Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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Blink,
I meant to comment earlier that I was quite impressed by your observation that Caylee could not have been wearing the shorts when she was left in the woods. I hadn’t caught that at all. But you are correct that the shorts were found in area A with the skull whereas Caylee’s pelvis and femurs were found in area F. She could not have been wearing the shorts.
I can’t tell from the discovery whether she was definitely wearing the pink shirt when her body was left in the woods. She could have been wearing the shirt since the arm bones and skull were with the scraps of t-shirt that remained or the shirt could have been placed in the back along with the shorts. It’s not possible to tell because so little of the t-shirt was left and the material is not durable.
TY, fwiw, only part of her pelvis was recovered, not to be graphic but the animal activity on the femoral ends would also not be probable/possible had she been wearing them. I am sure the shirt was in the bag, but Im not sure we can determine beyond that.
B
Hop on board the train you anthonys while you still can do it for caylee and let the train head straight for casey driven by the state of florida. Her ship has sailed and she left you behind.
Hi fellow Blinkers, you all are boggling my mind. I used to be an avid reader of the crime/mystery variety and thought of myself as a pretty good sleuth. Not anymore!! Don’t need books anymore because indeed truth is stranger than fiction, this site has certainly backed that up. I feel like I “know” many of you and I thank Blink and all of you for your thoughtful and intelligent posts. Madoff got 150 years and everyone clapped, let’s hope justice is served and Casey gets the same, believe me, I think this would get a standing O!
Or was Cindy describing the shorts as she knew them to be at the crime scene, directly or through Casey?
Because if the baby were kidnapped and killed by someone else in time for the ‘timeline’ of skeletonization/botany, the shorts would be the same as Caylee was last seen with (if that is a true story by George). Casey came into the home to get things, they knew she was in and out, maybe she realized that the baby had no shorts ‘on’ her so she better pack some in the package, or visit the site and add the shorts later. (did she forget to use the same shorts as described to the police by George?).
If the shorts were added later, that would be supported by the description given by Cindy. Can Casey tie these shorts to a friend? Did LE photodocument all the contents of Caylee and Casey’s drawers from their first home search? Or was that too late…
George was interviewed on July 24 without Cindy’s or Lee’s knowledge. That was the interview in which he commiserated with LE about being unable to control Cindy.
He was interviewed by the FBI on July 30.
He was interviewed by OCSO on August 4 (that was the “timeline” interview).
He was picked up by LE on August 14 because Casey had asked for and received permission to meet with George in private (Casey cancelled the visit after George got to the jail). There is a little conversation from the car ride that was released to the public, but it’s not an interview.
Cindy was interviewed by the FBI on July 31.
The first half of her “timeline” interview was on August 1. They didn’t finish, so she returned on August 4.
There are no other LE interviews with George or Cindy that have been released to the public to my knowledge.
I just want to put out there that LE has the right to edit interviews, so we cannot be guaranteed 100% of the content is “pure”.
B
I still can’t get over all the theft over time all of it …. NO police calls…and he reports GAS cans only 1 week into ‘this’ missing….like that was such a BIG deal he HAD to report those gas cans missing.And he just HAD to tie HER to the trunk and car all to the gas cans ESPECIALLY.
To Brenda in Virgina, I used the stimulus check as a condensed example of the financial situation the Anthony’s were in during this time frame. Notice I said “IF” they had a good standing with “A” bank account this would not be necessary..
If they had an account with money in it…they would not have had to waste gas (it was close to $4.00 a gal, or am I wrong, at the time?)…having George come down to sign…
My statement was just an example to show how from their own mouths the financial situation was when Casey and Caylee left that last time..
And, in at least a year and a half of not having a reliable income, is it feasable to think that Casey would not have at some time been asked to stop by and pick up milk, diapers…whatever…and not having the money to pay? IF Cindy believed her daughter was gainfully employed all this time, therefore having a steady income,…Go back to M&M deposing George & him being angry at being questioned on what Casey had contributed to the household expenses…
As I said just a look at word’s from the horses mouths to try to figure out the mindset at the time…and it all began with the MONEY situation….and, I believe the money situation is playing a part in where the situation proceeded to today with the grandparents…Just my observations.
I think Geo and Cindy have no idea what caylee was wearing last time she was seen (unless the 15th is really the day, and she didn’t change outfits after the nursing home, in which case they have it on tape) since so much time had gone by when they were trying to recall. I don’t even know what I was wearing 31 days ago, much less someone I purportedly saw for just a few moments as they were leaving. Eyewitnesses who saw an event happend just MINUTES ago often come up with different recollections of what a particular person was wearing or looked like or what happened, so I just don’t think we have anything reliable to go on in the shorts dept., except for knowing what was found at the remains site and where.
It sounds like the partially decomposed and slightly dirt-stained shorts DID have some (“slight”) vegetative material growing on them (“attached”) (6447), tho perhaps not as much as the world’s sturdiest laundry bag (go, polyester!) and pooh blanket (6445-6446), but perhaps the shorts weren’t in close contact with the ground?
Re: Fingerprints
The media reported months ago that there were no fingerprints found on the duct tape, but I believe they misinterpreted the report. There was only one small report released relating an examination of the duct tape and fingerprints.
On discovery page 3782 in the documents released on February 18 (in the .pdf file marked “Evidence Submitted to FBI”) is a two-page report issued by the FBI Latent Print Operations Unit. There is very little information contained in that report.
However, the report, dated December 15, 2008, notes the following (exact wording of report between quote marks):
“Date specimens received: December 13, 2008.
“The items listed below were examined in the Latent Print Operations Unit:
ITEMS FROM MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE:
Q62-Q64 Tape
ITEMS FROM RESIDENCE:
K10 Elimination prints from George A. Anthony
K11 Elimination prints from Cynthia M. Anthony
K12 Elimination prints from Lee A. Anthony
Results of Examinations:
The requested latent print examinations were conducted, but no latent prints were detected.”
***
That’s why the media reported there were no fingerprints on the duct tape.
Q.62, Q.63, and Q.64 are the pieces of duct tape specifically mentioned in the report, and since these three pieces were released to the FBI directly from the ME’s Office, these were tape pieces found at the exact location of the remains. We now know there were several overlapping pieces of duct tape covering the lower front of Caylee’s skull.
When the Latent Print Operations Unit received those critical pieces of duct tape, I am convinced that the first thing the lab scientists did was to use all their high-tech equipment to simply look for any fingerprint evidence, period. The preliminary steps would have been to go over each piece of tape, and if any latent print was detected, it would have been lifted, dyed, mounted on a slide, photographed, preserved, etc..
If no latent prints had been found anywhere on the pieces of duct tape, that would have been the end of the duct tape examinations, and we would have seen a report in the discovery saying items Q62-Q64 were examined for fingerprints and no latent prints were found whatsoever.
I believe Blink’s information that two partial fingerprint were found somewhere on Q62-Q64. However, the forensic reports note that the tape condition was degraded. It could very well be that the two partial prints are of relatively poor quality. Moreover, “partial” doesn’t give much indication of the actual size of the prints that were recovered. “Partial” simply means “not compete or not whole.” Maybe the partials are only slivers of fingerprints or only consist of a very small portion of a full print.
At any rate, if the FBI found any prints whatsoever on the duct tape, the next step would have been to compare the print from items Q62-Q64 to the fingerprints of Casey M. Anthony, the only suspect.
FYI – Fingerprint analysis is somewhat interpretive. While each human has unique and permanent fingerprints, the fact that we have small finger pads and that there are over six billion people on the planet means that fingerprints from different individuals will have similarities in the position of whorls, ridges, loops, and arches, and if only a tiny partial print is available (not a full, clean print), it would be impossible to say with absolute confidence that the partial could ONLY come from a particular individual.
Let’s say two partial fingerprints were found on Q62-Q64, and the prints match Casey’s fingerprints on a number of point matches, but not a high number of point matches. In the United States, state jurisdictions set their own minimum point standards for fingerprint matches, and while the FBI has no minimum number that must be identified to declare an “absolutely him or her” match, the Bureau does rely on a 12-point “quality assurance” standard. Maybe there was enough of the print to make the 12-point standard, but perhaps not.
Casey is the only suspect in Caylee’s homicide, but since LE believes the items found with the remains were taken from the Anthony home, the FBI would need to rule out people who also had had easy access to those items and whose fingerprints could have been left on those items (such as exposed part of the duct tape roll) long before the item was used as part of the crime or in the commission of the crime or its cover-up.
George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony all had access to the items found at the crime scene, so the FBI examined their elimination prints against the prints found on items Q62-Q64 to rule out the possibility that the prints match a family member. After examining items Q62-Q64 with the elimination prints of George, Cindy, and Casey, the FBI concluded that no prints on the examined tape pieces matched those three people.
I could be wrong, of course, because the phrase “no latent prints were detected” is ambiguous given the narrow focus of the examination referred to in that one December 15 report. Does the phrase mean that no latent prints whatsoever were on the tape pieces or does it mean that no latent prints matching Lee, Cindy, and George were on the tape pieces?
I believe the answer is the latter (no prints matching Lee, Cindy, and George were found on the tape).
Furthermore, there is no report in any of the discovery released to the public stating that the Latent Print Operations Unit examined Casey’s prints against the tape pieces and that “no latent prints were detected.”
The bottom line is that I am confident that two partial prints were found on the duct tape, but the main question for me is: How good is the quality of those partials? If the prints are small or smudged or both, perhaps the FBI could only make a 2 or 3 or 4 point match on them with Casey’s prints. That’s still good evidence (and will be persuasive to the jury), but it wouldn’t necessarily be strong enough to make Team Casey buckle in capitulation. There would still be room for reasonable doubt.
Nevertheless, the partials, like the hair with postmortem banding, may not be forensically strong enough to seal the deal beyond all doubt, but the prosecutors will explain the prints in a common-sense context. The hair was missing the bulb, so only mitochondrial (maternal) DNA could be extracted, and the mitochondrial profile might potentially match 50,000 people in central Florida. But with the characteristics of decomposition on the hair and the fact that it was found in Casey Anthony’s trunk, the defense isn’t going to be able to overcome implications. Because what are the chances that a hair from one of those 50,000 people, a hair clearly having come from a corpse, would end up in Casey Anthony’s trunk? Similarly, while the partial prints may not reach a “we’ve got her” level of certainty, the fact is that all other evidence points to Casey Anthony, so a small number of point matches would still be compelling, especially if the prints could not have come from Cindy, George, or Lee.
I agree the press misrepresented the findings on the prints entirely. But I think in acutality there is more than 2 partials on that tape now that I have seen it actually overlaps in several strips. Recently Linda K Baden said there is NO DNA on the tape, which leads me to believe those findings are back to the defense, thus her statement.
B
I understand those who are suspicious about Geo calling the cops about his gas cans (guess who responded, btw? Worthless officer Cain(!) who attempted to dust but found no latent prints), but I can also understand Geo being at the end of his rope with kc’s stealing, and—since the poor henpecked fellow’s only domain may have been his four little sheds (and perhaps the garage)– I can imagine him finding the lock smashed and lying there, gas and gas cans gone (when gas prices were very high), and simply flipping his lid. I think he knew very well who had taken them, and wanted to put the fear of god in her, as others have said.
Casey claimed to have received a short phone call from Caylee around noon on July 15, so if she had taken the opportunity to return to the remains to plant clothing, it would not have been in her interest to plant clothes that matched the clothing Caylee was wearing in the June 15 nursing home clip or that matched the clothing George described to LE as what he recalled they were wearing on June 16.
Lee testified that when OCSO arrived on the night of July 15, he and Casey were put in the garage while Cindy and George talked to the deputies. Lee said that despite their separation, he and Casey could hear every word spoken. It was Lee’s belief (and I agree) that Casey wrote the date July 9 in her statement because Cindy was 100% positive that she had last seen Caylee on Sunday, June 8. My hypothesis is that George told LE that he recalled Caylee’s clothes on June 16 (blue jean skirt, pink top), and that is why Casey included a pink top and jean shorts in her statement. I can easily believe that George misremembered what Caylee was wearing even if he was certain that he had last seen her in the jean skirt and pink top.
Or it’s possible that George did remember accurately but when Casey and Caylee returned to the house later that afternoon, Casey changed Caylee’s clothes to something different. Maybe Caylee had a potty accident or a lunch accident and spilled something on her clothes. In fact, something like that could have been the triggering event for whatever happened that ended Caylee’s life.
George’s description of what Caylee was wearing as different from the shorts found at the scene, so his testimony is convenient and goes to support Caylee being in the hands of someone else, who changed the baby into those plaid shorts before killing her, if it was Casey, and IF George’s testimony (memory) is correct about the time, date and description of what the baby was wearing, is truthful and correct, then the shorts as George described, should also be with the baby. Maybe they were there also and we don’t know it.
But if the shorts, as Blink theorizes, were not on the baby during decomposition and if their condition does not support the shorts being in contact with the decomp, they could have been added to the scene later, using the description that Cindy gave about the plaid shorts. That is convenient– how did Cindy, or Casey know that the ‘kidnapper/killer’ would put that description of shorts on the baby?
Did Casey go jogging in the neighbourhood area after July 15th?
Boo,
re:#542 Comment by boo — June 29, 2009 @ 9:31 am
I appreciate your post, and giving us insight to how a young adult might view the case. I often try to analyze what I think Casey was thinking or feeling, In actuality, there is no way of knowing her thought process or what lead her to the decisions she made.
I have a question for you and you do not need to answer it. However I am curious. You have mentioned the conversations between you and your mom. That she exploded when you told her she would believe you in a similar situation.
Knowing what you know NOW from your conversation with your mom, (hypothetically) would you tell your mom you left your child with a babysitter for X amount of days? or.. if you believed your child was with someone that cared about your child would you try to handle the situation yourself?
Is it possible that Dominic Casey was used as a ‘mule’ to drop something at the scene and if so, is he protected by client privilege for such an act?
What types of activities can someone use a lawyer for, or a PI for in covering a crime in the name of ‘defense’ of an accused?
I think, in the future, a good and relevant article that covers the defense attorney’s rights to defend vs right to knowingly present lies at trial– is it all ok except in sworn testimony? Where is the line? How is it drawn?
I have actually cinsiderd that casey may have put the bag abd the balloons at the sight prior to caylees death. I am not basing this on any facts of the case I just feel it to be possible. I.think she preplanned the site as where she would hide caylee and left the bag there as her first clue to the family.d I also believe that after the 8/5 when kw called on the anthonys with what he found, is ehen all this sm business with the anthonys began.I remembet the anthonys publiv behavior vhanging bigtime. They went from saying we are sure casey would never harm caylee she’s a very loving daughter to she is innocent. We have people watching people and this is when they deliberatly stepped in front of the train.
Susan-
P 548 I am glad you posted this as I had been trying to review that last Caylee video at the nursing home to try and get a glimpse of those shorts. I tried to save the one screen shot as a picture to see if I could enlarge it, etc. Unfortunately I didn’t have much luck, but did notice what I thought appeared as very faint pink striping, just could not verify for certain. I am sure LE will have better success than I did with that….and just by chance…if they were the same shorts…can you imagine the implications to the case??
And actually casey could have purchased a fathers day balloon on 6/9 they would have been all over the place at that time but not so much in august.
George said she was wearing white sneakers. You think that Cindy could easily look in the closet to verify that all her white sneakers were there. LE took a picture of Caylee’s white sneakers in her closet. She had 5 or 6 pairs if I recall correctly. If no sneakers were missing, how would you explain that one George?
This is a link to Caylee’s June 15 nursing home video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=E7A7D191131C444E&index=3
Her shorts are visible at the end of the clip when she reaches up to give Alex a kiss. I don’t see any pattern in those shorts. I see shadows from the folds, but I do not see the shorts described by the ME: white shorts with pink, orange, and green vertical stripes.
To post 563 I would have to say no. My mom has met my babysitter and altho we both trust her, mom knows I could never be parted from my daughter for * month no way. But I thought at the time that I coulf convince her I was on vacation and took my daughter with me and that she was busy and unavailable but I was wrong to think I could.mom didn’t buy my argument.
#564
Under Florida law, no person is required to report the discovery of a corpse, so if Dominic Casey had found the remains, he wouldn’t be required to call LE or anyone else.
From what defense lawyers like Bill Sheaffer said, Jose Baez would be prevented from reporting the discovery of Caylee’s remains unless he was doing so on Casey’s instructions. Were he to report the location of the remains without Casey’s permission, he could be disbarred for acting against his client’s interests.
However, NO ONE has privilege that would cover tampering with a crime scene or evidence. If Dominic Casey or anyone else planted an item at the scene of Caylee’s remains for the purpose of misleading an investigation, he would be committing a crime and would be subject to criminal charges.
And also midwest mom it was that argument with my mom that finally made me see the truth. Up to that point I was holding out that casey could not have killed her own child. But seeing the truth in my moms reaction and the truth of cindys reaction to casey”s story and the truth about myself is when I knew casey had killed caylee.thank you for asking.you are all so smart here.
boo, i am so glad your mom set you straight, she might would act like she believes you,and maybe even believe you for a minute or hour,but thank you boo’s mom ,cuz by the time she lays her head on the pillow that night by morning the scary convincing you saw, would be triple about getting that baby home before another minute passed.and i’m awaiting your answer to #563,thanks for your input.
Blink,
I have a question, or a couple rather. There isn’t much I don’t know, or haven’t read about this case, that being said…. It’s certainly possible that over the past year I’ve forgotten something, although hard to believe, given the fact that I have read, read, and re-read everything a zillion times. I found 2 things earlier that were interesting though, and can’t believe I ever overlooked it, or never heard it, or even that I forgot it, BUT, apparently it’s one of those, because these 2 things are new to me, unless my memory has just failed me.
I just read where Cindy’s mother Shirley stated that Caylee called her twice. She said the first time she wasn’t quite sure it was Caylee, but the 2nd time she was almost sure it wasn’t, in fact she stated it sounded almost like a recording of her voice. First of all, when my girls were little, a couple of times they hit redial on my phone while playing with it, and ended up calling someone. Those times they probably just jabbered or said nothing at all, given they didn’t realize they called anyone. When I dialed the phone for them at times, told them we were calling Grandma, they would talk and answer if asked a question by Grandma. I guess my hangup with this is, Shirley seems to be just about the only honest person in the family, so I believe she is telling the truth of course. I can also see Casey setting up some type of alibi by doing something of that nature, however, I found it strange that she would have used Shirley, given the problems (stealing from her) they were having at the time. Seems as though she would have tried it on Cindy instead. Though I believe Cindy would have known immediately it wasn’t Caylee, and/or it was recorded, given how well she knew Caylee. I suppose my question is, what do you make of these 2 calls, and what do you make of them being directed to Shirley??
Also, I saw something else that I hadn’t seen before. Well, actually, I’d seen it, but I examined it more closely this time. If there is an interview/deposition of a Nathan, forgive me for missing it somehow, and I’ll go back and check for it. What I saw today wasn’t an interview though, it was a connection to Fusian. The name is Nathan Lezniewicz. I’m curious what, IF ANY connection to the case he may have??? It’s certainly not a name I’m familiar with hearing in the past year. I’m wondering if he is connected to Casey via Fusian, or has anything to do with the case regarding Caylee, or if he is simply a connection to more forgery/theft charges via credit cards?? Any information or answers on any of this would be greatly appreciated, as I’m now going to pull my hair out upon finding new/more information for my brain to process.
I almost began my post with BOMBSHELL….ha, as my husband has been trying to convince me you’re NG, because you replied with Ty, friend, in a previous reply to a post. Ughhhh, I’m just glad he’s not in charge of solving this case. lol…..
Im sorry to dissapoint you Wendy, but I dont think those 2 calls were anything significant at all. To be honest, I would not put it past Cindy to do that to her own Mother.
B
My goodness people, I go away for a weekend and I’ve got pages and pages to read and I won’t be able to post something worthy until I can get caught up. Thanks Blink, I am increasingly impressed.
Has the ZG M&M case gone by the wayside because of successful tactics to evade deposition by George and Cindy and lawyer Brad? What can they possibly come up with to avoid facing Judge Rodriguez and possible demands on them to respond? Anything short of hospitalization and/or death? (or amnesia)
Whatever it is, they will do something to avoid. Now the anniversaries are over… the ‘tough’ days of Father’s Day and the anniversary of the 15th (note Cindy said 15th, not 16th first in her latest morning national talk show thingy)– 15th being the real day the child went missing, in Cindy’s mind, very very possibly.
It’s been a month now, since Brad’s back went out. Maybe time for a relapse if they get a new hearing date. Judge Rodriguez figured something might open up in his case schedule in June, after ‘sweeps’. That hasn’t happened.
Who is Casey’s lawyer for the economic charges? Kasen? or? Could this be what M&M are waiting to hear about? Harder to call the state’s case ‘frivoulous’ at least, unless Casey can blame the bank for cashing a cheque she wrote with her own name– stupid bank!!
Or another lawyer, another judge to manipulate by Cindy, Brad, George and Baez?
Notalemming, no joke……. teach me to go outside and do productive stuff over the weekend… Ha! Great work, everyone.
Blink how much LONGER until Part II? I’m dyin ova here….
Gonna be a bit, I’ll give a 48 hour lead time, it is “being built”
MMMUUUUHHHAAAA
B
actually boo she wouldnt be able to sleep without knowing your child was safe(and safe means at home in her bed where she belongs)
And one more comment to midwest mom then I have to “blog off”. Don’t u think that cindy might also have exploded at her daughters story and that’s why she called 911? Somethings wrong? I do I definately do.. Then goes public with the she is innocent bs? That shouts guilt to me. To the anthony’s I say “see ya don’t wanna be ya.toot toot chugachugachugachuga.
Actually….I’ll go right ahead and put the ‘kabash’ on my own dashed hopes regarding the shorts….a girl can dream a little eh?
Multi-colored shorts which have pink, green and orange thin stripes and a pink button on the front of the waistband. The clothing tag has the brand “Circo Brand.” The tag also states “100% cotton-24 months.” There is an elastic waistband in the back of the shorts and a flat front. There are two pockets in the front and two pockets in the back.
pg 8 of 11 pdf http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html
Although you far from get a good view of those shorts in the video, I’m thinking that’s pushing it, per description.
wendy ,nathan is was tony lazzaro’s roommate,there is a police interview with him, he watched the movies with tony and casey on 16th,he plays guitar,liked casey and caylee,liked them coming around told tony not to get rid of casey he was eating the best he had in awhile and liked her cleaning up,one of his credit card reciepts was in the trashbag in casey’s trunk that’s how le caught on to the trash coming from tonys’.i think you can find his interview at docstoc.
There is also Fusion receipt in the garbage bag that had been in th trunk of Casey’s car, of his, dated for May 24, 2008. The day she first met TonE.
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Great work everyone, I see I have plenty I need to catch up on after staying busy all weekend…very saddened this morning to read about Jada Justice’s (Indiana) fate and just read about a missing 10 y/o in Washington State, Lindsey Baum….when will this end? Every week its a new child, whether its by family or strangers, its just so sad!!!!
Comment to Kleat @ # 576
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/06/key-court-date-set-in-casey-an.html
September 9, 2009 at 3:15 pm.
I predict a Cindy melt down of some sort, as George and Brad have already had a turn.
Hope this helps.
Oh…oops…forgot the last part:
As to the check fraud etc… looks like the motion was filed by ASA Frank George and a copy sent to Jose. I’m guessing good ol’ Jose comes up to bat for this one?
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19859813/detail.html
Hey Red, I’d love to have and old, fat, bald guy for a step, especially as smart as you! Yep, my Mom is a hard working woman and can support herself and me when I want. She’s in Birmingham wink, wink. Sorry Blink, would love to join the fam!!!!!!!!!!
i wonder too about giving casey too much creative credit,and i then remember how she told amy that she saw her sleepwalking and hiding her money,between june 16th and july16th casey had plenty of time to think up how to throw as many dead end diversions as she could into the soup,i kinda think she was planning a staged carjacking with the nanny taking caylee in the car,(thats why the doll was still in the car )when her plan failed she had to ditch the car where she could,i think things screwed up in the “call the police stage”(performance anxiety)(or the car ran out of gas first) if the stolen computer of one of the zg’s is connected i think the computer was going to be used to send casey phony kidnap communication from the phony kidnappers.imo imo
I forgot one other thing…I worked for Gentiva also for 3 yrs. and they are one of the highest paying Home Health agency in FL.. Cindy could very well hold the whole house toghether with her income.
529 comments later…wow Blink! I was so hoping your next article was going to involve the infamous lanyard. I have been dying to share my comments/theory on that one!!!! However, did I sense a hint in your response to #577 as to your next article “being built”? LOL
Pam, your a friend to this site, but I got a headache with the lanyard. It IS HERE. Search Posts/Lanyard
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Boo,
Thanks for expressing your views.. I am not sure what my thoughts are right now. After Blink clarified on the finger prints, I felt like I got kicked in the stomach. I’m still trying to process my thoughts.
Interestingly, because I got involved in the case in jan, when most of you have been on the case from day one….I “thought” that I was not emotionally involved! Wow was I wrong.
Blink, thank you for answering. The receipt is what I saw earlier with Nathan’s name on it, not realizing until now that is the trash that came from Tony’s. Also, I wasn’t so much disappointed about the calls to Shirley not being an “ah ha” moment, I was mostly just wondering if you thought Casey did it for a specific reason. Guess I’ll stick with her attempting an alibi of sorts. I agree, I wouldn’t put it past her to do it to her own mother, I just don’t think Cindy would have believed it was Caylee.
Thanks also to #581 Susan for your reply as well. Love this site Blink, keep up the great work. I now feel the need to check here on and off just about a million times a day ..ha.
riddle ,thanks for seeing the stripes on the shorts in the nursing home video,there are at least pink stripes )wrong colors,(BUT I STILL believe cindy in the 911 call slipped and is describing caylees shorts not casey’s.ANYONE?
FROM Maura #537
The clothing found with Caylee’s remains on December 11 consisted of a pink top (with iron-on letters) and white shorts with thin vertical stripes in pink, orange, and green and a pink button on the front. There was a Dora the Explorer (“Adorable”) backpack with the remains, but no sneakers or sunglasses.
The backpack was orginally in the car..as far as I know there was no backpack found with the remains. Do you have a link that shows the location of the backpack with the remains?
Because in the reports they are referring back to the orignal backpack in the car..although they do not state that..the numbers from the original evidence report seem to bear that out….meaning there was no backpack with the remains…the backpack George described was not the one found in the car. The only reason I point this out is that it shows a huge error in George’s dialogue with both LE and FBI….no white back pack with Monkeys on it was ever found anywhere.
Hey thanks, ClockWatcher!! Going over to look now
Sorry JG…but the loan officer at our bank new by hubby since day he was born (40+ yrs_ and we couldn’t have a BETTER standing). That is simply an irrelevant comment. It’s nothing more than one bank doing as it is supposed to as opposed to someone wanting it to circumvent policy. I stand by my statement.
Read the article now. Interesting that the state wants to pursue the cheque charges within two months and the ZG hearing has been set past that timeline. Wouldn’t doubt that this would be a good strategic move on the part of M&M. I wonder if the prosecutors for the state and whatever judge they add to the list of cases against Casey, will let the A’s and their lawyer get away with their antics, by now the techniques must be pretty transparent. Delay = pay off.
Hey Melissa, Remind me to tell you a story some time about the Warrior River, a bunch of drunk roadies and a cigarette boat.
Hey Blink, I have been dwelling in my mind on Lee saying he had verifiable employment for Casey going back to at least the first of the year. This obviously means Casey had some income. This may be of concern to John Morgan since he will seek monetary damages. This would be a very relevant question to direct to Lee in his deposition. Once the judge lets Lee know that he is to answer the questions asked, not just the ones he wants to. It is soooooooo relevant. Is Mr. Morgan aware of this tidbit that LA put out there in the press? If not he needs to be made aware.
Also, can Mr. Morgan subpoena Casey’s tax returns?
Is that (Casey’s tax returns) like Jumbo Shrimp, Military intelligence, Respectable Republican, etc? (Hi Maura) I seriously wonder if Casey’s tax returns for 2007 and 2008 exist. I also wonder if they contain any “licensing fee” income. Mr. Morgan needs to know as well.
Its funny … I just watched the depo of George Anthony on the Zanny case and in the beginning, he said he NEVER heard that name before July 15th and then, only like 20 minutes later, he answers a question stating Casey told him once or twice she was staying at Zannys house and THEN he says he heard of ‘Zanny’ before but not Zenida until after July 15th. Watching both George and Cindy in their depos on this civil case and how they lose their composure and ARGUE with the person doing the depo, I wonder how they’re going to compose themselves when they’re on the stand and the judge forces them to answer the questions! I’ve done a depo before and I could NEVER pick and choose question I was allowed to answer or I’d have been charged with contempt. These people think they’re above the law.
# 595…Kleat
You are most welcome!
As far as I’ve been able to determine, Judge Strickland will hear the criminal check charges. I’ll be keeping an eye out for his answer, but I’m not sure if Baez has to file a “protest”? before the judge will decide??? But I do hope that the final outcome will be a trial for the check charges by September. (would make a lovely b-day present for me!)
Judge Rodriguez is hearing the civil proceedings for ZG and M&M. The state of Florida is in civil chaos, foreclosure hell at the moment. I think M&M were lucky to get a date that isn’t too terribly far into the future. I will be so disappointed if the Judge allows any antics to delay the “players” from returning to M&M and finishing their depo’s. And I really want to see the Judge nail Dominic C’s attorney to the wall for that crazy motion she sent in.
Blink, have read and re-read and cannot find any posts on this site that go back before Jan ’09. Archives? Or SM?
July 3, maybe a sandle to the mate of the one in the bag that KW found? The tiffany ring plays a part too?? I had thought the lanyard but Cindy made mention of it being gone later than 7/3. (In one of her interviews.) So, it was seen way after 7/3. I think the sandle would have made them curious but the pavers being disturbed together with the sandle would have put them in orbit. And then the dog hitting on the backyard would have orbited them around Pluto. They weren’t really responsible for their craziness after this. They knew, just not the why’s and wherefore’s.
The break-in at NG office (having NG’s lap top would enble her to make all kinds of threats/demands); her DL in the name of NG; paying the fine quickly so no further investigation or bench warrant make me think that Casey was getting into the ID theft business big time to support herself and/or seriously setting up her alibi. She would want a NG license to purchase diapers, etc. to show that NG had Caylee later in the game.
OK, I’m back to searching on the lanyard and more lurking. Til next time love this site. As someone else said, I no longer need mystery books, this is all I can handle.
Onionskin
Onionskin- Do you mean ZG?
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PamTX, out with it girl! Was it simply a ‘card holder’ of an obsolete employment ID badge, or…. ??