Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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localville, you’re kidding me, observer’s a chick? Ok, I guess s/he might just come off my POI list, then, lol. maybe…
She may prefer to be referred to as a she, would be my guess
B
(Blink…please decide what of this makes sense to post….I REALLY hesitate to post at all because I don’t want people to think I am a “kook” therefore disregard my thoughts)…great job BTW…thank you!!)
Hello all….I am also one that has been watching this board for some time and have been (fortunately or unfortunately) obsessed with this case since it happened. First time poster though. This abduction (is there really any doubt?) occured at UVA and my daughter is a third year student there. Please dont think I am a kook…I dont really like to even discuss the prophetic dreams and “thoughts” that come to me (proven…but unfortunately I can’t just “think up” the answers…I wish!). However, on that night, sitting at home here in Fairfax, at exactly 9:30 pm I had what was as close to a panic attack as I have ever had….I “knew” a girl had been abducted at UVA and actually was scared to death that it was my daughter (Mom’s worst fear/paranoia for sure). I actually called her to see if she was OK at that time. I did not sleep well Sat night and in the early hours of Sun morning, as I was still in the bed and “half awake” I heard someone screaming in my head…once again I “knew” there was a girl at UVA in trouble. I was so shaken that I called my daughter again (early Sun morning she was still asleep and now stated that I was “freaking her out”…understandably). All day Sun I looked for news items regarding problems at UVA. Just when I thought I must be losing it, I saw the news item about Morgan on Monday…and my heart dropped.
My thoughts: perhaps the BF-xBF was actually in JPJ at the concert and watching her. perhaps he had an opportunity to put something in her drink during the LOG concert (maybe she did not plan to go to the bathroom at all but first met up him WITHIN the arena…or maybe he took that opportunity and followed her when she went to the bathroom…?). in feeling ill or disoriented (or perhaps somehow he talked her into going outside the arena to meet up with him)…she determined that idea was a bad one and tried to get back in. Perhaps her ex was in a relationship with one of the friends (?) but rgerdless, had to separate her from them. perhaps the friends know precisely who this person is and that he disappeared from the concert for some period of time and either a> did not return at all (thus the discrep. in number persons going to the concert and number leaving?)or b>he did return after being gone for some time….thus the silence of the friends who may know precisely who the POI is. MH became scared when she could not get back in and was also under some sort of drug influence…therefore her being in various places in the lot (if she was scared …or maybe she was just pissed?…and not under some influence though, wouldn’t she have gone straight to the police while outside?). Anyway, perhaps the ex grabbed her purse at some point when they were together outside and pulled the battery and/or grabbed her purse in an attempt to prevent her from leaving….my head hurts now…I need to think about the timeline moving forward past this….
sorry, Observer! didn’t mean to chaz bono you…. : )
My mind is going in two directions here, but may come together in one.
Since Mr. H seemed so sure that Morgan’s car was left in Harrisonburg and that whe would be riding in another friend’s car, which friend’s car did he think they were taking? Was the plan among friends to take Morgan’s car all along or did somebody after they met at JMU have a reason for changing this plan? (this goes along with this night being planned for months, as others have suggested and is just a theory of course). Now, I have another question. Has it been established whether or not BF of SS attended the concert or just drove the girls to the concert and then had Morgan’s car at his disposal? So, if Morgan was put out of the concert by security and couldn’t get back in, she would probably call that person.(thus, the story from friends that she said she would get a ride from friends in Charlottesville.) This could be how friend of BF comes into the picture.
All of this is just my speculations.
Could this be another scenario in the following comment by:
Comment by wpgmouse — December 6, 2009 @ 1:24 pm
Expanding on katiesro’s thinking (#1432?),
If there are 2 males – - the bf of SS and the “male friend” of the bf,
a question to ask would be how did that “male friend” arrive and how was he able to leave with Morgan from JPJ.
Speculating that this individual did not live within walking distance of the JPJ Arena . . .
Did he arrive in the same car with Morgan (possibly picked up after Hburg), his own car by himself, his own car with others, with others but in someone else’s car.
If he arrived in another car, where did he/they park? Not on the arena grounds, on the arena grounds – - away from Morgan’s party or was their pre-planned communication to park close to one another.
BlackPearl: I do not feel this was necessarily “random.” I think he lost his temper. Meaning, I think he intended to meet with Morgan but not to kill her. This person I am profiling I am assuming would be her ex. I have taken the available photos of Morgan and established a loose chronological order by working backwards. There are coats in some, no coats in others, weather indication in the shots outside, etc. I am sure it is not perfect but it did give me a clue for my profile. Around six months ago Morgan starts to dramatically increase her eye make up and begins to wear darker clothing. In one photo she has painted her fingernails black. None of the other “nine” are dressing similar in any way. In photos from “earlier” she has a bit more weight on her and less make up. I think xbf may have inspired her to alter her appearance a bit, making me think he is not the football-playing-all-American-kid.
Blink: If you do not believe he laid a hand on her, what is your theory on a violent scenario? Are you thinking he brought a gun to the encounter or something that put him in control w/o having to physically touch her?
Yes, I am.
B
I always forget to put part of what I’m thinking and have to make two posts. Sorry…
This could also be an explanation for hitching a ride. Possibly for walking on both sides of the bridge, too. (see my last comment) If she called this person and they said they were on their way, that they would pick her up on the bridge, she thought they would be coming from one direction but he texted and said they were heading from such and such, then she would cross over to the other side. She may have playfully stuck out her thumb when she thought she thought she saw them (them as being BF of SS and BF’s male friend that he may have picked up after unamed BF let the girl’s out at concert.) Can anyone else see where I’m going here?
i do find it interesting that her exit from arena is so close in time as lambofgod,and they are from richmond ,virginia.dw says her reason for exit was -looking for friends-,its possible perp was friends of friends of lamb of god.
Hmm. Of all the pieces on the Clue board, I had yet to pick up the revolver. Could be, of course.
However, if we believe Granny, it definitely points to some hands-on violence.
Hello Blink and all fellow “100,000th Visitor”(s)! (Edit the following as you see fit, B.)
First time poster, though I’ve dropped in for a while now. I don’t feel like a “lurker” so much as a hanger-on-for-dear-life, trying to keep up with all the flying theories. Often I’ve considered registering to respond to something, but then y’all would whip around 3 more quick corners, leave me feeling like a water skier who’d fallen off and either was too dumb to let go the rope or just wanted—more than to end the buffeting!–to reach a landing. (Possibly that goes for a quite a few contributors to this site, as well.)
Anyway, is it premature to say, “Well played!” to Blink and her principal contributors? I do believe the CHEESE wedge has been moved—and decidedly—as it progressed all around the scene and finally got close enough that a RAT hiding behind a partition (or is it a tin shield and a smug identity?) could feel it pointing his way, despite his repeated dashes out in the ethersphere to turn that wedge (and our attentions) elsewhere.
Down here in C’ville we have our first snow and it’s cold out, but clearly some in the area are sweating. Let’s hope that LE—which doled out so sparingly only such raw materials as it seemed would make the blandest, least appealing of cheeses (full-of-holes Swiss, blah fontina, oh-so-mild Munster)—will turn up the heat now and sweat any & all exposed funguses until they’ve ripened the full story of Morgan’s disappearance. The second bunch of LE interviews—after the “friends”—SHOULD have been (and WAS it?) ALL the police, private security and parking personnel at that concert, because this was a textbook case of what the dog did in the night: a distressed, eye-catching woman apparently just disappears under the gaze of a whole company of supervisory monitors, who could as well have been clones of Hogan’s Sgt. Schultz.
Maybe what we’ve had here is a lesson in the blind spots and real costs of any sharply dichotomous thinking – “us” vs. “them” or “GG” vs. “BG”—on the part of LE and of the temptation for the rest of us—the PUBLIC—to shrug off, sidestep,or “leave to professionals” our own responsibilities for the ALL and the LEAST of us. There’s an overflowing file for those sorts of thinking, which is labeled “2Easy2bTrue.”
Maybe next time 1500 concerned citizens turn out to search for a missing person—and, sad to say, there’ll be a next time, somewhere—LE will have learned how to better use such a resource. For now, all of us who’ve wanted Morgan found safe and whole, or wanted at least a resolution of the tormenting uncertainty that’s bound her family for so long, let’s give thanks to Blink and crew. Now and then professing to know maybe a few scraps more than the rest on this site, Blink has been Pied Piper—ever questioning, praising here, nudging there, keeping scads of posters on point with the timely crumb of cheese—and she’s demonstrated the power of many minds (even “amateur” ones!) working toward one good goal. BlackPearl, wpgmouse, localcvillegirl, skyler, mandy, wordgirl, katesro, radiogirl, chad. . . the credits list gets too long, but keep being terriers, y’all; the rats will flush.
If Morgan’s case doesn’t now take a clearer turn toward resolution, we should have stern questions to pose. And, if it’s shown that more than one “security guard” can wear the mask of “bad guy” in this case, we might start by wondering just how far such fungus spreads in organizations tasked with protecting the “innocents” of this life-on-the-surface Facebook age. Sure, we can count on the media whipping up an occasional froth about some capital-E Evil, but how many of them begin as small-e evils that are banal (and all too human)? Let’s hope that the hold which the “XBFBG” may have had on Morgan—and friends??—didn’t stem from something as mundane as a long ago potential bust for some illicit substance, with Morgan being his price for silence.
I hold a vague hope that David W[hatchamacallit]’s comment that he “feel[s] more like a man now” might indicate that he’s had a little soul-baring chat with LE. But even if he hasn’t, he might soon. Also now that “on belief” has started talking, he seems to have plenty on his mind. And somewhere down the line, if justice is served here, someone who may have had illusions of being a pretty big cheese could wind up smelling like rotten ginkos pureed with past-its-prime Livarot! And who will love him then?
Speed that day! Let’s find Morgan.
from Mandy’s comments – -
“Blink: If you do not believe he laid a hand on her, what is your theory on a violent scenario? Are you thinking he brought a gun to the encounter or something that put him in control w/o having to physically touch her?”
“Yes, I am.
B”
Blink,
As in “licensed to use” for his job – - weapon and/or secured vehicle.
For some of the posters that were commenting on the “who care’s we are here to see Metallica, right?” quote from Morgan before the concert.
I am not sure I even believe that she did not know who was the opening act. She had the tickets for 6 months on the fridge. The tickets probably had ALL acts on the stub.
I would be more convinced if she said, ” who cares I am not going to see any of them anyway”
I am now firmly on the side of there being an x that is known by all directly involved in this case.Also there being a significant event in Morgans life 6 months ago that included this individual.So far this makes sense to me.
Judging from the news conferences with the authorities and the Harringtons,this also fits for me as well.I could also fathom that there could have been a plan of some sort or possibly more spontaneous .So far both could be possible.
None the less,someone has possibly been stewing for at least 6mos.
I’ve been following Morgan’s disappearance from the very beginning, but have been reading this site just for the past week or so. This is my first post. I’ve been trying to catch up on what you all are discussing/speculating/comprehending about what happened to Morgan that dark night.
I am still intrigued by the fact that Morgan and Heidi looked so much alike, especially to a distant observer. Did the BG/former boyfriend follow Heidi and David thinking it was Morgan, see them in a passionate embrace, kill David, then execute Heidi? By that point he had shot David; he had to kill Heidi even if she weren’t Morgan.
He lays very low for awhile, but as he appears to be getting away with the double murder, he becomes emboldened and goes after Morgan, his original target, again. Now, since he’s already killed twice, Morgan has to die or it’s all been rather senseless.
Maybe when he first followed H&D, killing wasn’t his primary motivation, but he had his gun, became overcome with hatred and that’s what happened. However, once he fixated on Morgan again, she was dead to him, no matter what.
I can see that the BG probably had some connection to security or one of the bands at JPJA that night. But I think he lives in the Blacksburg/Roanoke area, and put Morgan would be somewhere between Cville and Roanoke.
At least, that’s what I’m thinking today.
PSA to OB -
If you’re going to insult someone’s level of intelligence, Rule No. 1: turn on spellcheck.
(*ching* The More You Know…)
Mind-numbing, pointlessly offensive and – more to the point – pointless (on OB’s end). But! Just when I was thinking, “J2K, you will never get those five minutes back,” I managed to glean this instant classic from B: “if it is your common practice to be an invited guest and take a dump on the tile as soon as you hit the solarium, you should probably take your verbal graffiti elsewhere.”
I said Good Day, sir.
I. Said. GOOD. DAY.
As far as skyler’s comment, however, I did not see the context for it in that (discount) section of a.m. posts. I’m sure it was nothing, but I’d been away from the screen for awhile and was surprised upon my return to find myself in what seemed like the scope of a snot-shot… but I couldn’t tell what direction it was coming from or from who.
sky – I did appreciate your (seemingly unrelated) follow-up post. Very graciously stated, and I extend the same sentiment to you.
Regarding Mandy’s comment about the possible use of a gun, the sight of one would certainly have ensured Morgan’s cooperation insofar as going wherever he wanted her to. If it were me, I’d have started screaming bloody murder and risked letting him shoot me right there rather than go with him, but that’s just me. It’s entirely possible she thought she could calm him down. I haven’t heard any reports of anyone saying they heard screams that night. If she didn’t scream, that might tend to indicate that she knew the person and thought she could handle him.
I think we all agree that odds are that the battery from Morgan’s phone was removed to prevent GPS tracking. So we assume the person(s) who took Morgan did take the battery out of the phone to prevent being tracked. I hate to even think about this, but after they did whatever they did with/to Morgan, took the purse back to the place where it was found the next morning.(where the BB players had had contact with or been approached by Morgan the night before.) When she called someone for a ride, maybe they heard voices in the background and ask her where she was at that time or who she was with, etc. They then took the purse w/phone back and dropped it there after everyone had left the parking area. Depending on what area of the lot the phone was found in, it does seem like someone would have seen it or tripped over it or something if it was dropped there at 9:30 the night before.
I’ve been reading about disposable cell phones, which I had never heard of until I read something about them on here some time back. Thinking about LE’s question about Morgan asking to use a phone, what if the one or ones who took Morgan had one of these phones and she was able to grab it and try to call for help. If this person was someone who new Morgan and her friends, it’s possible that their number was stored in the phone and would have been just the push of a button. The person catches Morgan in the act and the call is stopped but not before it showed up on the receiver’s end.
wpg – re: “Observer comment:
“I strongly encourage all readers to pay very close attention to the cogent observations in J2K’s Dec. 5, 9:38am post, as she articulates well some important points for readers’ consideration.”
Observer,
Respectfully … I don’t quite know how to respond to your words “cogent observations” in that I am not sure of what you may or may not be implying.”
I certainly can’t speak for the esteemed Observer, but I think it may have been in reference to this portion of my post (#1358), which, imo, strongly still stands to reason:
Some of you are is zeroing in on the significance of the possible placement or latitude/longitude of a purse, phone and battery cover owned by MH… which I get: it’s all we got.
The answer to these questions, however, does not make these “discoveries” particularly notable or worth post after post of introspection. I’m sorry to seem dismissive, but the off-chance there was tangible, relative, non-MH DNA on these items (handled by multiple people who had no idea of their significance before touching them Sunday morning) is remote, and LE’s got that trace evidence by now if it existed… though, it doesn’t appear to have drastically furthered the investigation. If the battery, as opposed to its case, was found in a different area and, as such, extended the timeline or indicated the crime scene, I’ll give LE the benefit of the doubt they’d be on top of that, too.
MH was in the vicinity of JPJ on the night of Oct. 17 and was separated from these personal items at some point. The minutia surrounding their discovery will tell us little: she either dropped them knowingly/unknowingly; they were forcibly stripped from her; they were used as a weapon; they were planted by the perp after the crime; they were tossed by a petty thief and subsequently found in a different area than they were discarded…
These scenarios would only be significant (to non-LE) if there was an even bigger shroud of mystery surrounding this case (say, she took off for JMU alone, and disappeared). We know where she was. We know where she “disappeared” from. And we know she clearly didn’t have her backpack-broken-strap-purse and three-quarters of her phone when she did so.
She either left that scene dead, voluntarily, or was forced. Her phone is DONE at 9:30 pm, and later found in pieces. If a “perp” planted the purse/phone, neglected to notice he left it behind, or purposely left it behind without the battery, it doesn’t change the fact that their discovery loosely means she was in the vicinity of her personal belongings’ final resting spot on that night – ie, she was in the arena/out of the arena/near the Copeley Bridge/gone. The fact that these items were found changes nothing in that regard, save for indicating she did not spontaneously self-combust (there would have been singe marks).
Not that I don’t chase theories in wrong directions ad nauseum, but aren’t we past this?
And if the answer is ‘no, we shouldn’t be’ – what more could we possibly learn from these items?
Now, if anyone can tell me who MH was with when she left the front of the JPJ arena at 9 pm, I’m all ears…
….hmmm…it would seem to me that if she was HH maybe she planned to just get out of there and was thinking she would go to the home/apt of a friend, but I cant believe she would be HH to go out of town….and I don’t think she would look like she is HH just for grins while waiting on someone specific to come pick her up….i would think she intended to come back to her car…maybe the ex somehow got back to her after she ran away while she was HH….but how would he force her in the car without someone seeing….perhaps she was more p$#@# than scared at that point and just got in the car with him willingly ..?
Josie, I agree with you that MH’s exit could have been caused by a connection inside which caused her to go for a meeting outside. I don’t think she decided to go out on her own.
I believe the ex-bf might not have been a serious bf but was one that encouraged (supplied) drugs to her. He’s not from a privileged background–not that H’s cared about that–it was the drugs, punk rocker, death metal, etc, that they felt was swaying their daughter off course. Morgan’s spending (ATM withdrawals) may have been used for purchases the parents did not appreciate. Hence, once they got her away from the dude and his influence, they could help her manage her finances and drug-free life.
I managed a staff of 40 or so people doing food demonstrations (tastings) for a large box warehouse store. More than half of them were in recovery from meth. With most of them you wouldn’t know (except for some really bad teeth). I also know some very lovely girls who’ve had to be in rehab a few times to get them away from meth. Your response would have been “HER?” I think perhaps the ex-bf may have been a smack boy, as boys tend to use it more than girls. They also, once they’re into it fully, think they can control it and beat it.
So, ex-bf carries a knife. After getting her to go with him, he challenges her on the reasons for their break up. He thinks she should decide for herself and not take her parent’s views into account.
He is very angry with the H’s. He wants her to pick him and she tells him that it’s not the same anymore and she’s not into him.
And then the scenario goes violent.
Now, am I stereotyping to say that I think he’s between 22 and 30, a known drug user, tattooed and pierced, wearing tight black clothing, kickass boots, carrying a good-sized utility knife? He has some misdemeanors for graffiti and minor in possession?
I meant to say that I thought this bf went to high school with Morgan. They went to the school she had to transfer out of….
Blink
If this is the XBF-BG that met up with her at the concert, do you think the friends know she was with him?
Yes
B
Also! Talk about late for the dance…
I think MH was on Ecstasy (mdma) and alcohol. Meth, if she was having a renewed experience, could have caused erratic behavior. All the other drugs suggest a soporific affect, imho.
RE: suz: You are correct; I am indeed female—and not a/the POI.
RE: localcvillegirl: Did I disclose my gender in an earlier post? If so, please re-direct. TIA.
RE: Word Girl Dec. 6 2am: ‘Observer, we’re ready when you are.” I’m here and am happy to assist but am uncertain exactly what you’re seeking. Please advise; TIA.
RE: J2K’s Dec 5, 9:38am post and cogent observations: I believe that J2K’s post merits attention by the readers inasmuch as she summarizes well her position. More importantly, in the post J2K offers a healthy reminder to re-ground ourselves as we collectively focus on bringing MH home.
RE: “the thin blue line” and “secret” LE decals:
There is a broad swathe of urban myths that abound in society, witnessed in no greater measure than on the internet. An example of this is the alleged “secret” decal or sticker that LE can display on their POV (personally owned vehicle) to allegedly alert other members of LE that the driver is a member of this very close-knit fraternity. The alleged purpose of the decal is for the LE driver to avoid being stopped or ticketed by another LE officer.
At least in VA (I cannot speak to other states), this is indeed a myth. It is likewise believed by some—-though not in LE—-that if you display a VSP sticker or bumper sticker that says “State Troopers Are Your Friend” and you are pulled over, you will not receive a ticket.
All of the above is a myth. [Note: The thin blue line decal is not in and of itself a myth; the purported purpose of the decal is.]
Readers are cautioned from accepting as fact everything one reads or “hears” on the internet.
A second and recent example of this same dynamic comes immediately to mind with regard to Darrell Rice. Someone read on the internet that Rice had gained early release in August at the hands of a judge. Some later conjectured that Rice might be connected to the MH disappearance.
Rice was incarcerated at the time of the MH disappearance.
Bottom line: While decidedly a tool of incalculable value, the internet also unfortunately serves as a vehicle for unintentional misinformation in many instances. Some more naïve readers may be of the mind that “If I read it, i.e., in a newspaper or on the internet, it must be true.” Sadly, the reality could not be farther from the truth.
[The good news: the readers here are, by and large, much more saavy than that.,]
The Temptations sang it best in “Heard It Through the Grapevine”: “Believe half of what you see, son, and none of what you hear.” [While that’s admittedly a bit extreme. readers hopefully get the gist.]
Disclaimer: The above is not an admonishment; rather, it is a cautionary note.
Re: Mandy, Dec. 4, 2:11pm: Although the common thought is that MH is no longer alive, the reason why search efforts are not currently in play is because it is unknown where to look. Search grids are arranged using very specific patterns covering very specific areas. When a bonafide search area is unknown, i.e., there is no way to accurately identify the general area where a recovery effort may be most fruitful, it is difficult to initiate a successful search.
To explain this a bit better, I refer back to my earlier position that I maintain: MH’s remains are within a 25 mi. radius of CV, in the five-county area surrounding CV. Albemarle County alone accounts for 744 sq. miles of that five-county area. LE believes that MH entered a vehicle on/around the Copeley Bridge and exited CV; her trajectory after that and subsequent location remain a mystery.
Unrelated notes:
I do not believe that:
1. the perpetrator of the MH disappearance is now or ever was a member of LE;
2. the perpetrator works now or ever worked in the security industry;
3. the perpetrator is in any way related to, by casual friendship or otherwise, the JPJ security detail;
4. the perpetrator is related in any way to Metallica or LOG;
5. DW is in any way responsible for or complicit in the MH disappearance;
6. the “belief” poster is in any way responsible for the MH disappearance;
5. BB players are in any way responsible for the MH disappearance;
6. the Childs-Metzler murders are in any way related to the MH disappearance;
7. the Harringtons know—-or, suspect they know specifically (emphasis on “specifically”)—-who abducted their daughter.
I believe that:
1. MH did indeed go to, entered, and exited JPJ before Metallica went on-stage.
2. DH believes that the person responsible for MH’s disappearance is from the CV area, because he (DH) believes the perpetrator was familiar enough with CV to be able to quickly effect an abduction and exit the area promptly.
3. LE believes—-and I concur in this opinion—-that MH may have attempted to borrow a phone from an unknown person. I believe that LE believes this because:
a. there is at least one unanswered call—with no message left–of unknown origin on one of MH’s friends’ phone, with a number untraceable because the call originated from a Tracfone; or
b. as MH’s phone was no longer functional, she may have attempted to–but not necessarily did—borrow a phone from someone else.
c. Geller stated: “We don’t have any evidence she made other calls but we’d like to know.”
Based on (c), I vote for (b).
4. Blackpearl is onto something, e.g., “I feel it is more likely that he killed her in a moment of rage as opposed to plotting it out”; “I think he dragged her into the woods near where they had pulled off the road and concealed her body under leaf/forest debris”; “Some people doubt that this could have occurred on the side of a road with no witnesses. But this could have occurred anywhere in/along the mountains”; “I don’t really think that he specifically placed MH anywhere and certainly not near her parents or on hunting land that he owns/has used.”; “I think he did this, cleaned up/covered up as quickly as possible and got the hell out of there…and possibly hasn’t returned to the scene since.”
Last (perhaps most important) note: LE is monitoring this site, and others like it.
Read Observers post carefully, then read it again. The only thing I may disagree with is that the Harrington’s on some cognizant level have an incling about who may be responsible for this. Believing otherwise given their daily interaction and direct access, one could then only assume it is a stranger, and I do not believe that, and from your post, but not wanting to put words in your mouth, neither do you.
B
Wow, Lee! That was some post and I don’t think you are a kook. What time did you hear the screaming in your head on Sunday AM? Maybe that could be something to work with.
Word Girl, I will check on the cheese supply. Do you need crackers too?
Georgie, you are right. I just jumped to conclusions re Elizabeth because I felt that I should defend MH’s friends. But instead of defending them, I just lumped her in with belief, which I do regret. I don’t know them but do know that this nightmare will stay with them for years to come. They made some bad decisions, but I believe that they will always wish they had reported her missing that night.
on belief said:
“Her friends left her there and never followed up because……….”
…I think because they knew who she was with.
OK on belief….you have been absent since yesterday…and so has cali love (Blink did you delete some of their posts? can u tell us what posts were deleted?)
So, on belief….you are:
…sorry accidentally sent prior post…lemme finish…
on belief…you are:
- not smart enough to go to UVA, altho you fancy yourself to be….what, didnt get accepted? a decent athlete but also not good enough to play at that level, and not at UVA?
- obviously close enough to be playing a cat and mouse game with all of us
- obviously angry with Morgan and what you perceive to be her life-style
- don’t like the Harrington either..
- a coward.
have a nice day on belief.
I did not. I did change “on belief” hat from his original blinkonbelief, this is my house, over my dead bippy is a troll gonna sully my name, I can do a fine job of that on my own.
B
Hey, J2K, post 446 —
My original post said that I, too, respect and learn from your posts — but when I hit “submit” it didn’t come out that way — : )– I think you add great insight on this board, and I really look forward to your posts : )
As far as the LOG video of potentially “Morgan” — couldn’t Sara watch the video and identify if that is she and Morgan in front of the stage ? The girl in the video has really long hair — is Morgan’s hair that long ? If it is Morgan — and I pray it is — that at least eliminates all the speculation of whether or not she was ever inside the arena, and an approximate time line — and — her behavior — and I think LE can at least verify to the public if that’s Morgan –
My son and his friend just left — I had them lugging in Christmas boxes out of the shed, and chasing the dog that got loose and all of us just laughing —
Morgan outta be laughing with her friends, baking Christmas cookies w/ her family —
‘scuse my language, but damn you to hell whoever took her — growl !!!
Hi Observer, as always, it’s great to hear from you. No I didn’t refer to you as a female. I think Suz mistakenly read your name in my post #1431, where I wrote “Questioner”, but wasn’t sure enough if she was referencing my post to try to correct it. Funny, though, and I think it’s cool that you’re also a girl.
skyler [1466]–I’m pretty sure that SS knows for sure whether or not Morgan was inside the arena, so I’m not quite sure how having her make an identification from the LOG video would help. (Who knows what for sure is SO confusing in this case.)
Can anyone refresh this ole’girls memory? Was the gun used in the double slaying of D& H a standard issue as in military or LE.?IIRC it was mentioned earlier that was the case.I’m just ruminating a bit on this angle .For today anyway…..TIA
Blink: I’m only on about the 150th post on this particular site, having more or less stopped reading a few days ago after I read the post in which you wrote where you feel or believe MH is, and/or will be found.
The exact MM you wrote is where, for several weeks, I too have felt she is/was/will be found.
Lived in C’ville years ago in the graduate student housing on Farrish Circle and spent quite a bit of time walking Copeley Rd to Foods of All Nations and the 7-11, jogging on Lanningan, going to events in U-Hall, etc.
Traveled many times to Waynesboro and stopped many times at that rest area.
Feel free to delete this as I just wanted to convey it to you.
….hmmm…could there perhaps be a connection to the EMT community rather than law enforcement…? just a thought..could there be a friend of a friend EMT connection?
oh how funny, yes localcvillegirl, that’s exactly what i did. Let this be a lesson to you kids out there: don’t drink and post..!
skyler, since LE has said that Morgan left the arena, was trying to get back into the arena, and was seen all over the parking lot at the arena, I think it’s safe to assume she was there. BUT i know just what you mean—everything LE says is so abstruse, I wish they would come out and verify even the simplest of things in a very straightforward way: yes, she was at the concert, we saw her on surveillance video tape inside the arena. yes, her car was definitely at the concert. yes, her dad bought x number of tickets, and y number of those tickets were used.
Blink, if Morgan’s friends know who she left with, do you think they told LE? Did anyone tell the Harringtons?
Blink, in my first post, I neglected to thank you for having such an informative, intelligent site. Everyone who posts here definitely has their thinking caps on!
I think they have, yes.
TY.
B
J2K #1460-
“I said good day, sir”
“I.Said. GOOD DAY”
Is that a “Tootsie” reference?
wpg- I believe that there were two cars. I feel that they met the other guy there. Perhaps because he did not live anywhere near the two colleges the others went to. I do not believe the friends or BF knew anything was up. As far as parking I would have to look at the vicinity. I am not familiar with UVA as I am in Texas. Let me look to scope it out. However, the BF’s friend may be a season ticket holder.
Comment by Kris Kringle — December 6, 2009 @ 5:15 pm
Wow, Lee! That was some post and I don’t think you are a kook. What time did you hear the screaming in your head on Sunday AM? Maybe that could be something to work with.
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Kris Kringle, it was about 6:30 on Sunday morning…but then it sounds as though most here feel that whatever happened to Morgan happened quickly after she was taken from the area (?)…maybe my antenae were just overactive at that point…I was really feeling anxious about my continued feelings about something being badly wrong the night before…even talking to my daughter didnt help alleviate my fears….
Does anyone think that Morgan and her x-bf planned to go to the concert together before what may have been a split 6 months prior to the concert? If so, he knew she would be there and maybe he was pissed that she was having fun and she wasn’t with him (as originally planned).
I think the GOOD DAY reference is South park!!?!! Cartman at his best. But Cartman could be referencing Tootsie (am i showing my age here?)
Observer – good post…very informative and helpful. Thank you! Surprised you are a girl…but not so surprised either, as a woman totally could communicate eloquently their feelings, while a man could not!
JK.
J2K is a girl too?
Ok but besides girls and boys – Blink, I know you REALLY dont think that the she took the battery out herself…somehow I just dont buy that. I think whoever did this is smart, but I am not sure he is so smart to take the battery out, especially if he dumped the bag with the phone in another location. Do you have anything behind the scenes to support the battery was taken out by BG and not MH herself?
On another note about the phone, I found this Web site:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080622225922AAv240z
Just a question/answer session, but some interesting notes about which cell phones can be pinged and how.
I think I may have read somewhere that Morgans phone had no SIM card – if thats the case, how do the police know the battery was removed around 9:30? Is that NO ACTIVITY at 9:30 or POWER OFF at 9:30?
Because they explain if you have a SIM card, when you power the phone off, it sends your last location to the towers upon shut down…so if she had one, we would have her last location. If she didnt have one, how do we know what time the phone had no activity – ie: the 9:30 shutdown time?
Also, an answer from the board by a police officer:
“They certainly can be tracked, A rough distance can be calculated via the signal strength from one cell tower, the more cells the phone roams through the greater the accuracy. Did you know that some phones can still be tracked even when the battery is removed (Yes it can, trust me). Also some phones can be remote dialled from external terminals and the dialler can eaves drop on the conversation from the phone. Some phone viruses can clone a phone, so when you turn it off it actually goes into a standby mode (You think it is off) however it then gets remote activated and voila, You get caught.”
Some phones can be traced without the battery in them…if this guy was smart enough to know to take the battery out, then he must know the above information.
I just dont think we can firmly confirm that the BG removed the battery or that the battery is of significance…
Blink, if I have posted anything that has been posted before, feel free to edit, etc. I am new to posting on forums (only started with this case), so dont really know the proper etiquette yet. Thanks
…I am about to sign off here but was wondering something about Morgan’s brother…does he got to UVA or live in the c’ville area? I saw a photo of him a while back that made me think maybe he was into the heavy metal scene too…just curious although I am sure LE would have that angle covered by now….(meaning anyone she may have met thru him…)
Hi Blink et al.,
Several things struck me regarding this case:
1) IF Morgan was asked to leave the arena (Huge “if” ) I believe there should have been an incident report written to support removal. How could a facility of that size eject patrons (based on intoxication or substance use especially) with out a CYA strategy. It seems unbelievable that a patron can be forced to leave the facility based on suggested intoxication or drug use without some procedures occurring to support the patron AND protect the facility. What if an accident occurred? Could the facility be held responsible in some degree? This is why I find it difficult to believe she was ejected from the arena due to intoxication.
2) IF (another big IF) Morgan had a history of drug use/abuse it probably isn’t necessary to reveal this to all the arm chair detectives. I think the people who need to know, know. My only hope is IF it turns out to have some truth in it and if it has some bearing on Morgan’s disappearance, the parents consider speaking to others of some of the inherent dangers of that lifestyle. Perhaps another young person will avoid traveling down such a dangerous path.
3)Very early on, before there was even a facebook group about Morgan there was a facebook event. The event was listed on my friend’s facebook page and that is how I found out about Morgan. I goggled Morgan to find the story. One posting struck me then and from that moment that is the story I have held onto as what happened. I have not been able to find the posting or even verify where it was from, so Blink feel free to delete this unverifiable recollection of the post if it doesn’t further the cause. The posting said something like -hey alec, tell them who played with your peepee when you were little, he likes little girls too–
I thought the posting was profanely indecent and vulgar, but thought: this would be a guy who probably would have a lot invested in keeping Morgan from ruining his life (how he would probably interpret it). Of course I pushed that a few steps further and had the guy responsible for the double homicide near VT for similar reasons. I have not heard this possibility investigated—someone who had an emotional hold over Morgan and really was getting anxious about losing the hold.
4)I think what is stirring some of the craziness on both this site and others is the impotence everyone is feeling. We want so much to do something to help the cause and unfortunately it just isn’t happening. I live in Northern Virginia but am willing to travel towards Charlottesville and would be happy to venture down side roads and pull-off and venture in the woods a little–With your expertise in this field, would organizing this and encouraging others to do it be a good idea?
Keep up the great work—you have some very talented writers and thinkers on the site.
Observor: Hi observor! We all have been waiting for you to post. Thank you for your post. Jk2, re read post again. If I may ask, do you believe, and please comment if you feel comfortable, believe that the perp is someone she knew, and also if the perp is from a “previous Morgan life….ie, BF.
In summary, if I am reading, and (I did re-read again per Blink) glasses in tow, that they have a probable suspect/ POI, but they do not have location? But LE is griding out all possible directional hyways of possiblitiies as to where the body may be?
Legal eagle question? Is finding Morgans body imperative to securing a suspect arrest? Do they need to “find the body” before they can make an arrest?
Le must not have even enough of circumstantial evidence to even to be able to make an arrest at this point? Can you “hint” even as to whether they have at least 1 POI?
There have been cases where a suspect has been taken into questioning, custody, and even arrested, without a body.
Where will LE be as far in their investigation without Morgan’s body (assuming she has persihed)
Blackpearl, J2k, Carson: all very awesome posts! Keep it going all! Thank you for your contribution to this board.
Just some random questions & thoughts…
If friends knew who MDH was with, what do you think his story was when questioned? Has he been questioned? Was there ever enough evidence to search his vehicle?
I’ve been very curious about why there seemed so little interest by LE in the vehicle driven to the concert, since there was (and still appears to be) so much conflicting inf’n about who drove what car to the concert. If they have this particular person in their sights, who has a separate vehicle, then the lack of interest makes sense.
OnBelief reminds me of someone who’s posted here and on FB under another name, someone who did attend UVa and who is familiar with student athletes.
I don’t know what to think about witness accounts of MDH and degree of intoxication/impairment. Some accounts imply that she was extremely intoxicated, but for her to have walked around as much as she did, with what seems to be an aim to get help or surround herself with people, I think she was very self-aware, whether or not she was fully aware of the danger she was in.
I know that family & friends may be reading this, so I hesitate to speak of her body. I leave it to you to determine if this question should be posted: How far out can tox screens be done on a body to determine if someone was drugged? After this much time, would anything show up?
Above bolded by me.
Yep.
B
wpg- i just had another thought if this was no premeditated. what if the fight was about her texting another guy nad that is why the battery was out. Although I believe it to be the gps issue, this is just another thought. If she were with a guy at the concert then was texting another guy that would be enough to cause a fight and someone taking the battery out to not allow her to make any calls/texts. A jealous rage setting in.
Hey, Suz, 482 — yes, that’s exactly my thinking — I’ve always believed Morgan was at the concert and left after LOG — but how many hundreds (thousands?) of posts everywhere that advance the theory that she was never there, and then add the sentence “because there’s no video/digital pix of her in the arena”
Well, if that is Morgan — here’s the video ‘proof’ —
Step 1 —
Now, if the blasted BB players would just make a public statement — listen, we saw her, this is our convesation, then we left — (which is what I think happened) —
Step 2 —
Lee, thanks for posting — that’s not an easy thing to admit, and I admire your courage — and for what it’s worth, I don’t think Morgan was killed instantly — I do think it was pre-meditated and thought out — not spur of the moment — but then there was so much publicity, the perp killed her — I think he tortured her first, though — maybe even for several days —
And I hope beyond hope that LE is breathing down his slimy little neck !
RE Lee #486- Yes, most people do believe that MH met her demise much earlier than 6:30AM 10/18, but no one really knows. (Wouldn’t it be great if there was no demise and she is found alive and well and we were all wrong?) I believe that daylight was the perp’s enemy and it would probably be getting light at about that time, so it may have been your anxiety that you knew someone had been abducted, but who knows? Was your daughter freaked out when she found out that you had a basis for your concern?
In a way, plays into my theory. One would need dark cover to not be seen accessing a property, but faint light to check what it would look like to a passer by.
Observer,
Profound song choice.
Blink or Observer:
Re: the “unanswered call to a friend’s phone from a tracfone”–any idea of the time of that call? Could it have been an attempt by MH to call for help? By tracfone, do you mean the type of phone normally bought by people who do not want to be traced, or have insufficient funds/ credit to obtain a phone contract? Thanks.
RE: J2K’s Dec. 6, 4:06 post: You are correct–I was referencing that section of your earlier post because I believe it contains critical perspective for the readers, i.e., to re-ground and re-focus.
RE: The Harringtons knowledge (or not) of MH’s assailant: They may indeed have an individual in mind who they believe is the assailant; however, for reasons I unable to share at this time, I remain unconvinced of that.
Unrelated thought: Late last week I had occasion to drive over the Copeley Bridge a few times on the way to and from meetings. In a cold, windy rain the Tibetan prayer flags flapped on the bridge, reminding me of what I somehow perceive was MH’s indominable spirit. The flags, along with other memorabilia along the brige, served as poignant reminders of MH; as I gazed again toward the Lanningan RV lot, I asked again out loud “Dear, sweet Morgan–what happened to you?…”
That touched my bullseye Observer. It was Blink Jr’s turn to pick the movie this weekend, and we saw 2012. The tibetan prayer flags distracted me from the plot of the film when the scene shifted to Tibet. I ask her daily to help us, to help her.
B
So I admit now that I have no experience with this sort of thing. But I read the news a lot, am a logical thinker, like to people watch and am a Generation Y-er (digital native and close in age to MH). I’ve barked up some wrong trees, but hopefully it moved the discussion forward in some way and didn’t slow us down.
If BG is not LE or security…then what?
Lee suggested a connection to the EMT community. Does this relate to any of the calls for ambulance/medical on Oct. 17 that were cancelled or not completed? I remember seeing a link to a chart posted somewhere.
Also, reading Observers post again. The second time carefully, as instructed, I have a question. The first thing that stood out to me, while reading, was that Observer does NOT believe: “4. the perpetrator is related in any way to Metallica or LOG” Observer, did you accidentally forget to include the other band, Gojira, in this group? Observer says that she does believe (as does DH) that the person who took Morgan is from the CV area. This seems to eliminate any connection to Gojira who I understand to be from from Europe.
Ugh. [Bangs head against the wall] I feel clueless again. At least we scared up some rats this week.