Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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very interesting Barker from Aloha agreed w/Gov
last Dec to be removed from Judiciary Chairmanship
just before his dau was put on the Mult Bench.
Legislators just don’t do that & Govs have no Legislative
Comm Ldrship voice. quid pro quo?
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Medford-located dhs cps should’ve gotten Court-involved with this homeless camping-out infant of addicts & placed him w/a vetted family member. https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/07/police-fbi-search-for-medford-child-2-missing-after-parents-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide.html
And the dhs cps is likely as bad as dhs foster care system.
Brown is probably the only Dem Gov in the country, w/her Dem AG Rosenblum, & w/her incompetent lawyers, who’d make this Federal Court argument that the Fed govt can’t hold State foster care agencies to Fed statutory standards when the State govt receives Federal foster care funds. Should be placed in Receivership under Fed Court supervision, & will be.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/07/oregon-officials-ask-judge-to-dismiss-federal-foster-care-lawsuit.html
Yes, they discussed it on Kaine and Teri’s porch openly, apparently.
@ Tarheel says:
July 22, 2019 at 11:52 am
Based on my memory while driving of Preet book, a US Attorney can chose to take over a State case on a Federal statute (if necessary) & direct the FBI to investigate. As I mentioned above, fat chance with either Dem or Repub US attorneys in Oregon unless a righteous damn the consequences attorney like Riddell was US Atty & deemed it necessary & just. This case is one he took jurisdiction over & charged. http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/17/new.york.kidnapping.suspect/index.html
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2011/manhattan-u.s.-attorney-charges-ann-pettway-with-1987-kidnapping-from-harlem-hospital
Hello all! I haven’t commented in a long time, but I’ve continued to keep up. I’m happy that the regulars and Blink have not let this case drift away.
We moved back to Ohio from Oregon in November, 2017 to care for both fathers who were elderly/widowed. Both have since died (October 2018). That would be the most abridged version of the past twenty crazy months I could come up with.
I have a question for Blink next.
Blink, this case could sit like this forever, true? Can TV ever file a lawsuit against DY if the case is never solved?
Nice to see you friend. Yes, I have a few cases I work on privately that are three times as old. But, imo, probably less solveable than this one.
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If ever an autopsy was needed for CTE, it’s Legen. Put your son in front of his older bro #2 in US inweight to be his daily punching bag for years likely w/out helmets as the boys “played”. Sure brain damage showed at school.
you guys….are awesome….I found myself linked to this investigation very early on and hung in there for some time….but…you all…wow…the tenacity and attention to detail….you’ve developed your own syntax…the abbreviations, references and synopsis…frying my synapsis…sadly after all this time….this boy…just wow
Nice to see you Jeff. I’m pretty humbled by the amazing readers and posters here myself. I do hope it will not be another 9 years before there are answers for Kyron.
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“According to the Medford Police Department, Salcido and Janiak were homeless and would often live out of their car. Although family members went to police in June with concerns about the whereabouts of the three people, Sgt. Steve Furst with the Medford Police Department said it was not uncommon for them to move around. Medford police had dealt with Salcido and Janiak off and on over the years, and the couple would frequently camp in a local recreational area. Janiak was known to have mental health issues.”
https://flatheadbeacon.com/2019/08/01/officials-identify-body-child-aiden-salcido/
Other reports said they camped on a Medford Greenway.
Every Medford PD officer & detective who crossed their path & was aware a homeless family kept their 2 yo in a car or campsite has blood on their hands. Should’ve been reported to CPSD & Court involved. With officer testimony at a Prelim, this was an easy peasy Court-ordered relative placement or foster home placement even with thise community college grad CPS workers OR employs.
I would have to review the statute, but until a child is school age and there is no evidence of harm etc to the toddler, they can raise a child in the woods if they choose. Fam needed to intervene if LE apparently could not be bothered. Breaks my soul.
https://youtu.be/25ErEizVDBg
Tat Mom on about 6:24
Experimenting with Wash My Mouth Out:
Kaine is FOS.
Well, he did say there is a multi agency approach and clearly contradicts Desiree. Good find Rose.
Kaine says on that interview Desiree lied period.
Wonder if Tat Wife had any prepubescent boy child?
Blink?
Agreed. No idea on the other.
Interesting comment about Kyron “getting rides” in some cool cars. Sorry, just still stymied at his public position and outlook and it’s incongruency.
anyone remember the name of Kiara’s
#2 fungible mother? the one
who decamped to Bartlesville OK
& returned for a Portland wedding?
Wherein Kaine states he expects Kyron to walk in the door & go to the next car show with him any moment:
https://www.kptv.com/news/annual-car-show-keeps-kyron-horman-s-voice-story-alive/video_02cf57f5-1721-5b8e-a026-ef8b9c7c88cf.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share
IMO
Violence in America. It is no mystery how hatred stalking and suggestions of violent actions are spread across the internet. We know of a site that does exactly that on Facebook ,right now. What happens when a deranged poster on soldiers site goes to the area Soldier has mapped out for them and decides to take matters into their own hands with a weapon. The haters who post on this site don’t seem to care if they spread hate and violence. They laugh when they get censored by facebook for violent raciest hate speak. What does this say to their children? it is no mystery where the violence and hatred comes from, Those kinds of people were always here it is just that now they have a voice on social media
https://abcnews.go.com/US/death-toll-rises-22-el-paso-shooting-victims/story?id=64780680
Progressing S L O W L Y , but thank you for asking.
found the name.
now in Denver.
real progress from Bartlesville.
Does Kaine allow her any contact
with the girl he tasked her to mother from ages 2 – ?
I’m struck by Kaine’s heightened self-confidence with an aggressive edge in his car show interviews, I reflected on kiara’s 3rd mother, circling him. Heavily tatting is akin to multiple body studs or ever-changing radical hair colors. It may be nothing, or it may be one component in a multifaceted clinical picture. I suggest it reflects at any rate fluid & permeable ego boundaries, a vulnerable sense of self. Just like Kaine’s priors. It was inevitable really when Terri took steps to an independent life that bad things would happen. Kudos for getting James out.
I do not think Kristen would leave her children— not only kiara but her dau in Portland at oshu, as well as a job she loved at Portland Aveda, & move to a family support base in OK, unless something very bad went down for her with Kaine. Kaine is as yet an untold story.
This is the danger of the Kaine/Desiree/Morris method of detecting:
“In the hours after the teen disappeared Friday, both an Endangered Missing Advisory and an Amber Alert were issued.
Lincoln police said those alerts created a flood of calls from well-meaning people that slowed the investigation.
Officers became bogged down when they “focused on triaging the numerous reports,” police said.
None of the information from callers assisted in locating the missing juvenile, said Lincoln Police Officer Angela Sands, a department spokeswoman.
https://www.omaha.com/news/courts/search-of-missing-lincoln-teen-s-cellphone-computer-led-to/article_00ca16ad-8cce-5b67-ae4f-193c626bbbcb.html
Though it does create fodder for mcso employees’ high wagesd personnel & OT.
“but until a child is school age and there is no evidence of harm etc to the toddler, they can raise a child in the woods if they choose. ” In my very very long ago CPSD, one could certainly raise a child in the woods if there was a lean-to w/toilet & running water. But not in a pup tent. & this was on a Greenway & in well known public spaces w/ parents who were junkies & well known to cops. It is reprehensible Medford Cty cpsd & police did not file for Temp custody.
I remember many a homeless family w/kids gokng to temp foster care til they got housing. Sometimes they were housed together in a shelter but more often the parent was drug involved & needed txmt, a job, + housing. Sometimes there was a relative. A kid in foster care was a quick route to jump a parent ahead on a 5-6 yr Sect 8 housing list. And DAs threw into a foster care petition any objective fact they cod. I remember when a medical record said “flea bites” the ADA added it. Bottom line, the Medford police who were aware of the homeless pup tent or car-sleeping toddler were negligent & were mandated cpsd reporters but didn’t.
You said “Interesting comment about Kyron “getting rides” in some cool cars.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
Brought to mind memories ie Kaine’s guys’ vacay in Germany to do cars & beer (was it Intel Michael R who organized?), and Terri’s spouse 2 Eckard who belonged to a Datson car club & undoubtedly went to car shows. Which brought to mind Kaine’s very bizarre treatment of James’ adoptive father.
Did you interview Terri about her role & sentiments, & James’, about refusing at their own door when he finally came in person desperate to see James, in saying “no.” Despite his paying hefty child support, and no history of bad fathering or abuse, he was refused any contact with the boy he’d parented. Replicates Kiara’s situation. (chickens coming home to roost for Terri.) Did Terry play ANY role in that decision or was it all Kaine?
If it was all Kaine, a very closed impermeable nuclear family boundary with “outsiders” is predictive of hidden abuse within the domestic unit.
You’d think Kaine would get on with an unthreatening Ex who goes to car shows.
@JeffD Call the syntax, abbrevs the joining twitter effect.
creates a writing style.
you said, “You know, for reasons that are still unclear to me (unless they are) Kaine pretty much does whatever he wants. B” http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-123/#comments
Once MCSO & the DA failed to charge him with coconspiracy in a steriod distribution network (which included members of diverse LE groups) , & steroid purchases, they were not about to scrutinize him for anything else because goodness knows what could pop up out of the woodwork with an uncontrollable story line. And he probably knew lparticipating govt employees.
Ecker btw has a spiffy LinkedIn up. imo salt-of-the-earth type. Too bad he parented James & put Terri thru college rather than go himself. imo his parents had insight. He’s clearly not Terri’s type so it is possible she married him to vet ahead—for support, fathering, & college bills, & freedom to put college, not work, first. imo she reveals herself as at that time opportunistic. It seems unlikely if she (tho unemployed)
were leaving Kaine w/ her 2 year old, she would not have had a Sugar Daddy waiting in the wings. (not Rudy but some white collar).
Blink, Slow and steady wins the race. Hang in. (What about Epstein.)
Then I about the Champ, lol.
Not professional of me, because I do believe there was misconduct within the jail that allowed him to be successful, but he is the problem of his penance now.
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Jeff D, After all of this time, where are you on theory? Thanks.
Rose, Thanks for the You-Tube post. You’re always on your toes.
IMO, KH is a slimy sneaky snake. I always have the feeling that he knows exactly what happened to Kyron, also that he gave him up to satisfy whatever he wanted, like getting rid of TH (which backfired anyway) or protecting his own self — Seemslike the “new” Mrs. KH applicants figured him out exactly? – unless they are dimwits. You don’t need to publish – I’m just feeling snarky. -and the world is partly full of dimwits and halfwits anyway.
So …what I’m wondering is: how can LO trap KH into giving up Kyron, or knowledge of him?
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got to say I love this neuroscientist pro-social paychopath
https://www.jordanharbinger.com/james-fallon-how-to-spot-a-psychopath/
Going to give a listen, thank you for posting Rose. Huge fan of Dr. Fallon’s work (as you know). I cited his work heavily in a lecture comparing/contrasting sociopathic and psychopathic traits. If I ever tackle a PhD it will be some sort of a conglomeration of his and Dr. Hare’s tutelage with a nod to its criminology aspects.
I have a lot of colleagues who throw that “psychopath” word around without ever having actually met or interviewed a worthy subject. That they know of, lol.
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Did his Wilson kids go to Skyline?
https://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/2019/08/former-portland-school-volunteer-caught-up-in-online-sting-accused-of-luring-minor.html
@Rose says:
August 5, 2019 at 12:39 am
Yep. Thanks for the YouTube click, Rose. That’s the first time I recall him 100% disputing anything DY has publicly said.
“We still need help with awareness. I know that recently there were some statements in the media made around honing in or limiting a search area, or uh, a few other things that might indicate that maybe there’s a light at the end of the tunnel on this thing, and that’s…that’s not the case. We are still actively looking for him. Umm, to my knowledge via the briefings ‘I’ve had’, there is no narrowed search area.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ErEizVDBg&feature=youtu.be
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This suggests to me that one of these parents aren’t receiving actual briefings at all. Personally, I think that parent is DY, mainly because most of the time she makes no sense. And then I have to ask myself why would that be? Why would either of these parents be getting different, conflicting information from LE? Or none at all? Either that, or DY doesn’t believe what she actually IS getting from LE, and simply makes her own stuff up to further her beliefs and fuel the fire at the KHWS websites to stalk TV.
Agreed. I will not be surprised at all if Kaine files a civil suit re the book and that was his first salvo. I don’t agree with his position either, and I do know he is in constant contact with MCSO. Notice he mentioned a dual agency approach?
What else will Kaine say at his Fundraiser of the year other than saying great things are happening because multiple agencies are dogging it,?& we’re searching searching searching. After all, searches are what got donations started in 2010. Marketing 101.
o/t Have any of you already talked about Mindhunter on Netflix? Worth it, IMO.
Mindhunter is an American crime thriller web television series created by Joe Penhall, based on the true crime book Mindhunter: Inside the FBI’s Elite Serial Crime Unit written by John E. Douglas and Mark Olshaker. The series is executive produced by Penhall, David Fincher, and Charlize Theron among others, and debuted worldwide on Netflix on October 13, 2017. In November 2017, Mindhunter was renewed for a second season, set to be released on August 16, 2019.
- Wiki
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virgina-man-killed-2-college-girls-cancer
I know this is the wrong thread but I did not want it to get lost in a thread seldom watched anymore. Morgan and Hannah are getting justice again. Karma is a bitch. Do you think he might fess up to more crimes which I feel he is probably responsible for?
Hope you are doing better Blink.
thank you ode. I do not believe Mathew will ever confess to anything, nor will he provide an honest account of his crimes. I also believe multiple people at least “knew” about Morgan once he parked his van.
compensation Injury, family member passing, I’m back.
No comments since August 6? Am I missing something?
o/t Looks like Susan Powell’s parents are going after social services.
https://komonews.com/news/local/trial-date-set-for-suit-over-violent-deaths-of-missing-mom-susan-powells-sons
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Looks like the only way AG Ellen’s Office can win cases.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/oregon-attorney-general-files-brief-calling-for-supreme-court-to-uphold-non-unanimous-juries.html
Are we in a new series of discussions??
No ma’am. Had to take some time off.
B
whew
@TRuth. missed your incisiveness during the hiatus
& grateful you type transcripts.
Interesting Kaine says there is not light at the end of the tunnel.
@erose. I just joined Netflix to watch The Family & consequently follow Sharlett on twitter.
If Mindhunter is like Family, it’s accurate. I will watch.
I was involved with some Family/Coe octopus tentacles (members & places & activities)
in mid-80s to early 90s and it is 100% accurate.
Kaine makes no sense.
Need a TRuth transcription
but my memory is he said
they still have the multiagency approach but they added a few more in as….
And before that he said something about a
lotta investigator turnover. come and go.
Sick he’s OK w/that turnover & diffusion.
transcript gratis kgw:
“”The investigation is still very active, and I think that that’s one thing that’s very important,” said Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. “They have a lot of investigators coming in and off the case that we’ve been brief on. They still have the multi-agency approach, but they’ve kind of added a few more in as they’ve gotten more tips and leads.”
https://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-father-says-investigation-into-sons-2010-disappearance-still-very-active/283-8bbf69b4-8bcd-4f9e-9674-0ea35b07d63b
I bet the “few more in” as “they’ve gotten tips” is the
local CA police who did those
unfounded arrests on Terri (car gun).
Wile looking into Rose’s catch on the Wilson HS volunteer, I found this article which and at the end reports that US stats show 4.5 million students (10%) are subjected to sexual misconduct by school staff. In medical stats this would be considered epidemic.
https://www.kgw.com/article/features/originals/two-child-sex-offenders-explain-how-they-picked-their-targets/283-434667495
ATTENTION BOC READERS- READ THE ABOVE LINK.
After reading, but with the commitment to read it again after reading this:
1. Note the first offenders description (self report) of his crime, specifically note the use of the language descriptive “underage”.
2. Note the use of “we” when answering the query re how the offender was able to conceal the acts (crimes against a child). This offender speaks as though his child victim was a willing co conspirator.
Erose, thank you for posting that link. It is critically important when such insidious criminals speak on this topic that parents take the active lesson. This isn’t about “stranger danger” although that’s important training as well. It starts with communication as a preventive tool. Grooming can only occur given the opportunity for a pedophile to have access to your kids. Sadly, as parents, you have to assume anyone your child can come into contact with outside of your direct care (and frequently “within”) is a pedophile PRIOR to allowing the potential for access and normally this presents as a disportionate amount of attention (in contrast) which you can only be aware of if you start and keep an active dialog with your child AND with ANY adult.
There’s a reason very often in a parentally-disadvantaged setting these kids are targeted- and school or school related activities are the dream victim pool where offenders can observe in advance (grooming recon) what they perceive as the “best targets”. The key word here is predators. Predators of this kind need access and opportunity. They can only gain that if it is given to them directly or indirectly by their guardian/parent/caregiver. Lastly, DO NOT think knowing how to look up rso’s where you live/work/attend school is anything more than a mandatory baseline of knowledge and personal protection exercise. Keep in mind they are on that list because for a time they actually offended without detection- just as we are discussing here. I have ZERO doubt that the very subjects of the article will reoffend in some way and/or the very interview was sexually arousing to them as pedophiles. If that doesn’t make you toss your breakfast and inspire action on your part, nothing will.
Don’t make me repeat the story about my kids pre k program and how I learned an area of the school was rented as an AA/NA meeting place and all that ensued. Lastly, develop your satellites while ALWAYS listening to them and teach your children similarly. I recommend the Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker as an excellent primer if you have no idea what I mean by the term “satellites”.
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Seems Blink and Rose have been going thru it. We need these two ladies to keep this going. Pray for both.
Tarheel says:
August 21, 2019 at 3:13 pm
No comments since August 6? Am I missing something?
Parental avarice for others seeing their child as special, gifted, appealing, and for opportunities for their special child is a motivation for parents to place their children with predator coaches, “model makers” like Epstein or Weinstein, teachers who lead interesting enterprises (ie trips abroad for ed or service), pastors & youth ministers, etc. It’s easy to get caught in the “my child is special & this other person sees it” trap.
did Terri think anyone might have been grooming Kyron?
Without discussing specifics I would say “generally” that Terri had an overall concern re Kyron that she felt needed Dx. This is why she scheduled the Dr. appt and discussed same with Ms. Porter. To her credit, Terri had a number of associates that were trained to observe the potential for ASPY symptoms and/or recommendations
I wanted to also address something I missed in an earlier comment of yours (apologies) re Tarver paying for TMH education ($10k iirc). I believe that stemmed from him saying something like he put her through school- that is not accurate. He borrowed around $10k from the Moultons for some sort of business loan he had to pay back. I presume that was the impetus for his reference- in any case, TMH paid for her own schooling.
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ot This woman Rosenblum, who got her AG position via money & politics & husband, gives professional women attorneys a bad name. https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/08/kate-brown-taps-her-top-lawyer-for-seat-on-oregon-court-of-appeals.html She’s as bad at nominating judges due to Gov/AG political bargaining/payoff (ie Circ Ct judges) to across the board nominating the unexperienced or weak (at trial work & at judging) for personal ties & ideological fealty as He Who Shall Not Be Named Here.