Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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T. Ruth says:
August 16, 2016 at 1:54 pm
Do you think its a koinky on 11/21 DY abates her own case after finding out about the order on medical records and cancelling her and TY depositions on 2 separate occasions prior?
B
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maybe TY had medical condition that would disqualify him from law enforcement or..
The only medical conditions I can think of that one would want to keep secret (enough to scuttle your own tort suit) would be.
drug or alcohol addiction (treatment at a recovery facility)
suicide
abortion
mental illness (psychotic break)
Injury from an encounter (caused by a violent partner)
DY appeared to have been doing OK with the divorce and the child care arrangement between her and Kaine. She must have had a decent job a condo in Lake oswego would not be inexpensive. Maybe she was cohabiting with someone else at the time.
My guess:
I think DY may have experienced a psychotic break either during her marriage to Kaine (before Kyrons birth) or when she was living in her condo in Lake oswego. I believe she may have quit taking her meds or had a break (due to some emotional trauma) causing her to overdose on some medication which may have caused a health problem that required hospitalization.
Do you think its a koinky on 11/21 DY abates her own case after finding out about the order on medical records and cancelling her and TY depositions on 2 separate occasions prior?
B
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My question now is whose medical records caused the koinky-dinky?
Makes me wonder if Kyron’s medical records may have been involved and perhaps there was something there that DY did not want known. I mean I can’t see a judge (well, let me rephrase that), most judges giving an RA about some adult’s past medical records being exposed in this civil case, DY’s TY’s or TMH’s or KH’s, or whomever else may have been brought under scrutiny by this civil case. I do however see where a child’s medical records, that may in fact be pertinent to a criminal case, might be treated under seal with much weight. IDK, I defer to those more legal-minded than I. LOL
OT @Blink.
The issue is not the apt move in but the move out.
Having done 2 in the last month.
last one had 5 feckless kids/3brms (done today)
20 bags of trash out (4 story walk up).
one car load to thrift store.
had to train kid re how to clean bathrooms.
roomates (hey a Julliard MM)
even left clothes in drawers for us to trash.
1 car full of stuff to donate to thrift store.
Julliard roommate begging: take my heavy stereo down 3 flights and save for some friend.
(We are living in town’s cheapest room til next apt opens 8/21.)
things were broken (ie kitchen faucet for over a year).
you have to train the only responsible kid (yours) how to
clean freezer/fridge, bathrooms, oven, and mop backing out.
both my kids started out “the landlord will do it.”
I’d “Read yr lease.” Yr parents want our security deposit.
I met our LL’s maintenance head.
He said 99% of college students moving out
are conscionseless and do not do
the lease work and forfeit.
No home training or supervision of 4 of my kid’s apt roommates,
and she started out thinkng I was ridiculous, til the Landlord showed up as she was
cleaning under my direction With Expectations.
Oh Dear Me. You win and I pray I never have this experience.
B
For 6 years an apparently mentally ill opiod addict has ensured
mcso operations are dysfunctional, yet his successor Reese says
his own judgment of Staton’s operational procedures are favorable.
So at their lunch meeting orvother venues, how did K’s parents work to
hold Staton accountable? Rackner and Engel and
Rosenthal MUST have known the rumors
re mcso’s leadership dysfunction.
no tracking device planted on the truck on 6/4/10?
Was the car that investigators were looking for, parked in the south lot, a vintage or classic?
Excellent Question-
To my knowledge, neither, but then again, who know what the request of self-report was able to yield.
B
Reverse osmosis is the only recognized way that will effectively remove most metals from water. This is especially true of iron or lead in their various forms.
I have no knowledge of the penetration of chemicals used for fertilizer into water tables. If you don’t live where a central water system is in place the only source for water would be a well or a large pond.
Surface water would require treatment of some type to remove bacteria and other contaminates while some wells would test good enough without any treatment. Well depth should be deep if a water source can be found. Wells in our area are between 400 and 800 feet. Even at that depth there are some chemicals found in the water.
Rose says:
August 16, 2016 at 5:53 pm
The truck? Did not.
B
Blink, please forgive me for wasting your time if I’m reading more into this than is actually there. However, your response sounds to me like it’s possible the Mustang was being tracked…?
Gwen- excellent and intuitive question. I am going to defer answering it until publication if you don’t mind.
B
Apropos of nothing, I enjoy ATG’s participation here. It’s pleasant (and enlightening) to have a male voice with lots of experience and expertise.
Agreed!
B
Clearly command staff and HR knew he was abusing oxycodone– or more or similar — for 6 years; he admitted pain med misuse. Yet there was no undercover sting, no attemot to locate his supplier, make an arrest/take a plea. I wonder if on occasion “evidence” even disappeared. It looks like for 6 years nothing relating to his erratic behavior, ie admitted drug use, was referred to IA for investigation (and IA was often reorganized and restaffed). It seems to me the Command Staff could’ve referred the Sherrif to the OAG and State Police, tho when he went there it was over a single external incident and “nothing criminal” resulted from Ellen’s very limited investigation scope.
How does an individual at that level, in that role avoid drug screening if this is the case? On a very basic level, he carries a gun.
B
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/08/outgoing_sheriff_dan_staton.html#incart_big-photo
by Emily Smith
from the O
Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
About Me: Bernstein has been a staff writer with The Oregonian since 1998, and covers crime, Portland police and law enforcement.
Blog: http://www.oregonlive.com”
………just not the Sheriff.
Wow.
B
Vining was right to worryStaton was armed.
Since there was never any credible investigation and his LE Cert wasn’t stripped, he
could return to “visit”, armed, at any timewhen his $19,000 is denied. Because this politicized “investigation”
was closedwithout interviewing him, Staton can nurse a grievance against the few who had been interviewed.
Kafoury handled this terribly unprofessionally and by disclosing the interviews, without due process for Staton
(a chance to rebut), these employees are indeed potential Staton targets as Vining rightly worried. No one
seems to have considered possible meth use. Staton should’ve had urine samples as a condition of
employment. Per Ott, Staton recognized his worksite problems happened very quickly. Kyron was a few mos into his tenure wasnt he? Maybe he fell apart that summer.
after a very skimmed glance at the 47 pp, which disclaimed any review related to LE Cert and merely looked at workplace behavioral violations of Cty regs, I don’t see how any investigation led by this Agency in the last 6 years could go anywhere, even to rule out any family members or PPS staff. It is urgent this case go out of State and to the FBI (and not the Portland Field Office where the local fbi must depend on a Sheriff’s goodwill and cooperation). With this release, Kaine, Desiree, and Tony should be motivated to ask publically for a case transfer so they can get cleared in reality.
I was looking for the “hidden” “certifiably crazy” Captn “sauer” alleged in comments on O’d Staton article of the wee hours.
There were 2 possibilities on the 7/16 mcso staff chart. Googling one of the 2, I ran across his name in Marion Cty.
His boss the Sheriff had a single instance (hinting at promotion for a Sgt if he didnt make public his affair) of precisely Matt F much more seriously accused Staton of with an eavesdropping witness and the State DOJ brought criminal charges against that Sheriff. There was so much more with Staton & DOJ passed. I wouldn’t vote for political Ellen for dogcatcher.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/documents_reveal_coverup_of_af.html
http://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/318909-198081-sheriff-dan-statons-erratic-behavior-paralyzed-offices-operations-documents-say
OMG. So much worse than I’d could have imagined. If either of the bio parents can still look the other way and not make a stink about the investigation of their kidnapped child from a public school, then surely there are skeletons in someones closet(s) that they want to keep hidden, IMO. WTH?
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OT: Rose – I had the same experience last year, moving my college grad out of her and her 3 friends house that they occupied for 2 years. Good God, what a mess…and these were 4 uber-responsible smart young women. I shudder to think of the messes at other college places with less-responsible kids residing. ICK.
Bernstein contributes to Smith’s byline.
Let’s hope Smith goes independent of B someday and does her
own reporting.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/08/former_portland_police_chief_m.html#incart_big-photo
kudos Gwen.
If so, wrt the mustang.
maybe she knew it and that’s why she took the truck.
And left Kaine in the Trackee seat on 6/4.
If true, it also would show either his
controlling nature or depending
on the date affixed his prior
intent to divorce.
O/T
@ Rose, ATG et al
Here’s what’s going on re water in my neck of the woods…
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Erin-Brockovich-Law-Firm-Investigating-Contaminated-Water-Military-Horsham-Willow-Grove-NAS-PFOA-PFOS-382104591.html
Both of the vehicles purchased by Kaine Horman were Fords. The truck and the mustang. Ford has an extensive electronics package that includes GPS functions with a yearly subscription to the ford service.
It is a very complex system. The owner’s manual devotes many pages on how to use it. There are so many variables that the company supports training classes at the dealerships so that people will learn how to use the features. Some of these functions may be stored in a memory location just as the diagnostic information. The intent is to compete with the GMC plans initiated on the Cadillac line (the On-star program).
I spent hours learning the system that is place in Mrs. ATG’s 2014 Ford Edge.
There are diagnostic tools that will access memory in the Ford and other systems to give an English read-out of the codes it stores. These tools can be attached to a computer for further analysis.
To say that there is zero tracking on any Ford built since 2008 is likely not to be a true statement.
In the early 1980′s, GM initiated a computer driven system that could be accessed via the radio and the results displayed on the radio’s LCD screen for diagnostics. Today there may be a way via some coded input for an owner to access all the data. The Ford EDGE has two display areas. One for the driving information and another that allows access to radio controls and comfort controls.
Rose
Cleaning up a dwelling after a bunch of children with adult bodies gets to be a lot of work. I have been on both sides of that task, the landlord and the parent directing the activity.
Experience is a good teacher provided there is someone who can turn a tough job into a learning situation. Youth’s today have been spoiled rotten by parents and the school systems. The concept of responsibility is not being learned.
Thank you Gwen
All things that each of us contribute are important to consider. This blog for years has maintained good behavior from those who post. It is an island unto itself in the world of blogs. There is one person who is responsible for that and we know who that is, our Blink. We make the task easier when we attack a subject rather than the ability of someone.
Continuing the thoughts about the electronics in vehicles. Most people do not realize that there is a “black box” function in their vehicles that records time, speed, brake applications, left and right wheel turns and other things. The same as found on commercial aircraft. The Ford system, Called MY Ford, will report low tire pressure if it drops three PSI from the normal pressure.
So is it yet another coincidence that the Sheriff’s erratic behavior began six years ago? Wasn’t that when he took over as Sheriff? Just a month before Kyron went missing, wasn’t it? What was his behavior like before he became Sheriff? Why would he be promoted to Sheriff if he had been exhibiting erratic behavior prior to that? Or did his erratic behavior start after Kyron went missing?
Sheesh, I will never understand why no one is beating down the door to MCSO to have Kyron’s case transferred to the FBI, like yesterday.
I am challenged by the implications of corruption, and just plain “don’t give a crap” attitudes by so many involved. Maybe I look at it differently, but who is advocating for Kyron and why is the FBI not involved?
Malty. Since you posted here, the manageress of the Kyron’s Car Show FB, to whom the photographer sent his pics, and who controls their editing, has renamed Kiara with your name in two pictures. apparently you liked a pic in yr name. So now in 2 of kiara’s pics, kiara has been rechristened Malty Gibson. Someone call the 3rd party stalking monitor in charge of kiara’s best interests in to deal with the manageress of kyrons car show’s FB who both posted her pics and later (since we first saw it), naming her after a respected poster on BOC without that individual’s permission.
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BTW a certain KM, since the first pics publication, seems in comoetition with a carol knowlton for “liking” that virile strong father’s solo pics. Carol has been a volunteer since Dec 2010:
http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2010/12/breakfast_with_santa_keeps_kyron_at_forefront.html
This article mentioning Carol features Cindi Massei, who preceded KM in her online volunteer coordinating activities under Kaine’s direction.
@MBS. #11 today’s pic of MC presiding judge Waller.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/08/former_portland_police_chief_m.html#incart_big-photo
Family Court Chief Judge 2007-12.
Presiding MC Judge 1/12ff.
Assigned Kantor to Young’s case, and later Kantor to Kyron’s case.
Goodness knows why based on his judicial experience at that point.
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Marshman is attending, smilingly.
If I was suing someone in a civil suit in order to ferret out information on the disappearance of my child, I would care less what my previous medical records were. What would that have to do with finding my child now? Nothing. How on earth could my medical records, no matter what they held, have anything to do with my attorney trying to get information on what happened on June 4, 2010? I don’t get it. If they were subpoenaed, so be it, though I’d have to wonder in what capacity the judge would rule them relevant, when the issue at hand is whether or not TMH took and harmed or took and hid Kyron away somewhere. I guess what I don’t get is why TMH’s attorneys would request DY & TY’s medical records in the first place? Do we know for fact that they did? This wasn’t a custody battle, so what difference would anyone’s past medical records make?
As a seasoned attorney, Elden Rosenthal knew when he took on the civil case that LE was not going to hand over any of their information during an ongoing investigation. So why did DY really drop the civil case, which as we all know was to glean information on the events of June 4, 2010 in any way possible. IIRC, KH was all for this civil suit as well, saying something like the *gloves are off*. Would not ER have eventually subpoenaed and deposed Skyline employees as well? Is that why it was dropped? Was someone from Skyline the witness that met with the judge and attorneys that day, like maybe EM? Is that why the MCSO and DA’s office stepped in and asked for a stay? Were they protecting their investigation, or were they protecting PPS?
I know the suit was frivolous, but ER had to know that when he took it on, so why did he?
All this bugs the crap out of me. I so look forward to some kind of rhyme or reason.
@TRuth.
See B. It is possible Mrs Kantor’s years of volunteer
tutoring were in the startup years of Mrs Rosenthal’s business.
http://portlandliteracy.org/resources/program2014.pdf
In any case they have much in common.
according to a poster on PEPP today, Hamilton “hid” abuse at Ainsworth:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/194912-parents-seethe-as-system-stumbles%20
@TRuth wrt “If I was suing someone in a civil suit in order to ferret out information on the disappearance of my child, I would care less what my previous medical were.”
Unless medical records during pregnancy reflected issues suggesting congenital vulnerabilities.
Btw Kitz appointed Waller to the bench.
I suppose a high level political appointee
in his office could have asked waller
for a harmless favor.
Supposition from one of Blink’s remarks, I gather that it’s possible DY isn’t hiding a medical condition, but she gave custody of her precious sons to their fathers for some reason other than a medical one. It’s possible that she thought if that came out she might lose the sympathy of her supporters and be viewed by some as a bad mother.
Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, especially when a birth is not planned, and when the parent was not given a good family example to follow in their own childhood. Making best interest of the child decisions should not be held against a mother of father. It does not mean they don’t love a child, it just means they recognize within themselves they aren’t cut out for the job.
It is sad to think that the judgement of others could prevent this mother from facing the truth, to help find the truth. It does put a spin on the two mothers wanting Kyron to move to Medford. What if DY still did not want to be a full time parent?
I was thinking the same thing. Or, this happened on the start of “his watch” so was he the one targeted by a child going missing from a public school in his county?
T. Ruth says:
August 17, 2016 at 1:47 pm
snip>
So is it yet another coincidence that the Sheriff’s erratic behavior began six years ago?
Rose
The .PDF link in your post #28 when read is just off the wall in education speak such as “authentic materials” (whatever that is) and the total misuse of the word rubric. If you don’t know what you are doing, just wing it and baffle them with BS.
This explains to me why schools are having so many problems in teaching concepts to students. If the teachers don’t know the subject, they cannot do their job.
I did a little research concerning devices that can be used to monitor activities in real time regarding vehicles. To my surprise, I found a little device that can be placed on the diagnostic connector located in the engine compartment.
This device will record on solid state memory all the information about the vehicle. Think of the USB solid state “memory stick” or “Thumb drive” used on a computer or pad. When removed, it uses “blue tooth” wireless technology to communicate with with a smart phone, pad or computer. The storage time is 100 hrs of operation. The readout device is the pad,phone or computer. The cost is under one hundred dollars.
Rose
Your AT&T tracking service with the map is a great idea. It will keep up with the person carrying the phone or tell you where the phone is located. That leaves the possibility that if something bad happened and the phone is thrown in a ditch or body of water, the child may not be with the phone.
erose says:
August 18, 2016 at 3:30 am
Supposition from one of Blink’s remarks, I gather that it’s possible DY isn’t hiding a medical condition, but she gave custody of her precious sons to their fathers for some reason other than a medical one. It’s possible that she thought if that came out she might lose the sympathy of her supporters and be viewed by some as a bad mother.
@erose, you may be onto something. If I remember correctly, Blink said there was no record of medical debt as claimed by DY
@erose says:
August 18, 2016 at 3:37 am
If he had relied on an off Rx-monitored-pharmacy supplier for oxy or other to manage pain in 5/10, and suddenly unexpectedly given his rank became Sheriff, could his supplier chain have acted to bring him under an iron fist. (control)?
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@Erose.
Imo a “judgment of others” thing, or a “my wild regreted choices” thing, or an “I had a psychotic break” thing resulting in loss of esteem from “soldiers” (and it woukdn’t as they are psychotic in their worship)
was imo insufficient to duck a deposition which would explore her Court-ordered Med Record production.
The only think I can think of that HER ATTORNEY feared was
1) notes (ie substance abuse) risking criminal charges within a S of L, or and less likely,
2) notes re pregnancy exposure of K to substances predictive of disabilities contributing to vulnerability to a criminal.
But that wouldnt have jeopardized DY like #1.
I don’t think Court of Public Opinion played a role in a med records dodge.
imo only criminal jeopardy would.
@Grandfather says:
August 18, 2016 at 9:54 am
I felt both wives had peter principled to the max
and settled down to old shoe professional self-identities,
but I was tongue in cheek about efficacy.
My point is I would be shocked
if they did not cross professional, or personal, paths long before
atty rosenthal and judge kantor got namerequested by ???? (suggesting emanating out
of Kitz’ Office).
“Unless medical records during pregnancy reflected issues suggesting congenital vulnerabilities.”
@rose, what difference would that make in finding out the events of June 4, 2010? (i.e., where TMH was (if I believed her guilty), who saw Kyron at the school, when and where)) those are the things I would be asking people, were I truly trying to find my son. Now, if DY’s civil lawsuit was brought for another reason. such as *pinnnig* this crime on TMH whether she did it or not, to satisfy some deep revenge or some other hidden reason to simply MAKE TMH the scapegoat, that would be different. But if her intent was to find out about events from that day, I see no reason for any medical records to be brought to bare, other than Kyron’s. I would like to know whose attorney sought whose medical records and why? What kind of pizzin’ match would this civil trial have turned out to be had it gone forward? It’s almost as if this suit was brought, not to further the investigation, but to direct the investigation as seen fit. Gosh darn I wish this case would be moved to the Federales.
Not Rose
among other really strong points, you said:
It’s almost as if this suit was brought, not to further the investigation, but to direct the investigation as seen fit.
Not almost, it was. I believe DY brought the suit after learning the gj returned a no true bill and she was facing a timeline statute of limitations issue. I distinctly remember Rosenthal’s first press conf- which in sum, said it was specifically going to make LE turn over their records – and I distinctly remember his last comments during the press conf of the dismissal when he was called on that- he responded he would not be able to discuss that. DY had absolutely every right to abate the suit yet preserve her right for remedy- I see this all the time with a potential criminal/civil overlap. Conversely here- being intimately familiar with the quality of the MCSO investigation yield I do not feel it is too big a leap to say (as I have done myself) it is entirely probable if Rosenthal had any half decent investigators that the civil case could and would have wagged this dog… if there were any evidence incriminating either TH or Spicher- keep in mind, the civil case followed the theory DDS was involved- whoever told Rosenthal DDS testified HAD to tell him what she said, and about the poly component or wth would he stop doing LE/MCDA job for them, getting paid for it, getting his client an award, all funded by donations. Oh, and btw, whoever told Rosenthal about the gj/Spicher breached Oregon bar ethics and Oregon statute- its sacrosanct people. ONLY Spicher can discuss that, period.
This was a be careful what you wish for scenario- there is not a scintilla of evidence of ANY crime against TH, and when the same was irrefutable about DDS somebody alerted Rosenthal- “btw- you are obligated to advise your client that she can expect a countersuit for attorney fees and damages because we just learned that our second gj on this case ( certainly subject to oversight) is not favoring an indictment (or worse). I mean, what ADA or DDA swears it suspended their 2nd GJ at the request of of a county sheriff? I have never heard of that- the DA is the sole “steward” of that process. ONLY the DA decides what lands in front of a gj (subject to statute in terms of admissible and relevant evidence).
In my view, “The interests of justice” is the last thing on anyone’s mind across the board.
B
Haven’t been following very closely here, even the information about Staton. Does anybody know where he was just before Kyron disappeared? Is there any reason to think that he would know who took Kyron and is protecting them so as not to lose his supplier. If someone is obtaining opiods, would the same supplier have a link to steroid-type stuff, too? i.e., was he in KH’s ‘circle’?
Am trying to remember how he got involved in the first place – Mult Co. Sheriff? Was that his job at the time? As I said, just hopping and skipping through posts for the past several weeks.
You can delete instead of posting if you want.
DY or DA directing the investigation thru her suit? While I agree with TRuth-Blink,
we have just seen for 6 years the to colleagues of Sheriff attest he was, dating was to 2010, highly erratic and mercurial, had little memory function, often untruthful, unable to direction operations reliabily, and feels the DA has no say over his work product. You cannot tell me the DA hadn’t heard same over and over from his ADAs’ mcso sources. What DA would try to mold one of Staton’s personally supervised investigations, or rely on it. Twould risk his license. And imo DY did not find Rosenthal. Someone suggested him and this suit gambit to her.
And imo I stand by DY would be likely to terminate her suit if a depo (based on med records) jeopardized her wrt criminal charges for something in those records, or as Blink says, significant civil $ penalties. You know, ingesting illegal substances while pregnant (with a damage outcome to fetus, ie vision) falls under criminal statute in most jurisdictions.
How could one meet the burden of such a charge? I don’t disagree that an attorney would have concerns if the possibility existed- but I am unaware of any diagnosis either Kyron or his Mom had from any exposure or substance that might merit such a charge and considering Kyron was unavailable for exam, I can’t think of how that would be a real risk to DY (if true). I can’t think of how one could prove causation/specific intent.
I am strictly thinking of the possibility of a potential criminal nexus- the effect of such intel in a civil case to be presented would absolutely come out in a deposition of someone- or in med records. Which means a jury is going to be aware of their obligation (ultimately) to assign liability. In some jurisdictions if you are found to contribute to your own injury, you are entitled to zip as compensatory, and possibly triggering punitive limit or worse. Let’s “suppose” it was prove-able DY had given false public statements, and sworn statements regarding a medical condition she did not have, OR was self-inflicted. As I recall one of the allegations of the civil suit was TH lied to the media ( ok, that was outright laughable anyway). Good flipping luck if one has done that as well. I think this is also a case of DY poorly advised- after all- it wasn’t her own money, UNTIL and IF a counter suit was successful.
B
Sheriff Reese runs for election in Nov.
His campaign needs Patrol and Corrections Unions’ endorsements as well as the DA’s.
He’ll get Marshman’s. He’ll get Chief Judge Waller’s, and Kafoury’s.
Inoffice he will be judged by 2 things, and the press will be all over it.
1) corrections mgmt as he has no experience, and
2) budget mgmt.
The Horman case is lowest imo on his priority pole;
questioning an investigation either inhouse or with the DA is the polar
opposite of his political interests. He needs to transfer it to an agency
in a position to make his predecessor the fall guy.
FBI is only option, agreed.
B
So the jeopardy may have been she committed perjury in a GJ about her prior medical treatment & Underhill alerted Rosenthal to that. Personally, I don’t think the threat of a civil suit for attorney’s fees etc coming out of her own pocket wouldn’t been enough to stop her. Whoever alerted Rosenthal to a GJ witness, GJ outcome, or potential jeopardy violated disciplinary rules, but likely more. Look at Kane’s outcome from her GJ testimony in PA.
That is a possibility- the gj members themselves are the ones asking questions.
B
https://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/12/04/13754/oregon-earns-f-judicial-financial-disclosure
was just looking up waller. not.
Would I be right in assuming the only relevant records would be the 4 parents and Kyron’s? Would DY give up on her case against TH because of KH’s 911 call and his steroid use/abuse? What other motivation could DY have other than preventing TH from winning the custody battle? She wouldn’t give a fig about TH’s records being exposed, so that just leaves TY and he own.
T. Ruth says:
August 14, 2016 at 10:45 pm
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*THE CONCERN* clearly was about someone else’s medical records and the detriment to the investigational theory in its third year.
B
Great Question. In my view, the order enabling their use seemed “generously “broad” to me, inasmuch as it allowed either party to introduce med records (for the sole purpose of) to prosecute or defend the suit. This overcomes hurdle #1- that med records are discover-able by either party in the first place- This means that technically, both parties already have permission to seek them and if anyone is going to file an objection to admissibility- it is really going to have to be something out of scope but more importantly, the bell of the content cannot be un-rung. Translation- both camps are gonna know the info and if it helps them argue vigorously or Plan B it in. Been there, done that, very effective.
Terri’s lawyer already sought the release of the Dec 911 call re Kaine’s medical issue and was denied- so we can assume ( and I will be clarifying this in pub) that information does not implicate TMH and likely impeaches the allegations made by Kaine. If the strategy of Rosenthal (via DY) was to influence a jury that if TH is capable of attempting to off her husband and LE validated that through the FAPA- I can say with certainty that call and any associated records would be admitted into evidence. It would not, in any way, bolster any claims, civil or criminal that it was a result of TMH nefarious behavior. Apologize for the length but I felt your very specific question required a very specific response, lol, and simply stated- I do not believe for a second Rosenthal thought the order would end up reciprocal and when it did, and I mean, the day it did- you have all civil parties (and non- DA) but TH moving to abate (not filing a reconsideration because as you know that is going to require a reason on behalf of the party seeking it). For me, the only reasonable conclusion is that the order provided immediate access to medical records, or a lack of medical records to bolster or impeach previous public or private statements DY did not want TH or her attorneys to have. The only dog in the fight I can see that sends Underhill and Staton have is that something is perceived to conflict with what was presented to a GJ, conflicts with Odonnell’s “impressions” and would have blown the entire maelstrom in the front door.
The eve of suit coming off abatement- which of course renews the permission for TH to seek DY medical records, and likely officially receive any others of any party she is entitled to- DY withdraws the suit in what I would characterize as the most frenetic public appearance of hers to date.
It reminds me of one of the only public comments Steven Houze ever made in the case- inviting the media to scrutinize its lack of merit as they scrutinized other legalities concerning Ms. Horman.
DY’s confabulations were set to meet reality of interpretation. Cue plug yank.
B
This is what makes me think it is DY’s and it is not what’s in them, but what is not in them. But not for the reasons I previously stated, namely shame, apparently someone saw the legal implications her case would do to her, namely perjury not to mention as Blink states her credibility.
Rose says:
August 16, 2016 at 5:05 pm
don’t know if it was her records or his tho.
I’ve assumed it was hers.
goodness knows coukd’ve been his.
[Blink]
Add to that the lack of records. Hypothetical: You know, like, if you claimed you sought medical treatment as an emergent necessity requiring you to relinquish custody and you swore in an affidavit this was true and correct. In a tort suit- as we all know, damages/relief awards are assessed and/or portioned based on liability percentages for one thing, in my view, if someone were less than 100% honest on that-it would not only hold great weight, but could possibly prejudice a jury.
B
Yep Rose. Missed this one on my first read, I have also evolved. Could there have been a more effed up series of circumstances from the lackadaisical school to the agitated sheriff to the oddball family reactions. So clichéd but if this were a movie, no one would believe it and to think a county judge can rip apart a mother and a child is so frighteningly unconscionable it hard to believe others are scared. All this after a child goes missing from a public school which is again so frightening to any think parent in and of itself.
I know TH was adopted (me too as I’ve stated), so to bond with non-blood family is our normal, but I can’t help but wonder what if she was Kyron’s bio Mom. I think we would being seeing a different picture here. And the sad thing about that is, is from everything I have read, she was his real Mom.
Rose says:
August 14, 2016 at 10:51 pm
I have evolved.
absent any evidence, god bless TMH
and her daughter
Not to sound bias, because I am definitely not, but I think what is critically important here is that Kyron absolutely considered Terri his Mom, in fact called her that, and I have interviewed countless people in TH past and from 2010-forward who did not even realize Kyron was not her biological child. It is undisputed by ANY party I am aware of that TH, in role as mom, spent more time raising Kyron than his bio Mom. since birth. One of the things I initially admired about DY was what you pointed out the other day- I believe that for a time and then in Kyron’s best interests, DY made the decision that Kyron was in better hands than hers for the majority. In my view, that WAS putting her sons needs ahead of hers and their are now 2 mothers to her sons that have not been acknowledged properly. It has truly bothered me that Dy seemed to walk back on that. In investigative terms- we call that pre-offense behavior and there was zero indication (even by the CART folks) TH exhibited anything but concern for Kyron and took steps to evaluate potential causation. Again.
B
correction: any *thinking* parent
interesting, B & erose..
I did forget to add that I am supposing Rosenthal was only told about the med records concern when prodded by some means to discuss the potential for risk with his client- AFTER the order. Such questions at intake and pre file you would think would be obvious in a suit seeking $10 mil and I do not mean to insinuate that DY withheld anything- once again, I believe she has poor advisors with limited acumen to be giving advice.
B
The only advisor we public know
for sure she has is Sister. Then
husband.