Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Brad Conway Releasing New Evidence
Orlando, FL– Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony vows to release evidence during an 11 am press conference today in his office that raise “serious questions about this case”.
Following the release of the lastest round of discovery, Conway announced there were items that were supposed to be released by the State Attorney’s office yesterday, that were not.
Since Mr. Conway has no legal standing to release anything on behalf of the State Attorney’s office, it is surmised such information was supplied by his clients, George and Cindy. George and Cindy Anthony were previously represented by Orlando attorney Mark Nejame.
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# 225-Trilogy-Good find Kleat, I am working on this as we speak.
B
Blink,
What are you working on, a story for us, or talking points, or investigation that will be passed onto someone else?
Review of the Discovery and my intrepretation. Right after that I am going to retake my failed statistics and probabilities exam for relaxation.
OMG I want someone to group this data better.
B
Why cant these forensics people word these documents in easy to understand language so you dont need to read them 1000 times and you dont need a team of lawyers to interpret them. You shouldn’t have to interpret this kind of information. It should be clear as day.
Even the lawyers dont understand them. It’s worse than trying to interpret tax laws.
No wonder congress doesn’t read thier own bills. If they did then they would have to explain them. They dont understand them either. And most of them are lawyers. Oh God, I am confused.
#242 Westsidehudson
I would just bet Maura and Silver are busy searching and researching, if they dont have anything better to do.
suz, well, dna can be found in such tiny amounts now, touch, that there are controls in place– if the dna was in some huge amount– that could be sloppy but it wasn’t a mix-up– there are good lab procedures in place but in any lab procedure, it’s not without error– there is tolerable error and the source of the dna has been attributed to someone in the lab– so that is no longer an issue. It happens, this isn’t tv csi. It does not diminish any other results, and it’s in one way, reassuring to know that these tests ARE detecting the tiniest samples. It’s just part of the process– no other dna means that the environment probably just took its toll on the tape by degrading dna.
There might be other chemical processes that use lab chemicals, because they are present in results, that is to be expected (this is just an example– I don’t know, just makes sense) and the results will take those results into consideration as a normal testing function– like a baseline.
The person with the dna may have killed Caylee– but common sense and alibi’s, will come into play.
you’re welcome, Dee– I figure sometimes, it’s just needed, and sometimes it seems appropriate with the right cues.
… oh, common sense, alibi’s and over and above that, REASONS that the dna would be found in results. I’m sure there will be discussions about ‘sloppy’ vs ‘tolerable’ error, and besides, the state can handle that, the defense can challenge, and the jury will decide if it causes concerns about all the results done by one or more technicians or all of Quantico.
Suz #247 “But if you were really cynical, wouldn’t you wonder if they’re so sloppy, how you can trust anything they are finding over in Quantico”
I think that I would trust everything they do at Quantico waaaaaaaaaaaay before I would ever trust ANY evidence released by Baez and Co., the Anthonys or Brad Conway
Ricardo worked in an auto parts department, didn’t he? That would be an excellent place to get a hold of some of that specialty heat resistant duct tape. Ricardo’s apartment was ‘Zanny’s apartment as we know from Cindy via Casey (‘told … over and over’).
Who put the duct tape on the gas can and when– is a good question– Casey? Did Tony happen to pay attention at all to that?
great post, Shelly– comes at a good time for a review of our perspective. The defense wants us to have tunnel vision, getting so wrapped up in the small stuff (like that dna and hair) that people forget the whole picture– yes, forensics are important, but so is the ‘big picture’.
#207-Wendy
Wow….Amen, Sister!…Amen…My thought exactly.
Today may be the day for snark, but I usuallly watch NBC in the morning.Today I went back and watched video of Baez & Co on the Early Show. Does the Early Show usually put towels over the furniture where their guests sit or just today? And if as Baez says, the defense is not going to release any information until the trial to prove Casey is innocent, why should the state? Yet they keep saying there is no evidence to prove Casey murdered her own child. Has the state released all the evidence?
westside…from your posts #204, 206, I get the impression that you may have also wondered what the heck Casey might have told her Dream Team about her missing child. She can’t be sticking with the two stories she told pre-incarceration. Both of those tales named gang accessory Zenaida (who had once commanded a $1400/ month salary from Casey… and “well worth it!”) as chief culprit. As we have noted, the search for miscreants was half-hearted and miserably understated by both the defense team and family of the “distraught young mother”.
Not many worries about finding Caylee healthy and happy seemed to trouble then into decisive action to find her, since, as Cindy told Larry King on her first appearance on the show, “We believe she was taken…by this … er…Zenaida…(Cindy had the grace to look down and not at Larry!)and…because she loved her…she is taking good care of her.” (Paraphrasing.)
The Anthony defense/family collaboration seemed never to have settled on any one suspicious character or motive in Caylee’s disappearance. After discovery of her body, Caylee’s family were having strategic media meetings at the Ritz over a gourmet dinner, but never at the scene awaiting news of the identity, nor ever uttering any outcries to find the evil person who did this heinous act to their baby grandaughter.
According to news interviews with the grief-stricken grandparents, the perps were pastured nearby, being carefully tracked and monitored by George and “unpaid assistants”. At other times, the kidnappers were free-grazing animals of the entire east coast, Texas and Puerto Rico. We were exhorted to stop gossiping about minor glitches in Casey’s story, get up off our collective backsides and go find Caylee…er…wherever!
Casey’s get-out-of-jail-free team must have been told a third or even fourth story — one which required no international search for a kidnapper/killer, and one which would make a little more sense to the prospective jury pool. Perhaps it could be a story pertaining to a pool accident and subsequent Casey cover-up because the despairing young mom was so terrified of confessing said tragedy to termagant Cindy. It should be a story, which in the real world, might have enough logic to fit a jury’s cogitation–a story which would make us all eventually sigh a collective “Ah,so!! Everything makes sense, now!”
Huh? If the trial is a year away, that means her team would keep her in jail for over two years proclaiming her innocence when this supposed accident theory or even a negligence theory could free her or reduce her sentence? Sounds as if she hasn’t told them anything beyond what she has already admitted: She lost her child by trusting in a person, who, as Cindy likes to describe, “betrayed her”. If LE didn’t frighten her, and Cindy is kept away from her, Casey may be going with same old, same old. That’s hard to believe, though.
Does Casey have to tell them, anything? Does defense ever just go with the idiotic flow of a client’s bogus tales and warn them not to talk “not even to me.” I know that a client is not supposed to lie to their attorney, but I’ve heard some lawyers just don’t want to hear anything at all from their clients.
I recall Scott Peterson’s lawyer promising much the same kind of “All will be revealed at trial” defense. There was no great revelation beyond blaming ephemeral tramps and homeless people for Lacey’s disappearance and murder. Thud. Conviction. LWOP. Does Casey’s team think they are above all that?
What goes? What could Casey have told her defense? Would she have spent all those hours with Baez telling the same bad-nanny-Zenaida stories? Especially when we know some of her acquaintances appear to be up for the nanny role. The defense is naysaying the forensics. Maybe they are not going to put forth a defense, just an attack. Probably a simplistic concern on my part, but the question aggravates me. What has she told her team?
Just watched the Baden & Baez interview with Matt Lauer. Can someone please tell me how Mrs. Baden can sit there and say they want a change of venue, because Casey will not get a fair trial when these people and Cindy (don’t forget 48 hrs) go on National TV and spout their rhetoric about innocence. Hellooo!
Sayyyy, any idea if that producer for 48 Hours who is accused of attempting to blackmail David Letterman is the same producer of the upcoming Anthony segment? Instant karma, if so! hee hee hee
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/02/crimesider/entry5358719.shtml?tag=cbsnewsCrimesiderArea.0
right?
B
Are comments being deleted?
No.
Heh? This site is moderated. On occasion, the software will delete links that fall under a filter.
B
My apologies. I’ll stick to reading. I hope the prosecution is referencing this site. AMAZING CONTRIBUTORS! =)
Regarding Casey’s story: don’t you think she will wait until all the evidence is released before deciding what to go with? Personally, I believe that Baez and George and Cindy all knew approximately where Caylee was dumped. They were just hoping she would never be found. The way the Anthonys seem to work is to adjust their mistruths to the newest evidence with a straight face while hoping we don’t remember that they said something else just a little earlier. All the lawyers involved with the Anthonys are sucked into this, including Brad Conway. He needs to renounce the Devil and escape before he loses all right to a decent reputation.
BREAKING NEWS!!!! WFTV Discovers Possible Duct Tape Link In Casey Case
Posted: 5:06 pm EDT October 2, 2009Updated: 5:45 pm EDT October 2, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — It’s the duct tape that could strengthen the link between Casey Anthony and her daughter’s body and it was discovered only by Eyewitness News.
Eyewitness News found the same rare type of tape that was found on Caylee’s skull being used by the Anthony family on a Caylee Anthony poster.
You can’t buy the tape from Home Depot. It is industrial-grade duct tape that hasn’t been sold in years.
DOCUMENT: State’s Case File On Duct Tape
With the debate over the duct tape evidence intensifying this week, Eyewitness News re-analyzed video that was taken in the months before Caylee’s body was found.
The discovery could make it even more difficult for the defense to argue that Casey didn’t put the tape over Caylee’s mouth. The defense has really been trying to shoot down the duct tape evidence recently.
However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey’s arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys’ Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys’ gas can and the tape found over Caylee’s mouth.
A photo of the duct tape on the Anthonys’ gas can, which is the one Casey is accused of stealing from her parents in June of 2008, shows distinct markings that it’s made by the Henkel Company and shows some of the specifications.
In July of 2008, the Anthonys had set up a command post and put up posters with Caylee’s photo on them. They used what appeared to be the same duct tape with Henkel logo.
Both pieces, which apparently came from the Anthonys’ home, appear to be the same kind of rare duct tape according to page number 3378 in the state’s case file, (read document) that investigators found over Caylee’s mouth when her remains were found in the woods near the Anthonys’ home.
Page number 3378, shows that the FBI says the duct tape found over Caylee’s skull showed the same black oval Henkel logo and the “spec max temp 200 degrees Fahrenheit”
The FBI says it’s an industrial tape that hasn’t been made for years.
Court documents show the defense has had the FBI photos of the duct tape that was over Caylee’s mouth, showing the Henkel logo which matches the Anthonys’ duct tape, since March.
my posts aren’t going thru–
they are, maybe not as fast you though
B
“The state is not playing the media game.”
Say what? And the 10,000 plus documents released so far is what?
While the state isn’t directly speaking to the media…it doesn’t mean they aren’t ‘talking’, in fact they have, 10,000 pages worth.
When was Casey offered a plea? I recall a quote from the SAO saying there has been NO plea offered.
Re # 261
I have a question for all and any of you amazingly informed folks….
is all the media material ( e.g. George saying they were watching the perps) going to be admissible at trial?
Will the jury see this stuff?
I sure hope so…
some very crazy stuff over the last year.
Just wondering if anyone knows since the defense team of Casey Anthony is making the rounds on the national morning show outlets, not the local news outlets will there be a need now for change of venue for the upcoming murder trail?
If you believe Anthony’s and Company are pandering to potential jurors….would you say the same thing about the state releasing 10,000 documents pertaining to the case?
Don’t you think it’s safe to say that 10,000 pages of information also influences potential jurors?
I think you can’t rewrite a state’s PI laws after the crime has been committed and it’s not helping the accused.
In general I would remind you the State sought a gag order which Baez fought.
Now What?
B
kidding, but you get the idea
*”Right after that I am going to retake my failed statistics and probabilities exam for relaxation.”
Blink, no offense, but that really is a hilariously unusual way to relax. I took the class a while ago, although it didn’t stress me out, I never considered it particularly relaxing. However, I suppose compared this this case, it might seem serene.
# 261-Comment by MsEnscene — October 2, 2009 @ 3:12 pm
Yeah, I am completely befuddled. I don’t know how they can coherently tie all of this stuff together, or deflect it away. It has to make sense. I’ve got to assume, or hope, that there is at least one analytical person on the jury. The 31 days needs to be explained better than “people do stupid things” or “ugly coping”. She had no outward appearance of discomfort, let alone grief or concern, she lied and avoided her parents. Then her parents went on the “Magical mystery tour” of excuses, accusations and diversions. (They have sunk her ship, more than she has)
your quote “Probably a simplistic concern on my part, but the question aggravates me. What has she told her team?”
I may be out there, but I believe a naive, ambitious Jose Baez took her word at face value (initially) and made awful mistakes transmitting those words on the airways, instead of making vague statements. This locked in the defense. If this case wouldn’t have gotten so big, it might not have held the same level of consequence. (Yes, in a way, I feel bad for him, but he did move beyond my side of ethics in the process). She must be convincing, She had all of her friends (sort of) believing her BS. Hell, maybe they should throw her on the stand, if she insists on ‘going for broke’! Maybe she’ll convince a juror or two.
F A C E T I O U S. I am capable, it is no longer a rumor. I needed that laugh, thanks oodles.
Off to Quantum physics for dipchits.
B
If you accept Dr. Levy’s explanation (many here have quoted him on the subject) about no DNA present b/c duct tape was so degraded….how is it possible that they were able to lift a decent print? Assuming there is one…
Blink- I never said ‘non-print’…I merely brought up the point that (because of degradation) the prints they lift(if they have actually found a print) are possibly poor quality prints (i.e.-low point prints or a partial print).
I’m not the one that made the duct tape a big part of the case, the state did that when they amended their indictment using the duct tape as the aggravating circumstance (DP).
I agree they have Peggy, with good reason. You really think they would have done that if they could not tie her to that?
B
Isn’t it ironic that each time either the defense or The Anthony’s come on TV to spin their lies to protect Casey it backfires within a day or so-big time! Another ironic thing…the same rare duct tape that was used in this horrendous crime not only ties back to the gas cans but on the posters George and Cindy hung up…God works in mysterious ways…There will be justice for Caylee!
So now guess where that special duct tape has surfaced? WFTV has footage of George using the special duct tape putting up Caylee posters on July 20th!!!
post 207 is probably the best i’ve seen on this case WOW WHAT TO ADD…that should be published in the orlandosentinel!!! for everyone everywhere to read! MEGA MEGA AMENS WENDY!!
Oh, and thank you to anyone that reads or responds to my comments.
FYI- I am not a Casey supporter. I actually think she is guilty,but,am I convinced it was murder? No, not yet, I’ll reserve that opinion until I’ve heard all the evidence.
I am appalled at how the state of Florida has handled this case, mainly b/c of the uber-liberal sunshine law. IMO, Floridians ‘right to know’ should NOT supersede a defendant’s (Casey’s) right to a fair trial.
Enough ranting from me
I’ll shut up now!
wftv news (Kathy preporting) claiming to have found a Caylee poster from back in July that came from Anthonys home with DUCK TAPE ON IT WITH same markings and something obout temperature markings. That is all I caught. Maybe others heard it better.
LOL, no they did, working on my piece now, hilarious…
If not for the fact this sweet baby were not the pawn in this sick game of theirs.
B
Just found this
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-wesh-rebut-defense-team-on-evidence.html
Hey maybe there will be A’s prints on the poster duct tape.
Blink, I couldn’t get my post through earlier, but Suzee’s covered it… I only can add that the old saying ‘what goes around, comes around’ has never found a more fitting example!!!
(PS: I tried to comment on the gas can small vent cap– yes, shows clearly that’s what the tape must be covering, perhaps to hold it in place for some reason– or maybe it’s just a spout without cap or properly fitting cap! (now wouldn’t that be nice to ride around with in your trunk!)
Can you imagine how many pieces of that tape are still stuck to a pole or utility box somewhere? And how many posters would people have taken down and tossed when they learned the search was over. How many would have been tossed somewhere, but not got into a garbage yet. People could come out of the woodwork with examples of the poster with that same tape on it– taken as a memorial or momento and put away in a box somewhere.
Maybe George had a ‘supply’ of the stuff, from an old job– oh, think I said that some time ago, when speculating about the source of that rare tape that gets used in automotive applications.
The wftv story is HUGE, they have images of the command post the Ants set up showng posters hung with the same duct tape. The family spokeswoman said “they dont respond to anything that hasnt been brought in as evidence. Well, Im sure these photos will be entered in as evidence soon – now that is a true bombshell!
(I’m recalling a comment Cindy made to the press outside Judge Strickland’s court, after a bond hearing last summer, she was ranting on as George tried to coax her away and to stop talking– she said in her flurry of words about no evidence, car smell etc. “I’m a nurse of decomposition…” Obviously a slip… but she may have intended to say that being a nurse, she had knowledge of decomposition…’ (so we should all definitely, positively, and absolutely, believe Cindy when she says that’s PIZZA!!)
I don’t know she can talk about the C and P decomp words (if she was ‘justsayin111), when the baby is so fresh in their minds, the loss so fresh (so Conway claims). Cindy must be harder than the average person, even when it’s her own flesh and blood.
(whatcha bet there’s a party at the Baden’s tonight! All the experts gather for an adhesive moment– how to make their arguements STICK!)
I don’t think anyone has addressed just how much Casey was suposedly making at Universal or that sport store to justify being able to pay for a NANNY or clothes for both her and Caylee.
Kleat #286
You crack me up.
Kleat,
Maybe some of those search volunteers that the defense is going to contact will have a souvenier poster for them.
re: Brad– seems telling that Brad explained that he is NOT part of the defense, he did NOT get the discovery from the defense, yet his timing was perfectly in synch with what the defense was doing– how is that, I wonder? He must have known that he was first out of the blocks, to be followed by three national morning shows today with three of Casey’s lawyers (only one of whom is from Florida).
But it’s telling that he made the distinction on the public record– and if he had been given all of the documents by his clients, that he needed for the presser, he would not have been caught with his page-flippin’ hands in the air. Someone told him about that ‘hair’ for which he had no supporting documentation– and he assured the press that it was NOT the defense who had advised him of the hair.
He might be feeling the crush a little, caught between his clients and the defense team. All in all, Brad Conway, defense lawyer, probably has a far better handle on Florida law than the experts brought in by Baez, and obviously he knows more than Baez given the blunders he’s made, according to other Florida lawyers comments, and results of hearings as we have seen ourselves.
I hope Brad survives this with his professionalism intact– he may feel a little more like his client’s ventrilloquist puppet after this week’s presser.
If the A’s are so good at interpreting forensics how come they didn’t read the part about NO PIZZA IN BOX Just saying…
Just becasue a person has the ability to be bolder, headstrong, more flagrant and out right brazen, doesn’t mean they are right. I had a relative once that spoke louder, more defiant, headtronge and brash about her thoughts….so… she made all of us believe she was right. IT IS WRONG!
It is nothing more than “manipulating” other people.
That is how I see Cindy. Just because you (Cindy), have the “ability” to be flagrant, thunderous, bossy, and just plain a loud bully–doesn’t mean you are right.
It is like those people who repeat the same thing over and over and over and you know they are lieing……just because they have the “ability” to be relentless with on going speach doesn’t make what the say the “truth”…..
It comes down to bullying and manipulating.
Cindy has one mission and one mission only—to save her daughter. Can’t you see her standing infront of Caylee’s 8 X 10 and wispering to her….. “You understand, don’t you darling, you know what I have to do, you are resting in peace and feel no more pain…..now I have to do what I can do save my daughter….you understand don’t you….” Then kisses her fingertrips and presses them on Caylee’s picture.
This afternoon I left off reading anymore posts. I became depressed. All I could see was this loud brash Cindy getting her “spin” out there. She is so overbearing I just couldn’t read anymore. So, I left off reading and decided to pop in a “Murder She Wrote” and grab a coke. At least there I can figure out who done it.
Jesica Fletcher is teaching a criminology class. I couldn’t believe what was said right at the begining. This is exactly how I see Cindy and it makes sense!!! She says, “The average person has to do an awful lot of “rationalizing” to justify anthing as drastic as murder……the person has to convice herself there is no other alternative. In the mind of a killer, a person on a razor’s edge of murder, will force herself to “believe” that her crimes are in the service of a greater good…..”
For me she just nailed it on the head. Rationalizing is all Cindy has done since day one. Take all the scenareos and fit them into her puzzle. As a “distorted” grand mother she has to force herself to believe she is sacraficing her Caylee for the greater good. She has confinced herself there is no other alternative.
Things like this makes me crazy. Now more than ever Wendy I appreciate your #207. High Five!
And now all this news about the duct tape located on posters. I have only read a little bit but I hope, so hope, this is the “identical” tape. It has to make their document release yesterday look humiliating. I do hope they are squirming.
One day Cindy will wish she had not chose this path……there is justice.
Post 207 – Wendy you have got to try to stop yourself from making so much sense! Back to reading.
211 Pamela – I think you make a really good point. I personally haven’t had a child abducted so can’t participate in that very personal lobby.
BTW I too have wondered long and hard about Casey’s dreams about ridding herself of G & C vis a vis her fantasy of becoming the mistress of the Anthony residence on Hopespring. Anyway I took in both the tongue in cheek devils advocate aspect and the wondering. I do wonder where that fantasy went.
When Bozo And Lyons said “enough is enough” they said a mouthful! Enough is Enough First of all there are hundreds of highly educated and dedicated scientist, local Police, F.B.I., Media, not to mention millions of caring people that have used their talents, their abilities, and given their time all for one reason…A Child that was murdered and left like trash in the swampy woods! A child that so many of us have grown to “Love” and care enough about and want to see justice is done for this sweet defenceless child. This is not a game yet your slimey tactics, inuendo’s and JUNK DEFENSE have tried everything to convince people that everyone else are mindless idiots and you are going to prove it! Then we have the Grandparents reducing this child to a rotting pizza in the trunk of a car! To add insult to our intelligence the Grandmother has the audacity to display other peoples precious children’s pictures and say “she’s looking for a live Caylee” and subjects more little children to her insane world almost 11 months after Caylee Marie was declared deceased by homicide with duct tape wrapped upon her mouth and nose…….Well yes ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! May God Have Mercy On Your Souls because I have none!
Randie it’s good to vent:) it is healthy i do it all the time and rest assured people like me appreciate the post you posted!! whether i write about it or not…what you said had value!
Another thing I’ve really wondered. What real facts or truths has Casey shared with her counsel? This is difficult to discern from the defense they are mounting – jumping on the horse and riding off in all directions at once. Does anyone think Casey has told even one of them something close to the truth. Nothing they are doing makes me think they believe in either her innocence or an aberrant act of rage or accident, etc. What is Casey saying do you think?
#278 Peggy
The Florida Sunshine Law is part of quite an old ( and ongoing) effort
in Florida to have open and transparent public records.
The voting public of the state supports it, so they must like and appreciate it.
Here is a link to more information:
http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/pages/Law
I should have read all posts before commenting. By “real facts or truths” I strictly intended something within the realm of credulity – no kidnapping, no criminals, something confined to Hopespring Drive where Casey murdered Caylee IMO. Just the straight goods.
I’ve kind of answered my own question. Her lawyers don’t want to know the real truth. They would have to govern themselves accordingly.
Just noticed my words “real truth”. It must be this case. I’ll try again….the truth.