Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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Hi, kleat, re post #426, that’s a very intriguing line of thought. Many times I’ve read about the suggestion of code usage among the family. We’re all familiar with what often has been described as “a bit of truth” mixed into a pile-on fantasy narrative. It would be so interesting, imo, after the case is resolved, for a semanticist to study the entire body of statements, chronologically; how language may have been used to distract, mis-direct and also to identify meaning and intent of chosen words.
As for the cut fabric, removed paver(s) and telltale bamboo root growth, that certainly would catch their eye and point to recent disturbance of the ground area.
whomever the father may be the A”s never went after $$$ from him because you would have to PROVE paternity and that may be alarming to do if it turned out to be ………..someone else Casey had accused in the past of “misconduct’ with her….. nope…not taking that chance with it….’mom’ was the word……
Uhm…errrhhh…..Blink…..is it my imagination or did you just drop another whopper there in comment 422 ??
That DCF report is…..uhm…perhaps enlightening in more ways than one. This would explain (paraphrasing)..’I've already given you 31 days’ eh?
As an aside to that, note this girl is still trying to tell DCF she works at Universal….after all the other BS, and already admitting to LE she had lied about it. She just keeps trying to get somebody to ‘buy into’ her world of ‘la la land’ reality. Unreal. Unreal. Unreal.
I knew someone like this and I swear it’s like a mental deficit, or mental block, they can’t see the stupidity of it…all they care about is the instant gratification of getting a “buy in” from someone at that moment of ‘face off’ while lying. Living only in the present moment. Reminds me of LA interview when he states (again paraphrasing) it was like a ‘lightbulb’ went on as he explained to Casey that LE was on the way and they would have her take them to Caylee TOO. He actually had to spell it out for her….but you know they never LEARN from it either, they just keep repeating the behavior. Un freagin real!!
Maura,
Thank you for the additional info, the link I left with original post goes into the judges role, etc. I didn’t post it all out (as I do enough of that on other posts):). Your comments made me more curious as to the other possible jury options, ie. vote for LWOP, etc. I’ll have to read more on how those options are handled/ presented for the jury, dependent on verdict. Also got the impression while reading FL maintaining this lone status in the nation on DP, may be precarious. (As Blink commented re: Lyons involvement) Thanks!
Response to comment #405:
During Cindy’s FBI interview, the agent ran a car check for Amy Huizenga and her parents, and none of them owned a Ford Focus. After Amy totalled her car on June 6, she bought a used Toyota Corolla.
Maura, thanks for the car info. Oh yeah, it was the nanny Zanny’s father who was rich and bought her new FF after her accident that Casey witnessed.
for some commentors, like suz, who might like a good ‘read’ on psychopaths, how they think, how they blend in — these 2 brief webpages may help understand KC: 1) http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=936 , and 2) http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Blink not sure how you couldn’t find this..DO NOT put a comma , PUT Vanover Bobby
I do the first ‘Offical Records search”
Document Detail
Type: JUD
Date/Time: 3/15/1995 11:45:29
CFN: 19950079221
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 8658/688
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: FLORIDA
Party 2: VANOVER BOBBY JOE
Legal:
That was at pbcountyclerk.com…sorry forgot to post link
Dying for part two! When is it coming?
In Development, You can’t rush genius. I am in no way speaking of mine, but my collaborator.
B
Blink another friend that Dispises these two Families has done research on PBC and Florida info about applicable regulations. Some scary info in an article about a study of Florida group homes for troubled youths in 2005 .
I have all the links. I don’t know your Policy about posting my(blogging) email..So I could send you all this.
Im cool with you posting links as long as they are on topic, your fine.
B
COMMENT 449-suz…I go with C and she in my opinion did place Caylee where she did in the end for REASONABLE doubt that she ‘did it’. Cindy especially has sung that song for a long time.
I found some PBC and Florida info about applicable regulations.
I gave them a QUICK scan. It looks like there needs to be “local” criminal checks and the eligibility requirements for licensees and staff include drug and abuse issues, though it seems to focus on CURRENT problems such as drug issues. The background and eligibility requirements start at pg 51 and the “problem” section is on pg 52-53.
http://www.pbchd.com/pdfs/environmental/childcare/pbchd_child_care_check_list.pdf
I haven’t been able to find an express ability to refuse a license on general character grounds…. does your knowledgeable friend know anything on this point?
Anyway, here’s the PBC link in case it’s a helpful reference for you.
http://www.pbchd.com/stats/permitting/forms_childcare.html
I found some scary info in an article about a study of Florida group homes for troubled youths in 2005 which reported that:
“Senators expressed alarm at a regulatory system that…. spends $167 million a year without checking quality of care and sometimes re-licenses homes without evidence that staffers were checked for history of child abuse, neglect or serious crime…….. Children were being mistreated or neglected at some homes without consequences….. Many homes employed unqualified or poorly trained staff, including some with criminal records. Several operators enriched themselves, family and friends.”
Maybe that’s why a bottom-feeder like Milstead targeted this area as his next scam. Wonder if anything was done to address these problems… like new regs?? I haven’t noticed anything in the regs so far that does.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/bal-md.homes15jun15,0,687857.story
If Casey was obviously robbing the mommy Cindy blind forever and calling Caylee THAT GIRL ect…why did she need to ‘fake’ working as George and Cindy pretend she did. It is all BS…she never needed to say Caylee was with a nanny. The A’s HAD to watch Caylee…because she said so… When not 1 article of clothing left the home for Caylee at all in the 30 day leave of absence, why did Cindy not right away call police? Why did this go on as it did for years ? All just an accident ? Cindy wants to avoid the fight because the fight itself it is utterly ridiculous to have happened to that extent in the 1st place the whole madness of the entire situation prior to the murder is ludicrous…if Cindy felt her daughter was a sociopath ect why have her keep a baby??? Oh I am sure over night she became a sociopath. Why did Cindy kick George right after caylee was born?
“In Development, You can’t rush genius. I am in no way speaking of mine, but my collaborator.
B”
I think this is a conspriracy to get the posts up past 500!!! Half a millio—errr– half a thousand!!!!! wow…. we’ll get there, and every one on topic!
I personally think the duct tape was intentional and PRIOR to Caylee’s death. KC wanted to talk to Tony the night of the 15th. You know, the Tony that doesn’t want any “girl” kids? She didn’t want him to hear Caylee crying or “mommy let’s go” or anything like that. She wanted quiet. Why didn’t LE ask him if he heard Caylee in the background ever???
She was still pizzed at Cindy for their fight, went wherever and told Caylee to be quiet. Caylee wasn’t so she taped her. Over the nose too for a sort of really “scary” punishment to teach Caylee she meant business. Maybe she had the intention of taking the tape off the nose, maybe she didn’t. I can just see her get all wrapped up in her call and “forget”. When she did go back to Caylee, it was too late. Then the coverup began. Maybe there was so much tape Caylee couldn’t pull it off. That type of tape is WAY more adhesive than regular duct tape if you have ever seen it.
Blink – you rock!
someone mentioned about george not being caseys father. he isnt her father right? i remember rick cindys brother saying that george isnt caseys real father.
If an attorney is contacted and has no idea that this client will provide him a Geragos moment in his career, his first thoughts would be “how am I going to be paid?”. Casey apparently had enough money to put JB on retainer. He was unaware of the celebrity status that NG and others would later bestow on anyone involved. So he had to get some kind of retainer up front. Casey apparently had no job. She had what she could steal from friends and family. She told friends that she had money put aside for a down payment on a home. Where did she get this money?
There has been rampant rumor running around that she was a prostitute or internet porn star. There has been a picture, speculated to be her, that has made the rounds of many sleuthing sites. I have seen it and would guess if it is not her, it is her heretofore unintroduced twin sister. She appeared to be a quite capable employee, but I digress…
Lee Anthony said in an interview that he had been able to verify employment for Casey as far back as Dec. ’07 or Jan. 08. I cannot find the interview to link it. I can tell you it was the interview he did right before the first time Casey refused his visit to jail. It was a twenty something minute interview conducted outside the jail. It was within one minute either way of the eighteen minute mark. He spoke openly and jokingly with all the reporters. He sippe dhis bottle of water incessantly. He finally looked at his watch and said he could not be late for his visit and went in, only to find Casey had turned him away. So anyway, He said he had verified her employment for at least the first six months of ’08. He refused to say where it was. It leads me to believe that Casey possibly did have a little money put away.
I know, it does not fit with stealing from friends and stealing a few gallons of gas, etc. I reckon my point to this whole diatribe is that JB would have not gotten involved originally if he thought his payday was going to be Jacksquat. So, where was she working?
I agree 100% that Casey did not “happen” upon JB. I originally ran down ALL the numbers and corresponding dudes/dudettes in her cell. There are several that do not fit in terms of her”peer group”, but since there was no calls back and forth from several of these individuals I did not feel compelled to put it out there just because they were some unlucky phone list inhabitants. That said, Baez is no F. Lee Bailey, he did however represent the Mayor. He took a criminal case of this girl, without so much as speaking to her parents when he knew he did not have a retainer upfront, and that she had no verifying source of income. What I’m suggesting is even if Casey did not know him specifically, someone Casey knew did. No doubt.
B
Puzzler – post #467 – the duct tape was put there after death but before decomp set in according to documents. She had to have killed Caylee the night of 6/15 or soon after midnight on 6/16. The emotionally charged fight she had with her mother earlier that night on 6/15 was enough to put her over the edge. Boom, she took her rage out on Caylee for sure. That is also why George’s version of Casey and Caylee being there on the morning of 6/16, when he supposedly made breakfast for Caylee and saw them off in the car at 7:30 a.m. – NO WAY. Casey could never have returned to that house in her deranged state of mind that night. If Casey didn’t have bad intentions in mind that night when she left the house with Caylee in tow, then she would have left Caylee safe and sound with Cindy and George. She would have left by herself to clear her head…..Tony L. would have let her stay at his apartment. Call it revenge, call it rage, call it whatever you want, there was bad intent when she left that house.
In ref to post 331,I don’t beleive Casey is having nightmares about Caylee.But if she is GOOD.although she was scared to sleep in her room so she slept in the room with Cindy and dummy George.Now I will give you one guess as to why this bafoon had to sleep in mommy and daddy’s room.Caylee should come back and haunt the H%&$ out of her and the grandparents.They all know what happened to this child and they know who is to blame for her death.They need to stop all of their lying and just let Casey take responsibility for her actions.That is one of the biggest reasons that this girl is like she is today.Mommy and daddy always covered up for her regardless.If they think people are not paying attention to all of their lies,then they are crazier than I thought they were.
In ref to George not being Casey’s dad,is he the father of Lee? So old muffin head was jumping out of windows at some point and time.How funny not ms.perfect Muffinhead Anthony.maybe this is why Cindy puts up with him being a SCLACKER!
Blink…was LE ever able to verify the story that Casey was at a motel the night of 15th? Did she check into a room? Thanks.
I dont know, but gave them what I found.
B
Comment by Scott — June 23, 2009 @ 10:55 am
B – you are wrong about the shorts AND it was no accident!
I just love it when someone jumps on here, misinformed, and armed with an opinion they do not back up. If you are to be taken seriously here, respect the intelligence of the readers here and myself and educate me and them as to how your opinion is correct, or worthy of consideration please.
B
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Blink- I agree with Scott 100% that you are wrong about the shorts & it being an accident. I’d love to go through the whole scenario but I just don’t feel like explaining. No accident she killer Caylee in a fit of rage after the choking incident with Cindy. The shorts are reported to be the last ones she was seen wearing on June 15th.
But I do still keep my hopes up that you are right about the latent partial fingerprints, we shall have to wait & see if Casey did leave prints on the duct tape.
“your wrong but you don’t feel like explaining”. OK, that is not going to win you any “most intelligent post on blinkoncrime.com awards” in this crowd. It can be a rough room if you don’t know your stuff in these parts.
However, for the gazillionth time, nobody thinks it was an accident, I never said that, and in fact, duct tape does not appear across a childs face “accidentally” so I’m pretty sure it is moot anyway. What is your explanantion for why OCSO served a second warrant on 12/19 and took all Caylee’s pink tshirts and white shorts?
B
But you are an interesting read Blink.
Thanks, and for future reference, I do not allow posters to post as anonymous, not to be offensive but it’s lame. I learned that rule from Huff and I think it is a good one.
B
http://youtube.com/watch?v=olnG15sFpq0
LadyVenus0304 channel video titled One Year- Caylee Anthony
good video shows numerous photos of Caylee with the doll in clothing
and other photos i had not seen before.
#434. You gotta be a Canuck to know THAT song and THAT band.
Justice for Caylee!
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_visitation_log.pdf
anyone wonder why she had scheduled visits for Patrick and Frank?????? ( who never showed up?????????)
For anyone who has not yet seen Casey’s Cupid Profile:
http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/pdfs/casey_anthony_Cupid.pdf?id_member=2050024
(she’d have liked to go on Survivor..creating a multitude of players staying below the radar) ???? mmmmmmmmmmmmm
#467, I also believe the tape was there prior to death. whether she knocked Caylee out first with the chloroform or not. Also agree she wanted Tony.
Remember, Cindy harped on Casey that day in June and threatened to take Caylee, and I also assume refused to babysit that night ruining casey’s plans with Tony…and Caylee paid the price for that.
Since Casey had been lying about getting her parents’ home, was she maybe planning to kill them too? who knows? I DO know she was capable of such. Wanting to do so anyway!
I really think this Frank Mckeever/Gabe F./Patrick (Vicky A and Steph) crew were into some very shady stuff(possibly even breaking and entering?? ZG office??)
The searches on the computer in the Anthony home (re:chloro, self defense, etc) could have been something Casey was looking into for other reasons besides Caylee. (Just trying to think out of the box) maybe to knock out a potential robbery victim or defend herself from one. She would not need “self-defense” against sweet Caylee. I am convinced there is more to this side of the story (where she got her money)and more to the visit in jail from Patrick B…Is there any link to Baez and these guys?? They seem to always have trouble and i am sure they lawyered up..
Blink, the visit from Patrick Bourgeois has NEVER sat right with me… I know this is probably gonna sound like the wild brainstorming session of someone drowning in a sea of Blink’s clues, but here are some things that stand out to me about this character:
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1. The shamrock is traditionally St. PATRICK’s symbol. Again with the Irish connections…
2. She doesn’t even remember this guy until he (Patrick) references a “Mike Walker” during their conversation; he says Mike says to keep her head up, and they’re still on her team. What team? As silly as it sounds, is it some kind of “Shamrock club?” (You can laugh at me if its truly ridiculous
3. He also tells her that if she “wants to talk about anything, just let it go…” WTF??!! She doesn’t even remember this guy at first, what could he possibly think she should “just let go” of, exactly?
I’ve always had the feeling that there’s a whole lot more to that visit, but my brain starts to feel kinda mushy whenever I try and “decode” it…Blink, are my instincts right, or am I wasting my time making more out of this than there is? Any feedback is appreciated…..
I believe he was an opportunist and probably put up to a dare by his friends.. His Dad drove him their for petes sake.
Red Herring, imo.
B
Red and Blink, will be interesting to see what comes of the Baez-Casey history, or mutual ppl links. Just seems way too much a stretch for me, there had to be minimally a recommendation from more than booking room chat.
To my point about the pose of Caylee in a photo that seemed to emulate McKeever, forget what similarities in looks, (if any), but this is completely away from any paternity issue. Instead, goes to the fact that Casey talked about teaching Caylee to say things (ie: email to the military BF in Iraq–Casey said she would teach Caylee something funny to say to him), the ‘Breakfast’ video, that looked like something had been taught to Caylee to repeat (with woman’s voice prompting), and now here’s a photo of Caylee that ‘could be’ emulating the Doc/McKeever pose for whatever reason, just silly picture taking stuff maybe.
But if Casey was teaching Caylee to say things on prompt for some reasons, to play back or say to Casey’s friends, she would realize she could use the same idea, to prove Caylee was alive and in the background of calls (ie: Jesse, maybe Shirley). Goes to her way of thinking.
I don’t think that pose of Caylee was a coincidence to McKeever at Universal in costume. I think minimally, it could have been an ‘attention getter’.
Casey’s ‘business circle’– was there one?? I think there must be a whole other level of Casey’s world that we as yet do not know about– why would we think we ‘know her’ by the circles of friends that we know about. All of these groups were kept in separate ‘need to know’ boxes by Casey. What is ‘beyond Fusion’? Where did Casey go with Caylee in the middle of the last night she and Caylee slept with Ricardo? It wasn’t simply putting the child in the car.
Brenda in VA, I agree with you that Casey’s murder of Caylee is all about Tony Lazarro. The altercation with Cindy the night of Father’s Day lit the rage, but Casey wanted out of her motherly duties to pursue her life with Tony.
I don’t blame Cindy one bit for being frustrated and angry. Casey is a lying, cheating thief who manipulates, abuses & disappoints everyone who loves her. The girl preyed on her elderly grandparents, for crying out loud. She stole from her own child’s piggy bank, as well as her parents. In short, she’s a piece of shit.
What no one in that family knew was how evil she truly is. Had Cindy or George had any idea that Casey would harm Caylee, they would have taken steps to protect that baby.
Blink, do you think there is a grain of truth to the ‘second cell phone from work’ story, a cell phone not in Casey’s name, but a throw-away or another phone in an untraceable name? Casey still had to have contact somehow with the ‘business circle’, but how?
No.
B
#477 I am a Canuck…and know Kenny Shields as well! ha…..#481 agree…..Frank …… lots more about him…for sure…
Does anyone know if Casey (by herself) spent the wee hours of the morning on 6/16 at Tony L.’s apt? (By “wee” I mean early morning hours – like after 4 or 5 a.m.)
In addition to stealing from family and friends, Casey did have a job as a “shot girl,” earning tax-free tips and booze. She was little and cute and flirty, which is a good combination for success in that field.
Since no one knows for sure how Caylee died, I still can’t rule out an accidental death followed by a post-mortem/pre-decomp duct taping to stage a kidnapping-gone-wrong. Yes, normal people would call 911 after an accident, but who here is willing to argue that she is normal? If she is sick enough to kill her kid in cold blood, she is certainly sick enough to do the wrong thing after an accident. I am sure she did not want to prove Cindy’s rant that Casey was a bad mutha, er, mother, nor did she want to have a conversation with the authorities that started with “Well, I chloroformed her like I usually do to knock her out, but this time…” imho.
(wonder if Scott, ‘Anonymous and Sunday Poster, are one and the same? Why so certain about ‘the shorts’– I don’t get that at all, what does it matter unless the point is that Casey is, as the defense claims ‘is innocent’.)
Blink,
There is some good research on my home blog about all the people that claim they live at 1740 e Road with the Milsteads….
and half the sponsers live there too. all with links.
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/fl/T7PHPOTEJUVNPEHNN/p474#lastPost
LRT- Vanover owns “A Jump for Jay”, a KFN sponor. I did not look at the rest of the links, but 5 colleagues and I did a 90 page report on this situation, so I know it well. The way to get at these people is through the IRS.
B
#469 Red Ranger
FYI -
http://www.wftv.com/video/17132496/index.html
This is the interview you mentioned. 18+ minute interview conducted prior to Lee’s jail visit on August 8, a visit cancelled by Casey.
OK will do…Now that I see they own alot the businesses that donate…what are the chances of Money laundering???
I would say very high. I would also say they dont get competitive bids, and the businesses “donate” as a write off.. hint hint
B
WONDERFUL!!! I have a friend that has been a JA to A Senior Federal Judge here for years…she knows all the agents. (smile)
Thanks so much!
I will email the report that has been reviewed by The SA’a office and AG Law if you give me a contact-
B
Because of health reason’s I have just recently had enough time to follow this case closer. So, having spent a lot of time watching & reading, this is the 2nd post I have made to any board. In my opinion, there is so much information to digest that you have to put it in a simple way of plowing through it. The plain fact that the one’s who are trying to cloudy up the cess pool of the truth is mind boggling. Stepping back and looking at it all; putting aside all the speculation and media twisting; going by just the facts presented to us by those who are involved….I think it all begins with the root of all evil…..
Money….
Begin with George’s interview with the FBI way back…they let him talk uninterupted for a reason.
George (from his internet scam) admits receiving a “bill collector’s” phone call on his way to the interview.
On the 24th Cindy tried to cash a stimulus check for 1200, and George had to go sign it…If Cindy or George had a good standing with a bank account then this would have not been necessary.
George says he told Cindy to keep up with her own maintenance bills on her car. He says he made her appointments to have it serviced, and she never showed up. (In the past he had did all the oil changes, wheel rotations, ect.)
George states that after the 24th they had to pay her E.Pass fines, where she had went through without putting her 50 cents in and fines were $25.00. He stated this was after the gas can incident.
In Rick (Cindy’s brothers) words he talk’s about Cindy & her having to bust her 401k.
I could go on and on but this is all “old” news..BUT, if you block it all out and go back to a picture of Greta V. and her camera’s in Caylee’s room. Greta says: “What a lot of stuffed animals…” Cindy laughs & says: “That’s not all of them”…Let’s not forget the LE had already hauled out stuff, (if I am correct)….Someone spent a helluva lot of money on this kid…(look at the collection of cheap sunglasses in one photo)….the kitchen set alone in her room is not cheap, the playhouse, sandbox, ect…..All grandparents spoil their g’kids (if they can AFFORD it)…someone’s a big spender here right?
So, we have George’s past spending/employment history….bankruption, losing home, relocating to Florida and assuming a morgage with a very high interest rate…all old news…but painting a picture that leads up to two facts:
1. Cindy knew that Casey stole from her & did nothing about it for how long? Only when she realizes the grandparents 2 accounts were stolen from did she….
2. How the hell can a grandmother not know Caylee’s mother was not bringing in a paycheck for so many, many months?….diapers alone cost a lot! Can you not imagine Cindy telling Casey to run by the store & pick up some diapers & some wipes…we are low on them? Juices, finger foods, ect for a child the age of Caylee in months prior to her death would have cost a lot. Providing for a child is not easy. Was Caylee on some welfare program that provided assistance for her?
Beginning with the facts from the beginning with an open mind and putting them together is the only way to muddle your way through the lies and deceit and twists and turns in this case.
If you think this is all off the wall please discard it Blink. I am still muddling my way through to find facts, not speculation, and put them in a way my mind can see what happened to this child. I have followed it since it began, but only recently in any real depth tried to piece it together from all the stuff out there.
Patrick Bourgeois has been at the center of numerous conspiracy theories.
When Casey was in jail for the first time and before she told the OC jail personnel that she would only accept visits from family members, two men, Patrick Bourgeois and Frank Bourgeois, scheduled a visit to see her on July 24. Patrick visited Casey and they had a videotaped conversation that lasted less than two minutes. Frank did not show for the scheduled visit.
Here is the video of the 90-second jail visit conversation that shows both Patrick and Casey: http://www.local6.com/news/17564421/detail.html
(Look down the list on the right hand side for “Jailhouse Visitor”)
Another site claims to have found Patrick’s MySpace page in which he described himself (in 2008) as a 22-year-old male from St. Cloud/Orlando. He also listed the motto “Live life through Christ,” so maybe he made that visit to Casey out of genuine Christian concern as in “visit those in prison.” The photo on MySpace is not a close-up, but you can tell enough to see that it could be the same guy as in the jail video.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=41823846
During the brief videoconference, Patrick said Casey might remember him from Webster Middle School and Colonial High School (she clearly didn’t). Then he said he hung around with Mike Walker. Both Casey Anthony and Mike Walker are listed as members of the class of 2004 on the Colonial High School website, but Patrick Bourgeois is not listed, which led to rampant speculation on Internet forums.
There are twelve high schools in Orlando. If his family moved to another part of the city while he was in high school, he would have transferred to a different school and not been in Casey’s graduating class at Colonial HS even if they went to the same middle school and started out together as freshman at Colonial. Casey and her childhood friend Ryan Pasley (the guy who used to work at Sports Authority) hung around all through high school even though his family moved to Seminole County right after middle school, so there is no reason why the Bourgeois family couldn’t have done the same.
And indeed, a Patrick Bourgeois is listed on the Boone High School (Orlando) Alumni page as having graduated in 2004 (same year as Casey and Mike Walker) and been accepted to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette for Electrical Engineering:
http://www.boonebraves.ocps.net/2008/alumnilist.php?d=2000
The day after Patrick’s visit, July 25, Casey was visited by Lee and then by George and Cindy. Casey told Lee about Patrick’s visit and asked Lee to follow up with him to enlist his help and those of his friends to help find Caylee. Casey also mentioned Patrick’s visit to her parents and noted that George would remember Mike Walker because Mike and Casey had been on the track team together at Colonial High School.
I personally don’t see anything alarming about Patrick’s visit; the videotape shows an awkward conversation, but nothing suspicious. It seems that he and Mike Walker were good friends even though they didn’t graduate from the same Orlando high school, and Casey would have known Patrick through her fellow Colonial HS track team member Mike Walker. That seems to be why Casey remembered Mike Walker but couldn’t immediately place Patrick Bourgeois – she was never a close friend of Patrick and had not seen him for four years.
Fairwitness, he might not have known how evil she is, but Lee alone seemed to know how crazy Casey was/is. Didn’t he describe her to his friends as crazy or strange? Also, when Cindy was freaking out and calling kc’s bluff by calling the police to try to make her fess up where caylee was, Lee was the one who role played with kc so she would realize what was about to go down because the police were about to arrive and ask to be taken to Caylee. Also, Lee seems to have advised her friends to tell the truth to LE and NOT to cover for kc. Lee seems like the only one of them with a lick of sense, which I guess is why he is still going to work and lying low. Or he might have the best attorney of the bunch, or immunity, or both.
I do think it’s possible that neither Casey nor any acquaintence of hers had ever heard of Jose Baez prior to her arrest on Wednesday, July 16 at 4:30pm.
Baez could have accepted her as a client in the belief (even if doubtful) that she had a few thousand for a retainer, and by the time he found out she was penniless, the story was national, so he accepted the loss of that promised retainer in lieu of a guaranteed “Geragos moment.”
Following her arrest in the late afternoon of July 16, Baez saw Casey for the first time on July 17 from 11:11:34 – 15:53:15. He returned later that day with his colleague Gabriel Adam for a visit from 19:10:15 – 21:19:23. Adam left and Baez continued to meet with Casey from 21:29:23 – 22:09:21. By the time he left the jail that night, the story was getting national coverage, coverage that was almost constant from that point on.
While Baez and Adam were meeting with Casey at the OC Jail, Nancy Grace devoted half of her Thursday, July 17 show to the story, including a call-in from Cindy Anthony and live reporting from the Anthony home regarding a cadaver dog search.
Jose Baez was a guest on Nancy Grace the following day, Friday, July 18.
Cindy was on Geraldo’s show Saturday night, July 19. George, Cindy, and Lee were on The Today Show on the morning of Monday, July 21. Cindy was on Greta on the night of July 21.
By Monday, July 21, Nancy Grace was claiming, “We now learn the grandmother, who has been with us, was with us last week, has been all over the media in her efforts to try to find her little granddaughter, is now saying she`s ready to forgive her daughter for whatever she did wrong.”
And Cindy WAS all over the media, desperate to keep her version of the story alive and to keep the coverage national.
In addition to other appearances by Cindy and George (local and national outlets), Jose Baez and Cindy were on Larry King Live on July 29.
Baez has been on other national news programs since then, and he could probably get an interview whenever he wanted.
I just don’t see, given the rapid and unabating coverage of this story almost immediately following Casey’s arrest, that there has to be mysterious connection between Casey and Baez to explain why he took on her case. And while I have read many theories on the forums that claim a connection existed between Casey and Baez prior to her arrest, I don’t find any of those theories at all convincing.
Maura, thank for your contributions, I can see you know the facts of this case well. Your right, it could be exactly as you said, I have no evidence to refute it.
B
Blink I would like to say to you that I think you are a profoundly couragious soul to be willing to revisit such dark and evil madness of the worst of humankind to take up the causes of such tragic children like caylee, jacob, daniel and all the other missing and murdered children in your articles in order to see justice done.I most sincerely thank you and all who assist you in your cause and wish you peace.
Thank you, Blink. I wouldn’t be over here if I weren’t addicted to your posts and comments. I’ve never been hooked on any legal case before this one, and my obsession is firmly rooted in the discovery releases. I learned by the end of September that I’d have to take notes to keep track of everything, and I also learned the hard way to save long comments that required significant information searches to compile.
I just looked up an old comment I had written to explain why I believe Leonard Padilla was recruited by Jose Baez. I was reminded of this because of the prior comment about Baez’s probably willingness to take on Casey as a client in exchange for the extraordinary publicity it would give him. I don’t know Leonard and you do, so I don’t expect you to agree with my perceptions and I freely acknowledge I could be wrong.
From comments made a mere one week after Baez met with Casey at the jail, it seems clear that publicity was very much on Baez’s mind. George Anthony, during an interview on July 24, told OSCO: “Baez . . . I don’t talk to that guy very much. I don’t . . . like I said I’m . . . he’s in it for other reasons besides what he should be concentrating on. That’s how I feel ‘cause he’s saying ‘I want to get this guy, I want to get special (inaudible) . . . and I want dog guy . . . “
The only person I can think of who would be described as “dog guy” is Duane “Dog” Chapman, the bounty hunter who has had his own reality TV show on A&E since 2004. He’s a high profile bounty hunter with a well-known name, even among people who don’t watch his show. I looked him up, and he was promoting his 100th episode last year and has an average of two million viewers per show. My gut says Baez wanted him because he IS so well known. Maybe Dog didn’t want to get involved in the case or maybe he couldn’t fit it into his schedule or maybe A&E wouldn’t let him do it.
If Baez wanted a bounty hunter, maybe Leonard Padilla was his second choice because Leonard had a four-episode bounty hunter show on National Geographic Channel that ran on four successive weeks in January 2008. When Leonard made his first appearance on Nancy Grace on August 15, here is what he said about how he got involved:
“GRACE: I`m fine. Who contacted you about this case, sir?
PADILLA: The original contact came from a friend of mine in New York, who suggested that there was something that could be done here. And I myself and my family have gotten involved in high-profile cases in the past, and sometimes it required bailing a person out of jail so they could talk to somebody other than law enforcement.
Obviously, in this particular situation, he put me in contact with the attorney, and I discussed it with the attorney. And as long as there`s no interference with his defense of the young lady or interference with the law enforcement, I said to my nephew, I said, Look, if we get her out of jail, she`s liable to be more pliable as far as talking to somebody. She`s sat in there for 30 days. It hasn`t done law enforcement any good. Let`s take a run at it.”
If Leonard’s friend from NY put Leonard in contact with Jose Baez, then it seems likely to me that the friend was a go-between who was fronting for Baez.
I do believe Jose Baez was rounding up people he perceived would take on the job for the publicity alone, just as he himself appears to have agreed to represent Casey for the one-in-a-million level of publicity this case offers.
I’ve also wondered if Larry Garrison was tapped by Baez since he had previously been involved in the Natalie Holloway case, so he had experience with a missing persons case and a certain level of name recognition. However, it’s certainly possible that he contacted Cindy on his own and without any prompting. Cindy claimed Larry Garrison contacted her in late July to offer advice in handling media; she said people warned her about Larry but she trusted him after talking to him. Even if Baez had nothing to do with Garrison’s offer to help the Anthonys, the fact that he contacted Cindy in late July is another piece of support for my contention that very early on this case was perceived by many to be a vehicle that would virtually guarantee household-name-recognition to anyone associated with it.
Very well researched, but I can progress this quickly: Skip Davis.
Skip Davis is the connection, the end.
B