Hannah Graham Body Located: Sources Say Tip Led To Her Recovery
Breaking News: The body of Hannah Elizabeth Graham has been recovered.
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I don’t know that this # is valid, but I read on the NBC29 website’s comment section that over 4000 tips came into the tip line. Out of that number, I have to wonder, how many in this largely rural area were for buzzard activity. If I had to guess, it was probably 100s. Mr. Pugh’s (saw him on TV today)tip was the one resulting in finding human remains, but how did LE or the CUE center or whoever scheduled the searches know that his should move to the front of the line. Again, just as so many can now see the resemblance between Sketch and Jesse Matthew, hindsight is always 20/20. Sure, he had connections to the area, but from what I’ve read, he had connections to several local areas and those areas were part of the searches. The searchers worked almost 24/7 to find Hannah for 5 long weeks. It would have been so much better had they found her on week 1, 2, 3 or 4, for her family and for evidentiary purposes, but that didn’t happen. I hope the searchers realize how much their efforts are appreciated. I do believe the remains are Hannah’s, but if not, some other human being will be returned to loved ones because of the efforts put forth by strangers.
If this doesn’t go to trial ,I hope someone with strong credentials writes the book.the blonde who helped him with his homework is the same type as Morgan and Hannah.its so strange she goes before the cameras to defend him.i didn’t see any of Morgan or Hannah’s friends go on camera(I might of missed it).she says he read like ‘fun with dick and Jane’. Maybe it was his access to being alone with her in a study room , that made him stutter, and unable to read outloud ,nervous around her? dyslexia? Isn’t it a kinda a fact that almost all sex abusers,were abused? This dude is ‘out in the open’ ‘ambush’ violent.i am sure football has something to with his ,ability to work his adrenaline.
susanm- respectfully- that is a complete mischaracterization, and I would appreciate it if when you are referencing material similarly- that you provide a link in support.
Thank you.
B
B – I saw on twitter that the Grahams were called to come to Old Lynchburg Rd to the site and spent over 30 minutes there…any speculation on why, identifying personal items maybe?
Well, never mind… it appears her parents wanted to go there….
http://www.nbc29.com/story/26883590/hannah-grahams-parents-visit-old-lynchburg-road-crime-scene
Hannah’s parents have visited the Old Lynchburg Road discovery site. While there’s been no official confirmation, I would say that her parents and local authorities are almost 100% certain the remains are hers. I cannot even begin to imagine what such knowledge must do to a parent. I think Morgan’s parents are keeping in touch with them. Having suffered this same horror, maybe they can help them face the days to come. University students were planning a candlelight service for Sunday at the downtown pavilion. I’ve read that the parents asked that the event be postponed because at this point they are totally overwhelmed. If what is suspected to true, at least they won’t have to go through years of knowing that their child’s killer is still free and will probably kill again.
Also, I want to say, I have such huge respect for Alexis Murphy’s family. Her great-aunt was on tv several days ago. She said they had been told about the pending search in Orange several weeks ago but they hadn’t wanted it publicized until Hannah was found. The Harringtons and Murphys have been remarkable in their compassion for Hannah’s family at a time when events must have brought back all they had been through.
I completely agree with you about the Murphy family. What a class act.
If true about Hannah’s parents asking to postpone a vigil for Hannah prior to her positive identification ( it is her- who really thinks I am putting that out there on a whim, wth?)
John and Susan Graham have the benefit of something that the Harrington’s unfortunately, never did.
Hindsight bias. In research it is generally considered a negative term- in this case, it is the fact that without question, there was enough evidence and intel, and in Matthew’s case- PRIOR FELONY charges that would have put his DNA in the system PRIOR to Morgan’s murder. With all due respect- hindsight bias is entirely appropriate given their situation.
B
“I have never heard of an indigent criminal choosing their own attorney, which is the equivalent of private retention, pre-miranda and prior to charges being filed, and then that attorney becoming “court appointed”- meaning, paid for by the State. Can anyone enlighten me as to that process in VA?” B
I think the process you’re observing is not a state process but a local tradition. Jim Camblos is very well connected. I’ve had the opportunity to observe a couple of his deals while he served as a prosecutor. He would “network” with defense attorneys and other community interests to try and arrive at a reasonable solution for all and then make that happen.
In this case, I suspect one of his goals is to achieve a certain outcome in Fairfax to help the Charlottesville-Albemarle-UVA community avoid some of the trauma associated with the Harrington and Graham cases. If Camblos makes a deal with Fairfax, it makes a local deal far more likely as the pressure will be lower since JLM will already be sentenced to a very long prison term. That way, the local community can avoid the pain of high profile trials that turn into national media events.
In other words, he is doing this for the public good (pro bono) and his connections have enabled his appointments in that regard.
Nobody is going to like my response to this- but to be honest, it makes perfect sense to me in this community and jurisdiction.
However, if he is court appointed he is not pro bono. Court appointed means that he is entitled to the established compensation and *ROTATION* of pro bono referrals- under the VA BAR and the Cville/Albemarle Cnty Bar.
Camblos last case was high profile for the area- and he litigated it, and lost. I am familiar with his frictions with Lunsford. I could see him representing JLM based on a PR recommendation for future endeavors entirely- however, if that is his goal- it is adverse and conflicting to his client.
I am discoverable in some of your other points and cannot comment, respectfully.
I am looking for anyone who has the time to look up the particular VA code on the appointed defense atty matter.
B
Cassandra Morton’s abduction lines up with a Christopher Newport game and she was found on Liberty U. property. That’s all the game-correlated victims I can report right now, but there are several that were abducted on game weekends. Maybe JLM was too tired or unsuccessful the first night after a game.
The coincidence is probably due to a mixture of compulsions, obsessions, urges and ruminations + opportunity/access.
Statistics show women/girls are usually victimized freshman or sophomore year and the latest FBI study shows the motive absolutely is sexual – not control – as we all previously thought. It’s just that their gratification involves violence and worse. Study says the most common cause of death is strangulation.
LINK – http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
Thanks for your response to my suppositions.
Very Best – FL Grandmother
AFG- I hope folks take the time to review the link you provided- it is good information regarding serial murder and/or murderers.
One thing I would like to mention is that within this field of causation- referring to serial murder as the benchmark and ultimate goal of the offender- to date, it cannot be assumed that JLM’s ultimate goal- or tick on his fantasy continuum wheel was murder of his victim. It can be an absolute side effect ( sounds like a strange term, but investigatively, it could be) it could have been accidental to the motivation, but again, I would like to point out that right now he has more surviving victims than dead ones- all or presumed to involve a level of rape or sexual assault.
From my training, education and experience his profile emergence rings true of an offender who has married the level of violence with sexual gratification and once that is forged in an individual, it is never broken- but this is a preliminary conversation in that regard. I have studied Dr. Hare extensively- I have referenced him on this site dozens of times. In fact, I should note there is a constant ( hopefully respectful) divide between the psych community and criminologists- AND LEO with specialized training in this area.
All things considered, this is the truest description across all profile boundaries in a general sense exclusive of motivation I always go back to when I know I just don’t have enough to say with certainty- what has motivated a serial offender. From your link:
An offender selects a victim, regardless of the category, based upon availability, vulnerability, and desirability. Availability is explained as the lifestyle of the victim or circumstances in which the victim is involved, that allow the offender access to the victim. Vulnerability is defined as the degree to which the victim is susceptible to attack by the offender. Desirability is described as the appeal of the victim to the offender. Desirability involves numerous factors based upon the motivation of the offender and may include factors dealing with the race, gender, ethnic background, age of the victim, or other specific preferences the offender determines.
B
Re Hummingbird says:
October 23, 2014 at 7:26 am
Hello My Misty Mountain Friend-
I am so glad you are you and you are still here- thank you for sharing yr story with us please give my love to yr beautiful Music loving college girl and to her daddy-
I share yr sadness Hummingbird
One of the biggest reasons I come here to BOC is because of my need to understand why
I grieve for the victims and their families and I grieve for the man that his friends seem to have known the kind helpful gentle giant I grieve for the child he once was and for what might have happened to him early on that could have damaged him so
Like you I dont understand
I dont know that we can say for certain that every victim was white or privileged or even that they were all female young or pretty
There may be other victims we havent heard of-
I dont think he presented himself as scary or forceful to hannah she probably viewed him as nice, harmless easy going
he did seem nice and jovial he didnt look scary and he must not have came off as scary to the other guy who thought hannah had found her friend and was safe-
For reasons unknown it seems to have been the opposite.
Ill be here with you Hummingbird hoping we get the answers to the whys
AJMO peace
Blink can you direct me to the quote which you cited as I am not finding it on the page
AFG can you direct me to that study and to the exact quote to which you are referring that says that rape is a crime motivated by sex? Am i on the right page?
TIA
My snip from AFG link, it is not a quote but a snip from the report/symposium:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#three
Link from AFG
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
B
Dear old misty mountain friend yes I am still here and am always happy to see you. Thank you for your sweet words.
I also come to BOC to try and understand and to bare witness to what is happening to innocent victims and their families. I also feel sad for Jesse and his family and wonder how he ended up like this, and how it could have prevented. I will also be here with you dear mom3.0 hoping for answers, sending prayers and learning from our extraordinary Blink and family of posters. Chink!
Once shiny Morgan opened my eyes I will never be able to close them. My heart aches for everyone involved.
I agree with you we cannot be sure of what kind of victim profile Jesse apparently targeted, but they appear to have been alone and vulnerable..
Peace and justice for all.
I just heart you so. You appear like a hazy pinkish sunset my friend.
xoxo
B
We can be thankful for improvements in forensics that may have spared the families of daughters taken by Jesse Matthew further suffering. DNA, CCTV, organized and expert searches, many volunteers and equally certainly prayers (discoveries by the woman in TX and the Chesterfield deputy)have made a tremendous difference in fairly quickly capturing the probable perpetrator.
The use of well-trained dog teams has also made a difference. (See Dogs East and its member groups)
This article has some amazing facts – a dog can find a body buried 8 feet down and one as old as 35 years.
LINK – HDR dogs – http://barksar.org/Cadaver_Dogs_A_Search_Tool_for_Locating_Human_Remains.pdf
The Scripture, Genesis 3:10, comes to mind: “Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.”
(didn’t take long for murder to appear among humanity).
http://wtvr.com/2014/10/24/hannah-graham-remains-identified/
Indeed.
Thanks Belsma
B
wrt “profile & motivations,
if I were interviewing J”s mother for
DefenseCounsel (mitigation),
my question would be
was she battered? Did that include
strangulation in view of children?
Thanks Blink I found yr snip but I am still unable to find the study or the quote of AFG
- I put in the key words
college
sophomore
strangulation
study
AFG- thank you for the link- I hope you can point me to the study and to the exact quote on rape
the misunderstanding may stem from the word sex vs sexual
Rape is not motivated by sex – rape need not even include the act of sex
it is a sexual assault
Take the Fairfax victim – he brutally raped her he brutally sexually assaulted her but the act of sex was not involved
http://static.ow.ly/docs/VAvMatthew_2CZu.pdf
Hope this clears up any misunderstandings
AJMO Peace
@Blink. I agree with prior poster that it’s a matter of local practice who is appointed
for the indigent. (But I have no current knowledge.)
Answers to some questions may be found in first two books on this list:
https://www.vacle.org/PublicationResults.aspx?practiceareaid=9
I remember as a newly minted VA Bar member (in the days before the VA Women’s Bar Assn
existed, & women were hired for squat), attending a County’s 5-star
Dem party local evening reception in a home, and when the Dem Sheriff learned I was a newbie, he
said Get in touch, & I’ll be happy to get you some clients (meaning indigent defense). Never did of course.
I have no doubt the C-ville PD threw Camblos this repr. And I bet whoever roped him in
corrected him & suggested you would be wise to handle Fairfax too.
—-
no words
@Wildon, wrt “In this case, I suspect one of his goals is to achieve a certain outcome in Fairfax to help the Charlottesville-Albemarle-UVA community avoid some of the trauma associated with the Harrington and Graham cases”
imo you nailed it.
@ Blink wrt “October 24, 2014 at 1:36 pm
“I have never heard of an indigent criminal choosing their own attorney, which is the equivalent of private retention, pre-miranda and prior to charges being filed, and then that attorney becoming “court appointed”- meaning, paid for by the State. Can anyone enlighten me as to that process in VA?” B”
He was “steered” at the PD that day, was he not?
I doubt this occurs in VA only.
And in C-ville, Camblos was not Court-appointed for an indigent.
Up to attorney to agree to repr without retainer imo.
So sad, but I guess a relief of some sorts for her parents. Would not begin to pretend to know what they are going through and it’s painful to even try to imagine. My thoughts are with her family and friends.
Right to Counsel is guaranteed under the Sixth Amendment. Here are some Virginia guidelines. There are public defenders, court appointed defenders, and legal aid society all with different stipulations.
http://www.indigentdefense.virginia.gov/PDF%20documents/Standards%20of%20Practice%20120315.pdf
Thanks susan.
B
NO particular reason, but I felt I wanted to add something to a flurry of posts regarding how young, attractive women often tend to dress these days. No, we do not need to wear clothing from head so toe only allowing our eyes to show, but think of it this way. Reporters who go to the middle east and wind up beheaded or hostages knew the risks. They take them and sadly some pay a dear price with their lives.
These days it’s simply not worth the risk to dress too sexy. Too many men do not have a filter to simply look and say, “oh, that is pretty.” Some feel a need to go further and it’s really a darn shame. Then some are already on the hunt and there’s no reason to give them reason to see you as a better target. Of course it still NEVER gives them an excuse. Never.
A Florida Grandmother says:
October 24, 2014 at 2:23 pm
Blink says:
“From my training, education and experience his profile emergence rings true of an offender who has married the level of violence with sexual gratification and once that is forged in an individual, it is never broken- but this is a preliminary conversation in that regard. I have studied Dr. Hare extensively- I have referenced him on this site dozens of times. In fact, I should note there is a constant ( hopefully respectful) divide between the psych community and criminologists- AND LEO with specialized training in this area.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blink, you have mentioned this “divide” between the psych community and criminologists/LEO with specialized training twice, and I have always meant to ask you what divide it is that you are referring to.
The equivalent of the nature/nurture divide in the criminal field- sociopath v psychopath and their interchangeability for those in the psych field as opposed to us in the criminology field who find serious distinctions from a profile perspective.
B
A judge can appoint a lawyer outside of the normal rotation if the court finds that it is necessary to attain the ends of justice. Please see the link and the excerpt from that code provision.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-159
D. Except in jurisdictions having a public defender, or unless (i) the public defender is unable to represent the defendant by reason of conflict of interest or (ii) the court finds that appointment of other counsel is necessary to attain the ends of justice, counsel appointed by the court for representation of the accused shall be selected by a fair system of rotation among members of the bar practicing before the court whose names are on the list maintained by the Indigent Defense Commission pursuant to § 19.2-163.01. If no attorney who is on the list maintained by the Indigent Defense Commission is reasonably available, the court may appoint as counsel an attorney not on the list who has otherwise demonstrated to the court’s satisfaction an appropriate level of training and experience. The court shall provide notice to the Commission of the appointment of the attorney.
Thanks DDA- I am just wondering how any of this happens before a suspect is charged- I presume from your link someone within Cville was able to see he was on the next rotation? I have to believe they attempted to interview JLM and therefore he was mirandized first ( which would start that clock).
B
Apologies – this is the FBI article I meant to post and quoted statistics:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/october/serial-killers-part-8-new-research-aims-to-help-investigators-solve-cases/serial-murder-pathways-for-investigations
http://www.wset.com/story/26669474/classmate-of-jesse-matthews-speaks-out oh sorry ,the blonde is the reporter .the brunette was the homework helper .was that the only mischaracterization?(probably the whole paragraph.
LOL LOL
Had similar day.
B
Payment of defense attorneys in the state of Virginia is found in LIS code 192-163 Compensation of court appointed counsel where the various classes of crimes and the associated fees have been set since 2007. There are waivers available to funding if the crime may involve the death penalty.
The second link posted in Blink’s response to Mom3.0 post indicates that a serial killer can be named with as little as two murders provided they are not at the same time. This is a very good read.
Determination of the class of killers considered to be serial is not really nailed down at this time although the paper reports on a symposium held for the purpose of defining process and procedures for those associated with LE and the courts for the identification and apprehension of the serial offender.
I am now thinking that JM is a serial rapist that may have offended many times where the victim chose to not report it to authorities. I also believe that in the Fairfax case, had he not been interrupted, he would have killed because the victim resisted his advances. This is likely the reason that Morgan and Hannah were beaten and killed. We really have nothing to point to Hannah being beaten, but it may be forthcoming. There may be others yet to be discovered.
I would really like to see LE at some point find some women who were JM’s victims by advertising for them to come forward with a promise to keep their identity secure. It may help in building the case and in future cases of this type.
Wow-
What an eloquently spoken young woman- on behalf of Hannah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT39aEVfvrE
You know Eloise- I work really hard at detaching out of necessity. This young lady while referencing “just that sweet Hannah and the juxtaposition next to that burly man- and who do you think is going to win at 1 in the morning?”, could not have been more succinct and I do not know that I have ever heard such a poignant self-expression in those circumstances from a friend who was close to her- in any case I have ever worked on or covered.
If it makes me petty to say it would have been lovely if one of Morgan’s friends could have “stood” for her publicly in this way- at any time ( not a peep from any of them then or since) than so be it. It is the way I feel today.
B
Camblos, using Carr family, for PR imo.
“speaking for myself”
(that is Camblos)
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2014/10/24/jesse-matthews-statement-on-hannah-graham/17863649/
Camblos is starting to solidify his rep imo
Oh you know that Rose- tie him back to Monticello- get that jury pool all toasty for the winter.
God Luck with that Camblos. Here’s the thing- if you’re going to give a statement under these conditions, and play the name game:
a. His last name should match- there is an intentional disconnect approach here.
b. consult an actual PR agent or firm- this is the equivalent of being written on a match book cover- NOT EVEN a cocktail napkin.
c. He is learning from those of his “forefathers” who just tried very high profile cases who came before him.
d. It was the right move (poor execution) for his defense counsel.
B
Heart you back dearest Blink ❤️
I am with you and will always be with you now.
You continue to hone your sleuthing and victim advocate skills and never cease to amaze me!
You are helping educate people, sending compassion to those who need it most, remembering the forgotton and lost.
You are so right on most of the time abd I learn such a lot.
You moderate your page so graciously and the posters here are intelligent, kind and like you quite often funny in the face of such darkness.
I love to hear how the Blinkettes are doing.
Funny you should mention a sunset as I am clear across the Pacific in New Zealand and have been watching a few hazy pink skies.
I will be back for Thanksgiving much to my husband and daughters relief.
Today I had a bit of an argument with my daughter who is a freshman.
She has a ticket to a Rock concert she was intending on going to on her own. I have been in her case about going with a friend and offered to buy an extra ticket. She says she knows other people who may be going and she will go with someone and to stop lecturing her that she has heard it all before. I said I needed to hear myself say it to her and quoted the FBI survey about the high percentage of female rapes and murders being freshman and sophomores. That even if she was not impaired she could still be overpowered by a strong man or two men. I told her as long as I am paying for college and her allowance I am insisting she comply with me regarding the Buddy system. She finally let me speak lol!! Anyways I hate being so far away and I hope she keeps her word. A big lesson I have learned here at BOC is to reduce or remove the opportunity for crimes to occur in the first place and listen to ones satellites.
Much love as always.
Love to you ma’am- I saw a hazy pink sky on my way to Blink Jr’s football game and I smiled broadly recalling what I posted earlier. That hazy sky turned red in my mind’s eye after the first quarter, sadly, lol.
Stand your ground on this- I realize in a perfect world our little mirror images running around would just listen to our sage advice. ( I can hear maternal collective laughter abound) It is a part of their independence – acknowledging that is key- and striking the deal at the heart of the matter with some set rules is a great idea as well. I have explained to the Blinkettes that as they are older and approaching college years- that they need to prepare similarly to be adults that get paid for preformance.
In other words- if I am paying- I have an expectation of adherence to the rules that they may not be fond of- but all the same- is also a teaching lesson for their professional life.
B
Blink- Susanm was referencing an interview in WSET here in Lynchburg. They interviewed a girl who was friends with him at Liberty. Susan was quoting a lot from the interview. I’ll try to find it. Sorry if someone already posted. I’m catching up on BOC so I haven’t read everything yet.
I would just like to say while I think it’s great they’re finally searching for Alexis Murphy again, I feel HORRIBLE for Samantha Clarkes family. The search was actually planned to look for Samantha and Nelson County LE was invited along because of the Randy Taylor tie. Somehow a search that should’ve brought attention to Samantha Clarke ended up being all over news and twitter how they’re searching for Alexis again. Poor Samantha. Once again no one publicized her case. I wish Chief Longo could mentor the other Va police departments looking for a missing person. He truly is a remarkable man! (I included the link about searches)
http://m.dailyprogress.com/orangenews/news/orange-police-chief-clarifies-online-report/article_3b8c8fca-5a16-11e4-83dd-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm
If it makes me petty to say it would have been lovely if one of Morgan’s friends could have “stood” for her publicly in this way- at any time ( not a peep from any of them then or since) than so be it. It is the way I feel today.
B
I imagine Morgans friends feel like asses, as I am sure Hannahs friends do as well. Hindsight has no immediate future, especially with these young folks. They will carry this with them and the “what if’s” for the rest of their lives.
Sorry Blink and Susanm I somehow missed where you posted the article the first time I read this page. Sorry!!
Hopefully we will learn more about JLM over the next few months. When one compares his earlier alleged sexual assaults when he let his victims live, to his later sexual homicides (I think there are more victims out there) he seems to have evolved over time into a serial sexual homicide offender. Motives of this type of perpetrator are complex and often difficult to tease out unless the offender reveals them. What the vast majority of these offenders have in common is that, at some point in their minds, there is a pairing of sexual arousal and extreme violence.
If anyone is interested in learning about this type of violent offender there is a book entitled “Sexual Homicide” written by Douglas, Burgess and Ressler (FBI).
I am also providing a link to an older paper that was written by a colleague, Dr. Reid Meloy. In this paper that focuses on Sexual Homicide, Meloy writes about paraphilias and expansive fantasizing that this type of offender typically engages in. Blink has talked about this type of serial offender having a “grab bag” of paraphilias and she is spot on. Ted Bundy’s primary paraphilia was necrophilia. TK blended cross dressing and autoerotic activity. Jerry Brudos had a foot fetish. The list goes on and on.
http://66.199.228.237/boundary/hematomania/The_Nature_and_dynamics_of_sexual_homicide.pdf
Roy Hazelwood (ret.FBI) conducts seminars that address the sexual homicide offender and profiling of sex offenders. Very interesting stuff, but definitely not for the faint of heart.
Grace In the Hills- thank you for posting this. I have never met Dr. Meloy, but his work was in my syllabus in my courses with Roy Hazelwood as was the publication by Ann Burgess, Robert Ressler and John Douglas you referenced.
I may have mentioned this previously- but it bears repeating because it stuck with me then, and to this day.
Hazelwood began the course this way:
“… And now, we are going to discuss the type of offender we almost never catch, and if we do, there is usually a large degree of luck involved…
We reviewed about 6 case studies ( actual FBI investigations, including crime scenes, evidence, court records, interviews etc that are not public) and the other point I recall specifically in reference to paraphillias was Hazelwood’s standard “… find one, find more…” Rarely ( if ever, there was no offender to date he was aware of) will there be an offender with just one- Bundy had 7 and BTK had 9. I believe binding was slated to be added to the DSM V. He also reminded us not to pigeonhole offenders without enough info because the exclusion is always the rule when it comes to this type of profile.
You mention that unbreakable bond for this type of offender- sexual arousal and extreme violence. Sadly, when this occurs, it is my education training and experience that it can and usually leads to escalation, increase in participation of sexual fantasy and fantasy continnum to engage this compulsion- and is not treatable in any way. The more complex the crime- the more complex the offender is the rule of thumb.
My jury is still out on how complex JLM is- or was he just the beneficiary of a great deal of luck?
B
the weird thing about jlm going to the police in the first place…I am way confused…why would he do this…I am unclear how he knew the police were on to him…but to go there and request a lawyer? you get a COURT appointed lawyer in court…you request one…have to qualify financially….prove you are indigent…was he indigent? but the police do not for lawyer referrals…and to Jim camblos? he was the big kahuna prosecuted in chville forever…it seems too strange he would agree to take this guy on sight unseen….then rapist boy splits for Texas…in chvillre court appointed lawyers ate fresh out of law school or still very new to practising law….but that guy? I still have not figured out HOW the cops id’d Mathew…yes…there were the CCTV tapes…but he wasn’t wearing a name tag…did they catch his players as he drove away…what made them even think it wsd him to begin with? I keep going around this….how did they know it was him so fast….why on gods earth would he go to the police…what did he say…you might think I a rapist/serial murderer…I am not of course…but just in case …could you give me the number of a free lawyer…preferably one who used to be head prosecuting attorney around here and is possibly the most well connected criminal lawyer short of Scott Goodman….I have no cash on me…and …looks…gotta run…Texas here I come…did he run out of the building….had the police already searched his apt…seized his car by then…how did they know it was him….I am feeling really dumb…realize I may have the sequence mixed up but…IDing him to begin with and then getting camblos without meeting with him…a lawyer like camblos must chg 500$ an hour ayleast…excuse endless looping speculation…I made a list of many things in this case that really do not add up…and this is one of the first
I want to share the following article. In the comment sections, there are statements made by a woman who says she grew up near Jesse Matthew. You have to scroll down a bit, but it is worth the time: she claims Jesse was beaten and abused as a child.
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/neighbors-of-jesse-matthews-mother-speak-out-about-multiple-investigations/29263116?item=1
I hope it’s ok to post this here: if true, the tragedy is exponential.
Thanks for allowing this forum for us to express ideas and thoughts.
Reply to: leslie says: October 25, 2014 at 8:40 am
Leslie, you are right. It really doesn’t add up if Camblos is as reputable as you say. When I first heard of Camblos representing Matthew, I thought that meant he was a disgraced former prosecutor now consigned to small time solo practice, ambulance chasing and un-doing DUI offenses. Hard to tell from here.
If Camblos is a good lawyer and/or civil rights activist at heart, then it does make sense IF: the ‘uncle’ who accompanied JLM and his mother was an important political* personage in the area and made his patronage/sponsorship of ‘nephew’ Jesse known to LE (and thus the legal community) and said something to the effect, “treat him well, get him this particular lawyer or Charlottesville = Ferguson, MO.”
I’ts also possible the ‘uncle’ specified which lawyer they wished to speak with and the appearance at the police station was in itself a warning to LE.
Jesse has nine uncles, not counting grand-uncles, just on his Mother’s side. One or several of them could have some considerable power with the powers that be in the AIE(agitation, incitement and escalation) industry.
From what I have had read, prior to your comment, Camblos had(to some at least) an objectionable or spotty record as a prosecutor that came out when he ran for office. It seems, there were some cases that he did or would not prosecute for reasons unknown, possibly political. Other folks have commended Camblos saying his motivations have always been to protect the community (but did they mean the community at large or a particular segment?).
It’s hard to know how much the cultural tensions in Charlottesville could affect this case, but having followed Sandford and Ferguson, any false narrative could be concocted at the blink of an eye that would galvanize the destructive forces from ganglands all over the regions to be bussed in and much evil and destruction would result.
If the family has political clout, it is likely the folks in LE and Prosecutors offices feel like they are walking on eggshells. America, not just Charlottesville, is also walking on eggshells, and being held hostage at several levels by several powerful groups, that have seemingly joined forces.
All this makes DNA and forensics, plus media integrity, extremely important in this case as well as the Murphy and Harrington cases.
Right now, the Fairfax case seems the strongest and most likely to yield a life sentence without parole (since there were multiple offenses, flight from a warrant, and multiple living witnesses)
Maybe that’s all they will seek due to ‘cultural considerations’ in Charlottesville.
I just hope and pray ‘they’ do not stop dog searches and forensics until every other victim’s body is found and laid properly to rest.
The number of rape and murder victims in Virginia is shocking and deserves a relentless, passionate Longo-style dedicated Special Task Force with whatever they need, dogs, sealed court orders, and carte blanche with the Feds and their formidable technology and resources.
If there is human trafficking, gangs and drugs connected, put a stop to it no matter who is doing it and who it brings down. Zero tolerance.
So says angry mother/grandmother of three daughters, three granddaughters (two lawyers/one paralegal)
Correction: So says angry mother of three daughters (two lawyers/one paralegal) and three granddaughters (one a college freshman).
As you see, I have 6 good reasons, (well 7, another undisclosed and very personal), to be inflamed and obsessed by this case.
Statistics show rape among college athletes exceeds that of fraternities and general population of students.
One study of college athletes – sexual assaults – http://www.ncava.org/statistics.html
Hey Blink, Thanks for allowing me to momentarily invade your site. I have a few thoughts that may be right or wrong. I will admit I have not read enough and that the coffee and grits are not working their magic yet.
I was caught off guard by your statement about his possible complexity. IMHO, he is a dolt with a small understanding of a few things that helped him criminally. Inebriated targets that are cut off from the herd are easier prey, often not needing to be blitzed or receive any violence. (There will be a lot of young women not coming forward to confirm this.) A self confident, educated woman would have no interest in him. This would make him want them even more. Hence, the blitz.
Derrick Todd Lee was considered personable and friendly by the low rent, drunk, nightclub attendees. His victims were educated and attractive. I see many similarities between DTL and Matthew, beyond race.
I would like to hear your thoughts, using full hindsight, on Rader’s cryptic message. For me, it seems to fall into place now. This raises other questions of who knew and when did they know. I would guess that at least a half dozen, maybe many more, opted not to drop that dime. Small town familiarity makes me almost positive that many knew. Once again, they will not be coming forward to crow of their cowardice.
Also, experience brings change to methodology. He almost got in trouble a few times. Ineptitude kept him free to hunt. He learned that live victims tell tales. This created a need to silence them. There are many victims that belong to him. He can clear them up but will not.
And last, he looks nothing like Sketch. This is why they are sketch artists, not sketch scientists. It must be maddening to work from the details of a traumatized victims mind. God bless them for what they do anyway. I really like your old phrase, “full, invasive disclosure.” It will surely elude us here though.
I close now, wishing peace and understanding to the families and all who labor to solve.
RR- my brotha from anotha motha- have missed you! (O/T: congrats for yesterday-what a grab!)
For those who have not read Retired VSP detective Joe Rader’s open letter, it can be found here:
http://articles.wdbj7.com/2012-11-13/morgan-harrington-murder_35094752
I am afraid I am going to disappoint you RR- I personally do not believe Rader had any insight into JLM as a supect, or any particular suspect at all. I think it had more to do with an emotional tie to Morgan’s case and the circumstances with which he retired from VSP. I do think that it was (to the extent he had the training, education and experience to do so) crafted to compel an offender or someone with knowledge to remind them of the reward.
In particular, what is odd is that at the time he drafted the letter- the link to 2005 was known- and I can assure you there were no questions as to “remorse” regarding the vicious and nearly fatal beating and rape that young woman suffered. It is incongruent because the tone of his letter is suggestive that Morgan’s death was accidental- or could have been an accident ( this is cop speak interview tactic 101) and in the letter he suggests that the individual is closely following the case-
If the individual(s) were closely following the case as he suggests, he would know that the same suspect responsible for Morgan was responsible for the 2005 Fairfax assault. However… someone who may not have known him then, or someone who may hold information re a suspect might be reluctant to come forward in Morgan’s case if they knew the 2 incidents were connected because it would make them have to face the fact that perhaps what they were told and believed was untrue.
My belief then, and my belief today is the same- it is my opinion that letter was written to what is called a compliant victim of the suspect. More than likely the shirt planter. Linguistically- and I mean no disrespect to Lt. Rader- if that is the case, it was ill-researched and poorly executed in terms of investigative strategy.
As an example- something like this could provoke another attack- or say an attack on that “compliant victim” if perhaps the suspect was unaware they had (if they had) spoken with LE, or might assume that they now would.
I have no doubt that Rader is a good guy whose intentions were good- however, that endeavor is not one that he was trained for, and could have caused more harm than good.
I am on the record that I have my doubts that Morgan’s case will be litigated- it is far more likely that Fairfax or Graham will be prosecuted successfully and at that point Matthew would plea. OR… Camblos will seek a plea to at least those 3 cases simultaneously- LWOP. In my view, it is too soon to call as I believe strongly there are more victims.
I am also on the record that Morgan’s killer would be caught when he re-offended, and there is not much I would not have given to be wrong about that- as I am discoverable in her case, that’s as much as I am comfortable saying about that issue.
It is my sincere hope that a complete and transparent review of Morgan’s investigation is conducted by the AG/DOJ. Not because we can turn back the clock- but because if we have folks in investigative roles that do not have the proper training and supervision then we need to afford them the opportunity to engage those resources effectively.
With the sincere hopes of “saving the next girl.”
Yes sir- “invasive disclosure” is required now.
Want to comment on buzzard activity. Deer season with a bow starts early. Youth day is September 25th I believe. Some counties in Virginia start early as October 4th. Ours did. Not only buzzards but the coyote move around a lot soon as this starts. I’m sure LE had many calls on such activity and likely had to go through the searches from calls in the order they came in. Sadly the local news articles I’ve read comments on are bashing the 70 something year old lady who owned the property for not “searching it as she should have” in a timely manner. Apparently she owns about 500 acres total.
As a landowner with a 240 acre parcel I promise you it’s a herculean task to check out every corner of such a piece of land. We have spots we’ve never stepped foot on due to the lay of the land. Dangerous to traverse. Not only that, but if I needed someone to search it for me there are only a handful of people familiar enough to not even get hopelessly lost in the process! One has to understand where to access certain areas and what deer paths (literally) to walk down or wind up tangled in such thick brush it’s easy to get disoriented.
My concern now is how many bodies did Matthews hide in the area? Hopefully no others, but logic says that’s probably not the case :<(
@leslie. imo his mother & uncle
believed he was innocent and drug
him in to tell his story. Imo things
changed when I suspect he was
Mirandized, or Morgan’s
name was dropped, or he
was asked for a dna swab.
Hey B-
I read somewhere that Jesse’s DNA was in a state databank and not the federal database. I didn’t realize states were separate and not automatically included in a national database.
I bring this up because I lived in DC for two summers and know how close together those states are. On the metro in DC, one minute your in Maryland then Fairfax, VA. I just did some googling and realized I went floating on the Shenandoah River and know that it runs through West VA too.
With the fairly close proximity of other states to Fairfax and our perp traveling the state to commit his crimes…it’s possible he has victims in other states.
How would the separate databases (and the requirement to request a DNA search) keep them from seeing if his DNA matched any other cases there?
Pep- I am having difficulty getting confirmation on exactly what databases Matthew’s DNA was submitted as an unsub. That said, I may not be in a position to discuss publicly when and if I do. It may have to do with the sample (s) requirements for submission to either or both.
B
Hi Blink,
I had submitted a comment this morning that earlier showed “in moderation”. Now it seems to have disappeared, so maybe I had a computer malfunction. I hope I didn’t post anything inappropriate.
I had posted a link to an article with comments from a childhood neighbor of Jesse. She states that Jesse was beaten and abused by his dad as a child. I don’t know if the comments are accurate, but interesting nonetheless. You have to scroll down a bit to find them.
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/neighbors-of-jesse-matthews-mother-speak-out-about-multiple-investigations/29263116?item=1
Look for comments by Ingrid Bryant.
It’s up H.D. once it is posted you no longer see it in moderation on your end.
B
leslie
You must give LE credit for doing proper police work regarding JM by recognizing him from the video. It has been stated that JM was a frequent patron of the clubs and restaurants along the mall. There were the distinctive trousers that he wore. I am saying that LE knew who he was from his clothing and other behaviors. They also could find his residence quickly and did so. Good LE personnel get to recognize and know who someone is by their frequent appearance in an area.
Thanks for your link Graceinthehills regarding behaviors of sexual serial killers. I have read it through once,but will give it another read or two to get all the details. One of the interesting categories covered in the paper was that of adolescents who acted in this manner.
We have no certain knowledge at this point regarding JM and his behaviors. However, I think LE was able to find some physical links to both Hannah and Morgan when they searched his apartment and the Chrysler auto. He may have kept something from each of them to remind him of the encounter so that it could be relived via fantasy or day dreaming.
From the young woman that tutored JM where he was reading at first grade level rather than college level is an indicator that he failed to learn that valuable skill while developing others such as football to the point of securing a collage scholarship. Youth can do some things because they like them and refuse others until they are forced by circumstance to learn them.
I am old enough to remember when the majority of black farmers lacked the skills of reading and writing. Some could not write their name in cursive or even print it. Remember the young woman in the Trayvon Martin case that could not read or write cursive and she was about to or did get a high school diploma.
This brings up the question of how did JM read well enough to take the Va. written license test to secure a chauffeurs rating? I think that JM played the help me please card to the hilt so that others would feel sorry for him and give him what he wanted. This is probably what enabled him to stay under LE radar for fourteen or more years.
I just read a report of fake courses made up for football and basketball players at Duke University so that grade points could be kept above 2.0 allowing the individuals to continue to play. They are in big trouble for this. Makes one question all the rest of the schools regarding major money making sports. I believe a real good look at Liberty University may find similar activities.
They are posted- and it’s all good AFG.
B
Trying hard to catch up
Re A Florida Grandmother says:
October 24, 2014 at 8:25 pm
Apologies – this is the FBI article I meant to post and quoted statistics:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/october/serial-killers-part-8-new-research-aims-to-help-investigators-solve-cases/serial-murder-pathways-for-investigations
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AFG I forgot to Welcome to BOC nice to have you here with us
Ive learned so much from yr recent posts.
thanks for the link AFG-
It is very informative wow-
You wrote earlier:
the latest FBI study shows the motive absolutely is sexual – not control – as we all previously thought. It’s just that their gratification involves violence and worse.
Respectfully and kindly AFG I must point out that
No – this study does not state that the motive for rape is absolutely sexual and no longer is rape motivated by control or power
Rape can be sexually motivated but it need not be
Violence can be a part of it but it may not be
however, control and power always are a part of it as with out exerting or gaining control/ power over the victim
there would be no rape-
Motivations are complex and can be many its so difficult to try to discuss as it requires isolation or oversimplifying that just doesnt lend itself to the complete truth
So I apologize if my efforts to discuss resulted in an over simplification
—this study is on Serial Murderers not on rapists
Although this study incorporates findings on Serial sexual murderers it does not incorporate offenders who are solely rapists but not killers
For instance it does not include acquaintance rape etc
This study focused on just 92 offenders involving 480 cases
offenders were Serial murderers to include sexual serial murderers
Offenders who intended to murder
Therefore The FBI study can not and does not negate any of the earlier studies done on rape
nor does this study override the findings by Keppel and Walter 1999) who adopted the rapist typologies originally devised by Groth et al(1977) and converted them into homicide categories which include offenders that killed but death may have been secondary, that is not intended or as Blink said: It can be an absolute “side effect”
Back to the link-
The FBI study itself points out the problem with LE applying the earlier findings or typology especially by Keppel and Walter (1999) is that they offer:
minimal assistance to law enforcement working on-going serial murder cases since they are cumbersome to use, and therefore may not help to identify an unknown offender
end snip-
So Im not sure that this study can be applied directly to rape/rapists and their victims
But it is extremely informative
-Thanks again AFG- the link is awesome and I am so relieved to know that research continues and therefore so does hope
AJMo peace
Still catching up
Re leslie says:
October 22, 2014 at 11:00 pm
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Leslie I apologize for not picking up on yr stance
No one wants to be raped
I agree Rapes occur nomatter how the victim is dressed
“provocative” is subjective
Most of us here discussing feel Morgan and hannah were dressed conservatively- that wasnt always the case- nor is it the stance of many outthere in the public-
as you pointed out the FFax site is full of those who are engaging in trial by clothing
Again “provocative” “respectable” “appropriate” is subjective
Just like Blink with her Beautiful mini me- Morgans mom helped her to make clothing choices which
1 complimented her
2 appropriate for the event the weather etc
Hannah was dressed appropriately too
Her attire could be called sporty
None were scantily dressed
Yet there are those who say they were dressed slutty or that they should have went even further in covering up
No college man or woman is going to wear a knee length coat on a cool night -walking to and from parties over long distances is exercise
If scanty clothing was the trigger most rapes would be that of cheerleaders ballerinas- lifeguards and so on
Clothing does not safeguard against rape
I agree rapes occur in puritan society’s to nuns in habits women in burkas etc
We all give our sons and daughters advice we all work to help our children choose appropriate outfits
and we all work to instill self respect and other important values to our children both boys and girls.
We all want our kids to be safe and to act and dress in a respectful manner
Still Rapists rape nomatter the values or clothing choices of their intended victims It comes down to
opportunity and vulnerability
-thinking conservative clothing choices is a form of
self defense or a deterrent to rape only helps the perp and defense pass blame it helps paint victims as wanting it or looking for it – and in doing so-
The rapists walk and the victim is found guilty
Which
works to prevent many victims coming forward to prosecute because they fear something they
wore said or did or
failed to- will be scrutinized and held against them
so the perp remains free to rape
AJMO peace
I think the person they call the big teddy bear, is capable of extreme violence. Morgan’s broken bones.
I found the characterization and others like it, a way for those close to him to find a description they were asked to, that might address the negative and positives they saw of his behavior. In other words, “the big teddy bear” was and is a media term.
There is a reason that very, very few people that knew him well- to include coaches ( he played 3 years folks) are saying anything. I have learned that is a fairly good indication of a lack of surprise on their part.
B