Hannah Graham Body Located: Sources Say Tip Led To Her Recovery
Breaking News: The body of Hannah Elizabeth Graham has been recovered.
Press Conference involving multiple agencies to be held momentarily.
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okeydokey…either track down georgiafla’s comments on conservative treehouse/Hannah grahams remains identified…she has a fe comments in a row…at the bottom of one…it says..LINK…it takes you to websleuths…there is a diagram of all the threads…one is..HANNAH GRAHAM MAPS and TIMELINES no discussion…the poster who contributed this incredibly detailed an complete timeline is…shutterbug22 at10/23/14 at8:01…this list will blow your mind…it is chronological…football games..assets…disappearances…traffic.
.since 2000…something rotten in chvillei
Here is one example of a former relationship with the family-
University of Virginia Students Arrested for Murder Oct 1998
http://tech.mit.edu/V118/N50/virginia.10.1.50n.html
http://www.readthehook.com/66467/carlton-arnold-convicted-killer-arrested-uva-robbery-assaults
well, as Camblos was a prosecutor, what could his
“family relationships” have been?
geeze Eloise, I was thinking
cooking, housekeeper, yardwork,
repairman.
@Eloise. So is she JM’s cousin?
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=shiree&mn=&ln=carr&age=&city=&state=VA&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=77&y=17
http://tech.mit.edu/V118/N50/virginia.10.1.50n.html
it’s a miracle she was not charged by Camblos at all,
not punished by UVA, and walked right into a job she still holds.
Who is Christine Carr’s “patron of progeny”, because it has to go
back up to that level if these are cousins.
And imo it’s a Charlottesville honcho member of the
Bar or law firm partner. Maybe a leading physician.
Don’t wish Shiree ill, she’s led an adjusted life for 13 years.
But justice under Camblos was very unequal in her instance.
@Eloise—is this Carr individual from 1998 connected to this Matthew clan? If so it does appear that Camblos has a long association with.
Thanks erose for the link about the UVA rape case.
It raised my blood pressure to read it. A small college city like Charlottesville is thought of by the university or college as their town. Many of the jobs in the public sector will have links to the school. Opportunities for conflict of interest abound.
This exists for most colleges or universities across the entire country. The only way out is to take anything to do with LE or investigation for medical reasons away from them. The desire to protect a reputation is often too strong and overcomes the will to do the proper and legal thing.
The states need to investigate every college in their jurisdiction for similar behavior. However, nothing will change until parents of students join together in an organized effort to correct it.
It appears that some people at UVA may have broken the law with their invalid advice and decisions. The school council should be disbanded and told they have no authority by the State Attorney General.
Rapes should be reported to the local LE agency and that agency should have a trained officer, a female, to advise and guide the victims. Any person who perpetrates a rape or is accused should be investigated until the facts prove it to be true or false.
Thanks to the internet and blogs as this one, the bad behavior can no longer be hidden as in the past.
1.susan says:
October 26, 2014 at 6:11 pm
I’m wondering if the current defense strategy is shaping up to be portraying the suspect as a functional but retarded person who simply did not have the IQ to mesh with society, but society failed him somehow. While I do think this was a failure of “some levels of society such as the accommodaters in the courts and colleges, and certainly the family had some indications of serious problems????” especially with all of the enabling which was pandered out, awarding jobs and positions of trust as well as College acceptances, the real victims here are the girls, not jlm. We are all the real victims here, in fact. It could have been anyone’s daughter snatched up and left for dead, while this individual was not looked at twice due to his “roots.”
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The diagnosis of Mental Retardation has replaced by the term “Intellectual Disability” in the DSM V. I am sure everyone can guess why. I am not well-versed in Virginia law, but in my state a diagnosis of an Intellectual Disability would likely be used as mitigation in the sentencing phase, particularly in a death penalty trial.
I haven’t heard anyone say (not yet, at least) that JLM is a victim or that society failed him, and I would suggest that would not be a successful defense should he eventually be charged with a capital crime and decide to take his chances with a jury.
As Blink has said about this particular defendant, he was able to slip under fences for 14 years without being charged for any of these alleged offenses. This pattern is not out of the ordinary for serial sexual offenders, some of whom seem to have an uncanny ability to evade detection. I am not sure we can say that his family “enabled” him with no evidence that they realized what he was up to in the wee hours of the morning when he went out trolling for victims. Are there individuals out there who may be aware of his “proclivities” and crimes? It would not surprise me. It also would not surprise me if none of his friends knew.
Btw, I saw JLM’s high school pics today and with a slimmer frame and short hair he does resemble sketch (he certainly doesn’t now, imo).
AJMO.
Blink, I am not as up to speed on some of his potential victims’ cases as I am on Morgan, Hannah and what we learned of the 2005 victim from Morgans case. Don’t they have any DNA from any of these other potential victims ?
@erose. wrt ” to nothing had happened to me in her lay report to the Panel”
Laughton should have been suspended & investigated by a UVA IG.
However imo this was Institutional culture at play, &
Laughton knew her expected tole.
@Eloise, That unknown 16 year old would now be 32 years of age.
@Eloise, I should have read your second link before posting. Of course Arnold would be in Mathhew’s peer group.
Another article about the ’98 incident.
snips>
Court records show on September 22, 1998 Arnold and three of his friends were partying at the University Heights Apartment complex.
Shortly before 2:00 a.m., they pull into the Shell station parking lot, where Hassan is taking a break on the front porch of the station
Arnold fires 11 bullets into 31-year-old, Osama Hassan’s body. Arnold then robs the station’s cash register before fleeing.
According to court documents, Arnold had just begun his freshman year at Charlottesville High School, repeating the grade for the second time because of a mental disability.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P9DhadQgrcoJ:www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/104179624.html+&cd=28&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
October 25, 2014 at 11:22 pm
I just feel the need to address how Hannah was dressed and how some folks have an issue with it. SO WHAT?? Her stomach was showing! Yes, she showed her stomach! For the love of god, stop already! She is not responsible for her demise. A jackass, seemingly serial killer is. I hope he gets dead. I know that’s not a proper statement, but you don’t want my to post what I really feel.
I think we have sufficiently exhausted this topic in context.
B
Yes, on this site, but just was getting it out of my system about every other comment section on other sites. How did she get alcohol and why was dressed like that. OMG. Does not matter at this point. Sorry. Frustrated at the victim blaming.
You kids have been busy this past weekend and I have not had the chance to go through it all. Trying to keep my girl safe and sound and preferably locked in the attic every weekend, but that’s not happening, so I am doing what I need to do.
I don’t think there is a law about stalking your own child…
Poor Hannah, Alexis, Morgan, Samantha..and all the others and their families. I cannot imagine. Thanks B.
@Rose, You’re right. And I think advice to a college rape vic should not only be to call the police, but choose another hospital besides the university hospital, and find out who is married to the DA. Sheesh.
@Rose, Another (un)Happy Valley.
@ATG, I agree with your recommendation. I also think any schools receiving any federal money should be subject to federal laws and policies that protect the students not the institutions. I am sick and tired of school districts and universities thinking they are sovereign nations, from the tiny little red school house in Portland to the Big Ten Pig Penns.
A Texas Grandfather says:
October 27, 2014 at 6:52 pm
Camblos is determined to provide his client with a strong defense, especially knowing Matthew is being vilified by people who have not viewed the evidence – - evidence, which could eventually be used in a capital murder trial.
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=893&sid=3729621
2007
What some of his detractors had to say about his career.
Why Jim Camblos Must Not Be Reelected
http://cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/
erose- that link did not work for me.
B
A Texas Grandfather says:
October 26, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Thanks MsLiberty for the correction about the school fraud in North Carolina. It is in fact as you state. I am very well aware of the prosecutor that was looking for a chip to insure his re-election regarding the Duke Lacrosse team. The state legal community took care of the situation regarding the prosecutor, but it could not repair the personal damage to those students and coaches that were affected.
Regardless of my name mistake, I think it is time for the NCAA to begin investigating all the ways a school can cheat to insure that players of major sports meet the minimum grade point requirements.
ATG- They do to a degree, but by keeping a tight eye on things they also will diminish the talent pool greatly, and that cuts into revenue, and we all know how the NCAA is when it comes to revenue.. UNC IS NOT a big time football school, so the NCAA could really care less.. Football brings in billions for the NCAA while basketball brings in a fraction of that. UNC athletic dept as a whole only makes roughly $66 million annually which puts them 30th in Division 1. By comparison the football powerhouse Alabama ranks number 1 making $124 million annually; while their basketball program is one step above a joke. Before the NCAA is worrying about kids making grades to use their college programs as a stepping stone to the NFL, NHL, NBA, or MLB they should maybe try and quit exploiting student athletes and pay the kids already. It’s no secret that big time D-1 athletes get taken care of one way or the other and I have plenty of stories bc I saw it firsthand at Pitt.. Who is to say that JM didn’t get 700 on his SAT or the 15 on his ACT? They might have changed it but it was 700 during the late 90′s when I took them. I have a feeling this dude isn’t as dumb as some are letting on.
Blink I think I used this name the last time I posted, it’s been like 2 years so when you get my email address I’m not using another name on purpose.. I got a new laptop so the old name went bye-bye
*** Correction Texas is #1 with $165 million and UNC is #30 at $82 million*
How reliable is the Roanoke Times? Bc the article that was posted on Oct 23 is a head shaker for sure…
http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/morgan-harrington-s-t-shirt-the-key-connection-to-jesse/article_2a3de3e3-71ab-5f58-a822-b7ad556c673f.html
Any normal defense attorney would have a field day with a vital piece of evidence being located and then dismissed for hours and only turned over to police after remembrance on a car drive some few hours later.. It wouldn’t be difficult at all to bring reasonable doubt into the equation during a trial if this article is legit. Oh there’s blood on the shirt? Well my client had a cut on his hand and noticed the shirt laying on the bushes and just so happened to touch it. Oh there’s saliva on the shirt? Well my client just so happened to spat on it as it was laying on the bushes. As for the last fluid you can fill in the blank, but being a chronic master blanker might cause doubt for someone remedial. I don’t understand how the Pantera shirt ” didn’t quite match the description given by police” either.. Really? How is that even possible? Now don’t go jumping to conclusions and assume I’m saying this fool is innocent bc that’s hardly the case. All I’m saying is a piece of critical evidence sat unoccupied from the time BE returned from class until he remembered driving to Richmond hours later. JM attorney is gonna be all over that.
bp3- It was not the best description of the tshirt, that is correct, some time later I posted a correct image. I have been saying for years while the shirt connection is solid ( what are the chances that his DNA is found on the confirmed tshirt of a missing then, murdered woman and also tied to a violent attempted murder and sexual assault placed on a bush within visual proximity of his employer?) if there is a jury it will be their burden to decide what weight to give it- that is if LE cannot connect the chain of custody to who put it there. It is what it is.
But you missed the most important line in that article:
*new forensic link*
B
Charlottesville is a small, quaint, artsy, historic town. Everyone works for the university or the hospital. The people of Charlottesville have to put an end to the culture of look the other way. They have to adopt a stick your nose in culture and clean lovely Charlottesville up.
If this has been asked already I apologize. Is it possible someone else was involved and returned to the farm to get Morgans tee shirt? Could they have possibly thought this would ensure JLM would be arrested?
I do not believe the pantera shirt was ever at AF.
B
One would be hard pressed to find a large portion of the population of Charlottesville and surrounding counties who do not have some sort of connection to the business that is the University of Virginia. After all, including the physical plant, health system and college, the University is the largest employer in the area. Add to that the fact that many graduates are either from the area or choose to remain or return to the area, and the connection is huge. That does not mean that a person with his/her own high ethical standards is suspect because of a connection.
With regard to why Jesse Matthew’s family chose Mr. Camblos, I think that picture is becoming a lot clearer. I read that his Mom and an uncle accompanied him to the police station. It’s my guess that it immediately became clear to them that Jesse needed an attorney, that he wasn’t being looked at as just the big harmless regular on the mall. Maybe it’s wrong to characterize Mr. Camblos as having a prior relationship with the family which could signify some degree of friendship. They certainly knew of him from his investigation and decision not to prosecute Shiree if she is Jesse Matthew’s cousin. If it’s true that an uncle was with him on the brief visit to CPD, does anyone know that uncle’s relationship to Shiree?
I’m a Charlottesville resident to I didn’t pay a lot of attention to Mr.Camblos’ last election, but it is my understanding that part of his defeat were the cases he chose not to prosecute or else worked out a plea deal. Maybe they were legally sound, but they did not look good to enough people that he was booted from an office he had held for years. I hope he provides Jesse Matthew with the best defense possible. It he is tried and convicted either in Fairfax or here in the Charlottesville area, I don’t want there to be any grounds for appeal because of insufficient defense representation. I am afraid we could already see the groundwork being laid for a defense based on mental competence. I won’t say he is guilty because he hasn’t been tried, but if he is the killer/predator LE believes, I want him locked away for the rest of his natural life. I support the death penalty, but I’m not sure I want the killer of Morgan and Hannah to get off that easy. If Jesse Matthew is guilty, he could have 40 or more years of life left to live. Let him live that life in a maximum security prison, locked away, chained, miserable and in fear for his life from other bigger, meaner inmates for the rest of his miserable life.
Has anyone looked at the list on websleuths…it really isn’t hard to find…look at the table of contents…Hannah Morgan maps and timelines
Re
bp3 says:
October 28, 2014 at 6:20 am
Thanks for the link-
I entertain all of yr same concerns BP3
Unfortunately LEs handling of the shirt find and talk/media surrounding the shirt find can be a double-edged sword.
If not for the definite connection to the FF rape in which a lone brutal attacker beat raped and strangled a young woman and was stopped by a passerby
I believe it wouldnt be that hard for a good defense attorney to paint the perp as the “helper” and planter of the shirt- Not the rapist murderer and in doing so could paint his images on camera with another victim Hannah Graham as nothing more than his going out of his way to aid a vulnerable woman in distress yet again- saying something along the lines of saying:
ladies and gentlemen of the jury all my client did was give a ride to Hannah he spent sometime with her- She was fine last he saw her- the same storyline could be told in Morgans case as well- ladies and gentlemen of the jury- my client did nothing bad to Morgan Harrington- he saw a lone vulnerable woman out in the cold- he helped her- gave her a ride to such a such a location after spending some time with her- yeah she accidentally left her shirt behind but when he left her all was well…
I didnt come forward because I was scared- not by my guilt but by what I knew would look like guilt….
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Blink- I did notice that tidbit- I also noticed that BE didnt note the day as Nov 11 only LE – not sure if that means anything but I did notice it- and I agree if all 3 cases are tried the jury will decide any weight- but I do believe they are gonna try the FF case first with good reason – depending on the length of any sentence handed out there- they may decide not to move forward with Hannahs or Morgans case -too many unknown variables couple with too much talk
AJMO Peace
If Hannah’s murder case is strong, it will go first because it qualifies as a capital case. There is also the remote possibility that these CA’s find themselves consulting with Federal prosecutors as I opined earlier- too soon to know what else is out there and then balance the best jurisdiction.
B
Also notable about the Pantera t-shirt…it was apparently placed there in broad daylight.
“It was not there when I was going to class and it was there when I returned,” said the student who noticed the shirt displayed on the bushes.
tarheellvr says:
October 26, 2014 at 9:47 pm
You are welcome tarheellvr- I am sorry for yr pain-
I appreciate you letting me bounce off yr post- its a really important subject to me too-
Most people would be surprised just how many victims are silenced by their fear of judgement and self guilt over nothing more than a false idea of “shared blame”
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Erose thanks for bring “Jane Doe” to our attention- so wrong- Now I have a better understanding of what Blink meant by UVA rape panels
jessejane says:
October 26, 2014 at 4:59 pm
So, are Blanca and Popcorn the same dog?
— I wondered if they were of the same family line
Indahlia says:
October 27, 2014 at 12:53 am
This article includes some positive quotes from two of Morgan Harrington’s friends. There are also a couple of interesting quotes from her parents.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/morgan-harrington-family-prays-justice-slain-virginia-tech-student/story?id=9701648&page=2
– thanks for that link- IIRC they also spoke at the vigils and it has been said that the harringtons-asked them not to talk-
I cant speak for Blink but I understand her feelings and have felt the same in the past- many who followed this case- felt many of their talk behaviors were selfish-
we cant unsee or unhear
their pics of pretending to Hitch hike at the searches or complaining of not wanting to be there etc
I have come to believe that they were young and selfish engaged in the ugliest of coping-but they did care for Morgan and what happened
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However I am not trying to say others feelings are wrong ormust change I just think differentlt- now
- That friend of Hannahs on vid was very articulate and my heart goes out to her and all Hannahs friends
I just dont know if one can compare her friendship grief and willingness to speak to the grief and willingness of Morgans friends as – many in the public from the get go felt they were to blame-in some fashion keys drink car etc-
Was this friend one of those out with hannah earlier- if not then the myriad of feelings have to be different
Just my two cents
AJMO
Here is the link to the page Leslie refers to that presents a timeline of JLM’s traffic violations, missing women in VA, etc.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?257624-Hannah-Graham-MAPS-amp-TIMELINES-**NO-DISCUSSION**&p=11125831#post11125831
AFG- I simply cannot and will not post allegations of sexual offenses that are unfounded speculation by anonymous people or any other “possible” case attachments with no known nexus.
B
Camblos
maybe the cashed link will work.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:THkPxtjdRXEJ:cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I’ve tried to post a link to Waldo Jaquith’s articles on Camblos, now four separate times, all fails.
oops: cached link
Oh thank you lucky black pearl….I sm still do freaked out by this awful list….it speaks volumes….it days….Jessie Mathew was here…and there and…just about everywhere…hey….hg and my at least had friends…most of these ladies were so not missed they remain unidentified….if you ck all the reports on all 40+ missing women more than half are anonymous….all in jlms little reign of terror….
I miscounted the missing….more like 30 I think I was so flipped I could not think straight
You are right bp3 about the 165 million that the University of Texas earns from athletic related activities. About 95 million of that is the marketing of clothing and other gear by Walmart and other stores.
There are several Walmart stores where I shop in our area. They all have an area of about 400sq.ft. dedicated to UT & T. A&M gear. The majority of the floor space is to UT. Walmart stores all have a required earnings per sq.ft. minimum that must be met to keep merchandise in their display area.
Mom3.0
Even though I thought that Morgan’s friends did not do the right thing, I feel the same way you expressed about their pain. Children have to be taught to care for others beginning at an early age. When that teaching is deficient, their natural selfishness takes over.
They will know the rest of their lives that they failed their friend, if they have a conscience.
I always told my boys that if they asked a young lady out to an event, they were responsible for getting them safely home. No excuse would be adequate if they didn’t. The girls were told that they had a part of that responsibility too. If they went on a date and the boy was not what he should be or took them somewhere that was dubious, they were to call home immediately and I or one of the older boys would come and get them. This was long before cell phones were in the market.
College is a whole new experience for all young people. Some, when released from the watchful eye of parents or older siblings will ignore all the things they were taught in an effort to experiment. Most of the time they get away with it, but sometimes they pay a big price for the experience.
I was able to access the link from erose’s comments. I knew about the service station shootings and the debacle with the prosecution and the fact that no charges were ever placed in the Deane traffic deaths. I had no idea there were so many other cases. If everything posted in the article from The Hook is true, I truly hope Mr. Camblos does a better job of defending Jesse Matthew. I don’t want there to be any questions of an appeal for an incompetent or inadequate defense if he’s convicted.
@Belsma. OT
re stalking your own child–I have an
agreement while I pay the tuition from hell,
I have access to the university
email acct (not the private one).
While we have access to her U
business (grades, assignments, and so on),
I never go there.
What via U email I am on top of, and shocked at,
is the Sorority join (nat’l reputable) this year,
and the sports, and the job schedule a bit.
Where I have not kept up or checked in the last 2 years,
it’s been to her disadvantage.
I am so shocked Mixers at Frats are always 10 pm -12 am, except tomorrow
ostensibly Halloween til 2 am (a school nite!)
The first one this year, I read she was a sober moniter.
I gave her Heck as I said when girls are upstairs
in rooms at 12 am at last call being ahemed, or in alchol tox, & you check out
without room searches, who is liable? Thank goodness a fool she’s now
done with to had signed her up, & she didn’t know she had to
be there at the crack of 10 pm & due to an academic perf conflict she couldn’
& got out of it.
Then there’s the ncaa sports club team this year. First email before any tournament was a “Club” date nite that said “dress like high school prom” and does anyone know a Club that will serve under 18s?
Now she bucked her whole high school team of drunks and didn’t limo with them when they got their whole HS barred from a hotel. So, I said to her, why change your stripes in college to club with Cheerleaders from rural Ohio (the sorority)? So the important thing Mothers, is to insist their U email access is a tradeoff for tuition, and then as their “Secretary” actually help them in ways they find valuable. But kniwledge if their pressures gives talking opportunities (or Thou Shalt Nots).
Btw her school is an A++ Clery dchiol with constant email notices to her re
crimes of person or attempts on campus & in abutting town almost simultaneous with police reports.
@Blink. imo in VA, County DAs are probably
better able to try capital cases than Federal.
That comes down to one thing- evidence. I would likely agree with you if circumstances stay relatively static. There are different rules in discovery in Federal court- in essence, there really isn’t any. It is full on adversarial. It is just going to depend ultimately where the outline of his crimes lay logistically, and the quality of their anticipated prosecutions. JLM will never see the outside again, and the last factor I presume would involve any accomplices.
B
UVA Alums correct me–I know zero about Board of Visitors, although I know some of them & Parents’ Commitee.
HuffPost said we today–what college can prepare for death?
—-
I was dismayed to read, UVA Board of Visitors seeks to muzzle its own:
(Imo such questions arise when a Board is not cohesive, but dysfunctional & polarized–
and there are legal concerns.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-board-of-visitors-considers-limiting-public-dissent/2014/07/30/b0133d38-1828-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html
An Inbreeding example
“Visitor wanted Son-in-law reappointed & failed.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/McDonnell-Testimony-Reveals-Inner-Workings-of-UVa-Board-of-Visitors-272888701.html?device=phone&c=y
Future mtgs & agendas not listed
http://www.virginia.edu/bov/upmeeting.html
I briefly looked at Audit Comm Minutes for Clery & didn’t find.
—–
On scanning Gov O’Donnell & McAuliffe appointments, my vague impression is they are primarily not political, altho political may be the veneer, but derive from business & social ties. they translate to “everything is fine” or “Let’s move the Institution forward, and not look back.” Like Happy Valley BoT.
Unlike PSU, I do not see specific alum elective seats, tho no doubt most if not all Visitors are alumns. All but a student seem Gov appointed.
I recognize several BoV members, but one stands out–a Potomac parent & Board member during the Kloman era
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/potomac-school-investigation-uncovers-more-alleged-abuse/2014/06/30/57abfa0e-0072-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
They knew.
I found a statement by the same UVA BoV member wrt a prior “Head” in McLean,
which broke my heart as it revealed she recruited, and then stood behind, a Head whom no one
(most parents, the competent staff & Div heads), could figure out how someone so failed an Admin & educator remained. Although he found the secret was build, build, build.
She is someone no NoVA Board businessman/woman would have bucked to ask for Head accountability. Lovely school grounds (she said) = A+ management. (goal displacement)
So with BofVs committed to Let’s Move Forward,
there will be the degree
of progress there has been in Happy Valley without Board
of Visitors reform.
I would like to think Sullivan will rise above her Board.
Huff Post said weLL today–what college can preoare?
Grace in the Hills says:
As Blink has said about this particular defendant, he was able to slip under fences for 14 years without being charged for any of these alleged offenses. This pattern is not out of the ordinary for serial sexual offenders, some of whom seem to have an uncanny ability to evade detection. I am not sure we can say that his family “enabled” him with no evidence that they realized what he was up to in the wee hours of the morning when he went out trolling for victims. Are there individuals out there who may be aware of his “proclivities” and crimes? It would not surprise me. It also would not surprise me if none of his friends knew.
Grace, all due respect, but this individual was removed from two Colleges for rape/assault of some ilk. Most families would be aware of that change of status— even if totally disengaged from reality.
At least they might have been aware that somehow “gentle leroy” wasn’t enrolled and playing football at Liberty, and then CNU? That really should have been enough to tip this family off that something was not quite right here. It is a slippery slope when this kind of willful blindness starts getting excused and we are tempted to say “nobody knew.” I don’t buy that. Any family member in their right mind would have questioned the two removals from two colleges which were both losses of prized football scholarships—- and asked the reason.
susan- if I am reading you correctly you are supposing anyone here is saying his family did not know or suspect these allegations- That is not the case, and not my personal opinion either- what I have been trying to express is that until there is confirmed data- confirmation that any of your allegations toward the family as to cognitive dissonance can’t be founded yet.
I do not disagree whatsoever it would seem negligent, (my words) that members of his family would not have known at least enough to question but I offer this- I can tell you as a point of fact that when dealing with NCAA eligibility and funding (athletic in particular) that all of those associated matters include the student only with their coaches or advisors, period. Wrt to the rape allegations- they are also private, especially when the victim decides to withdraw or recant. The issue I have with that, and I submit I do not have the facts of the individual cases to draw from- but if we just look at UVA protocol for filing a rape complaint, no damn wonder these women pull out. Who can blame them? It is absolutely disgraceful what these women are subjected to and I daresay it is in conflict with statute as I have stated numerous times.
In addition, it is my understanding that at a minimum, several immediate members of JLM family have substantive issues that would keep them fairly self-centered on their own problems.
Lastly- to Grace’s point- I am telling you that I have studied countless serial offenders of all sorts of motivations and crimes, with specificity in those similar to Matthew, and they are experts at evasion- that is how they are able to become “serial” in the first place. Consider this fact- have you seen one person, one individual that knows Matthew personally- come out and say- I always thought he was capable of this.
Let me tell you, I have been doing this for some time, and I can state with certainty this is incongruent as to how these cases usually go. Usually when someone like this is caught- the “friends” and co-workers are crawling out of the woodwork for their 15 minutes saying plenty and the only statements I have seen are those that felt he was kind, gentle, funny, compassionate and they still cannot believe these charges. And you can’t count the bartender, I know who he is, in my view LE should be speaking with him directly.
He had a friend whose “friend” he pulled his hamstring, and he harassed the ladies he was with all evening and his take on it was that “he’s very affectionate and physical and sometimes goes overboard.”- Johnson has known him 9 years. I do not think there is some grand conspiracy- I think Matthew may be dumb like a fox.
It is also highly possible this type of offender can have cognitive disabilities that may allow him to be perceived as of lower learning capability or intelligence- but quite savvy in his verbal acuity for his intended purpose. I am not going to buy this kid was the slingblade of Charlottesville either, but I am simply positing the possibility that those who should have been “in the know” were not.
B
Another case of rape in Charlottesville by a man named Chris Matthew:
(scroll down to second article)http://justicedenied.org/issue/issue_31/malaysia_jd31.pdf
Wonder if this man is any relation to JM and his father?
hope I am not the most annoying person ever…two weird things tho…tempo is a very nice restaurant…for some reason..they seem to have tried to cultivate a huo nightlife bar angle…money no doubt…but jlm still must have stuck out like crazy…chville is a very snobby place…I am not sure how to put into words how weird he would seem at the places where he seemed to go…just NOT the usual way there…I lived there most of my life….also I missed the Hannah was a nursing student…and that woman who is head of the nursing program is married to Claude worrell the guy who gave our boy a pass or two…
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Florida Grandmother says:
October 29, 2014 at 6:15 am
Another case of rape in Charlottesville by a man named Chris Matthew:
(scroll down to second article)http://justicedenied.org/issue/issue_31/malaysia_jd31.pdf
Wonder if this man is any relation to JM and his father?
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Yes, I believe he does have a relative with that name, now whether they are the same I cannot say.
I meant to tack this onto AFG’s post, but missed it- Eloise, would you mind if I point out that Matthew was not convicted or tried for that rape allegation, but a name I am also familiar with was.
B
Below is the article that Florida Grandmother is speaking of. I couldn’t get the link to work for me but I was able to copy and paste the article here. If you go to http://www.justicedenied.org, you will be able to find it in Issue 31. Just in case anyone wants to read it.
Man Innocent Of Rape
Sues His Accuser
For Defamation
By JD Staff
Chris Matthew was arrested on September
3, 2005, for allegedly committing a
rape in Charlottesville, Virginia. A former
University of Virginia law student had identified
Matthew as the man who had sexually
assaulted her.
Five days later a DNA test excluded Matthews
as the source of semen recovered
from the woman. The rape charge was
dropped against Matthew and he was released
from custody.
Another man, John Henry Agee, was later
arrested for allegedly raping the woman.
In December 2005, Matthew filed an
$850,000 defamation suit against the woman
who had falsely accused him, which caused
his arrest and public identification as a rapist.
Charlottesville DA Dave Chapman responded
to the lawsuit by acknowledging Matthew’s
arrest was a “tragic mistake.” However, he
denounced the lawsuit, claiming “it will have
a chilling effect on the willingness of women
to report sexual assaults.” 1
Several Virginia lawmakers responded to
Matthew’s suit by sponsoring a bill in
Virginia’s General Assembly that would
immunize from civil liability a witness in a
criminal case who testifies or makes a criminal
identification “with the good faith belief
in its veracity.” 2
Matthew’s lawyer, Deborah Wyatt, responded
to the proposed immunization bill
by saying that Matthew had a legitimate
cause of action because there was reason to
believe the woman was “negligent in accusing
Matthew.” Wyatt also said she thought
that the civil immunization bill was racially
motivated. She was quoted in the Cavalier
Daily, “If instead of being a pretty, blonde,
University of Virginia type girl who had
accused a black male barber and traumatized
him, this had been a poor black
woman who’d falsely accused a white captain
of the football team and traumatized
him, would [the Delegates] have been sponsoring
the same bill?” 3
Although Virginia doesn’t have a wrongful
conviction statute, if it did it wouldn’t have
applied to Matthew because he was released
prior to being convicted. There is no apparent
wrongdoing by the police, who acted on
the basis of the woman’s false identification.
So she is Matthew’s sole source of
redress for being falsely identified publicly
as a rapist.
Endnotes and sources:
1 4Better or Worse – The week in review, The Hook,
December 22, 2005.
2 Bill Aims To Limit Liability of Witnesses, Christina
Tkacik, Cavalier Daily, University of Virginia, February
Blink I do understand your reasoning. So do you think that he didn’t mean to kill anyone after he took these girls off, but it just kept happening. And he had remorse, and expected different outcomes the next time, but it was not to be?
In other words, he had a good heart, but bad things just kept happening and no one knew but him? The one guy who spoke at length about JM’s “prowling” seems like he should be putting the cops onto some of the prowlees who survived, to find out if there was a “line” on JM that was common knowledge among girls and guys. I suspect that there was some kind of line, since this friend seems to know the prowl technique that JM used.
I do agree that there are differing levels of family involvement with college age kids. I would definitely make it my business to find out if one of my kids lost not one but two football scholarships. However, I may be an outlier, and I do agree that there may be families who can’t muster up that level of involvement and insight for whatever reason.
Right now Susan I can honestly say it is too soon for me to even attempt to profile Matthew and that is coming from someone that has been right so far with almost no information. In a sense- on the surface he is cookie cutter and that may end up being the case. He raped and drugged and beat who he could when he could, and the ones he killed accidentally or accidentally on purpose he discarded like a broken toy he didn’t want anyone to find. His known behavior is incongruent with the length of time he has been offending I can say with surety that there are unknown victims, and at some point, if not frequently, he either had help or a co-conspirator. Either one or both of those statements are true, in my professional opinion.
If I were to learn that all or most of his victims (graphic warning- were raped with an object other than his person) It would elevate my rising fears about what serial “silo” I would put him in.
Of course as a parent there is no set of circumstances I would not know something was going on with my children’s school or revocation of a scholarship, etc. I just do not believe these folks were available- keeping in mind he was out of Liberty the same day after 3 years in the middle of football season.
B
Again, risking being insensitive to a sect of the population…
The possibitity of a “savior” in the family by way of athletic stardom will blind even the best of the best of intentioned people. Athletics, and youth athletics especially will absolutely bring out the worst in the adults of Americana.
also
I have seen many a student test “Resource”, the most unlimited of the Special Ed world, yet they are highly capable of deception and deceit to accomplish there agenda. Whether it be criminal, or not…