactive since the family’s disappearance. “All the accounts have been red-flagged and none of them have been touched since February 4. Prior to the family going missing, the account’s activity had been normal. There had been no major withdrawals or [an indication that they were] putting money under a pillow for a vacation.”
http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/53576/
The one piece that sticks out about this crime is that whoever did this wanted it hidden. A murder generally involves a crime scene and an investigation. Missing is just a big empty question mark. I wonder if the children could have been killed because they were deemed collateral, in other words had they have been left to live, everyone would have known that the parents were dealt a horrible fate as they would have never left their kids behind. Whoever did this wanted them gone and wanted to hide the deed and now are themselves, hiding in plain view.
When the part 2? You still standing by your statement they were in your opinion shot in the graves? Cause of death not ………. cartel style. I fail to understand why Mike give media info he clearly should not. Seriously pondering does he have ADD, lack good judgement. Example would be the neighbors with the camera who said they wanted to be unknown seems they were scared but Mike the way he told about the cameras one knew straight away which house had them, cause he shared where they were pointed. Is it all a possible he is not dealing with a full deck and or this was all too much for him from the start he has not idea what he is doing?
Is there a way to be notified when part 2 posts
set your RSS feed, but this thread will get a link. I don’t have any immediate plans to publish II unless some things in the hands of LE become discussionable.
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Mike seems to have shared COD as shooting at the site. Unless that is his opinion.
What I can say unequivocally, is that the cause of death has not been shared with Mike McStay.
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Worse possible news? IMO would rather hear this will not solve then they had to go through even more than imagined. This is already so awful how can it get worse? Someone they loved and trusted? LE walking away because they had their own fears? Look forward to next story.
What about this scenario: A business partner of the fountain business was involved in something “shady” to do with the fountain business, such as drugs inside the fountains, which involved other parties. Joey did NOT know about this “shady business” and found out, or threatened to expose it, and that business partner was by default was indirectly involved in their actual murders, i.e., the situation with the other parties involved became out of the business partner’s control, and the McStays were killed…
Thank You, because I was starting to wonder about LE being that Mike seems to share everything and anything and often I sit and think now wait is that not different then what he said …………. It seems they should know by now whatever his issue is (and I am not attacking him for all I know the man is overwhelmed) if they tell him info it tends to end up public. And in various versions.
Forgive the question but I have to ask- is there some sort of financial arrangements between McFadden and Mike/Susan?
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If you are at all correct someone needs to look out for Jonah and his interests. Could it be there is no money deal but MM never gave MM the money he said he did? And child support? And MM has this as leverage? What I read is that Mike has BEEN ALLOWED by MM to be an active participant and see Jonah and it sounded like all MM would have to do is say no to end that participation. Does not Susan have grandparent rights? Wouldn’t his mother be the one to ALLOW if Mike was allowed to see him or not? Seems not, seems MM is in charge. To me it read like we need to bend over backwards for MM because he has been so gracious and kind that he ALLOWED Joeys family contact with Joeys son. Which I assume they would not want dis allowed. And that makes me worry about exactly what situation Jonah as well as his mother are in.
I wonder if the children could have been killed because they were deemed collateral
I think the perp got lucky and did not know nobody would report this for that length of time. Seems to me the children being able to ID them would be motive. No matter how you twist it, to murder TWO BABIES
this is a different animal(s). COLD
Blink do you know why nobody was put in charge of the assets? I never understood why they sold well everything they could and took over his business yet they just let the house get taken by the bank? Couldn’t someone have been put in charge to rent this house for the small amount monthly payment? Not loose the down and then later as it went up in value kept for Jonah or sold and split however the law works.
Instead the bank took it and I heard of no effort to prevent that.
Would it have been possible to prevent that?
@Marcia. Or, whoever did this did not want
to be burdened with guardianship (or expense)
of the children.
or imo want the children to inherit,
with a Court appointed guardian.
Michael – who works in construction – believes they were made by a Bobcat-type vehicle. He claims they were too old to have been made during the excavation of the bodies – which was done by hand.
He is also convinced the killers had intimate local knowledge because of the secluded nature of the gruesome grave site – around 100 miles from the family’s Fallbrook home.
Michael also said there is a quarry nearby, meaning the use of a digger would not seem out of the ordinary to any witnesses. And there is a shooting range nearby – so gunshots would not have sounded out of place, he said.
The tracks at the scene also makes Michael think whoever was responsible was not an amateur and knew what they were doing.
Need link, and not sure I understand your point.
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