Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview
New York, NY- For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case. Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.
Horman courtesy of People
Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions, and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.
In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning, Horman maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.
“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”
“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”
Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.
“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent. I want her to tell me where Kyron is. If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”- Desiree Young
“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date. To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page
Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney, Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.
Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview. Um, What?
Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.
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So the thing about the medical records being a stalling point in the ten mil TORT against TH maybe wasn’t that there was some medical condition that someone had that was so severe that it needed to be kept a secret.
The problem was that someone’s medical record was mis-represented by them in the media and maybe to the GJ and LE. So that everyone finding out that they had been misled about the medical history of the plaintiff in said TORT suit could have spoiled the outcome and may even have cost the mis-leading party some monies. Especially since lying to the media was one of the points brought up by the suit.
Some times it seems that DY stretches the truth about things where lying seems unnecessary I suppose its just that she likes to add extra drama to everything.
Blink, You have me fervently googling info on pre-offensive behavior. I so appreciate the in-depth response.
JonBenet case- best overall case comparison to date- imo.
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@cd. that sort of lying (litigiousness, and stalking,) is indicative of characterological problems, and she is not
the only significant other in K’s life with a characterological issue. aiso recently Staton’s work colleagues laid same at his feet.
In addition to his own untruthfulness, by omission if not comission, the other bio had serial adulteries allegedly. And, until I saw that truck,and public performane, I had not drealized how drieven that bio also is for attention, which K’s abduction has fed beautifully.
@erose. can you share a few fervent googling links
I find little on preoffense behavior on my phone,
and find reading this article excerpt impossible.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ABQeBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=preoffense+behavior&source=bl&ots=0RnTz8TH9R&sig=Au0DWcTfKsPCmPSUN7_N5J9gAEM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikm8y1pNDOAhWBmx4KHccOAXUQ6AEIIDAB#v=onepage&q=preoffense%20behavior&f=false
But I gather the important variable iscorrelating an individual’s preoffense and post offense behaviors.
In this, both bios are consistant.
tho not related to Kyron’s offense, one might consider
behaviors related to potential offenses against others to include
untruthfulness and false testimony.
I am struck by last 2 sentences on 171.
just as a hypothetical,
preoffense behavior in Hypo1
1) conducting an affair while threatening to remove 2 boys (1unrelated) from mother
(attested to in her RO & divorce)
2) conducting an affair while 1 unrelated stepson must be sent away surreptitously;
the other disappeared prior to dr apptmt.
Theory: aggression and control issues to spouses and sons
whilst having underattachment to spouses and exacerbated narcissistic attachment to her sons.
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Hypo2
1) unstable behavior of some sort resulting in divorce1.
2) unstable behavior of some sort resulting in divorce 2.
3) angry retaliatory behavior to Divorce 2 spouse on national TV.
4) angry retaliatory behavior to include stalking to Div2wife in every media possible.
Thanks for the interesting conversation regarding the inclusion of med records in the civil suit. I had been thinking that they would have also included Kyron’s, but I never thought about KH’s. So, had not even considered that the reason for the Dec 09, 911 call made by TMH would become transparent, perhaps by the revealing of KH’s medical records, and provide possible exculpatory evidence in regard to the MFH investigation.
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erose, made for TV movie, yep, who would believe it, with all the twists and turns and coincidences?
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I think the most intelligent and self-serving thing that Reese could do for his department is transfer Kyron’s case to the FBI. Firstly, MCSO, shouldn’t have had it in the first place and for whatever reason, he forfeited it to Staton when he was with PPB, so why would he want it now? The case is cold anyway, so doing so, would free up whatever detective(s) he still has following it in any capacity,as well as transfer the tip line to the Fed’s, which helps his budget. But also, at this particular point in time, all the blame for no progress on this case, could lie with the former Sheriff. Clean slate for Reese. I hope he does it, I think he’ll look smart and with any luck at all, maybe the case will be solved by the FBI at some point in time which will just make Reese look like a hero for doing so.
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T. Ruth says:
August 18, 2016 at 5:18 pm
Blink says:
(snipped)
“I mean, what ADA or DDA swears it suspended their 2nd GJ at the request of of a county sheriff? I have never heard of that- the DA is the sole “steward” of that process. ONLY the DA decides what lands in front of a gj (subject to statute in terms of admissible and relevant evidence).”
Wow, I don’t recall that being said. The DA suspeneded the GJ at the request of Staton? Holy crap, if that happened what the heck does that tell us, other than: Staton had nothing, but conjured up bullshit. Good grief, one more reason for Reese to drop this case into the FBI’s lap like a hot potato.
CDA Rees stated he suspended the GJ on more than one occasion at the request of MCSO- no other interpretation of that I am aware of.
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“Pre-offense” behavior. I would assume means one’s behavior before the crime occurred and post-offense, one’s behavior after the crime occurred. One cannot analyze any significant change without knowledge of both. So who is acting differently and why?
In DY’s case, we saw her in early interviews go from saying TMH gave Kyron everything he needed, then later on to saying Kyron was unhappy and she (DY) should have seen the red flags. So how is it she went from saying Kyron was happy to unhappy? She is convinced she was blind to Kyron’s demeanor now, and that she was wrong about him being happy with TMH. Of course, then again, recently, she seems to have switched horses in midstream when her response to TMH was that Kyron was loved by everyone, therefore, in her opinion, could not have been being abused.
So, the question remains, how and why did DY go from pretty much supporting TMH as Kyron’s mom-in-place, to vilifying her for her treatment of her son? What would cause that change? Did someone truly show her some sort of evidence that TMH hated Kyron? She tells us someone did. She said she “saw” the hatred emails. She said she, didn’t want to believe it, but now is convinced. What did she see? Who showed it to her? Something/someone certainly altered her thinking, or maybe it’s simply that she was not paying attention to her son in the first place and what she thought was a happy child, living in a loving environment was all a pipe dream of hers, and she simply had not paid enough attention to him until after he disappeared. IDK
I can sum this up easily: If not Terri, who?
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T. Ruth says:
August 18, 2016 at 5:18 pm
Blink says:
whoever told Rosenthal DDS testified HAD to tell him what she said, and about the poly component or wth would he stop doing LE/MCDA job for them, getting paid for it, getting his client an award, all funded by donations. Oh, and btw, whoever told Rosenthal about the gj/Spicher breached Oregon bar ethics and Oregon statute- its sacrosanct people. ONLY Spicher can discuss that, period.
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That certainly makes sense. But then why wasn’t this brought before the bar? Say, by HouzeofBunches?
I don’t know that it wasn’t, specifically. I personally think that would fall on Stavley if he had reason to believe an ethical violation occurred.
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OT ER doing other personal injury tort in medford.
pathetic settlement for an infant imo. He gets a sizeable part.
at trial would’ve been worth much more if he had a case.
http://m.mailtribune.com/article/20150320/NEWS/150329918
I think that may be an issue of poor court reporting- if the court is in control of the childs settlement Atty fees must have been separate.
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http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Dan%20Staton%20HR%20investigation.pdf
Good grief, how can anyone read this, who had any kind of case ever/or being handled by this screwed-up organization be satisfied that the case was handled efficiently, appropriately and legally during Dan Staton’s tenure as Sheriff? Are there any other missing person or murder cases that are/were directly under the MCSO control? How about steroid busts? The statements made by the other officers in here, make it sound to me like a good argument to get a case, any case, reviewed under the law.
Can’t ya’ hear it now: (MY OWN scenarios) *Officer Gates, did Dan Staton ever ask you to never mention that other evidence? Why yes he did, and I was afraid of losing my job, so I round-filed it. How about you Officer Moore, did Staton ever tell you not to bother going down that particular investigative path? Why yes he did, and so I never brought it up again for fear of being fired. And you officer Shults, after your stay at the Horman residence, who was in the meetings when you briefed your command staff of your stay? I am not allowed to divulge that information, because it was in the Sheriff’s office and everything there is confidential. If I were to tell you I’d be fired.*
Brother, a bunch of cops afraid of doing their jobs, because doing so might get them fired or even sued? WTH? Never disagree with the Sheriff, never bring up an alternative view to solving a problem, how is that constructive to getting anything done at ANY level? Oh, and for heaven’s sake never go above the Sheriff’s head when you absolutely know he is out of bounds! (Bravo to you gals and guys who had the gonads to do so!)
Please DY, KH and any other powers that be, get this case moved!!!!
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Btw, TM’s comments in the above document about Staton’s crude remarks about the DA, makes it wound as though Sheriff Dan was ticked off because the DA was just basically jerking-around, as in doing nothing, in some regard where Staton wanted the DA to make a move. Makes me wonder if it was Kyron’s case they were discussing, when said incidence occurred.
(transcribed, couldn’t copy paste):
DA Underhill excitement
Context – Wasn’t about DA’s excitement rather DS’s frustration that the meeting went nowhere. TM remembers DS saying DA was “jacking off all over the table” with hand gestures. Women were in the room. Felt it would be out of bounds with all males even further out of bounds because there were women present.
(Moore’s recollections begun on page 28 of the above report.)
Rose, I am looking for the context in which in might apply to DY. Surely, we aren’t speaking about pre-offensive criminal behavior. Now, help me understand pre-offensive behavior as it related to JonBenet. Here is where I started, not exactly a subject with vast online resources.
http://highered.mheducation.com/sites/0072564938/student_view0/chapter8/chapter_outline.html
file:///C:/Users/south/Downloads/serialkiller_part02%20(1).pdf
I apologize, I re-read my comment response to you and it seems a sentence or 2 was dropped- so it was inartfully ambiguous, lol.
When I said: In investigative terms- we call that pre-offense behavior and there was zero indication (even by the CART folks) TH exhibited anything but concern for Kyron and took steps to evaluate potential causation. Again.
I was referring to the contradiction of Terri seeking to evaluate Kyron for behavior areas of concern being inconsistent with pre-offense behavior with someone planning to kill him or stage/perpetrate a kidnapping.
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BTW I did not mean to imply ER did not have a case. He did.
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My opinion of father’s behavioral persona built on his public appearances and statements, incorporates some comments about a major figure in another case which also seem apropo here:
From that first press conference right through car show 5 with his truck and talk, father shows a tremendous drive for recognition and attention as well as power and exclusive control. He is organized, pays close attention to details, and has carried out complex plans. He has the need and ability to control others, and is in some position of power or authority at work. Being of high intelligence, he is employed as a professional. He has an ability to communicate with reasonably good social skills, but in everyday personal relationships he comes across as a very cold and insensitive person.
OT
wrt Ramsey’s “profile”, McCrary points out it merely characterizes pre and post offense behaviors.
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1997/07/24-2.html
McCrary’s comments are helpful in distinguishing profile from pre/post offense behavior.
The article helpfully says profiles do not exclude other investigatory avenues.
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The result of mcso, DA, bios, and others like Rackgel saying Terri did it was to rule out
LE obligation or professional any attempt at profiling the perpetrator or examing pre and post offense behaviors of any reasonable suspects.
That comes under the heading of post offense behavior of bios. I get why DY did it (remorse.)
I don’t get Kaine’s wilful collusion in a misdirected investigation.
Kaine’s post offense behavior is the polar opposite of father Ramsey’s imo.
Agreed, but I would have to factor in the issue he was facing potential criminal charges in an unrelated matter and of course he actually believed his spouse was involved. Very different dynamics.
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*begin, not begun* It’s hot here, what can I say.
Missed this:
Newly retired Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton has asked the county to pay $18,802.66 in personal legal costs he incurred in the wake of a top deputy’s complaint of a hostile work environment.
(snipped, more@link)
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/319013-198592-newly-retired-sheriff-dan-staton-wants-county-to-pick-up-18000-legal-tab
That. Guy.
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Seems to me (imo) the most salient feature of father’s post offense behavior besides the drives for recognition and control are his use of the Royal We when delivering content updates on the investigation’s status and activities as though he were a member of the LE team on the case.
rose, have you perused Staton’s re-election contributors? If not, here’s a link.
https://secure.sos.state.or.us/orestar/gotoPublicTransactionSearchResults.do?cneSearchButtonName=sort&cneSearchContributorTxtSearchType=C&cneSearchFilerCommitteeRsn=24508&cneSearchPageIdx=1&cneSearchButtonName=next&cneSearchFilerCommitteeTxtSearchType=C&sort=asc&by=TRAN_DATE
It’s interesting to me that most if not all the people who now accuse Staton of misconduct contributed to his re-election in 2014, from Ritchie to Yankee to Gates and others. If they thought he was doing such a crappy job, why do that? We’re they forced to, or lose their jobs?
Two companies who donated a lot of cash are Witham & Dickey & CFM Strategic Communications. Someone named Samuel Watson donated $5K. Maybe the same Samuel Watson who owns a medical marijuana dispensary?
Super interesting T. Ruth, thanks.
Also very interesting- Rackner gave to Underhill, as did Krafve and O’Donnell.
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2011 –
Roller derby teams raise money for Kyron Horman search fund
Created on Wednesday, 16 March 2011 07:05 | Written by (none) |
Southern Oregon roller derby league Sis-Q Rollerz will raise money in late March for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Kyron Horman Search fund.
The league’s ‘Spring Fling-Her’ on Saturday, March 26, will give 30 percent of ticket sales to the fund. The event is at the Roller Odyssey in Medford, 2425 S. Pacific Highway.
Kyron Horman’s mother, Desiree Young of Medford, is part of the league’s Lithia team. She helped plan the fundraising event.
The Sis-Q Rollerz team will be joined by skaters from the Mt. Shasta Mighty Rollers and The North Coast Roller Derby Tsunami Sirens. A half-time show also features a children’s performance.
Ticket prices are $13 in advance, and $15 at the door. Children 10 and younger are free. Doors open at 6:30 p.m. and the action starts at 7:30 p.m.
http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=3882
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I just have two questions. Did Desiree do support things like managing, accounting, ticketing, publicity, help with charity work, etc., or did she actually skate on the team? I’ve looked at lots of articles and videos (of both Southern OR teams), but that has never been clear to me. She said Kyron liked to go and watch – not clear whether watch the matches or watch her.
Has she stayed with roller derby activities since leaving Lithia? On the one hand, she seemed so fragile since Kyron’s disappearance, on the other hand, it seems like a great way to get support and deal with anger, aggression, and loneliness in a healthy way.
I can’t even skate, but I appreciate the courage it would take to go out and get knocked around, and the closeness the team apparently has, not to mention costumes and cheering from the crowd.
Oops – question #3 – if she was/is a skater what has been her skating name?
Here’s another, more comprehensive article from 2011:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/kyron_hormans_parents_still_tr.html
I guess Witham&Dickey did all his printing, brochures, etc., for free and it wasn’t really a cash contribution? IDK, rose gets this stuff better than I.
OT interesting comments from a profiler
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/325434
I studied under Fitzgerald ( Academy Group). One thing I have to say about him and other FBI (r) former section chiefs- when they got it wrong- they absolutely said so. I find doing so is tremendously beneficial to other investigators. I would also say based on my studies there was a fair amount of cases where profilers advice was ignored with dire consequences to an investigation.
This continues to stymie me in Kyron’s wrt SZ. If one is of the opinion that Kyron was taken by SZ- and I can tell you as a point of fact MCSO is, wth was a profile and description never released to forward the investigation? Elizabeth Smart was rescued because of this and I can also tell you the agent assigned was pulled from the case for supplying it, among other strategy disagreements. In my view he is the cases hero.
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@Blink. wrt “he actually believed his spouse was involved. ”
Really?
Did Kaine believe Terri was involved in Kyron’s disappearance once he was told Odonnell’s version of RSE? Yes, I believe he did, I can’t say if he thought that it was direct or tangential- but I do believe he felt Terri was responsible.
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Thank you for the clarification Blink re yr comment.
as I read the Terms preoffense and postoffense behavior
analysis can be applied to significant others in the victim’s
life for a better victimology understanding,
as well as to analysis of potential SZs, latter example is anthrax case.
Some of my posts are not showing up, while some I posted later are, so just a heads up to those reading here, that they will eventually make sense, I hope.
T. Ruth says:
August 20, 2016 at 12:53 pm
I don’t know that it wasn’t, specifically. I personally think that would fall on Stavley if he had reason to believe an ethical violation occurred.
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Hmmm, is it possible that Stavely himself (with his client’s permission) told Rosenthal that his client had both testified before the GJ and passed a LDT, with an assumption that Rosenthal would then drop the civil case, saving his client attorney fees in the long run? That would make sense to me. ?
No.
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I was referring to the contradiction of Terri seeking to evaluate Kyron for behavior areas of concern being inconsistent with pre-offense behavior with someone planning to kill him or stage/perpetrate a kidnapping.
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According to the hater group, this was all part of the plan. They alleged TMH made all this up, and that Kyron wasn’t exhibiting any behavioral changes, she only made this up so she could blame her nefarious deeds on some non-existent perp. Which could have been believable at one point, if not for KH finally admitting there was some strange behavior (he assumed was sleep deprivation, WTH?) and years later DY admitting Kyron’s changes in behavior actually went as far back as a year prior to his going missing.
Sigh….I still wish TMH & DY could make a list of notes of Kyron’s behavioral changes with dates and times, even if general, such as behavior “1″ happened in Summer of 2009 and “2″ was exhibited in early 2010, noticed “3″ behavior began in winter 2009, etc.
Compilation and comparison of such notes might just lead to some event or person. Maybe throw in his teacher(s) notes as well. 1st and 2nd grade. Has this ever been done? Wouldn’t the FBI profilers have sat down with all of these people in Kyron’s life and asked for this sort of thing? How else could they come up with a profile for the little guy without doing exactly that? And once they’ve done that, do they share or do they not share their results with the family? Answering my own question, I guess they could not, if, in fact, no one in the family has been cleared. Which I guess they could not clear them, because they know Kyron was not physically taken by any of them. ????
Which makes as much sense as anything else to come out of the cauldron vapor. There is agreement between all parties that Kyron was exhibiting “new” behaviors about a year prior to his disappearance. This is relevant. One person I am aware of sought to identify the problem who has a very specific educational and “practice” background and spent the most time with him.
So the master plan was TH was going to call this out, request a medical evaluation with his teachers observations and input and the next day he disappears at her hand, when she is 12 miles away on camera. There is truly no shortage of unreasonable and ridiculous baseless “theory” in this case. It is no wonder he has not been found.
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Did I already ask this?
Someone told TMH that Kyron was seen with a male chaperone and two unidentified girls. Was TMH also told a description of said male by whomever told her?
Did LE tell her that, or was it someone present there that day?
If the answer is up-and-coming in the piece, then as Gilda would say…..nevermiiiiiind.
I will answer this much- LE told her a version of that early on.
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mcso probably never got their version straight–then or now–internally, imo.
Do you know generally when TY moved in with DY?
Yes, but DY moved in with TY. 2005, iirc.
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@ Blink, re Kaine putting his eggs in O’Donnell’s basket and acting on hus opinion and advice.
Kaine is a highly intelligent, educated it professional.
So, this is one we can agree to disagree on. He lived with Terri for years, married her, and watched her parent 3 disparate children well. On the other hand, any IT pro would google Bob O’Donnell and would immediately see (Guisto transcript) Bob had plenty of personal problems relating to his own wife, colleagues, and temperment. A man in K’s position would’ve looked up at least that easy peasy info, traumatized or not, before talking with his wife. He was likely also influenced by brother’s imminent sentencing and his own prospects of charges. But that is just when a normal man would most want wife and kyron’s daily mother in his corner.
I am not seeing us disagree on any of that Rose?
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OT. Honduras, religion connection.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/20160821_ap_db2ae70acf544574adcc2cf49716de74.html?mobi=true
@TRuth says: August 20, 2016 at 6:40 pm
will get the energy in a couple days after move in day today (many more
bags of trash, thrift store run & others, cleaning). One’s nitemare is the movein place is not
clean, set up. Duh.
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Any of Staton’s command staff who did not donate in 2014 was foolish.
imo only 2 Union Pres were home free. Interestingky, Yankee, Ritchie reaped no benefit.
State law should prohibit employee donations to elected supervisors.
Ordinarily, I can’t see mcso line employees like ODonnell contributing to a DA when THEY HAVE NO HISTORY of
donating to political candidates? Did ODonnell or Kafvre have a history of political donations?
As for Rackner, I’m more into social networks going back decades and family systems at Beth Israel, Havurnah, and Nevah. Not that that relates to Underhill, but a lot of these folks seem to have each others’ backs based on the ties that bind. (the silver and gold of friendship and mutual support)
No, neither Det has any other contribution history.
Something else I learned- in my jurisdiction (and many, many others) LE must live in the county they serve, or within 2 miles of their precinct report. Apparently not true in MCSO.
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Blink, On your page. TH did not exhibit any pre-offensive behavior that we know of. All we are aware of with the bios some of what they did or didn’t do that day. KH traded cars with TH (his idea or hers?) and he left the house at 5-ish am that day and came back (routine or not?) before K went to school in time to promise ice cream and tell him he was proud (ice cream b4 he went to Medford?) and he was home early afternoon (again, routine or not?). All we know about DY is she cancelled her plans to be at the SF.
If not the parents, then who changed their routine/behavior or pre-abduction? When did Cook move to town (1 year b4?). Did he who shall not be named ever meet Kyron? Changes at school? Scouting?
To my knowledge DY never had any plans to attend the Science Fair.
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Blink
I am not a Psychic, nor pretend to be, but sometimes I just know things. I will know who committed a crime, and will know when someone is being accused of something they had nothing to do with. I have been trying to think of sometime I was wrong, and can’t
To get to the point. Kyron never left that school alive. I don’t think it was a teacher, but a janitor or some male that worked for the school. Someone that Kyron knew and trusted. I think his body was hid in a compartment of some kind and removed later. They have been looking at the wrong people all this time.
Welcome to BOC Eliza. I have not seen any evidence to support your theory, but in fairness, I am not aware of any to exclude it because I do not believe there is a single witness who saw Kyron leave the campus. I do believe that Kyron had to have been concealed in some fashion for SZ to go unidentified this long. Do you have any thoughts about what happened to Kyron while at the school?
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Hi Blink. I don’t personally buy Kaine ever believed in Terri’s involvement,
much less attributable to O’Donnell’s say so, that’s all.
Oh, got it.
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So to the extent Kyron visited Desiree, from 2005 (age 2?) to 2010, Tony was not
a new face or arrangement to Kyron. The wedding woukd’ve been a blip.
In 2005ff, if she moved in with him,
his hosting her 2 sons on custodial visits was mighty generous of him imo.
By all accounts I am aware of- Tony is a good guy who was a loving and supportive step-dad. Wedding Summer 2009- more on that in the piece.
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So if she moved in with Tony in 2005, and headed nirth when k was say a year,
she was not gone long (a year?). and moved in with Tony mighty fast after her return to Medford?
According to docs I have reviewed, gone 4-5 months, returned, new job where she met TY within few months.
B
Then TY was a decidedly stabilizing influence.
That is my belief following multiple collateral interviews.
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@Eliza. If SZ were a known male in the school, Ms Matthews, teacher, could have id’d him. I gather Kyron would not have gone outside with SZ but for Ms Matthews’ assent he should help, by nodding permission to the stranger’s request for help. One assumes SZ secured, silenced, and secreted K in some way to leave campus with him undetected and likely reentered the building for an alibi to been seen without K after he disappeared.
To add: I can tell you that the witnesses I am aware of did not know his identity and Le does not to date- but I do believe this offender had at least significant knowledge of the school layout and possibly some other intel for consideration when making his ingress/egress choices. Im gonna fault MCSO for not putting together that town hall I talked about earlier- chances are someone knew him, or people with long term access to the school (staff or tangential) might also paint a picture for further inquiry if nobody did.
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OT Keefer’s successor D Wood
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/07/five_new_principals_named_for.html
makes the news as principal at Access Academy (see Complaint against PPS in O or on PEPP site).
ot @mbs. Access looks great, and parents apparently “kill” to get in. There are SPED resources.
Some parents are very aggressive about school placement. (Not K wrt k imo.)
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/access/194.htm
I wonder if PPS stuck it to Terri (by omitting telling the truth about the abduction
to the public) because she was apparently Kyron’s only aggressive school
advocate. If she’d been unencumbered, imo a suit against PPS for negligence was guaranteed.
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wondering about O’Donnell’s motivators in June 2010.
You say he was “let go” from the CAT. one
assumes due to substandard performance
or temperment. So then he was motivated to solve the State’s
leading child case by recasting it as a child
abuse case, redeeming his apparently sorry professional reputation
by “solving” it with Terri?
I dont think he redeemed anything. He was thrown off the case and thrown under the bus by the DA.
B
Hm. Is there a basement to Skyline? My mind is really working on that one this morning.
Yes. I would also offer there are separate structures on the property that could be accessed.
B
The concept of Kyron being concealed on-site at Skyline is not a first time occurrence regarding a school building. There was a case where a Chinese woman working as a lead technician in a college lab was strangled and the body was hidden inside an electrical closet. It took several days for the body to be found.
It has always been a question regarding Kyron. Skyline is an old building first built in 1938 and upgraded several times. There is also an external building located behind the main building. Often in building remodeling, an area is blocked off by a new wall and not used. We don’t know how thoroughly the buildings were searched. Based on what we have knowledge of regarding LE and their lack of performance, there is a strong possibility that Kyron may still be at Skyline.
If this is actually what happened, it would point to someone who is familiar with the buildings with all their nooks and crannies. It would also require something to seal the body from the air and the odor of decomposition. Plastic wrap or something similar.
In addition to the buildings themselves, there is a wooded area adjacent to the school that is suitable for hiding a body.
The only way to know if the building upgrades created hidden areas is to get a set of all the drawings and compare them. That is assuming that the school district required a final set of “as-built” drawings and possibly photos of the construction in progress.
FWIW, and I will admit I am making a few assumptions- The school was ground zero and by 3:15ish that we know of, began to be the hub or command center for all search activity throughout the weekend. I have interviewed and spoken to numerous LE and SAR folks that both showed up and/or participated. The overwhelming majority of them were in and out of the building with no restrictions- in fact, when they ultimately learned that Kyron may have been last seen inside the building, some teams elected to withdraw because they felt it possible that both the school and grounds could be a crime scene- and they were all contaminating it. I do not know what agency officially cleared the scene except that it was definitely not the FBI or any of their assets.
Outside of some very unpleasant and very noticeable scenarios- it is INCREDIBLY difficult to hide a body or avoid its detection, most especially with 2 kinds of canines all over the place. If Kyron met his end at the school, and it is a very big if- I do not believe he is still there. I am aware of one witness who mentioned something about a creepy guy pushing around some sort of container which has always stayed with me- but doesnt mean its relevant to Kyron. ( Quizzi- the bat signal on ^^ if you are reading.)
B
If no one can identify the man Kyron exited the building with, then why would he, a total stranger, feel the need to come back in for an alibi? If he’s a total stranger, who could alibi him if no one knew he was there, unless he made a point to converse with someone when he came back in, in which case, why would there not be a description of the stranger?
If this man was caught on any camera/video tape, would he not have been identified by now? Would his image not have been released to the public for ID if not? The only thing I can assume is that LE has no decent description of the man Kyron was allowed to leave the building with. So how could EM let this child take off with some man she didn’t even really get a good look at? Clothing description, nothing? (Sorry for all my prepositions dangling, I’m being lazy.)
Or he looked very similar to many known individuals in attendance- which is my definite opinion.
B
Rose says:
August 20, 2016 at 6:18 pm
In regard to KH post-offense behavior as and coming across or wanting to be recognized as part of the LE team, the *Royal We*, absolutely seems to be the case. I know I don’t follow a lot of cases, but surely that isn’t the usual behavior of a parent of missing child, to refer to LE as many times as he has with the implied “we”. My gut feeling is that came about because of hosting TY in his home, who also was part of the “we”. KH jumped in with both feetonto that team. Or is it because he received a some sort of deal from the DA in regard to his steroid issues, which again, made him feel part of the team. IDK, but I don’t know if I could find another missing child case, where the parent referred to him/herself like they were part of the LE team, and privy to all such action.
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What if, anything, could be done to generate new leads in this case? What sort of thing has generated new leads in other cases? How about stating some actual facts from that morning. Like where Kyron WAS seen and when (don’t have to say by whom). A timeline and more information about Kyron might just generate new leads. Of course, releasing the fact that there was an unidentified man in the first place might help too.
I don’t think say being dumb or inexperienced or even venal explains what O’Donnell did–to Kyron first of all, then the famiky, then Teri, not to mention the SA and those poor grand jurors. Only adequate explanation imo is erratic Staton screamed at and threatened him and told him what to get done, and he feared for his job with newish wife.
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OT BTW did you see the press about the suit against the wanna be MO Sheriff for what he did to people on probation by Drug Court for drug useage. purely evil policing. I have an idea: if a candidate loses this fall, he shoukd run for Constitutional Sheriff in MO, OR, or AZ.
OT Here the suit is. Where is his Supervisor?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/meramac-recovery-center-informants_us_57bb246fe4b03d5136899e74?section=
I know that decomposition begins relatively quickly after death, but I do not know how long it takes to produce an odor that a human can detect or how fast a trained canine is able to detect the odor.
I once assisted (1957)a Louisiana State Trooper clear a head-on wreck that killed eleven people in two vehicles. We worked an hour in the hot August temperature and I detected no odor from the bodies. The accident happened about 15 minutes prior to my arrival.
I also remember the case in Mass. where a female math teacher was killed by a black student recently transferred from Tennessee. He used a garbage container with wheels to move the body from a restroom where she was killed to a wooded area adjacent to the school.
The person reported to be rolling around a wheeled container could have been a janitorial worker removing trash from the waste baskets in the classrooms. A normal activity.
If I remember correctly, Kyron ,at the time, was a small person for his age. Forty-five or less inches in height and probably weighed less than fifty pounds. Easy to conceal in a bag or other container and transport.
At any rate, maybe my notion is in the realm of wearing a tin hat and is not applicable at all. However, the case begins there at Skyline and the solution IMO will be from information at that site.
Post mortem interval is entirely subjective as to the crime scene/circumstances. I have seen canines trained to alert on the presence of adrenaline- or the fight or flight responses. Many times when a canine alerts when there is such a very short window (hypothetical) it may be that there was some biological artifact of the death that was undetected in the first place.
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