Hannah Graham Body Located: Sources Say Tip Led To Her Recovery
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erose says: October 26, 2014 at 9:27 am
Among your list of defendants in the Poole drug case is ‘Jesse Morgan Hicks’ who could be a cousin or uncle of Jesse Matthew and his grandmother, Christine Hicks Carr.
Is he one of the taxi drivers for Access Cabs?
I’m beginning to wonder if some cab drivers served as ‘refreshment concierges’ for the partying Country set who kept their favorite cabbie’s cards for rides for their evenings of festive entertainment. Cabs seem to serve as de facto limos for people who wanted to party freely without worrying about getting DUIs. The ‘refreshments’ might be anything from wine/cheese baskets from the favorite shops to whisky, cold beer to pot to cocaine available in the cab when the prestigious and moneyed customers began their ride into town.
I’ve also wondered about the possibility even darker sets of people in the Charlottesville area, especially after researching this link provided by an earlier commenter: http://66.199.228.237/boundary/hematomania/The_Nature_and_dynamics_of_sexual_homicide.pdf
Wondered about the possibility that some of the perpetrators and even those connected to high and influential sectors, could be part of a collaborative of trafficking, sadism, torture, etc. and some of the victims could have…been subjected so such as that. There are remote backwoods places, old defunct campgrounds that could serve as retreats for sick individuals to come (driven in limos) to engage in whatever proclivity tickles their diseased psyches.
Researching the term, I was appalled to read that some people are trying to mainstream various activities associated with ‘hematomania’ (that I call blood lust) as an almost innocent, harmless proclivity.
Leviticus and Acts 15 are very clear about the dangers of this kind of activity on the human psyche. Our minds are fragile and some acts and thoughts and experiences damage human mental balance and stability.
Science has shown that our brains are continually changed chemically, structurally and functionally, positively and negatively, by our thoughts, beliefs, actions and interpersonal interactions, what we ingest (food, drink, drugs) and that the changes take place cumulatively and interactively, throughout our lifetimes.
What we do, believe, think, meditate on, who we encounter, hang with, changes us in ways we were not aware a decade ago.
Not sure if this is just a distraction, but the person who was actually charged with the rape mentioned by AFG and Eloise (and plead guilty) was named, in the article linked to in their posts, as John Henry Agee (link 1). A quick Google search has turned up court documents indicating that Agee was found guilty of assaulting an officer in an incident on Oct. 27, 2000 (link 2).
Interestingly, in another article about Agee, it mentions that Chris Matthew was picked up by police and IDed by the victim as her assailant. Interesting thing about this is that there is no “s” on “Matthew” in this article (link 3). Which is it? Reminds me of how the “s” appeared, disappeared, and reappeared on Jesse Matthew’s name over the years and throughout various documents.
I wonder if Chris’s experience with being wrongly accused of rape helped Jesse slide by– at least in his family’s eyes. Were accusations or behaviors brushed off as just “another false accusation”?
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http://justicedenied.org/issue/issue_31/malaysia_jd31.pdf
http://law.justia.com/cases/virginia/court-of-appeals-published/2003/1710012.html
http://www.c-ville.com/UVA_rapist_gets_40_years/#.VFE4XYvF8hw
Also, it might be worth noting that John Henry Agee was accused of– and pled guilty to– charges of rape and **object sexual penetration**. Now who does that remind you of?
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2006/10/suspect-in-rape-case-pleads-guilty
I know you politely said enough Blink, but then there is this for all of the “attire matters” crowd.
This video has went viral, and spurned some lawsuits…I am assuming by some of the creeps that appear in it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A
Not to get too far off the current topic at hand, but I have a few comments.
1) The NCAA makes almost all of its revenue off of men’s basketball (UNC’s premiere sport) The NCAA owns all the rights to Men’s March Madness, which is incredibly profitable. The NCAA is out of the loop with football revenue. Academic standards are quite problematic. Grade inflation is rampant throughout our educational system. Top students are getting 5.5 or 6 on a scale of 4, so a 4.0 is not particularly scholarly at many schools, and a NCAA minimum 2.0 may be nearly illiterate.
In the past, when trying to increase academic standards, the NCAA has been accused of “racism” and is quite sensitive to this. Currently there are all kinds of exceptions to academic standards offered to larger schools. Unfortunately, cheating is rampant in big time programs, although it is usually not as obvious as at UNC. I suspect that at Liberty (which is not a “big time” program), athletes are routinely steered to easy courses. Liberty did get into academic problems with the NCAA in 2004 in basketball, but football has not been in trouble.
2) Concerning JM’s family. As African Americans, they may have differing viewpoints concerning LE. Like most upper middle class white people, I was taught that the “policeman is your friend”. I generally assume that LE has a good reason for arresting people. JM’s family may not share these values. They may feel that LE unfairly targets black men, and that the police may be a young black man’s enemy. They may feel that as a large AA male, LE has unfairly targeted JM. I don’t know the ethnicity of his alleged college victims, but if they are both white, the family may feel he was racially targeted. By the way, until recently, a majority of African Americans believed that OJ was framed. JM’s family may have similar thoughts in this case.
Did a little more research and found that Chris Matthew’s DNA didn’t match the rape, but another man was found to be a match:
http://www.c-ville.com/UVA_rapist_gets_40_years/#.VFDE2Hl0ycx
Speaking of DNA and the family of Jesse Matthew – evidently not one of them (and he has a very large family and many near relatives) responded and gave DNA samples when law enforcement asked the black community to give samples after the connection between the DNA in the Harrington case and the Fairfax rape was discovered.
What does that say about any niggling suspicions, fears and forebodings of the family concerning Jesse and his crimes?
imo he intentionally killed the 2 victims, and attempted to do so
in Fairfax, out of self-interest, having seen theconsequences twice
of leaving someone able to identify him. I suppose we’ll have to await post
sentencing interviews with an FBI profiler if he will grant them.
You may be right- but JLM had every, and I do mean E V E R Y reason to believe that he was seen with both homicide victims- and in Morgan’s case, anticipated an interview at a minimum. I am just suggesting that his continuum may be at the design phase. Specifically- he knew in 2010 that his DNA was on record, in 2 rape, assault and 1 rape/homicide at a minimum. He made zero effort to hide from any traceable CCTV. Made no attempt to hide his image or “costume” his ID after a night full of drinking and offending people who he skeeved out. This increased risk scenario is not one of someone that learned a lesson from skooching under the fence, imo.
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blinks comment regarding his friends ,. —– ually when someone like this is caught- the “friends” and co-workers are crawling out of the woodwork for their 15 minutes saying plenty and the only statements I have seen are those that felt he was kind, gentle, funny, compassionate and they still cannot believe these charges.this is what I meant in my comment about morgan and hannahs friends .I wasn’t trying to bring up an old wound.but to say that his were not just surprised ,as is common when a serial is i’d,but they were in denial ,and imo. their context was ‘no’ couldn’t be lj ,wrong,investigators are wrong. they came to his defense, on camera,early on.i wonder how they feel now.it almost like strangefire southern hospitality.or overcompensation on the poloitical correctness. society didn’t fail him,they bent over backwards for him.
The perpetrator of the lawstudent rape reads a lot like the
Fairfax MO.
http://www.c-ville.com/UVA_rapist_gets_40_years/#.VFGBLdm9Kc0
So maybe his Court appointed attorney might explore retesting against
jlm’s dna.
@Blink. & suggests he’s a disorganized type?
I’m glad you included the word “drugged” Blink in your response to Susan (“He raped and drugged and beat who he could when he could…”) The thought that Hannah might have been drugged has been niggling in my mind.
Between 12:45 am and 1:08 am we catch glimpses of Hannah who while lost, is still walking purposefully, even running at one point. In other words: She’s able to hold herself up.
But by 1:40 am, just 30 minutes later, she could barely walk without support. Tempo Restaurant owner Brice Cunningham recounts that an employee watched them walk off with Matthew’s arm around her. He said that his staff told police Graham could barely walk without support when she left with Matthew. (source link below). The door monitor remembers Hannah looking “really drunk.”
It’s hard to believe that even chugging one alcoholic drink would cause such an immediate disablement. It seems more likely that she ingested something far stronger than alcohol. And if she did, was LJM carrying this substance around in his pocket waiting for an opportune victim? Or did it come from behind the bar (just positing)?
Could evidence of a date rape drug be the basis for the “intent to defile” charge?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/restaurant-staff-missing-u-va-student-could-barely-walk/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/18/hannah-graham-timeline/17514771/
I am beginning to think that JM behaved like a slightly retarded individual in his everyday persona. He was able to disarm people to the point that they gave him a pass because he appeared to be like a child in a adult body.
His family also had some history of not being good honest citizens. That is another reason that he may have not been held to a higher standard of behavior. Misplaced altruism by the public in such a way that LE and the public gave him a pass for social behavior that should have not been tolerated. Young women who allowed him to put his hands on them and not get upset. All of that type of behavior leads to a person that will try things to see just how far it can go. At some point, he goes over the line and physically assaults sometimes to the point of death if something doesn’t stop him.
I am hoping that because of the damage he has done recently, that LE of several agencies will go back and force Liberty University to give up the records they have on him. The assault and rape at Liberty U. may not have been his first. It could have happened several times and they finally got enough of him. After all, he could not pass the academic requirement if he was reading at perhaps third grade level and the school was afraid he might get them in big trouble with the NCAA.
We have posted accounts of his repeated speeding violations that should have ended his driving for a long time. Certainly should have prevented the issuing of a commercial driving license.
I would say that LE should begin their investigation of JM’s activities at age 16 and carefully move forward year by year. This one is going to be an eye opener that should teach everyone some important things to be aware of.
A possible explanation for Hannah’s behavior and what appears to be risk taking? As far as we know Hannah was not in touch with anyone she knew after she last saw her friends. The last text that was sent appeared suspicious.
What is dissociative fugue?
People with dissociative fugue temporarily lose their sense of personal identity and impulsively wander or travel away from their homes or places of work. People with dissociative fugue often become confused about who they are and might even create new identities. Outwardly, people with this disorder show no signs of illness, such as a strange appearance or odd behavior.
What causes dissociative fugue?
Dissociative fugue has been linked to severe stress, which might be the result of traumatic events—such as war, abuse, accidents, disasters or extreme violence—that the person has experienced or witnessed. The use or abuse of alcohol and certain drugs also can cause fugue-like states, such as alcohol-induced “blackouts.”
OMG please do not let me think you are a fugue pumper. It has no relevance in this case, and very little credit in either the psych or LE community.
Honestly, in investigative circles that theory is the one that cracks everyone up.
B
According to Longo:
And all of you know that on Friday night, Hannah left her apartment. She had dinner with friends. She went to a few other places. She socialized and then she left. And her world begins to get turned around at that point, I think
Blink, I’ve held back from commenting on the ‘object’ possibly used in the 3 cases we have linked. I think that the Taxi days would have required an excellent flashlight. A 2 or 3-cell Maglight, black, or any other similar item (a Stinger, or tactical light) could be used also for the beating and breaking of bones. They’re very heavy and sturdy. One could last you a lifetime–or not.
A billy club would be suspicious and hard to hide on ones person, but this goes again to his “hiding in plain sight,” to know that aflashlight is a necessary item most people carry on the road.
This offender could break bones without any instrument, I promise you. Thinking there needs to be a weapon is not prudent, imo. My guess, however, is he knows his way around a stun gun, or other electric based method of disabling a person.
B
Very interesting article on evaluations. [second link]
Insanity Bid? Experts See Bleak Options for Matthew
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…Jeffrey Fracher, a clinical and forensic psychologist…
“The bar for being found not guilty by reason of insanity is a very high bar in Virginia.”
http://wvtf.org/post/insanity-bid-experts-see-bleak-options-matthew
He’s the courts’ go-to psychologist
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Fracher, an Albemarle County-based forensic psychologist, is the go-to person for a variety of competency, sanity and sex offender evaluations. He is one of about 15 forensic psychologists in Virginia and does more than 250 evaluations a year.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/he-s-the-courts-go-to-psychologist/article_8c9d7011-a5ef-5841-92c9-d9ff49b43aaa.html
I missed the first sentence in this news article when it was posted before.
—–Six members of SWAT team entered Gooch which is a dorm at UVA, and arrested two of the four. Then the suitemates were offered “counseling.”——-
http://tech.mit.edu/V118/N50/virginia.10.1.50n.html
Blink said: “Made no attempt to hide his image or “costume” his ID after a night full of drinking and offending people who he skeeved out. This increased risk scenario is not one of someone that learned a lesson from skooching under the fence, imo.”
You put into words what has been baffling me. He even wore white shorts while out and about walking in front of those cameras. He would have a hard time blending in anyway because of his size, but didn’t even try to costume himself like you stated. The thought of D.I.D. entered my mind, perhaps a male “Sybil”, but that would be too neat.
Regarding the “George Carr” alias of JLM:
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/george-carr
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/monticello-neighborhood
George Carr was associated with TJ and owned an estate called Colle near (adjacent to) Monticello.
Does anyone know if this Colle Farm is still intact, or if it was incorporated in or subsumed by any of the land in question such as AF, Shack Mountain, the Ivy Creek Preserve, or the Rivanna Reservoir.
“It is also highly possible this type of offender can have cognitive disabilities that may allow him to be perceived as of lower learning capability or intelligence”
What you say is certainly true, but if Matthews had such a condition, yet worked in a hospital in the position he did, he had to have passed some fairly difficult courses. In anatomy especially. How can someone with cognitive disabilities manage such a thing?
Nope, he has no certifications. No license. He is what I believe used to be referred to as an orderly, but his soul job is to wheel a patient into the OR.
B
You may be right- but JLM had every, and I do mean E V E R Y reason to believe that he was seen with both homicide victims- and in Morgan’s case, anticipated an interview at a minimum. I am just suggesting that his continuum may be at the design phase. Specifically- he knew in 2010 that his DNA was on record, in 2 rape, assault and 1 rape/homicide at a minimum. He made zero effort to hide from any traceable CCTV. Made no attempt to hide his image or “costume” his ID after a night full of drinking and offending people who he skeeved out. This increased risk scenario is not one of someone that learned a lesson from skooching under the fence, imo.
B
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Then oddly enough he camps on a beach near Galvaston and enjoys some quiet time before being arrested. Makes little effort to try and hide or leave the country and does not choose to take his life or even disguise himself.
He just waited and accepted his fate.
Strange cat, even for a serial predator.
Ah, that explains it. Was under the impression he worked monitoring the patients before and after they left the O.R. Boy did I get that one wrong! There’s so much information and misinformation out there, hard to tell where I came up with that one
Becky says:
October 30, 2014 at 9:15 am
“You put into words what has been baffling me. He even wore white shorts while out and about walking in front of those cameras. He would have a hard time blending in anyway because of his size, but didn’t even try to costume himself like you stated.”
Reading all those posts in this topic of Matthews being so visual, the phrase “hiding in plain sight” comes to mind. Maybe the fact he never did try to act as if he was hiding from anyone or anything threw many folks off? Who knows? Being so blatantly forward….one (at least) think of a creep sneaking around in a back alley where serial killers or rapists are concerned. Not openly flirting in front of entire crowds.
Only other serial killer I can think of that was always in the public eye was BTK killer. Heck…even a security guard of sorts?
As another poster mentioned I hope some behavioral specialist does a report on him/his type. Would be very, interesting.
….I mean “one would think ( at least I would) of a creep sneaking around…not in public view constantly. Especially around the same people all the time.
@susan
I see the “Colle Branch” on this map.
http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/highland/ashlawn1a.html
Highland was originally part of a large estate in Albemarle County called “Blenheim” and owned by Champe Carter and Maria Carter, his wife. The parcel comprising Highland was conveyed from the Carters to Monroe in a 1793 deed of purchase for 1,000 pounds purchase price. Highland was bounded on the north by Thomas Jefferson’s Monticello plantation and Philip Mazzei’s plantation called Colle, located along the Colle Branch.
http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/highland/ashlawn1.html
Formerbarista
JM was also on the wrestling team in high school and perhaps in college. He knew holds that could, if carried too far, damage muscle,tendon and break bones. It is possible that he used a “sleep” hold on some of his victims. A stun gun would certainly be a quick way to disable and then restraint would be easy.
A case in point is the recent bout in the MMA sport where a gender changed male was allowed to fight one of the top female fighters. In less than three minutes, the female received so much damage to her head that she was taken to the hospital where it took seven staples to hold the broken facial bones in place. When she was able to take an interview she said that she never felt so overpowered in her life.
This was a strong woman that knew how to fight and she didn’t stand a chance with the “he-she”. These bouts are in weight classes so that weight is not a primary factor. The bout should have never been allowed.
Hannah was not a small woman at 5′-10″ or 11″. At 6′-2″ and 272 lbs. there is no woman that would stand a chance of getting away from JM by herself. In the Fairfax case, he was startled by a man and ran away.
I thought these two articles were relevant reading to our current case.
http://www.13newsnow.com/story/news/local/13news-now-investigates/2014/10/30/vwc-lawsuit-response/18183395/
~snip~
In the lawsuit, Jane Doe accused the school of not doing enough to prevent her rape and failing to appropriately respond when she reported the rape to school staff.
http://www.13newsnow.com/story/news/local/13news-now-investigates/2014/10/07/vwc-rape-lawsuit/16851495/
~snip~
Virginia Wesleyan administrators held a Title IX hearing where the student’s claims were substantiated. Initially, documents show, the student who was found to have committed the rape was expelled from the school. But a letter attached to the lawsuit shows the school reversed course months later and allowed the student to withdraw so that he could enroll in another school.
B:
Re-
Formerbarista says:
October 30, 2014 at 2:23 am
Blink, I’ve held back from commenting on the ‘object’ possibly used in the 3 cases we have linked.
I think they are referencing the ‘object’ inferred in the FF indictment.
Susan-
The only thing I could find on Colle is this-
Portion of Green Peyton Map of 1875showing Monticello, Milton and Colle Areas
http://albemarlehistory.org//index.php/magazine pick the pdf magazine link
pg 424/1831, has like 7 entries, presumably microfiche, but I copied it and got to this page and maybe this will give you more to go on.
http://www.monticello.org/library/exhibits/lucymarks/lucymarks/homes/neighboringhomes.html
Becky says:
October 30, 2014 at 9:15 am
Blink said: “Made no attempt to hide his image or “costume” his ID after a night full of drinking and offending people who he skeeved out. This increased risk scenario is not one of someone that learned a lesson from skooching under the fence, imo.”
Becky says, You put into words what has been baffling me. He even wore white shorts while out and about walking in front of those cameras. He would have a hard time blending in anyway because of his size, but didn’t even try to costume himself like you stated. The thought of D.I.D. entered my mind, perhaps a male “Sybil”, but that would be too neat.
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You do know that “Sybil’s” so called “alters” were basically conjured up by her psychiatrist.
Dr. Fracher, on Coy Barefoot’s site, speaks of the remarkable single-mindedness of the serial offender when it comes to pursuing his victim, and loosely uses JLM’s actions on the mall that night as an example. This intense single-mindedness explains why Ted Bundy used his own name and his tan VW bug at Lake Sammamish State Park the day he abducted one woman, secured her, then came back to the very crowded park to abduct another woman. There were so many witnesses but that didn’t deter old Ted.
@Susan, Maybe we can trace what happened to Colle through either Martini or Plumard names.
Mazzei eventually gave Colle to his wife’s daughter (Mazzei’s stepdaughter) Maria Margherita Martini, who married Justin Pierre Plumard, Comte De Rieux in Paris in 1780 and settled at Colle in 1783.
http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/philip-mazzei
@susan
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On October 14, 1780 Mazzei’s step-daughter . . . married Justin Pierre Plumard de Riex in Paris…
“Some years before [1796], the Derieux had moved from Colle to Ash Lawn, and in early in the spring of 1796 Colle was sold.” (Garlick, Jr., pp.133) Thomas Jefferson handled the sale of Colle for Mazzei, as well as his house and lots in Richmond.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HUFFAKER/2001-07/0995752550
History of Colle (Italian word for hill) aka Jefferson Vineyards
1939
Following their close friends, Major General “Pa” Watson and Mrs. Watson, who created a home in nearby Kenwood, Shirley and Stanley Woodward Sr. purchase Colle.
Late 1960′s
To prevent development at an important historic corridor between Monticello and Ash Lawn Highland, an additional 400 acres of land, adjacent to Colle, are purchased. Shortly after, the majority of the Woodward estate is put under conservation easement. The easement, through the Virginia Outdoors Foundation, is the first of its kind in Albemarle County. Today, guests can enjoy picturesque views thanks in part to Shirley and Stanley Woodward Sr.’s efforts to preserve the land.
1986
A new winery building is designed and completed by respected Italian Professor Mario di Valmarana, who followed an Italian Palladian architectural style. Palladian architecture is visible at Monticello and the University Of Virginia’s Rotunda building. The wine business is launched and named Simeon Vineyards, after the land it sits upon.
2013
Twenty years later, a third generation of Woodwards begin caring for the land and the wine business. Alexa and Attila Woodward lead the next generation while continuing to support the creation of exceptional wines. A new music concert series is launched and numerous enhancements to the facilities are implemented. With the support of other family members, Alexa and Attila preserve and improve this unique property, while retaining its rustic character.
http://jeffersonvineyards.com/history/
@susan, What I glean here is Colle is now Jefferson Vineyards. I’d post google map location, but that rarely works for a link.
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He was involved in the establishment of Simeon Vineyards (now called Jefferson Vineyards) in 1981 and, in 1999…
http://www.virginialiving.com/food-drink/a-vintners-vintner/
Google mapping the winery, Red Hill and Old Lynchburg one notable is everything is south of the Jefferson Hwy.
This is disgusting
http://wendymurphylaw.com/AnatomyofaRapeCase.pdf
I should have added the above came from>
http://www.wendymurphylaw.com/category/campus-sexual-assault/
“On Friday, Judge Dennis J. Smith ruled Matthew would be represented by a public defender, and appointed attorney Jim Camblos as co-counsel. Camblos and public defender Todd Petit were fighting for the right to represent Matthew. Smith said he wanted two attorneys to help accommodate a speedy trial.
Smith said he wants to have the trial soon. He set motions day for two weeks.
Additionally, Smith would not hear a motion for evaluation of insanity for Jesse Matthew.
The victim in the 2005 sexual assault no longer lives in the country but we’re told that she will be at the trial to testify against Matthew.
Forensic evidence links Jesse Matthew to the 2009 disappearance of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington in Charlottesville, which had previously been linked to the Fairfax sexual assault, officials said. The death penalty is not available on the Fairfax charges because the victim is still alive.
An attempted murder conviction in Fairfax would increase the likelihood that Matthew might get the death penalty in Charlottesville, if he’s charged with a capital offense.”
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/2014/10/31/jesse-matthew-hannah-graham-suspect-court-sex-assault-fairfax-co/18230807/
Translation, and what I have been very confused and very vocal about from the beginning- You cannot hire a private attorney and expect the taxpayers to pay for it. Camblos is now appointed without the benefit of the State of VA picking up the tab. If nobody said “be careful what you wish for” to Mr. Camblos- they should have. I don’t know if Camblos was on a pro bono rotation list, but I suspect given his comments about knowing the family for a long time, he was not. Perhaps this is the outcome of someone finally figuring this out.
B
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hannah-graham-suspect-enters-no-plea-2005-abduction-sex-assault-n238236
He enters no plea in the Fairfax case. He doesn’t seem to want co-counsel.
“At Friday’s hearing, the judge took no action on Camblos’ request for a psychiatric evaluation, deferring it until a later date.
Most of Friday’s hearing, in which Matthew appeared via video hookup from the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail, concerned who would represent Matthew. The judge appointed both the Fairfax County public defender and Camblos to represent Matthew as co-counsel, over the objections of Camblos and Fairfax County Commonwealth’s Attorney Ray Morrogh.
Matthew requested that Camblos, who is representing Matthew in the Graham case, be appointed to handle the Fairfax case as well.
“I would prefer Mr. Camblos to be my attorney, if possible. I’ve built a relationship with him,” Matthew said, with Camblos at his side at the Charlottesville-area jail.
Camblos objected to the idea of serving as co-counsel with the Fairfax public defenders, saying it would amount to “two chiefs, not enough Indians.” Morrogh objected on the basis that it would be a waste of taxpayers’ money to have both appointed.
But the judge, Dennis Smith, said the two ought to be able to work together, and bringing both onto the case should ensure that the trial is not delayed. He said the law requires the public defender be appointed except in unusual circumstances.
There was clearly some tension between Camblos and the public defender’s office — after both were appointed, Camblos told the judge Chief Public Defender Todd Petit had offered to allow Camblos to serve as lead counsel in the event both were appointed. Petit told the judge he had indeed made such an offer, but Camblos had rejected it and Petit now wanted his deputy, Dawn Butorac, to serve as lead counsel. The judge said he would leave the two of them to decide who would be lead.
Butorac declined comment after Friday’s hearing.
Another hearing was set for Nov. 14 to set a trial date.
After Friday’s hearing, Morrogh said he will continue to consult with prosecutors in the Charlottesville area to determine which case should go to trial first, and that he is prepared to go first or last. He said that, ideally, he’d like the trial to be able to go forward within six months.
He said the victim in the 2005 assault is no longer in the country, but is cooperating with investigators and will be available to testify at trial.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/UVa-abduction-suspect-in-court-on-separate-case-5860199.php
I believe that Judge Smith did not appoint Camblos as Matthew’s sole attorney to prevent Camblos from being able to delay motions and the trial in Fairfax — by claiming he has to deal with matters in the Charlottesville cases. This way he can keep Camblos in the case but the Court maintains control over its calendar. If Camblos is not available, his co-counsel can handle the matter.
Also, Matthew was not required to, and did not, enter a plea today because no attorney had been previously appointed.
In case anyone is interested, here is a video of the court hearing:
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/2014/10/31/jesse-matthew-hannah-graham-suspect-court-sex-assault-fairfax-co/18230807/
Thanks, Eloise. I am trying to figure out if JLM thinks he is related to the George Carr who owned Colle, and if the issue of the “promise land” goes back to that connection as well as to the Riverview Farm connection which became Ivy Creek Preserve.
I need to make a correction above to my post about that article where I mentioned “Gooch Dorm”, it was mentioned as Dillard House in the article and I believe the article meant “Dillard Dorm”, not Dillard House at UVA was where two of the murder suspects were extracted from in that article. The Carr girl cousin of JLM and the other dude.
Am I the only one that thinks it is bizarre to have murder suspects hiding in a UVa dorm with other students, and extracted by the swat team in front of suitemates? The way this was presented in the article, if one does not know what “Dillard” is, then one will miss that whole concept.
Butorac on 2014 list
http://www.dimuro.com/ben-dimuro-named-one-of-the-2014-leaders-in-the-law-by-virginia-lawyers-media/
She is exceptionally experienced in homicides & in NGRI defenses, not that the latter does much good in VA.
Jesse should fall to his knees & plead she is Lead Counsel. I admit curiousity as to her race.
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Wise Judge. Fed PD to ensure competent assistance of Counsel as to litigation resources. Yet allowed Jesse to be co-repped by his own choice. Aren’t going to be appealable issues in Fairfax imo.
Also wise to tell the 2 Offices to sort out lead themselves. If he’d appointed PD as Lead, Camblos would have been abke to say to Jesse, Sorry Son, but I did my best and the Judge has put them in charge. He’d gave gotten Jesse’s agreement to withdraw. Petsonally, I think that was his gambit when he unrealistically insisted he be Lead. And I think the DA insisted he Lead as well for that reason (so as not to pile on to Camblos’ excuse to withdraw).
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Imo it would be reasonable to believe that Camblos is afraid of JLM, & perhaps some elements of his family, & agreed to repr in Fairfax for that reason. He will be glad to get out of it on the grounds of internal conflict with the PD, even if that angle screwsJLM’s relationship with the PD.
asking for a psych imo says I dunnit.
ngri in VA won’t fly unless maybe there’s an independent
history of command hallucinations.
He ought to just plead
in all cases for lwop if offered.
what word defines JLM for me is “cockiness.”
(synonyms = insolence, bravado)
combine that with IQ, and
one has where he & his vics are today.
Eloise
Your link to the Wendy Murphy site is interesting. Wendy is well known for her work regarding assaults of females on college campuses. The Department of Health and Human services should have zero input to a criminal act such as assaults and rape. This is just more meddling by the FEDs into the affairs of the states and local communities. It also gives the schools an avenue of obstruction that they should never have.
The Title IX legislation is just another power grab by the Federal Government and has caused much damage to sports and other programs of colleges and Universities. This puts the DOJ in the mix and is one of the prime reasons it takes so long for an investigation to find the facts and then act in a meaningful way. This adds to the confusion when an actual crime has been committed.
When schools accept Federal monies for programs,they always have to give up control of something and most times several somethings rather than one. It is one of the insidious ways that the Federal Government slowly but surely extends its control of the people and the states.
Thanks Eloise, Rose and eRose for the maps and history. What I am attempting to figure out is exactly which “promise land” JLM may have a grudge over or both, the Former Slave Carr’s Riverview, next to the Reservoir, or the TJ associate George Carr’s Colle Farm which is now a winery. It would be very informative to find out if the former freed slave Carr is somehow related to George Carr.
Also if the two lands are somehow co-joined somewhere in history.
I’m also interested in the “new forensic link” between these two cases, Morgan and FF, and wonder if this relates to the “object” whatever that may be.
No idea why such interest in mathews va geneology….completely lost…colle ashlawn anchorage…if he and his family are old virginians….they were slaves…snd not too long ago…this rapist doesnt strike me as bright enough to know or care about any of this FFV stuff(first family of virginia)…..way too complex for this creep…besides…what about all the other women? i must be missing something…his agenda is homicidal sex.period. he did not need a reason…just kicks
Neal Augenstein @AugensteinWTOP · 6h6 hours ago
Contrary to reports, #JesseMatthew’s lawyer hasn’t filed motion for evaluation yet. He gave to prosecutor, not clerk, which angered judge.
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