Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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I’ve never posted here before, although I do read on here alot. I just wanted to kinda chime in about some things…
1. A deceased 2 1/2 year old is extremely heavy. I know this because my 2 1/2 year old passed away 11 years ago and we held her for a long time in the hospital afterwards. Whenever other family would hold her it would take 2 of us to hand her to them. Casey is about my size, and let me tell you, my child was so very heavy. So if you put that knowledge in with these particular circumstances, I can’t see Casey jumping over a fence or even tossing over a fence. I CAN see her struggling to place the baby in the trunk. I CAN see those bags tearing, because to lift over the trunk latch…and that would be the explanation for the paper towels. And that would explain the MULTIPLE bags used. IMO.
2. The “O” thing…okay the only way I know how to put this is something to this effect…the jaw does “flop”. It was disturbing to me when the nurses gave me my daughter to hold after the fact…I held her mouth closed (very gently mind you) so I would not see that or hear the sounds the tongue makes…it is still a vivid memory even to this day. So maybe that is the reason for the duct tape. I know that rigor can be “held” off with heat, to a degree. They had my child under heating lamps for awhile…I think they pronounced her at 7pm and I didn’t let the funeral home take her until 1am. Because of the heat lamps it allowed for the muscles to stay relaxed. I asked about it. I kid you not, I did…the thought of my child going stiff was more than I could handle at the time and that was the reason they left the heat lamps on. So yea, she could have put the tape on there several hours AFTER the moment of death but BEFORE the rigor set it. I also don’t remember her having any particular smell….but I didn’t trapse around town with my child in the trunk of my car either.
I have no empathy for Casey Anthony. None. She took her child’s life, and there are so many of us out there who’ve had to experience that through no fault of our own….and there are plenty of families who would have willingly taken that baby and given her a home!
Ma’am, my heart breaks for the loss you suffered. I lost my niece 5 years ago and I can tell you from experience I learned something about myself I did not realize. I was there, and until a poster reminded me about the “o” effect, I had completely blocked out almost everything about the way she looked when she passed. As ridiculous as it sounds today, given the vicious toll her cancer and treatment took on her appearance, in retrospect, the way her mouth “mutatated” instantly was the most horrific. If I try to transfer just the experience of that visual to a nutjob that just killed her baby, I have to say I can totally see her applying that duct tape to “fix her”, to mask that death took her.
B
Denise- It was very noble of you to refer the parents of Christine Sheddy/missing persons case in Pocamoke, MD to Blink, for help with gaining public attention and assistance with the case. We’re all obliged to spread the word and help in any way we can. Thank you Denise, for stepping up and taking initiative to get help to the Sheddy family. You are a true advocate and a great American.
Absolutely, I agree, and just to acknowledge there is another woman by the name of Chris who is tireless in her efforts to asisst Lyn, Christine’s Mom seek justice for her daughter.
Dang it, Maybe? the ladders were planted there?
That is my opinion, that the ladders were set up the day she buried her under the playhouse. I truly am wondering if she did not find out George was changing jobs and they were both going to be off for a week and she did some howework to find out that Caylee would not be decomposed enough by then and she would not be able to get away with it. Or she had simply avoided the inevitable and found out about the yardwork plans. I know I sound like a broken record, but they found something on 7/3, of that I am positive. I had a conversation with a colleague yesterday and in the middle of it I said- Wouldnt it be wonderful if these people would just tell the truth so we can honor this little girl’s memory instead of spending all our time making sure her family does not get away with this? This little girl is all of our daughter we could not protect in life, that we avenge now.
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I have a couple comments and questions.
1. I have always wondered if she drowned accidentally and Casey freaked and called her parents. If I remember correctly there was a flutter of calls made on this day. Then maybe she got angry that her parents didnt answer their phones and took matters into her own hands. She put the tape on and made it look like a kidnapping. A part of me feels this is what happened but then I also feel she wanted to be free and she feared her boyfriend was going to dump her because he did not want a kid….so she murdered her.
2. I do recall Leonard Padilla saying she was over heard saying “they haven’t even found her clothes yet”.
3. There is something else I have wondered for some time now. WHen Casey called 911 because of the protestors outside the home she mentions the home has a surveillance camera. She tells the 911 operator that the media is catching it on video ….as well as their home surveillance camera. Now I have always wondered if that surveillance camera really exists and if so…was it installed due to the protestors? or have they always had home surveillance? It really interests me because I have a surveillance camera pointed at my pool. This may sound way out there but could grandparents have caught her? and were trying to get her to tell them where the body was?
4. Leonard Padilla mentioned that GA told a friend he was tired of the lie he was living and that GA charged at Casey demanding to know where his grand daughter was. I feel that they knew she was gone and were trying to find her body behind the scenes. Correct me if I am wrong but I dont see them on television asking for help locating Zanny.
OCSO supplied those cameras if you can believe it, it was cheaper than stationing a cop there 24/7 and they did need a deterrent. Leonard is telling the truth. I think the evening before the Grand Jury was the last time anyone had an opportunity to talk some sense into George telling the truth. The next day, he was alone again with Cindy, ’nuff said.
B
Just to clarify, the t-shirt said “Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages.” Item Q99 on page 3744 of discovery comprises the word strips “packages” and “in.” Further, footnote 1 on page 5 of OSCO’s Supplemental Report (page 3378 of discovery) says the word “packages” was found where the bags were recovered.
this thought just popped in my head- maybe KC killed Caylee in a rage after the fight with Cindy and then came back to the house and staged the ladder of the pool being down so that if she got caught later, she could say she drowned and she panicked at the thought of cindy thinking she was a bad mom (and the neverending wrath)? it doesn’t explain the duct tape though.. so many what ifs… my head is spinning! It’s ok if you don’t post this Blink I just was throwing it out there.
Thanks for all you do!
Yep, I think she will try.
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Sorry blink I have been trying to read as much as is available I’m clearly no super sleuth like you all but God loves a trier. I was referring to Pam’s disclosure about Chris Stutz having Caylee’s swim wear which you said you were saving. I suppose I was being cheeky and asking for a bit more, anyways apols will stick to reading from now on.
Not at all, just wanted to be honest, and not just with you, so if I dont respond to a comment folks know why and arent left hanging. There are alot of generous readers on here usually willing to fill in the blanks though.
B
BTW I am in the UK so not really typing this at 5.25 a.m. :0)
Blink….Awesome job. People like me….need you to help keep it straight.
Interesting about the shorts. I have been thinking lately about the comment the guy “Chris” made about seeing KC jogging along chickasaw on July 15th. He texted her and asked if it were her and she said no. Could it have been her and she went back there? I know she was trying to avoid her parents seeing her so that is another problem with the theory.
I do believe it was her. I also believe Cindy and George are full of caca that they did not know her car had been impounded until that day.
B
If I remember correctly, didn’t the defense file something that said KC “may” have accidentally given the baby something that caused her death?
or to that effect…..and…how exactly can she blame her parents for murder (as mentioned a possible defense)when her story all along is that the “nanny” took her…
Blink you rock
TY, she can say anything she wants in her defense, thats what I think people are having a hard time with, doesnt mean it will work and I dont think it will
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George used that Amscot, there was a reference to it by one of the LE interviews, someone ran into George there, and they had a chat, or he gave George a ride home. George might have used the Amscot during the time the car was there if he had a paycheque to cash at the end of June (Friday 27th), surely he would notice the car.
BTW, Google Maps ‘Street View’ is useful– can see exactly what motorists see driving past that Amscot, the Casey ‘parking place’ visible beside the dumpster, not hidden in behind somewhere).
Kleat I am shocked at no link for you (lol). You read that here. Keith Williams interview.
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Blink, I took the pre-decomp tape placement to mean within minutes of death or prior to. Are you in contact with the Dr. G? Would you be able to ask her to clarify that finding?
Indirectly yes, I am. But no, she would not be able to answer any ex parte communication on the finding. I have posted on this before, I am familiar with her work, and in my opinion if it were that tight of a window, she would have presented assumptions or possibilities. If you review Dr. Hall, he states pre decomp and before hair matted underneath the skull, therefore I am speculating their is no evidence to make that leap except whatever corroberators should be there that aren’t.
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Thx. Annals…I’m pretty sure that is it, but since it’s video/not transcript, will have to watch during lunch…at work and doing a risk assessment on a new customer’s system. It’s pretty bad and needs full attention, you know how it is….work does get in the way of fun ;>)
Would the defense have something that Casey ‘collected’ at Stutz’s place, she could have used the bathroom, got into his room and found something to plant, then the bag of pool stuff. The comment by Casey ‘they haven’t even found her clothes yet’ is really strange. She didn’t give clothes to the Nanny, and if so, why would she say something that tells how she knows ‘ that there were ‘clothes to be found’ separate from the child unless she knows where clothes are, separate from the child.
Could Casey have planted another bag of clothes with someone or was she talking about the ‘pool stuff’ left with Stutz? (if LE redacted Stutz’s interview because he was suspect as per Casey, then there might be another Casey suspect with interviews that were not released at all, like some of Jesse’s interviews and maybe another planted bag of clothes that she is referring to). Where do the cell phone pings put Casey at 9-9:30 on July 15th– I better try to find that unless someone knows off hand.
I have a theory I think the laundry bag came from someone’s house she was thinking about framing by then, hint hint.
It does NOT match the one at the A’s, and LE did not take any others.
B
oh oh… got caught on the no link thing from Blink!! Darned if I can remember– should be keeping a file binder!! (and now I have to go look– OOPS too late, THANKS blink!! You are too kind!! I did remember something about them praying while driving George home. Keith Williams…. Keith Williams… I will try to remember that and re-read).
I CAN, however, give you a Google Map ‘street view’ link fwiw!!!
(ok, no one ask me to post it… j/k)
Well, thanks Blink. I guess she wouldn’t be able to discuss this with anyone not sanctioned by the court, would she? Because of the impending capital murder trial.
BTW, what is your opinion of the prosecutor’s decision to seek the death penalty? Please address the opinions expressed here & elsewhere that this was done to force a plea. Would a prosecutor resort to this kind of tactic without having the evidence to prove their case? I suspect there is much more evidence than contained in the autopsy and other reports that have already been released.
HMMM>>>>>>> for anyone who is keeping up with the posts and the additions to posts, I suspect that Blink just let a BIG clue drop!!!!!
And now, who bought that laundry bag, and from where, Target? And when, and on whose ‘credit card’……. I wondered if Casey had bought a third laundry bag, one to replace the Anthony home laundry bag she ‘used’. But now, maybe she bought one for Caylee’s clothes… if a child was with a nanny, it would make sense to have a laundry bag for the clothes she’d use while with the nanny.
Pointing the finger at someone, planting evidence shows premeditation, trying to get someone else involved, implies guilt of something other than an accident.
Not if it was taken or purchased after the fact
B
Blink, so we are straight– the laundry bag we are talking about as possibly containing ‘clothes’, is the one from someone else’s house? Who would have a fancy laundry bag like that– not likely a ‘student’ or a military guy, they’d have a pillow case or duffle bag. It would be from someone with a ‘home’, like Stutz’s parents, or … someone Casey might have bought a laundry bag for in the past who she wanted to make a home with, like Jesse.
Or are you saying that the laundry bag style (‘can’ crushable style) as pictured as the one used to swaddle the baby, did not come at all from the Anthony home?…. that’s a ‘bombshell’ (oops, sorry… that’s someone else’s term!! and I don’t want you to start calling each and every poster here, ‘DEAR’– gawd forbid!)
B-
I agree with some of the others posts that Caylee was not wearing the shorts. Probably just the swimming pull ups. If Casey had grabbed some clothing on her way out after arguing with Cindy she probably never put the shorts back on Caylee. And as far as them being in better condition; if they were put in the plastic bag along with Caylee’s other belongings (probably everything that belonged to Caylee that was in the trunk) then they may have remained within the plastic bags longer and had less exposure to the elements. I really do not see Casey going back to the swamp where she left Caylee , “Out of site out of mind”
Casey was to busy believing and living the nanny lie.
BTW- I will not waiver on the D/P for Casey. I am amazed by so many here that seem to be, I hope that this isn’t an example of things to come with a jury.
I dont think I saw anyone waivering. I think this girl and her imbecile parents are going to march her right onto death row with their arrogance. Couldnt happen to a nicer girl
B
Oh… Stutz said Casey told her in May, she couldn’t get her car to start…. but the interviewer does not ask if Stutz went to help see if he could look under the hood to help her… maybe get in and try to start it first… put fingerprints on places… inside and out. Hmm… guys do that for girls… when they hint their car isn’t running right. At least it would be an obvious question for LE to ask as Casey was always telling people her car needed work done on it, wasn’t starting, wasn’t indicating gas levels properly, brakes are worn, tires going flat.
(him… sorry, told ‘him’)
Brenda in VA; #113. You’re welcome and now that I think about it, that would be the 1st visit Lee made in jail. The 1st person to visit casey was Patrick Bourgais – July 24 (the random guy from Casey’s highschool who she did not remember knowing). So the visits from Lee and C & G on the 25th would be the 1st family visits.
Lee is so earnest and careful and trying to be precise in that 1st visit. He had already done a lot of info tracking by the 25th. Looking at part 1 last night, it seemed to me that at moments Casey looked overwhelmed by Lee’s questions and need to know; whereas her intensions were to keep things vague.
Yes, but your forgetting the first 2 SCHEDULED visits that did not take place ..
MMMMUUUHHHAAA
B
Phew! Blink, the laundry bag was from somewhere other than the Anthony home? Either taken from the Stutz home or Casey purchased an exact replica of theirs after Caylee was dead. My God, no wonder the prosecutor filed for the death penalty. Why would Casey concoct “the nanny took her” story or plant “red herrings” like the laundry bag if she was only guilty of the negligent, accidental death of Caylee?
These acts demonstrate consciousness of wrongdoing; i.e., she intentionally murdered Caylee. Everything she’s said or done since committing this horrific crime has been done to protect herself from prosecution and direct blame elsewhere. And she did a very bad job of it. She is not only a murderer, she’s an imbecile.
Her parents’ (George & Cindy) behavior has been atrocious and appallingly lacking in a search for justice for the victim. I think they’ve simply lost their way and descended into madness. I hope they recover from some of this before the trial.
The grieving period lasts 2 to 3 years before some sense of normalcy returns after the sudden death of a loved one. I am not sure this applies when that loved one is an innocent, adored toddler killed by another loved one. But hopefully, by the time the trial starts, George & Cindy Anthony will have come to grips with what’s happened enough to think rationally and clearly.
My hope is that they will realize that they have a duty to seek justice for Caylee and Casey be damned. Right now, they are still processing all this and are in so much pain that they’re not making any sense. They’re mad at the world. It will pass when they accept the truth. I hope it comes in time for them to help get justice for Caylee.
Back in January there was a statement on WESH saying that a source close to the investigation said this about Lee; We kind of treat him seperately. He knows what he has done.
I found the Scared Monkeys article on this and don’t know how seriously to take it since it is 2nd hand info. However, in the comments on the SM piece, Blink states; July 3, mark my words.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/26/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done-in-the-casey-of-caylee-anthony/#comments
Blink, that seemed so cryptic to me at the time, and I had forgotten it until I saw it again, just now.
Geez, see what I mean about people missing nothing around here. My thoughts on that go back to the second I saw Jesse Grunds phone records (I think his were released first) and the shower BS and the if my parents call you, blah blah. They knew or were scared to “know” then. The Zeinda story was born that day. They just did not actually believe her until they smelled the car.
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Blink — the laundry bag does match in that it is the same type and manufacturer as the rectangular bags at the A’s. Anthony Lazaro stated he doesn’t remember any laundry bags, so it most likely did not come from his house. JG? Could very well be, although we haven’t seen any testimony from Jesse about anything being taken from his apartment. Is it too much to hope for that receipts show this bag was purchased by Casey after June 15th?!?!
Blink, If there is something I can do about the Pocomoke case, let me know. It’s just down the road a piece, as we say around here. Also, I performed the wedding ceremony of one of the lead officers.
Sister, I may call on you after I get a chance to get a full file on it. I appreciate the offer.
B
blink: is there a reason why Casey can’t simply plead to the check charges and avoid the testimony in that trial? Did she buy something on the checks or credit cards that she doesn’t want to come out and admit to? Also, with this extra bag of clothes stuff, I am reminded of the clothes etc Keith Williams found. Were those also in a laundry bag inside a black plastic bag? More questions: but I bet if I wait patiently they will be answered.
Blink – I have never posted here – really don’t post very much. I just wanted to say thank you for all the great insight and information. This is the best site I have seen on this subject. Very informative. I strongly agree that this girl and her imbecile parents will get her what she so deserves, riding on their arrogance. What a sad, sad story…
Thank you and I hope to post again.
Welcome and thank you
B
I agree with #90. I think Caylee drowned by accident while Casey was supposed to be watching her but wasn’t paying attention to her. I think when Casey found Caylee she freaked and that’s when she made all those outgoing calls in a row to Cindy and George to ask them what to do. When they didn’t answer I think she had a chance to realize how Cindy would hold this over her head and tell her every day for the rest of her life what a terrible mother she was so that’s when Casey decided to duct tape the mouth so she could use the Nanny kidnapping story. Most likely hid the body in the yard somewhere for a couple of days (that’s why the dogs hit there) and then moved the body after she came up with a plan (like the day the neighbor saw her back her car into the drive way up to the garage)
Next chance, I’m going to go through the potential Casey-suspect-set up timelines to see who else she visited and when. Jesse and the early morning ‘shower’ request of course, the Casey visit to Stutz at his home for a couple hours on 16th, or 17th or 18th of June (hope he could narrow that better for LE), and who else could she have nabbed a laundry bag from. Of course, Amy, Tony… who else did she get near enough to her car, who did she call from jail, who don’t we know, that she texted, emailed or called from some family or friend supplied cell phone or other device.
Need to figure out how exactly the pool-duds ended up with Stutz and when– ‘assume’ this was from some past visit with Caylee otherwise, how would they get left there with him– had to be a story for that, without Caylee, to explain why they were there, unless they were planted by Casey on her mid-June visit to be found by Stutz later, and have him think it was from a past Caylee swim visit. So he’d probably handle the swim duds by looking in the bag or putting them in a bag, and then he’d take the swim things back to Cindy, right into the hands of the devil plan.
If this has been asked and answered before, please don’t flog me, Blink….. But do you think/know if le, attorneys and/or the A’s ever visit your site? Do you think LE views it has a helpful tool? Attorneys? My bf, who is an attorney, said he wished he had a resource like this when it came to some of his trials…..
LOL, no flogging for you!! Yes, every one of them reads here. As a matter of fact, as an example, when the first Keith Williams interview was posted, within one hour he received a call from Craig Rivera, and then George Anthony and Jose Baez. I swear that is NO exaggeration. There’s more, but lets leave it at that for now.
B
kyrasmommy, remember how freaking SMUG Scott Peterson was? They did have alot of circumstantial evidence but NOTHING like the treasure trove they have on Casey. I think she’s getting DP. Even if I’m wrong, I cannot fathom less than life in prison. Either suits me.
Blink: Forgive me if I am asking a dumb question, but I have followed this case from day one and have been reading your post since you starting reporting on Caylee. I have been able to follow most of everything you have stated, but there is ONE thing I am not getting. The “July 3rd, mark my words” in comment 125 above. What does that date have to do with Lee Anthony being treated different because he knows what he has done? Am I missing something here?
Blink, you’ve heard of KISS? Keep it simple stupid.
Casey killed Caylee by whatever means to live the “Bella Vita” with her new lover, Tony. Even if she’d surrendered custody of Caylee to her parents, she’d have never been able to keep Tony. Tony didn’t want her ready-made family. But he probably wouldn’t have taken Casey the mother away from her child, either.
The only way Casey could have Tony was for there to be no more Caylee.
KISS — This whole atrocious crime is about Casey wanting Tony.
And as a bonus, Casey got to inflict maximum pain and suffering on her beleaguered parents.
dddeerma…Casey can plead guilty on that all day long and avoid speaking about stealing her “friend’s” checks, but if LE is going to use this evidence at the murder 1 trial, makes no difference, That stuff will be coming out. So glad she cannot get away from what she’s done on that note.
annals…I do remember them saying Lee knew what he did. You and the other posters sure bring alot back to mind from the early days of the investigation. I followed like a hawk and then backed off for a time..the I found BLINK and the most amazing posters on any site I’ve surfed…not making that up! Hooked all over again :>)
Hi Blink,
This is my first time posting and I must say I am completely captivated by the information shared here. I have been following this tragic case since its inception (even tho I live in Arizona), and found information here that I was unaware of. Yes, I believe poor Caylee was murdered by her psycho, narcissistic mother, but definitely think it was in a fit of rage to ‘get even’ w/her mother after the argument they had. If Lee is correct when he stated that Cindy tried to choke Casey, that would have put Casey over the edge, causing her to retaliate in the most horrific way. If she were overtaken by “narcissistic rage”, she would have been able to commit murder w/o giving it a second thought. I believe that Cindy recognizes (and feels guilt) over the fact that her actions during that argument, is what prompted Casey to kill Caylee. The guilt is what is causing her whacky behavior trying to cover up for Casey. As for the shorts being discussed…I recall GA stating that the last time he saw Caylee, she was wearing the shirt with the letters and striped shorts. I cannot recall who was interviewing him at the time. Also, he stated that he made breakfast for Caylee on 6/16 and that was the last time he saw her. Then Leonard P. stated on NG that G was lying, bc the last time he actually saw her was the night before, since that was when the argument w/Cindy took place, and Casey (with Caylee) stormed out of the house. Quite frankly, I cannot imagine going back to the ‘dump’ site to leave a pair of shorts or anything else. After committing such a heinous act while in a rage is one thing, but after the rage has passed, it is inconceivable to me that the rational mind could deal with the realization of the act by going back to face the deed. This seems especially true since everyone has agreed that Casey always seemed like a good mother. On the flip side of that theory, is the seemingly premeditated thought of murder, by her computer searches for neck-breaking, chloroform, etc. That was long before the argument with Cindy. If, indeed, this was premeditated, I have also wonder if the video we have repeatedly seen of C playing in the living area with Caylee bouncing on her knees (which was filmed in May), could have been purposely staged/taped to show what a wonderful mother she was, and how much she enjoyed her child. Of course, the purpose would have been to cast doubt on any possibility of her ability to hurt her beloved child, should she go through with her plan to kill her and be a person of interest. Keep up the good work Blink, and I will now be an avid follower ;0). Thanks for all the work you do.
Sandy
Scottsdale, AZ
Whoa, Cutie, thank you for your kind words, but all I did was ask Blink to look into it if she had time. Does not make me a great American, but I appreciate you saying so. I was just appalled that I live in Glen Burnie and this case is not far and I had heard NOTHING! Made me sick! I have a bit of a unrealistic fear of my child going missing. I’m a little obsessed about it, so when I hear a story like this and no one knows about it, I just think, how can that be? This poor mother! I’m glad Lynn has a team working with her, I hope she gets answers and soon.
On the Caylee/Casey case, I just have to ask if anyone remembers Jesse saying that he felt that Casey was going to try and frame him when she showed up to use the shower or bathroom or whatever it was? I wonder also if that laundry bag came from any other house but the A’s, would that person see it, notice it was gone and come forward? That would be amazing.
Thanks,
D
#49 OK ,if you think that(i did), dont you think cindy would’ve thought that,and george ,and lee,and police(yuri and ja did),and baez,and state.why would the state let a common pool accident,(and a scared overly creative lying mom) rise to this level (especially when they put the death penalty back on after the found the swimmies)it would have been resolved a long time ago (casey and the a’s may be imbeciles,but the fbi is in on this,i dont think they’d let fl. make them look like inept.) http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony . re read this interview george doesnt think it was an accident(her own father).do you think the police really couldntve figured that out.(that she was lying about an accident )am i over reading into this interview ? july 24th george doesnt come up with accident the police do.george comes up with murder
i meant that to be in response to #130 not #49
Just wanted to say how bad-ass you are, Blink. Thank you (and the other contributing posters) for everything you do. My husband thinks I’m obsessed with this case, and I guess I am. I just hope that Casey is punished for all this, and everyone else who contributed to covering up / lying about poor Caylee.
Rock on, sister.
Now that’s a first. TY
B
Denise, I live in the Baltimore area too. I never heard of that case either, until today. I’ll have to look more into the news archives, but I honestly don’t remember anything being reported on it. Strange.
Blink, I just realized with that KISS phrase, I may have given you the impression I was calling you stupid. I was NOT, NOT, NOT!!! Please forgive me! It’s just a saying in business.
O not at all, I am familiar with Og Mandino, np
B
Blink my first time posting but have been reading for months. I like how this site is just the right mix of solid information (lots of it unique and not reported by MSM) and smart speculation without the usual name calling of the victims and/or suspects. Your access to information and ability to see it in ways I would never have thought of keep me coming back here again and again. Thanks for keepin’ it classy. One question I have is, if the Anthony’s found something on the 3rd which was a ‘game-changer’ – do you think Lee is in on it? I just cannot figure him out. At first he seemed to genuinely want to find justice for his niece and then after the bizarre behavior at Caylee’s service I am just confused. I’m confused about George for exactly the same kinds of reasons. Does Cindy have THAT much influence on everybody in that family? Does that make her the real sick one in this whole circus? Thx
Yes and Yes
B
Hi Blink, You mention July 3rd was when the Anthony’s found “something” in their back yard to place panic, I also think that too. I believe by what I have read, that was also the day Lee Anthony went looking for Casey Anthony at some bar&grill when KC actually got a heads up and took off before Lee got there. It was also the day that Cindy Anthony wrote on My space about “My Caylee is Missing”. I really believe Cindy called Lee very upset and told Lee about their “findings” in the yard because it was the “only” that I can remember reading about, that someone from the Anthony family actually physically went looking for KC and Caylee. Blink, I just find it so amazing how considering the small patch of location that KC actually frequented in Orlando that not one of the Ant’s ever came in contact with her during those infamous 31 days. I cannot seem to find the court hearing of Cindy Anthony talking about hearing KC and Caylee behind a closed door on the morning of June 16th but I wish someone at the hearing had asked Cindy if she had tucked Caylee in the night before on June 15th, since Cindy claims nothing out of the ordinary happened that night(which I don’t believe, but actually a huge fight took place) but actually very little is mentioned on that date. IMO, Cindy Anthony is guilt ridden about that fight, but obviously not enough to fight for Caylee’s justice.
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!
I don’t have a concrete theory myself but just wanted to put a few thoughts out there. I have believed from the start that Casey would try to somehow point the finger at one or both of her parents. One main reason I feel this way is because IMHO Caylee was murdered because of Casey’s hatred for them. I think it was more this hatred than the ‘work’ of taking care of her, etc. Casey was already doing pretty much what she wanted to do. Also, I believe that it’s Casey that doesn’t want her parents to visit…don’t believe it has anything to do with being recorded or any nonsense the Anthonys present. One last thing and I apologize if you’ve written your thoughts on this and I haven’t seen them. I plan to go back and read alot of what’s come before this post…but…I am so curious about Mark Hawkins transcript with LE. It has never been released and I find that significant. Do you? I’ve always that that he was Casey’s fallback plan…she wanted to go to him in California and just go on as if nothing had happened. Never tell her parents, never go back..just start a new life and never look back.
Any comments would be appreciated. It feels nice to be able to get some feedback on these thoughts I’ve had.
Again, thank you for your time.
Hi Charlotte; #134; When I searched to find who said; ‘We kind of treat him seperately[Lee]. He knows what he has done.’; I did so to verify my (incorrect) memory that Yuri Melich said it. I ended up looking at the Scared Monkeys site (and found out that it was not YM, but an inside source) and while there I browsed the comments. That’s when I saw and remembered Blink’s “July 3rd, mark my words” comment. I was amused to see that Blink was focused on that date back in January and kind of “bookmarked” it’s importance back then.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/26/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done-in-the-casey-of-caylee-anthony/#comments
Her remark was in the context of the other comments preceeding her’s wherein folks were speculating about what the family knew and when.
Thanks Anna, it is on record at WS as early as October. Remember “they have always been very close, Lee could always get her to admit things..” There are a few things that never passed my smell test from day one, some I rejected without a valid reason other than body language and delivery. I say this not to toot a horn, but because I think sometimes in analysis we tend to “overprocess” the information. I know I have been guilty of it, but for whatever reasons the things I believed from day one are still the same and have not wavered. I think that means I am not smarter than anyone else, and neither are they.
B
To the posters who have lost their children and to Blink for the loss of your niece- may God bring you peace. I have lost loved ones in my life but never a child….God forbid.Our community just lost a beautiful 6 year old to cancer in May whom I had the pleasure of knowing- it was bad enough, but still not my own child. Blink thanks for taking the time to teach us all. I have followed this case, but I tend to forget things- I know you are busy but maybe one of the many bright posters can answer me. I am confused with the time line. I thought Caylee was murdered late night on the 15th or early morning on the 16th. Concerning the Drowning theory;was George and Cindy not home on the 15th? If this happened on the 16th it would’ve had to happen after George left for work. The 15th would’ve had to happen in the evening….wouldn’t George or Cindy have known if Caylee had drowned when they were home? Do I need to go re-read some of these posts? Forgive me my lack of retention…….
if the state put the death penalty back on as a tactic(if defense wants to say)( with slim easily refutable evidence)they upped the anti when they motioned for dp attorney disclosure,with andre lyon solidly onboard ,i beleive (could be wrong)she’s too pro to be used ,she’s there to do her job,(get life instead of dp)means there’s a job to be done,or rumors of plea bargins within two weeks.
What led Blink, very very very first time, to take the definite position of ‘something was found’ on the 3rd, not the 2nd at midnight, not the early morning sleepless daylight hours of early on the 4th, but actually nailing her observation down to the 3rd………… ie: “Mark my words, 3rd”
Could Blink have spoken to a primary source who knew something, a neighbour perhaps, someone who heard some excited utterances, or someone who got a call from Cindy or George or Lee, who let something slip, that points to something revealed that day…. can only guess… some sources might remain protected by a reporter with high ethical standards and we may never know who if it was a ‘who’.
And now that we know Lee was in on the ‘find’ information according to Blink, was what Lee ‘did’ (LE saying ‘he knows what he’s done’) related to ‘the find’ at all? Or was this something ‘else’ he did, like tell Mallory to hot foot it over to the Anthony’s house to ‘do something’ before the police arrived with Search Warrant? Why was Mallory sent there, not a co-incidence, to be sure.