Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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Hey chica thanks for clarifing mallorys employment record? But did you just post a bunch of un-redacted phone numbers and addresses? Methinks some of this info will be redacted shortly. LOL
Just kidding on my request for kw digits. Jeezly crow.
Maybe I should have clarified a couple of things. I didn’t think I would have to, but I suppose I didn’t make it clear, so I’ll give it a shot anyway.
The comment I made about an accident=calling 911. Let me clarify and say that in most, or just about all cases, that would ring true. As far as Casey goes….pffffft, it’s all up in the air. No, calling 911 wasn’t something that was a definite for her. I suppose my point was, she may not have called 911 for fear of Cindy’s reaction, or the simple fact that a so called “accident” could have solved her problems for her. I was assuming it would be understood that I meant most normal people would call 911. If the accident were truly an accident, and not something planned, or even something that would have been a convenient way out, I would hope a normal persons reaction would be … accident=call 911.
Also, maybe I should have been more clear on the sociopath point, because I just assumed it would be understood I was talking about Casey vs. anyone else really.
If by some remote chance Casey’s intentions were for Caylee to live a long, happy life, and she and her mother got along splendidly, then I suppose there could be a chance she would have called 911 for help in the event of a true accident. In that scenario, she could possibly show emotions of some sort. I completely agree with the point that Casey only ever shows any emotion, or gets upset when it’s about her. The only times I’ve seen her upset is when it has to do with herself, such as, the day of the first bond hearing, when she heard she wouldn’t be getting out asap. Also, when she got so upset during the jail visit with Cindy and George, when they weren’t letting her speak, according to her. She showed emotion at that point, either because they weren’t allowing her to get her point (lies) conveyed, and/or she was just sick and tired of the questioning as well. All that talk of Caylee was getting on her last nerve. (bi***) ugh!
Everything I’ve read about a true sociopath seems to fit Casey to a T. However, when I said that a sociopath might be able to show emotion, I certainly wasn’t talking about Casey at all. Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of someone who may be a sociopath who is just going along in their daily life, and then some accident happens, possibly involving the loss of a parent or child. I’m not positive, but in that situation, as long as the death wouldn’t serve any purpose for the sociopath, they might possibly be able to muster up some emotion, given that it was a true accident that came out of nowhere and happened to someone whose death wouldn’t serve a beneficial purpose. Phewwww, I know what I meant in my head, (wrong place) ha… just hope it came out more clearly in text.
Ok first I think keith is on the level. He wanted caylee found no doubt. But I am baffled about his call to baez? Did he think baez would do the right thing? Is this call to baez the reason baez called dc and told him if you find her, don’t call 911? This seems to fit with what kw told blink.
I don’t quite see what that long list adds– looks like old news. I am not sure it’s a good idea to continue to repeat the Zenaida G. issue, complete with children’s names– why do that? Sorry, but it just adds to her problems– the children’s names should just stay out of continued postings. Not needed, IMHO.
Public records indicate G owns NO property in Orange County. CA does own along with the mortgage company. I have read “they” were facing foreclosure, does anyone know where this information came from?
Also, I think many of you would be surprised in learning that CA did not earn the high salary you have envisioned she did. Did I not hear on one of the statements or depo’s (maybe by bro Rick or Lee) that she already had a garnishment against her salary? I remember catching a bit of it and was surprised the detectives interrupted the statement at the time. Also was mentioned $45,000 debt ran up….Where would I find the information about the possible foreclosure almost happening?
Public records also indicate C renewed her nursing license by Jan of this year for two years and listed her address as where she worked, (which is the first I’ve seen that done…) therefore, the state licensing board has that as her address to contact her in case needed and to send the renewal to in 2 years.
So then in theory it was kw who tipped baez sometime between 10/21 and 11/5. Didn’t I hear a report somewhere that dc was searching in that area in august? I am wondering if the guy kw came across, the one with the camera keith thought was a reporter and asked him questions was also dc. No wonder baez requested kw and dc phone records?
Another theory I am working is that kw called baez between 10/21 and 11/5 and baez did do nothing. Because baez was told by kw that the anthonys had dc searching the site filming that bogus video to show there was no body out there. All orchastrated by baez but cant be proved. So then likely it was cindy or lee talking with dc on the phone. Which is why baez requested phone records for the anthonys, dc and for kw. Won’t kw phone records prove or disprove that he called baez as well as having had contact with lee and george?.how will baez spin that? I think when kw told george that he had called baez 2 weeks before blink went public with the interviews with kw that’s when george started to suspect a baez doublecross. Sure would like to know the date of blinks kw interviews? Jmo
Keith did call Baez in August, he left a message and the call was never returned. So according to him, Baez had no interest in speaking with him until the article posted.
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Blink, your comment above ‘Baez had no interest… until the article was posted’ just goes to show how much Baez is ‘media-driven’. Good thing you didn’t wait until the ‘media’ broke the story!!! (of course, then never did the legwork so would never have had it in the first place).
(‘they’ never did the legwork… ‘they’ as the regular media)
sorry
boo I may have oops
sorry keat your right. I hope that blink deletes it. I was tired no excuse qand thought it was interesting. sorry everyone my bad.
I meant kleat sorry
the above post that list zg’;s daughter samantha,ive wondered for a long time who this samantha is that went missing on dec 13 2006 the cops were called,http://www.docstoc.com/search/CASEY-ANTHONY-DELETED-MYSPACE/?catfilter=1 ,page28,this comment is attributed to casey,but if you go to the person’s page to find this comment ,the picture has changed it turns into this(go to page 2)http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=133918616 and that comment is attributed to ‘we jammin’, who is sandy (leonard is a friend),who is we jammin’,who is samantha?
Ok thanks blink, so then kw called baez in august. So baez got to watch the anthonys hang themselves. And obviously george and kw both called the same person who was at valencia on a cell phone.right getting directions So is this person also kw “source”? And kw was suprised to learn that george was calling his source. But why? I can understand why keith would call him but why would george? To thank him or what? I am starting to wonder if the finding of caylees body was orchistrated by baez/anthony defense team? And timed to be discovered while the anthonys were out of state, was kw a “dupe” ?
Was la in town in orlando on 12/11? And I’m still working on my theory about rk.
July 3rd, Cindy says was the day she went to Universal to pick up Caylee because she was going to be off that week.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18052101/index.html
Early in this video section– part 10 of 11, at about 40 seconds in>>>>>
“July 3rd Casey told me that the babysitter had Caylee at the character breakfasts’es….”
Drove up to guest services around 2:30-3 o’clock (mentions receipt somewhere home or car, 10 dollars), then called from there to Casey– Casey said she was in Jacksonville, and that was the first day Casey told her (Cindy) that she was in Jacksonville.
Jeff’s mom had Caylee, first time she changed who was watching Caylee, so Cindy suspected Ricardo somehow.
Wouldn’t come home til Sat, 5th, Caylee with Jeff’s family on 4th but Cindy wanted to take Caylee for fireworks, so disappointed. Jeff took car to be fixed Oil/brakes– Jeff did it as favour, one of his mechanics. (but car was in towing) Car not ready til next Thursday of following week–> July 10th. (finally got car back)
Fri 11th, Cindy did not speak to her entire day. Jeff going to come back on 12th, so she held off until he came too, so he could follow her home from Jville.
Cindy said, no red flags yet, if I thought anything was wrong– you know how I’d react– so Scott Bolin says ‘you’d be up there’ and Cindy says ‘… in a heartbeat’, Scott says– just like you went up to Universal. Cindy replied ‘yes’ (to the ‘you went to Universal’ comment by Bolin).
Cindy didn’t realize that she admitted in this statement, that there was something that caused her to think something was wrong as the reason she went to Universal.
Yep– fits with Blink’s idea that something found on the 3rd.
Ok… got it now.
Cindy was interviewed by Scott Bolin FIRST– Cindy had the above story from previous post. Cindy’s date in her version of the Universal Studio’s visit was ‘JULY 3rd’ at the times stated, and Casey’s excuse of Jacksonville. Note that Cindy wasn’t working to have been available to go to Universal at that time of the afternoon, (vs on her way home from work). (but on July 3rd, and starting holidays, maybe on July 3rd she was actually off work that day, or headed off early for holidays– maybe)
GEORGE was interviewed by Scott Bolin the day following Cindy’s interview. Here’s the crunch– George’s account is that after the gas can incident, calling the police, making the report, Casey showing up at the house, the trunk gas can retrieval incident where George claims to have seen the gas cans in the collapsable blue bin in Casey’s trunk, George talked to Cindy. (note the video at WFTV breaks about this point– think something is missing, maybe from cutting the tape by the media)
Start of the next video section (wftv 4 of 7) begins with ‘after Casey takes off…’ (George has his gas cans back now and calls Cindy to tell her as he’d called Cindy about the ‘theft’ of the cans earlier). ‘my wife went all the way to Universal Studios. Cindy told George, Casey said she was back in Tampa, ‘had to go back for Zani — Cindy asks Casey where’s Caylee, and tells George that Casey tells her about the hotel, etc. Story of other lady and child…. etc.
Scott Bolin is now alerted– he is reading his notepad and asks: “All on the 24th?… Wasn’t later on that week?”
George answers: ‘I’m positive” and says ‘same day’ as the gas can situation, he remembers the details, the officer had visited and he had “the officer’s card was there, we took the report’.
Cindy went on way home from work to Universal to guest services, go back over to Tampa….
Scott says; your gut instinct is telling you something, what held you back–???
George says: ‘my wife tellin’ me to calm down… you’re not a detective anymore… you are not this, you are not that’. Things don’t add up for George– he wanted to know all this stuff– how come taking money, why is she supposed to be in one place and she’s in another… I’ve even tried to follow my daughter around…
“The second week, the week of the gas can type of stuff– definitely after the gas can stuff.” Casey asked if she could use Cindy’s car– her car not running exactly right.
‘I seen the car….’ then he tried to follow her. George was sure it was between gas cans incident and towing incident. Casey’s car was left at the house, Casey kept it until later that day or evening. Car not running right as the excuse.
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There’s the confusion of 24th June or 3rd July—> Cindy and George had two different stories, with different details like time of day and reasons Casey gave for not being at Universal.
One other thing that George ‘did not say’ doesn’t make sense. George got on Casey’s case about the gas cans and not telling him. George already talked about the big gas can being for the generator and the smaller one with oil in it for the other things. The big can was usually kept full, not necessarily the smaller ones.
George never said he told Casey about the ‘oil’ in the cans and whether she should put oil in her car gas tank. She’s driving the baby around in hot Florida summer heat and out on highways– but George doesn’t warn her that putting oil in the gas tank regularly might cause the car to not run perfectly well, as Casey complained about. (reasons for borrowing Cindy’s car between the gas can incident and the towing incident time).
George never mentioned the oil in gas thing to Casey– that makes no sense.
boo has revealed her/him?self to be someone other than originally claimed, and not just recently with the improved vocabulary, knowledge of jurisprudence, semantics, etc
just start with the sickening joke about “her” mother– remember?? “she” said her mother “literally exploded”, and that the “explosion was so gross”–see #542
why all of the initial blatant posts about the guilt of certain parties, followed by posts containing insinuations about the guilt of other certain parties, and then the more recent posts insinuating the guilt of yet other unidentified parties???
boo– why pretend to be a single mother aged 23 with a small child??
it wouldn’t take even a first year law student to cross examine you on your posts alone
Lordy, what did I miss? Sorry guys, Holidays with kids come first, I will get back up to speed as soon as I can
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Hello everyone. Happy 4th. Hope everyone had awesome bbq’s
BTW- I wholeheartedly believe that Casey is a sociopath who INTENTIONALLY MURDERED Caylee, and that all of the evidence to date, circumstantial, direct and forensic, all point to her guilt, and will ultimately serve to either convict her or force her to accept LWOP in lieu of a very real potential for a DP sentence.
I also find compelling evidence to support accessory charges/convictions against Cindy Anthony, George Anthony and Lee Anthony.
Then again, I am only an attorney with a couple of decades of experience.
BTW– All three family members have now clearly lied UNDER OATH. I don’t care what their motivations are.. and neither does the law.
The beauty of the case against the sociopath, Casey, is that she didn’t even need to intentionally lie under oath. She did that –BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT– in the fraud case alone, and on VIDEOTAPE YET!
She may believe she is as bright as someone such as Frank Abernathy.. or as cunning as Verbal Kint (The Usual Suspects)…
but if there was ever such a plethora of material to cross-examine and convict anyone… let’s just say it would be a piece of cake to not only get the accused their just convictions, but it would be easy icing on the cake to get any judge to impost the max.
Sadly, CAYLEE WILL NOT HAVE APPOPRIATE JUSTICE,(because a conviction will never bring her back), BUT THE GOOD AND CARING CITIZENS WHO CONTINUE TO GRIEVE HER LOSS WILL, FOR HER VOICE WILL RING LOUD AND CLEAR FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
New theory; I think casey first thought of blaming lee and I think the laundry bag came from his house. I think those stuffed animals were hand picked by casey. The ones that lee gave caylee.I think that’s what lee noticed on 7/3.and I think he is afraid of his sister. Anybody botice how lee was the one who always drove casey back and forth after she was bailed out? And he did bot like baez and neither did george. And remember early on when some locals left stuffed animals for casey at the abthony home and lee threw them out? He is in this deep and I am now convinced it is lee that amy was thinking of when she told le that casey had to have had help?
Finally reading up on sociopaths/psychopaths/antisocial personalities (okay, I’m a little behind the curve, lol). Most interesting, ESPECIALLY the part about failing to plan ahead, which has been bugging me about kc. Actually, what bugs me most is trying to square ‘premeditation’ with what looks to me like failure to plan what to do with the body. (If I go through all the trouble of planning or at least thinking about committing a murder, why don’t I plan what to do next? weird.) Anyway, maybe it’s just that simple—she didn’t plan what to do cuz she just doesn’t plan ahead much.
I think it was lee casey confessed to but lee told his frienfs it was cindy she confessed to and I think lee came up with this story to frame his mom.
I am guessing that since le and fbi have this info and have not charged lee yet he has gotten his immunity. What else do some of those listed witnesses have to say for the prosecution I wonder?
No problem chica just made me a liitle uncomfortable. actually I think you helped me find keiths source justin. I notice that he is also on the witness list.
I never saw the lies at first when learning about the case and watching early interviews, then Cindy became obvious in her ‘work’ for Casey, and of course, George too. The FBI tapes turned from an early ‘they are hyper, saying things at face value, being open and in denial, grieving’ and a first viewing (second or more too) of George was that he was the one being more honest with himself about who the new ‘after 20′ Casey was.
But in reviewing George’s tapes now, knowing what has come out in his M&M depo, I’m shocked at what I hear in his FBI tape now that I never clued into before. We know George’s Ans to M&M about the Blanchard Park version of kidnapping could not possibly be the truth, George wasn’t keeping his head in the sand that much, Cindy would have told him, he would have heard something.
The FBI tape ‘progresses’ through the Blanchard Park ‘scenario’ and it’s mentioned not once, not twice, but four times! IIRC, the first mention, George didn’t say anything but didn’t say he hadn’t heard that version of the nanny taking Caylee before. The second time, Bolin asks George ‘Zani knocked her to the ground and took Caylee… in front of witnesses ?’ (and adds, no witnesses found to corroborate) The third time, there’s talk of Ricardo, Puerto Rico etc, and now is ‘Jessie the Zani that held Casey down etc.
The fourth time comes near the end of the interview, George now reveals ‘something else came up’ that he wants to tell the FBI about. George tells Bolin about the ‘scenario that Jessie held my daughter down when someone grabbed my granddaughter’.
And George told about Jessie’s father calling him and wanting to talk to him and how George didn’t want to because George said that he’d have ‘gone off on him’. So George was upset about Jessie being involved in the kidnapping ‘scenario’ enough to want to go off on Richard Grund– but George told him to meet at the vigil (from Richard Grund’s tapes) and George took off, kept Grund waiting and waiting to talk to him.
And George rants against Baez, but I wonder if at this point, that’s really how George feels because it might be a ‘good guy/bad guy’ play, so George thinks he makes the investigators think he’s really not playing sides against Caylee.
We’ve all noticed how George talks about ‘my granddaughter’, he does it in this early FBI interview so often– isn’t that a tactic to ‘dehumanize’ a victim to a jury (pool)? The baby was missing at this very early point so why not say her name as much as possible if they want to find her. Instead, it’s ‘granddaughter’ (nameless).
Sounds like defense coaching really early on here, when George is still on his ‘I don’t like Baez, rant’.
suz, premeditation doesn’t mean weeks of planning ahead. It can be in a split-second before the act, where the intent to kill was formed and acted upon. (if I’ve got this right)
Also, sociopaths are risk-takers, so go with the plan they have and wing it– lies worked before. I suppose they get better as they age and get experience though, so their plans work out better with experience.
i been waiting for some type of validation before i went annabel from the crucible but yes casey fits every trait of a sociopath profile except two: starts fires and torture or kills small animals,DIDNT ,dickens say there was a FIRE at the PET CEMETARY? and the wallet and sears card found were involved in a fire(the exneighbor had a house fire (probably coincidence))how many pets did these girls have to bury?and i thought it was three,casey kiomarie,jessica.IS jessica ,keith williams sister? cuz he says his sister buried pets with casey too?where is the police interview,where kiomarie mentions pet burying?,i’ve never buried a pet ,dont know if its a common thing but seems really strange to me.(did le have to dig up some pets and do autopsies?)cindy didnt want a body search in the pet cemetary ,sorry didnt want to go there? but so many clues, did everyone( incl. casey) ,know she’s a sic puppy. i apologize to everyone for saying this.
Interesting, maybe George wasn’t ‘technically’ lying to M&M afterall. (but it’s a long stretch to think George never heard of the Blanchard Park, Casey threatened, etc, scenario– he’s just trying to play games because he’s had Jessie in mind, as ‘the nanny’ as per the scenario told to Scott Bolin.
George answers in his M&M depo version (draft) as posted at http://www.forthepeople.com, page 58 of the pdf:
A. I’ve heard a lot of stories, sir.
Q. Have you heard that…. changed the story to Zenaida Gonzalez took her from her, kidnapped her from her at Blanchard Park? Have you heard of that change in your daughter’s story?
A. Have not.
Q So that’s news you’re hearing for the first time here today?
A. Yeah, yes.
But backup a minute– George is clearly lying in this first question by Mr. Mitnik when he asks:
Q What do you know about your daughter changing the story…. to being kidnapped at Blanchard Park?
A. I have no knowledge of that.
Q. None?
A. None.
Darn, George doesn’t get away with a technical lie afterall! (not that anyone would believe he hasn’t listened to every word out of Casey’s mouth in every jailhouse video, with the new ZG at Blanchard story)
#771 – Silverspnr – My feelings exactly! I have a LE background, and I have seen this scenario time and time again. I have seen the defendents fight all the way to trial, and then at the last minute change to a plea because the “odds” are against them. Too much evidence and then not willing to chance a more severe punishment if they take it to trial.
Lee told kc’s friends to tell the truth and not cover for her, so I just don’t think lee is sitting on a confession. I don’t even think kc has it in her to ever confess. She might not even know what the real truth is anymore since she seems pretty attached to her lies. Frustrating to think that we will never really know what really happened (when and where and why and how the whole thing went down).
Also, recall that Lee is the one who freely spilled the Blanchard Park nanny snatching/timer 55 twist to the story during his (bizarrely giggily) ZG deposition, so I just don’t have the sense that Lee is one who would cover up stuff anymore—-though I sometimes think he is the one who cleaned up kc’s PC or myspace/facebook stuff in the early days of the investigation. Maybe LE yelled at/threatened him about that and now he just comes clean. At any rate, he is the only one with the sense to lie low these days.
Well said silversprnr, well said. Blink has uncovered so much on this case and left the clues for us to follow. But she has much more to tell us I have no doubt. Can’t wait. Also one can’t fail to notice that when caylee was murdered by one of their own, george, cindy and lee set out to destroy each other and themselves exposing casey,s guilt.
Kleat, yeah, I do think your example of what i would call instant premeditation is correct (what I would liken to a crime-of-passion/rage “that’s it, I am going to kill you RIGHT NOW!”), but I guess I meant lengthier premeditation more along the lines of “kc’s computer searches were all part of a long term plot to kill caylee”—as some people believe. I just meant if the latter were true, why on earth wouldn’t she plan not just the murder but the corpse disposal as well? bUt if a sociopath, then maybe planning just wasn’t her thang. dunno. i’m up in the air as to motive (if any) and how and why it all happened.
Kleat- Excellent point. You are correct that the forming of intent can be almost instantaneous (vs well thought out ahead of time), depending upon the jurisdiction in which the crime is committed. It varies, State to State. Here, I think the evidence of planning would meet any jurisdictional requirement though.
I am ever grateful to Blink–and all here who take the time to carefully and meaningfully investigate crimes, particularly those against children. The concern, not to mention, the integrity, speaks volumes in favor of American justice.
“… and JUSTICE for ALL” is not simply the presumption of innocence for the accused; rather, it is also for those who have come to “know” and mourn victims who have no one in their own family to speak their truth. CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY will have her justice, and I believe that will come about in no small part due to the intelligent work of Blink, and the people here who contribute with good intentions.
Maybe the ‘risk’ is part of the thrill of the lifestyle. Casey’s always been able to lie to get her story accepted, even when people didn’t believe her, they let the issue go.
Suz-
I think you are onto something that will aid psychologists and criminal profilers moving forward. This case may shed some crucial light on the mind of sociopaths in general.
And on that note..
You are wiser than Casey’s defense team.
Assuming, argueno, she did not plan this, and it was an act of rage… the defense could reasonably argue for a lesser included offense– as in Murder, but not Murder 1.
That would be the way an ETHICAL defense attorney might approach this case, which would be far more appropriate than the outright lying that has been perpetrated by the defense here. There ARE ethical lines that have been breached.
While an attorney is under an ethical obligation to “zealously” represent the client, that duty is tempered by other ethical obligations which seem to have fallen by the wayside here.
FWIW– I am as sickened by the attorney for the Anthony’s as I am by Baez. WHAT ATTORNEY ALLOWS HIS CLIENTS TO BEHAVE IN THAT MANNER IN A DEPOSITION??? PARTICULARLY ONE THAT IS BEING VIDEO-TAPED, AND HAS NATIONAL MEDIA ATTENTION???!
If anyone had A SCINTILLA of sympathy for Cindy and/or George BEFORE those depositions took place, they certainly lost that sliver of concern for them after!
Talk about ineffective assistance of counsel!! HA!
(fortunately, they are not charged with any crimes at the time, and therefore, his ineffectiveness cannot inure to their benefit at any time down the line!)
Oh, just remembered, wasn’t there speculation that Lee was the one who canceled kc’s cellphone? thus sort of screwing up the search warrant (not sure why that would screw things up for the search warrant, but it apparently did). Maybe that’s why LE said “Lee knows what he has done.”
Suz I can see you have compassion.and kleat is working on gandc and when they knew. But I read the kw article and the sm article he knows what he did. Keith is the good guy and lee is in deep ca ca.
boo—what if anything do you think lee did? cindy i can see—-washing the pants, providing the wrong hairbrush, etc. But i guess i am just not clear about lee. he seems like a good guy (and i don’t automatically think his not taking the poly is a sign of guilt, but i know others feel that way). other than his odd depo laughter, he seems kind of normal compared to mom/dad/sis
silverspnr, if you mean cin’s and geo’s hostile behavior during their memorable ZG depositions, then yep i agree that their lawyer gave them really weird advice if he coached them to act that way (unless the whole family is going for an insanity defense, lol)—-but remember that their lawyer is conway (dude in the wheelchair) not baez.
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I got a the contact person the Milsteads will have to go through here for the license for HOUSE OF PURPOSE…without that license no House!
We are also going to write her about them…let alone they have a convicted person on the board for aggravated child abuse.
Should i post here?
5th time trying to post this….
Suz, on your point about Lee being the one to tell Casey’s friends not to lie for her, wouldn’t that be the perfect way to cover the friend (ie: Annie) and any twists of truth she might tell on behalf of Casey? Since we KNOW from Lee, the family would never want her friends to lie for Casey.
Just like George telling authorities that Cindy tells it like it is. Cindy said to authorities, that Lee is like her, tells it like it is– straight shooters, I think she called themselves. Telling time and time again how honest and truthful they are as a family, so LE and FBI and the world should believe them.
Silverspnr so I was not wrong then when I reached my conclusion that bc is one of the bottom feeders in this case and the ethical lawyers such as najeme walked away.talk about ugky coping makes me long for a hot shower.is ugly coping the new term for evil and unethical. And what up with jane weintrab?
oopsie, sorry siverspnr, i misread your post—i see you know the ants have a different atty. : )
Silverspnr, just how far can Baez go to ‘pin this on Jesse’? How could this play out, other than George and Cindy testifying to the disagreements and Jessie’s ‘so called temper’. (boy, gotta give it to Jesse for standing up to Cindy when he was engaged to her daughter!!– more hootz-paw than George ever has shown)
How manipulative can a lawyer actually be in the framing of someone? George and Cindy and their PI’s have some privileges we can never know about (if we listen to Brad), the rest is attny client priv. Can the family members plot with the attny to cover, to frame, and have communications for this purpose between parents and accused that is privileged– letters between parents and accused go ‘through’ the attny, so if they plot or plan or suggest, it’s facilitated by Baez.
Can an independent judge be asked to review communications in camera that might be crossing the ethical line? The bar association could not venture into that arena to investigate I’d guess, not without someone else bringing violations to the attention of the association. Besides, isn’t the Fl. Bar only acting in a capacity to ‘instruct’ poor lawyers who don’t quite follow the rules, so that doesn’t happen again?