Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.
The Laundry Bag
Although the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.
The Duct Tape
I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report. 
There are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied. Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.
The O Sign
A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.
However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.
Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________
This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?
Swim Diaper?
There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:
Paper Towels
Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.
In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.
Her Clothes
In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.
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I’m wondering if Casey ever gave much thought at all to retrieval/disposal/possible theft of her car at Amscot. IOW, might she have tossed the car problem into a “Mom (Or Someone Else) Will Handle It” file, and focused her thoughts upon timelier escape-from-Orlando plans?
You guys are amazing! Cannot keep up with you. Head is spinning.
Question, please. I read online that Baez paid the Bank back around $600.00 to compensate to Amy. I know Baez does not want to go to court for the fraud and theft trial before the murder trial, but is it legal for him to do that? Does that mean the Bank or Amy will let the charges drop?
Thanks for any help.
Charges have been filed by the State, they cannot not prosecute now whether the bank would press charges or not, also there is Gramma Pleasea.
B
Casey went full tilt with Cindy’s erroneous DATE of June 9th, so why not give a drop-off-at Sawgrass time which, at the very least, could be consistent with George’s version of when he last saw Caylee alive?? (then again, what truthful person would ever provide such an absurd 4 hr window of time for when they innocently dropped their child off with another caretaker).
OH! And I missed that Cindy said the Nanny was a BLONDE during the FBI interview! WTH!
I have a hard time believing that was unintentional– Isn’t Amy H. a blonde?? I think that may have been Cindy’s way of insinuating that Amy H. could have been the phantom-nanny. She was certainly on overdrive explaining how Casey’s statements which make no sense– somehow still made sense/pointing LE in every direction other than at Casey.
Do you think we will ever learn from whose computer that Zenaida MySpace account was created on June 16th??
I am very confused by a poster on here… Their tone and writing style and even their vocabulary changes every few posts but under the same name?? One minute very articulate the next hardly readable??
Anyway…..
Great site !!
Blink. Is it possible that police were contacted about caylee much earlier than we know on 7/15 and not because of cindyy’s 911 call?
no.
B
silverspnr, yeah– that blonde idea was supportive of the ‘new and improved’ JBP scenario with the tall, blonde (and fairly powerful) sister of Zani named Jennifer or was it Samantha– whatever, they seem to be names familiar to Casey. And description happened to fit very generally, Amy as tall and blonde.
I don’t care how big someone is, getting hold of someone’s arm by simply ‘holding down’ won’t keep a small, fit, young mother from their child. It would have to be full physical restraint by some technique to include covering her mouth to keep her from screaming (while not being bitten!).
Doesn’t pass the sniff test whatsoever.
I’m interested in ‘who’ could have created that Zani webspace too, on which computer– with Ms. Dora (not from Mt. Dora) the Explorer.
Bluewillow, thanks for that link– I took only a very quick look at that blogger’s site and decided to pass on that person’s information as he or she CERTAINLY DOES NOT read HERE!! Quick scan only, I caught an editorial remark about the duct tape (of which we have discussed here a tad) and that was so obvious that the blogger/editor has never heard the ‘O’ theory, or considered the tape wasn’t on the posterior– etc etc.) So, I’m not going to bother reading that article further as anyone who blogs and doesn’t read Blink, well, what can ya say.
HOWEVER, to MIchelle Bart’s radio interview and all her spin or whatever, not sure I want to listen to that stuff, but as she is a legitimate (well…) active paid person (will avoid the term ‘professional’) from the Anthony team, past or present, maybe I will wait for the YouTube version to come out if and whenever.
Yeah– conspiracy against Casey by Dr. G. and her team, who buy samples from the internet from someone who knows someone who got it from Jesse or whatever to supply the FBI! It’s ‘JUNK REPORTING!” Whoever is doing this, is doing far more harm to a proper trial and defense of the accused, but then it’s a spin off of Cindy’s activities– she planted the seeds and fertilized them.
Not meaning to go back to the car/Amscot timeline, but here’s a link to the part of George’s LE audio interview in which he discusses the scenario they put forth for finding the certified letter.
First, there seems to be a big ‘nervous’ factor here and I wonder if this demeanor says anything to knowledgeable people here (is this nervousness as George is off his plan, he needs to go by a script set out for this date etc?). The investigator mentions the week of the 11th to the 14th and about the 11th date, asking George about it. George wants to change subject, seems to stumble a bit here– something to the effect of “before I jump to July 11th” [george pauses for a moment ]– then goes on to say (very quietly as if giving himself a moment to prepare, “ok, you brought up July 11th…”
The grass story, killing the grass routinely for years this way, tons of details and extra stuff that could have been taken care of in a very few words that they were working in the front yard. But he went on and on and on with details of why he kills the grass and it’s routine for the past years, wife working around the palm trees, then notices the certified letter (again, George adds lots of detail about it being from the US postal service etc).
George says the certified letter says JOHNSON’S at the top– so they KNOW who it is from, at least a name for identification. Anyone seen the envelope that Johnson’s uses? Just one word? Even so– it’s a big clue what it’s for.
After looking at Johnson’s Wrecker website, that is no small operation and those vehicles would be around the main roads all the time– you can’t miss that type of tow bling! George had to have a clue what ‘Johnson’s’ could be. I bet anyone working security in Orlando would have heard of ‘Johnson’s’ as security must have to remove vehicles once in awhile.
Not sure that George would not clue into what that certified letter could be and go take a drive to the tow yard, then and there.
Mostly– listening to George’s stumbling, pauses, and then tons of detail in his yardwork story, raises some questions about maybe he was asked to tell a certain thing, and that was his discomfort leaking out at doing it?
#1554. Sorry kosmo that’s probably me. I have been arguing for several weeks that casey is very clever and a planner. Casey is very articulate no? She chooses her words very carefully when speaking with some people, usually older than herself but then when texting her friends she uses more slang. Casey can play it anyway she wants.
sorry, that was FBI, not the LE and here’s the link:
George FBI Pt 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRwnoCqjNU
Tuesday 15th– George continues with more and more detail– Cindy goes to work, finally about 11 am, he goes to the local Amscot, pays bill or bills, utility, maybe also cell phone (etc details details to add proof and time stamps to his story), then says he went down to get the letter and learns it is for both George and Cindy (two names on it) from Johnson’s Recovery Service. Tow location was corner of ‘Goldenrod and Colonial’ (not Amscot specifically?) and George recalls in detail, the time of tow was 9:58 (detailed memory).
Coincidence that George’s story says he went to pay bills at the Amscot where the Johnson’s had recovered his daughter’s car and on the same date he will later recover the car? And his nervousness when confronted by Bolin, about July 11th.
Someone?
Is it ethical or legal for baez to pay the bank for casey. we do know casey has no money. I mean thats a very personal thing to do. I hope I dont sound dumb!! CURIOUS
Well his office technically is an extention of her.. It did not come out of his pocket but her trust account I would guess.
B
Re: The blonde
These are my notes from listening to Cindy’s FBI interview months ago:
FBI agent wanted to know if Cindy thinks Amy is Zanny. Cindy says she isn’t 100% sure but she’s getting there. If Caylee is alive, Cindy needs to find her, so she is looking at all possibilities.
Cindy doesn’t know if the 2008 silver Ford Focus is the clue or if it’s just the idea of a new car purchased by a father. Cindy doesn’t know who is driving this car, if anyone.
Amy had said she does work sometimes at Universal, so that is a clue for Cindy that is another connection to Zanny [Casey claimed Zanny was a Universal seasonal employee]. Casey gave out clues that Zanny or her roommate is a tall, blond woman. Amy is tall as is Zanny. However, Zanny has dark hair, Amy has blonde. Cindy wondered if maybe it’s the roommate [who is blonde] or maybe Casey was just being careful [e.g., Casey was clear in giving clues because she was too afraid to be specific].
this is off topic from above posts but do the majority of people who are on this post think that when the police got caseys wallet on the 15th when they came to the house, pulled a fake id out for “zaneida gonzalez” and are just keeping that for an ace?
also, i cant listen to youtube at work are there any links that i can read about the A’s saying that the body was NOT caylee’s—good grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why now—i hadnt heard about that until today. why have a funeral etc?????
what a family and a daughter who uses chloroform for recreation—cheeseandrice.
Thanks Blink for yor answer. Am really trying to keep up with all you guys, your truly have great anaytical minds, I love reading all the posts. I can hardly wait for the trial, then I’ll be sitting here, going uhummm, yep, read on Blink.
Can’t wait for you next post. I know you are busy, but the anticipation is excrutiating.
Also, I know it’s a collective thing but you really make a person run for research and dig deeper.
Thanks again for the great site.
TY-
B
someone on here said some thing to this effect—-just throw out the logic and everything starts to fall into place. that’s how i am looking at the whole thing. i dont have the expertise of many here, who i admire. but that saying works for me. if its something no one could believe someone would do under the circumstance, then the Anthonys did it that way. still sticking with theory of cindy and casey together on this from the start, leaving george out of the loop until absolutely necessary (third of July). i love this site. i know the prosecution and defense must read here or they should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!–the defense should and then just give up.
Re: Car in garage and smell (again from my noted of Cindy’s July 30 FBI interview):
Cindy said she was calm for the first 911 call. She was not as calm for the second 911 call. 40 minutes went by and Lee was still talking to Casey. Cindy wanted to go in and shake Casey so she let Lee talk to Casey. Cindy went out into the garage because she was waiting for LE and had opened the garage door for the car.
The car did smell horrible and George’s first fear was that he would find Casey or Caylee’s body in the trunk. Again Cindy says it makes no sense that Casey would leave the car smelling like it did in a place that Cindy would notice. Cindy said she doesn’t believe the car ever held Caylee’s body.
Cindy said the stains in the car were not new. The only thing she had done was take the items out. She had also sprayed Febreze in the trunk to get rid of the smell. Cindy said the garage smelled for three days after the car was taken.
The detectives said it would be okay to put the car in the yard and take it out of the garage because of the smell. Then she said LE came to get the car in 24-48 hours [it was recovered by LE less than 24 hours after the deputies responded to the 911 call].
Michelle Murphy (Lee’s roommate in 2007) said Mallory Parker (Lee’s girlfriend) had been going to school for event planning.
IIRC, it was Maria Kissh (Clint House’s roommate) who said she didn’t believe Casey was working full time as an event planner because Casey was always at Tony’s apartment.
Maybe someone can clarify a few things for me. I’m confused about why there is any question at all about when the last time Caylee was seen. In Lee’s interview with LE, he clearly states that Casey said the last time she saw Caylee was on June 15th. Detective Edwards repeats back to Lee, “the last day, 31 days ago would be June 15th.” So, why then was there any question, or is there still? I understand initially that Cindy said she thought the day was the 8th, but realized after talking to her mother Shirley it was indeed the 15th, not the 8th. I can even understand someone making that mistake actually. I couldn’t tell you the exact date of Father’s day most times, so if asked, I might blurt out the 8th, without realizing it is later in the month. With that being said, Cindy’s dates shouldn’t have been in question at all anyway, considering that Casey ADMITS the last day was June 15th. Here is the link… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru70AmTNHaQ&feature=related
I also found this video clip that within the first 3 minutes is of George telling Greta that he saw Caylee EXACTLY 10 MINUTES TO ONE O’CLOCK on the 16th of June. Why didn’t LE immediately question George’s mistake instead of Cindy? Also, this is the video of George saying he was watching his favorite show on t.v. He begins to say it’s a News program, but goes on to say it’s a food channel show, not to mention Cindy jumping in the middle of the conversation as if she were there. Here is the link…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c&feature=related
One more thing… I have always thought that Casey was going back to get the car, but she just wasn’t in any hurry, because of the smell, also because she didn’t have money for gas, and even possibly because she had access to Tony’s jeep. I do believe she intended to pick it up at some point though, or at the very least, would have gone back and gotten anything that could have linked her to Caylee’s death, it just got towed before she was able to do so. Maybe the smell had gotten bad enough that day she just couldn’t drive it any further, or maybe she was indeed just about to run out of gas, it began to sputter and cut out, she pulled into the parking lot, called for a ride and the rest is history. I’ve never believed that anyone helped her push the car in the lot though, for 2 reasons…. The first reason being that the car was pulled into the spot the way you would normally park. If the car were indeed dead, there is no power steering and it wouldn’t have been pushed in there exactly between the lines. The other reason I’ve never believed that is because with as much publicity as this case has gotten, even from day one, I truly believe that (a) the 2 men she “claimed” helped her push it in the lot would remember doing so, which leads me to (b) those 2 men would have come forward and said, “yes” in fact they did help her push the car.
silverspnr & kleat….Amy H’s middle name is Jennifer!! Casey & Cindy both brought up the name Jennifer as Zanny’s tall, blonde roommate. Casey’s definately not very creative!
Blink, your reply to comment #1497 contains your expressed goal of “restoring Caylee’s legacy.” Your compassionate words are moving and memorable. It’s a who thinks with her heart.
I know that you work on several other cases, even though you obviously have a busy life and many responsibilities apart from your justice pursuits. I have learned much about this case from you and your sharp-minded readers.
I’ve wondered all along about investigative leads that possibly have uncovered surprising information to which the public is not privy, and also that there could be twists and turns at trial which we have never imagined – (such as how chloroform was used and which parties were involved and other unknown activities and participants).
Let me say this, if Casey Anthony through her lawyers heads to trial in this case, she will end up on death row, there is zero doubt in my mind. I also believe Baez knows that and thus the addition of Andrea Lyon. It will fail though, this is not a “legislative case” for her agenda. When it does, I expect Baez will start his proferring. I am stupified by the arrogance of these people, and I feel comfortable saying if my friend Mark Nejame were Casey’s lawyer this girl would have copped a plea before Caylee was ever found, so I guess my comfort is that this girl, and these people in the end, will get what they have coming.
B
Elfninosmom.wordpress.com/2008/08/0. Blink on 6/27 george is questioning casey about whether she had talked to cindy and casey says yes everday then george asks casey “yes but did you talk to your mom today? So is he wondering if cindy confronted casey about the stolen gas cans or about somethong else? Also why would casey think she could return the gas cans on 6/27 if the shed was locked? George followed casey and saw her ditch the car at amscot.this raises some serious questions for me about what these people knew and when they knew it.
Your date is wrong.
B
I asked about the fingerprints on the tape earier and you said it hadn’t come out in discovery. Is not the state REQUIRED to release this information? Hate to harp on this, but it’s a MAJOR smoking gun … even partials.
Fred there are several earlier comments and postings from me and others as to the regulations and exclusions under Florida Sunshine Law in this thread and others.
B
Maura, yeah, all those little realities woven into the fabricated stories. And there’s one more thing about the blonde, tall, roommate, Jennifer, etc clues– Casey led Amy to believe that they would be ‘roomies/housemates’ as Casey inherited the Anthony home. Casey seemed to be using Amy a lot as a ‘source’ of ideas.
Shaye, yeah… another name taken from a friend, yes.
Blink, ty for your reply to #1571. Please let me correct my incomplete 3rd sentence to read: “It’s the promise of a lady who thinks with her heart.” (sorry for the omitted words)
I respect Mark NeJame for the way he handled his withdrawal from the case, and Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch, as well, for his forbearance. I agree that IF it goes to trial, the outcome for Casey will match your prediction.
Hi everyone – my first post all the way from the west coast of British Columbia – you’ve kept me reading for days on end. I’ve been following this since December but new to the site.
I was most interested over the week end of the turn of events re Leonard Padilla. And today he came out swinging on NG. Great stuff.
Re the Amy cheque charges I think it is a great idea for the State to proceed ASAP. What is the down side for them. Re the defense argument that it will occupy too much of their time…hellooo. They have to plead her. They can’t run a defense or put her on the stand surely. Unless they wanted to run some sort of diminished capacity argument which would be premature. Hard to run given her clear taped admission that she did wrong. I suppose they could try to argue that “at the time” she was deranged but that too is way premature for their liking. So I see their side.
Your many thoughts and the factual pointers are so helpful. But for the record on the early days comments of George, Cindy and Lee you are putting many thoughts in their heads they didn’t have knowledge of at the time.
Re Lee’s early words to Casey about how to deal with LE I am of the view he was suggesting she stop with the lies and give them something at least vaguely believable to work on.
I agree that very early in the game Cindy saw things weren’t going in a direction she liked. It took George a little longer. Then they circled their wagons and really began to muddy the water. Soon the water was so muddy truth didn’t matter. For their own perverse reasons mis-truths and obfuscation seems preferable to truth for their granddaughter. They could have been truthful and also helped Casey but that was not the path they chose. Now they have no credibility just like their daughter.
I think Casey was very very lucky in that LE oversights delayed discovery of Cayley’s remains for so long.
I like the stuff about the lot names and all but I just don’t think Casey has that kind of intellect. Ditto with the “Holt”.
I do have a question though it has been posed before. That is the first legitimate indication of Zanny being the nanny. By legitimate I don’t mean the non-existent nanny was real. Just that they had been told about her. I’m sure when I read the transcripts of Cindy’s co-workers one or more had heard that line for at least several months if not longer??
Sorry to be so long winded. Over and out and keep up the good work.
Wendy 1569
I believe the Anthony’s are trying to stick with the last time Caylee was seen was the 16th, because they are trying to keep LE from investigating why Casey REALLY left the house with Caylee on the 15th.
I always had a feeling Casey murdered Caylee the night of June 15th (in a fit of rage) because of the following 3 reasons.
#1 … IMO I believe she had a horrific fight with cindy on June 15th, I think it went way beyond there usual, to the point were I would guess Cindy told her she would take custody of Caylee.
#2 … THIS IS DOCUMENTED – Lee had said Casey admitted she hadn’t seen her daughter in 31 days on July 15th.
#3 … THIS IS ON TAPE – The clincher for me came right out of Casey’s mouth in the following jail visitation with her parents!
George is telling Casey how much he misses her and Caylee not being home, states, “all your little things and her little things” Casey replies, “that night when I told Mom I couldn’t be in the house, I knew that I couldn’t be there and see that she wasn’t there”
The only night Casey could be referring to would have to be June15th! Casey was with the Police the night of July 15th. July 16th she was arrested and in jail up until this visit.
WFTV.com
Afternoon Parents Visitation
Part 2 of 2
1:50 into it.
IMO George and Cindy lied to the authorities from the beginning to show they weren’t a dysfunctional family.
I am yet again AMAZED concerning the Anthony family! I mean, when it looks like every conceivable mis-truth and fabrication has unfolded NOW they say the remains are not their Grand-daughter?!? Next I suppose it will be like that famous episode of Dallas…it was just a dream and it never happened???? Thanks, I learn more from this site than the news!!! Keefer
#1564 martha. I think there is a fake I’d with the name zg on it. How else couldd casey have paid the ticket. There must be one right? Did you read blinks annie and zannys excellient adventure?
I’m not so sure certified letters were a rarity for George and Cindy.
George did get the family into financial hot water back in 2005 (and Casey has added to the problem). George told the FBI that he and Cindy are still dealing with the fall-out from that time. He said that on his way to the FBI interview that morning, he got a call from a collection agency saying he owed a $1,500-1,800 bill going back to “all that” and that he had been told by a company in Fort Myers that they would take care of it and pay 30 cents on dollar to clear it up.
The Scared Monkeys put together a timeline, and one of their entries was for an older financial problem that was settled four days after that FBI interview. The entry on the SM timeline is: 11/28/2007 FIA CARD SERVICES N A, plaintiff; GEORGE A ANTHONY DEFENDANT Outcome Date: 08/04/08 Case Number: 07-CC-0019403-O Action filed by MBNA AMERICA BANK NA against George Anthony on 12/11/2006. Order of dismissal after a hearing on 8/4/2008 $255
Shirley Plesea said in her interview that George had cashed in his 401K without telling Cindy so she didn’t include it on their taxes and the IRS came after them and garnished her wages.
I’m just saying, they could reasonably have thought the certified letter was related to a series of long-standing financial problems they were slowly resolving and that’s why they didn’t beat speed records getting to the PO.
Neither am I convinced that George would recognize the name Johnson’s. The Orlando metro area is huge (over two million people) and in a quick Google search, I pulled up 16 towing companies just in Orlando proper. “Johnson’s” is an extremely common name. It’s not as if “Ace Towing” were on the notice.
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If you’re reading, Riddle, George told the FBI that the notice was stuck in the crack between the front door and frame. So it wasn’t a sticky at all (I know you said that). I hadn’t noticed George said the notice was tucked into the door frame when I first listened to that interview.
2 things I think we need drilled down though:
1) Why the text to WW about Casey getting a rental on 7/10 if the A’s did not know about the car yet?
2) Who is Amy’s towing friend that WW knows?
B
Question about her car? Casey said someone helped her push it into the amscot lot so were there unknown fingerprints on the car? Has anyone come forward stating they were the one that pushed the car into the lot if so they could be a witness as to any smells from the trunk?
Blink,
Question: can you speculate on the identity of Caylee’s father, with all the press and gold diggers out there why hasn’t ex lovers come forward, I would think that idiots all over would be saying yes it was me no it was me just for their 15 minutes….
or have they and I just haven’t discovered that information in my readings or it hasn’t been released….your thoughts please and everyone else!
Great site, I think this “Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I” blog is best to date, I have learned more today reading this then ever before and your followers WOW! what great input, many other sites have a hard time keeping to the subject matter and spout of about there bunions, great job folks!!!
I have ad nauseum, just ask my readers, lol, it is not a popular one.
B
#630 Wendy
I couldn’t agree with you more!
Ooops … meant to include it was the July 25th visitation.
Part 2 of 2
1:50 into it.
What else was the attraction to Casey in the Goldenrod/Colonial Dr. location besides Amscot? (example as illustrated by Klaasend’s ping maps on YouTube for 16th June). Why did she spend so much time in that area? Coffee shop to sit and do her texting or some other public place with A/C to hang out ?? That corner was the location Cindy would drive past on her way to work, so maybe George too (leaving the house for work)? But would she really be able to tell parents vehicles in busy traffic, maybe Cindy’s as she would always be in one turn lane at the corner and she had the panda on the rear window.
Could it be a place Casey would hang out to call home to see whose there, not just last summer, but before that time when she wanted to know if anyone was at home or not?
(dumb question–someone please remind me who/what is DRF, and what is the Lexus connection– thx)
Re@ Post# 1559 I think I am even more confused then what I was to begin with.. My comment was about a poster not the thoughts of a poster… I just feel there is more then 1 person posting under the same name.. Not sure why “they” would do that but you can clearly see the difference in the writing and the thought process. Bet let’s just leave it at that…
I know quite a few people believe C and G knew about this long before it finally came out but if that is so…. What kind of plan is it to call your daughter’s bestfriend and get her to drive you to her daughter’s boyfriend’s house and then drag your daughter back home to then call 911 numerous times and tell them to come arrest your daughter and then to also tell the 911 operator the car smells like a dead body… This all planned??
I think that reality was thrown in their faces when they went and got the car.. The world as they had known it was GONE from that moment on… They might have had thoughts or questions running through their minds before that but it wasn’t anything like when they smelled the car. That must have been like hitting a cement wall going about a 1000…. all of a sudden horror, fear, adrenaline, sadness, anger… All this running through their minds and blood. I bet they did want to “just go back to work” go back to that reality…. Not the knew one they have just been confronted with. There is no preparing for how their lives changed from that moment on..
With that said I think they have done a really ugly disservice to the memory of that beautiful little girl and they are just spiraling out of control and will do anything, including lie, (to even themselves) to try to make their daughter the victim….
But they know… They know the truth.. The reality… They just can’t get their brains wrapped out around it and deal with it..
And of course JMHO…
Kosmo,
I’m with you on the question as to why would someone totally change their entire perception and/or usage of the English language, and keyboard for that matter. Oddly enough, guilty dog barks first? Hmmm, know what I mean? ha!
Kosmo and Wendy, why don’t you just come out with who and examples of why you feel this way? Or just ignore the situation. Someone may have more than one person using their computer and may sign in automatically under the same nickname legitimately, maybe they should add a note to their posts to differentiate.
It’s not healthy for a site to have suspicions about posters so would be good to clear the air on this.
And posing a question to the above issue– what is wrong with changing one’s position when they get more information? Changing ‘perception’ means taking a look at things in another way, from another viewpoint. Doesn’t mean the person changes.
So, exactly who are you pointing fingers at? Let’s clear the air if we can so we can move on please?
#1580–boo—thanks for writing. i am glad others think that le has a fake zenaida gonzales id. i think that because of the way it was described that le grabbed that paper out of the wallet in a hurry. i guess le doesnt have to show everything that they find thru the sunshine law. I (i will read up on that blink). see you are all getting me to look things up too!!!!– anyway thanks boo, enjoy your posts. i read the excellent adventure. that is VERY INTERESTING TOO. HOPE EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD DAY.
Blink if you would like can you please just wipe out my thoughts and I shared about the other poster? I probably shouldn’t have even brought it up it just struck me as so strange how one person can change their whole style of posting. But this thread is very important and I really don’t want to be the cause of any disruption my thoughts would cause…
I would not be able to get to that until next week, can I ask everyone to accept Kosmo apology and stay on track please? Many thanks
B
RE: 1586– got it, slow today– DRF = Don Reid Ford (when in doubt– ‘Google’!)
(interesting note– Casey texted ‘Tara’ just before 5 pm on June 30th. Now what did Casey tell Cindy in the jail video about Tara and not talking to her for some months? If that’s the same Tara she called ‘psycho Tara’) Why would she text her, if not to somehow connect her to things as some sort of afterthought once the car was towed maybe?)
I’m sorry Kleat I shouldn’t have even brought it up.. I always hold your posts in very high regard and the time and compassion that you and some others have put into this whole case is amazing and I don’t want to be the cause of diverting that in any way. I guess when people go on sites aimed at crimes and mysteries we get suspicious and this other poster jumped out at me..
I again apologize
Maura,
I did think the certified notice was probably stuck in the door/frame somewhere, again, not uncommon. FWIW…if there was any delay in notification, it was likely on Burch’s end. I was thinking about it more, and they could’ve meter postaged it on July 7, but hung onto it for a couple days before sending. (This is not a legit way to do it, but this is called a ‘stale’ meter date, and is not often pursued by the USPS unless it’s a chronic problem AND they notice it. Again, if they did this chronically, they’d be setting themselves up for a problem. Depending on several variables I won’t go into, it may or may not then have a cancellation date by the PO from when the PO processes it.
Regardless, if it were important enough to trace the date, LE w/ assistance from the PO could likely ascertain this in one of several ways, again several variables involved and I don’t know enough details.
Here is a link to the form FWIW, you will notice it was revised in May of 2008, this is after I left the service, so I didn’t even realize it has a place for Sender’s name on the notice, it may have prior had this prior, but didn’t think so (think it had Sender’s zip code, which told people zilch). No telling exactly what the carrier would’ve written in that block w/o seeing it.
http://psforms.lettercarriernetwork.info/ps3849.pdf
Of the former positions I held, several involved drilling down and researching logistics and pinpointing problems in the ‘pipeline’ (both on a micro and macro level) which caused delivery delays. Hence, if I knew more details, I could tell you more. Again, other than establishing when the car got there, and when it was picked up, and verifying it was secured while there, I’m not sure how relevant it will be to the case. Unless of course the A’s are tied into it earlier than July 15th, and then I’m guessing it’s hugely relevant. But, as we know, OSCO doesn’t seem to be going that way.
On the other hand if Casey’s defense does throw her family under the bus, it could become very relevant.
Silver- No offense taken at all….cool w/me. I’d love to hear your opinion as to whether the defense would ever, ever consider putting Casey on the stand if this does by chance go to trial.
Scarlett – Good posts me thinks, you’re giving me more to ponder there on what the A’s knew when.
G & C have both stated publicly they feel they threw Casey under the bus early on, and they regret it. Too bad they don’t acknowledge the obvious. Casey threw Casey under the bus, and she’d be exactly where she sits now regardless. No one could’ve ever gotten past her lack of reporting Caylee missing, nor the elaborate tales she told w/o any substance to back it up; let alone the ridiculous goose chase and lies and behavior. Their giving themselves too much credit on that one IMO.
#1583 dee. Blink has stated she believes tthe father to be jose ortiz who was killed in a car accident. I hope so too as there would be one less person in caylees life who failed her.
boo, lol it IS ironic that casey pretends to be an event planner, isn’t it? But I think she faked that job because one of her friends (can’t recall who) is one or is studying to be one, and thus she can speak the lingo and describe her alleged daily work with some credibility (say, to her folks) if need be.
#1591 martha. Thank you. Kayden started school yesterday so I took this week off to help her adjust.I try not to think about school shootings and kids with guns. We haven’t had too much of that here “yet”. I think that the state has lots of evidence they have not disclosed yet including some people who have knowledge.
Ah, I see Maura noted above that it is Lee’s girfriend Mallory who is the event planner.
I think all people have a right to stupidity but the Anthony’s abuse the privilege (I wish I were clever enough not to have taken this from an unkown). There is no way I am convinced that these people orchestrated a cover up of this caliber. The Anthony’s have been extremely blessed with a whole bunch of dumb luck. Did Casey intend to retrieve the car? Maybe. Did Casey plan on leaving the car? Maybe. Did Casey plan on setting anyone else up for this murder? Maybe. Is she capable of setting anyone else up? Hell to tha No!!!!!! She can watch CSI til the cows come home but she is in no way equipped with the patients and the intelligence needed to pull this off. Casey was so thrilled to drive Tony’s jeep that she offered to drive every where she and Amy went while he was away (She didn’t get the access to his appartment that she longed for) this was her one thing to hang on to while he was away. She didn’t need her car during that time. I was young once……it was cool to drive your boyfriends ride….hehehe!!!!Casey was so immature that she left her daughter in a room full of 20 somethings while she went to her boyfriends room to make out. She brought her daughter to parties and Fusion until someone with sense told her it really wasn’t appropriate. Casey probably day dreamed of a life without Caylee and probably did a search on “neck breaking” to see if there was a way to make Caylee have an accident, but Casey wasn’t even smart enough to know that 2 1/2 year olds still have soft bones and breaking the neck and making it look like an accident would require skill. Was she going to drop Caylee from the roof? And say what? On to Cindy and George……they didn’t even know their daughter was pregnant and she was in her 3rd trimester. Now……I know some people just carry babies well and don’t look as big as a house, but come on!!!!!!! She lived with them. Nurse Cindy didn’t notice the items being left off of the drug store list each month. I was a young mother- my mom caught on quick!!!!!!!! These people really aren’t that intelligent- they like to think they are but IMO they have been rained on by some serious luck with this whole thing (Maybe it’s Casey’s Clover). If Caylee’s body would’ve been found sooner this wouldn’t be so complicated. The circumstances are what’s making this whole case so mysterious- Not the Anthony’s- They wish. Liars? Yes!!! Intelligent? Again…..Hell to tha NO!!!!!!!!!!!! They were singing like birds until all the legal eagles got involved and told them to shut their Pie Holes. I do have to defend Cindy and George on one thing- If a mob of Scalawags set up camp in my front yard yelling at me about one of my own- I would have knocked the ONE tooth they had left out of their heads……Just saying they were wrong for that.