Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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Hey Momof5. I am not Blink but I know that the Anthony’s have a 6′ wooden privacy fence in their backyard.
One thing I just remembered that I have not seen spoken of recently…. Didn’t the cadaver dogs also hit on the sandbox as well? I think it is the plastic kind with a cover.
re: chris stutz what does this mean exactly?
Uhoh, you know what happens on here when you ask a question indicating you did not research it yourself first?
lol, you may not got an answer, but I really dont understand your question anyway
B
Thank you, Blink….Interesting reading.
Cadaver dogs had several hits in A’s backyard and pool area if I recall correctly. This is why we always summized that SOMETHING happened in the backyard. What the Autopsy will tell us, though is a timeline and HOW Caylee’s death occured. So, when we know exactly her manner of death or what she died from—the rest of the pieces should fall into place. If she was drowned–then water should be in the lungs. If Chloroform was used or any drugs given to her prior to her death, that should be evident in the toxicology report.
NG, I fear you may be article behind, tox was clean and there was no lungs to examine, she was completely skeletanized.
B
No wonder G&C fought the release of the results so hard—the reason they gave was BS, of course. Even in the midst of defeat, they still are trying to protect—themselves and their murdering daughter. Even if Caylee’s death was an accident at first, this entire family is dispicable and there should be no sympathy for anyone but Caylee Marie Anthony.
Blink, at what point do we stop talking about this little beautiful girl being murdered. We all KNOW she was murdered by her mother, TwinkieBoobs. Isn’t it time to start talking about how this irrational defense seems so sure they’re going to win this trial. I have two questions I would like serious answers for. 1) Is it possible the defense already has plans to tamper with a juror? There just doesn’t seem to be a defense for this murder. Too many lies, no other killer. I just don’t get it! 2) Since we have heard the grandmother (SinDie) and Baez tell us publicly “we just don’t know all the facts” implying they do, is it possible Casey has multiple personalities? One of them being Zanny who killed little Caylee to free up TwinkieBoobs to party. An insanity defense?
1) No
2) No
B
RE: Your comments to my #50. Yep, I understand that you do not believe this was an accident. Since I trust you so deeply, for a moment I actually went back to re-think my own theory. Nope….still “intentional”…thanks Blink for thinking of all the angles. Nobody can ever say you aren’t fair..lol. I am sooo waiting for further information regarding Stutz, though like you, I don’t believe this will ever go to trial. What amazing people you have on this site! You should all be proud of your input, caring, and compassion.
#51 Red Ranger — don’t know who you are, but your input and postings are awesome!!!
Blink, I admire your brilliance! Why would Casey feel the need to layer the duct tape over Caylee’s mouth and nose so that she wouldn’t have to see that expression on Caylee’s face (the O)? Wouldn’t just one strip of tape done the trick? It’s been said that the act of adding layer after layer of the tape is an act of rage.
At about $20 per roll for 200 tape I reckon it was stolen from one of ‘ems job.
Dear DeeinFl…I absolutely remember Casey saying “they haven’t even found her clothing”. That was one of the very, few slip ups by Casey’s own admission.
I have looked and looked and cannot find the ORIGINAL conversation between herself and Lee when she first went to jail. Whatever was said that day has to be important because in the 2nd visit they spoke of “wishing they’d realized they were being recorded/it would be made public” and had to be more careful. Anyone know where to find that very, first meeting? I am sure something crucial was in that conversation. I believe Lee knows soooo much more he pulled out of his sister, or just by knowing her better than anyone.
#50: Is it possible that Casey and Caylee went swimming w/ Chris at his parents’ house on Mothers’ Day? Do the Stutz’s have a pool?
This week I viewed all of Cindy’s video interview early Aug 2008 (4 parts). She casually mentions Chris bringing over the bag to one of their meetings with all the friends. I think if there were anything suspect she might have pointed that out herself at that interview, as she was already looking for where to put the blame.
Yes and I agree Stutz interview redacted, which is legal under Florida law, but who gets the unredacted copy? Jose Baez.
B
You know Red Ranger I have to say that the dog hits in the back yard were described as the dogs showing interest in these areas. Which was strange wording to me ..I mean cadaver dogs either they hit or they don’t. Then I am thinking a little girl not quite potty trained may have left DNA in her sandbox , playhouse , etc when her diaper leaked alittle bit. That wouldn’t be a hit..but it might make a cadaver dog show interest.
Still interested in the two paper towels with the grave wax on them found in Casey’s trash bag in the trunk of her car.
And yes..she was trying to set up everyone she could..I think that Chris’ parent’s have a pool..still why leave all the baby’s pool garments and toys there?
I can’t understand how the body could have been placed in the wooded area within several blocks of the Anthony home shortly after Caylee’s death. I know it rained there in August but wasn’t it searched multiple times prior to that. How could the remains not have been found?
the point that i took from the tape ,autopsy and research and of course with future further explaination from the experts,is that she would have 4 to ten minutes,to put tape on the mouth securing the mandible(not that she knew thats whats she what doing)otherwise the mandible is stuck open for next 18,36,72 hours,until decomp releases the rigor mortis holding it open ,the autopsy implies that the tape held the mandible in place, not that 18 -72 hours passed before the tape what placed,which implies that either the tape was placed within 4-10min or it was there before or at exact death. WHICH imo i surmise that the tape was(IN NO ORDER) either punishment(before),or to muffle noise(before),or premeditated staged kidnapping(before, during or after) To me the news was devasting because it counts out accident as in 4-10 min. she would still be processing what was happening to think to cover her mouth with duct tape to make it look like a kidnapping.that would be least a couple hours later,so you could surmise that yes two .6 days later when she disposed of after seeing ‘untracable’ she put the tape on her mouth to make it look like a kidnapping (now the jaw can be taped closed) but thats not what the autopsy says, autopsy states CLEARLY ,so in comes linda boden battle of the experts, bet state and fbi got more.
B,
Thanx for all of the insight into this horrendous crime! One thing that I have not heard alot about of is the fact that they said that the cadaver dogs hit on a spot by the fence. IMO, I think that she hopped that privacy fence in their back yard and went thru the back way to drop Caylee’s body off in the woods.
Gypsy,
“still why leave all the baby’s pool garments and toys there?”
If Casey intentionally left them there (planted them) and Chris didn’t know she had left them there at the time…… and Caylee was already gone….possible set up?
Steelbonnet – the area in which the body was was underwater when the first of the searches was going on. I distinctly remember Tim Miller saying that he had wanted to search that area but it was underwater and that they held off going in there so in case there was something there they wouldn’t disturb it. It is a good thing that they didn’t or else the plant growth would have been disturbed and there wouldn’t be such a good record of how long the body was there. I fully believe that nothing went according to Casey’s “plan”. she was hoping someone would steal the car so that when the car was eventually found – there would be unknown prints there casting doubt on who had access to it. But that didn’t go according to her “plans”. And, I fully believe that she thought the car was stolen when she didn’t see it at Amscots anymore – so she was very very very surprised when mommy came and found her and the car was at home. The devil is in the detail and even from the first 911 call – Casey gave way too much detail that didn’t match up with reality.
Sorry if this a dumb question but…what does ‘redacted’ mean?
blacked out or hidden, sometimes edited. And not stupid
B
This is the best site I’ve found on this subject! I’ve never posted a comment before. I hope you don’t mind. I don’t buy into the theory of Caylee’s death being an accident. My daughter was killed in a tragic accident and I can tell you that it took me over two years before I could even walk and chew gum at the same time. Partying, shopping or getting a tattoo was the last thing on my mind. I also believe that Casey will try to implicate her parents. They know her better than anyone and probably anticipate that she’ll do this. It would explain why they always walked lightly around her and why she refuses to acknowledge them in court.
TY and welcome to my blinkdom. These genius posters are nice enough to let me hang out
B
To the Self Proclaimed Queen of Acronyms….please edit me as necessary…
“correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm”. Urban dictionary….msm =Mainstream Media. I jus, I jus, I jus didn’t get it. And for any other medical as well as ‘urban tards’ like me reading here….Posterior=Back…Anterior=Front.
Point taken my friend, and ROTFL. “Urban Tards” best laugh I have had in days.. TY
B
I am a nurse with many years of experience in large hospitals. Yes, the securing of the mouth shut with string has been used for many years. All nurses dread having to “bring out the body bag”. I have had to tie one many times. And no, the “O” effect does not take place within hours, it can take a while. I have left bodies in beds for hours with sheets up to the chin many times while family members make arrangements or we await their arrival.
As gases from death gather in the body it seeks an outlet and can often come in the form of moan like sounds in the early stages. This can be very upsetting to even us seasoned pro’s.
I am new to reading here and don’t even know who writes here. I googled something about the case & wound up here. Cindy A. would know the smell of dead body tissue as that is something she would have had to deal with as a nurse. It is distinctive. For instance, if a person came in with a necrotic ulcer on their leg…and the wound was covered with bandages and clothing. A seasoned medical professional would readily know it was necrotic (dead tissue) without having to look at the wound.
I think this mother killed her baby because she was at the end of her rope trying to have a carefree social life. I think there was a fight and she was told no more free babysitting, no more partying…take care of your child. I do not think anyone else was involved with the child’s death. I think the grandparents let the month go by because they had taken a strong stand and were letting their daughter take over responsibility.
The actions by the grandparents afterward is sickening. But, back to the big “O”, I think the tape was placed after death to stop the sounds & the fluid. Placed in strips across the childs face (the report said anterior that is the front & did not mention posterior (the back))…also the wad of hair left was on the side that was placed next to the ground. That helped preserve it and will put a nail in Casey Anthony’s coffin. I see many nails from this evidence that will help seal that well deserved coffin.
However you got here JG we are glad ya did.
Thanks for weighing in, I do think people are of the opinion that “prior to decomp” means almost instantaneous, and as you pointed out, which agrees with my research, it can take several hours.
B
lovingmom..I kinda doubt Casey would have carried a bag with Caylee’s remains that far. Here’s another theory…she dropped it over the fence and went back to get it later? Would explain the dogs hitting there. I doubt though Casey would put the physical effort into carrying even Caylee’s body that far. Something tells me she has a princess mentality and that would constitute work which is obviously not something she’s too interested in. Probably went straight from her car trunk to the woods. I may be wrong. NO doubt we’ll all be further repulsed to learn what LE’s theory and the unreleased evidence is. When’s the trial anyway…October?
I forgot I had a question. Did the DNA evidence come back from the circular spot in the trunk of the car? And was there dna samples taken from the paper towels?
Not back and not disclosed.
B
Okay Blink,
sorry….I went back to re-read after looking up the references to the skull angles thinking I would understand better….but now I’m still confused by this:
“First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face.”
Can you clarify? Am I missing it, or did you mean Anterior for one of these posterior references?
Nope, the posterior of the mandible is still on the anterior of the face. Think the backteeth, still on your face.
B
Thanks again, Blink. WOW! I haven’t caught up with the case in weeks…so I am amazed and did missed that info.
Those in the know and with the best Criminal Investigative/Scientific and Forensic evidence currently in their possession will piece this together perfectly. I’m certain they already have.
I beg to differ Ms. Blink– there are genius posters yes indeedie, but they come here because of you and we mere mortal readers/posters all benefit. And it’s like ‘living commentaries’ where you can visit time and time again and find not only new good reader comments, but new blink ideas, points, comments, answers, inserted into the ‘living comment page’. So we can learn more each time, something new to read. And the older stories too, can keep these threads alive with new info and viewpoints. All changing as things develop.
Then there’s the lanyard! We’ll continue to wait patiently….
Thanks Ms. Blink, there is a whole new level of reporting here!
sorry, but I can no longer see the word ‘redacted’ without a chuckle from the Craigslist ‘redacted’ sparring. The word will never be the same again……
Lol, true dat.
B
Here some interesting stuff. On 8/8 kc refuses a visit fro lee but speaks to him by phone asks lee to contact baez and have him come over to the jail. On 8/11 there are several ground and air searches focusing on wooded areas near amscor, moss park and the airport and is also the date kronk calls in his 1st tip. On 8/14 kc meetd eith g&c where they question kc on caylees whereabouts.there are no more visits from the a”s. Casey gets released on 8/21. On 9/3 le holds a press and goes on record that caylee is most likely deceased. Also on 9/3 le offers tm $5000 to stay and continue his searches. He vows to find caylee and states he is standing w/i r mi of where he believes she is but can’t disclose his location. On 9/5 kc gets released a 2nd time. On 9/6 le receives a call about g’s gun and it is confiscated.on 9/11 all searches are suspended.
Jenn, respectfully, this is old news and frankly not very specific as to your point. Most folks on here can recite this at will, and it lacks signifcant other data. I am not sure what your saying and honestly do not have the time to address it, no offense intended, just not what this specific site is geared to.
B
Here’s a new thread question– the tattoo parlour owner Danny, gave an interview last year as Danny Colomarino a couple days after Casey was returned home because she visited his tattoo place on the Tuesday (15th I think, same day Cindy found her). But tonight on the NG webpage new video segments, he is interviewed with as Danny Knight. Looks like the same person, new name?? (better for all the press attention, new Anglicized name to replace the longer Italian version?)
Blink will the state offer kc a plea because of all these failed searches?
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Hi Blink,
Always enjoy reading your site and reading others opinions. Per your possible scenario regarding the duct tape. I totally agree with you that there are going to be fingerprints (CMA’S) on the duct tape if not all over it. As far as her putting the duct tape on after the “O” sign, that one I am having a hard time with. Per the Medical examiners report, the duct tape was placed pre-decomposition. From what I have read, decomposition begins 4 minutes post mortem. The “O” sign is either at time of death or shortly after. Now, that would mean immediately upon death, or very shortly afterwards,she started putting that tape over mouth/nose before decomposition began. In order for her to accomplish that, she would have had to have had that tape ready and standing by and started taping her immediately to do that. Therefore, if it was an accident of any kind, how would she be set up with the duct tape so quickly to tape her up? I just don’t see it. It just doesn’t make sense. If it were within 10 minutes of her death, yes, that might make sense. I think you, as well as myself, and others, have been trying to give her the benefit of doubt for a long time. Who wants to believe she could so callously kill such a beautiful, Innocent child on purpose? After reading this duct tape was put on her pre-decomposition (within 4 minutes of her death), It has left no doubt in my mind. This was not an accident.
Nobody is saying it is an accident, and respectfully, your stats on the “prior to decomp” can is off by hours. I believe the stat your referring to has to do with k9′s and the presence of cadaverne and putricine.
B
I was just wondering why someone would have been looking up the gas on the puter. Do you think Casey was using this on Caylee? Just a way for her to party or would the chemicals from the pool from her body leave this in the trunk? I still do not really get the heart? I am under the impression that she really did not think the body would ever be found by placing the sticker. Blink, have they thrown the nanny story away? Just want your opinion of why they are going for the dp. The prosecution has alot more that we just have not heard right? Do you feel they have some sort of proof to get the dp for her or is this some type of strategy they are using? thanks for all info very interesting
# Comment by Riddlemethis — June 23, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
Gypsy,
“still why leave all the baby’s pool garments and toys there?”
If Casey intentionally left them there (planted them) and Chris didn’t know she had left them there at the time…… and Caylee was already gone….possible set up?
I just wanted to respond to this because I’ve heard it several times today on different sites. Some people believe that spending time with his parents that night was a way to feel out the where and whens of leaving the bag with the swimsuit. My problem is this…. If she hid them in an attempt to frame him, and she hid them well, thinking that LE would tear the place apart someday, and they would be the only ones to find them….. my question would be how or what made Chris go looking through his entire house for this, if it wasn’t in plain sight? If he were going to the A’s house to discuss knowledge of Caylee/Casey, there still would be no reason at that point to go looking around his own home for evidence that Casey may have planted. So, maybe someone else can straighten that one out for me.
P.S. If it were an accident, she would have confessed to it by now. The only reason whatsoever, if it were an accident that she didn’t report it, would be the fear of her Mother’s wrath. But, she no longer has that to fear and she has not confessed to any accident. She knows the evidence is pointing very clearly that it wasn’t an accident and that is why she won’t.
http://www.sgm.ac.uk/pubs/micro_today/pdf/110108.pdf
nothing to do with K9′s. Please read.
O no you di int quote Dr. Vass, my forensic mentor to me.. Kidding.
You are 100% that is the LITERAL translation for the beginning of decompostition. I agree. However, What Dr. G is referring to as it relates to rigor preventing the mandible to stay in its pre-deceased position (within reason) and that is approximately 2- 4 hours following death. Don’t forget Dr. Hall puts the tape at post decomp and prior to hair matting. That is a wide, wide berth. But again, hes a Forensic Anthropologist not an ME.
B
Terri & Dee; comments 9 & 28; Dee answered correctly about the appearant storybook pictured at the sceen which turns out to be a yellow sign.
This contains the pic we all saw that looked to be the storybook. Photo #1 and click off the caption to see the “book”.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18311441/detail.html
This is the sign: Photo #34;
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-photos-discovery-casey-anthony-021809,0,681810.photogallery
Re: #34 and the letters….B i g T r o u b l e C o m e s S m a l l…. I imagined they are letters from her shirt. I’ve seen children’s clothes with the writing big trouble comes in small packages….
I assumed the letters were fabric and not cut and left at the site on purpose..
Blink I posted the info about the searches then followed it with a question. In your opinion will kc get a plea deal because of all the failed searches? “So u have posted old comments the a’.s have made to the press about the location site her body was found in so I am wondering if you are of the opionion that cindy and others knew where caylee was based on their comments? That was my point. Yiur observations of the autopsy are very ibteresting but still points to rage and murfer. -t has been my obvservation from the beginning that kc is not ruled by fear. Hence I don’t think she was spooked after death if caylees jaw did pop open. Fear is not an emotion that kc experiences in my opinion this was pure rage.
I mean no offense, but I am telling you the first part makes no sense to me and the rest tells me you have not really read here, because my thoughts on this subject matter are widely known on this site.
B
okay, my bad. It was my understanding the tape was put there pre-decomposition. I couldn’t bring myself to read the autopsy report. I figured pre-decomp is pre-decomp. You are saying, Dr. Hall said the tape was put post-decomposition? Now I am confused.
I reread your post and I understand.
Ty, to be fair, I am an analyst/Investigator. When it comes to Medical subject matter, I go back to Medicolegal training, it is definately not my original thought.
B
Hi Blink,
This is O/T, so please forgive me. I just heard a story about a missing girl, Christine Sheddy in Pocamoke, MD. I live in MD and have never heard this name or this story. This girl disappeared on Nov. 13, 2007. I suggested to her family to get in touch with you and maybe you will do a story. They are desperate to get her name and face out there and get some media coverage. Hope you don’t mind. I know you have several large cases you are working on at the moment, just thought that so many people come to this site. It could get her name out there. Please delete, I don’t mind, considering it has nothing to do with the Caylee/Casey case, just wanted to get that message to you.
Thanks for all you do!
D
Nope, I will never delete a legitimate request for help on behalf of the family of a missing person. However, in this case, I am working with Christine’s Mom at her request so very astute of you to mention this case.
B
If she would have said it was an accident , she would have been or could have been charged with the wrongful death of Caylee . I think Caylee and Casey were swing in the pool and Casey got out the Caylee but left the ladder up . I think Casey was on the cell phone or doing something else where she wasn’t watching what Caylee was doing . I think Caylee then went back outside and got in the pool and drawn. Casey may have freaked out and tried to do something to help her . But didn’t call the cops because it would have been all her fault for not watching Caylee close enough . So she did the only thing that could come to her. She didn’t want anyone to think she was a bad mother for not moving the ladder . But she forgot to move it away from the pool before her mom and dad came home . I think she took and put Caylee in a bag and put her somewhere other the the car . Because on the 19th or 20 that’s when George went in the trunk of casey’s car and he didn’t smell anything . The DR. said that it would only take a day for a dead body to start smelling . He would have smelled something by then . I think that she at one point did move caylee to her trunk where she stay for a few day until Casey thought a plan . Then she took her to where she was found .
Wendy,
I can’t find the reference for the Sentinel article Pam of TX referenced yet, because I’m still re-reading the autopsy, and only got to the drop’ point on pge 18 of Stutz’s depo, where it looks like he started to say something which was just dropped out (redacted perhaps). Pam from TX do you have a link for that Sentinel article?
But regardless in your reference to my post why would he necessarily think anything of her leaving stuff there until after Caylee disappeared? Again, didn’t read the article yet to see when he “discoved” he had the stuff, but it wouldn’t have necessarily raised any alarms until Caylee went missing. Right?
Also I think your theory that she drowned is a fine one makes sense that she tossed her in the pool or bathtub w/o her water wings while she was busy texting or whatever would take only seconds and would not have taken any time away from kc busy social activities. In my opinion you could analyze her cell records and stil not be able to find a possible tod by her cell activity. also might explain why no shoes found with caylee and why cindy observed the ladder being out?
well blink guess that comment was direct. I misunderstood your site I thought I had the freedom to ask you questions and state my observatuons so I am sorry if I have offended thee
Not offended, and I meant none to you, simply stating if you dont know the case that well, I would not expect those that do to do the leg work. I say this out of respect for readers who take the time to utilize this site and the hundreds of other resources out there. Its not personal, its an issue of time, and the very precious little I have to then work on other cases that deserve answers for their families. If you notice, the bulk of questions are clarifications of available information, and I applaud that.
Thanks again Blink! You truly are a blessing!
#91 Riddle — I stand here correcting myself…it was cfnews 13…not the Orlando Sentinel. Here’s the old link that I saved:
http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/CaseyAnthony/KeyPlayers/Witnesses.aspx
Scroll down to Chris Stutz (names are in alphabetical order).
Facts correct….wrong press! My apologies. Since Stutz has been on my mind for several months, I can tell you that everything I have read, I never came across anything that said when he discovered this bag of swim gear. My guess was that Baez knows more about this than Chris’ deposition publicly states! IMO of course…
how does it play into things that prosecuters want her trial for the check stealing within two months, interesting, has she plead? she’ll plead guilty right? no trial?
Couple ways, and no, she won’t plead guilty, I will address this in a piece later this week
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Brenda in VA; comment 58; This links to a listing of case records. On the far left column look down at the bottom 3rd for the jail visitations. The earliest one listed for Lee there, is July 25; is that the one you want?
http://www.wftv.com/news/17489435/detail.html
oh i get it, this susses out the ugly coping,she has to plead not guilty by ugly coping,to later use the ugly coping in the murder trial.
Blink, Just a quick question. How long can they legally “drag” this out until trial? How can the witnesses be expected to remember details after a substantial length of time? Even the O. J. Simpson trial, that had two victims, was held just a little over a year after the murder. If Casey does except a plea, when will this happen? I’m sorry, I know that turned out to be more than one quick question, but I am so fascinated by your ability……….I just want to keep asking you question, after question, after question. Thanks
Okay…my heads buzzing on a couple things.
1) RE: the shorts. IDK (my turn), Anyone else notice they do not use the wording “decomposition” regarding the deterioration of any other inanimate objects found except those shorts. “partially decomposed multi striped shorts”…..and then “the shorts have multiple irregular defects consistent with decomposition. They are also stained with dirt and slight vegetative material attached.” Why use this terminology only for the shorts??? Uhm….Blink maybe I’m getting warm as to your theory of July 3. It would be extremely incriminating however.
2) The toxicology mentions everything, including hair tested negative for volatiles. Then however they go on to mention further tests for drugs etc, and everything BUT the hair is mentioned. Also states in summary at the end they cannot rule drugs out. Tells me it’s not all back yet, but further report pending is not mentioned? I did see msm (ha) report hair was cleared of drugs, and thought hair went to the FBI, but don’t remember seeing anything reported back. What’s the deal with that?
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html
3) Finally, I don’t understand why LE would redact something from Stutz’s statement (or anyone else’s) if Baez gets it unredacted anyway?? What’s the point? IDGI?
?????? making my head spin. Okay…enough for one night. And B. TY for clearing up previous ?.
Point is the primary exclusion to the sunshine laws protect the right to a fair trial. Fairly sizable discretion.
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ps. Good observation on the shorts, also in contrast look at George’s behavior when they served the warrant 12/19. If your grandaughter was found dead, and you truly believed someone other than your kid was responsible, wouldnt you give them anything and everything to help prove that? I have the biggest fear that the example to our society this family is supposed to be will be lost on so many because of their hatred for them- that’s not fair to Caylee’s memory.
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