SANDRA CANTU CASE: SOURCES- LAWLESS RELATIVE ARRESTED ON SEX CHARGES
BREAKING NEWS
Folsom, CA– As Melissa Huckaby awaits her arraignment in court this afternoon in San Joaquin County, Blinkoncrime.com has discovered the arrest last week of Timothy John Lawless, a relative to Huckaby and the Lawless family. Folsom Police Department verified this afternoon Lawless was arrested on April 15.
Timothy Lawless was arrested on THE EXACT SAME SEX CHARGE AS Huckaby. Lawless is in custody at the Sacramento County Jail under a $1Million Bond, charged with 10 counts of lewd and lacivious acts on a child under 14.
288. (a) Any person who willfully and lewdly commits any lewd or
lascivious act, including any of the acts constituting other crimes
provided for in Part 1, upon or with the body, or any part or member
thereof, of a child who is under the age of 14 years, with the intent
of arousing, appealing to, or gratifying the lust, passions, or
sexual desires of that person or the child, is guilty of a felony and
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three,
six, or eight years.
Lawless is also charged with rape with a foreign instrument, but formal charges have not been formalized by the DA. Lawless’s next appearance in court is scheduled for May 14, 2009.
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Tracygirl – where are you ? What do you know about this:
Also Huckaby listed herself as a “party organizer” on her website. I wish I knew of the parties she organized, if any, and whether she was employed to do so. Must be someone in Tracy who “partied” with her or at one of her parties. Was she an “event organizer” for businesses?”
Who is Joshua Palmer and Officer Dan Pasquale?
B,
We have more, its very bad. Please email when you can, and I will send the rest.
P.S. I heart all shoes…sigh
rebel, I do admit I not think I know at all. I doubt most people posting in here have a scenario set in stone because since we’re not law enforcement working on the case, all we truly know is Sandra was taken, sexually assaulted, and murdered…found in a suitcase belonging to MH who is the suspect in custody. And that they’ve spent alot of time at the church.
I speculate we will learn MH was abused mentally or physically (the latter including both of course).
Link is at # 378
Oh yes, and the toxicology. But we know zero other than it exists.
I’m not sure if the link that I posted above to this article works, so am attempting to paste the text below. Is it just me, or are some of Melissa Huckaby’s relatives’ comments, and the fact that they insist on conducting services in that church so soon after Sandra’s murder, weirdly insensitive & inappropriate? I felt upset after reading this article.
Grandmother of Cantu suspect stands behind family, church
By Paula King
San Joaquin Herald
Posted: 04/30/2009 12:00:00 AM PDT
Updated: 05/01/2009 10:08:17 AM PDT
TRACY — While her granddaughter is jailed on murder charges, Connie Lawless is staying strong in her Baptist faith and stands firmly by the character of her church and family.
The Lawless family and the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy have faced dark times during the investigation into the kidnapping, rape and slaying of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu — from news reports that the girl was killed at the church to suspicions cast on pastor Lane Lawless and the April 10 arrest of his granddaughter, Melissa Huckaby.
Connie Lawless, in a telephone interview, denied all accusations.
“There is no pattern of anything like that,” she said. “There has never been a hint of any kind of scandal,” she said. “We are open people. Our church is open and friendly and lively. We don’t have anything to hide.”
While Connie and Lane Lawless are in Southern California with family and friends, their tiny, close-knit congregation gathered in the sparsely decorated church Wednesday night for regular midweek services. As the murder investigation continues to singe the airwaves and keep the church and Tracy in the national media’s attention, worshipers sang hymns of finding strength in life’s trials — the members’ booming voices filling the modest building.
Connie Lawless’ brother, the Rev. DeWayne Harris, came from Salinas to give a spirited sermon on how Baptists struggle to preserve the truth and how the national media spotlight has
rocked their little church.
“Knowing the history of this Tracy church, I know this is your darkest hour, but I’m going to talk about light,” he said. “I hope that through this tragedy that God gets the attention of not only Tracy, but the nation.”
He spoke harshly of what he called false media reports on the case, and he said he felt sorry for the likes of news commentators Nancy Grace and Dan Rather.
Recent news reports have linked Lane Lawless to an FBI investigation into old child abuse claims at a church in rural Washington. The pastor’s wife maintains that he has only led California congregations. He’s been at Clover Road, established in 1955, since the early 80s.
“Lane is the last person on the Earth that you would ever suspect of abusing anyone,” she says, describing him as trustworthy, hardworking and strong.
Lawless also denies media reports that Huckaby was ever molested, abused or involved in serious crime, and she would not confirm whether Huckaby has suffered from depression.
“I look at her and look at my family, and they never have done drugs or alcohol or anything,” Lawless said.
She described Huckaby as a “dutiful and involved” mother who seldom left the mobile home she shared with her grandparents, who lived a few doors from the slain girl. When she did go out, her 5-year-old daughter was with her. Huckaby monitored what her daughter watched on TV and with whom she played.
Lawless said she and her husband provided a support system for Huckaby, who was divorced several years ago and had financial problems. And she helped them as well, Lawless said.
“They were a delight. She (Huckaby’s daughter) just kept us in stitches,” she said. “Her mother doted on her, and she on her mom.”
The extended family remains rooted in their Christian faith, Lawless said. Huckaby’s parents, Brian and Judy Lawless, remain involved in the church in Orange County, where Melissa Huckaby was born and raised, and their younger children, two boys, are a U.S. Marine and EMT/college student.
“We are all respectful of one another and think a lot of one another. It is like we teach our children that, and they teach their children that,” Harris said. “Melissa has always been very respectful of me.”
Lawless describes her oldest grandchild as kind, sweet, quiet and good with children.
They’ve had an outpouring of support letters and prayers from across the nation and have no plans to close the church. Despite numerous FBI and police searches, many congregation members do not believe Sandra was killed there.
The Clover Road church has about 30 members — Lawless family relatives, area school teachers and multigenerational families. Members come from Tracy, Lathrop, Turlock and Modesto.
Members say they like the intimacy of a small congregation. Like other independent Baptist churches, Clover Road is conservative and autonomous.
Church member Cynthia Browning of Manteca, Connie’s Lawless’ sister, said the absence of Huckaby and her daughter, who is with family in Southern California, have been noticeable. The church prayed for her during the service.
“God can bring good out of bad circumstances,” Browning said. “God’s work can transcend evil.”
The Lawless family is fascinating. While they on occasion appear to be respectable the criminal element keeps cropping up. Between the frequent duplicate names and initials and the aliases it is difficult to sort them all out.
This family would make a wonderful case study in many regards. I am rooting for the researchers. Knowledge is power!
Coney- I am so proud this was cultivated here. That said, the case study is underway, and is a barn burner. Literally and figuratively. Sorry for the tease
B
here I am… ready for the bashing to begin.
I found Blinkoncrime because I was trying to get information not disseminated by the papers, info which is largely controlled by LE unless a reporter makes a brilliant move like the one who interviewed MH.
Anyway, i am finding it disturbing that people are trying to link other people to this case via a search done on the internet. These searches are notoriously innacurate unless you are using a LE or professional website. God forbid you name a completely innocent person on here because they used to live at the same house as Timothy Lawless 10 years before him. If my name showed up on here I would be hopping to my lawyer mad.
I just wish people wouldn’t jump to conclusions about some child porn ring that MH was involved in. It is completely possible she did this all alone for her own sick reasons.
For those who believe I am on the side of child molesters and perverts you have completely misunderstood. I am on the side of truth, not speculation, evidence not theory and reality not fantasy.
I have been studying these type of crimes for many years and the simple answer is usually the correct one. MH killed alone, no conspiracy, no child porn, no handyman helped her. She is sick and twisted and a very rare woman sex predator… but they do exist.
“I have been studying these type of crimes for many years and the simple answer is usually the correct one. MH killed alone…”
That wouldn’t be the simple answer though. It would be the hard answer.
The simple answer would be the one that’s most likely to be true:
MH either did not kill this child alone…or did not kill this child at all. Why? Because women do not commit these kinds of crimes.
Dear Sacsayhuan,
Thanks for pointing out the “party organizer” things on her myspace. Casey Anthony claimed to be an “event organizer”. gotta be something to that mentally/psychologically between these 2 female killers. Center of attention and control maybe??
Sacsayhuan…oops! Even PLANNER…for casey, but same thing :>)
notalemming,
What makes you think you have a corner on the market? I feel readin most all posts in this forum there are really bright souls behind the words. Thinking you’re smarter or have more insight than any of the rest of us is rather funny.
So, fact you’ve been “studying these type of crimes for many years” gives you a leg up on the rest of us how? I studied police science in college and worked as a communications officer in my mid to late 20′s. Now I’m 45 and for 20 yrs have closely followed and continued to study numerous subjects about crime-related issues, psychology, logotherapy, existentialism which is basically how you see yourself in the scope of life. Read numerous books on body language and handwriting analysis…and know I’m in NO WAY more intelligent than any of the other thoughtful posters in here..just a different view.
Get off your high horse. I believe Casey AND MH acted alone myself. And being former LE (although NEVER weapon carrying, but did wear uniform)…it’s pretty freaking obvious women are sexual offenders. Even on little girls that is old news to me.
Predator sex and murder are two different things. Is that not freaking obvious?
It is to me. It is to many.
B
Blink,
Can you make a new column to post in on here. This one is sooo long and I can’t find where you guys went on Scared Monkeys… I mean I see the Sandra Cantu topics but there is no info really just seems to be mainly comments. We seem to have hitten a dry spell maybe. I just thought maybe you could start a new one here on Blinkoncrime.
Also, I asked this once before, has anyone made a connection between TL and that beige silverado truck? And.. I signed up for SM login and still have heard nothing?
Thanks Blink
Sorry, no capability to add a new “thread” for comments, I will check on SM
B
Notalemming,
If you don’t like what goes on here- don’t visit this site. Yes what’s rare can be true and possible. But the simple answer the correct answer? You are already making a leap using the word “simple” and you don’t even realize it.
People or persons not wanting this case to be discussed is the greater problem here- something else you do not seem to understand.
Brenda, I think you misunderstood notalemming….
I agree with this poster, the level of speculation/this person “looks” like this person (when its obvious they don’t)/maybe this person is really this other person and he and their whole family changed their names/maybe this 50 year old is really this 77 year old/maybe this person is guilty as well just b/c they might have associated with MH or lived at the same address as some very distant relative has reached the point of extremism such that it is losing credibility with this case…
Go back and read notalemming’s post. He/she is not on any high horse thinking they know the right answer. Rather, asking all of us to just rein in all the speculating/name calling/must be guilty charges that have been alleged. He/she presented their theory as it is entirely possible MH did….(what they said) and asked us to concentrate on the truth, evidence and reality instead of the extreme speculation that has been done.
I agree there are bright souls here and often clues can be garnered from such roundtable discussions, but some of what has been said at this thread has many of us rolling our eyes.
If you want to “attack” someone, then how about this by poster id’d as Me:
The simple answer would be the one that’s most likely to be true:
MH either did not kill this child alone…or did not kill this child at all. Why? Because women do not commit these kinds of crimes.
Me (coolio) again. Good Lord! Women don’t do these kinds of crimes? Therefore, she didn’t? Trust me Me, women do this and they are often overlooked as suspects b/c of this ill-founded belief of “but women don’t do this….”
notalemming, thank you for saying what needed to be said.
Again, I think there is so much hostility toward anyone who questions some of these internet searches. I am an avid reader of Steve Huff and he avoids lawsuits by not printing wild speculation (what does wild speculation mean? well, you can comment about theories but when you start naming people and connecting them through internet searches, a legal issue can arise) I was very excited to find Blink On Crime and enjoy reading it daily, but whenever someone questions the validity of a post there seems to be a “shut up or get out” response.
I love reading all of your theories but I think a lot of times we want to create bigger stories when something like this has happened so we can wrap our heads around it. It’s very difficult to look at MH and accept that she did this alone- she’s a mommy, she’s attractive, she’s a SHE- MH doesn’t fit into our idea of the boogeyman-child-molesting-monster.
In my opinion, MH is not a monster and that’s what makes her so scary.
To commenter #409, women are very much capable of this kind of abuse, torture, murder, etc. and to say she must have acted in conjunction with someone else “because women do not commit these kinds of crimes” is really naive.
(FYI I am a therapist here in Los Angeles but started my career in NYC, so I’m not exactly a novice when it comes to the human condition)
Whoa. First of all, when a writer does more “original work” than not, your going to get a level of acceptance from the readers that one does not “wildly speculate” based on the body of work. I do not. If I speculate, I say so. If posters on here do, I assume it is obvious. You would also be assuming anyone counts on “internet searches”. I am a Huff fan, U G E Huff fan (I’m Jersey so we don’t pronounce the H). He would tell you he/we are only as good as our fact checking resources, period. In theory, I agree with you, but you dont see who has access to what databases and where thes professionals hang their hats, so I am hopefully able to impart the “things are not exactly what they seem” factor, because they are not.
I agree she is “not a monster” but she hangs out with some, of that I am sure.
B
By the way, my comment was not directed at anyone in particular but to the community of people on this thread. (not directly to you Blink!)
blink,
Just curious, but I am seeing several personal one on one emailing happening. Also, it appears (by past references made)that you are privy to information regarding this case you are choosing not to share at this time.
Is this information that is not being shared here due to the gag order or something else you are currently working on?
It seems that this has taken on a different twist than other pages.
Not that I have been involved long, but in the past you seem to put more of your own insight into the blogs. I am not seeing much more than reactive responses, but no new info. IMO
Very astute and yes. I have always maintained I have never and will never write or post something on my site that would compromise an investigation for a “scoop”.. N E V E R . When I can, I will, I know you understand that.
B
Look speculation is not against the law though some of the stuff on here seems a little out there. Comparing photos for example.
Sorry, but Notalemming has no business telling anyone to rein it in. Theories are just that at this point in time. Many people post things here that sound kind of crazy to me but I don’t feel like screaming- Rein It In People. And again I wanted to point out that the use of the word “simple” is very misleading here. There are several things about this case and its handling that are very exception to the rule already – forget the fact that the accused is a female.
I for one have found this site very recently and enjoy coming here. I will probably drop out when and if people start talking satanic church/cult theories (can often be a disinfo tactic). Even I have my limit. Great job Blink-
from another former NJ’r.
Blink, I trust you realize my agreeing with notalemming and my comments regarding wild speculation were in no way directed to you. You have my utmost respect here and I appreciate that your reporting is so well-grounded in fact.
Comparisons have been made to other sites and you and this site have been praised for being so credible. I just don’t think some of the extreme wild speculation that has happened on this thread helps in the credibility department is all. And I think that was part of notalemming’s point.
And cyntmac, somewhere in the 300′s, there are comments of satanic church/cult theories….
I agree, and for the record, I dont support the satanic crud. People perpetrate crimes. Again I go back to Special Agent Lanning. I interviewed him for an hour and have never written on it because It scared the daylights out of me. He is imo, the resident expert. What you have here is all the ingredients- vile rape and murder of a child, church without a congregation, an unnatural concentration of sex offenders in one family/bloodline. Those are the facts, the rest is under investigation until we learn otherwise.
B
Sacsayhuan – I agree with you. Who is Officer and “family friend” Dan Pasquale? I posted this last week with no interest or response but I would love to know if there is anything to report on him. MH mentioned him in her letter about the stalking boyfriend. I think this is worth some investigation.
KP – will have to research this tomorrow morning. And if I can’t find out anything I will find out something on Monday. I remembered your post and that is a reason it stayed in the back of my mind. I looked up Joshua Palmer on US Search – one of the many Palmer’s were tied to HI. He is 33 years old – but there are others. I wonder if the complaint is still on file with Tracy PD. I don’t think I will get anywhere with the public information act – due to the gag order.
“Apparently before Huckaby was married, she was in Tracy and filed to obtain a temporary restraining order against Joshua Palmer. I transcribed her account of this from a TV shot of the paper:
“April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours Security cameras seen him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted home. Incident Report is (available?)
April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside and he told me that he was going to make my life as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale. He has been seen by other residents and our park manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of the night lurking around my house and the other….”
Can we get these documents – probably not.
“Predator sex and murder are two different things. Is that not freaking obvious?”
I’ve noticed that in an effort to “prove” that MH acted alone people are trotting out cases where women murdered their own children. However, that’s a different crime with different motivations.
People are also talking about cases where women molested (but not killed) children. (Someone, somewhere even brought up that woman in Washington state who ended up marrying the guy. What does that have to do with the charges against MH?) That’s also a very different crime…
(and personaly, while I think Mary Kay Letourneau and her boyfriend were an very odd pair…I don’t see her as a rapist or child molestor. The guy got her pregnant. Not a child, but a willing participant. Nothing here that has any bearing on the charges against MH.)
They’re offering these very different crimes as evidence that MH is a cold-blooded killer.
Come on.
The most likely answer is the “simple” answer. MH either didn’t do it or she didn’t do it alone.
I find these things troubling when studying this case.
1. The child was sent away so MH daughter could clean up toys.
Police have said MH was not there that day.
2. The keys and cellphone were lost and a spare key was used.
unverified statement made by Melissa, I dont believe that. I think she stated that because she wanted it to appear that she did not have keys to the church.
3. Grandmother was home and the older sister of SC was asked to watch the daughter.
unverified and I don’t believe that happened as Police have stated her daughter was not there
4. When arriving at the Church someone had to let MH in and there was no sign of SC?
not if she had her own keys
5. The handyman FW states that he was helping a woman, they went into the Church and returning to the Vehicle the bag was gone.
I have never heard a statement like that- link please? I have heard him give MH version of what happened, but only that the suitcase was for a church rummage sale. As I “broke” on here, that was a lie. He was also caught on video dropping off the “letter to Sandra’s Killer.”
6. Where was LL? He was not at the home.
Yup
7. Why would MH write a letter in her own hand and turn it over to police?
Because she was desperate and dumb
What if someone saw MH driving wildly out by the Aqueduct prior to the finding the suitcase. Also don’t you find this interesting that Tracy PD knew enough NOT to open the bag to verify the contents on site.
She was no where near the aqueduct, she was at the Irrigation Pond, and I dont recall any witnesses to that. LE knew she was in the suitcase, and even if they weren’t positive that would be protocol. They actually got a no fly zone order during the recovery- I have to say that is a first for me.
8. Why would the Tracy PD and others keep LL away from MH?
good question
9. if this case were only about SC then why go to Idaho, Washington, and Oregon?
Moreover, why is the FBI leading those interviews; this is a state case.
I know this seems like an open and shut case. I think you are going to be surprised.
Nothing is shut, there will be more arrests with a connection to Melissa Huckaby, of that I am positive.
Me in bold.
B
Things are now starting to add up in my head a little better now.
If this is a relative of Melissa’s, (and child abuse therapists say they believe Melissa was most likely abused herself at the same young age of 8 and with a foreign object), then he is probably the one who abused Melissa.
Look at the ages. He is what now 42? Melissa is 28. That means when Melissa was 8 years old he was 22!!
Therapists claim that when a child is abused they tend to abuse a victim around the same age they were and recreate the same exact abuse… believing, in some sick way, that this will possibly erase the shame and heal the pain they went through as well as bring them back their innocence that was taken. This is why I believe Melissa was raped at the age of 8 (or it started at age 8)with a foreign object by someone in her family …..so he raped a child with a foreign object….hmmm…sounds like he’s the man who showed Melissa how to do it!!! I don’t think she should get off easy if all of this proves true. But I do believe that she is full of remorse for her actions and that she just wants to die to end the pain of what she’s done to that poor,little girl and to also end her suffering…..I mean who in their right mind tries to commit suicide by swallowing 3 razor blades?!@#$%&?
I do think the Lawless family needs to be looked at a little closer, and that her daughter should be examined and evaluated by specialists. But a lot of good, decent families can have a rotten apple in the bunch and never know it until something like this happens!!!! I know that if someone in my family committed a crime or murder against anyone, let alone a CHILD, I would be outraged and ashamed, but don’t come after me thinking I’m just like them because it was a relative!!!!
Good work! I wonder if he is her Uncle or a cousin. Sure would be great if you could get your source to find out that info!!!
Going now to browse some info. on this man and see what I might dig up!
The public is encouraged to call Tracy Crimestoppers with any information at 831-6847; the Tracy Police Department at 831-4550; or officer Daniel Pasquale, 831-6528.
This came from Tracy Press. http://www.tracypress.com/content/view/15362/2242/
“Hello”, It’s me again.
Just wanted to let you know that I just found your site when I left my first comment and found everything on here so interesting.
Of course, everything I stated in my previous comment was pure speculation of what I think was Melissa’s motive in little Sandra’s death. Mostly, because it’s what makes sence in my mind…if I can make any sense of it at all.
Every poster on here (including myself) has left their theory to this crime. Some similar and some different. But all is based on the same little bits and pieces of news information that is being broadcasted. This is typical of how the human mind works. How we are given such little information and try to put the tiny pieces of the huge puzzle together ourselves. We have to feed our hunger for answers, especially when it’s reguarding such an unthinkable crime of evil against such innocence. I find myself not wanting to watch the news anymore simply out of the fear that I will hear of someone elses child being harmed or killed for someones 5 minutes of sick pleasure. I have a hard time getting news like this off of my mind and find myself wanting answers of “WHY”? And I’ve come to realize that you never truly find the answer, but only the answer the sicko’s want to give if they give it at all.
I’m a mother of 5. I have a 16 year old daughter,11 year old son,8 year old step-daughter, 6 year old son and a 4 year old daughter. Needless to say I’m busy and my children can drive me crazy at times…but I could never hurt them ever! How could someone continue hurting or hitting a child once they start crying and their little bottom lip pouts out? It breaks my heart when my kids fall and get hurt, I just want to hug and squeez them when they start crying in pain. This is why I will never be able to understand these crimes and the people who commit them.
I know I’m getting off course here, but I must say this to all of your readers. All to often we remember these criminals and their crimes and they become the names we can’t forget….Let’s try harder to forget them and remember their victims. I will always remember little Sandra Cantu skipping down her street unknowingly skipping to her death. I have also been unable to forget Shasa and Dylan Goener, The Yates children; Noah, John, Paul, Luke and Mary, Caylee Anthony and the list goes on and on and on. This is why I have faith in God!! There is such a place as HELL and the evil ones will come to know it as home! God’s revenge and justice will be forever and he will convict with no jury for he is the only true witness. I have NO FAITH however in our justice system and never will!!! The victims never get second chances!
I’ve googled Dan Pasquale. The few articles available portray him as a level headed dedicated Police Officer. It’s possible that MH made too much of the relationship in order to scare off Joshua Palmer. I’m sure Pasquale has been questioned since I have seen his name before linked to MH – probably because of these Incident Reports. Public authority figures are always vulnerable to people like MH making the relationship more than what it is. I feel Pasquale is not someone of concern – Now Joshua Palmer on the other hand is someone to look at. Why was he stalking her ? These Incident Reports were made before MH was married – so they are fairly old – maybe Palmer is long gone.
I agree and that was also my finding. I am particularly interested in how, when she lived several hours away, her grandfather was dragged into the situation, however, does the letter specifically state whether it was CLL or Purks?
B
It appears we have another player associated with Timothy Lawless:
PIPL Reverse Phone Lookup Directory for Monowood Dr, Folsom, CA
916-984-0487 108 Monowood Dr, Folsom, CA
Phone number 916-984-0487 per DAPLUS is reversed to J. Sickenger
Folsom CA 95630
J. Fickerger
Jeff B Fickerger
Jeff Sickenger
Jeffrey C Sickenger
Age: 40
City/State:
Folsom , CA
Montrose , CA
Rancho Cordova , CA
Union City , CA
Davis , CA
Relatives:
Constance V Sickenger
Karen Elizabeth Sickenger
Maria Frances Sickenger
Robert J Sickenger
Anyone else find it curious that MH was overly protective and didn’t want her daughter to go out of the house?
What was she afraid of? What did she know?
My gut feeling is that MH is not the killer of Sandra Cantu. She knew about the crime though…maybe even helped.
I’m betting on grandpa being involved. When asked if he killed SC he repeated the question back instead of immediately answering, “No” or “Of course not.”
B-
I have become lost on the whole geneology of the lawless family.
Is there any connection with the name “LANE” I have stumbled accross multiple individuals with the last name of LAWLESS and the middle name LANE. Often times people will be given a past family sur name as a middle name.
I ask this due to one of the blogs associated with the Michelle Lee case. One of the comments referred to a case where the murderer’s last name was “Lane”. I am not implying that there is any connection; it just made me curious about Pastor Clifford “LANE” Lawless.
Sweetpea- the geaneology research is here:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net
Sandra Cantu forum
B
“5. The handyman FW states that he was helping a woman, they went into the Church and returning to the Vehicle the bag was gone.”
I remember reading this somewhere too in a news article. I’ll see if I can find it.
Fred Williams comments to KCRA 3 on 4/7 and 4/8:
“That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone,” Williams said.
http://www.kcra.com/news/19122181/detail.html
Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen the same day Cantu disappeared. However, Sheneman said police received no report of any stolen luggage.
http://www.kcra.com/news/19125994/detail.html
MH states in a separate interview that she never reported the suitcase stolen – because that same afternoon, SC was reported missing.
I still feel certain that I saw that the Williams said the suitcase was in the church parking lot…will keep looking
Good Job Miss T, but he never said that, and Melissa said it was stolen from the driveway of #57
B
Hmmm…MH never reported stolen because she said she was distracted by the news that SC was missing. But, still I really think I saw something about the church parking lot…and FW saying he was helping a woman getting things from her car for the rummage sale…but I may have read between the lines in FW’s earlier statement to KCRA.
B-
Thanks for the link; Wow those monkeys are relentless! I’m afraid I might come accross a
“Sweetpea Lawless”
Can’t follow any more, My brain hurts.
Never under estimate the prolific nature of the child predator.The numbers of victims can be staggering and sometimes can continue without an arrest until their advanced years.
Just google Wirt Norris Ft. Worth Texas.Realtor to the rich and swim coach affiliated with a boys club etc. Brought to justice many decades after he molested, by his own admission, some 200 boys .
Brazen molestation of boys in his own circle of upper class society friends and clients many of whom were friends of mine.And to add insult to injury using his position to molest at risk kids he volunteered to mentor.
Well into his seventies before he was finally stopped.Many of us in our community used our computers phones whatever to help connect the dots and bring together the older victims with the recent young ones in order to support them in the court case.You can imagine the guilt felt by the victims who were as old as mid fifties.Experts say boys violated by men are often the hardest victims to report the crime much less press charges.
So keep going,if thoughtfully done and fact based…if its there(pattern of abuse)you’ll find it. And so will the authorities. Often when one or two talk ,the secret is not so secret anymore.Take care
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Over protective of the child ? Her child, I understand could not go outside to play with the other children ever. I wonder if the child was allowed to speak and interact with anyone else ? Maybe ML was being protective – not because of the child’s welfare – but for other reasons. Just playing the devil’s advocate.
I also signed up at SM and haven’t been approved yet. I found something that DD may be interested in, so please pass it along if you would. It’s some history about Gary Lawless the poet. Thanks!
http://waldo.villagesoup.com/Community/story.cfm?storyID=156380
His parents – former Police Chief Jake Lawless (there’s also a Judge Lawless on the family tree) and former telephone operator Ruth Lawless – were readers, though, and Gary visited bookstores in Camden and Bangor to buy volumes not available in Belfast.
“When I was little, I had three grandparents all living on High Street,” he said, “so I had a good extended family looking out for me.” And as he grew, there were outings to Swan Lake and City Park and the harbor where his love of nature was born.
A characteristic of Lawless’ poetry is a melding of the natural and the human into a unified form of life. He read Monday night from a poem about the Passagassawakeag River, the water holding ghosts of the past and live fish, all roiled together in a swift passage to the sea.
“Belfast was great for that back then,” he said, remembering that his mother would walk to dances in Belmont as a girl, then walk back home.
After his stay with Snyder, Lawless returned to Maine and in 1979 he and his partner, Beth Leonard, opened Gulf of Maine Books in Brunswick. The eclectic store emphasizes ecological, spiritual and ethnic literature, along with poetry, of course, and is a meeting place for Midcoast writers and activists.
Brenda, you can log in now
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Miss T, I too remember someone said that about helping a member take “rummage sale” donations into the church and when they went out to get the suitcase it was gone. I did hear that, but sorry, don’t remember where…
Cheryl, you can log into SM now
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Blink, can I jump on the “haven’t gotten my SM approval” too? Thanks!
“Her child, I understand could not go outside to play with the other children ever.”
Yes, isn’t that odd? I’m not sure what it means but if true you certainly can’t call it normal behavior.
I do indeed find the grandfather’s behavior to be very strange. He’s supposedly the leader of a congregation. The leader. However, he mumbles, flashes very inappropriate grins and lets his wife do all the talking. That’s no church leader.
There was a reason he was questioned for so long. I’m sure that the people investigating this are still looking at him.
No thx coolie..you may attack others all you want, I called it posting my opinion…you may call it whatever you pleas.
And…..if indeed Fred Williams dropped off the infamous letter “From Sandra to my Killer”,Good Heavens WHY!
Although not privy to their past criminal behavior(Fred Williams and wife),I’ve have been made aware it exist from several sources.There is a level of discomfort I have with Fred Williams involvement with the church, letter drop off and Melissa Huckaby.
If anyone has a recommendation on a reliable background search site,I’ll have a look see for myself.TIA
Cheryl, if my memory serves me, blink is right in that MH claimed the suitcase was taken from her driveway and MH claimed it was full of stuff to decorate a classroom or board in the church. (wasn’t MH supposedly going back in for her keys or something?)
I remember the guy being interviewed (caretaker), and got the impression he simply like being on the news. Not so sure he has anything to do with this at all. If so, we’ll all know at some point.
Initially MH told the media the suitcase was hers and that she had filled it with old supplies she was going to take the church for a rummage sales. She left it on the driveway and later found that it had been taken. This is what she said but never reported it to the police. I do recall the police saying they never received a report and she said initially she didn’t make one but have also heard she didn’t make one because it went missing the same day Sandra did. As for Williams……..not sure of his involvement, but he strikes me as odd too.
As for her daughter, I agree that MH not letting her out to play is odd behavior. There have been claims that the child has been “sickly” her whole life. Although I just wonder if she was overprotective for a reason and that reason was because of her own sick thoughts and behavior.
I believe there was a COMMENT left after one of the news articles before MH’s arrest, and possibly before Sandra was found, that mentioned a suitcase missing from the church parking lot. When I first read about the missing suitcase I took it as rumor so I am pretty sure it was in a comment and not in the news but what I read did say it was missing from the church parking lot.
I have known Tim Lawless (formerly Gomes) for many years. He changed his name several years ago. Told me he wanted to use his mother’s maiden name instead of his step-fathers. I have seen the arrest report and read all the blogs here and on SM – and I find it difficult to believe. I knew him before he married Chona (she had a small daughter) together they have a son. I have worked with him in the IT field for a long time. The picture in the hat IS Tim Lawless, the other pics I’ve seen trying to determine if it is him also, ARE NOT. We who know him are shocked.
Marella-
I appreciate you weighing in. I have heard the same from other colleagues of his, and I guess yours. I have to be honest, I would strap in, this is going to get worse before it gets better. I spent a great number of years early as an IT Consultant for Fortune 500 Clients- I KNOW what kind of access he had and his capabilities; I would be very interested to know what’s on his computers.
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It came out later in the press that she had left the suitcase in her driveway (in the mobile home park)……..