Hannah Graham Body Located: Sources Say Tip Led To Her Recovery
Breaking News: The body of Hannah Elizabeth Graham has been recovered.
Press Conference involving multiple agencies to be held momentarily.
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In regards to several other posters comments about LE and the Universities working together, I think absolutely that needs to happen but I also feel very strongly that not just Charlottesville “bars, clubs, pubs” but all bars, clubs and pubs in any city, town, whatever, need to make a more conscience effort to train their bouncers, door attendees, what have you, to be better aware of female or male patrons in need of assistance. I think of Morgan not being allowed to re-enter JPJ and then Hannah walking up to the door person at the McGrady’s and though he said he asked her if she was ok, I wonder if he also advised her she was not of age and could not enter. While watching the video they showed at the time I was screaming to him, LOOK AROUND!! There is no one around, it’s late at night and from all reports, Hannah was impaired! I understand a door person/Bouncer can’t be held accountable or responsible for every single male or female who walks into their establishment, but with better training and policies, especially so close to college campuses, something could be done to prevent so many tragedies, not short of drunk driving, but also could prevent someone else having to endure the fate of these young girls and their families. Why not bring her inside, sit her down and give her a soda, call a “buddy” to take her home? Why not have her sit down at the door and have a few bottles of water until she sobered up and then help her call a cab, or again a buddy? It just seems so easy, and I know, with ABC regulations and what not, even harder to accomplish. It just seems like such an easy solution and simply the right thing to do! I witnessed a similar “right thing to do” at my daughter’s 21 birthday party, thrown by her best friends at a local bar. We more “seasoned” folks stayed mostly out on the patio while the birthday girl and her group of friends danced the night away inside. Towards the end of the night, we watched one of the bouncers walk out with a very impaired young lady. He sat her down at one of the patio tables and motioned for another bouncer who quickly brought her a bottle of water. Bouncer 1, who was standing by the table of this young lady asked her who she was there with and asked for the name of someone in her group. He passed the information on to Bouncer 2 who went back inside, only to appear a bit later with the young ladies friend. We “seasoned” and very aware parents stood and watched while Bouncer 1, in the nicest way possible explained to both of them that their night was over, he asked if they had a driver and if there were more people in their group. He continued to stand at the table of this young lady while her friend went in to get the rest of their group. He then summonsed a cab from the parking lot, even happily, when asked, took a few pictures (I suppose these are called “selfies” now) with the girls, put them in the cab and sent them home to safety. We quickly applauded him for his actions and he explained it was the bars “unspoken” policy. He said they see it all the time and often times it doesn’t go that well, inebriated folks aren’t always so agreeable but it never hurts to try. Perhaps C-Ville’s local bars and pubs could institute this unspoken policy and give it a whirl for a bit… it never hurts to try.
His first known victim was reportedly;assaulted outside the arena, was hospitalized,fairfaxv was ambushed,beaten also outdoors (near a field, (but idn’tk , p w/object, outdoors, in a field that close to peoples houses, with such a short working time period against getting walked up on. ,weirdo. ).those are very brazen raw rude attacks.this is going to be an interesting profile.
Hmm..where to start by just skimming..B..don’t think my questions about what trial would come first were “intelligent”, by any means, but thanks nonetheless. I was just rambling.
Sure, I would assume most school systems have a dress code especially Middle and High. My teen always says, “I know mom! Classy and not trashy.” She got that from her aunt though. I don’t care if she wheres sweats as long as she is covered. There have been many arguments about those pesky “skinny jeans”. However, 20 years ago bar hopping in the bottom I dressed like Hannah as did many of my friends. Just because we could. So, we showed a little midriff. Does not mean we should be victims. I will tell you this though, anytime a guy grabbed my ass I would turn around and say, “nice, keep your grubby hands off of me and everyone else.” My guy friends would back me up as well. My point is, is that it does not matter what one wears. No one needs to be victimized. There are creeps everywhere. How many creeps do you think are at the beach when young girls are in their suits? Is every young woman supposed to wear their ski clothes to the shore because there may be a predator there? Sorry, rambling again..
While I do believe in the buddy system as a tool to protect…With all respect, it is just not enough! I was with 8 of my closest friends when I was attacked in a well lit parking lot at a restaurant with a wall of glass that overlooked it with plenty of witnesses. Just as JLM was in plain sight…so were these two men. You need to equip yourself with a plan that you are comfortable with for the “what if” and have a sixth sense of the dangers around you. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in.
Does anyone else ever go back and re-read their posts and think “Wow… Could you have climbed any higher on your soap box”?? Geeze…
I suppose I just want to see something good come from all of this. Thanks for letting me spew from far atop my box. ;.)
We can teach our young men how to treat women. We can teach our young women how they should be treated by men. We can teach our young women to dress in social settings as to not send wrong messages. We can ask our colleges to provide safety classes for both young men and women. We can ask our colleges to provide safe transportation for the students when deemed necessary.
But my bottom line of preaching, is that everyone needs a buddy. At no time, should anyone be left to their own resources. Evil is out there – in college towns, big cities and small towns.
Everyone always needs a buddy.
Friends, do not let your friends go off on their own.
Please.
Charge him with all you can get on him and then boom, make a plea deal !!! Lord I hope not but I think I see it coming !!!!
What do you all make of this?
Investigators are looking in the Albemarle County area where human remains were found Saturday to see if it is a dumping ground for bodies, sources told CNN.
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Sources told CNN that skeletal remains are still at the crime scene. Once the rest of those remains are removed, investigators will dig several feet below to collect the dirt that was under the torso, CNN reports.
Investigators are scouring the area for more clothing and other potential evidence, sources said.
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/loca…arle/17665449/
Link did not work for me E
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B says:
ok, for anyone skimming that info comes from Michael Gibson, chief of UVA Police.
Of greatest concern to me, ( as opposed to what professional and with what credentials and citations was that written, hello?) is that at the end, it encourages a victim to report the rape to the University- not the police. This damn conflict is exactly why this keeps happening- make no mistake. If LE was involved from the get-go and not some vic advocate from the school (this is a conflict- I cannot say this plainly enough- there is no independent advocate for the victim) standing over their bed telling them not to say anything to anyone until they can have them in front of the board for “a review”. WTH? Rape is a felony criminal code violation, period. And this crud about going through the Dean’s office is nothing more than a hopeful sive.
They can like or not- but right now, UVA has had 2 girls murdered from the campus area, 2 sexual assaults occurring the same day as the Graham disappearance… BY A UVA EMPLOYEE. Mark my words again y’all- this is going to end up a Federal Investigation and not because like it should- it is an epidemic and a conflict for police to police their own cases- but because it will involve investigation of NCAA eligibility and disclosure of a dude who ran under the fences of anyone for 14 years.
The FBI knows the empirical data says this guy is a one of a kind ( maybe- not my vote) or we have more graves to dig.
WOW, don’t keep up with you often, just on the Missing girls’ stuff and I cannot say I have you seen you that hot under the collar before. I always try to keep my cool on here so as not to get “barred” and get put in my place by you. Kind of “lol”.
Clock Ticks for Fairfax to Prosecute Jesse Matthew
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The clock is ticking for Fairfax to take Jesse Matthew to trial on indictments stemming from a 2005 sexual assault.
Right now, the prime suspect in the Hannah Graham case is facing charges in three locations. Fairfax, Charlottesville and Albemarle County all have charged Matthew since September, and Fairfax indicted him. That means Fairfax has five months to get Matthew to trial.
In Virginia, no single type of charge takes precedence over another.
“So right now unless that trial starts sometime in March, unless it starts by then, Fairfax may be out of luck. I think they move to the head of the line,” Snook said.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/26850202/clock-ticks-for-jurisdictions-prosecuting-jesse-matthew
B. I googled Eloise’s link and this is what I came up with:
http://static.wusa9.com/video-archive-player/?bctid=3851468836001
Hope it works for you. Interesting. They are saying just the skull was sent to MEO and the rest of the bones were left thus far. What’s your take on that?
I am going to defer on your question Belsma- except to say my immediate reaction is that they are waiting on a forensic anthropologist study- and that ray gun crime scene recorder thingie Rader purchased. It is an a-typical recovery strategy- almost makes we wonder what is in that soil they have a concern unearthing her remains might contaminate.
B
Eloise’s link. (Won’t know if it works ’til I post)
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2014/10/21/hannah-graham-missing-uva-student-remains-found-albemarle/17665449/
TY erose
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blink we alway wondered who had knowledge of the hayfiels in morgan case watch this http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/neighbors-of-jesse-matthews-mother-speak-out-about-multiple-investigations/29263116
Shocker. In fairness, she did not ask him if he was interviewed by VSP at the time, or after an AA male was identified.
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grave yard was across the road
Is it possible that the area where LE found the remains was his dumping ground for other victims as well?
Possible, yes. However my best intel says Matthew Mom was only near that location for about 1 yr-18 months.
If not there- I absolutely believe there are others.
B
B. You referred to something as a “thingie”. You are now human in mind.
Thoughts with the Harringtons, Murphys, Grahams, Clarks and all the other families of the missing and murdered. Night all.
For the life of me, I cant figure out why a university encourages victims of a crime to come to them first and not to local police. Universities might have hired security guards, but they are not law enforcement and do not have the expertise in this area. Whenever I’ve seen a story about a rape victim going to the school first, I want to shout, go to the actual police! The land on which the crime occurred might be university properties but it’s also within the jurisdiction of local PD. Why would you trust a university to do a job that is not within their function? If I’m raped in my condo complex, I report it to the police, I don’t expect the condo association to handle it.
I may have misread ATG’s statement on clothing and overreacted, and for that I apologize. I get what you are saying about dress codes. I think when it comes to young women and rape there are several issues at play – “date” rape on a university campus is a much different animal than a stranger rape in which a woman is targeted. I do think that women need to be educated on not making themselves targets, as do men. That primarily has to do with being alone, distracted and looking vulnerable. I was in juvenile court a few months back and talking to a judge who said one of hte most common crimes they see now is “apple picking” – teenagers swiping iphones off of distracted people on the subway and walking on the street. It’s the easiest crime, you are showing to a potential predator that you have something of resale value right in your hand, and you are distracted and not paying attention to anyone around you. I have spoken before about the prevalence of GhB on campuses and in the wider world at bars. Unfortunately this kind of streetsmarts mostly comes with age and experience. I took risks at 18 I never would take at 34. And people don’t realize how vulnerable they are until it happens to them or their friends, like my friend on the cruise ship. and
Lyndsay- UVA does have it’s own police force- my point is that it is a conflict to the victims interests to have to go through the “school process” as opposed to criminal due process under victims rights in VA code- AND since many times the acts may be alleged against a student as well- it is actually also a conflict to the presumption of innocence- dual edged sword here. However, and I mean this sincerely- I am aware of, and have documented cases where a parent or parents have come to me with proof that their daughter was the victim of a date rape and the assigned personnel literally told her and her parents not to file a police report as THEY could get sued for the suspects revocation of student aid ( I am being intentionally vague).
B
How can rape have a statute of limitations? Rape?
I don’t want to drag anyone’s name through the mud, but who is the bald white man with a pot belly and goatee that is shown on news footage and said to live with JLM’s father? He looks a lot like the white man that was initially seen in surveillance video following Hannah outside the restaurants– right around the same time JLM sees Hannah from across the plaza.
Here’s the link to the news footage showing the man at JLM’s father’s house (was shared earlier by another BOC poster).
http://static.wusa9.com/video-archive-player/?bctid=3851468836001
BP- I do not believe that is the same individual seen on CCTV following Hannah Graham.
B
Thanks all for correcting my link- Eloise was sleepy.
From NBC29 – http://www.nbc29.com/story/26849296/nelson-authorities-to-resume-search-for-alexis-murphy
“Even though investigators have found no trace of Alexis Murphy, Taylor was convicted of first-degree murder and abduction with intent to defile and is currently serving two life terms. He did offer information about Murphy’s whereabouts during his sentencing – never saying she was dead – but that was in exchange for a reduce sentence of 20 years. Trina Murphy stands by her family’s decision to reject the deal.
“There was no guarantee that he was actually going to give us the right location or any location for that matter. I feel more comfortable with him behind bars, and when God is ready for us to find out where Alexis is, he’ll reveal it,” she said.”
I can’t imagine the anguish her family is feeling, it’s just heart wrenching. The choice they made to let him sit in jail, I just have no words for the strength God has given them.
I know it’s been determined there is no connection between Alexis and Hannah, but I still question if the two knew each other. Is there hard evidence this was not the case?
And also, my last question for the morning, Can they prosecute JLM for Hannah’s murder if something was done to her to destroy evidence, meaning any DNA, or what have you. It seems her body deteriorated very quickly, and though I took the comment you made on a similar question and researched decomposition, it seems something “helped” her body along. Maybe I’m wrong, certainly no expert here.
I believe that ultimately there will be enough physical and circumstantial evidence to convict Matthew and it will never go to trial.
B
Blink, your response below to Mom3…first thing that comes to my mind on this is PSU…that didn’t work well there and shouldn’t be the policy at any school.
Blink said…Of greatest concern to me, ( as opposed to what professional and with what credentials and citations was that written, hello?) is that at the end, it encourages a victim to report the rape to the University- not the police. This damn conflict is exactly why this keeps happening- make no mistake. If LE was involved from the get-go and not some vic advocate from the school (this is a conflict- I cannot say this plainly enough- there is no independent advocate for the victim) standing over their bed telling them not to say anything to anyone until they can have them in front of the board for “a review”. WTH? Rape is a felony criminal code violation, period. And this crud about going through the Dean’s office is nothing more than a hopeful sive….
So interestingly, that same individual is FB friends with Matthew 2009 assault victim.
B
So there was another assault in 2009 in addition to Morgan’s murder?
First, with regard to the assault not being prosecuted in Lynchburg at Liberty, I think the prosecutor’s hands were tied once the victim declined to proceed. After all, who else did he/she have to turn to for evidence of a crime: the accused, Jesse Matthew. He certainly wasn’t going to stand up and say the act wasn’t consensual. I guess I can even understand why maybe the accusation didn’t follow him to Christopher Newport. He was no longer accused of a crime, only that he violated the school’s policy against students engaging in premarital sex. I don’t think the situation is quite as clear at Christopher Newport. Maybe I’ve missed it, but has there been any explanation about why the allegation at CNU was not pursued?
This morning I saw what I think is the reason people never suspected Jesse Matthew of being a threat of any kind. Two acquaintances, though I gather they weren’t close friends, both said they were shocked at the accusations. Both, one a young white female and one a young black male, said he always appeared so kind, friendly and well spoken. I think most of the time that was the face he presented to the public, even when he was acting obnoxious as with the females in the bar on the night Hannah disappeared. Remember how “kind” and “considerate” he was in the road rage incident. His true personality emerged briefly, then he reverted to the friendly man who was willing to do anything to right the wrong he had committed. If he is indeed guilty kidnapping Morgan and Hannah, I can see him initially presenting that big smile he showed to the young women on the way to Foxfield. My hope is, if he is the guilty party, that he disabled them quickly and neither young woman was aware of the brutality he was inflicting.
Lyndsay says:
October 21, 2014 at 11:39 am
Your talk of women dressing more chastely reeks of sexism and patriarchal rape myths, ATG, and is making me really uncomfortable. Can we can it on the moralizing to young women? You aren’t one and have never been one, and I really resent the victim blaming and moral superiority here. How a woman is dressed has absolutely nothing to do with whether she will become a target. It is attitudes like this that prevent women from coming forward in the first place.
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Like it or not Lindsay, if a woman or girl dresses provocatively then yes, it will draw more attention. Should any man be on the prowl it very, well could draw such an individual to making that girl their next victim. Doesn’t mean it’s the victim’s fault. Just means dressing appropriately is another means of self-defense.
I’m 50 now and when I was young exercised and ran like crazy thing to keep my 36-25-26 figure to what I considered close to perfect as I could. Was in very, good shape and took advantage of it. Yup….wore the revealing clothes and you know why? I was young, vane, and liked to be looked at! It’s a fact and nothing more that when I was “dressed down” I garnered much less attention.
No one was trying to be sexist. They were stating something truthful and in today’s society woman cannot be too careful.
With someone like Matthews I will say it’s more likely he wanted someone who was already compromised (intoxicated) and alone. Other perps do choose their victims based on appearance, and others opportunity only. Blink would be one to comment on which is most common.
OOPS. 36-25-36. Otherwise that wasn’t a very, nice figure at all
Granted today those numbers are bigger (especially the one in the middle) and I’ve no desire to try and show off anything. Long outgrown worrying about my appearance other than looking clean!!!
Blink, it has been reported that JLM lived with his mother in a house on that same road for six years. It sounds like LE is being very careful to rule this location out as a dump site.
Not that house, no, only about 18 months at most, but down the road in Keswick. Yes, we agree there are concerns that there are other remains than Hannah’s on that site based on visual inspection, timing, and his choice of disposal there.
B
Re TGF-
October 21, 2014 at 7:37 pm
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TGF nothing would be the matter if a business wanted to speak with a LE inorder to make their business safer for patrons-
As I agreed it would be a good thing to discuss better protocols and LJ behaviors etc
BUT that is far different than gathering info on any and all other persons for nothing more than a belief that their behaviors are strange and they seem to be hanging out on a regular basis.
It is not illegal to be seen as strange nor is it illegal to frequent an establishment often. A persons name should not end up on some watch list simply because of some subjective reasoning
AJMO Peace
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leslie says:
October 21, 2014 at 8:14 am
Hi again Leslie- after reading your next post
October 21, 2014 at 6:52 pm it became apparent that you were being facetious.
If its okay with you Ill just reiterate the points for TGFs
October 21, 2014 at 7:03 pm post
TGF you wrote:
Ru-mom
You have identified the problem with many young women. They have been emancipated from being responsible for their choices of dress and behavior to the point that they are often living outside reality.
They think that when a bad guy attempts something, they can say “be respectful, I am a woman who has rights.” The bad guy will get a big chuckle out of that one as he proceeds to do his deed. What a terrible way to learn about reality.
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TGF many readers and contributors here hold your opinions in the highest esteem they look to you for guidance and wisdom- as do I-
I have to believe that Blink let yr post thru unchecked as a way to further the learning
TGF You have a right to your opinions and unfortunately I do not think I could change them even if I tried- but respectfully and with the utmost kindness TGF THIS post of yours IS dangerously Close to victim blaming and it pains me to say it but it is also bordering on offensive
TGF Many studies have been done it has long been known that A victims attire has nothing to do with sexual assault rape abduction or murder
dressing more “responsibly” will not safeguard against rape abduction or murder
Rape is a crime of control not sexual gratification these crimes have occurred throughout history to men women and children- nomatter what clothing they wore-
THAT is the reality TGF
As for behaviors i am not sure as to what behaviors you are referring to, that women see themselves as emancipated from responsibility but no behavior by anyone makes them in any way “responsible” for being raped abducted or murdered
TGF- the perp is a sick F*** ofcourse he/she /they will laugh in the face of the victim and their rights and sadly He is determined to go on to do “his deed” no matter what
The problem is not that women have been emancipated nor is the problem that women have choices or rights
The reality is that they do as they should
the problem is rapists murders and abductors dont give one hoot or holler about any ones rights freedoms or well being- and when caught they can rely most often on their victims not coming forward to prosecute do to shame most often brought about by victim blaming and moral superiority leading them to feel as though their dress their behaviors their choices somehow equals that they were asking for it-
TGF Hannah and Morgan, RG, and countless others are victims and they are blameless I know you know this but yr post TGf made it seem as if you didnt..
Respectfully submitted
AJMO Peace
MsLiberty said: “It hasn’t been said, but if he was a regular on the mall, did he recognize Jesse Matthew as someone he had seen many times?”
I think that’s an interesting idea; however, if WG was familiar with with JM, it seems like he would have given a more accurate description, i.e., dreadlocks vs. short hair. I suspect that instead he was also lulled into thinking JM was there to genuinely be of assistance.
BlackPearl said: “Who is the bald white man with a pot belly and goatee that is shown on news footage and said to live with JLM’s father?”
Even if he’s not the guy on the CCTV video on the mall, I’m sure it’s not lost on LE that this is a weird pairing of roommates. One can assume these two have something in common, as we don’t typically live with other people whose lifestyles are radically different from our own. Given JM Sr’s documented history of sexual molestation and substance abuse, it does make me wonder. When looking at JM’s behavior, it is important to look at the broader context. And something is definitely “off” here.
Lurker- who has a history of sexual abuse?
B
I think that the first guy we saw on the video following HG then dropping back, who also gave a different description of the person he saw walking with HG has something to do with JM cutting accross the mall and getting into contact with HG. I think he intentionally gave LE an incorrect description and that he knows JM. When he saw himself on video he know he had to do something. I say this b/c we have never heard anything about who the black guy was with the bald head, beer belly and goatee….
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jesse-matthew-suspect-hannah-graham-case-has-history-bad-acts-n230451
Not that everyone here may not have already seen the above report but it lists several more things JM seems to have gotten away with. My question is……when someone repeatedly has brushes with the law and keeps coming out unscathed…..doesn’t that tell people something? Or, is it the same as it is in a lot of small towns? It’s according to who you are and who the perp is? I live in a small town and don’t really have a lot of use for the authorities around here. Never been in trouble and from some of the things I’ve witnessed here, I never want to be. What is the world coming to?
Praying for all those with missing loved ones……..and may they all be brought home to their loved ones.
Lindsay
In regards to your appology, thank you.
I knew I was exposing something that would generate many comments both for or against what I posted.
Most of you who post are women. Therefore, you would seldom get to hear the comments that some boys and men make to one another about the behavior or appearances of women in a school, at work or a social situation. I think if you did it would be a big revelation.
Some of those comments are downright ugly and vulgar. Some guys have little respect for a woman who dresses in scanty clothing in a public place and think they are advertising for a sexual encounter. A drunk woman in scanty clothing gets their attention in a hurry. Mostly it is just vulgar talk and wishful thinking, but sometimes it is the trigger for an assault.
What I was trying to do was to give advice and a warning without getting too much in the details.
In Hannah’s case, if she were my granddaughter, I would have advised her to wear a lightweight coat that covered her to her knees while on a public street. She could have removed it at the party. Those are the type of behaviors that would neutralize the unwanted attentions of some males.
As we now know, in the case with JM where he constantly looked for a drunk female to abuse, clothing didn’t matter. Being drunk or alone did.
Heart u and thank you for addressing- or re-dressing, not undressing or something like that, lol.
In seriousness I do know that it is a sticking point for many young women, and women of all ages.
Gone with the wind are the days of not showing one’s bosom until after 5 PM. ( lawdy please readers get my afternoon attempt at humor on such a macabre topic). To be clear- there was nothing Hannah might have worn differently in my mind that would have changed this outcome in terms of attracting this malfeasant.
That said- as I tried to impart yesterday, ladies- I can only state it as best as my Mumzy told me as a young teen- “what you advertise is what you sell- think about who you want to advertise to.”
As an example that I practice what I preach- this year Ms. Blinkette picked a rather body-con little black number for homecoming. Tasteful, but a tad shorter than I would generally approve. We had an agreement- she could get the dress, but if she did, she was wearing flat sandals with it- or she could get a different dress that would be suitable for heels. When we got home I showed her what it would look like with a pair of heels and she decided I was absolutely right and wth- then she could dance without worrying about her shoes.
I do think we have some way to go in the “girls should get to dress however they want and nobody should give a hoot or form opinions conversation.” I fear that is a set up for them at their ages.
B
Grace
Your story about the behavior of the bouncer at a bar is exactly what is needed across the country.
In Texas it is a state law that a bar must watch all patrons to see that they do not become drunk. If the waiter or waitress observes such a case, they are to stop serving and notify the manager or owner. They must also talk to the person about not leaving and driving a vehicle. They must also see to it that either another person in the party is capable of driving or if the person is alone, they must arrange for a cab to their home. This was triggered because a drunk driver caused a car crash that killed several people.
Looking for successful solutions to problems of personal safety or general safety is necessary. Youth do not have enough experience to do so unless the adult population gives them assistance. Sometimes it isn’t youth, but people who have not learned that certain behaviors are dangerous to themselves or others.
Teaching a young man or woman about a new community when they go to a college or university should be job number one for parents. It means that one should drive them around the community pointing out the location of police and other services. How the streets connect and where is the campus in relation to the rest of town. It is now possible to show all this on Goggle Earth with aerial photo view or map view as an additional teaching tool.
I attended a small liberal arts college in the late 70′s and early 80′s. We had our own campus police with a police car and a golf cart. Their job was to protect the campus from outsiders, break up fights, and make sure drunk students got back to the dorm OK. They would also check that dorm doors were appropriately locked.
The college was on good terms with the city police. City police rarely entered campus without notifying the Dean of Students first. When LE would find out about possible drug dealers on campus, they would first contact the dean of students to give him warning, with the understanding that he would talk to the students and warn them to stop. Most of them got the hint. These were not evil mob or gang type drug dealers, and many of them have become successful professionals.
Campus Police would never think of investigating a murder, abduction, or rape, however. What they did accomplish was to protect the records of teenagers doing stupid teenager stuff and keeping events off their permanent police records. There were no “cover ups” of major crimes – it is a small enough school that everybody knew everything.
Unfortunately, colleges are now expected to launch their own investigations under federal mandates. Even if LE is notified of a rape allegation, the schools are required to perform their own parallel investigations. Rape investigation is generally not in any school’s mission statement, and is not something they do well at all.
There are cases like Florida State, where the investigation against Jameis Winston will be drawn out until the season ends and he heads off to make millions in the NFL. But most schools do not have big-time athletic programs to protect, but they are poorly prepared to deal with these investigations.
A little known fact about Charlottesville’s Downtown Mall & pretty much the entire area…
I noticed mentioned earlier that it surprised some that Matthew would knowingly walk among cameras downtown when he was going in Hannah’s direction. Something few people know is that Charlottesville & Albemarle have been against putting video cameras in public places as Cville doesn’t want to infringe on privacy, nor does it ever want to admit to there being any reason to. The videos that caught him were all from inside restaurants (thank you Sal’s – I’ve always loved to eat there & now even more so, knowing they are watching out for our safety) and stores like Rhine’s jewelers. I pray that Cville & surrounding communities take a step in the right direction for the future. The Downtown Mall has a huge nightlife with many bars, clubs and restaurants open late – there are also a bunch a street or two off of the mall. There are 2 parking structures, in addition to many small parking areas & the lighting once off the mall – is disturbingly horrible. In addition – the drinking in the area is as it always has been – a HUGE part of the area and the University with underage drinking being just as easy to do now as it was for me 20 years ago. I have teenagers – I know this for a fact. During home UVA football games, everyone walks around drunk & you see both groups and singles walking around, obviously clueless to the fact that it can be a dangerous area. Drugs are still just as easy to purchase around town as it was 19 years ago when my older brother died from a drug overdose. If you’re a local, you would never have known about his death as it was never public knowledge, only those that knew me or him knew the facts.
I do want to share with everyone that McGrady’s Pub (which is itself very close to a questionable area of town which is adjacent to the University) has taken on a huge responsibility to the community, this makes me very proud to be a local. Regularly on the radio, they are advertising not only safe walks to your car at anytime, but also free rides for women on weekends. It doesn’t even say you have to be drinking there. Thank you McGrady’s for stepping up on this one. I’ve seen where people have questioned them turning Hannah away – first of all, they are 21 & over only at night; 2nd of all there are ALWAYS a ton of underage drinkers trying to get into the bars, 3rd – please take a minute & think back to when you were in your twenties… What would you have done? I don’t know the owner, nor have I ever been a patron there, but I know the bouncer that was working that night must feel horrible. I don’t blame him, I blame a community that has turned a blind eye for way too long.
I recall Blink’s comment about borderline personality disorder, which seems to be panning out as a possibility. These are individuals who alternate between neurotic and psychotic behavior, but under stress, drugs, and alcohol can quickly degenerate to psychotic. So is this habitual lamb/lion vacillation a cocaine induced rage? Everything we have read about the behavior leading up to the night in question, sweaty, acting off, weird, aggressive, outside of bounds, leads me to suspect a drug intoxicated rage. I think cocaine or other drugs might be the scenario setting this individual off on his rampages.
The background which creates BPD is said to be trauma at an early age. I am not creating excuses for this unspeakable depravity, far from it. This character knew what he was doing and chose to take the drugs. Also, I am not ruling out a set up of people who supplied the drugs including local low life facilitators and enablers. It does seem odd that Hannah and Morgan were both in the same predicament and both bounced out of their safe environment to the waiting lair of this creep. It also seems odd to me that JM was chronically enabled and covered up for by the “system.” To include employment at UVA, taxi, and multiple college scholarships, and these ridiculous bar owners not using good sense. Someone who is high level has been involved in the criminal justice system, my gut is telling me. I wish the news would tell us the details of that. All of these folks need to face the public scrutiny in this matter. The taxi companies whose employees did not step forward, the bar owners who earned the big fail in public safety as regards letting the creep grope the drunk girls, etc. These businesses need to feel the public’s disapproval.
Blink said: “Lurker- who has a history of sexual abuse?”
I stand corrected. He was convicted of “indecent exposure,” which apparently morphed in my mind to “sexual molestation.” I have no doubt I was wondering what, if anything, JM Jr. was exposed to as a child that might explain his current condition, and I made an unconscious leap. While I am still curious, I certainly didn’t mean to malign JM’s father. Thanks Lurker- that is an important correction.
B
A business can easily have a person ‘trespassed’ from their premises forever legally refusing the trespassed patron services or access to their business. Any one of those local bars could have done so with JM however I suspect that although he was obnoxious no one believed he was capable of what we now know he has done.
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A Texas Grandfather says:
October 21, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Ru-mom
You have identified the problem with many young women. They have been emancipated from being responsible for their choices of dress and behavior to the point that they are often living outside reality.
They think that when a bad guy attempts something, they can say “be respectful, I am a woman who has rights.” The bad guy will get a big chuckle out of that one as he proceeds to do his deed. What a terrible way to learn about reality.
@ATG
My dear man, as a woman, a daughter, and the mother of a daughter and sons I must say that your perspective is wholly skewed, and I do say this with respect.
A ‘bad guy’ must take responsibility for his own ‘badness’. A woman can be wearing slacks and a turtleneck and some idiot will still be overbearing and sexually aggressive with her.
It is not the woman’s responsibility or fault here. At all, even a tiny bit. Sexual aggression and violence imposed upon a woman is entirely the fault of the man doing it and her clothing choice has nothing to do with it.
I can say with certainty that my two sons would NEVER attack a woman who did not care to have an intimate relationship. No matter how the woman acted or what she wore.
And for the men who would, they are inherently evil and lack conscience and whatever the woman wore would have little to no bearing on the predatory attack the perpetrator is intent on doing.
Not posting that- with great respect, I have a strict policy on that subject matter.
B
Thanks to all of you who expressed their views regarding dress and behavior. Hopefully we all learned from the exchange. It took a while for it to be thoroughly explored. I take full responsibility for perhaps not expressing my concerns in a way that would not be offensive.
My twin was a beautiful young woman who worked for the Learners Dress Shop chain. They produced a catalog and she made some catalog appearances. She was also the manager of one of their stores at age 19.
We had many discussions about how women should dress and behave. Twins can say things to one another that other siblings cannot.
The reply to my post that Blink made sharing with us her advice from her mother is what all young women should hear. Many mothers lack the wisdom that “mom-mom” possessed at an early age. One cannot teach what one does not know themselves.
I will follow my prior post with the caveat that while clothing choice has little to do with being attacked, it has everything to do with being respected. That goes for male or female.
FBI begins testing on Alexis Murphy’s car for evidence of Jesse Matthew
http://wtvr.com/2014/10/22/fbi-to-test-alexis-murphy-for-jesse-matthew-link/
Article on NBC29
“FBI Tests Alexis Murphy’s Car for Jesse Matthew’s DNA
There are tests underway to determine if Jesse Matthew’s DNA is in Alexis Murphy’s car.
According to Randy Taylor’s defense attorney Michael Hallahan, the FBI lab is performing DNA testing to determine if Matthew’s DNA was in Murphy’s car. Murphy’s car was found in the parking lot of the Carmike 6 movie theater in Albemarle County three days after she disappeared.
Earlier this month Hallahan asked the commonwealth’s attorney to compare DNA evidence gathered from the investigation of Matthew with unidentified evidence in the Murphy case.”There were multiple DNA samples found in Alexis Murphy’s car,” Hallahan said. “Most of them came back unknown.”
According to Nelson County Commonwealth’s Attorney Anthony Martin, the FBI lab in Quantico has not given a specific time frame for when the DNA tests will be completed.
Matthew, the prime suspect in the Hannah Graham case, is facing charges in three localities. Fairfax, Charlottesville, and Albemarle County all have charged Matthew since September, and Fairfax has indicted him on charges in connection with a 2005 sexual assault.
Matthew was indicted on attempted capital murder, abduction with the intent to defile, and sexual penetration with an object against the victim’s will charges in Fairfax. He has been charged in Charlottesville with abduction with intent to defile in connection with disappearance of University of Virginia student Hannah Graham. He also faces two reckless driving charges in Albemarle.
Matthew has not been formally connected to the Murphy case, but Randy Taylor’s attorney requested reopening the case earlier this month after Matthew was forensically linked to Morgan Harrington’s case from 2009.
Randy Taylor is serving two life sentences for Murphy’s abduction and murder. Murphy’s body was never found, but a new search for her will start in November in Orange County.”
Posters, forgive my copy and paste, I’m using my IPad and it’s a bit more technologically advanced than I….
That being said, I’m assuming this is RATs attempt to find a way back out? If they had various DNA hits in Alexis’ car, JLMs DNA was already on record at this time and would have been a match to Sketch, before it was discovered Sketch was indeed JLMs. Am I correct here Blink? And if that is the case, why is the FBI allowing this additional testing?
Is it possible RAT knew of JLMs??
I believe that ultimately there will be enough physical and circumstantial evidence to convict Matthew and it will never go to trial.
B
Really? Wow. But what about sentencing? I am not sure how this all works without a trial..
You sound like you are having the same issues with your mini Blink as I am having with my mini me re: dress appropriate issues. Not severe, just a challenge at times.
Not that anyone should be attacked for their attire, I just don’t want stinky teenage boys looking at my girl! 
She refused to go to HC in a long potato sack. HUMPH!
Thanks, but actually not so far, she is pretty conservative- not as conservative as Mom but ya know-
B
Others here have asked how many girls were possibly victim to JM. I found a list of young women abducted, or missing from the same area. Here is the list
√ 2009 – Cassandra Morton, 23, abducted/missing October 2009
√ 2009 – Morgan Harrington, 20, abducted/missing October 2009
2010 – Samantha Clarke, 19, abducted/missing Sept 2010 (*Randy Allen Taylor)
2011 – Lauren Susann Smith, 24, abducted/missing Nov 2011
2012 – Heather Hodges, 22, abducted/missing April 2012
2012 – DaShad Laquinn Smith, 19, abducted/missing Nov 2012
2013 – Alexis Murphy, 17, abducted/missing Aug 2013 (*Randy Allen Taylor)
2013 – Jamisha Gilbert, 17, abducted/missing Nov 2013
Other questions to ask:
Rape in 2002 at Liberty U. What date?
Rape in 2005 at Fredericksburg. What date?
Rape at CNU. What date?
Here is the site where I found this information:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/10/18/breaking-hannah-graham-body-found-important-announcement-coming-on-hannah-graham-abduction/
It’s possible that we are going to learn that police found remains of one or more of these other young women. As horrible as that is to think, maybe we will solve some of the mystery of their disappearance and some resolution for their families.
ATG – I visit the great state of Texas fairly often. My sister lives on Lake Conroe, and I threaten to move there all the time!!
And now on to my question for you: when looking at the photographs of JLMs car that I linked for you. Did you notice anything about his tires ( other than they were bald)? In the Google street view some have linked here of the road traveling into the area Hannah was discovered, I saw lots of red clay, or mud. Im sure he sprayed the car down, if that was even the vehicle he transported her there in, but wouldn’t that thick, clay like, red mud, stick under the wheel wells, frame and under carriage of the car? And can this mud, if found, also be used to prove he was there, on that road????
@ Mom 3.0–I admire your diplomacy.
As we see on the CCTV in front of Sal’s, at first Matthew is walking behind the white guy. But then he quickly picks up his pace and starts passing people. When we see him in the next video, he is with Hannah and the white guy is behind them.
At some point, Matthew passed the white guy and caught up with Hannah. I find it surprising that this didn’t give the white guy more opportunity to form an accurate description of the “african american male” that he said put his arm around Hannah.