Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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The whole “good day” thing is probably first from Willy Wonka, then from Tootsie, then from That 70′s Show as well as frequently said by Rob Spiwak on The Don and Mike (radio) Show.
Questioner I’m curious as to why you say Midway … as in Midway Farm, Greenwood? That is just the area I was thinking of (with Misty Mountain camp and the deserted motor lodge up on a hill).
Would love for you to explain your choices of Midway/Greenwood and Afton (Blink: both are on/off 250W before you get to Blue Ridge Pkwy and Skyline Dr.). Thanks.
Observer’s comments:
“wpgmouse, 12/6, 11:29pm: The person responsible for MH’s disappearance may (or, may not) live in/near CV. I do not believe that it is material to this investigation whether or not the individual had access to the residence of someone else living near CV, or had access to a facility nearby for any purposes associated with this case. I believe that the perpetrator left CV with MH and brought her to a point (outside) elsewhere, not to a residence or other facility.”
Observer, sorry, you misunderstood. I meant access to place/facilities to “clean up” before returning within the timeline to the “circle” at JPJ Arena has per BlackPearl’s scenario. He has some knowledge of forensics and investigative practices, therefore I do not believe he took MH to any of above mentioned spaces.
lisa (re: #1575/Levity)
I hesitate to be the one to break this to you – as yes, definitive answers are few and far between on this site – but I started this, so…
“I. said. GOOD. DAY.” is older than “That 70′s Show” – and older than the 1970s, in fact. It was first used around 1950 as a catchphrase by that large, white, butt-whoopin’ rooster from Looney Tunes, Foghorn Leghorn, later it was a line in the movie “Tootsie,” when Dustin Hoffman is auditioning (in drag) for the role in a soap opera, and lastly, as you note, Fes’s heavily accented exit line on “That 70′s Show.”
Oh, wait. One more (an annotated version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs
So to you, lisa, in the spirit of virtual comradery, I say good day!
(All together now: “I. Said. GOOD. DAY.”
I wholeheartedly concur with the 25-mile (or so) from C’ville radius, for the simple reason that once something had happened and the BG had either a restrained young woman or a body on his hands, he’s not going to be driving around for long with her. He may not have gone into the mountains, not unless he’s very familiar with the area and isn’t overly concerned about dark, twisting roads. He could have gotten on the Parkway, but my guess is he’d have taken one of the major arteries out of town, like Route 29. I doubt he’d have gotten on the Interstate. 25 miles in any direction on, say, Rt. 29 would put him “out in the country.” There, he’d have plenty of options insofar as woods and bodies of water. Any way you look at it, it’s a huge area in which to try to organize searches. I’m afraid I think the discovery will be accidental.
Hope we can get some organized seaches going.
Speaking informally with a former Albemarle Co Deputy Sheriff he notes that he has worked many murders in his years. He said with “all the mine shafts in Albemarle it would be easy to hide anything and it would never be found”
I asked him about the Comfort Inn searches which seem to be the opposite way.
Interesting too that this was the only motel search with publicity.
Anyone hear of other motel searches ?
He thinks that the motel may be where they went initially but then when things went wrong ” he probably went West, to West Virginia or even further into Southeast Virginia ”
So if BG is an avid hunter with “knowledge of caves and mine shafts, it may be a long time to find MH if she is out there.”
Also, my 9 yo godson says the whole GOOD DAY thing based on a cartoon, but I’m not sure what…
Hello acho. Yes, that little Greenwood Motel is still there on 250, and it has not changed a bit since I was a little girl. It’s a gutted out derelict looking place, but always has a few cars parked out front. This makes me think of a similar place much closer to JPJ…if you go up behind Teague Funeral Home by the Kluge Children’s Hospital you can go up the back side of McCormick Mountain (semi-trespassing, I think huh Observer?). The Behavioral Sciences dept from Uva uses this old motel back there, and I came up on it while running and let me tell you, I picked it up a little. McCormick backs up somehow to Observatory Hill…trails all through these parts, and I’ve been on most of them at one time or another. Misty Mountain Campground is still in Greenwood at the foot of Afton, and they do have long-term people. It was packed that next weekend with the 2-day Crozet music festival.
As far as hunters and weigh stations, they may weigh at Toddsbury’s in Ivy, and probably at several places in Crozet…Brownsville Market for one. If BG quickly dumped Morgan’s body she may not be on hunting land, but just over the side of a road somewhere. Yes, skyler, like over a lookout on 64 or the Parkway.
But if BG is from the internet, he could have taken off in any direction…29 N to Washington, DC; 64 E to Richmond or VA Beach; or 29 S to Lynchburg. It is so rural all around Charlottesville that she could be anywhere. I’ve got my eyes open, though, and am looking everywhere I go.
Observer, while I have felt from the beginning that MH knew her abductor, I find your scenario very possible. I think that the difficulties alluded to in MH’s writing, as well as some of the statements and blog entries made by her parents have pointed me more towards an individual that is “known” by MH. However, your scenario still fits in with these thoughts and sits better with me than a total and complete stranger. I haven’t switched from the thought that this is a person from her past…but considering.
Comment by questioner — December 7, 2009 @ 3:44 pm [Blink - I have several areas that I’m particularly interested in searching, can I post photos here, for your eyes only?]
Comment by questioner — December 7, 2009 @ 6:23 pm [Two locations should be searched. Afton, Va, and Midway, Va.]
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Questioner, there is a discussion about continuing searches currently taking place on HFMDH/facebook. You may want to compare notes/get in touch with some of these folks:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=feed&story_fbid=197887751575&gid=162224546575
LOL Blink, the tibetan buddhist link was just for you!
B
Comment by suz — December 7, 2009 @ 12:42 am
RNmom, the purse was found sunday morning, and the dad has said that wherever Morgan is now, she doesn’t have ID on her, so i reckon her ID was in her purse and the uva le could have called to say hey, we found your purse (maybe she still had her folks’ address on her ID?)
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I hate to keep bringing this up, but where has it said anywhere that the UVA police called the Harrington’s at 8:30 am? I don’t remember seeing this. If true wouldn’t that cause her parents to call her then? If I got a call saying they found my daughters purse Id and Cell phone without battery, I would immediately begin to worry and and start contacting friends. It said the Harrington’s didn’t contact friends until after she didn’t show up for her tutoring. Does anyone else not find this odd? And, I just want to know where on belief may have found this info.
Excellent Catch RN mom. I am aware this information is correct, but I had never released it.
UVA PD calling the contact info on file from Morgan’s Student ID is how The Harrington’s were alerted Morgan was unaccounted for, essentially.
Purse/ID/Cell is Found- Harrington’s contacted. Harrington’s call friends, by the afternoon realize through their efforts, that they now believe Morgan is missing.
As important as this work is, some days I sincerely hate it. H A T E I T.
The terror I know these people felt/feel haunts me as I type their realization.
On Belief had inside information, there you have it.
B
Observer,
IF, and I stress IF, Morgan was the victim of someone she met on line (I suggest a stalker who saw her online-photo – - not an innocent “blind date” arrangement), or of a stranger abduction, then IMO, LE has an Obligation, with a capital O, to make the community aware. If this is not an individual unique to Morgan in some personal respect, then how does LE justify the community believing this is an isolated event.
I agree.
B
I believe that I read somewhere you can now check game on-line. If so, maybe a notice re MH and requesting their assistance with eyes wide open while out in the woods/fields could be posted on the site(s?).
B- I hope that you are wearing your blaze orange while you run near hunting areas.
If I found myself there, absolutely, and good advice for anyone. Mr. Blink also advises to seek out the Game Warden in the area, anyone?
B
Observer’s comments:
“wpgmouse, 12/6, 11:29pm: The person responsible for MH’s disappearance may (or, may not) live in/near CV. I do not believe that it is material to this investigation whether or not the individual had access to the residence of someone else living near CV, or had access to a facility nearby for any purposes associated with this case. I believe that the perpetrator left CV with MH and brought her to a point (outside) elsewhere, not to a residence or other facility.”
Sorry, I should have added to my earlier response:
As I am unaware of the identity of the individual, I cannot rule out, without facts presenting otherwise, the individual having access to a residence or some type of enclosed place situated within the time-line of the case nor the obvious importance this would be to the case.
Observer: following your line of thinking, perhaps the “new” friend turns out to be an “old” friend, under a pseudo screen name which is only discovered by MH when they meet “in person” at which time it is too late for her to re-enter the arena. . . .now she is mad and embarrassed (i can’t believe I fell for that) so tells friends she will find alternate ride home. . . he would know all the buttons to push and right things to say to get her to fall for that. . . .and if she is as trusting and naive as the parents proclaim, voila perfect scenario for BG. . .
I have considered this scenario as well.. Possible, imo.
B
#1577
Put up missing posters in gun shops and sporting goods stores. Hunters need to buy ammo and other supplies.
oops “Southwest”
Morgan as we know loved music. She liked a vast array of different music and bands. The Hook reported she had many posters in her room, some of them being that of Led Zeppelin.
Going under the theory that the person who took Morgan was someone who loved her( an x) or thought he was (an obsession), wouldn’t he want to lay her to rest where it would matter? Especially if he did in fact plan this in advance.
Also, if this was planned, maybe his whole “act” centered around Morgan and her music. John Paul Jones center shares the name of the bassist from Led Zeppelin, the battery missing could be a nod to the Metallica song or to the tribute band.
Acho, #1596 you wrote that you keep thinking about the Misty Mountain Camp ground. This jumped out at me because one of Zeppelin’s songs is Misty Mountain Hop if the person once cared for Morgan I could see him paying tribute to her by placing her there.
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/led+zeppelin/misty+mountain+hop_20082040.html
Walkin’ in the park just the other day, baby,
What do ya, what do ya think I saw?
Crowds of people sittin’ on the grass with flowers in their hair said,
“Hey, Boy, do you wanna score?”
And you know how it is.
I really don’t know what time it was, woh, oh,oh
So I asked them if I could stay awhile.
I didn’t notice but it had got very dark and I was really
Really out of my mind.
Just then a policeman stepped up to me and asked us, said, “Please,hey,
Would we care to all get in line, Get in line.”
Well, you know, they asked us to stay for tea and have some fun; Oh, oh,oh.
He said that his friends would all drop by, ooh.
Why don’t you take a good look at yourself and describe what you see,
And baby, baby, baby, do you like it?
There you sit, sitting spare like a book on a shelf rustin’,
Ah, not trying to fight it.
You really don’t care if they’re comin’; oh, oh,
I know that it’s all a state of mind.
If you go down in the streets today, baby, you better,
You better open your eyes.
Folk down there really don’t care, really don’t care, don’t care , really don’t , which, which way the pressure lies,
So I’ve decided what I’m gonna do now.
So I’m packing my bags for the Misty Mountains
Where the spirits go now,
Over the hills where the spirits fly.
I really don’t know.
Observer: I read, and re read your post. ( With glasses….I’m coming prepared these days!) Thank you for weighing in as usual. Now, I’m going to go have a glass of wine right now, and re read again later. (will process this info)
Observer:
MH is very excited about this first meeting with F, as she tries on several outfits for her mom. She wears a Pantera—not Metallica—shirt to the (Metallica) concert. She wears her Swarovski crystal necklace, a very special gift given to her by her brother. This is an especially important evening in MH’s life.
Asumming this is a true scenario: This does explain the insistance on wearing the Pantera shirt, even though her mother selected another outfit. She probably told F this would be how he would recognize her.
I find this even more credible and fitting into the story as well.
b. MH has experienced personal difficulties in the recent past as evidenced in two separate instances in her own writing. While these concerns are decidedly not psychiatric in nature, MH is a somewhat fragile individual, increasing her emotional vulnerability.
My vote would be for 2.
2. F shows up but turns out not to be what MH had anticipated. [MH does not know it yet, but F is a BG.] MH reconsiders spending time that evening w/ F and instead attempts to re-enter JPJ. After being denied re-entry, MH wanders around and either (1) above occurs; i.e., she encounters a BG; or (2) F/BG attempts to gain MH’s trust and is successful in getting MH into his vehicle. End-game.
From Observer, #1598: “MH makes small talk with other concert-goers in the parking lot prior to the concert, saying (“Who cares,”)We’re here to see Metallica, right?”; subtle but intentional diversion.”
Observer has captured in those last four words what I was trying to say in questioning MH’s quoted remark to the strangers–and I do think the same frame of mind was in gear when she showed her possible concert outfits to Gil = excitement about something else entirely. I know not everyone agrees but IMO there was a subtext to both episodes that had to do with a rendezvous with a romantic interest who turned out to be a BG. The friends might have known or suspected, but had no clue that he could be this bad.
I have kept up with every post, every day, but have not posted this and don’t know if it really makes a difference or helps at all.
There has been a lot of talk about WHY Morgan would leave JPJ, knowing she could not re-enter. I think that HE told her he either had an extra ticket that SHE could use to get back in JPJ if she wanted, OR that HE would give her HIS ticket so she could get back in and he would “just not go to the concert”. Could that be why she exited JPJ- b/c she thought she could easily re-enter??
Observer, just read your latest post — thanks for the kind words, and of course, you know I return the thought to you, as well —
Your theory jumps out at me for one of the nagging questions I’ve always had — why did she wear a “Pantera” t-shirt to a “Metallica” concert —
If she met someone online, and was anticipating meeting him at the concert, for the first time “I’ll be the girl in the ‘Pantera’ t-shirt”
then the rest of your scenario falls into perfect order …
Picking out the outfit is of extreme importance. I remember my first date with who turned out to be my college sweetheart — the whole dorm was involved. The girl a couple of doors down did my hair — I tried on all of my clothes — and even a year later, I still fretted over what I was gonna wear — so you are absolutely spot on.
This person didn’t have to attend the concert in order to connect w/ Morgan — no paper trail for the ticket purchase —
They are local to C-ville.
And explains the nagging question of why she left the venue to begin with.
And irrespective of whether or not the Harringtons had her p/w — I did the same thing w/ my kid when I discovered his “My space” account when he was 15. He had posted pictures of himself holding an air soft rifle and dressed in an Army fatique jacket — he posted his name and where he went to school and his nickname. Suffice it to say, I freaked out — big time. Years later, he told me he had opened lots of other online email accounts and had a “secret” myspace page. I don’t know about FB. I have a friend who monitors her child’s “tweets” and myspace, but she also has several other pages under assumed names, because I’ve seen ‘em.
So Morgan can absolutely be talking to anyone online without detection, and under your scenario, her “reported” behaviors of that day make perfect sense.
I so do hope the Harringtons have hired a reputable PI firm. I’m telling you, look in her notebooks from school
So, Observer, please, tell us what we can do to assist LE in any capacity. As lay people, our hands are probably tied, but please relate to them, that if there is anything we can do, just say the word, and we’ll do all we can.
I’m so glad you’re on this board : )
OK, lets go back to what DH said at one point and that Observer comments seems to back up. This is not a LE suspect or security at the venue person, but a local.
So, my theory is that MH and friends got wasted at someones house in CVille prior to the Metalica show after arriving from JMU. Ask yourself who was there. Friends, x-lovers, hangers on, friends of brother,creeps?
Now, certain members of the party including MH take off and go to the show. MH ends outside the venue either because of impairment or hypomania. Would explain friends behavior. Maybe they have become accoustomed to certain actions by MH and think, that’s just how Morgan acts.
Once outside the venue, MH does attempt to get back inside. DW, bla, bla , bla. I’m sure he/she feels bad and rightly so.
Maybe MH is ready to get somewhere else and away from JPJ and calls…….. the house phone at where ever they where partying earlier (local friends). Wow, its 9:30 on Saturday night and everyone is gone. Except for Johnny Rotten (BG not XBF) who was passed out earlier or just showed up. Sure, I’ll come and pick you up he says. The`rest could be close to our story. IMHO
Sorry, I do not think it is an X or that any date rape drugs had anything to do with this. Just someone on the pheriphery. Even a friend of Bro.
Lately, I’ve been struck often by this thought: that the more evident the sufferings and laments of the Harrington family, and the more the public probes (through blogs like this one and other means) into Morgan’s disappearance, the more those who know WHO took her have to hide and try to cover up that knowledge. I see appeals made to “the one who has Morgan” to do the right thing and restore her, but I wonder if we–meaning citizens like us, on blogs like this one–shouldn’t pitch more broadly to the shame (and guilt?) of the perp(s)’s associates and family; how could they be in a mood to say, “ ‘at’s my boy!” You can be pretty sure SOMEONE who wasn’t in that scene Oct. 17th knows, more than WE do, what went on. Big family holidays are coming. Such a message might resonate.
Blink, I think we actually agree.
Search warrants are issued with expedience when there is probable cause. Of course, if there isn’t, one is denied. I can only assume that in your case, there wasn’t.
No seasoned homicide detective with multiple years in LE is going to be denied a warrant because they know what the judge is going to see as probable cause and what they aren’t.
I believe Skyler said he/she is a judge or a practicing criminal attorney. Perhaps she can expound on this for us.
I also wanted to comment in addition to an earlier post by Suz that fits “cozy” into Observers feedback:
Comment by suz — December 4, 2009 @ 4:52 pm
What pray tell ARE foreign numbers, as it pertains to this case? I’m guessing it’s a phone numbers from an unregistered phone of some kind, as opposed to a regular cell or landline account? Those disposable cells favored by the Sopranos and terrorist.
Isn’t that exactly the point and would make sense?? Observers scenario points to a theory that hypothetically MH meets a new F on line. No one has meet this new found F. They agree to finally meet at the metalica concert. She uses the guise of going to the bathroom to meet F.
My point of tying in Suz comment is this.
F is really a BG. He purchases a tracephone either a) he can’t afford to have a legit phone and phone plan, and or
b) he has premeditated a crime with MH, and already is covering up for a crime he is about to commit with Morgan when their meeting as set up to meet on the 17th. He purposefully purchases a tracefone of somekind so he will NOT be traceable to his person, he knows he will have to either text, or call Morgan to meet up with her, or communicate with her on the 17th. This is probably the phone that Morgan used to call her friends while in his company (non recognizable number to them, thus they perhaps didn’t pick up or answer) ,and him (F-BG) knowing fully well that it would be an untraceable # whether he contacted Morganr via the tracable phone, and or if she used his tracefone to call her friends.
Suz, your correct. Criminals are basically the only people that buy these types of phones. Helps conceal their criminal activity/ or conceal their identity.
In this scenario, and if this is a true scenario, he may be an experienced preditor/abductor, and possibly may have done this before.
Or, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Morgan could have purchased one herself for her own private converastions that sh wanted to keep secret.
suz (re: #1600)
Whoa. Get out of my head!
Sorry to have unintentionally posted a nearly identical post to the clever suz (especially in regard to an off-topic stream), but I had not seen her (just let me know if I’m “Chaz-Bonoing” you, suz) #1600 when I posted. I can only hope that some of you were intrigued to learn the name of that bullying cartoon rooster (who sounded like a more Southern Yosemite Sam); to those of you, I say: You’re welcome.
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A lot of really thought-provoking posts today, everyone – this is one amazing collective of active minds. I’ll be back after I find my thinking cap. (And a corkscrew.)
Observer, Drew Peterson sits in jail because he is charged with the murder of Kathleen Savio, not Stacey Peterson.
“But police and prosecutors were in a solemn mood Thursday night when they announced the 55-year-old former Bolingbrook police sergeant had been indicted by a Will County grand jury in the 2004 bathtub death of his third wife, Kathleen Savio.”
“There were no charges filed, however, in the October 2007 disappearance of Peterson’s fourth wife, Stacy Peterson — the case that triggered the investigation into Savio’s death.
“Eventually, I’m sure there will be charges for Stacy,” said Stacy’s sister Cassandra Cales.”
http://www.post-trib.com/news/1563765,drew-peterson-police-custody-050809.article
Of course, he is considered guilty, but there is again, NO evidence of a crime in the Stacey Peterson case. There may be evidence, of course, that the public doesn’t know about.
I do think Morgan’s case could prove to take a similar shape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Peterson#Stacy_Peterson
Other noteworthy cases of arrests and convictions based almost entirely on circumstantial evidence. In these cases, however, there was obvious evidence of a crime, although initially they were missing person cases.
Scott Peterson and Melanie McGuire.
To questioner 12/7, 6:23pm: Why Midway?
I would just like to say that it is my belief that”on belief” could be a UVA police officer. He has information to my knowledge none of us heard about. He knows the area and jurisdiction of all departments. Who would detest irresponsible college age students more than someone that responds to public intoxication, assault, overdoses, & stolen purses? Who would think that “VSP B ASSHOLES” other than criminals or an officer of another jurisdiction? Who would know to remove battery from a phone to avoid pings? Who would be someone that Morgan may have trusted in a situation? Who could possibly return her purse to the parking lot without being noticed? Asked individually you could numerous answers asked together only one answer fits all. Did security alert police if Morgan got kicked out of JPJ? Did anyone alert campus police of someone hh? Weren’t there some altered reports on that night? How many UVA officers were patroling the area that night? Do the officers drive their police cars home? Maybe someone “off duty”?
I just looked at a map, and it’s not McCormick that I mentioned in post #1603, it’s Lewis Mountain that is up behind the Kluge Children’s Hospital and University Heights Apartments. It’s actually is just above the UVa police department, which is on Ivy Road at the Bypass.
sorry about the second post — but — I called a friend who has credentials and discussed this case and here is their take on this — again, another theory — but this one holds water, too –
Again, no disrespect to Morgan or an attempt to cast dispersion.
*If* Morgan was using drugs and if the Harringtons have hired a PI firm — they need to look into her drug use going back into the early part of the year and spring — she kept this part of her life very secretive from not just her parents and brother, but her “social” circle of friends, as well — although there are “other” associates who are aware of this male’s identity.
LE needs to look into who she knew in the C-ville area — perhaps a person w/ an olive-skinned, dark complexion — not Hispanic — who may have been supplying her w/ drugs. Again, follow the money trail — was Morgan spending money w/ nothing to show for it ?
This male was in contact w/ Morgan prior to the concert, and she was planning on meeting him that night — but — when he showed up, he was w/ another female — the female is someone he is in a current relationship w/ — this infuriated Morgan – the possible plan of the male and female was to get her high enough and have a three-some (I’m so sorry; I don’t mean to be offensive), and of course Morgan objected, but they had her by then and it was too late. She was kept alive for a short period of time, but it was actually the female who killed Morgan (again, I’m sorry) — this couple live in an old “farmhouse” on the outskirts of C-ville, but closeby — and “they” dumped her body near Waynesboro —
The male is close to Morgan’s age —
And they will get away w/ this because LE’s attention is on this one POI — but — they are the ones who removed the battery so they couldn’t be traced —
someone at Tech knows who this person is. Again, he is associated w/ drugs. If the Harringtons have a PI, please, please, ask them to investigate this scenario, even if it sounds so far fetched.
I wish I could give a name and a reason to why I believe this may be an accurate scenario, but I can’t.
Observer, please, if you have any connections to anyone on a vice/drug squad in C-ville, ask them who is on their radar — early 20′s, olive skin, not Hispanic — in current steady relationship w/ a female — probably NOT a UVA student, but supplies drugs to UVA students —
I know this sounds “far out there” but please know I wouldn’t post it if I didn’t think it has merit.
Blink, this is not a former BF, but a male acquaintance that Morgan thought could lead to a possible future relationship — again, look at her notebooks, especially her study notes/calendars in close proximity to 10-17 — girls doodle — names and *initials* —
poor Morgan : (
RE: Suz 1600
Even earlier, 1945, “Good Day” ABC Radio personality Paul Harvey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Harvey
Used to listen to him as a kid.
Questioner #1601 – What makes you think of Midway in addition to Afton? Midway, if it’s the small unincorporated community in Albemarle County, looks to be on Miller School Rd, County Rd 635. That is a wooded area, and, last time I was out that way, not a lot of homes (but the area is growing fast). Any particular reason this area stood out over other similar locations in that part of the county?
P.S. I think this is my 100,000th visit, no joke
Ok I have to admit I don’t know what BG stands for. Help me out somebody???
Observer (re: #1598)
As usual, your insightful marathons leave me feeling mentally recharged in regard to this case… and, for better or worse, with a deeper sense of the seemingly never-ending abyss in which we craft our theories and scenarios. Every time I think of something in a new way, or B/commenters shine light on another possibility (which is usually the case), I “connect the dots” in my own mind and – for a brief, breathless moment think, “This could be IT!” Then, inevitably and usually within a day’s time, a detail I was unaware of or a flaw in logic is pointed out, and my shiny-new silver bullet instantly disappears. Like that. *snap*
To wit, a brief line in your recent submission:
“I am in no way ruling-out that this was a stranger abduction, however seemingly implausible or difficult to imagine.”
A significant slant of my current perspective had ruled that out. Allowing it to re-enter my corral of possibilities triggered the searing thought that it *is* difficult for me to imagine – and not because it’s implausible. The very idea that a beautiful, vibrant young woman out with her best girlfriends could vanish into the cold, misty night – an evening she and her companions had looked forward to for half the year – and at the mercy of chance and unexpected circumstance is difficult/frightening to absorb. But you reminded me that I shouldn’t let my personal fears diminish the three things I can offer as an individual who does not know the victim or anyone remotely involved or close to the case: unbiased perspective, unclouded analysis, and an open mind.
(Benefits many of you bring to this case and, apparently, those investigating it, every single day)
Big thanks to, you, my Internet colleagues, who never fail to bring fresh dishes to the intellectual potluck we got going on here. Oh – and thanks for hosting and keeping our glasses, full, B.
Back to the case.
Observer, you also noted, in response to Chad:
“There are many instances where a suspect has been identified, arrested, and charged without a body in evidence. The first that comes to mind is Stacy Peterson.”
True. But, in that instance there *was* a body – that of his ex-wife, which was exhumed, re-examined, and subject to a change in the cause of death from accident to homicide – intensified the laser focus on Drew Peterson and bolstered the case for his charge of murder.
B – (in re: the ubiquitous DS)
“Personally, I think comparing the 2 ladies activities and timelines for the evening would go a long way in debunking or putting other sightings in play.”
B
LOG ended their set before 9 pm. I’m not at all certain DS was inside the venue and have not reviewed any video. But. Some people posting here believe she was captured via video while watching them play, which may put her inside and leaves open the option that it was indeed MH whom the JPJ-entering witness saw crossing Massie with the 4 young men. It’d be a remarkable coincidence if the look-alike ladies were, at some point, with similar gaggles of young men, for sure… but still.
That said, even if the laughing blonde (walking away from the no-readmittance arena after 9 pm despite Metallica slated to start then and just running late) was DS and not MH, wouldn’t she and her crew have passed by/seen MH, and weren’t some of the people with DS mutual friends with SS (and potentially MH’s) Friends? Odd there was no interaction despite the two parties being in the same vicinity at the same time. (and yes, I know – it was a huge lot on a dark night. Just getting back to speculating.) It would change the dynamics of her actions post-concert, and increase the pool of potential witnesses… However, LE supposedly interviewed this particular witness more than five times, so this is a strong possibility that, at some point, this scenario was considered.
Chad (re: #1576)
That is downright eerie. I’ve never heard of the Taylor Behl case. It may be a tragic coincidence or illustrative of a terrifying statistic… either way, thanks for making that interesting connection.
J2K-
Dee S is visible in video I believe to show both Morgan and she at the same time during LOG performance in 2nd last set song, iirc.
B
Ok I have a theory.
MH has a boyfriend. Parents are not happy with her choice but since they are free thinkers and open minded they go along with her choice. Of course this person is bringing Morgan down but they talk til they are blue in the face but she loves him. Then she finds out the girlfriend back home in pregnant. She comes unglued. They break up. That would be back about the 6 months ago the Harringtons talk about. Then she is around more and things get better on the home front but she can’t forget the man. Then dad buys tickets to the concert and she knows she might see him because he is close. She makes arrangements to meet up with him before, during or after the concert. They meet, they argue, she is gone.
How am I doing Blink?
Cant be ruled out that I am aware of-
B
3rd time poster, avid reader and thinker. I usually get close to posting, only to ruminate on it and decide not to, only to find out later that mostly everyone touches on and then runs with at least most of my thoughts! So, in that sense, I am content to read and silently agree and high five all of you. I have to say this site is brilliant.
Well, here i am, thinking, and i don’t want to be ‘captain obvious’, but the more thoughts of the elusive incident 6 months ago nags me. everyone’s thoughts on an exbf, possibly abusive, probably aggressive, maybe threatening, maybe stalker-ish have triggered a non-stop thought in my head (here’s where i am probably being cpt obvious) but:
isn’t most violence against women usually by someone she knows, exbf or current boyfriend?
I am also a victim’s advocate for women in abusive relationships, as well as teens. You’d really be surprised the # of young women who do not recognize abusive/aggressive/stalking behavior in guys ( i say guys b/c the majority of victims are women, although there are some guys). Teens/young adults tend to use “technology” abuse rather than physical violence, although it’s not limited to that. They use isolation techniques by discouraging time with friends/family to have her all to himself, threatening to ruin reputations in school and in your social networking by spreading rumors, (so you have to transfer high schools???), non-stop texting/”sexting”, etc. And don’t underestimate stalking – it’s very scary how easy it is to track someone down.
It’s all about control, it’s calculated, and it’s a CHOICE. Abusers are usually *very* charming and can be well-liked, esteemed in the community, close to their own family. As a side note, you wouldn’t even begin to be able to imagine how many LE’s are abusers and how “tight-knit” that family is in protecting one another. There is even a project dedicated to women with abusive husbands in LE.
Many girls are so entrenched with this guy that it takes a big wake-up call to even question: “is this relationship healthy? i’m starting to get a little stifled, weirded out, etc.” When girls need space, that’s when the abuser’s lose their cool. The most dangerous time in an abusive relationship is when the girl tries to leave. They will do anything to get her back, but may act like it’s nothing to them, all the while plotting strategically how to punish her for leaving. That is literally some abuser’s mindset.
There must be someone LE is looking for, I’m SURE they have to know to look for exbf’s or even brief flings. I do hope they are searching all online networking sites, journals, photos, etc. I do not want to underestimate the Va Police.
I hope that you find this relevant. Hope I’m not too rambling. So many thoughts, but so tired I am of staring at a computer, but how much I think and send good vibes to the eventual closure for MH and family.
Very relevant, thank you for sharing it.
B
i do not want to make light of the situation but, as dwight schrute would say: “it’s not the person you suspect the most, it’s not the person you suspect the least; it’s the person you suspect the medium”.
please delete if inappropriate! no disrespect intended, only some light comic relief.
Okay B-
Now most know that IMPO Mogan met up with an unknown assailant.
But in the event that she was indeed meeting with an exb and the girl with the 4 guys was in fact Morgan and not Dee. I do have a theory of why she was outside of the arena.
SS’s statement: “we wouldn’t have done it”
What if Morgan’s ex and his friends came to meet Morgan but did not have tickets. Morgan and her friends planned to put their ticket stubs together and Morgan headed outside to meet them. Not knowing that the ticket stubs would not allow them re-admittance. Morgan would have gone alone because they would have needed every stub.
Just a thought.
….it would seem that based on Observer’s comments that much computer/IT investigation has probably been done…and what has been learned (hopefully)from that is the identity of at least one possible POI….Observer, can you acknowledge whether or not the POI has any connection to UVA (not C’ville, UVA specifically)? If we think back about MH noted in her conversation to her friends that she would perhaps meet up with them later (maybe with the new F) or find another ride home (if after meeting him she and F may decide not to stick around), Observer’s comments make a lot of sense…and it would seem that she had not met friend yet prior to that conversation, so didnt know what the end of the concert would bring at that point. In saying that she might “find a ride home” it also implies, to me, that this F was not from the C’ville area, and she anticipated he could conceivably get her “back home.” I am not saying the BG was F, and actually I have had a strong feeling, more than once, that MH ended up with a BG while intending to meet someone else…being in a state that was under the influence of something, she would then be vulnerable to ….a BG….who if not the F, and a stranger to her (therefore law enforcemnt may know very little about him), makes solving this case even more of a conundrum …(sigh)…I also believe the purse was planted later …I dont know how someone could easily miss it on sat night in the parking lot, tho possible…. was in good shape and did not look like it had been “stepped on”, etc.?
OK…time for bed…all of you are great…thanks for reading my ramblings…g’night all.
….uh oh i made a bad assumption in my last post…maybe F actually is from c’ville (or UVA) and would not have minded driving MH back…here’s what i dont get:if she was so looking forward to the concert (months prior had tickets)why would she miss the entire thing to meet someone during the concert (and did she initially think she could meet him and go back in?)…maybe she chose to meet him at that concert because he did live in c’ville….ok NO MORE tonight!
If anyone has ever seen the HBO series The Wire, you will know all about these near-disposable phones called “burners.” They are the phones so many are speculating could have been in use the night of Morgan’s disappearance, and yes they are virtually untraceable. However, I noticed they are being perceived as being phones primarily used by criminals and that is just not true. Even most nickel and dime dealers use their personal cell phones to make calls, although I am sure these types of phones are favored higher up the food chain. The truth is that these phones are popular and widely used not by criminals but by the poor. There may be a correlation between poverty and violent crime but I think it is erroneous to assume it extends to these phones. They are cheap, require no credit checks and don’t lock you into a contract. Appealing to criminals, yes sometimes, but even more to the impoverished who make up a larger population than the clinker-bound.
Also I am not on board with the new scenario. WADR, we have some great thinkers here but it just doesn’t sit well with me. More than a month after the fact? No. I don’t think Morgan was a master of encryption, and the police have surely checked her PC. If there was something hidden or odd with her communications probably could have been found by the Geek Squad at Best Buy. She was a 20 year old girl, whose parents had her passwords. You might say, she could have this…or that…or used the computer at the library…but it just gets further away from a realistic scenario, imo.
Last, I wanted to touch on the Pantera t-shirt back-and-forth. I live in the Seattle/Tacoma area and am a huge fan of live music. There is a lot to be had up here and I am grateful. I don’t think her wearing the Pantera t-shirt to the concert is indicative of any sort of “I will have on a red carnation…” type of thing. Because really, wearing a band’s t-shirt to their concert is, well, cheesy. It appears from what I have observed that you buy the t-shirt at the concert to support the band but wear a another band’s t-shirt to the concert, especially if it is another similar type of band. This way you get to advertise your good taste twice: by being at the concert and by indicating with your shirt you have been to other good shows. Not that I follow any of this–I only sleep in my oversized Beck t-shirt but I am letting you know what I see going on in the music scene. It is a pretty common and hip thing, what she did regarding her choice of clothing.
J2K I am crushed. I’m afraid my husband broke the bad news to me before you did. Ah, well, it felt good while it lasted. Good day.
wow, amazingly robust theories based on such scant information. Imagine what we could do if they threw us a bit more…!
re: the pantera shirt, the theory above could be right (to be ID’d by an FB ‘friend’ being met for the first time, ala “i’ll be wearing a pink carnation”—tho digital pics would likely have already have been exchanged negating the need for that—-so mebbe pantera was a fave of the fella she was meeting and THAT was the driver) BUT the really simple explanation for the shirt is that it’s just not cool to wear a shirt of the band you are seeing—-you gotta wear a shirt that the band you are seeing (or your fellow concertgoers) would find cool. You can’t wear a metallica shirt to a metallica concert—you gotta up the ante.
heaven help me, there’s even a e-How article about this, lol (of course back in the day, we just ‘knew’ this concert etiquette) http://www.ehow.com/how_4523240_choose-what-band-tshirt-wear.html
http://www.eachnotesecure.com/the-concert-t-shirt-etiquette-guide/
even found a discussion about it on a metallica bulletin board http://www.metallicabb.com/lofiversion/index.php/t115026.html
On belief may have inside info, but in the case of the Sunday morning phone call from LE, he just watched the news.
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/parents_and_pastor_speak_out_as_search_continues_for_missing_vt_student/55634/
your right, I had not seen that before. I have a feeling it was right after that someone tried to lay low on that, as Lt. Rader’s pressconf on the 21st does not address that specifically.
Moreover, the Pastos says it was “odd” that her battery was removed. She had to get that from somewhere and it does contradict both Rader and Dr. Harrington’s comments about it.
B
mandy, that is hysterical, we were posting synchronistic band tshirt things at the same time, right down to the carnation. i too meant to post that pay as you go phones were used mainly (and innocently) by those in a lower socio economic group or those who have little or no credit—as well as bad guys of course.
Morning everyone. I’m sitting here been watching the news, reading the local papers. I’m excited about our new football coach so I want to read what’s being said. Ice storm coming. Nothing about Morgan, as usual. There has been nothing about Morgan for so long now that I fear she is being forgotten, save for this website and a few others. I even check the Roanoke paper and local TV station daily…nothing. Nothing new. We had friends up here from Tech for the UVa/Tech game, and I think she’s talked about even less down there.
If BG was possibly an unknown person to Morgan and a threat to other young women, yes, we need to know. If BG is affiliated with UVa PD then we’d sure like to know that, too. I can only speculate that this silence is due to the fact that it’s someone LE knows, someone very close to them, who knows how to cover his tracks. I hope they can give us some answers soon.