Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage

Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing,  Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.

Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW,  a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.

In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud-  the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper,  Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.

Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.

 

 

BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.

 

 

 

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  1. Malty says:

    @sunshine. Like your name. Anyway I think Terri is clearly educated and and able to research but this situation of someone like the Soldier having only one goal 24/7 to track her down and stop her right to work is a real
    Hardship as it would be for any of us
    I truly believe these people should be restrained when it comes to letting her hold down a job And a place to live
    I cannot ever see hating another to the point of no home and no job. There must be a price to pay for treating a person like this I hope to see this Soldier get hers soon
    The LE DA know where she is if they want to arrest her So let her work and live in peace

  2. Rose says:

    saw that, thank you, I responded. Most helpful :)
    B

  3. Rose says:

    @TRuth re “Does anyone know why Mark Wagner, is that Mark H Wagner?, would come out of retirement to defend Terri the civil suit?”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/
    1) hi profile case (N Grace here I come)
    2) she could pay him then
    imo not altruism.

  4. T, Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    January 12, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    Ah yes, Rose, practicing attorney 1 2 and 3 would all apply. But, this man came “out of retirement” to represent her in her in a civil case. WTh?

    He’s no spring chicken (if I have the right one).

    There’s got to be a reason. Owing someone a favor perhaps? Who? Houze? TMH? Moultons? IDK, but the more I think about someone actually coming out of retirement and *wanting to get involved in ths case* aka, mess to me, unless they were friends with and personally asked by one of Terri’s attorneys Houze/Bunch, then it is sort of hanging on my ear like that bent chad of yesteryear. Where did this guy come from? I know Blink told us about a Rackner connection, but Rackner was on the offence, so where and how did this dude end up on the defense?

  5. erose says:

    @TRuth, Blink has written that TH’s family friend in Banks is an attorney. Just a guess, but did TH take her legal ques from this attorney? Remember, the attorneys place was searched per request from KH.

  6. Rose says:

    Is this the one RRuth?
    He’s not retired, just no longer a managing partner.
    http://hartwagner.com/attorneys/mark-h-wagner/
    Not looking further than this page, but observations:
    he likes publicity-bringing hi profile cases
    yes, he does PI cases, but does not specialize in what she needs now
    (Federal Court – interstate stalking; violation of drivers protection act,
    constitutional rights violations – liberty interests.)

  7. Rose says:

    page with Blink’s Rackner – Wagner’s firm’s comments
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/

  8. Nelmel says:

    An officer of the court — the county’s top dawg law enforcment official — permitting hateful, irrationally angry comments to remain on his re-election social media has to have a reason for doing so. There is no advantage to Underhill’s re-election odds if he allows this toxic soup of rants to remain readable by the public.

    So why leave them up?

    Is Underhill and his people thinking that if enough outraged (and mostly totally outrageous) comments remain on his re-election FB page, that someone out there will finally cough up some solid evidence about Kyron’s case that police can investigate, confirm, and use to arrest a person responsible for Kyrson’s disappearance?

    Nah. Never mind. I’m thinking Underhill’s people are just inept and no one wants to tell him to ditch the FB page until it’s been cleaned up. He’s afraid of the HCs.

  9. Rose says:

    OT
    Wetterling …a person of interest was identified to the public last Oct-Nov, but he was there
    from the beginning.

    here’s the rub,
    “….none of that would have ever happened if the Wetterlings had not gotten involved and insisted that Stearns County, the FBI, the BCA, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children all come together to look at the bigger picture. As Patty said in her statement last week, “When good people pull together, amazing things happen.”
    http://www.joybaker.com/category/jacob/

    It seems Wetterling’s mother challenged LE agencies to collaborate, progress, and look at community-based SZ type males. as contrasted with a polarizer of agencies (DA, MCSO etc).

    Supporting Rose’s point here- Ms. Wetterling in effect is/was DY “volunteer boss”. I can tell you that investigation had its share of seriously false allegations against suspects. Wetterlings et al never once commented on the veracity of those, which is why their requests or DEMANDS for escalation worked. It is necessary in Kyron’s case.
    B

  10. Rose says:

    @NelMel wrt
    “Nah. Never mind. I’m thinking Underhill’s people are just inept and no one wants to tell him to ditch the FB page until it’s been cleaned up. He’s afraid of the HCs.”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments

    Concur big time. tho prob not afraid, just inattentively beneath him. Mostly the inept thing imo.

    Had he class as a County DA, the stalker thing would’ve been long resolved.

  11. T. Ruth says:

    @Nelmel says:
    January 13, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    Nelmel says:
    January 13, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    An officer of the court — the county’s top dawg law enforcment official — permitting hateful, irrationally angry comments to remain on his re-election social media has to have a reason for doing so. There is no advantage to Underhill’s re-election odds if he allows this toxic soup of rants to remain readable by the public.

    So why leave them up?

    Is Underhill and his people thinking that if enough outraged (and mostly totally outrageous) comments remain on his re-election FB page, that someone out there will finally cough up some solid evidence about Kyron’s case that police can investigate, confirm, and use to arrest a person responsible for Kyrson’s disappearance?

    Nah. Never mind. I’m thinking Underhill’s people are just inept and no one wants to tell him to ditch the FB page until it’s been cleaned up. He’s afraid of the HCs.

    *************
    Hi NelMel, how’s the pasta simmerin? I was going to just respond to your post, but I thought it should be posted again, due to such pin-pointed, acute relevancy. So, why indeed? Why would RU allow this BS? I just figured he’d handed his FB job off to some staff member and they are lame, and or totally unaware of life as it exists now, but now, you’ve got me wondering, is RH going fishing?

    Big damn pond that.

  12. Malty says:

    I don’t get it what is going on with RU either unless he feels he has no competition for DA so what people think doesn’t matter I guess in March we will find out if any one wants the job
    But this whole case has been given a big ok to harass Terri and Dede Why ? No one in LE or the media wants to touch the subject. Not even to keep them from working And a place to live Like it is ok to tell every private
    Effort on these women’s part to basics Why?

  13. Rose says:

    It’s excellent evidence Underhill has no intent ever of prosecuting Terri, because if Underhill did charge her, it would not only be a defense attorney’s dream (and would ensure MCDA’s recusal & case removal to another County), imo it would be cause for a Bar complaint (and may yet be).
    —-
    The difference between MCDA’s Office culture (legacy of Shrunk & Frink) and an ethical DA culture is an ethical DA would ask what if this accused woman were my sister or mother? Such a DA could not clear her of a conspiracy to abduct until SZ is found, but an ethical DA, concerned fir ALL victims, coukd state barebone facts: Kyron was last seen departing Mathews’ room with X, and her is his composite. At that time, TH was seen on camera at X, and Ms Spicher has been given adequate GJ testimony, substantiated by poly, such that we are satisfied at this time that she played no role in the abduction.
    —-
    3 women Office Director prosecutors that have come to my attention via this blog (Miller, Kane, Marshall) have all gotten in big political trouble and had quite a struggle when they’ve changed their Office and prosecutorial practice cultures, so maybe Underhill is just using universally successful and necessary skills to stay in the DA office.

  14. Rose says:

    Underhill failing to show leadership and make a public change in the Shrunk/Frink MCDA culture (gimme a conviction, any conviction) reminded me of the notorius Henry Wade’s DA prosecutorial culture. Here’s one of Wade’s many wrongful convictions based on little to no evidence, destroying someone’s life and family in the process: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1987/02/03/convictions-of-lenell-geter/b5d47ca1-448e-443e-8414-63eeaa862104/

  15. Rose says:

    I guess DY is feeling heat from somewhere because Green had to post a disclaimer of DY’s role:
    ” name is Stacey, I am a volunteer for Kyron’s family. Kyron’s family does not run this page.”
    Probably the reason DY written posts are rare and innocous (memory box). Has Admin deleted
    Kelly’s post on WS saying we read and approve everything on this site?

  16. Malty says:

    WOW Thank you Rose

    A beautiful post I really touched me I hope not many people ever have to suffer this kind of injustice
    And ruined lives. Or in this case it was turned around. This is a terrible thing to happen to anyone
    Another great post Rose

  17. cd says:

    Rose says:
    January 14, 2016 at 7:16 am

    —-
    The difference between MCDA’s Office culture (legacy of Shrunk & Frink) and an ethical DA culture is an ethical DA would ask what if this accused woman were my sister or mother? Such a DA could not clear her of a conspiracy to abduct until SZ is found, but an ethical DA, concerned fir ALL victims, coukd state barebone facts: Kyron was last seen departing Mathews’
    ———-
    An ethical DA would tell the posters on his site That DDY has testified before the GJ and passed an LDT and is no longer any kind of suspect in Kyrons case. An ethical DA would tell them that KH’s property has already been searched with cadaver dogs. Instead Undersell allows posters on HIS Facebook to perpetuate the lies told to them by SG. It’s pretty obvious to anyone who stumbles onto his re election site that Underhill is NOT ethical DA.

    Not intending to convert conversation from Kyron, but I am covering the Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey cases and I have found myself more than once comparing prosecutorial and LE misconduct http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/14/netflix-making-a-murderer-epic-bingeblast-netertainment-or-visionary-expose-volume-ii/. We are only forced to look at it because of an arrest and ensuing exposure.
    B

  18. Malty says:

    This is so sick

    http://koin.com/2016/01/13/senator-dhs-chose-to-do-nothing-on-abuse-allegations/

    Absolutely inexcusable. One question- why isn’t the press naming the owners of GUTD, who are absolutely subject to FOIA and naming as they are using both state and Federal subsidy, yet I have 3 outlets doxing where TH may live, and may have registered a car. How ridiculous is that?
    These are seriously abused children. That is where a DA should get his head out of the sand on the State level.
    B

  19. Rose says:

    Underhill’s MCDA perpetuation of Shrunk Frink office culture is
    interesting because his wife with a reputable national law firm specializes
    in Legal Ethics & has applied to be an appointed volunteer on the OR Bar BOG
    on the Legal Ethics Committee.

    Rackner btw had a Bar Complaint made by an opposing
    domestic relations attorney on 8/3/12 (iirc)
    for “dishonesty and misrepresentation.”
    While investigated, it was dismissed.

  20. Rose says:

    iirc from earlier press, the owner of GUTD was an aggressive black female who hurled charges of racism to DHS at every turn, intimidating the DHS employees. Here is an example from the article Malty linked:

    “It feels like we have a Mississippi burning, 2014, Oregon style,” she wrote. “It is covert and overt racism and a misuse of power at best.”
    It does not explain why DHS did not refer a case to MCDA on criminal charges for personal lifestyle expenditures. After all,
    the Go of VA got jail time for similar. Perhaps DHS did, and it will be found
    someone higher up in the Exec Branch or Legislature ran interference for the
    business owner with DHS and MCDA. Someone like Kitzhaber, or the Chair of a
    Legislative committee controlling DHS’ budget. Just more favoritism when it comes to
    criminal charges from the MCDA. And where’s the PPB investigation?
    —-
    BTW Herron’s job title is now “detective” on line.

    Is it me, or is WTF goes on there too strongly worded?
    B

  21. Malty says:

    @Rose so the Soldier had to finally admit she is not mom About time Or family About time
    Now I hope she gets more trouble for personal postings That look like she knew Kyron
    she deserves to be asked to stand down Now As for Kelly she is a copy cat of you know who I have zero respect
    For how she has conducted her self on line in this case about her nephew Esp Dede and the way. She eats
    I wonder how Aunty eats. Don’t like her

  22. Malty says:

    And
    Blink is right why no media big fuss Lyle over abused children or DA or LE To busy looking for Terri

  23. Rose says:

    @mbs. Wasn’t it Charlene Williams & her MCDA Supervisee ADAs who were busy about
    adjudicating neglected/abused kids into Court-supervised (haha) foster care & juvenile placements?
    When one had teen juveniles (pending or post trial) placed in group homes like this,
    or kids placed in foster care thru the adjudication process of their parents, in my antique experience elsewhere,
    the govt or often the kid’s own attorney (who could make the arrangement for the licensed care provider to
    give the kid a space), would tell the Judge during the Court hearing what licensed provider had agreed to the
    child’s placement with them.
    So, imo Charlene knew about this lady’s iffy operation as did Charlene & her ADAs handling juvenile and foster care
    cases.

  24. Rose says:

    just to clarify, the Judge(s) and ADAs who advocated for and took custody for the State, placing children in this woman’s facility despite copious founded complaints need to go to jail just like the Judges of Luzerne County PA.

  25. erose says:

    The Dana Pretzer Show – Thursday, January 14, 2016 – A Special Two Part Interview About the Netflix Series “Making a Murderer” | Scared Monkeys says:
    January 14, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/11/netflix-making-a-murderer-epic-bingeblast-netertainment-or-visionary-expose/

  26. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    January 14, 2016 at 3:49 pm
    (snip)

    BTW Herron’s job title is now “detective” on line.

    *****************

    So, I’m guessin’ maybe he’s the “detective” assigned Kyron’s case now?

  27. T. Ruth says:

    The foster care system has earned the attention of lawmakers such as Gelser and also Gov. Kate Brown, who has shaken up the management of the Department of Human Services and ordered an external review of Oregon’s child welfare systems.

    One of Gelser’s reform proposals, which will be aired during a hearing Thursday, would make abuse and neglect investigation reports a public record, provided they involved a state-funded program. That bill would also give regulators new power to quickly revoke a provider’s license if it faced serious abuse allegations.

    Another would change how abuse and neglect investigations are processed. Overall in 2014, more than half of complaints fielded by the Department of Human Services were closed during an initial screening. That’s because state law strictly limits investigations in child welfare cases, usually to incidents involving near-death and other serious injuries or an ongoing threat.

    Gelser has repeatedly argued that standard often excludes credible allegations involving real harm. Gelser wants to set a lower threshold that would include threats, neglect through the denial of food or medicine, financial fraud and lesser injuries that don’t leave a child near death.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/foster_care_scandal.html

    (snipped, more @link)

  28. Rose says:

    OT
    Beautifully written:
    http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/13/bundyland/
    If an OR Federal Bldg(s) were taken over at gunpoint
    by muslims or syrian refugees,
    rather than right wing white mormons, would FBI
    Briezling’s response differ?

  29. Rose says:

    Actually, looking back at press, Herron id’d himself as a “detective” as far back as Nov 2011.
    —–
    Just going to generally comment on the Gelser thing, as I didn’t save urls.

    The woman in charge of child welfare at OR DHS who resigned last summer after Brown got in was iirc there 7 yrs and came in as a Kitz appointee. as I recall she was a Kitz favor to a legislator. Iirc, her “career path” prior to his appointment was working on legislator(s) campaigns. This was not a professional in the child welfare or foster care field.

    Nothing is broken in OR DHS that changes to the patronage appointments between Dem Exec and Dem Legislators won’t cure. No legislation is needed, but imo Gelser is another politician making the most of opportunity.
    —–
    I haven’t read the primary sources, but based on:

    “One of Gelser’s reform proposals, which will be aired during a hearing Thursday, would make abuse and neglect investigation reports a public record, provided they involved a state-funded program. ”

    That is impossible (and the money derives from the Feds while passing thru the State.

    Such investigations are often initiated by unfounded reports, at times by malicious or ignorant people. There is a reason they are unfounded. If a minimal threshhold is founded, then the investigation is passed to a longer term one. Making public invades adult & child privacy.

    BTW this “investigation” bill language has zero to do with OR enforcing what are probably fine licensing standards of foster facilities.

    “That bill would also give regulators new power to quickly revoke a provider’s license if it faced serious abuse allegations.”

    Well, you know, that coukd violate the licensed facility’s due process.
    All DHS had to do with GUTD was use the tools it had–and didn’t due to ineptness and political considerations.

    Better legislation would bar Governors from making DHS Child Welfare a political appointment, and make it civil service competitive.

    “Another would change how abuse and neglect investigations are processed. Overall in 2014, more than half of complaints fielded by the Department of Human Services were closed during an initial screening. That’s because state law strictly limits investigations in child welfare cases, usually to incidents involving near-death and other serious injuries or an ongoing threat”

    I dispute that’s why 1/2 were unfounded. I suspect in any State that’s typical. And I bet more complaints in OR were founded for the purpose of ongoing investigation for neglect than for abuse.
    This is terrible reporting imo. But it’s carrying out the Brown-Gesler PR agenda I bet at the expense of
    line level State employees. .

  30. Rose says:

    @TRuth. wouldn’t it be interesting if Herron is the person mcso, mcda, and other identify as
    Kyron’s “almost full time detective”. The rest of his workload devoted to Union Pres
    biz and to SAR management. If true, imo he clukd have rendered tactical, strategic advice to Desiree’s ears.
    Particularly “motivate the DA” to charge advice.

  31. erose says:

    Published today.

    http://www.pcvalaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2016-01-15-Seattle-Archdiocese-Discloses-Priests-with-Allegations-of-Sexual-Abuse.pdf

    Not catholic and I cannot imagine how much sicker this may be for them when talking about an instrument of faith.
    B

  32. Rose says:

    I would LOVE to know if the MCSO Union Prez and Mr SAR (Herron) is the sole mcso “detective” devoted to solving Kyron’s abduction? If so, imo Rod U is pandering to Dem colleagues, and Bio mom has been shanghaied by mcso sweet talk.

    Nope, it’s Wall. Herron’s only activity in the case was to call off the public allegations.

    O/T- did you watch? I am really interested in your feedback.
    B

  33. Rose says:

    I forgot bio-dad. If Union Prez and
    SAR-leader/defender is THAT sole detective, cited by the Mukt Cty DA,
    then imo bio-dad doesn’t give a hoot about solving his son’s abduction.

  34. Rose says:

    I am trying to get my nerve up to watch 10 episodes & get immersed from which imo
    there will be no return. I was hoping to get enough from yr analysis.
    But, if Ode a wise woman can do it, & benefit, I will steel myself and watch this weekend.

    I gather the doc makers say — he can’t be absolved, but the State didn’t cross the reas doubt
    threshhold.

    I am not so vein as to think I can provide a similar depiction Rose, though I certainly appreciate the vote of confidence. No, there is no return as to the grand slam social “effect”.

    One of the major issues and I hope thoughtful takeaways- at the end of the day I keep asking myself- why the advocacy for Avery and not Dassey?
    B

  35. Rose says:

    I thought Wall was a Supervisor.
    Head of Investigations.
    How then can he be “almost fulltime” now per DA?

    To my knowledge, split among other duties he is the active dude.
    B

  36. T. Ruth says:

    Well, dang it, I had post which just disappeared. That frustrates the heck out of me. Especially when, this website on-a-whole starts acting weird, which it is.

    Anywho, what I was going to say was, last I remembered it was reported that Ned Walls was in charge, but that was YEARS ago, and I have no idea who is in charge now, because they (MCSO/DA)never bother to tell us. So, with Rose’s new info, I’m guessin’ Herron.

    And ftr, I’m not saying he will or will not be good at his new position, I just wonder how he got there?

  37. T. Ruth says:

    So sorry, Blink that I can’t access the *streaming internet* like some can. I will get the Netflix vids when they come through on good old dvds.

    No need to apolly- you are not alone. I am gearing and timing my coverage because of it. It’s not a requirement, lol, just some interesting parallels in my view :)
    B

  38. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    January 15, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    I forgot bio-dad. If Union Prez and
    SAR-leader/defender is THAT sole detective, cited by the Mukt Cty DA,
    then imo bio-dad doesn’t give a hoot about solving his son’s abduction.

    *********

    Huh?

  39. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Blink clarified that the sole detective who works on Kyron almist fulltime, info the DA recently republished from an mcso press rekease so it’s still true that mcso-devoted asset is still on the job, is Ned Wall, not detective Mark Herron. It was my opinion if Kaine bought from mcso that Herron was the right “detective” to be fulltime investigator the last 3 years, then Kaine would be a negligent advocate for his son’s case management.
    Wall is a different kettle of fish, and maybe Kaine’s asvocacy landed the case with him. iirc he’s been the lead detective on Investigations for awhile.

  40. NelMel says:

    (link below)
    I will guess that Blink has seen this statement on the FB page “The Kyron Horman Case: Turning of the Tide” but if not, here I am quoting its most recent rant. I sense something changed about this page recently, because the entire tone of it sounds newly anti-TMH when once before it was trying to remain objective and it had not sounded like a HC page at all. Now it does. Anyway, from that page we now have:


    ****************URGENT NOTICE************
    I want to share a few things with you that are known facts to me. Kyron’s abduction is not a cold case. There is an ambitious and relentless detective actively working on it day and night along with an FBI agent and other hired agencies who specialize in researching and analyzing every online detail of those with possible involvement ,their connections as well as people who have been used as surrogate voices for perpetrators involved. The FBI’s CART team just received a new GUI-based program that’s called iLook. I assure you nothing online is anonymous. Things are happening behind the scenes.
    Nothing goes un-noticed not even the defamation of character of a Medford Detective by a person who never bothered to cross check her source. I have verifiable reason to believe this source has a serious problem telling the truth. The person who defamed and lied about this detective knows her source is a known liar. Do not think for one minute that won’t be dealt with. To be more specific, this Medford man never abused his authority to influence custody. The person who published this lie will soon be asked to prove it which could result in revealing her source.”

    https://www.facebook.com/The-Kyron-Horman-Case-Turning-of-The-Tide-1428477140699516/?fref=ts

    ooooh, boy. Someone’s very angry.

  41. Rose says:

    lawsie me, as my aunts once said.
    I take back any opinion supportive of that mcda-endorsed primary detective Walls:

    “Multnomah County sheriff’s Lt. Ned Walls, who oversees the investigators handling the case, said Tuesday, “We have some new leads, yes, and we have furtherance of old leads.”
    “The case is still progressing, still evolving,” Walls said.”
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html

    It was apparently Walls in charge of the investigation who was behind the 2012 Sheriff avowals of new leads that delayed Desiree’s case. (and likely the “new leads” justifying a new GJ).

    So how comfortable is Kaine with this one-man son-finder show?

    Record scratch.

    More to follow.
    B

  42. T. Ruth says:

    If Herron has been promoted to detective, then isn’t Ned Walls Heron’s boss now?

  43. T. Ruth says:

    Totally off-topic, but I had never seen this set of documents before on the ousting of former MCSO Sheriff Guisto, it is interesting to see how many officers names are familiar that were working under him then (back in 2007/8)and were interviewed and are still working for MCSO now under Sheriff Staton. Lonnnnnnng read, but I found this interesting:

    WALKER said GIUSTO then began to explain how she an
    d he could work
    together.
    992
    Referring to her notes, WALKER said, “Bernie also
    told me that he
    could have someone arrested based on suspicions, et
    cetera, and then release them.
    And that while they may be innocent, it would likel
    y leave doubt in the public’s
    mind.” WALKER went on to explain, “And my note to
    myself was, ‘I saw this as a
    very subtle threat.’” WALKER said GIUSTO brought t
    his up “out of the blue.”
    WALKER said that she viewed GIUSTO’s comment as a t
    hreat and contacted law
    enforcement after her meeting with GIUSTO, asking f
    or protection.
    9

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2008/01/FINAL%20GIUSTO%20Investigative%20Report%20%231%2001%2016%2008.pdf

    Apologies if someone has already referenced this document here before. How can there be so much corruption in government? Money I guess. My goodness.

  44. T. Ruth says:

    Strong winds, thunderstorms heavy rains warning came across TV from Eugene North. Be careful up there all.

  45. Rose says:

    Well, having read that interview more than once, TRuth, I missed the pithy arrest “practical policy & purpose” nugget
    you identified. “Guisto-culture” lives on in MSCO, imo top down. Guess that’s the culture Kaine knew his bread was buttered on in 2010. Who alerted him…Rackner?

  46. Rose says:

    ” T. Ruth says:
    January 16, 2016 at 2:07 pm
    If Herron has been promoted to detective, then isn’t Ned Walls Heron’s boss”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments

    makes sense, wouldn’t do to have a Union Pres be mere River Patrol.
    Reminds me of Tony’s role as “detective.”

    Is Herron still the RA of MCSO SAR?
    B

  47. Rose says:

    Does Underhill have such a desperate need for reelection
    that he will not cross or call on the carpet
    Staton and his deputies in this case?
    Does he really need MCSO Union endorsement?

    I recently encountered a MC DA. Not going to discuss the circumstances except to say it was in a ” professional forum” discussing specifics about how DA’s interact with (in this case the discussion referred to MC LE) cases brought to them to present to a GJ, with their always being the possibility that a DA can file first and seek an indictment later as well. For privacy reasons I won’t speak verbatim or quote, just the summary version..

    There is a very regular and constant strain between LE and the DA wrt to what they will and will not take to a GJ and rumors like MCSO is in bed with the DA or Ada’s is patently false. It is frequently a subject of discord because it is often tied to case clearance rates, promotional or professional performance reviews and in particular where there has been even the appearance of LE error ( don’t take my words for it, iirc Rees or Underhill refers to this potential in Bobby O’donell). I specifically asked this question- are you aware of any case in your career that empanelled a second grand jury following a no true bill of the first, years later, and regularly suspended the second at the request of LE?

    Response: Same suspect, you mean? No, I’m not. That would be tantamount to handing over the transcripts and record of the first to whoever gets indicted in the second-if someone were indicted. To my knowledge and I could be wrong as I said I have never seen it, but I believe anything presented to the first must be new and if it is a new interpretation or anything included at the first the GJ must be told that in its consideration so I am not really what the point would be. I don’t go to grand juries to test a case or like a mock trial- that is a misuse of the system. I

    B

  48. Rose says:

    On my experience and theory that ones’ kids in a private school dictate much professional and social behavior, I formed a testable hypothesis one or more of this DA’s kids were in a local private school which plays some professional-social nexus role to cover up or to shut up (nontransparency). So, without looking at kids, I merely typed the professionals’ names and the words “school donor”. Motherlode.

    https://www.nwacademy.org/about-us/board-of-trustees/

    What a bonus, the Board list identifies a place of employment (how declassé)

    of note:
    Board Chair Carr (Stoel)
    calls in a favor wrt PPS?
    1. possibly from Board member Meeker (stop the coverage)
    and,
    2. from (oops) — note the Board secretary…

    http://www.stoel.com/portland
    PPS school board…

    I will say this, there is nothing more controlling of parent private school behavior in an elite school than interpersonal social relationships, the mantra Do Not Make Waves, and the need to suck up big time to the generally lovely, likeable, successful, well-adjusted Board members who can throw legal business, or in the case of a newspaper, ads, your way. But most of all to benefit yr kids socially and academically, to ensure, because you are connected, your kid gets the “right” teachers each year. Crass but true.

  49. Rose says:

    Desiree and her trailer minions are out of their socio-professional element wrt this DA and his Associates.
    She needs to advance the investigation the old-fashioned way thru proper Sheriff, State and FBI channels wrt case mgmt

  50. Rose says:

    btw the school board is way too big to function well,
    therefore imo it’s a social grouping. just my opinion.

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