Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Well, here we go again with resppect to the VT students double homicide. Lt. Norman Cray of the Montgomery County Sherrif’s department says it is “a random act”. How in the world does he know what these two kids may have come across or seen? Are we to disregard all the stories of the millions of thousands worth of pot that are grown in the national forests across the nation with the aid of GPS to disperse them? And how were they killed, with what caliber of gun? Handguns or rifles? How tall, roughly were their killers. And what of the gray/silver van running up and down the road? Some derranged country gomer looking for fresh victims? Or someone tending their pot plants? I’m sorry, my BS detector just pegged.
George, will you do me a favor? When your referring to a quote, please list the link, it will help identify the timeline of the information your discussing, and whether or not I can shed light on any updates.
If that is most recent, I find that comment absurd, but if it was the initial comments, it may have been an investigative tactic.
B
susanm (re: #498) You definitely raise some solid logic here regarding the accidental-death-coverup theory. My approach to speculating on this case is taking the few pieces of the puzzle put out for public consumption (though, as B points out, nothing is certain), and arranging them in a way that makes sense to me. MH’s familiarity with the UVA campus and (perhaps) people who live in the area, coupled with her texting once outside the arena (which may or may not have offered LE a lead but it’s still a major part of the conversation) and her direct movement toward the intersection of Copelely Road and Ivy Lane, just, to me, makes it appear she was heading somewhere purposefully. It’s possible she was snatched or charmed into a stranger’s vehicle on the way, but wouldn’t folks at her presumed destination have eventually texted or called her friends in the concert if she never arrived? Maybe asking if she got back in after all? Or, wouldn’t LE have found messages on MH’s phone or texts from said folks asking if she was still coming?
Then again, maybe they did, but wouldn’t that answer the question of where she was heading when she found herself out of the show? I’m not buying this BS that she was seriously going to “hitch” or “find a ride” back to JMU – she doesn’t even live there and it’s 45 minutes away. The concert was to end at 11. Why leave her car, keys and friends to avoid burning two hours in a city she grew up in? I opine that whoever called MH outside the show around 8:45 either heard her wrong or is lying.
Based on my opinion regarding that scenario, I’m led to believe she did indeed have a destination. People there would be expecting her, and even if they never followed-up with anyone that night when she failed to arrive, one would think they’d have spoken out in the days following her disappearance, adding to the timeline or offering clues to where she was headed when she vanished. All of this “she said she would get a ride home and we never heard from/saw her again” is nonsense. Just my speculation obvs, but Snead’s claim that MH was planning to hightail it back to Harrisonburg – for seemingly no reason and without any of her belongings (e.g. makeup kit, jacket or other clothes, her friggin’ keys, etc.) – when she simply could have waited for the concert to end sounds utterly ridiculous.
So, following that logic, if MH was doing the seemingly sensible thing and hanging in Charlottesville for the length of Metallica’s set, the deafening silence from whomever she was planning to meet up with that night makes me think he/she/they are somehow involved in her disappearance.
B- delete if not helpful…. I have a toddler so I do not have time to check out all these links, from the facebook discussion of videos on youtube.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10424
Roxie, I have been through that, but I appreciate the effort just the same. This appears to be CCTV footage. I was feeling maybe someone leaked it, and this was the “indiscernable” images?
Dunno, but I want to.. I got a feeling.
B
#468 Anja
I meant no disrespect to any Metallica fans what so ever.
I am 50 years old and I have been attending rock concerts since I was 12. Led Zeppelin, Alice Copper you name it I have been there just recently went to see Wolf Mother with my son.
But I must admit I always keep a watch out, people like to get crazy at concerts, it is just the nature of the beast. That was all I was trying to say.
I re-read the posts Blink posted from nkscouting.com and the first sentence of last paragraph on the last post displayed is troubling to me.
He places himself in the area of University Hall THAT NIGHT! The players were finished with practice when they came upon Morgan(so we are told) so where was Mr. Kane,in the parking lot as well?
He also posts about the porto potties at the lot….was Morgan headed to the porto when she met up with danger?
There is the sighting on the bridge so I don’t know what to think other than could someone have been driving along side coaxing her inside a vehicle.
Still curious about what kind of car Mr. Kane owns.
I realize he has been red flagged after his absolutely inappropriate posts on the family web-site and being looked at (probably) by LE…but WOW is this person uncomfortable to evaluate.
Im wondering if their has been any word of him being cleared or not.I keep coming back to this character and saying hmmmmm.
#501
Re:comment by J2K
I completely agree. I do not believe for one minute that she said she was going to hitchhike! I really believe they need to press the friends more. Maybe they have who knows but there is too much that is suspicous. My nephew is a Detective in LE and even he feels that this does not add up. Unless there is something we do not know that LE does about the friends, I think they are not being honest or withholding information
To me, Ms. Snead’s demeanor in that early interview has the cold “flat affect” of a sorority pledge mistress whose sisters did something very wrong but who under no circumstances will ever admit it.
Someone is advising MH’s friends not to express their grief publicly. I can’t see why. The Harringtons are grieving on an open website–why aren’t Morgan’s friends? If they were entirely blameless, wouldn’t that be more normal? They could do it in a way that not only would not incriminate them, but would show emotional support for Morgan and her family.
For this generation that records/tweets/videos every move, interesting or otherwise, it’s just unnatural–unless LE has told them to be completely low profile b/c they firmly suspect a predator who could derive pleasure out of seeing the pain s/he has caused.
I am feeling perhaps the friends were cut off from the Harrington’s very early on.
B
I keep coming back to Mr. Kane as well. Just an idea — maybe she knew him somehow?? Internet, school game?? I keep going back to the report about the 44 year old man that she linked arms with and said “lets go” and then cursed and kicked him. What if she knew him and trusted him and when she approached him to say lets go he was concerned because maybe there were a lot of people around and he acted like he didn’t know her which maybe made her angry??? Then, maybe he “picked” her up later. His description of what could have happened to Morgan that he posted on facebook truly gave me the chills. Many others have given their opinion of possible scenerios but his was definately frightening and realistic as he wrote it. This is far fetched I know but I read all of the posts here. This is not a post of fact but just an idea based on things I’ve read here about him and looked into. No news about what color vehicle he drives or if his family business has gray mini vans?? I still certainly hope that LE has and/or is investigating him seriously.
This bothers me too. This woman – 23 years old – is missing from Lynchburg VA too. Lynchburg is kind of between Charlottesvill and Roanoke . http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/news/local/article/lynchburg_police_seek_missing_woman/21352/
Probably not related but theres the precious kids from VT killed, Cassandra Morton, 23 in Lynchburg on Oct 10 (last seen) and then Morgan on Oct 17 in Charlottesville.
Interesting posts Debbie, I wonder if the cases are connected. I tend to agree with your thoughts though on Kane, dude gives me the creeps.
Being a fellow Metallica fan I feel a connection to MH and hope she is found soon and that LE catches the bg. This is really sad and infuriating. Keepin on praying for MH and family…
Quote #501 “I am feeling perhaps the friends were cut off from the Harrington’s very early on.”
B
Agreed , I am anxiously awaiting some reference to Morgan’s “friends” in the journal notes of Gil Harrington posted on findmorgan.com. I am inclined to believe, being these friends were close with Morgan , present the day in question , Gil must have spent much time talking with these friends . I am sure Gil’s daily notes will clearly reference this and the confidence the Harrington’s have in the statements from the “friend’s”, Shouldn’t we see some of this in her notes ?
We must consider “Eye witness” statements are one of the LEAST credible pieces of evidence LE could have to work with .
We don’t know what happened inside JPJA and I feel it hold’s huge clue .
Again I state , LE HAS NOTHING IN MY OPINION .
I will sit back and wait for Gil to talk about the little elusive darling’s .
#499
Blink,
Do we know when this JVM show was taped?
This new footage,IMO whether or not it is Morgan, would go a long way in showing the public and the Harrington’s that LE is still looking for information about Morgan’s interactions that night. Since it has already been let out of the bag, why not have the public view it? It could revive the publics’ waning attention.
Mr. Harrington seemed to be at a loss regarding this footage:
JVM: “I mean, are they trying to make that sharper so that — there it is. What are cops doing to try to zoom in on that to see who she was hanging with and what was going on there, sir?”
HARRINGTON: “I don`t know the information of that.”
Also, on this same JVM Show, according to Mr. Harrington, Morgan was never seen getting into a vehicle. Also,he never confirmed that she was hitching-only that she was seen on the bridge.
JVM-”But I want to clarify, because there are so many different reports and things sort of — it`s a game of telephone. Was she seen getting into a car, or was she seen looking for a ride?”
D. HARRINGTON: “No, she was seen — she was seen on the bridge, but, again, there is no report that she was getting into a car. And that`s the piece that the police hope that someone will be able to give information that they saw Morgan maybe getting into a car and they would be able to give a description.”
Response to Debbie and attn. Blink
509. Comment by Debbie Mitchell — November 27, 2009 @ 6:34 pm
This bothers me too. This woman – 23 years old – is missing from Lynchburg VA too. Lynchburg is kind of between Charlottesvill and Roanoke . http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/news/local/article/lynchburg_police_seek_missing_woman/21352/
Probably not related but theres the precious kids from VT killed, Cassandra Morton, 23 in Lynchburg on Oct 10 (last seen) and then Morgan on Oct 17 in Charlottesville.
AGREED Debbie!
This is another case of the atrocious quality of news reporting in our region!! Lynchburg is only 45 minutes south of Albemarle County; a straight drive down on rt 29.The worst part is all this regional news is owned/produced by “Media General”…surely they can do better by the citizens of Virginia.
I posted this comment earlier on Part I.
Comment by cvilleconcerned — November 27, 2009 @ 11:37 am
We do not have any aggressive reporting in Charlottesville. If it were not for the Hook (our free community paper), we would not have had any detailed reports about Morgan; or any other topical concerns in the region.Who can say if the UTS(University Transit System)drivers were interviewed? Those buses are operated by the University of Virginia and are often driven by students. Once again, this would have involved the UVA exclusively…I do not know what kind of overriding jurisdiction the State Police would have against a State institution?? No one is saying.
DTA (#506) I agree with your agreement. I think that the friends were pressed. Hard. At the get-go, a statement was obtained from them re: when MH told allegedly told someone she’d “find a ride home.” If that was the initial statement, they’re kind of stuck with it (unfortunately for them) until LE untangles the case. I don’t doubt that SS and the others have been in and out of interview rooms with VSP for the last month, and it’s possible the initial story has changed on their end but is not being made public yet for a good reason. After all, if they fabricated their account of the 8:48 pm phone call with MH, then they had a vested interest in placing her on her way out of Cville.
NYMom, B (#507) Totally agreed. Let’s say the initial statement about Morgan expressing her intent to leave the area without them was indeed a (lame) lie designed to thwart the case. It seems between then and a month of vetted witnesses, search warrants on phone information, and extensive interviews, the friends’ paper-thin explanation could have been easily punctured. It would then make sense that we have heard nary a word from them as they are POIs themselves.
(Laughably) ill-thought-out lies = culpability to some degree.
Dakota
Here is one of Gil Harrington’s blogs, November 8, almost 3 weeks, where she makes mention of Morgan’s roommate, etc…
It was reposted yesterday, November 26.
“Gil’s Harrington’s thoughts from 11/8
On November – 26 – 2009 8 COMMENTS
Part of this journey is embracing and being embraced by an ever expanding circle of family and connections. The pain is profound, but made bearable by the love and support we are bathed with. Morgan’s roommate was here to visit today and I gave her the funky tie-die t-shirt Morgan had chosen for her as a birthday gift.
I am determined to keep the connections and caring and love flowing. I refuse to let the pain ferment and grow especially in these young, impressionable lives. Enough is enough. It is imperative to me that we limit the collateral damage of Morgan’s abduction. We are all hurting, but we can hold each other up and find a new way.”
http://findmorgan.com/category/family-blog
as a regular reader of Blink, I’m so confused on this story! How does a girl who looks like she does, go missing…without anyone really having a clue! I’m still trying to go with the grandmother’s story of a fight in the parking lot. The thought of it being a friend’s boyfriend or ex-boyfriend keeps popping up in my head. It’s usually a given that u don’t mess with a friend’s man or ex-man, maybe that’s why there’s so many different ideas of what happened! I don’t believe for 1 second she was hitchhiking. The bridge story has to be total BS. I believe it to be a single person involved and not the basketball team, could they have seen her? Yes….but to do something hurtful to her just doesn’t fit.
Again Blink on crime is the best place to get true info. even if it’s alot of smart people trying to get together and see if they can help.
LE is so tight lipped on this case, it’s insane! I feel so saddened for her family, I truly hope they get the justification they need!
J2K 501 -
I think that you and I are on the same page to a certain degree.
- I do not think that she ever intended to hitchhike anywhere
- I also agree that the friends are holding out on info.
What I am not sure of is the bridge sighting. The last verifiable sighting that I am aware of is the BB players.
- However I do not feel that they have anything to do with her disappearance.
- Possible that she thought she could contact someone she knew in the area, but never actually made contact ( Due to the fact that she lost her phone. I don’t know about you, but with cell phones today I barely can remember my own phone # much less anyone else’s). Maybe she knew where they lived and was just trying to get to their home.
That would give her a destination.
Obviously, where our thoughts differ is that I still feel that she was abducted by an unknown person. While she was on her way to ???
Is there any evidence/reason to believe that Morgan and her friends rented a room somewhere prior to going to the concert, were partying there, and that was the planned post-concert meeting place? It could have been someplace outside of town on the way back to H-burg/JMU. It’s possible there could have been other people included in the party who were not going to the concert, just stayed behind until they got back, or went to an off/on campus party with some UVa people they knew. Maybe Morgan wanted to be back at the room more than she wanted to see the concert for one reason or another, and that’s where she was headed. It just seems to make more sense to me that she had a destination in mind, someplace she probably felt was safe. Did she ever get there? Is that where something happened? The Boyd’s Tavern thing is really important, I think, if it’s true.
To WPG -
The goose is not wild yet, lol. Thanks for bringing the geese.
Fondly,
B
(Georgie — I would also like to know if the Boyd’s Tavern incident is part of this.)
Question to the CV locals: Do people around town/campus feel there’s a predator loose? Is there a feeling of fear? The reason I ask is because if LE’s investigation is suggesting a crime of predation, then in the interest of Public Safety I would think they have a responsibility to the public to release more information.
But the fact that they have been discreet about the release of details, photos, etc. seems to suggest that they might be following something other than a predator situation. Maybe something that isn’t an issue of public safety (GG gone BG, overdose, manslaughter, negligence, etc.)
But then I wonder, why haven’t they released anything to calm people’s fears? Is it because there is no evidence that a crime actually took place?
The wild goose yesterday on the gas grill, not so much. Turkey in oven with a hostess gift of exquistit spiral ham, shazamm.
That elusive JVM video comment–please people, remember your source of information. What are the
odds of some great video being out there that Blink doesn’t know about? The Nancy Grace and Jane Valez shows continually put up incorrect information and even when corrected, they continue on their path of misinformation.
We’ve been a little thwarted in getting information on the security cameras at the Metallica venue. Naturally. Security at work. That means that local people and true journalists have to use their influence to find out what evidence we might actually be able to evaluate. Those who worked the concert and have heard something, should put it out for public vetting. As a concerned bystander, I’ve always asked questions whenever possible.
Yet, at the end of the day, we might have no new information or credible sources. C’est la vie, oui?
It is likely that Morgan was lured (entranced) or manipulated out of the arena. There is no other logical implication. (Yes, we have a sense of her true nature, her family tension, etc). Bad people lurk everywhere. Kudos to Sweet Pea. This was not, in any sense of the word, a random act.
But I do not claim to know if it was opportunistic.
When I ate trout at the Sherlock Holmes pub in London, I was deceived by someone who asked If I want ed the head removed. Their response was to enchanch the fish eye with a fork. Bad actors, yes, but let’s make sure we are asking for what we want to get.
cvilleconcerned (re: #513) It definitely adds perspective to see your and Debbie’s compilation of recent missing persons cases/murders of young people in your region.
However, in regard to area media outlets falling short of due diligence in underlining potential connections in the rash of tragedies, I submit (as someone with a background in local and regional reporting elsewhere) that a publication or media conglomerate cannot report or draw conclusions on potential crime connections that have not been verified by the LE officials involved.
I can’t speak to what Virginians may perceive as shortcomings in localized investigative reporting, but muckraking journalism is reliant on access to public documents, legal transcripts, OPRA requests to LE (who have every right to withhold info during an active investigation), etc. – basically, the reporters and their editors only have access to the same kiddie-pool of info we do… and it would be irresponsible/litigious for a newspaper or other media outlets to publish thought-provoking (but often baseless) theories or conclusions, such as those posited on, say, this blog. (That’s why we can be thankful for B and the likes of ScaredMonkeys.com for this essential outlet.)
That said, I understand your frustration and sympathize.
wpgmouse (re: #515) Your post spotlighting Gil’s last blog reference to her affection for MH’s roommate and her protective instincts toward MH’s friends drove home for me the fact that speculating in a vacuum, and making inferences from sporadic little tidbits of info, can wildly veer one’s thoughts in the wrong direction – and who’s to know? (Well, someone does.) I don’t think it hurts to exercise our brains proposing theories or pointing to inconsistencies and attempting to draw out their meanings, but your comment reminded me it’s important to keep in mind that an active case based on evidence – including findings the public has not been made aware of yet – is (hopefully) being conducted, and LE’s conclusions are all that really matter.
sweetpea (re: #517) Good point about the last verifiable sighting being in the RV lot, not on the bridge. Although, while not verified, LE seems to believe that’s where she headed from the RV lot. I wonder if that was inferred from the BB players and bolstered by unverifiable witness reports supporting the claim.
You also make a good point about her local calls or texts. Nothing has been released stating she made contact with people locally in the UVA area, so my theory that she would have *had* to connect with someone other than SS and the mystery textee that night if she had a destination in mind is an inconclusive assumption. It’s a strong possibility, imo, but I’m not married to the belief she disappeared amongst friends, and I should probably rein in accusations that a friend of the grieving family is lying or attempted to assist in a coverup.
Hi all..back again.
I have read only some of the postings (This holiday is keeping me busy) hoping for some new info….
Anyway, I have re-created the story to some of my colleagues (again) to which most have decided ONLY 2 possible scenarios.
1.Runaway
2.non-stranger abduction (boyfriend/hookup or drug deal gone bad)
And unfortunately, I would have to agree. The more I explained everything…the more everything made sense.
There could only be 2 possible scenarios
(1)She either planned her disapperance
OR
(2) met up with someone intially and things did not go as planned.
Here are the reasons given to me
*Planning to be excited? (for 6 months or more) about a band (do we really know she absolutely loved Metallica, when she is seemingly more a Beatles, Zepplin, Dead head, Marley person by the posters on her wall?)
*Exiting the arena when probably knew she could not get back in
*Supposedly hitching when leaving her car at the arena
*Supposedly saying/phonecall getting a ride with friends for an hours drive
*friends may know this “friend” (POI)
*friends supposedly not concerned (not leaving concert, helping her and leaving her after the concert without confirming since they had her car)
* personal life–we don’t know really how personal her personal life was(issues with parents, grades, financial, drugs, boys/sex etc)
~~~
Coming from an ex-smoker, I knew where the smoking areas were even in non familiar venues..I would NEVER venture outdoors unless a VALID reason.(boy/drugs)
—-Unless she was escorted out by JPJ!!!?? (for underage drinking ..etc)
Then one would be inclined to be upset and mad and storm off to the nearest comfort area seeking only those closest…..
This is not rocket science….
she is/was with someone that others knew.
I agree and have said from day one, Morgan went with someone she knew and thought she could trust. While we are at it, can someone explain to me why her car has not been processed?
B
Ok just really thinking out the entire “I’ll find a ride back” or hitching thing. If Morgans friends had her keys, the keys to her apartment were likely attached to them..her roommate was at the concert. If she did get a ride home how was she planning on getting inside her apartment? Would have made just as much sense to stay and wait for them no? If she was getting a ride to JMU, that friend was also at the concert, so how would she get inside there? She had to have planned to meet up with someone she knew to wait out the end of the concert so she would have access to either her apartment or her friends’. If she never made it to the meeting point with this middle man, they would have been wondering what happened to her as well. She had to have contacted someone to wait out her access to a place to stay. Either she met up with them and something happened in their presence or she never made it to them and she met with foul play at the hand of a stranger.
thinking about it more…the friends never said anything about her intention to meet up with them after she got a ride, either to get her car or have a place to stay, so they must have known she intended to stay somewhere else. WHERE?
IMO the 8:48 call would almost certainly have been a text message. The odd time means they have looked at it and know the exact time and text messages can be pulled and read, so whatever the exact message was is known to police.
It was definitely a phone call, per LE. They can pull the same data for a phone call as they can a text. Activity following that was texts to an unsub, male, allegedly not in JPJ arena.
B
If Morgan was meeting someone at the concert, which is what I believe happened, it seems that the police could track her contacts on her cell phone or her computer. She would have had to be in contact with this person. But, then if thats not the case then it has to be a random act at the concert. This is driving everyone crazy!!!
I can only imagine how torn apart her parents must be with no real leads as to what really happened.
May she be found soon!!! I hope everyone keeps on digging into this there are some really smart people posting as to what might have happened. Maybe something will ring true with someone and lead to justice for Morgan.
“do we really know she absolutely loved Metallica, when she is seemingly more a Beatles, Zepplin, Dead head, Marley person by the posters on her wall”
You beat me to it. I thought about this last night while lying in bed, and came here this morning to post the same question.
If she wasn’t all that into Metallica, then why the excitement about going to the concert? That’d be because: 1) she planned on meeting someone there at JPJ; or 2) the she planned on meeting someone also in the area then, but to spend time away from the concert.
I would totally buy that this was a combination concert I am going to see (insert) outing.
I am also considering the possibility Morgan’s parents put their foot down about a boy roughly 6 months prior, (smoking cessation and ticket purchase also timely) and maybe her going over to Mom’s and displaying the outfit choice in anticipation of new guy meeting was to quell any remaining fears on her part? From what I can tell, she was the only ride and Dad was under the impression her car was not going to the venue.. Not being able to use it would have been a definite problem with this group.
B
This is my first post and is clarification on the video you are all referring to from the JVM show. I’ve been drawn to this case because I have a daughter in college and couldn’t imagine what I’d do if this happened to us. Although my daughter and her girlfriends seem to really watch out for each other, based on this tragedy (and others like it), I’ve tried to drive home the realities of REALLY watching each other’s back because of what can happen. I, like all of you, pray every day that she will be home safe.
I’ve kept up on the (confusing) details that we know surrounding Morgan’s disappearance and just thought I’d share with you that I watched that JVM show and the video they are referring to is the one of Dee in the arena with her boyfriend and the two other guys. I couldn’t believe they hadn’t done better research and were still showing that video of Dee and positioning it that way. It had long been known and confirmed that it is Dee in that video. When JVM asked Dr Harrington about it, he couldn’t see the video she was referring to because he was on the phone, so that is why he responded as he did. The were several things they mentioned on the show that were incorrect, which is normal for her and NG, but I thought at least they are getting the word out.
My heart goes out to all who know and love Morgan. May she be safe at home soon.
Well, that does not surprise me. That said, I am having trouble reconciling how Dee can be both the gal with the off the shoulder top, and also the one in the dark gray tshirt with obvious regular sleeves?
B
“I agree and have said from day one, Morgan went with someone she knew and thought she could trust. While we are at it, can someone explain to me why her car has not been processed?
B ”
Her car not processed. What a morning jolt, Blink.
Then again, why does this seem par for the course.
Allegedly, after Dr. Harrington made initial phone contact with the roommate Amy Melvin in regards to looking for his daughter who had not shown up to the home where he was to going to help her study for her upcoming Tuesday math/algebra exam as well as go over her overdrawn bank account, Amy Melvin then drove Morgan’s car to the Harrington’s home in Roanoke.
Dr. Harrington requested Amy bring the car to his home, but why.
Considering Morgan was reported missing allegedly an hour or so later to LE it would make sense to leave her car where it was last known to be, an integral part of any upcoming LE investigation into the circumstances surrounding her disappearance.
Now learning no processing of her car to date indicates, IMO, much information has not been “released by” or even “offered to” LE.
Back in a bit.
Now that most of the turkey is digested…
To B, re: your response to George’s post #473:
In an effort to correct some earlier misconceptions you may have had I offer the following:
1. Re: existing security systems at JPJ [See “Lack of Leads” thread posts #206, 213, 216, 218, and 219]: I indicated earlier that I was unfamiliar with the nature and extent of existing security equipment at JPJ, to include CCTVs, inasmuch as I do not possess first-hand knowledge of said security measures at the arena. I did, however, later share the first-hand observations of one of my staff that recently attended an event at JPJ on 11/20/09. At that event, she observed no such CCTV equipment outside the portals of JPJ; however, she conceded that it may have been in use but not visible to the untrained eye. I also offered that, while I have attended numerous events at JPJ since it opened in August, 2006 I have not observed CCTV equipment at the venue. It is important to note that at/during those events I did not have need to make particular observation of security equipment, or lack thereof.
Based on the above and absent any first-hand knowledge, it is imprudent for readers to assume anything regarding the existing security systems in use at JPJ.
2. Re: security meetings: [See “Lack of Leads” thread post #219.] I indicated in that post that I attended two (2) security meetings during the week of 11/9-13. As stated in the post, the meetings were neither coincident with nor related in any way to the MH disappearance, nor were they related to the existing security measures at JPJ. Rather, the focus of these meetings—which were held with certain highly-placed members of the security consultant group that is currently contracted with UVA—was on improving the current security systems in place at the facility in which I work. [Note: I do not work at JPJ.]
A closer re-read of the earlier, related posts will help to clarify the above.
Re: J2K’s #522 post, re: media reporting: This is an important post; I urge all readers to take the time to give serious consideration to his/her astute observations.
Re: mosaic #520 post, re: feelings of safety on the part of CV locals: I cannot speak for others in/around the CV community; however, I feel quite safe in this area and have not had that feeling impacted by the MH disappearance. In discussions with others, e.g., professional colleagues, employees, and friends, there appears to be a range of emotions in this regard; that is, some are more anxious and therefore more diligent. It appears that, for the most part, the anxiety is not based upon the belief that a predator is loose and active in the CV area, but that these individuals are understandably distraught that a young woman has mysteriously disappeared while at an event at a well-known venue in our community.
Finally, to Word Girl’s #521 post and wise admonition, re: JVM and related “sensational media” outlets: As she’s suggested, I urge readers here to strongly consider the source of all information they receive—-emphasis on the word “all”. Too, I remain concerned that readers may too readily accept as fact certain “information” (quotes intentional) that is not reality-based but instead are ideas erroneously extrapolated from limited knowledge.
We are all well-served to remember that, in the instant case of the MH disappearance, there is a dearth of solid information upon which to base any reliable conclusion. Verified data points in this investigation are few and far between. Therein lies LE’s—-and the public’s—-understandable frustration. What we have to work with is precious little data; all else is conjecture (and in some cases, hyperbole) and should be treated accordingly.
Observer, thanks for your usual thorough and provoking post. With the utmost respect I need to ask how you can have a meeting to discuss security upgrades (my word) with the consulting group currently under contract with JPJ and not have first hand knowledge of the current enviornment? Did I get that wrong?
B
I wonder if the possibility has been explored that she was told to say that she would get a ride home and did so under duress. That would explain why she would say something out of character. It may not exactly fit into the timeline, but is that airtight?
Also, NK is one creepy guy and I wouldn’t let him into my school to scout. He may/may not be involved in this, but there is something about him that gives me that hinkey feeling…
Just a quick thought, this was actually Morgan’s own car that was used that day/night, and not say, her Dad’s, that she may have used/borrowed specifically for the event, right?
Yes, hers.
B
How do we know the car hasn’t been processed?
I am telling you it has not been processed. Sits in the driveway of the Harrington’s to this day.
B
Debbie #509
Okay, now that just gave me the chills.
I have not made any comments on that NK guy, but like everyone else I think he is just plain creepy.
No offense meant here: But in one of his blogs didn’t he say he wanted to meet a black woman. Does anyone know the timeline of that post and this missing girl.
I hope that LE are really giving NK a once over. (twice, three time over)
In my posts #316 and $324, I questioned why there was never any description of either the unknown boy or Morgan’s car, even early in the investigation before the real concern about crime/abduction took place.
Journalists almost always put in descriptive information – even if the boy asked not to be named or was underage, they would typically say something like “a [age given] year old [student/acquaintance/whatever] who asked not to be named also accompanied the students on the trip….]
Likewise, especially with all the confusion initially about what car was driven, I was surprised to never see a description of the car. Now to hear that it was never processed? Is that for certain?
Those 2 missing pieces puzzle me the most, just because it is atypical to not have them.
#521 Mosaic – Regarding whether Charlottesvillians think there is a predator loose: not that I’ve heard. My daughter, a middle schooler, has referred to “a rapist” being loose, but I’ve not heard anythin about this. I think parents have been voicing their concern to their children about this case, and the kids have enhanced it. I still walk my dogs at night. By the way, I know people in the residential area near JPJ, and I would have no qualms about walking there at night. In fact, I have walked there at night – parking at friend’s home & walking to & from JPJ events, and Morgan would have been way more likely to have encountered a home owner walking a dog than a random abductor. Nothing is out of the question, though, if in fact she was in that location. (But doubt it).
Re: #526 – respectfully, how do they pull up the same data on a cell phone call? With a text you would know exactly what was said. They can’t pull up a script of the phone call can they?
One more thought:
The 44 yr. old guy that said she kick him.
Did anyone ever hear if he actually met up with those late friends?
I have never heard another word about him-
B
“I agree and have said from day one, Morgan went with someone she knew and thought she could trust. While we are at it, can someone explain to me why her car has not been processed?
B ”
The “first” thought that comes to mind is LE has a POI, known (or at least told) to never have been in or near Morgan’s car. Or someone – - perhaps not a POI – - has regularly or often been in Morgan’s car, or at least that particular day/night, but their identity as in “the unnamed male” is being protected for some reason.
One would think the Harrington’s would push to have Morgan’s car processed.
i am wondering if you locals could tell me, i google earthed the copely bridge and went into the camera balls which realistically put you on that bridge and i realized :they say she is on both sides of street,it only works to hh on the right side (traffic leaving arena)which is the side without sidewalk,imo there is not enough of a shoulder,to hhike, on the leaving arena side.it looks too dangerous to hh ON the bridge.but the witnesses? better not say hh on sidewalk side makes no sense,wrong way.
sorry – I wrote my question about the car being processed (para #3 “Is that for certain?”) before I read B’s response to #535, Ross.
I believe Observer #532 is speaking about a security consultant hired by the University, completely separate from JPJ.
I just wonder who else’s phone records they have looked at…the people she was texting and what was being discussed is crucial…they have to have a POI. And I don’t know if this means anything or not, but why are the police not asking if anyone gave her a ride? They seem to be only asking if anyone saw her get in a car, or if anyone let her use their cell phone…
mary too, since they know who she had conversation(s) with on her cell, they know (purportedly) what was said during those conversations—-like the 8:48 pm call her friends made to her.
Morgan might have been excited about the concert—even if Metallica were not her primary cup of tea—simply because it was a big deal band and thus a “must see” concert. I’ve certainly done that, just for the adventure of it all.
wpg, Ross, B (re: #533/534)
Has *any* car been processed in the course of this investigation?
M. (re: #536) You description of the residential area around JPJ is exactly what I’ve been picturing (never been to Cville) – that’s why the predator/street-snatch theory has never felt like a right fit for this case.
As far as your two questions, I don’t have the answers, but I’m glad to pose possible scenarios in which the perceived informational void on the part of LE make sense:
In re: “In my posts #316 and $324, I questioned why there was never any description of either the unknown boy or Morgan’s car, even early in the investigation before the real concern about crime/abduction took place. Journalists almost always put in descriptive information – even if the boy asked not to be named or was underage, they would typically say something like “a [age given] year old [student/acquaintance/whatever] who asked not to be named also accompanied the students on the trip….]”
I submit that journalists never had access to the male passenger – as I’ve stated before, reporters are thrown the same bones LE tosses to the public (unless there’s a leak). Also, this person’s ticket was scanned, indicating he was in the concert. As MH was allegedly seen alone outside the venue and while interacting with the BB, I assume he was inside the whole time. I’m also under the impression that the two named women in MH’s car and the male passenger traveled back to Harrisonburg together that night. Perhaps he is a link to POI.
In re: “Likewise, especially with all the confusion initially about what car was driven, I was surprised to never see a description of the car. Now to hear that it was never processed? Is that for certain?”
I have nothing to back this up, but it appears MH *told* her dad one thing regarding how she and her friends would get to the show (that he bought tix for), and she *did* another. The friends with her were on a different page than her parents, and it probably took awhile to shake out the truth.
I’m also surprised her car wasn’t processed, but it implies to me that LE believes she never got back in that car after initially arriving at JPJ, and they’re only interested in what happened after she was back outside the venue.
Hope that offers you another perspective.
For what it’s worth (read: not much), I saw several posts on the family Web-site forum from someone who claimed to be a friend of one of the girls with MH that night. This person insisted MH and her friends all left Hburg together (though she did not note how *many* friends), and that they (minus MH) returned that night. The new insight (if this person is to be believed) is that she claims several of these friends drove back dow to Cville the next morning to “look for her.” I think it would make sense that her Blacksburg roommate, Amy Melvin, would stop there on her way back to VT (although, the poster noted “several of them went back down.”)
This offers little if any insight to what happened the night before, but it leads me to believe there were people traveling back up to Hburg that night worried, confused and eager to resume trying to connect with her the next day. For me, this all points to these friends planning to meet MH with her car and keys after the show wherever she intended to wait out/party through the rest of the concert. It’s possible they called her to make sure she was there/no answer/called a person they knew she was with (textee?)/no answer/drove to this residence or other location/no answer/… still left without her.
Good point #540 susanm. You are right, that she would have to hh on the side without the sidewalk and it would not be safe.
Let’s consider this: like the military philosophy, when a catastrophy occurs, it is often a series of errors, to result in “the perfect storm”. (Not to make light of this, just to give you some food for thought.) OK, let’s say that she was on some sort of drug, intentionally or unintentionally, but not making decisions that she would ordinarily make. (This is not in judgement of her at all if it was intentional, as we were all young once.) She is lured outside the arena by someone whom she knows or she possibly got confused due to her state of mind and just wanted to get out to cool off, possibly due to the “date rape” drug slipped into her drink. If she was to meet someone or she met someone and couldn’t get back into the concert, she may have had a fight with this person and that person is for now, out of the picture. That leaves her in a very vulernable state. She has a brief encounter with the BB players, but right before they leave the person who lured her out (? forbidden person from past?) OR NK spots her. BB players go, she walks toward the bridge and is either sweet-talked by NK (“I know the BB players, I’ll give you a ride.” )He could have been going from U-Hall BB practice to the concert or home, as he sounds like one of those hangers on when it comes to athletes. (Or maybe is just going to the concert.) I believe that she willingly got into a car with a former aquaintance or a middle-aged, non-threatening looking guy with a dark side. Just a theory. I would love to know what she said to the BB players and who else was parked in the RV lot.
i looked at it again (sorry i tried to link )it seems immpossibly dangerous, there is no shoulder ,i looked virginia hitch hiking laws and it says you “hitch hiking” is not allowed on the roadway,does not include shoulder of roadway,you can hhike in the shoulder unless there is a sign stating no hitch hiking.
Oh, Blink, since Observer hasn’t stopped back by…His meeting with the security consultants had to do with security in his building only. The same security company provides assistance to UVA overall, including JPJ arena.
Now, hopefully I read his note correctly!
(It would be just like Word Girl to butt in and stick a foot or two in her mouth!)
Lol, no you were correct, it was blinks on foot in mouth.. thanks
B
An arena such as JPJ would have visible cameras, not concealed as there is no need to conceal cameras in a public arena and the type of cameras needed would not be concealable types, especially exterior cameras which would need infrared or TDN’s. Those are quite visible. I looked for and did not find any RFQ’s for CCTV equipment for the arena. Usually, a RFQ will be sent out by the University after a consultant assists in writing the specs, especially if this is a state school, it usually must go out to bid. To date I found nothing indicating what JPJ has. SMG has no one listed in their company profiles who is a security expert other than the use of physical personnel and the architect does not include the arena in their profiles. I can’t fathom that they wouldn’t have a state of the art CCTV system w/ all the other equipment installed, but can’t find any info on it.