Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Belief,
You were eligible for admittance to UVA? That is certainly implied in your post. As an alum, I have to say that I never encountered anyone with your level of hostility while I was in school. I guess times have changed.
Is the ex a VT security guard? and do you think “belief” is the ex? with a kinda similar name.
PS. my last post wasn’t directed directly at your site. I have been all over the internet because this case has touched me to my core. and if belief is the ex, I have been rereading all of your early, early posts and you might wanna become an FBI profiler. you knew he would eventually respond this way.
Totally understand if you can’t post this.
Understood. Saw this coming yesterday but I think my “rattled” comment flew under the radar. Now I will politely duck back underneath said radar and sip some coffee while I work out a few ideas.
I think I am going to ask Santa for a hat this year; I keep finding reason to take one off to you.
TY, I look forward to your after coffee new thinking cap scenarios..
B
Blink,
This was posted on facebook wall about 25 minutes ago:
“I have found out that Morgan lived in the same complex as the other girl who got killed a few months ago with her boyfriend she looked like morgan don’t know if there is a connection yet though.”
22 minutes ago
“Have a friend in the area up there didn’t know either they are keeping under wraps I guess I don’t want to ruin investigation or anything though but I so worried about Morgan though”
13 minutes ago
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=162224546575
Jeez
Morgan lived in an off campus apt and Heidi lived in a dorm. Sigh.
There is zero connection between these cases save for the fact it is a welcome interest for Morgan’s perp.
B
Blink,
The posts writen by “Belief” scream out to me that he IS either at UVA currently or was a HOO recently. I also feel that he is a sports “Wannabe”…and for his info: The UVA Lax team WAS warned about the Duke Incident. The team had a sibling on it of one of the guys on Duke team when the incident occured, and this “belief” is not correct. Not that it makes any difference to finding MH—but I felt his comment was “telling”, interesting and made me think harder about what you said a few days ago about the unsub possibly being an athlete— but—not a BB player.
I have to say, I appreciate your input: BELIEF..I don’t understand why everyone is picking on this person..maybe this person is on to something
Like What?
B
Pardon me if this has been posted previously, but my head is spinning from keeping up with this. Say MH and EXBF do have a tussel over the something: her texting someone else or her anger at being lured outside. She walks away from JPJ after being denied re-entrance again. He is mad at her but really not that mad. Then, he sees her hanging with the BB players and jealousy just enrages him at her (what he percieves is) flirting. When he offers her a ride, she gets in because he really wasn’t enraged when she last saw him, but he is now and she is in his car, HE has the power.
Great work Blink and company!
With all of “on beliefs squirming”, it looks like somebody’s ass is gettin’ close to the hot seat.
I agree with Kris Kringle. If Belief attended UVA, times have really changed.
Blink, I think you are right on. I’ve been up since six this morning and after last night’s revelations, I couldn’t wait to see what happened this morning and I wasn’t disappointed. It seems you guys are getting a little too close for comfort for some guys.
I’ve followed this case from the beginning. I don’t comment alot. I have to say this though, your site is the best by far and the most informative. I appreciate the way everyone works together and handles differing opinions with tact.
Don’t post this, if you feel that I have said something that I shouldn’t have. Thanks again for working so hard on this and bringing out some very mind challenging theories.
This whole case is a jumbled mess..personally I don’t think LE has anything..if someone expresses frustration..it doesn’t mean they don’t have a valid point
Ok, what is yours?
B
Bring on the scenarios …these exchanges are on fire!I am enjoying the progression of this thread.
There are a couple of weird things I have noticed about this case, not sure about the relevancy. On the facebook page Please help with finding Morgan Dana Harrington. Please., p. 76, a person posted that they saw her hitchhiking:(http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=161409341318#/wall.php?id=161409341318&page=75&hash=158d0dacce75c56cdeed58454e648a1f). You would think this would have been a big deal from the beginnign if it was known right away?
Maggie Voth (UVA) wrote
at 6:16pm on October 19th, 2009
I saw her at 930 too, she was on the bridge on alderman trying to hitchhike and was alone.
There was another reference online to “hitching” early on, before LE announced that she may have been hitchhiking.(http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/40480440.html?page=2#comments)
Re: Question
h0tfuss
2009-10-27 12:28 am UTC (link)
She was kicked out of the venue before the concert even started. In her position, I would feel really bad asking a friend to waste the money spent and miss the concert to drive me home (or at least keep me company outside) and then wait for everyone else to come out so we could all drive home together. It’s a situation of lots of people in different situations but only one car to get everyone home.
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Re: Question
ao_kiddo
2009-10-27 12:30 am UTC (link)
Which I could understand too, but personally, my choice would have been to wait outside by myself. I wouldn’t want to waste anyone else’s time bc I would feel bad, but I wouldn’t try to hitch a ride home. IDK, IDK…
The other thing I noticed is that on the facebook page Please help with finding Morgan Dana Harrington. Please.
(with Sarah Snead and Joshua Mason as moderators) there was a lot of activity from Sarah encouraging people to contact LE with sightings, expressions of concern, etc., up until about page 50 when the information about the grandmmother’s sighting came out. Then Sarah stopped commenting. I wonder if they didn’t know what happened until the grandmother came forward, then based on that description things became clear about who was behind this, and that is when LE told the friends not to talk. It seems like the grandmother’s information coming out was a turning point if you look back at reactions from the beginning.
The other things that are confusing are the “suspended” police report about the stolen purse, I believe it was? And on the findmorgan.com site, someone posted about records of EMT calls on the night of the concert. Then they went back to post the link and saw that some of the records had been removed.
Don’t know what to make of any of this but wonder if someone else does.
Thanks,
Rae
I also meant to add that I will be bringing Mandy a new hat for Christmas. She will frequently tip this new hat to B.
From FB-Ronnie Pate -I have found out that Morgan lived in the same complex as the other girl who got killed a few months ago with her boyfriend she looked like morgan don’t know if there is a connection yet though
3 hours ago
Is this true?
Blink, I am sorry if this is something I shouldn’t be doing. And I hope I didn’t offend the other day. If you knew my story, you would understand.
This is more from facebook. Going on right now. The Ronnie, says his posts get deleted fast.
ChristyRonnie it’s strange that you say this. I read, cannot remember where. Possibly on this site that Morgan’s father and Heidi’s father both work for Carilion. Not sure if it’s the same hospital or if that is even true. I think that these two things are very odd.
FALSE. Heidie’s Dad is a VSP.
B
Just wondering if these things are true. If so, WOW! scary
Thanks Black Pearl. I finally saw some other profiles with the same pic. I saw somewhere it was for the 4 officers killed in Washington state last week.
Back to my lurking corner…
Re: Comment by lisa — December 5, 2009 @ 6:34 pm
Lisa, I had a former housemate (sketchy ass Rx drug abuser) whose cop friend bought him one of these stickers. He told me that cops put it in the back window of their car so that they either don’t get pulled over at all or don’t get a ticket for speeding or any other traffic violation.
Aside from this knowledge, I was about to say that I don’t know much about these stickers myself. But I decided that wasn’t good enough and did a little internet research, which I will share with you. Before I do, I’d like to respectfully ask you, Lisa, who told you that the symbol was in honor of fallen officers? Do you know and trust this person? Is it possible they’re bullsh*tting you?
This sticker is a “law enforcement identifier product.” Use is “severely restricted to the OFFICER and his/her SPOUSE ONLY.” No exceptions. This much I knew. The thing that is funny to me is this next part…”Limiting the public’s knowledge of its meaning protects the integrity of the Thin Blue Line.” This is why I find it hard to believe that allll of these LE or LE wanna-be’s are so carelessly posting it on their facebook pages. See, apparently there are rules about it’s use. “Any officer found to be in violation of The Fraternal Blue Line Organization rules for use will have his/her password deactivated and will be banned for LIFE.”
While this is supposed to be secret, I don’t think there is any law actually prohibiting anyone from using this symbol. Therefore non-LE use it. Especially if they want to show their membership to a group or seem very mysterious to those not in the know.
I personally would find the use of an image of a police badge or uniform or…well, anything… a better way to show respect. Why show it by posting “secret” signs? I thought the purpose was to acknowledge the fallen officers… not confuse people…but that’s just my opinion.
Here’s a link to the site where I found the info included above. Some of it was pulled from the website where police can buy the product. The following link is to a site where you yourself can buy a sticker that just happens to have this neat design. You too can honor fallen police offers….or get out of your next speeding ticket…or walk away scott free after your next abduction and murder (or at least convince yourself that you can)!!!!
[I sincerely apologize for the sarcasm here, as these fallen men/women who serve us do indeed deserve to be honored, but wanted to make a point about the real usage of the sticker]
http://thegeorgiaspeedingticketkiller.com/thin_blue_line.php
Hi guys – Im confused – are you saying that the POI is the one with the black profile pic with the blue line through it? Or that this is a friend of the POI?
Confused…sorry
Oh, I also wanted to just throw this out there for consideration.
1.) I was wondering if DW, who refused MH re-entrance to the JPJA, might have purposely stated that this interaction occurred at 10 pm to throw off the timeline established by the police of events/sightings and/or to help buy the BG enough time to establish an “alibi”…or at least be well on the (literal) road…
2.)So security at JPJA wears White shirts, black vests, and khakis. Fine. A lot of security…especially at concert that I go to wear all black. The black shirts especially. Those ones that say security on the back? Now they sell them at stores like Hottopic and such so that non-security can wear them ironically. Regardless, perhaps exBF..BG’s shift had already ended or maybe he wasn’t working that night at all. He (and they) could have worn all black because it was a Metallica concert, after all. Morgan herself wore all black. As did Dee S. Obviously the BG wanted to blend into the crowd. And while wearing all black to a heavy metal show certainly helps one blend in, it also helps one blend into the shadows, the night, and crowds. It doesn’t provide much information to any potential witnesses.
3.) I’m interested in how frequently JPJA security– or just security in general— can gain entrance to events. If they know people working security can they gain entrance to an event? The thing I’m wondering here is whether exBF..BG could have been inside the arena himself at any point that night. If he wanted to be inside at any point, I’m guessing that he could have gained entrance without having to purchase a ticket (thus leaving a paper trail linking himself to the event that night) Does anyone see where I’m going with this?
4.) I’m also wondering where our favorite poster got to? I’m hoping that he is catching up on some much needed sleep (he was up all night reading this blog and crafting responses after all…impressive considering its taken me days to do the same) and that Blink isn’t simply intercepting his enlightening posts. On Belief…you out there?
Here are my thoughts as this continues to unfold. IF that is Morgan in section 112 on the youtube video. th Morgan’s dad bought the tickets 6 months prior. He purchased 3 tickets. One for each of the girls. What he did not know was that one of the girls BF was going to go. In order for BF to get in he would need a ticket. In buying this ticket he knows in advance he would not be able to sit with the girls if someone else comes with that seat number. He would have to move. Who wants to go to a concert alone? Therefore one of his friends also purchased a ticket. I believe she sat with the friend of the BF= better seats. He very well could have convinced her to go for a smoke or get air before Metallica came on. Also an opportunity to drug her. (As much as people want to believe she was on drugs-I do not…seems like a good girl- possibly smoked pot- nothing heavy-just seems that would be beneath her) Anyhow what if- he convinced her to go outside but once to the door he let her go first then he went back inside to be seen thus Morgan is out on her own trying to get back in. An hour goes by snd Metallica begins- not one person would pay any attention to him. He slips out. She then becomes his prey.I believe it to be something along the lines of this. He probably has a deep infatuation with her. This would explain why the BF has not been named. I believe this to be no stranger abduction. However, it is difficult for me to see someone at a concert being a stalker in the parking lot hoping she would get stuck outside. I believe the planning began long ago. Perhaps a person she has rejected in the past. Just my thoughts.
About 6 months ago, I would say, and I agree.
B
#1397
NYMom Kmazing,
IMO there is nothing strange in Morgan’s remarks regarding the opening bands.
For the most part, Metal fans are very loyal and knowledgeable regarding their beloved bands and music. If you are not a true metal fan you get dubbed a poser or a wannabe.
Morgan may not have wanted to seem like a poseur for not knowing or wanting to know more about the opening bands. So she pointedly put an end to the conversation and emphatically stated she was there for Metallica. Thereby escaping the dreaded poseur label.
Thanks Blink,
after I posted, it took me about 10 minutes to discover it is David’s father who is MD. Not sure the significance. Something is niggling at my brain, badly. I hope I wake up in the morning with the answer.
PS. you did not comment on the girls living at the same complex. I am new to this blog and the other “sleuth” websites. You are by far my favorite, as you seem the most intelligent and most deliberate in your postings. It is for the smartest to figure out. It took me awhile. Should I assume from the non-answers that I might be close?
And I know I am posting too much, but I am a mom waiting up for my child to get home before curfew…could you please start a new thread. It takes forever to figure out where I left off and I know I am missing important thoughts and scenarios trying to catch up. Thanks so much. I hope I never need you personally.
Lol, Coming next week
B
“Jeez
Morgan lived in an off campus apt and Heidi lived in a dorm. Sigh.
There is zero connection between these cases save for the fact it is a welcome interest for Morgan’s perp.
B”
Blink, thanks for clearing this off the road.
In fairness WPG, I have changed my thoughts somewhat on that case-
B
Random late night thoughts.
Observer, we’re ready when you are.
Passwords/pin numbers: it amused me to find out my kids use the same password I do. Daughter and I worked together and, years later, both use the alarm code for a pin number! Son says oh, yeah, one of the cats is his login. I’m sure they have more secure passwords for stuff they want to protect.
Granny witness to scuffle. I wondered why she would be there so early. Two hours in a cold car? I think I get it. Her ‘voice’ was believable. Seems odd, though, that if her son has a son and wants to treat him to a concert, wouldn’t the son do the driving, too?
(Unless we’re dealing with a guy without a license, etc, who still loves metal music?)
Sorry that granny has to be in the middle of this.
I don’t believe that On Belief (what’s with that name?) poster has anything to do with the crime. I do think he may know or suspect something that he is not forthcoming about. His vitriol seems disingenuous.
Kris Kringle. I really, really like cheese, too. (Don’t tell it to Blink.)
I would like some cheese when you bring the hat. Not the Stinky Bishop though. Maybe a fine Pont-l’Eveque?
Thank you and to all a good night.
We aren’t squishy close and I respect their privacy.
Katesro,
Your thinking is pretty sound. VERY sound.
Blink,
I can get off my wheel, then (and that is a good thing).
Thank you.
You have some of the best instincts I have seen wpg, get off your wheel when your whiskers tell you too, not before.
B
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/223990
Thanks for the great work, Blink. All due respect, I’d like to correct a few things about Heidi Childs and David Metzler. First, both were sophomores–not freshmen–and have always been identified as sophomores.
Also, in the Roanoke Times article above, Heidi’s father talks about going to her apartment after her death. I don’t know if Metzler also lived off-campus, but I seem to remember an earlier article that said both did. I don’t know which complex Heidi lived in, so not sure if it was the same as Morgan. Honestly, there are only a few large apartment complexes in Blacksburg, so if they did live in the same complex it wouldn’t be that big a coincidence, imho.
Finally, Heidi’s father is a VSP sergeant, as you said, Blink. David’s father is a family physician in Lynchburg (an hour east of Roanoke, where Morgan’s father practices). I’ve heard that he also works for Carilion, but I couldn’t find anything that links his practice with Carilion.
BD-
Thanks for that clarification, they were into the first week of their sophmore year. There actually is a tie in to Carilion, but not through David, so I don’t find it germane.
I am the first to admit I brought up the uncanny resemblance between Morgan and Heidi; makes me uncomfortable. Since I have learned a bit more about that case, I do believe that the target was Heidi Childs.
B
I spent some time tonight with my printer, highlighter and 20 or so urls. I put together a profile of the perp. I am not a criminal profiler by trade but I do work in the CJS so I have some experience with the, as we refer to them, “bottom-feeders.” I thought I would give it my best shot…maybe it will help…maybe it won’t…either way, here we go:
1. White male
2. 18-25
3. Does not attend VT but has friends/associates that do.
4. Priors, most likely misdemeanors. Possibilities: property destruction, possession, shoplifting, assault.
5. Has trouble getting and especially maintaining a job. Same would apply to formal education.
6. Grew up in broken home, probably with absent father and likely suffered some form of abuse; I would place my bet on neglect.
7. Has peculiar sexual fetishes; fantasy life is extremely important to him.
8. Imagines himself to be smarter than most, but will actually have a low to average IQ.
9. Has a distinct “look” he hides behind due to low self esteem.
10. Immaturity. Probably not operating at an age-appropriate level in thoughts/feelings.
11. Not an outgoing personality. Reserved, seemingly shy, antisocial behaviors. Tries to control his explosive temper. Simmers often. Those close to him will have witnessed this side of him. He will become enraged if he feels he has been humiliated.
12. Negative anti-government attitude. Does not like or respect authority figures. May be willing to believe many “conspiracy” type stories.
13. If a drug user at all, probably recreational. Would not be willing to surrender his control to harder or more frequent drug use.
14. Probably still lives with family. Likely a mother, grandmother or is staying with a friend on and off.
15. Had unexplained injuries to face, arms and hands around the time of Morgan’s disappearance.
Hmm. All are possible, but I don’t think he put a hand on Morgan. I have zero basis for this I admit, but I just feel like Morgan did not think she had anything to fear from him, that this relationship was behind the both of them.
Was he acting like he could just “be friends” with her, with the intent in his mind he could “win her back”? Did he learn of a new interest that triggered him in some way?
B
Oh, and Mr. Kringle–
Could you make it a fedora? I am waaay up here in Washington; I have plenty of ski-hats but they just don’t tip the same!
TIA,
Mandy
Rae (#1412) I’m pretty sure it was Questioner who found the rape statistics for Charlotte instead of Charlottesville. I noticed it on this post a while back but didn’t comment, then saw her remark on findmorgan.com yesterday about them being removed. It was a simple mistake, but may have caused some panic on these boards…
Sherri (#1406) and Kris Kringle: I feel pretty confident that “on belief” did not go to UVa. He’s too much of an idiot, and a compelete wannabe. A real Monday Morning Quarterback…I bet he’s on all the forums. I think they’re even on to him over at the Hook…he likes to post under lots of different names, but spews the same vitriol. I don’t think this goober has the muscle to be an athelete…he’s a part time pretend cop who thinks he’s a big man, and now he’s trying to prove that he’s got what it takes. He can’t really control much, but if this guy is XBF, or if XBF is like him, he’s shown everyone, LE, parents, etc. that he can take the life of someone they thought he couldn’t have.
We have an alternative high school here, Murray High School, that is for kids who have a hard time getting through a regular school for whatever reason. Some are artsy, some very smart in one special way but not others, and some just plain whacked out. Maybe this guy went to a school like this, or was in an alternative program in one of the Roanoke schools. Maybe Morgan just met him at any one of the concerts she went to, but my bet is he’s never been a normal egg.
Always late to the dance, I finally watched the interview with the grandmother on nbc29, and at the end for some reason they downplay the story, saying well, the police are saying there’s no reason to believe that was Morgan, no one else reported seeing what the granny saw, and that maybe it was or maybe it wasn’t her. The reporter ends by saying “At this point, it sounds doubtful.”
I wonder if that why the Hook article said it has been debunked. But we all think it’s just LE being coy again, and that they confused the reporter with their seeming (but in reality, strategic) ambivalence, n’est-ce pas?
Ooo wee, my spelling is horrible. I smack that submit button before checking anything…sorry.
Blackpearl, I did hear it from someone I trust, someone from a small private group who tirelessly goes out physically searching in hopes of bringing Morgan home. I don’t, however, know where she got the information. I was just passing it along, in good faith, since it had been a question here. In the future, I’ll try to do a little more research or keep my trap shut. Thanks for the clarification.
good morning, guys ! Been thinking about the cell phone battery — do you think LE stating it is not important to case is a RUSE ? Because — I had some cell problems yesterday and when I called provider they told me to take off the back cover and pop out the battery — that lil’ bugga was jammed in there tightly — do you think Dr. H’s stmnt that it came out a lot is also a RUSE — and, to me, I see Blink’s thoughts on where it is recovered as important, but I’d like to know whose fingerprints are on it — other than Morgan’s and/or the person who may pick it up if they find it, why should anyone else’s prints be on there ?
2nd thing I was pondering — if that is Morgan in the LOG video — btw, Blink, can you send that link to LE so they can use either VSP or FBI super computers and isolate the profile and do a facial recognition scan ? — but in that video, and don’t know where that song is in LOG’s set — but my son said they only played about 45 mins. — Morgan is not behaving all “wild and crazy” — even allowing that that was the first song, 45 mins. later someone matching Morgan’s description was seen coming down steps at JPJ, obviously impaired and dropping her purse — which I believe gives merit to the theory that she ingested a “date rape” type drug — plus, she is so thin, it prob’ly metabolized quickly in her system — but even impaired, I think Morgan was doing her best to think straight — post-leaving JPL actions make sense to me now — she sees someone older — 44 y/o Fredericksbrg dude — tries to go w/ him, I think, for safety after she realizes she is in danger — he rejects her, just like she was rejected after trying to get back into the arena — then she meets up w/ BB players, who also reject her, then she tries to get away quickly by HH’g, and that’s the last sighting — unless the Sheets sighting is Morgan — the person who gave that info stated she was either standing beside the ice machine or a trash can — can’t remember — did they take fingerprints and not just review the tapes ???
Next to last thought — is there any connection between Ex and Heidi ? Did he try to ask her out and get rejected by Heidi, as well ?? If so, did he hassle her, and David intervened ? It takes a black soul to shoot somebody point blank.
My last thought — I have AOL and under the AOL news was the headline about Billy Joel’s daughter being hospitalized due to an alleged overdose — and it brought my thoughts back to the Harringtons — not only is their child missing, but they’ve had to endure every possible negative, bad thing posted about her everywhere — online, in the media and certainly community gossip — I cont. to lift them up in prayer for God to give them the strength to endure thru all of this — I hope they are comforted by the fact that there are so many people around the world who do care, not only about Morgan, but about them, as well —
And a challenge to the Ex — if you’re reading all of these posts and you’re an innocent bystander, I challenge you to come on this board and post all the reasons why you are so maligned and so innocent and why we should shift our thoughts in another direction —
changing my name to: not holding my breath on that one !!
LE has it, yes, but I would not hold out any hope that they can do anything with it. It is very far away and poor resolution, it will overpixilate in a heartbeat.
B
Hi, Blink. I’ve been reading your site for quite some time now and consider it “the” definitive source for accurate, substantive information. I think chances are slim to none that Morgan is still alive; my gut instinct tells me she died the night of October 17 or early morning October 18. I don’t think it was a stranger abduction, either. It happens — we all know that — but I don’t think that’s what happened here. I think she was lured outside by someone she knew, someone who would know what it would take to get her to react. Maybe her friends were aware of why she went outside, maybe not. If they were and thought she was with someone they all knew, perhaps thought Morgan and this person were “working things out,” that might explain why they saw no problem with driving her car back to JMU without her. If they were aware and conveyed to LE what transpired, perhaps they were instructed by LE to keep mum about it. Still, if LE has someone in its sights, I think it’s time for them to make a move. It’s going on two months now, and I’d like to see the body found while a COD and TOD can still be established. I live in Roanoke and I do know what kind of country lies between here and Charlottesville. Without a confession from the POI or a strong tip from someone who knows him, it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
I do think Morgan got into a car with whoever it was, maybe thinking she knew what made him tick and could defuse and control the situation. Maybe she thought he posed no real danger to her; young women often don’t. Perhaps she dropped her purse deliberately, after already removing her phone battery so he couldn’t access its information, hoping her friends would see it and realize something might be wrong.
I have to admit that I was immediately struck by the resemblance between Morgan and Heidi Childs, though as time went on I couldn’t see any connection between the two cases. With the introduction of a possible XBF into the mix, though, I have to wonder if Heidi’s killing could have been a tragic case of mistaken identity.
As a matter of observation, that “On Belief” person sent my hinky meter into the red zone. One would very much hope that LE reads this site (because I do believe they need all the help they can get) and would request an IP number on that person.
Sorry for the length of this; please feel free to pare it down. And please — keep up the good work!
Comment by Kris Kringle — December 5, 2009 @ 11:42 am
B,
I do see what is going on, crystal clear. Me thinks belief (and Elizabeth) doth protest too much…
Oh for heavens sake how do I get in this mix??? lol
I did not quite get that either, did you stick up for him or something?
B
Re: #1427 Comment by Mandy — December 6, 2009 @ 6:20 am
Mandy, with all due respect, if the crime were random/one of opportunity, I think that your profile might apply.
Most of us, however, beleive that the BG was close to Morgan…at least at one time. Therefore, I disagree with most of the descriptions in the profile you posted.
I referenced a case before and will reference it again here because I believe it provides many insights and mirrors this case in a few ways.
http://www.retrieverweekly.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=681&format=html
That said, I think that the BG was a “good” boy. I think that (almost) any parent would be delighted if their daughter brought him home. He is sucessful enough, good enough at school, good enough at sports, and good enough socially to not raise any red flags, to be popular, and to make his parents proud. I think that he exects to get his way. I don’t know if this would result from his upbringing if he were indulged as a child or if this would be a personality thing where he is simply controlling/abusive/insecure. I also wonder if his parents’ wealth and status were enough to cover for any shortcommings that he had… he might have been a little bit off or a little bit aggressive, but he had a lot to offer his peers in the way of opportunities/material objects/etc. I think that his family is close. I won’t go so far as to say that they are entirely functional…lots of abusive men learn this behavior from situations they have observed in the home as children…and many wealthy families are disfunctional because their money, status, wealth, etc. causes the disfuction to be overlooked by others….but I believe that the parents love him and he them. I think that they tried to give him every opportunity they could and that he went to the best schools, perhaps private, and now goes to college (if he didn’t already graduate from one). Perhaps they put too much pressure on him to be “perfect” but maybe not…
As an aside to what parental pressures can do to a child who feels they cannot live up to them…
I know a family that put extreme pressure on their kids to be perfect…the daughter (with whome I was close) was insecure and had massive test anxiety. She dated someone she didn’t like because he was attractive, slightly older, and seemed like a good boyfriend. The youngest child in that family, however, dealt with this pressure (perhaps combined with his inability to meet the expectations) by becoming a snake. As a child he would cheat at any game just to be the winner. He would stomp on your hand to prevent you from picking up the dollar you had found on the ground. In high school he got the Swedish foreign exchange student pregnant…but lucky for him his mother orchestrated an abortion so that he wouldn’t have to deal with the consequences. Just recently, as a college student, he was arrested for growing, possesing, and distributing pot. I think he did this because it gave him the money and influence he felt he needed to be a big shot…and that he wasn’t able to get to this status based on his own merits. His parents are still maintaining that the weed belonged to his housemates but everyone else ratted him out immediately.
Maybe what I’m getting at–aside from kids’ inability to be perfect– are the terrible consequences of parents allowing or even encouraging their kids to do whatever it takes to get to the top…and not ever letting the consequences of bad choices, etc. ever touch their kids. This makes the kid feel entitled and untouchable.
POTENTIAL TIME LINE PROBLEM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUOF_4epplQ hi, i am not sure if the concert video that is currently being discussed on the facebook page (provided by fiona,and she posted stills)http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s179/janeunayer/Picture3copy.jpg is the same video being discussed here the other day(cuz i cant see that video).But if this is indeed morgan, http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/lamb-of-god/2009/john-paul-jones-arena-charlottesville-va-4bd7d39e.html ,the song redneck was the second to last song ,if thats her in the video,doesnt put outside or bathroom at 8:20,as it is said LOG left finsished their set at 8 :40.their songs average three to five minute even live,AND wonder where the rest of this video is? and in the last millisecond you see someone go up at talk to the security guy.
However, they very well could have played some sort of encore or chatted it up with the audience. I dont know where the 8:20 timeline came from, but if I had to guess, it coincides with something on her phone, or was a guestimate. I think the 8:40 call was from the friends with the where are you, because the set ended and they were thinking Metallica was about to start..?
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“Was he acting like he could just “be friends” with her, with the intent in his mind he could “win her back”? Did he learn of a new interest that triggered him in some way?
B”
“be friends”:
With an obsessed, delusional individual, yes, anything to stay in her life (“he will get his way, she will eventually reciprocate”).
“trigger:
A breaking away or moving on from him – - emotionally and physically independent of him, can “live without him” – - interpreted as betrayal, refusal of him “getting his way, having her” – - yes, a trigger for an obsessed, delusional individual to spiral out.
I am going to throw this out there for the sake of those who wish to think on it.Or erase the chalk board on this possible connection.
Did Heidi’s boyfriend live in the same apt.complex as Morgan?Did someone WANT there to look like young blondes were being targeted possibly?
Also ,does anyone want to post some of the new info being discussed here in bullet points to get a look at.Then take away or add to info?
thank you ,R
Elizabeth,
I do owe you an apology. I am sorry. I guess you could say that I made a rash judgement in the blink of an eye. It was the timing. Sometimes there is a method to my madness and sometimes it is just madness. I recant.
As for where our favorite poster is, I hope someone knows. There was a Phish concert at JPJ last night. (Not to be confused with fish poster). He was probably busy bullying people and denying them re-admittance because it makes him feel important. Thanks for the insight, localgirl. You are probably right; not very smart but thinks he is. If this EX has a relative on UVa police force as I read somewhere on this long thread, you would think that he/she would notice something odd about him or be able to help pinpoint where Morgan may be. Blood may be thicker than water, but we have a missing girl here and that should trump anything. Maybe today is the day she will be located. Please let’s hope so. There is snow on the ground now.
Yes, Mandy, a fedora under your tree this year.
Comment by Elizabeth — December 6, 2009 @ 12:19 pm
Comment by Kris Kringle — December 5, 2009 @ 11:42 am
B,
I do see what is going on, crystal clear. Me thinks belief (and Elizabeth) doth protest too much…
Oh for heavens sake how do I get in this mix??? lol
I did not quite get that either, did you stick up for him or something?
B
Heck no. I can hardly keep up with the conversation…you know that.
I just think the one I am “grouped” with is a bit strange and wonder how in the heck we became “bedfellows”. lol
Maybe Kris Kringle could explain it to “us”.
Expanding on katiesro’s thinking (#1432?),
If there are 2 males – - the bf of SS and the “male friend” of the bf,
a question to ask would be how did that “male friend” arrive and how was he able to leave with Morgan from JPJ.
Speculating that this individual did not live within walking distance of the JPJ Arena . . .
Did he arrive in the same car with Morgan (possibly picked up after Hburg), his own car by himself, his own car with others, with others but in someone else’s car.
If he arrived in another car, where did he/they park? Not on the arena grounds, on the arena grounds – - away from Morgan’s party or was their pre-planned communication to park close to one another.
OK, so more thoughts…
I referenced a specific case several times. My reason is that the guy in that case was described as friendly, outgoing, an all-around good guy. He played football in high school and from what I know, came from a decent family, background, etc. But he had a rage/temper and capable of murdering someone.
Blink has said several times that she believes the BG planned this for a while. Having zeroed my radar in on a specific individual, I doubt that he planned this for a while. I think he may have planned for while a meeting with MH that night but not to kill her. If you read the story of the crime I reference several times, the couple were out on a date. She rejected him sexually and that rejection hit him on his achilles heel (or you could say tiny willy or big ego) he went ballistic and blugeoned her to death. I am starting to believe that BG told MH that he could get her in to meet Metallica or one of the other bands (LOG was local to Charlottesville). He knew this was a huge deal and probably thought it would help win her over again. Perhaps she rejected his advances that night. Perhaps she wasn’t falling all over herself to thank him and kiss his ass. Perhaps he slipped her a date rape drug to make her more accepting of his advances. The meet and greet certainly didn’t happen and I think this was because somehow she pissed him off. I think that it may have been a reality/possibility at one point, but was his carrot to dangle and was yanked at the first sign of independent, strong Morgan– or a Morgan who had moved on– not playing along as expected/desired. This would certainly upset/anger her…who knows how she would have reacted if she was indeed drugged… this could account for struggle with the young man in the parking lot. It also explains why she didn’t stick around JPJA…. it was NOT safe for her when the very security that were there to protect concert goers were all in this dude’s pocket.
That said, I feel it is more likely that he killed her in a moment of rage as opposed to plotting it out. I unfortunately think that her body will be found where the final fight took place. I think he dragged her into the woods near where they had pulled off the road and concealed her body under leaf/forest debris. This is exactly what happened in the case I keep referencing. While John Gaumer returned to the crime scene to try to conceal evidence, I doubt that this kid did. I think that while he was once arrogant, he is becoming more and more terrified of being caught because life is jail is a LOT different than the priviledged life he has led so far. Some people doubt that this could have occurred on the side of a road with no witnesses. But this could have occurred anywhere in/along the mountains. They left Charlottesville and probably headed towards Blacksburg and, if my understanding is correct (both in regards to geography and the BG’s current ‘home’ location), Roanoke. At 9:30 or 10 on a Saturday night, not many people are on those roads… they are home or close to cities for the activities (movies, sports games, bars, restaurants, etc.). I haven’t ever been able to wrap my head around how Gaumer was able to kill his victim in the much more densely populated area just outside of Baltimore, near a college capus, many neighborhoods, two towns, and an international airport. The reason I say this is that I don’t really think that he specifically placed MH anywhere and certainly not near her parents or on hunting land that he owns/has used. I don’t think he is that smart to have planned this much activity and to have not gotten caught in flagrante delicto. I think he did this, cleaned up/covered up as quickly as possible and got the hell out of there…and possibly hasn’t returned to the scene since.
[I apologize for being graphic. I had hoped for a long, long time that M. was still alive, but I no longer think she is and now just want her to be shown proper love and respect and brought home to her parents and brother]
BP- I am running down “other”. Without a connection there is no way I can put that out there, I know you understand that.
B
katesro,
My apologies for inserting the “i” in your name.
Edit on my comments – - replace “car” with “vehicle”.
“Comment by skyler — December 5, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
>>358 Comment by J2K — December 5, 2009 @ 9:38 am
skyler (re: #1338) I always respect and learn from your posts, Blink Readers: You see what is going on here?
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Oh,heck, yeah — and I think I know who this poster is, as well — growl !!”
Um… did I miss something?
Read On Beliefs posts
B
Just in case I missed something…when or how was it established that she had an ex who was in security? I’m not sure if it’s just a lot of people hypothesizing or if there was some new information. How do we know she even had an ex at all?
I can confirm she has an ex. That’s it, the rest is just speculation and possible profiles.
B
Regarding Kris Kringle’s comment about Elizabeth, I too was confused so I went back and read her post #1360. While I wouldn’t lump her in with “on belief”, Elizabeth DOES say some really harsh things about Morgan’s friends, I remembered when I read her post the first time I thought it to be presumptuous, as we don’t have any real information to lead us to believe her friends would act that way. Until proven otherwise, I’m going to give the friends the benefit of doubt, I think their actions were irresponsible due to possible intoxication, but I don’t believe for a minute that they would be that flippant, like throwing her purse out the window in a “screw you” type of move. I’m not trying to bust on Elizabeth or anything, I know MOST people on here are just concerned about Morgan and want to find her, but some of the comments regarding her friends are a little out of line, imo.
the i? I didnt see that. Maybe I missed it. No worries.