Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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@cd,rose,Blink et.al
When Rosenthal’s motion to compel was presented to the court in October 2012, WHY and when was it decided by the court NOT to compel? The lawsuit was not dropped until July 2013. This is what I’m not getting, where is the paper trail when a judge (Kantor in this case) rejected Rosenthal’s motion and what reason did he have for doing so?
(Grasshopper and vw, where are you when I need you? LOL)
If an attorney presents a motion to the court, is there not some sort of procedure where the courts response gets recorded, or does the judge simply arrange for some behind closed-door meeting and flat out tell the attorney to take a hike?
He didnt T. Ruth, that is what I am trying to splain’. It never made it past the plaintiff motion. Once it was filed the case was abated. Before the abatement, it was withdrawn. The only paper trail was the motion to compel. It becomes null when the suit is dismissed. No recorded response because it must be heard, technically.
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sorry for typos, traveling,
moving kids’ apts, & cleaning
again. sane (maybe) in a week.
Sadly, I agree with you erose. Little k, still the spittin’ image of her mom, looks sort of pale and unhappy to me. Not the same rosy-cheeked, happy little one we saw in older photos. But then, with all she’s been put through, I’m not surprised. The photo of with her dad where he has his hand pressing down on top of her head, and her drooped shoulders therefrom, is oddly controlling looking. I hope she just wasn’t feeling well that day, which could be the case of course.
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Forgot to link the motion to compel above,
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf
The car show is huge, isn’t it? I’m not huge car show fan, but I like the nostalgia. Loved the little Phillips 66 gas station pump trophies, reminded me of my good friends’ dad who once owned a station with those kind of pumps. (Damn, I’m gettin’ old.)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html
****On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
Underhill requested the motions be sealed, citing the continuing criminal investigation, court records show.****
“Premature disclosure of the information contained in these documents could jeopardize that ongoing investigation,” Underhill wrote. “Sealing these documents is in the best interests of justice, will preserve the integrity of the investigation, and will promote the safety of the witnesses involved.”
The court had scheduled a hearing for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue for the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Horman.
Spicher was questioned by Young’s lawyer during a deposition, but refused to answer any question dealing with Terri Horman or Kyron Horman.
That hearing now will likely be postponed, under the judge’s latest order, as will scheduled depositions that were to take place of Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young.
(snipped, more @ link)
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that was November 27, 2012, more than a month after Elden file his clients motion to compel DDS. What happened in that month? Where are the documents? Public civil case, right? Motions to abate the civil case were filed by outside parties, i.e., both MCSO and the DA’s office, which were sealed by Kantor.
This is where I see things getting really ugly and very much covering something up. This was a public civil case, why weren’t the records (i.e., their motions, Judge’s rulings, against Rosenthal) made available to the public and on file in the courthouse? Aren’t all civil cases public, or am I mistaken?
IDK, but I guess what I’m saying is that something seems to be missing here. WTH was going on within our court system? Where are the documents that surely had to transpire between parties via our courts? Does one go to court and just take someone’s (Judge, attny, whomever) word on something without receiving documented opinion/judgement?
I still hate this case.
I think we are missing an order in here which I have always believed (for reasons outside of my intuition, analysis and reasonable elimination skills have only been verified within the last year) was the impetus for the MCSO and MCDA throwing their sealable hats in the ring so to speak. On Nov.21 Kantor issued an order on the use of medical records by any party, for the purposes of either the prosecution or defense of the case. HERE is the hinky part I have mentioned before- Kantor’s order was filed with the court on 11/21/12 but not entered until 11/27/12. See the date relevance I have always been concerned about? Trust me when I tell you- if ANYONE’S medical records furthered the civil suit OR the criminal case against Terri Underhill is never stepping in and Desiree is never taking her foot off the gas. *THE CONCERN* clearly was about someone else’s medical records and the detriment to the investigational theory in its third year.
B
” Probably well intentioned but kind throws k in a group she may not personally need to identify with.”
Definiely does. And he and shaven sculpted paramour have no vlue.
Seizure/dog dau is 3
2 is the girl who made it to college but does not live at “home” and has had sad jobs, niw watching homeless man pick skin off his feet in Pioneer Square.
I have evolved.
absent any evidence, god bless TMH
and her daughter
Rose- in fairness to TMH, she would like to respond to some of the posts and kindnesses extended here. I have asked her to hold off until I publish to protect the integrity of the series, and for contextual purposes.
B
He didnt T. Ruth, that is what I am trying to splain’. It never made it past the plaintiff motion. Once it was filed the case was abated. Before the abatement, it was withdrawn. The only paper trail was the motion to compel. It becomes null when the suit is dismissed. No recorded response because it must be heard, technically.
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Sorry, I posted before I got this answer from you Blink. The case wasn’t abated until Nov., so I guess ER’s motion to compel just sat around for a month, while the parties that be, from the Judge on down to the DA and MCSO offices, waited for the Judge’s decision on *their* abatement motion.
Just how does one step into a civil case (that is not their own, of either party) and get it abated? That would be like me filing on behalf of my grown child who was in the middle of divorce proceedings, and I had the right to have it abated. How is that even possibly legal in a civil case? Did MCSO DA/Sheriff over-step their bounds in requesting the abatement or did Kantor in granting abatement to ****them****?
The answer, which of course will further lack of reason in this case, is they cannot. They are not a party. They never were. Rosenthal did not object (why would he- he knew he had no case and was praying daily MCSO and MCDA would come up with something to aid it). Wagner did not object because if the suit was to progress he knew it could be used to exonerate Terri- which would go a long way for both this and the dissolution. HouzeofBunch won their argument that they could not be considered a party- so who does this make sense to?
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@erose, thank you, I had no idea Durham was known for wearing camo. I now think it even more noteworthy that Kaine has worn same for at least past 3 car shows. I remember reading about the long red hair connection.
erode says:
August 13, 2016 at 3:43 pm
Houndog, Sorry I didn’t clarify. DAD referenced David Anthony Durham, the camo wearing man from Sauvie Island that shot a cop and is a federal fugitive. We did a whole thread on him that I would link, but it is gone.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/fugitive_warrant_issued_for_suspect_david_durham_in_shooting_of_lincoln_city_officer.html
Is the white truck in the left background of this pic is KH’s? Geez I hope not…
https://www.facebook.com/northwestclassicautomall/photos/a.1168771659811704.1073741936.195204047168475/1168772419811628/?type=3&theater
Better pic of truck
https://www.facebook.com/northwestclassicautomall/photos/a.1168771659811704.1073741936.195204047168475/1168772563144947/?type=3&theater
erose says:
August 13, 2016 at 1:32 am
My opinion only, KH looks genuinely happy and k looks sad. Maybe it was what was being said at the time, and I feel badly saying it because I know TH reads here, but there is just a sadness about that little girl. Sorry Terri, but I’m sure you see it too so I hope your reunification is progressing for her sake.
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JMO
I think in the car show pictures that Kiara looks like that trophy she is holding is heavy and she wishes her dad would quit talking already so she could pass it to someone else and go back to playing.
OT – but only “maybe OT” as far as the future of investigative work is concerned. (We’re still learning, right?)
Not intended to be about the persons named in the article, but about the technology – thinking of the possibilities in future civil suits, or even just in hiring/firing/harassment situations.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-people-write-trump%e2%80%99s-tweets-he-writes-the-angrier-ones/ar-BBvykMU?li=BBnb7Kz
The technology which is used on technology is fascinating and only destined to increase. Eventually the use in court for this sort of thing will come up and be challenged and then allowed, is my guess, for civil suits at least. I assume you’d have to show who had control and access to a particular phone, match up locations, and a bunch of other stuff. Criminal lawyers will attempt to use to prosecute or to create doubt. Maybe they already do. What a Pandora’s box we open when we use a “simple” phone!
I don’t tweet, but seems to me that, unlike texts or emails, no subpoena is needed to read what a person sends out to the public. This sorting seems to have been made easier by the use of 2 different kinds of phones. What if a person said they sent only the “good” ones or a person had “multiple personalities” or whatever – I am just fascinated by where this sort of thing could lead in the future.
Blink – wondering how YOU classify this sort of technology use:
- valid investigative use (now or someday)
- college research paper – criminology, psychology, technology
- tabloid writing
- keep an eye on future developments
- look for it to be used in mystery novels
- MBS – calm down, it’s nothing new
- other?
I am not quite sure what you are asking me MBS- if you mean, do algorithm programs exist based on verbiage usage for investigative purpose of some kind, identifying a syntax profile? Yes, many and there are plenty of studies out there from a criminal analysis standpoint on linguistics to apply them to. I am not even sure of the use/benefit of this article as most politicians (to include the opponent) use campaign staff to post to social media. I am trained under Dr. Pete Smerick (FBI-r) in a variety of usages but without other forensic indicators that would satisfy the proof burdens to tie directly to an individual those findings are generally considered opinion based- not factual. In general, those measures require a warrant and I have personally worked on cases ( one was a capital case) where tweets were thrown out because 1) they were prejudicial to the defendant 2) The Prosecution could not prove with certainty it was the defendant herself that posted them 3) they were being offered as character evidence (hearsay) AND in the same case- a series of texts was allowed in. This is definitely an oversimplification of this example ( I worked for the defense and drafted the brief on the tweets) but you get the idea- social media for the most part is considered opinion and mostly self promotional and not real evidence of anything when taken in political context. Add to that I have also personally worked on cases where it was learned the individuals purchased fake twitter followers, lol, so there’s that.
If I were to be asked my opinion re technology trends wrt criminal investigation and analysis- by far the use of stingray technology would be at the top of the list in both the positive and the negative. Starting with the positive- the technology mimics a cell tower, which essentially turns it into a tracking device for LE of the subject. Can you envision the invaluability of this in say- an active terrorist or active hostage situation to name just 2 examples – not just to diffuse the event and assist capture, but to identify other suspects, targets, etc. That said, very unfortunately, these devices are actually owned in some instances at the county/state level, not just Federal and the manu REQUIRES as part of its purchase, an enforceable NDA. You likely already guessed where I am going with this- This technology is not your standard pen register warrant and in several cases, LE has sought warrants for its use calling it a pen register ( or similar) device. The burden for such a warrant is relatively low- and at all times a Judge (or sometimes magistrate) is only required to follow what is called the 4 corners doctrine, which essentially means that unless he has facts to the contrary- he must rule on granting or denying the warrant based solely on what is in that affidavit. When these uses are finally being presented as discoverable evidence in a criminal matter- both State and Federal Judges are now suppressing them- which outside of some pretty narrow exceptions immediately grows that fruit of the poisonous tree we talk about. In summary- from my perspective- LE must get a specific warrant for the stingray use at all times or I predict you will see watchdog groups and even private citizens suing agencies for civil rights violations the likes of which we have not seen previously with any other emerging technology. This is largely the reason for the NDA- which of course indemnifies the manu as they are certainly selling it for lawful purpose- once it is out of their hands how it gets used and by whom is not their problem, right?
No doubt reading this brings to mind- well then, so if LE has these devices laying around – what other sort of trouble could one get into? Following journalists to sources, violating laws protecting acquiring protected documents or privileged communications/activities. Personal use- the list goes on. The talent and structure are by no means in place to utilize this technology without massively tipping the scale of justice to liability, imo.
B
I have never been to a car show, and i’m sure some of them are lovely. I applaude KH for raising 10K for the foundation. I’ll be honest, if i had taken my family/children to his show, which was chock full of super hero characters, face painting, moon bouncing etc, marketed for kids, but also included the following, I would have left immediately, but not without expressing my displeasure to the management.
https://www.facebook.com/northwestclassicautomall/photos/a.1168771659811704.1073741936.195204047168475/1168775689811301/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/kyronscarshow/photos/a.691869340874274.1073741831.671472942913914/1074018722659332/?type=3&theater
The pics showing the full naked rear view of the female sexualized pig on BBQ truck have been taken down from car show FB page, but here’s the truck…
https://www.google.com/search?q=slick%27s+big+time+bbq+truck&biw=1093&bih=534&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNt_zQ4cLOAhVESyYKHcKgCZsQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=p_iMlL4kZR7xVM%3A
Maybe the crowd and going up to give out a prize made sweet little K nervous. It would me for sure
I was thrilled to see the pics Of the two of them. Kaine looks older but it has been awhile since I have seen hlm
All in all it looks like they have a good turn out and people are enjoying the day
Little K just looks beautiful to me I have sure worried and prayed about her over the yrs But there she is Ok and really cute as always She was such a cute little baby
It would be perfect to see Kyron almost 14 Smiling
Aw Blink, that tech is ATT Family Map so if yr kid has driven ross country and not called in by midnite, you can see whether she’s in the city she said she’d be in, by the side of a highway in a ditch, or in another State w/byfrd or his parents. In fact one can see change from bf to nearby parents and whether she went to clean her own vacated apt as agreed. Spooky. One month free trial. tracks all yr phones. just discovered it. If it existed in 2010, a phone owner could track an ATT wife anywhere, sayto a Cook’s. 9.99/mo.
I use family locator and always have. Stingray technology is not even in the zip code of that- among other things, it does not just collect the targets data- it can collect everyone’s just like a real cell tower. I can count on one hand any time I have been successful in a case where a search warrant EVER allowed us such a fishing expedition.
B
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Judge-explains-delay-in-Terri-Horman-civil-suit/XpwsVjc4C02XktjAHnhhYA.cspx
Judge explains delay in Terri Horman civil suit
Published: 3:57 pm
A judge provided a brief, one-paragraph explanation Wednesday for his decision to delay Desiree Young’s civil suit against Terri Horman.
In an order signed Wednesday, Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor stated that he granted a motion filed by the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office requesting to delay the suit, “on the ground that allowing the case to proceed could impact an ongoing criminal investigation.”
Kantor wrote that he came to the decision after conferring with attorneys for both sides, an unnamed witness and prosecutors.
The order halts the lawsuit until Aug. 1, 2013.
On Nov. 21, Kantor granted a request to seal the memorandum and affidavits that were submitted as part of the motion to delay the lawsuit, but did amend it to state that the motion could be subject to an additional request to have it unsealed.
The district attorney’s office has declined to comment on the developments of the case. However, officials familiar with it, speaking on background, said there have been new leads that the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office would like to look at without the civil lawsuit getting in the way of any possible criminal case.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.250;wap2
Okay, this is coming back to me now, I remember discussing who could be the witness that met behind closed doors with attorneys and judge. So Kantor’s decision was sealed, along with the motion filed by the DA & MCSO? Did anyone ever request that it be unsealed? I don’t recall ever seeing it, in fact I don’t recall ever seeing the one paragraph the judge apparently issued, other than snipped portion above.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html
November 27, 2012
A Multnomah County judge this week granted motions by District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Sheriff Dan Staton to delay Desiree Young’s civil lawsuit against Terri Horman for nine months.
Chief Deputy District Attorneys Norm Frink and Rod Underhill and Elden Rosenthal, Young’s civil lawyer, declined comment Tuesday on the development.
(snipped)
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Something bizarre must have happened here, no? cd, I think your idea made a lot of sense, they (DA & MCSO, prosecutors) did NOT want DDS to be compelled to testify in the civil suit, but why? Would that really give her immunity in an upcoming criminal case? And why on earth was this civil lawsuit able to be abated by an outside party in the first place? And why nine months? I mean, there’s no way they could know DDS would go before a grand jury some 8 months out.
Who was the witness that met with these guys behind closed doors? Was it DDS? Was it KH? Was it RSE? Something else had to be going on here behind the scenes don’t you think?
@Rose, you bring up an important point, regarding how both of KH’s children look like way more like their mothers than their father. For me it’s important because Kyron’s aged out composite, looks nothing like Desiree Young’s side of the family and whole lot more like Kaine when he was young. It’s almost like whomever approved that composite, doesn’t want Kyron found, either that, or Kaine Horman only sees himself in his children, or sees his children as himself. (If that makes sense.)
@Rose, you bring up an important point, regarding how both of KH’s children’s facial features resemble their respective mothers than their father. For me it’s important because Kyron’s aged out composite, looks nothing like Desiree Young’s side of the family and whole lot more like Kaine when he was young. It’s almost like whomever approved that composite, doesn’t want Kyron found, either that, or Kaine Horman only sees himself in his children, or sees his children as himself. (If that makes sense.) I mean heaven forbid his other child ever goes missing, but could anyone here imagine a composite of that child that did not look like TMH? So why doesn’t Kyron’s look like DY or like his bio half-brother? This has bugged me all along.
MBS
Do a google search on the Stingray device. You will find many hits. Start with the Wikipedia article. It gives a general overview of what that device is and how it works along with the historical information of it’s source.
All devices using cell technology have a lot of data transmitted about the originating device besides the conversations, text, or internet connection. It is this meta data that is being captured. It can be used for good or bad as can most electronic technologies.
Have you ever heard the term “War Driving”. This is an exercise where an inquisitive person or persons use a computer and a special program to capture information, drive around an area looking for unprotected (using no protection or low encoding software) internet routers in homes or businesses. This same type of thing can happen with the Stingray device.
Cell towers are easy to locate by driving around or using Google Earth. All that is required is to get the Stingray device in a position where the normal tower signal strength may be overcome by the intruding device.
LE patrol vehicles learn every street, alleyway and access in the area they are assigned to patrol. Patrol cars now have computers in them in most jurisdictions. The information in the subscription version of Google Earth is much greater than that used in the free version.
Rose
I agree with you about Sheriff David Clark.
He is not dependent on the Mayor or Chief of police for his job. He knows the law and he exhibits a very strong value system regarding personal behavior. In an appearance on Fox news today, he really leveled the lack of responsibility of the black community and the missing father from the home as a prime cause of most of their troubles.
In addition, he faulted the federal government for getting in the way of community value development.
re MockingbirdSings says:
August 15, 2016 at 1:50 am
@Blink – Thanks. This is very helpful. Not only did I receive answers, I also now know what my questions were:
What place do tweets have in an investigation or legal case?
Is this sort of analysis helpful to an investigation of any kind?
What technology advances will be most helpful in the future?
What are the downsides of using this (or any new) technology?
I very much appreciate your answers, particularly since you have combined many well-founded points of view (journalism, legal case experience, investigative training).
It seems each new form or revision of technology that comes our way functions as both an advance and a pothole until we (society) figure out their worth and validity for scientific and legal purposes. Unfortunately, even relatively simple to understand things such as cell phone pings can still be misleading to and misused by people who are not fully informed.
It’s not easy to keep up with it all, but thank goodness for people like you and those you learn from, who do. Thanks also for your time.
Of course MBS- thank you for wanting to learn and share.
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T. Ruth says:
August 14, 2016 at 10:45 pm
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/11/multnomah_county_sheriff_cites.html
****On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.”
With progression, we’ve learned Sheriff’s mendacity and unprofessional behavior lef to his resignation.
So, sealed, or unsealed, imo any affidavit he signed = toilet paper.
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@Houndog. After happy faces, I was wondering which “vendor” perhaps supplied tail gate beverages.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/#comments
You said Tony rescheduled his depo twice last minute, and his med recirds were subpoenaed.
Yes, I’ve wondered what Houze’ investigator ferreted out.
“Rose says:
August 14, 2016 at 10:51 pm
…god bless TMH and her daughter
Rose- in fairness to TMH, she would like to respond to some of the posts and kindnesses extended here. I have asked her to hold off until I publish to protect the integrity of the series, and for contextual purposes.
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All I have is my opinion. When commenting, I foolishly forget or block out she or anyone case associated not only may but does read here, ie Soldier who is riled by some of your content. Otherwise it would taint my thots and reasoning.
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A number of K’s nuclear family as well as online devoted Soldiers seem to have weak ego boundaries, perhaps indicative of bpd features. I hope TMH is not among them, but if she is, she is vulnerabke to getting stuck reading sites preoccupied with Finding Kyron.
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I would like to think she is the strongest among K’s 4 parents at mourning appropriately, then moving on, reflecting on Houze’s compliment of her…she’ll always be OK. That is the only way she’ll help kiara move on “normally.” In fact Desiree’s activities thru Soldiers seem directly focused at not allowing her to move on.
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Terri’s advisors should be limited to lawyer, parents, supportive friends, perhaps a counselor, imo not internet strangers. When I post this or that idea or “what I would do,” imo she’d be off base if she read it, took it seriously, and entertained a kernal. She needs real advisors in her real world.
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Anyway, imo she is best off putting her computer in a lock box “- “responding” to me labels this site as “taking sides” and labels folks like me say as her follower incorrectly. My opinion is she needs to mourn her son’s loss and look to the future and keep on with all the great part of life that still remains. The thread I am familiar with where a mother responded on line was Sharpton, wasn’t it?
Different circumstances but yes.
B
whoever this belongs to Houndog, and jyst because it’s white
doesn’t mean K’s, it strikes me as
the ultimate phallic symbol and narcissistic boy toy.
https://m.facebook.com/northwestclassicautomall/photos/a.1168771659811704.1073741936.195204047168475/1168772563144947/?type=3&theater
the Polish on those tires.
the Unmarred Body.
A Hot Machine on Roids imo.
the Foundation
the Fundraising
the Awareness,
those are Father’s cause.
Yes, TRuth, I agree KH “sees his children as himself.”
imo weak ego boundaries.
And a reason he’d never let either go.
Father’s causes are not and should not be sister’s.
Sister needs her own life and space and causes.
Houndog
If the white truck prominent in the second link is the one you think is KH’s truck with all the Kyron stickers on it, the make is Ford and is in the super duty class. It is most likely a 3/4 ton or F250. The FX/4 designation is for an off-road package that provides stronger front axel, protection for the gas tank and heavy duty shocks and springs,plus off-road wheels and tires. ($435 extra per wheel and tire.)
KH has either purchased aftermarket 20″ wheels and wide tires or had the truck shipped from the factory with those wheels and tires. The bed length is 6 1/2 feet with an after market cap. The wheels and tires support tall shocks and struts that raise the truck several inches above normal. The fenders have aftermarket bolt on extensions to protect the body from mud and debris during off-road activities. There is a chrome plated pipe style running board on the drivers side and probably another on the passenger side. I would estimate the height of the running board to be 14 to 16 inches above the ground.
He may have a step unit stored in the cab or in the bed of the truck for use of those who have difficulty reaching the running board.
There is also a 6 inch exhaust located behind the drivers side rear tire.
This truck in the current model year is in the $60,000 price range. The model year is not known and does not appear to be later than 2012.
The term “detailing” is not about adding items to a vehicle. It is about a total clean-up of inside, outside and engine compartment along with wax and polish. A different process from that of using a commercial car wash and vacuum of the seats and floor covering.
I used the term detailing incorrectly so that is my bad. To my knowledge that is Kaine’s original truck with a lift package, etc.
B
oregon has a whole subculture folks
often for kids’ charity
http://www.pdxcarculture.com/events.aspx
beer gardens, wine and bratworsts.
cars look like an excuse to me for drinking and dancing with the Elks or similar
for kids: tats, face ptg etc
http://www.pdxcarculture.com/events.aspx
http://www.pdxcarculture.com/SearchResults.aspx?Search=beer
to get my reference above, just type beer in the Search box of the Events url in last post
this is interesting.
https://m.facebook.com/northwestclassicautomall/
this man’s primary business looks like car sales (aka classics)
A significant marketing of his business and product group (increase the public’s appetite for
used cars) are these car shows. often held on a nonprofit’s site, ie Bible Church, Elks or a charitable club.
generally benefit some charity. I wonder if the car show arm of his business is itself a 501c3
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this is quite the subculture. I wonder if K was part of it before K went missing?
iirc that Intel friend of his Rotan was into cars too.
and ducatis.
Or did the Mall just latch onto another charity to benefit and build its customer base?
Eckard seemed a true car lover.
OT for ATG.
Have you an opinion on the new advanced filter brita wrt Lead?
I just examined label at grocery store.
4 metals & chlorine are listed, but not lead.
one news outlet commented:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/318735-198079-reese-takes-the-reins-as-new-sheriff-in-town
Dear writing, meet wall.
The sheriff’s office, he says, “is not the police bureau. The sheriff’s office has never been as high profile.”
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“Would-be candidates have until Aug. 30 to file”
from link above.
watchful waiting unto 8/30.
Sorry about my post above posting twice, it looked like it hadn’t posted and then I added something and reposted.
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Could it be that DA & MCSO stepped in because Elden was about to depose RSE, and RSE and his attorney were two of the individuals in the meeting in Chambers? I could see the Judge making a ruling based on that, due to his *importance* to the criminal case the DA was attempting to build. When did Rackner/Engel finally depose RSE? Did they possibly find him via Rosenthal?
The medical records issue is another interesting point, but again, how and why would that (a decision) not be documented and/or why would it be sealed in a civil case?
The ruling/order of 11/21 on medical records is not sealed. I have no information RSE was ever even contacted by DY/Rosenthal, let alone subpoened. Please give this some thought (everyone)- in the disollution case the very strict order was that nobody could discuss what was said to them by LE or what they discussed with LE. Houze was not even allowed near the zip code of the last “15 min meeting” at the Horman home. ( ruse by rubes ) That would have certainly allowed for RSE to say.. This is what I was instructed to say to TMH, and this is what I said/did. Which I can promise you, would have ended the FAPA toot sweet. In my view, Houze was masterful in preserving this should his client ever have faced this allegation criminally.
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After all these years, I have no more energy to think either bio parent or the HC can contribute anything to our understanding of the abduction. After his latest car show pics, I am convinced K’s activities, statements, or imo associates have nothing to offer any investigation. DY and her HC never caught on (gofundme) and burned out awhile ago imo.
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I suggest it is more reasonable than not K was targeted, and the abductor’s nexus was the school, making his knowledge (opportuntically) of the Sci Fair obvious. The first investigative tier was PPS subs staff and subcontractors at Skyline during K’s enrollment; then volunteers and pta one shot hires; then facilities users patrons and staff (J day car; weekday evening renters groups and users like B Ballers team gone elsewhere the next year. There are SO many of above. Principal-hired antilead touchup painters, PTA yard work days; all the green activities; the Bonneville and Solar4Schools employees and eelectrical sub bidders. There were a couple Skyline associated onsite persons to work thru apart from Skyline staff and parents.
—how is Pending progressing?
Pending is progressing but I promised I would not over promise and under deliver again so I promise no notice until it is in the queue. Like you and many others here I am sure- I am up to my bippy with 2 kids back to school needs and one in soph apartment (insert nail biting and zombie eyes emojis).
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not a couple Skyline associates. I dropped the word “hundred”
LE needed to investigate a couple hundred school associated nonteacher, non parent candidates that is.
grasshopper says:
July 26, 2013 at 10:37 pm
this includes all the documents concerning the contest of RO. all were in that case number. Although I have not had a chance to look closely, I did notice that all the motions involving depositions of Kaine and LE/DA were not dated and entered in the file in the usual way. however that’s where they were when I got there. It seems that MC people are really scared of depositions.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10147993/Contest%20Restraining%20Order.pdf
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-80/
grasshopper’s link ^^ still works. (TY, grasshopper) Initially, TMH (DEF) was trying to get DY’s civil case abated, then ,if I’m reading this correctly, it appears here that DY (PTF) motioned to abate her own civil case on 11/21/12 (and it appears that all of that motion and all it’s related documents were under seal). Why under seal? Same date, 11/21 Judge orders any med records produced by either party can only be used in this suit and nowhere else. Stay was granted until 8/1/2013.
So what if it wasn’t DY’s or TY’s med records that were being referred to here, but maybe Kyron’s?
Next Hearing Status attorneys only July 24, 2013. Then civil suit gets dropped completely.
Do you think its a koinky on 11/21 DY abates her own case after finding out about the order on medical records and cancelling her and TY depositions on 2 separate occasions prior?
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T. Ruth says:
August 15, 2016 at 1:58 pm
Something bizarre must have happened here, no? cd, I think your idea made a lot of sense, they (DA & MCSO, prosecutors) did NOT want DDS to be compelled to testify in the civil suit, but why? Would that really give her immunity in an upcoming criminal case? And why on earth was this civil lawsuit able to be abated by an outside party in the first place? And why nine months? I mean, there’s no way they could know DDS would go before a grand jury some 8 months out.
Who was the witness that met with these guys behind closed doors? Was it DDS? Was it KH? Was it RSE? Something else had to be going on here behind the scenes don’t you think?
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Yes I agree the whole thing was very odd to me. My post was just me trying to guess/put together what I had read about and to come up with a motivation for the actions the attorneys and judges that followed DDS’s deposition. Theres was probably a lot of things were don’t know about going ion behind the curtain.
“no information RSE was ever even contacted by DY/Rosenthal, let alone subpoened. Please give this some thought (everyone)” http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-81/#comment-2255366
That could only be due to an underlying agreement between Rosenthal and the DA that Rosenthal would “go fish” in DA-desirable waters whether there were fish or not and never drop his nets where there could be a school of fish but the DA informally put RSE off limits because 1) he was protecting him, or 2) the DA knew that rich target had nothing to do with the abduction due to not matching the description of SZ or other exculpatory wvidence. I wonder what quid probquo motivated Rosenthal with the DA, some unspoken gentleman’s agreement? Coukdn’t be $ asDY had none and would lose? I’d look at any criminal cases by ER from 6 mos before the civil case to a tear after abatement and see if any client got unusual leniancy from the DA. Not saying he did, just that it would be interesting research.
don’t know if it was her records or his tho.
I’ve assumed it was hers.
goodness knows coukd’ve been his.
Add to that the lack of records. Hypothetical: You know, like, if you claimed you sought medical treatment as an emergent necessity requiring you to relinquish custody and you swore in an affidavit this was true and correct. In a tort suit- as we all know, damages/relief awards are assessed and/or portioned based on liability percentages for one thing, in my view, if someone were less than 100% honest on that-it would not only hold great weight, but could possibly prejudice a jury.
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“DY (PTF) motioned to abate her own civil case on 11/21/12 (and it appears that all of that motion and all it’s related documents were under seal). Why under seal? Same date, 11/21 Judge orders any med records produced by either party can only be used in this suit and nowhere else.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-81/#comment-2255370
What timing. ER was johnny on the spot. Probably had his motion drafted and waiting ready to go.
Why was Kantor collusive and entered that order preventing their use in a civil case by TH?
must be something potent and damning in there.
But it shows Kantor was also a tool of the DA or had been promised something important by a tool
with power. His informal gentleman’s wink and nod agreements coukd be support for a second bute at the
Federal bench nomination. Meaning Wyden was in the loop. Protecting Sam Adams, or Kitzhaber, or who? How close were Wyden and Sam? or Merkley? etc. Kantor and Kitz? This coverup using a judge and DA reeks of the highest levels. And of course Mrs Kitz’ (blanking on tgat fiance’s name) career path in WA may have touched DY’s at some point??? they have similarities.
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I have not examined the new Britta filter. I use a Britta pitcher filter to filter water for coffee. It will remove some metals and mostly dirt. After filtering in the Britta, I pour the water into a Zero Water pitcher for final filtering. There is every mineral known to man located in the Texas Hill Country. However, there are few filters that will stop lead and they are expensive.
I also have a distillation unit that will handle two gallons of water. It is slow. Over an hour to handle the two gallons.
I live on what was at one time, farmland. My arsenic and nitrate levels were raised so we have both reverse osmosis and UV. Outside of having my water tested by the installation company regularly- I would not know boo about filtration-
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The MCSO is mostly an organization that is used for operation of the county jail, doing some river patrol, search and rescue, standard patrol outside other jurisdictions within the county, and not much else. Reese is correct. The agency is very low profile.
IMO MCSO is a “good ole boys” organization that lacks a lot of being a good LE organization. Too much internal politics and union rules keep it that way.
AND Reese said all the management systems and procedures seem to be working well.
Hahaha.
What is Mr Low Profile running for in 3 yrs after his Nov win?
(that oddly called election led by Kafoury, rather than keeping to the
regular 2017 cycle, is absolutely to ensure no other challenger will file
because 2 months to an election allows no REAL challenger to
mount and conduct a campaign). More Oregon informal corruption imo.
“To my knowledge that is Kaine’s original truck with a lift package, etc.
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OMG.
You know he coukd have suggested TH drive his P symbol on days when he wanted to track her (tracking device) in prep for divorce. Gosh was she naive.
His demeanor in those show pics, so similar to Glen’s etc, the opposite of his usual up tight pedantic presentation, suggest susceptability to something other than steroids. But by this point imo KH does not merit attention.
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Very interesting, nowbin a red State that in the last 24 hrs has seen a sudden flood of PAC ads for the Incendiary Device pleading for donated $ for the ID, back to back with ads flashing the flag by patriotically named bysinesses directed at vets with financially exploitative scams (ie100% mortgage for vets by a flim flam co). Unconnected but same target audience.
I think it important for Houze
to establish if K had a tracking device
on that truck on 6/4. That coukd cut in
MANY directions. Shoukd’ve been dealt with
in divorce litigation. Should’ve taken KH to trial.
She must’ve had her own vulnerabilities in a trial for Bunch to roll over
in that Stip imo.
The truck? Did not.
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I knew out sharp Blink would pick up my comment about detailing. Unless one is deeply into taking care of vehicles, it is often mistaken. That was a paragraph for teaching, not to make one feel bad.
I hope Blinkette has a safe apartment not too far away so that mom and dad can regularly check the safety and other important things. It made me think of our oldest girl and her first apartment which was located six blocks away from home. Regular inspections by mom were made on the way home from work.
She is with a few other teammates and the parents take turns- still on campus. I do not think I would survive her first apt on her own, lol.
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http://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/318909-198081-sheriff-dan-statons-erratic-behavior-paralyzed-offices-operations-documents-say
any reason Kyron’s parents, esp father who was in town and on site,
never addressed that erratic behavior?
Hole EE Eff.
So let’s give him a pain management merit badge- not the Sheriff job. I wish I could say I were surprised. I’m not.
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“Well, I was on heavy pain meds when that occurred,” Moore said Staton responded. “When I wasn’t on pain meds, I was in a lot of pain … .”
So now we got an opiod addict.
Who was his supplier?
Similarly, Jennifer Ott, Staton’s human relations director, told county investigators that Staton’s reaction to the Yankee claims — which Ott characterized as true — changed rapidly, from asking if he’d said those things, to denial, then explaining things in ways that were at odds with what actually had happened. “His sense of reality … was detached,” she said. ”
She enabled him from his swearing in.
He must’ve come diwn on her for her to turn.
“A recurring theme of the investigative interviews was Staton saying things that were not true, or different than what he’d said previously”.
So much for Staton’s meetings & briefings with bios. No mcso affidavit with his signature is credible.
No wonderDY was never briefed.
No one was in charge of this investigation imo.
That K’s parents just carried on raising $ and not confronting Staton publically is scandelous.
Thar ya go
“does lie,” she added, according to the notes. “There are so many examples; it happens a lot.”
omg
“Because regular command staff meetings with Staton were unproductive, command staff worked out a system of illicit communication to try and manage the department, keeping a lookout for him while they tried to have operational discussions, she said, according to the records.”
dates 6 yrs back. so much for Skipper’s judgment:
“Ott, the human relations director, said that Staton had issued threats to fire people on a “weekly” basis “for the last six years,” according to the records. ”
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“She indicated that it “feels like he feeds on the reaction, watching people squirm.”
Watching Teri squirm?
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” Kafoury said the county is moving on…
“It’s a really a sad affair that I’m hoping has now come to an end,” she said. “I think tomorrow is a new day … we’re all looking forward to closing the chapter on this book and starting anew.”
What’s the New Day, the Reset…
for the 7 yo child school abduction?
and when will Soldier focus productively on the investigatory organ?
because the bios haven’t, big time.
You can’t tell me their attorneys didn’t kniw Staton’s reputation.
and O’s Crime & Courts reporter gets a Big F minus.
6 yrs of negligence.
@search beginning I sent the BoE members the name of an A+ interim.
This tells me no one qualified in their right mind will take this interim job.
http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/08/16/portland-public-schools-will-name-interim-superintendent-tonight/