Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I

Orlando, FL– Under heavy objection last Friday afternoon, Judge Stan Strickland denied the motion on behalf of George and Cindy Anthony to seal Caylee Marie Anthonys autopsy until their daughter Caseys capital murder trial in their granddaughters death. Late Friday afternoon, the Findings of Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange County were released. In Part I, we explore a few of the notable findings, In Development for Part II, Blinkoncrime will be is creating an interactive 3D Model, incorporating the evidence recovery field, bone disbursement pattern, and anatomical example of the duct tape placement.

The Laundry Bag

WhitneyLaundryBagAlthough the report contains a significant amount of anthropologic and forensic data, it does not contain photos or X-Rays, pursuant to the Earnhardt exclusion under Florida Law. Blinkoncrime.com will attempt to offer some observations and in some cases, correct some erroneous information that is being reported in the msm. For starters, the laundry bag picture being circulated, it is incorrect, the image to the left is the correct bag, note the dimensions are exact. The top of this bag does not cinch.

The Duct Tape

I have seen rampant speculation on the duct tape beginning around 15 minutes following the release of the report.  DuctThere are many who believe that Casey Anthony killed her child by wrapping her nose and mouth with duct tape. Allow me to point out the report actually reflects the antithesis of this theory. First, there IS NO TAPE ON THE POSTERIOR of her skull. The only posterior placement of the tape mentioned is still located on the mandible, or face. The tape, which was actually small strips of grey cloth-based, delaminating tape is applied on top of itself, not really feasible with a live toddler. Given the findings that Caylee’s mandible stayed in almost true anatomical position, although slightly posterior and that the hair that was attached to the tape extended from the back of her head and over her head and face, it is likely Caylee was laying on her back when the tape was applied.  Henkel makes 2 kinds of duct tape, one is more Industrial grade of adhesive “hot set” over cloth designed for waterproof and outdoor projects. It has not yet been disclosed which formulation was used.

The O Sign

A contributing poster at blinkoncrime gave me something to think about that had not occurred to me. I am on record stating I do believe that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and that she will end up pointing the finger at one or both of her parents as a defense strategy.

However, the duct tape never really fit for me. I have always believed it to be a post mortem tactic to stage a kidnapping. I do believe I may have been wrong. Very well known to medical and critical care professionals, there is something called an O effect; occurring at very near death, or shortly following death and before rigormortis sets in.

Some medical people refer to it when the person is very near death or has just died–the jaw drops open. Nothing left to hold the mandible shut. In morgue kits there is a strap that is applied around the jaw to gently close it before rigor sets in. This “O” sign can be very pronounced and unsettling to see first hand. Casey probably wasn’t aware of this and was really spooked by this silent scream and used the duct tape then put a heart sticker on it as a ________

This makes sense to me. The tape is applied in small strips across the nose and mouth areas, catching her hair in the face over the Coronal plane region. One interpretation that may be drawn is that Caylee was lying on her back, upon seeing what Casey had done to her child as evidenced by the relaxed mandible; she attempted to “fix her”. As if covering up the evidence of death on her baby would change things, complete with a heart sticker. No sooner did I arrive at this conclusion on Saturday, did I see Dr.Michael Baden appear on Geraldo Live on Sunday evening bringing up the mortuary kit issue. I am not saying this idea originated here, not that it would be the first time, but it at least tells me there is corroboration within the forensic Medical community as to the premise. The FBI report on the duct tape has not been released. One thing is certain, what I have been stating all along about Casey’s prints being on the duct tape seems foreboding. With multiple strips of tape, chances are there are several. The defense has had this report for months, is this why Casey Anthony retained Todd Macaluso?

Swim Diaper?

There are several remnants recovered that are described as a diaper or pull ip item. However, there are a few that appear to be strictly synthetic. When I read the report, my immediate reaction based on some of the coloring was that it was a “swimmie”, or disposable swim diaper. After mapping out the dimensions and a closer look, I believe it is actually referring to remnants of both a pull up, a reusable swim diaper, or swim floation/assistance device or both, as pictured here:

CayleeSwim2 CayleeSwim-1 SwimDiaper-2

PrincessDiaper Diapergarbage

Paper Towels

Simply stated there is decomposition fluid on paper towels in the plastic garbage bag found in her trunk that came from Tony Lazzarros apartment.

In my opinion, Casey ripped the bag Caylees remains were in when she moved her body into or out of the trunk to her final resting place in the woods off Suburban. The stain in the trunk, emitting the ungodly stench, was the target of the paper towels after Casey returned to TonE’s apartment. She brought the paper towels and garbage bag out with her in an attempt to clean it up and realized almost immediately it was an excerise in futility. Immediately following are her comments to Amy about George Anthony borrowing her car, and the infamous squirrel stowaway story.

Her Clothes

In contrast to only a stitching remnant with a manufactures tag left of her shirt, Caylees shorts were found nearly 2 ft ft away from the laundry bag, in relatively good condition. Based on the reports findings of trunk and femural animal activity and the corresponding recovery area, I am of the opinion that it is not possible that Caylee was wearing those shorts when she was dumped in the woods. Frankly, given the fact that the actual color stripe pattern was discernable versus the condition of the other items, I am suspect Casey was in those woods more than once. How do you get only the collar of a shirt remaining and her shorts completely intact with no noted damage? Lastly, Caylees shoes if she were wearing any, were not recovered.

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1,836 Comments

  1. LRT says:

    Blink,

    I may have something…
    If you need any more info…just ask…I live here in (redacted)
    LRT, please post your source for that so I can post it, I did a quick search and found alot of “other” but not the stuff you referenced. I is apparently BYOL day… Bring Your Own Link, lol
    B

  2. nickel says:

    suz..#387..thank you much..i have not seen all of that and found it very interesting.
    What is this of a trust fund Caylee was left by whoever Casey said was her father?? That he was contibuting to it prior to his death?? Just another lie i guess..Also she clearly states she did not have a falling out with her parents,she was just living with her boyfriend..Why would she volunteer that info. so quickly without having a reason to deny it?? If it never happened why bring it up at all??

  3. LRT says:

    We are contacting DCF and CHS about Milsterad being a felon…and in order for them to Open House with a Purpose,…they must go through one of those organizations….

    NOW, that Bobby Joe..just recently lived with them.

    Hmmmmmm

    _______________

    from google

    Kid Finders Network, Inc. Company Profile – Located in Royal …
    Dennis W. Milstead 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County … Bobby J. Vanover 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County …

  4. Julie says:

    The link for videos on you tube seems to never work…but if you go to You Tube..and enter in the search Joyce Bailey Dickens 7-22-08 (Anthony’s neighbor) on Sierra’s channel. ……..and pay attention at 2;32 in KIOMARIE worked for an IRISH TRAVEL place!!!!!!! Casey had a passport too??????? What is this whole IRISH thing???????? By the way the entire video is great!

  5. Kleat says:

    Frank McKeever and one of his car parts deals: It looks great!!– has a ‘million mile warranty!’ (sounds a bit too good to be true, unless you have to drive a million miles to get warranty coverage)

    http://forums.focaljet.com/group-buys/471724-focus-b-m-short-throw-shifter.html

    That’s another ‘Ford Focus’ folks… Casey liked the Ford Focus, the phantom ZG had one, Amy got a new one…

    So did Vicky Aleman…. MMMMUUUUHHHHAAAA
    (Kleat I so swear I am not effing with you)
    B

  6. nickel says:

    hope that worked..

    Nickel, respectfully, that article was bunk as was most of that authors, unfortunately, but good use of resources.
    B

  7. LRT says:

    This Bobby Joe is under Kidfinders when you google the Milsteads address.
    Kid Finders Network, Inc. Company Profile – Located in Royal …
    Dennis W. Milstead 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County … Bobby J. Vanover 1740 E Rd Loxahatchee, FL 33470. Palm Beach County…..
    _____
    WE Must report to licensing at Dept of Children and Families….
    She( founder of another home here in PBC) will make a few calls…Whomever did her House will do theres.
    She will get the womans name and we will write her!!! YIPPIE

    Once we tell/show her that Sherri who will apply has 2 convicted felons in her home….They will boot them…They can’t get Grant money without a license.

  8. Riddlemethis says:

    Nickel,
    I liked that report also….and did you notice in that report Casey says Caylee’s been missing since the 15th of June? Now wondering is that a typo or not ??? Kind of a large ‘blunder’ if it is.

    Oh yeah…my kid gets knabbed by the babysitter…uh…but…uh I can’t remember the exact day for sure. I keep getting confused over exactly what day that was……yeesch!!

  9. ostella says:

    Blink, is it possible Frank McKeever was responsible for the break-in / laptop theft at the UCF office of (another) Zenaida Gonzales on June 9 2008? Could he have done that at Caseys request, to help her setup a fake ID or something like that?

  10. annals says:

    Is it a coincidence that RiddleMeThis is post #400, when wondering who will be on post 400? NAAAAW. Blink manipulated it to make Kleat send Riddle a prize. Lucky Riddle.

  11. Angela says:

    #381 – nickel – thanks for posting that – – in the public the link is missing something in the center: plz what’s between the word “public” and “number”??
    (Can you look under your “history” and go back to that page and then look at the web address)
    http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic…ngnumber=67905

    SORRY BLINK FOR TEDIOUSNESS OF POST HOWEVER MAYBE THERE IS A LITTLE COMPUTER/WWW LESSON IN THERE TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE!

  12. Oneshot says:

    possible baby-daddy (consider face shape, eyebrows, etc):
    compare photo #14 of Caylee (or even #12) with “Jeremy” from Dec 2006, photo #40
    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos

  13. nickel says:

    Sorry that is what i had written down for the link…this is why i try not to get “fancy”…i am walking away, tail between legs, (no gold star today…lol)
    ..and Blink, i am glad that was bunk:)

  14. Brenda in Virginia says:

    #400 Riddle….yeah, but not even THAT complex probably as using a planned pre-recording. Her cell or iPod (bought by someone else’s credit) had capability to record sound and/or video. Plus, as much as she liked to photograph, she had plenty of sound and video bites of Caylee.

    Don’t forget the power of suggestion. Casey pretending to speak to Caylee would do that to someone talking over the phone to her.

  15. Brenda in Virginia says:

    #385 Kleat….don’t forget about Lee and the statement…”he knows what he did”. Closest person to Casey by his own admission and others. If Casey had help, was in the form of her brother is my guess.

  16. LRT says:

    Blink..I have posted links twice now..and they don’t show..I will see if thsi does.
    It did not, are you just cutting and pasting?
    B

  17. LRT says:

    Google search of address

    1740 E Road
    Loxahatchee Fl

    Then I said who is this Bobby Vanover

    So I went to pbcountyclek

    There i found he was arrested for (redacted- LRT, Klaas and I researched this last night, I am not coming up with that information) He is the owner of A Jump For Jay.. another one of the Scamsteads “sponsors” they actually own a stake in of some kind.
    B

    He is listed as a Director on Kidfinders at sunbiz

    Sorry, maybe it is my hyperlinks…

    But, you can confirm with above info.

    Isn’t having him on The Kidfinders board..Like having Susan Smith working in a Daycare..

    If you need more, I will be happy to.

  18. Julie says:

    #404 Kleat it says the photo has been removed now…at that link?

  19. Julie says:

    KLEAT WOULD YOU BET THE FARM MCKEEVER IS AN IRISH NAME !!! !!!??? AND IN THE CAYLEE BEAUTY VIDEO ON YOU TUBE HelpFindCaylee channel KISS ME I”M IRISH SHIRT CAYLEE IS WEARING is all also a COINCIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. Riddlemethis says:

    (Kleat I so swear I am not effing with you)….. cuz she just gave it to me :) LOL.

    Ahhhh Haaa Annals…you got it..I do believe I was #398 at that time. …….LMAOF!

  21. Patricia says:

    Julie…. and don’t forget the shamrock tatoo Casey had…..I had read that Casey loved anything Irish but never could figure out why because there doesnt seem to be any Irish connection thru her parents heritage……

    With all respect to my dubious posters, Casey was into the shamrock thing way before Caylee was born. I think we may be overanalyzing its origin. Her Birthday is 3/19. 3/17 is a Major party day inline with her favorite Holiday “Casey day” which is everyday. For Example, my Daddy’s Birthday is 3/17. He got Irish chochkies out the wazoo every year at parties and there is not a lick of Irish in my family on either side. Just a thought.
    B

  22. susan says:

    suz thanx for link and nickle on the child investigation report, DID YOU SEE on page6 casey (sitting right next to cindy) says when i came back and caylee was gone … says i retraced my steps…mades phone calls.. when this did not work I CAME HOME AND TOLD MY PARENTS(sitting right next to cindy, she says that)——————i am dumbfounded.

    She is referring to 7/15 though, correct?
    B

  23. ErinOK says:

    Okay – this may be a red herring, but has anyone (LE) really looked into Deputy Richard Cain? It has always bugged me that a police officer wouldn’t seriously consider it a strong enough possiblity that Caylee’s body could have been just a few blocks from her home to put some effort into a tip called in? It might be nothing, but it has always struck me as a little off. Speaking of off, I am kind of off topic : )

    Not off topic, an excellent question actually. He was a lazy cop. The End.

    Seriously, though, that R.O.A.D. Officer aka Piece of Work, was investigated thoroughly the second Caylee’s remains were found. He was just incompetent and negligent, not involved, imo. Admittedly I checked him out, how could one not? He was a solid common denominator.
    B

  24. jenn says:

    Blink just finished reading your article on the seitz felloe and the missing wetterling boy aka your zanny and annie excellent adventure article and the details mentioned about him claiming to be pshycic, his interest in missing children, the mention of the mounds of dirt in his back yard but no human remains found (yikes) and the childrens shoes and tufts of hair also found. And he was rumered to be wanting to confess his crimes just one day after caylee was found. Wander if he called a tio to ocle? And I also wonder if a monud of dirt was found in the backyard of the abthonys home on 7/3 or some hair? I hope the wetterling family and the families of the other children in your articles get the answers they deserve.

    I am on record to say I believe this case will be huge, there’s more, Im sure of it.
    B

  25. Rosebud says:

    I am new to this site …. but IMHO …. Georgette and SINdy never saw and they knew Caylee was not at home on the morning of the 16th….b/c she was not …. My thoughts are that Tot Mom and SINdy had a fight the night of the 15th about her stealing $$$ from Grand=daddy’s Assistant Living Account and when SINdy went after her physically…. Tot Mom (ugh i cannot stand to say her name) verbally flipped out at SINdy and she then snatched poor sweet Caylee and ran out the house…. buckled her in her car seat and took off…. after realizing she had no where to go and poor Caylee crying in the car that she wanted to go home …. Tot Mom in a rage …. realizing she had no where to go …. so the only place she could go was Tony’s ….. but b/c Tony did not allow her to bring Caylee overnight…. she angrily got out of the car… sedated her with “MORE” chloroform …. and duct tape her across her mouth and nasal area to shut her up out of anger and hatred b/c her daughter was calling out she wanted to go home to SINdy…. the chloroform I would suspect knock her out and the duct tape was reinforcement so no one would hear her chilling cries and while sweet Caylee laid suffocating in the trunk she went over to Tony’s and said “Hey Babe”… and she stayed the night… and when she woke…. sweet Caylee was dead…. I say DP by injection to her….. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!! No excuses ….. but that is JMHO

  26. Kleat says:

    Rita, yeah, makes sense to lift pavers, like a secret ‘trap-door’, no disturbed dirt to show obviously in the playhouse.

    Noting that Cindy (Greta interview maybe) explained that nothing was found under the sandbox, there’s a layer of barrier fabric under that. But what about the playhouse– obviously there HAD to be a barrier fabric under that as well or bamboo and other stuff would push up between the pavers.

    What would a girl need more tools from that shed for? Something had to cut the barrier fabric, like a knife, a sharp knife, box-cutter. And if the parents saw some indication of pavers moved or looked under the pavers, they must have seen freshly ripped barrier fabric. If not freshly ripped, then roots would breech the fabric and then the pavers soon enough. Could it be that what the parents saw was roots?? A spear of bamboo poking up in the playhouse between pavers?

    There was a big explanation of bamboo and how fast it grew, also to Greta (?).

  27. NancyS says:

    Hey I just got done reading the adventures of Annie and KC. Is it possible that Kc got the tickets on the same day but different instances and she was using Annies name and info and also Zenaida gonzales as it is not a very hard to thing to do to get fake ID’s.
    You just need a little money.
    I have never seen this info but do think KC did this to not get caught with the Anthony name.
    THis is perfect if this is the case as again KC didnt cover her tracks in the dirt!

  28. Kleat says:

    Julie, Casey loved all things Irish.

  29. Kleat says:

    Julie, the 404 link works, it’s not a photo.

  30. jenn says:

    It was really the zenaida and annie excellent adventure articke I was searching for when I found the article on seitz. I realize they are unrelated cases but just found the 12/12/08 date kinda weird. I read the excellent adventure article very interesting and that date 6/9/08 date popped up again. I hope that zenaida connection plays out at trial if there is one.
    I will be hard pressed to believe that there is not a connection to the office break in and the fact that the “ZG22″ appeared to pay the ticket the next day, and they day after that.
    B

  31. Jaelin says:

    Ok, it took me 3 days to read this article and all the comments and I am still confused. That’s what I get for thinking I could pick up reading in the middle of a case and be able to make sense of it. I have a year’s worth of reading to go back and do. I guess by next century I’ll have some intelligent input to share. haha!

    Lol, What an intelligent post, thank you for sharing it. It will not take you a year, though.
    B

  32. susan says:

    http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/C/Collusion.aspx wouldnt this(comment #417) and the washing of the clothes,and the june 9th date ,and the pizza and the pointing the finger at other people and refusal of a body search ,and the hair brush ,my caylee is missing , all add up to collusion ?

  33. Julie says:

    SCOOPS TONIGHT?…was she meeting Frank Mckeever? The annonymous texter??????? She said her ‘boss’ sent her to the bar to look for his daughter….CAYLEE???? 100000000000000000*’s KLEAT!!!!….She thought he was cooler than icecream IRISH and a criminal and a car salesman ..wow… un BELIEVABLE!!!! I can not beieve how obvious it has been that whole SHAMROCKY bunch of them.

  34. Julie says:

    YOU have to check out the song SNOW WHITE by STREETHEART……HAH….OH YEAH !!!!!!! Casey all the way..and “DOC” Mckeever….talk about her theme song!

  35. melissab says:

    Pardon my lack of brain cells but someone pweez, pweez, tell me why Annie D. is so important to the case. I know of her, remember her but just what is her pivotal role, knowing, covering for, etc.? HHHHeeeelllllpppp! And yes, I still want to be Blink when I grow up!

  36. melissab says:

    #380–I actually have an answer!!!! While Casey was being processed into jail she asked the other girls waiting with her if they knew a good lawyer and someone gave her Baez’ name out of the blue. Totally random. I did see this on her jailhouse phone calls with her family-the early ones. You’ll have to do some research to find it but it is very early on.

  37. suz says:

    Kleat, re: #380, can you say more about what makes you think that kc knew Baez from earlier? The way Geo describes it, kc says she found him the first time she was incarcerated and had asked around for a good lawyer. Geo originally thought he was a court appointed lawyer, not a lawyer for hire cuz how was she going to pay for it?

    To me, when geo says he doesn’t like the guy from personal experience, it means the few times he has had contact with Baez he already doesn’t like him. What am I missing? Tho I realize that anytime a sentence starts with “kc says,” the next bit is suspect.

  38. suz says:

    Here are some Geo quotes re: Baez (from one of his taped interviews)

    “I don`t like this freaking attorney that she has. I can tell you that right now from personal experience, I don`t like the guy. I told you that guy, I`ve become — my daughter talked to someone when you guys initially incarcerated her.

    “And I guess whoever she talked to, you know, according to my daughter now, this is what Mr. Baez told me, or Jose, I`ll just call him that, says — told, Jose Baez, I asked someone who`s a good attorney? And she has $5,000 supposedly or at least $1400 of it, to give to him as a retainer to assist.

    “We did not contact this man. We initially — when he came to our — called us, we thought the guy was a court appointed attorney. And you know, that`s what we though, because my daughter does not — I don`t think she has any money.”

  39. Nina says:

    Blink,

    I have been following this case from the very start. I live in the outskirts of Orlando and I stumbled upon your website a couple of days ago as I was reading through some of the blogs on wftv.com

    I’d like to thank you for all of the information that you have up and for keeping this case fresh in peoples minds (true enough its plastered on all the news stations here– but great to know that there is other info out there besides what the news stations report)

    And YES—- IMO, Cindy had to of known….. why else would she admittingly state that she didnt give Caylees hairbrush to LE on purpose? Any doting grandma who still has hopes of finding their granddaughter alive will cooperate with ANY & EVERYTHING!

    Again–THANKS FOR ALL U DO N I look forward to your next posting!

  40. Kleat says:

    melissab, read the story and look at the photos with said story and you can get the idea about Annie. Pay attention to how old Zenaida Gonzalez is, (or is not– it’s not the Mr. M’s client).

    suz, you are right, but I’m just wondering what ‘personal experience George had with Baez before all this happened, if anything. It’s just a feeling from this statement by July 24: “I don’t like this friggin’ attorney she has, I can tell you that from personal experience, I don’t like the guy.’

    Baez is the one who told George how Casey contacted him (booking chat etc) as per this 24th interview. So it does come down to Casey’s word on this issue, or Baez repeating what his client told him to say and he’s not saying ‘else’. I just found it strange the way George said ‘personal experience’, maybe I read ‘past’ personal experience into it and didn’t realize how much George might have talked to Baez between July 16 and the interview date.

  41. Kleat says:

    oh oh, you posted in the meantime! Sorry for repeating quotes– didn’t see suz’s latest. I think this issue is rested now– let’s see how things play out. Maybe it’s just the simple explanation afterall.

  42. Sue says:

    Wow! Great insight and great posts! Took me a few days to read through it all….Anyway, I don’t want to lead anyone astray here, so please correct me if I am wrong, but back in 2008, I remember an interview with LP on the NG show. That night, LP stated that someone saw Casey in the parking lot of a hotel, pacing back and forth, talking on the cell phone to someone at 1:15 a.m. 6/16/08 shortly after the huge fight she had with her mother Cindy. This has always stuck out in my mind, because it establishes a more realistic timeline for me. At 1:15 a.m. that night, Casey would have still been agitated enough with the violent, physical, emotionally-charged fight she had with her mother Cindy, which I believe then led Casey to storm out of the house before midnight with Caylee in tow and then the rage became so overwhelming, that she murdered Caylee shortly thereafter. I don’t believe that she had the “famous ducttape” on her at that time, but I believe she either strangled Caylee or asphyxiated her somehow due to the rages within her shortly after the fight. On the day of 6/16, after George left for work, Casey pulled into the garage and there she had access to the ducttape, the garbage bags etc. etc. Then she began to diabolically plot the “cover-up” of the death of her daughter. Of course it went from “accidental drowning in the family pool” to the “kidnapping of Caylee by a phanthom babysitter.” (Later on down the road, it was setting up innocent people to take the fall for Caylee’s death.) She made many cell phone calls to various people that afternoon too. Don’t know if she spoke to anyone though. The rest of her movements, we can ascertain from interviews with friends, family, etc. By that afternoon on 6/16 though, the affects of the “O” factor would have kicked in, and noises and fluids coming from the nose, throat, tongue etc. would have been very pronounced indeed. Hence, the over-kill of the ducttape.

    I noticed too, from the autopsy report, that the hyoid bone was separated from the body at time of discovery. Could that mean that Caylee was strangled and the tiny bone detached from its place in the throat? Or does that happen on occasion even without strangulation?

    Thank you Blink for this coverage. Without it, all us “justice-minded people” would be even more frustrated by this terrible tragedy. At least we have a semblance of truth now and we hope some semblace of justice in the near future.

  43. susan says:

    yes irish casey o marie ,i’ve often wondered if goerge is really her father,he says in police interview that had very little to do with her up bringing.but i agree blink her birthday being two days after st paddy’s day .

  44. lovingmomof3 says:

    Cant wait for Justice 4 Caylee to be served!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  45. suz says:

    Sue #442, in fact, the hyoid bone was never even found so sadly we won’t know if it had a story to tell. : (

  46. Julie says:

    Susan comment #443,,,I agree. Blink….the birthdate thing for sure has a lot to do with the Irish stuff….but logic tells me ALL her friends wear shamrocks and shamrock tatoos ect caps all for HER birthday!!!!!!!!! PLUS KIO MARIE worked for an IRISH tour place (travel place) C”MON!!!! I googled an image search for SCOOPS in Florida a GUY IS WEARING a shamrock hat again in the bar!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Caylee wearing also that KISS ME I”M IRISH shirt!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY! There is soooooooooo much more to it than her near St.Patricks day birthday.Her PAssport??????????that…Cindy DENIES she had????????

  47. Riddlemethis says:

    Sue,
    post #442, interesting I don’t remember the hotel thing being mentioned.

    Regarding the hyoid, it was not recovered.
    Pg 4 of 13 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html

    I linked to dr baden’s site in an earlier post. Somewhere on there he mentions until after 40, the hyoid is so flexible it often does not give clues. So, I’m not sure what they would’ve been able to tell anyway. Further, body was…..well let’s just say….. just read the link re: disarticulated.

  48. Riddlemethis says:

    Sorry Sue, I just re-read your post…and think I just misunderstood what you were saying regarding the hyoid in 442. Again though don’t think they could’ve determined much based on Baden info.

    Riddle If I may add. The Hyoid bone in itself is quite “soft” (again I am being intentionally vague) and is attatched via ligament, or soft tissue. In that instance, it is not unusual for it to not be intact given the extent of the decomposition. It is highly important in cause of death, but given this evidence, cannot be viewed as suspect by it’s non-recovery, imo.
    B

  49. suz says:

    So for those who believe casey killed caylee, was it:

    A) Done in a moment of rage with intent to kill the child?

    b) Done in a moment of rage without intending to kill the child?

    C) Done in cold blood with all that (seeming) premeditation of the creepy gooogle searches?

    D) An accident (either a real accident of neglect like drowning, or a creepy accident like chloroform overdose when she only meant to knock her out)?

    If you go with C, premeditation, why do you think casey didn’t seem to have thought through what to do with the body?

    Also, if premeditated, what do you see as the motive? If just wanting to be unburdened of the child, why not just let Cin have custody if it’s true that Cin wanted or threatened that?

    I always hope it’s a terrible accident or moment-of-rage-without- intent-to-kill (followed by the staged kidnapping duct taping), but of course I am not sure. Just curious as to what others think.

  50. Maura says:

    Responding to comment by Riddlemethis — June 26, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

    Florida only requires a simple majority (7 or more of the 12 jurors) to vote in favor of the death penalty, but this penalty-phase vote is only a recommendation. The judge is the one who ultimately makes the decision.

    Because of a US Supreme Court ruling, no convicts may be put to death in the US unless a jury has voted for the DP. So in Florida, even though the jury’s penalty vote is only a recommendation, if seven or more jurors vote for death, the judge may sentence the convict to death or LWOP. But if the jury votes for LWOP, the judge cannot impose death.

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