Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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Wendy I posted definition of holt it is a small piece of woodland a copse see http://www.google.com/dictionary. Search holt then scroll down to the bit about the woodland.
in response to comment #985 I’m trying to think like a 22 year old… (that was a LONG time ago)here is an “Urban” take on the word “HOLT”
http://holt.urbanup.com/4065066
what the heck, here is “BREAKING NECKS” and “SHOVEL” too! lol
http://breaking-necks.urbanup.com/4062754
http://shovel.urbanup.com/1503534
For the life of me , I can’t believe someone KC’s age could come up with such an elaborate plan. Much less pull it off – for 30 days!
My mind keeps telling me keep it simple.
OH! and one more thing… (sorry Blink I don’t have a link)
If we are to assume George didn’t see KC 6/16, and there was NO Fight on 6/15, are we left to believe that perhaps Cindy was actually the last person to have seen an alive caylee? *off to find a link
I too heard the word HOLT and find this whole scenario interesting. Has anyone put a timeline together then from the time of this phone conversation to the time DC went searching?
Has no one mentioned yet that we’ve passed 1,000?!!!
#988 More Q’s than A’s
Here is the link to the article at Scared Monkey’s with the map and Zenaida Gonzalez connection.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/
So strange that you brought that up, as I had been looking at that yesterday as well.
BLINK!! Oh OOPS bad me, did not see Suzee’s link above, please delete my post #1004 sorry for the extra work
#944-suz… Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m fairly certain that one of the reasons they want to move forward with the fraud trial is because INDEED you CAN show prior convictions, and/or show her to be a convicted felon at least. Imagine that there really are some people that haven’t heard much about this case, and they get chosen as jurors. They will look at her in a different light, if they are considering she is already a felon.
As for bail…. This is another point I could corrected on, but I don’t think I’m wrong about this either. No one is trying to bond her out because there is no bond. At one time, there was, but when the murder charge came about, and/or the death penalty possibility, the bond was no longer allowed. Even if I walked in there with a gazillion dollars, there are some people that cannot bonded out until they go on trial. Lots of things play into it, such as flight risk, severity of crime, etc. etc.
#995-julie…as best I can recall, Casey didn’t accuse George of anything, it was Lee she said had attempted some sort of sexual advance toward her. Which I guess makes the rest of that theory null and void? Only if that’s correct I mean, pretty sure it is though.
#993-Suzee, While I cannot deny that theory was not only well thought out, but so much deeper than I can personally think, (I’m more simple-minded ha) …. I’m POSITIVE, without a doubt she said Holt. So hmmmm. I just don’t know what to make of it.
Wendy, tks. for the info.! (I hope a real “prison” is close by!)
That information is VERY interesting ClockWatcher but I can’t help but wonder……. can Casey REALLY be that smart? I know that she has had alot of practice of being deceitful but it would really take a clever person to process the information as is being suggested and then coding it for Lee to understand. Are we giving her way too much credit here?
I think that another consideration of getting the check fraud case out of the way is the statute of limitations. Who knows how long the defense will try to drag this criminal case on, perhaps part of the goal was timing out the other charges?
To imabluereadhead. Baaaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa which led to a serious coughing fit. Urban tards right? Love it. Thanks for the laugh.
Wendy #1007, hopefully a legal beagle will chime in here, but I am nearly sure that under our system of justice, her status as a felon is not supposed to be mentioned. UNLESS of course she had committed murders in the past—I think it *might* be ok in that case, tho just because you commit one murder doesn’t mean you necessarily committed another.
In the meantime, found this Q&A on it in Yahoo (so not 100% reliable, obviously, but I agree with it so here it is..!)
Q. Can a defendants criminal record or previous crimes be used against them in a crimal trial?
When on trial in a criminal case can the defendants previous crimes or criminal record be used by the state/gov’t against you. If your on trial lets say for Murder and were convicted in the past for grand theft, can that conviction be used as evidence against you?
A. No, it cannot be used as evidence against you. The fact that you committed grand theft in your past is irrelevant to whether you committed murder in this instance. They only purpose it would serve would be to prejudice the jury. However, if you chose to testify, the prosecutor can ask if you have been convicted of a felony. But, they cannot go into what the felony was unless you lied and said “no”. Of course, if your previous conviction was for a murder that occurred in the same manner as the murder for which you were being tried, the prosecutor could make a motion to get that previous conviction in as evidence of Modus Operandi.
Yes, Kleat, this IS about Caylee’s murder and that on it’s own is waaaay more than enough!!! I have, however, run across theories that suggest nefarious going-ons even before Caylee’s murder. I was only wondering if you had any opinions or theories on that.
Personally, I say, NO. There’s nothing other than the tragic loss of a beautiful child and a country determined to hear her voice over and above the noise and distractions of the Defense.
Wendy, it does look like she was denied bail after the murder indictment, tho, so I reckon we can scratch that off the list of why they want to move ahead with the check fraud trial.
boo -I’m still laughing too
Found a link… funny how the word “holt” came up.
picture #63
Per KC “my brother the coolest guy i know”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-case-photos,0,2398805.photogallery
yup! simple minded, urban tard here!!!lol
seriously KC master-minded all of this, ALONE?
CA had to call SGT Allen to tell him herself KC’s not that smart.lol
Thank gosh we have CA to get us tards through this.
Hmm…WHO gave KC a “SCRIPT”? odd word to choose regarding a child abduction. I was handed instructions…. I was told to say…BUT
A script is “medical”, “how to take you medicine”
A script is “filled” by a patient.
A script is given to someone by a nurse! Freudian Slip MAYBE?
From day one? -I mean 30? (well someday in there)
I know “movie script” too, but KC wasn’t acting out a role on a stage.
it all rings too much like the movie “A Beautiful Mind”
hence “Bella Vita”? just creepy, Caylee could have ended up just a figment of people’s imagination. It might have even worked. What gives? Did the tow guy cause the sudden shift? Did someone panic for no reason?
Like KC said she got arrested on a “whim” otherwise it would have bees just another “normal day”?
Mariann – I don’t think that Casey is smart. I think she is a liar and the lies fall from her mouth without her really thinking them through and she just continues to pile lie on top of lie depending on the situation. She has been allowed to lie by and to her family while their response is to cover things up and pretend to believe her. Ex. her pregnancy. How could they all lie about that, deny the pregnancy, then 2 months later SURPRISE Casey has a little girl. She lies and her family swears her lies are truth. Even her friends didn’t confront her about her lies. She lied to all of them, old friends and new. I also think that her parents have always used Lee to get the truth out of her, and that is what happened in July before the authorities were involved. This time it did not work and that is why Cindy called the police. But as the half truths and lies unfolded they knew that she had done something to Caylee and after that it was all about saving Casey. I think at this point if she was smart she would say that Caylee accidently drowned and she was scared and hid her body and lied about her whereabouts.
JMHO. I don’t know that we will ever find out all of the truth from this bunch of liars.
Prior convictions are commonly used, particularly in criminal cases, for purposes of impeachment. Like many States, Florida has adopted the Federal Rules of Evidence. Pursuant to Rule 609(a) of the FRE, the court generally has discretion to admit a prior conviction for the purpose of impeachment of a witness, but MUST (per a Congressional amendment to the Rule) admit the prior conviction if the crime was one involving “dishonesty or false statement”. Check fraud would be a crime involving “dishonesty or false statement”.
The statute of limitations on the criminal fraud case stopped running when the warrant was issued, so that would not be the reason.
Has anyone done any follow-up research on Blink’s Zanny & Annie’s Excellent Adventure item in order to check out whether the VINs were noted on the citations???
Here is the Florida Statute:
90.610 Conviction of certain crimes as impeachment.–
(1) A party may attack the credibility of any witness, including an accused, by evidence that the witness has been convicted of a crime if the crime was punishable by death or imprisonment in excess of 1 year under the law under which the witness was convicted, or if the crime involved dishonesty or a false statement regardless of the punishment, with the following exceptions:
(a) Evidence of any such conviction is inadmissible in a civil trial if it is so remote in time as to have no bearing on the present character of the witness.
(b) Evidence of juvenile adjudications are inadmissible under this subsection.
(2) The pendency of an appeal or the granting of a pardon relating to such crime does not render evidence of the conviction from which the appeal was taken or for which the pardon was granted inadmissible. Evidence of the pendency of the appeal is admissible.
(3) Nothing in this section affects the admissibility of evidence under s. 90.404 or s. 90.608.
Personally, I don’t find the use of the check fraud conviction for impeachment purposes a persuasive reason for the prosecution to make this push. They certainly do not need any additional material to proffer to the court/the jury to show that Casey is “dishonest”.
There must be another reason… or reasons…
#1007…CASEY DID TELL JESSE AND TONY THAT GEORGE HAD DONE WHATEVER TOWARDS HER SEXUALLY AND THAT SHE TOLD HER MOTHER WHO NEVER BELIEVED HER…..not so much what she said…but if you listen to George FBI interviews it is what he said….add in a dash of Cindy always referring to HER 3 children and a pinch of Cindy telling Casey she was a loser and Caylee the best MISTAKE she ever made??????????Blend together with Casey calling Caylee THAT GIRL and a murder to top it off with……….and a father’s day balloon found at the crime scene….and a huge blowout fight on FATHER”S DAY…..
Here is the link to get all 3 parts of the autopsy report. Part 1 is the actual autopsy with maps..parts 2 & 3 are on the other stuff they found including the tape:
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/06/caylee-anthonys-autopsy-report.html
Everyone, please forgive me for being a complete imbecile and dunderhead, but can someone explain to me what Casey has actually been claiming? that a nanny had taken her child and was not giving her back and that she had to keep silence about it for her family’s safety? I just keep wondering if I am missing something because I simply cannot come up with any scenario where any of that would make the least bit of sense. It just seems like the bizarre thoughts of a non-functioning mind. How could anyone take any part of it seriously?
#994
It has been my experience that the only way you can get a pathological liar to come clean with the truth is prove to them you know the truth. I think the check charge trial is just that… a way to pressure on KC in her murder trial. When she is confronted with her best friends and boyfriend and grandmother testifiying they know she lied then maybe, just maybe,there will be a crack in the facade. It’s the only reason I can think to keep this check case going.
I had a pathological liar for a daughter and it was pure hell stopping her. I wouldn’t mind getting a crack at KC
#998 The map with the two adjacent lots ‘Zenaida’ and ‘Gonzalez’.
Do a search of the name links right on this site, I’ve seen it recently, the photo of the lots is there with descriptions in Blink’s article about that.
#1023 notalemming– interesting, I’ve noticed that Cindy used that technique when she visited her in jail and asked about photos of Zani’s apartment. In particular, the one with long red drapes and the drum, that Cindy told the FBI, that she’d ‘been told over and over and over’ again that was Zani’s apartment. (the same photo that was the subject of the Sgt. Allen telephone message left by Cindy).
In the jail video, Cindy ‘leads’ Casey to tell the truth about that photo by asking if it was taken in Zani’s apartment, and before Casey could answer, Cindy interjected ‘I know whose apartment it is’.
Then the wheels turn in Casey’s head– ‘that particular apartment, no, that’s Ricardo’s apartment… it’s set up a lot like Zani’s apartment’. (paraphrasing, but think it’s very close)
Hey Bees– yes, topped a grand and a bear of a page to load now, isn’t it! Your Q’s to me, I have to rely on reading others work on that, not really equipped to know anything about nefarious goings on before the murder. I will say that it seems hard to believe that George needed to come right out early to LE to tell them about the email scam as to why he and Cindy broke up. And the gambling idea came in there too with Casey apparently being upset with her dad about the gambling loss of money thing.
Seems to me (and I’m not in the field to know) that a daughter might be upset about that of course, but not to the point where her father would have to leave the household. I don’t think that was the reason that Casey and her dad ‘split’. Something more to it, I’d think, unless the money was to buy Casey a shamrock metallic green Boxter for her birthday that year and she didn’t get it because of the gambling.
#1007 Wendy If it is “HOLT” it means “small woods” That would fit.
Casey could have planned where she would place Caylee’s body well in advance. She knew the area, neighbors. She knew Surburban was a dead end dr. Also in the middle of June school is out. Cant be that much traffic on that road around then. If someone was seen dumping a garbage bag in the area it wouldn’t be unusual since it seems many people did it. She could have planned the “where” well in advance. She may have not planned the “when” or the “how” or if she would ever go through with it. But the girl had so many fantasies, why not fantasize about where to dispose of her daughters body. She learned very well that she could get away with lying and stealing for quite some time. No one really ever confronted her. She could come up with a lie at the drop of a hat. She had lots of practice.
I think it would be a mistake to underestimate Casey Anthony.
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yea and cindy needs to give amy back her money that she took out of casey’s wallet
Blink- is there any chance that you will be addressing this autopsy finding in relation to your 3D images?
page 19 of 36 PREMATURE SYNOSTOSIS http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf
here is an explanation for those of you that are interested.
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/craniosynostosis/DS00959.html
Initailly I glossed over this finding, as typically it is not a big deal. BUT this is not a typical situation- could this be what the Anthony’s didn’t want us to know? During my years as a pediatric nurse this was something that was taken care of (operated on) within the first 12-15 months of life. This is why the child’s head circumference is measured at EVERY well child check.
jus wunderin : )
Not a bad idea……Cindy and George should read your post 1023.
So true Bluewillow…..Casey killed her daughter and thats the senario that fits the facts.
MEANT TO LEAVE THIS LINK FOR EVERYONE. A COLLECTION OF TRANSSCRIPTS, CASEY PHOTOS, HOUSE PHOTOS, WHO WHO IN THIS CASE, TIMELINE INDEX
It is not completely up to date but there is a ton here. I thought it would help
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm
#997-Comment by boo
I never thought about the fake ID- that would make sense proving dishonesty via the court vs other than other peoples testimonies. Then the issue of Casey protraying herself as ZFG would already be astablished.
In order for the fraud case to be admissible, would it have to be determined what came first, 1)the fraud or 2)the murder?
or just which trial came first? UHGG that makes my head hurt..
Sorry, ignore that last part – its like saying which came first the chicken or the egg. silverspnr I will not comment on trial issues anymore!
idk Miss Mariann about how clever she is or isn’t. For days I’ve been re-reading statements and watching old video of the first few weeks of Caylee’s “disappearance.” Other than Mr. Grund (Jesse’s dad) I haven’t found any one who heard the entire Zenaida name, until Casey was questioned by authorities. (I believe Mr. Grund was mistaken in his memory and influenced by media report’s) Until the 911 call, others only heard the Zanny name or nanny.
In the weeks following the dumping of Caylee’s body, she could have cruised the Orange County Property Appraiser’s web site to see if there were any records of sale for the vacant lot or checked to make sure that the lot was still safe as a dump site. She may have noticed the names of the neighboring owners and they were conveniently worked into her naming needs.
Also, one of the primary plants that grows in wet swampy area’s here in Florida is called Sawgrass. That is what most of the Everglades is composed of…the Sea of Grass, Sawgrass.
Just another one of those weird connection kinda things.
B,
I read the article above a few times. My question is where did the picture of the stuffed animals, the doll and only the legs of the Barbi doll establish?
It seems rather odd to me that all of their faces are faced down (as in not to show their faces). Maybe just a fluke. idk
Perhaps the reason for having the check fraud trial before the murder trial would be for sentencing purposes. Of course if Casey is found guilty of murder 1, and the death penalty is imposed, the check fraud sentencing is not important. But if she takes a plea, or is found guilty of a lesser crime in her murder trial, then the judge can impose a greater sentence for the murder charge if she also has a felony conviction. He could get the two crimes to run consecutively so when one sentence runs out, the next one starts. Another way to run the sentencing is to run them concurrently, and then she would do both sentences at the same time and would finish her time behind bars faster. The judge could give her the max or close to it with another felony conviction. I think the prosecution is going to want the max if she doesn’t get the DP.
THE id LISTEN TO THE START OF LEE’S POLICE INTERVIEW PART 4. The Police took an older style ID away from the stuff he brought from Tony Lazzaro’s of hers.
Sue, Casey has no criminal history, the family never pressed charges. That will change if she is tried and found guilty for acts before the death of the child. Casey should want her day in court for these fraud charges because all the stealing, drinking, smoking, tattooing, partying, lying, deceiving, Target-ing, was because the ‘nanny person’ told her to do all this– she was not in control, that person was. Maybe the best defense will be signing her own name on a cheque as they can then argue that this was actually an outcry, right on camera.
Problem is that guilt or innocence will be determined by a much lower standard than required of her murder trial. But they have to address these crimes in the criminal trial anyway– and juries are not stupid.
….recall the famous call home from jail…..she was really desperate to reach Tony really desperate.When she was indicted for the murder and brought in she gave them her old ID and commented how OLD it was with her hair really short ect. it sounded like it was not valid even?
Post #998 — Here’s the article you are looking for, sorry it was on ScaredMonkeys.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/
Note– ‘home’ used in the quote of Casey’s call from jail, not Holt (H.O.L.T.)
We need to get Blink to weigh in on this one——— A ‘T’ or not a ‘T’, that is our question!
Sorry guys, I hear home.
B
To imablueredhead. Yes I think casey is clever she,is very cunning and I still believe she left all these clues the bag the car etc just for her family and her family alone to find. When the grandma tard finally called 911 you can tell when casey got on the phone she didn’t care that the police got contacted. That girl has been numb for a very long time and bored. In her own way she confessed to le and her family. She simply does not care. Imo its her immediate family who are the real urban holts in this case.
#1040 Julie, your right IMO about Casey’s ID sounds like she has used fake ids for awhile now. Also I wanted to ask where your info is on Casey saying George gave her a touch up? I just went through the Jesse Grund transcript and he only mentioned Lee molesting her. Also while I’m at it I still reckon George was the one who gave Casey the idea of where to get rid of Caylee’s body in the end.Being in LE he would know of the places where bodies are more prone to decompose quicker. Dunno just a thought.
To imablueredhead. I do feel the facts uncovered in this case lead to ‘simple” in her jh visit with lee casey describes caylee as the star of the family the best of all of them. So her motive was revenge, to kill what was best of the anthonys. That’s her message to them she left them clues and when they saw the truth and chose to cover the death of baby caylee she was able to sit and watch them expose themselves. Show them to be the evil cowards that they are.
Regarding the HOLT audio. I will give credit where it is due, by leaving the original link posted by silverspnr. This is NOT a face to face jail conversation, not to my knowledge, albeit I could be mistaken, and don’t mind saying so if it turns out I’m wrong. However, please put on your headphones, turn them up, no other noise in the house except for the audio recording, and then about halfway through, or a little more than half (closer toward the end) please listen and tell me what you think at that point. I’ll be a monkey’s uncle if anyone hears home vs. Holt. Let me know what y’all think afterward. Thanks in advance if you take the time to listen.
I will now go listen to the face to face jail interview link, and see what I hear, but until that point, the (audio only) recording that I heard, clearly says Holt. I don’t mean to be argumentative or be redundant, however, no matter the amount of times I listen, I hear Holt, not a doubt in mind at this point. Love to hear your opinions after listening. Thanks,
Oh DUHHHHH, here is the link btw. http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_jail_call_two.mp3
boo- I digress the girl is cunning. I was raised by a “Cindy” of sorts… I was beyond sheltered *not abused in the true sense of the word. I did whatever my mom told me to and NEVER questioned her. I’d go on but upon hearing my story you might never stop laughing and you would be missed by everyone here so, my lips are sealed!!!
Don’t get me wrong I am no KC! quite the opposite in fact. Here is where I am puzzled. How can one person be that highly intelligent to devise such a scheme AND be stupid enough to leave her poor baby that close to home? Must have worked! it did take LE (a city emplyee) 1 month,& only 5 for LE to find her AFTER being escorted.
After hearing CA say “I gave you 30 days” I really thought CA had been the mastermind and KC the guinea pig.
OK! I get it KC is brilliant and lacks simple common sense.
NOW, if I can just figure out what was found on July 3.
*Blink- is it safe to say that this was IN THE BACKYARD and not tucked away in the house? AND could it have been found by say a pet?
Backyard, and kept from George, whomever found it, imo
B
I think if George had given casey ideas on how to dispose of a body, it would be more likely he would have suggested feeding her to the alligators. There is nothing smart about ditching the body in the woods close to home, she lucked out is all with that one, in my opinion. I tend to believe that when the body started to decompose and smell she realized she needed to dump it and she panicked and took it to the woods. From the way she was with her pregnancy, just deny and deny being pregnant with no thought to the fact a baby would be born in 2 months, and stealing money from her best friend, writing the cheque to herself, and signing her own name and drivers license info, she wasnt thinking ahead to how she would explain this to her good friend. I am sure her story now is that she had to have money to have money to look for her kidnapped daughter.
Wonder why she was using old ID, her current ID was left in her car, but why did she take the old vs the new, when she left the vehicle. George mentions that in one of his interviews. I really dont buy George being any part of a cover up in the beginning, I think he wanted the truth in the beginning but as more and more evidence pointed to his daughter, I think he realized that he would lose casey as well as caylee and probably cindy and lee too , if he didnt support casey. I find it a stretch to even think cindy or lee knew the truth about caylee at the start but I know many disagree. So many questions but doubt we will ever hear the truth.
To imablueredhead. Btw your definition of holt just became my new word I. E my bf’s a holt my boss is a holt teehee chuckle seriously tho I have been trying to decode casey for a year plus. She’s a gamer! Likes playing cat and mouse with people, the closest I ever got to caylee location early on was that she was near a place where kids play. I’m still working on the 30 days bit.
To imablueredhead. Oh and my read on lee is he is just the same as casey but functional. He and casey are the closest in the family but there is something about those two, its creepy and oogey, I’m thinking blackmail is a big factor in this I just sense casey has lee by the “nards”. I’ll bet lee was cindy’s favorite.
#1043- Jesse said it either on Geraldo or perhaps Dr.Phil… when he was interviewed..once..I will try to find exactly where.