Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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REGARDING: “Comment by wpgmouse — December 7, 2009 @ 7:25 pm
Observer,IF, and I stress IF, Morgan was the victim of someone she met on line (I suggest a stalker who saw her online-photo – - not an innocent “blind date” arrangement), or of a stranger abduction, then IMO, LE has an Obligation, with a capital O, to make the community aware. If this is not an individual unique to Morgan in some personal respect, then how does LE justify the community believing this is an isolated event.
I agree.
B”
As a person who lives in another state far away but has friends who have children who attend colleges in VA or who have vacation homes in VA, I think the public has a right to know more information, absolutely. Why make everyone think this is an isolated incident involving a “friend”? I’ll tell you why…..money. If the public finds out there is a stalker/killer on the loose, would you as a parent want to send your child to a VA college? And would I plan a vacation hiking in VA? No way. Virginia’s reputation is at stake here. If the public wants some answers, then they need to make noise above local law enforcement. I know you all would like peace for the holidays and in the new year.
Amazing thinkers on this site, way out of my league.
LOL! That is too weird!
i´m from germany.sorry for my english,don`t want to insult anybodyand the following is always a `maybe`
i think nearly everybody is to much focussung on the events of the 17th oct.i think the key lays in her family,her home and the events 6 month ago.i strongly would like to know:
why did m.changed school ?
why did her parents demand her password b/c for the kind of parents the h.sem to be,that`s quite harsh so there must be an important reason.
and what could that be? `forbidden` sides(?)or/and contact with people
they were not fond of.
what was the reason for having that password
why exactly was her bank account out of balance ?
this could tell a lot about the character and behavior of m.1`m quite sure there is a darker side of m.
ref observer
your scenario with unkwon boyfriend looks sure possible.but when m. looked so excited to meet him (pantera shirt/necklace)and impress,then what the hell she got so drunk obviously and behaved in that wa,kicking ?
if i were that bf i wouldn`t expect to see a drunk girl cursing around
for me it looks like m.was quite unstable.
one word about the friends,friend not so-called friends.1 have a problem how they are jugded by some people.it`s quite easy AFTER knowing what had happened afterwards,but until m.left to go to the toilet nothing had happened on the 17th.
so what !
maybe it was: oh,m. is outside,really not the first time she went her own way and now everybody is expecting me/we leaving a concert we also have been looking forward for 6 month,knowing me/we could also not get in again it`s m.fault and she says she gets a ride home,so erverything is o.k.
sure IF the had known what happend later they too wouldn`t have her let go.
Re: 1647
I wonder if the SIM card is missing too? More to the point, I wonder if the battery was shoved in perps pocket, or dropped, etc. while trying to get the SIM card out of her phone. Maybe because he didn’t want anyone to know she had his number in her contact list? Maybe she had him stored as “loser” or “stalker” or something like that?
No SIM in this phone
B
Just another theory to toss out there – what if BG actually knews Morgan’s brother, attends UVA with him, has a major crush on Morgan, find out that she is going to the Metallica concert, Morgan rejects him……
RE: Comment by Chad — December 7, 2009 @ 9:06 pm Regarding those who use prepaid phones. I completely agree with Mandy and suz; lower socio economic groups, not-quite-adult but-feel-i-am-one-so-I’m-gonna-get-my-own-phone type, and older people who don’t like the hassle of having a contract phone but want one ICE and while traveling.
Questioner, pls. respond as to why you say Midway, and exactly what you mean. Several of us are curious. Do you literally mean Midway, the farm? (On 250W in Greenwood, former summer home of the Gibson Girls.) Tne environs really aren’t called “Midway.” The community is Greenwood. So I just wonder how you got that name. Thanks.
Excellent post Moon #639. I know about Drew Peterson a sargeant on the Bollingbrook Police Department in Illinois and his missing wife Stacy. No body but lots of ideas that Drew did in fact do away with her. If you read that case then you too know that I do believe the LE protected their own in that case. His forth wife Kathleen Savio was found dead in the bathtub of their home. Her family cried foul but nothing was done. When Stacy went missing Bolingbook LE once again protected their own. Drew taunted the reporters and public until there was such a public outcry that they had to do something.
Also Drew had a next door neighbor, Mrs. B who was like a dog with a bone..she would not let Drew go. She posted signs and called radio stations and did everything in her power to get him. He went to jail and from jail called radio stations still taunting. That finally came to a close. My theory is that if Drew would have kept his mouth shut they would still be protecting him and he would be a free man. Once again getting away with murder. I also believe that only when the public went ballistic did they ever do anything to Drew.
Thank you for being a victims advocate. We sure needed one..no more said on that.
I do believe this was somebody that Morgan knew. And speaking of the Drew Peterson case in Morgans case her friends father is LE. Could that be a reason for all the silence and once again protecting their own at the expense of Morgan? Interesting theory there. We have all wondered why there has been no press conferences or no further information. I think they do Morgan and her family a great injustice by not setting the record straight. At least a picture showing her shirt and hair because there are great sluethers that might say..hey thats the girl I saw that night. The more time goes by the least we might learn about Morgan. What a shame.
Is the cover up to protect the reputations of the girls and Morgan? Is the cover up to protect UVA, the basketball players or maybe even the JPJ Arena venue. All big money.
Does anyone think it could be possible that Morgan is alive?
acho, Questioner must be busy but this is on findmorgan.com.
#38 Yesterday, 06:59 PM
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Can you tell me why you think this is an area that should be searched?
dan harrington
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Because it’s not far from Waynesboro, and in the direction of a possible ex-boyfriend
Has anyone checked into the info Yoshi posted in #1531? I don’t really have the computer know-how, but he’s done some research and a lot of what he’s saying makes sense.
Criminal Justice Major trained and certified in 2 forms of Taser, worked as a corrections Officer but is not a cop. Knowledge of k9 use.
Issues Much ?:
Apparently Charlottesville is full of individuals (most likely little rich UVA kids who think they can do what ever they want and not get punished. Sorry kids your daddies money wont let you get away with stuff here. You want to discuss tazers so much run from a cop and experience it first hand for yourself. And when the judge convicts you try to burst out crying in the court room. We all love that…
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Someone than asks him if he has ever been a cop or security guard and he makes himself scarce.
B
Here’s a link to the Virginia Deer Hunters Association. Maybe they can help us get the word out to hunters…..http://www.virginiadeerhunters.org/
alex#1658,being held against her will?or escaping to a new life?i doubt either one but with lack of pertinent info ie:exact wording from bbplayers ,friends,jpj door personnel,and having not dug into her personal life,as observer said she couldve been deleting contacts as per her parents monitoring ,anything is possible, but to hurt her parents and brother , and public,and le, i truly doubt she devised her disappearence and i would think if kidnapped she would’ve fought for freedom at any cost by now.survial instints are infinite though, so if being held againgst her will she might adapt for survival reasons.i often remember the baby in that got swept into a ravine during a flood and found days(?)later in only diapers hanging onto a twig attatched to a bush.
It would make a HUGE difference (as far as the POI/BG could/could not be other than the fact POI/BG was most likely from the area) if Morgan left the venue because she was escorted out by security (as suggested by at least one witness) VERSUS Morgan left on her own volition due to her own agenda.
So which is it? If she was escorted out the security guards would certainly know the answer to that and so would her friends.
If Morgan was no stranger to concerts and knew the rules and on top of that if security warned people leaving the venue that they would not be allowed to re enter and signs posted everywhere BUT Morgan purposely left anyway on her own power then she obviously had other plans.
If she was escorted out by security for whatever reason do you really think this would be made public? I don’t think so.
I have to say it is a possibility, or there is a concern on the part of RMC Events that happened due to the “no comment” status they gave.
B
MY BIG QUESTION – Why isn’t LE getting the word out to hunters to be on the look out? I just do not understand, at all, the actions of LE in this case.
alex,
Possible, absolutely. Likely, not at all. Sorry, but I think her family would be best equipped to answer that question, as I do believe in the intangible power of a loving familial connection.
ALEX # 1660 – I have been wanting to ask that same question to Blink and Observer. I keep hoping that someone does in fact have her, some obsessed and sick individual, but LE’s actions are almost of that they know she is not.
J
I have answered it several times. I do not believe Morgan is alive, nor do I believe she was much past a few hours after she disappeared.
B
I live in Richmond, VA (grew up in C’ville, that is the reason for my screen name) and they mentioned Morgan on our local news this morning. Nothing new, really, just mentioned that in several local Christmas parades in the state there will be floats with her picture and people will be handing out flyers. They had her picture on the screen for a pretty good amount of time, by news program standards. I hope that will give everyone some hope; both the local news media and individuals are doing what they can to keep her story out there, even without new developments. It looked to me like the station (NBC12) was looking for some excuse to mention her and put up her picture, as the content of the report was really non-news.
To add to my above post, LE is acting like there is no sense of urgency at all
B – (re: #1637/video showing DS inside arena for LOG)
So it is quite possible the witness entering the show indeed saw MH and not DS? I have to say, the way the HooK-crafted “unverified accounts” article and subsequent speculating was conveyed, I initially wrote off what appeared to be inaccurate recall. But the more I’ve thought about it lately, the more I have a hard time believing the witness did not see MH, whom she identified as the blonde, joking woman with 4 companions walked in fron of her car.
Think about it: it’s dark out, but the witness’s headlights are on, and the group of five walked directly in front of her car – and supposedly the walked close enough that MH shook her leg in a joking manner as if hit. I’ve read MH has longer blonde hair than DS, and I’m sure the witness was shown pictures (maybe even of DS, to rule her out of the account), and in the glare of head- and street-lights, a pretty face marked with heavy eye makeup and a large, sparkling necklace (no doubt striking) would be fairly memorable. Plus, the witness specifically noted she was wearing tights, which MH was wearing that night as opposed to bare-legged DS (which would be notable on its own on such a chilly night) – all, as I repeatedly state here – undercored by the numerous times the witness reiterated her account to the police. After the second or third interview, with all of the unique details regarding whom she saw described by the witness to LE, they would know whether she had seen MH. And they called this witness back in several times after that, according to her comment in the news.
I think I may be the only one fixated on this sitch (which may be a signal I should move on), but the the alleged group headed together to the RV lot and was seen around a car, again perfectly fitting the timeline – perhaps even *establishing* the timeline. We know that 20 minutes after supposedly being seen with this group, she approached the BB players, so it’s certainly possible, if the account is true, that MH left this group of young men in the RV lot and there was no further connection.
Possible, sure… but what are the odds? (rhetorical Q, natch)
Do you remember Rader’s comments about her walking with people but not “with” them, or something to that effect?
B
To acho -
Questioner, pls. respond as to why you say Midway, and exactly what you mean. Several of us are curious. Do you literally mean Midway, the farm? (On 250W in Greenwood, former summer home of the Gibson Girls.) Tne environs really aren’t called “Midway.” The community is Greenwood. So I just wonder how you got that name. Thanks.
I’m not sure what’s there in Midway, I’ve been using Google Earth for some type of trajectory to go here or some type of positioning of a area that needs to be searched, and IF this old bf of Morgan does indeed live in Waynesboro, then considering that she disappeared from Charlottesville, and Waynesboro is west of that location, there somewhere between those two places need to be searched. It is listed on my google earth map as Midway.
Another person on the find morgan forum, says that it may be closer to the Afton area, so, somewhere in between those points need to be searched. Sorry I don’t know about the Gibson Girls?
I had wanted to know if it was ok to put the actual map up here and asked Blink if it was ok to do, and she never responded so I just put the locations out there. Everything is only IMHO
I did respond Questioner- my apollies, it is fine. I will decide about posting publicly depending on what you have, k?
B
Alex (#1660) – I wish it were possible, but the more time has passed, the less likely it is. There are rare cases, like Eliz Smart & Jaycee Dugard and the woman in Germany, but really, they are the exception.
A lot of speculation about what Gil meant when she asked M “are you a skeleton, too?”, but I think that was Gil acknowledging that M was most likely dead. Gil, a small woman to begin with, was losing so much weight as to be nearly skeletal herself.
I am so sad to think that Morgan’s body may not be recovered for months or years even. I shudder to think that the person responsible might not be brought to justice.
People on this site have explored so many possibilities – still alive/voluntary, still alive/involuntary, accident/death, known abductor/murderer, unknown a/m, semi-known a/m – and there is so little to go on to narrow them down aside from intuition & experience. I just hope that there are leads that LE has that they aren’t sharing, that they are slowly, surely building a case. Or that someone cracks.
I mentioned way earlier on this site that I am reminded of the show “Without a Trace” – how the person is shown in the last known location and they slowly fade away until *poof* they’re gone. That’s Morgan.
The song I keep hearing in my head is the refrain from “The 59 Sound” by The Gaslight Anthem:
Young boys, young girls,
Young boys, young girls,
Young boys, young girls,
Young boys, young girls,
Ain’t supposed to die on a Saturday night,
Ain’t supposed to die on a Saturday night,
Ain’t supposed to die on a Saturday night,
Ain’t supposed to die on a Saturday night,
Gil’s latest update on the findmorgan.com page just about yanks the heck out of the heart strings….
alex, yes. I think she could be alive. Like Schrödinger’s cat in the famous quantum physics experiment, to me she is both alive and dead until she is proven to be one or the other. But I am pulling for live, just in case wishing helps make it so. (yes, yes, I know Schrödinger’s experiment doesn’t work with a person—I was really just saying that I am holding two conflicting thoughts in my head.)
re mandy 1644: I agree 100% about both the prepaid phones and the concert shirts. As many stores, from the corner 7-11 to the chain drug stores such as CVS to the big box WalMarts, that sell them, there can not be that many criminals. I personally use one thru Net10 because it’s .10 a minute. WalMart now even offers an unlimited plan for $45 a month – no contract “disposable” phone service. Regardless of one’s economic status, that’s a hell of a deal.
B, SuzeeB (re: #1560)
I still believe she was escorted out – never thought otherwise, fwiw. It’s been fairly well-established that MH was intoxicated, and whether she tried to get someone to buy her a beer, face-planted inside the venue, was crying in the bathroom and in the smoking area, or none/all of these incidents, JPJ has a clear policy on being visibly impaired – they will escort you out if they notice. She sounded pretty noticeable if various witness acccounts are, in fact, true.
I realize some of you think the concert was a ruse to see a “forbidden” guy, or part of a larger plan to hook up with a new guy/old BF, but while I can’t be certain, there is seemingly no way she walked out of there without being told she couldn’t come back in. On board after board, people familiar with the arena’s events state this practice. So, either she was told by security that if she left she would not be re-admitted and still chose to leave (which I do not believe in the least – makes no sense whatsoever – she was a fan of the main act), or she was escorted out and had no choice in the matter. Unless she was a total poser (which I also do not believe), I can’t fathom that she would exit for the rest of the night prior to the main act, regardless of extenuating circumstances. There are 24 hours in a day, and 48 in a weekend – why purposely miss two-hour sure-to-be-incredible, well-planned event she spent her *entire* day getting to in order to meet a dude?
Not. Buying. It.
Judi, I reckon it could be a friend of her bro’s, but if she was really looking forward to Metallica, we need to explain how she ends up outside before they take the stage. Would she go out for a random friend of her brother’s with a crush on her? I guess texts or emails or any other calls on her phone would give us a clue (but we ain’t gonna’ see ‘em).
I also want to know how she got that scrape on her chin or whatever the injury was. I know LE doesn’t think it’s important for us to know what happened inside the arena, but I sure do. Makes me wonder why they won’t say. What could that help? Are they still vetting witnesses, and thus don’t want to release too many facts? Seems kinda’ far down the road for that, but maybe they are slow. Or thorough, if we want to be nice.
IDK Alex, but I had a nice dream last night that she was. Not a psychic or anything like that, just had a good dream.
#1668 J2K I agree
If I have already missed this somewhere above, please don’t post:
Is it correct that LE has not released where her car was parked? Do we know that? I am assuming not in the RV lot. Regardless of where it was, I guess there was no need for her to go to that lot considering she didn’t have her keys. But…WHY did she head toward the RV lot? How did she end up there? Did she meet that group of men and start walking with them, but not “with them”? Was there a promise of something out there (drugs, alcohol)? Did she contact someone and plan to meet him there? I know I am re-hashing previously discussed items, but to me, knowing this answer could lead toward the WHO.
They have not released where her car was parked to date.
B
Re: cvillenative comment
I am really glad they have given Morgan exposure locally and at a state level. I am at the indication that LE has zeroed in on local or state wide for certain reasons.
I believe that LE does not believe she would be anywhere else in the USA.
I have not seen too much national exposure (except from earlier on-Dr Phil, CNN, FOX..etc)
Does anyone know if the Harrington’s have hit other news stations (TV or radio) in other states?
What about search efforts?
Has search efforts ceased b/c they have a POI?
I meant against her will. Of course against her will
Alex, yes it is possible she could still be alive. Just not probable, Im afraid.
MH was using a Verizon Wireless phone. It is the only company that does not use SIM and works off a CDMA network.
Since it is on a CDMA network, I believe it can be traced without the battery in it, although I am not certain so dont quote me on that. This could be why her bag was then thrown back in the RV lot. If traced – it would ping to that location- where there is NO MH.
It could ping if it were switched off, but the battery removal would disengage that option. Without a Sim, no ping.
B
How does one trace a CDMA network phone then?
Couldnt Verizon give the last known location off the CDMA network before the battery was taken out?
Let me research
Yes, I believe that is the 9:30PM reference we keep hearing about.
B
I’ve been reading through everyones posts the past 2-3 nights. I had not heard about the untraceable numbers found on her phone. Sounds like a dealer(s) way of contacting those who buy from them. My mom actually suggested that. It definitely got me thinking! Considering it was Amy’s 21st, I’m leaning on the idea that Morgan may have volunteered to meet with the dealer(s) to retreive drugs of some sort for the party later that night and then it went badly. But I’m also thinking they could have used this particular untraceable phone/number to simply lure her out of the arena. I believe 100% this was someone she knew.
Blink, how can you be so sure? If it is against her will and she can’t make a call for help. Until they find a body, I think there is a good chance she is alive.JMHO
I did not say I was sure, I stated my opinion. I would love to be wrong.
B
B – (re: #1668)
“Do you remember Rader’s comments about her walking with people but not “with” them, or something to that effect?
B
I do recall the statement that stated MH was walking through the lot, near other people walking in a similar direction.
That said, I also recall the same witness noting she saw the young blonde woman (who she believed to be MH) with the same four guys gathered around a vehicle in the RV Lot after she’d parked.
Plus, if the witness sighting was accurate but the group was simply crossing the street together in heading away from the venue, MH went from being agitated and upset in front of the JPJ around 8:40 pm, to “I’m getting a ride home” and laughing/joking with this dude-quartet at 9:05 pm. That is a pretty small window in which to eliminate all of thsoe coincidences, imo.
Makes me think maybe she felt she was getting away from the agitative stimulant?
B
Warning: Reading Glasses Alert.
RE: wpgmouse, 12/7, 6:42pm: Thanks for the clarification; sorry I misunderstood your earlier question, re: places/facilities. My sense is that the BG did not go anywhere specifically to “clean up”, nor do I believe that he returned to the JPJ vicinity. While BlackPearl’s scenario is definitely viable, I am of the mind that the BG absconded with MH and departed immediately, not returning for any reason. I remain unconvinced that the BG has knowledge of forensics or investigative practices, as I believe he has no connection to either security or LE.
RE: roxie, 12/7, 7:05pm: With all due respect offered to the former LE officer you spoke with: I’ve lived in CV for over 23 yrs. and am not aware that there are an abundance of mine shafts. A few, perhaps; however, Albemarle County is not known for its mining. [In all my time here I have never met a person who ever worked in a mining operation in this area.] There is a large quarry owned and operated by Luck Stone (at two major locations); perhaps that is what the officer was making reference to with his comment. RE: the search of the Comfort Inn: The Comfort Inn on Pantops (250E) was searched not because LE had a belief that this was perhaps a location where MH and her abductor went initially before departing CV; rather, a search in the parking lot of the hotel occurred as a result of a call of a suspicious vehicle and/or occupants.
RE: localcvillegirl, 12/7, 7:14pm: Precisely: “If BG quickly dumped Morgan’s body she may not be on hunting land, but just over the side of a road somewhere.” (No comment on potential trespassing on the back side of Lewis Mt. As they say, it’s all good:)))
RE: wpgmouse, 12/7, 7:25pm: While you raise a very good question, if LE believes that MH’s abductor was someone she “met” on-line (or knew prior to Oct. 17, 2009), then they believe that the assault was not random. That is, MH was specifically targeted by this individual, as opposed to the concept that there is a random BG at large in the CV community. It is believed that the MH abduction was an event isolated to MH; meaning, the BG is not one who targets others; his sole focus was on MH, and MH alone.
To explain it another way: when there was a serial rapist in the CV area, his targets were random. The CV community was appropriately blanketed with information from LE, including an artist’s rendering of the assailant. Community members were made aware of each of the assaults and were cautious because they knew a random BG was out-and-about, actively seeking his next victim. He was not tied in any specific way to any of his victims, and his assaults covered a broad geographic area. He was what we refer to as an “equal opportunity offender”. [No intentional reference to race.]
The MH case is inconsistent with the above profile, resulting in LE’s differing management of this case.
RE: notJMUfan, 12/7, 7:43pm: Excellent insight!
RE: chad, 12/7, 8:14pm: Another excellent insight, re: the Pantera shirt so F/BG might recognize her. Even if F/BG had had MH’s picture and/or seen her on-line (safe to say) prior to Oct. 17, given that: a) there would be an abundance of young, blond women at the concert; and b) many dressed in similar dark clothes, e.g., mini-skirt, boots, etc.; and c) Metallica tee-shirts might already be seen in abundance; and d) it would be dark outside when they “met”; then your scenario makes increasing sense. [Note: One of my earliest posts mentioned a young woman fitting MH’s description—medium/tall, slight, blond, etc.—wearing the exact same clothes as MH, on a bicycle right next to my car as I waited at a light on Ivy Rd. near JPJ one afternoon.]
All of the above said, suz, 12/8, 7:52am makes an equally compelling argument, successfully de-bunking the Pantera tee-shirt theory. [I confess to not having attended a rock concert (emphasis on the word “rock”) in more years than I care to remember and am completely unaware of the current dress protocols—-and am equally unable to recall the protocols from my early rock concert years. Suffice it to say, I saw Janis Joplin in concert.]
RE: NYmom, 12/7, 8:15pm: I believe you captured it well when you said “The friends might have known or suspected, but had no clue he could be this bad.” Ergo, their later comment “We never would have done it…”, referencing several possibilities consistent with your theory.
RE: Skyler, 12/7, 8:50pm: Like you, I’m a major “girly-girl” and can still remember the outfit I was wearing when I first met in 1976 the man who would later become my fiancé. I hadn’t planned the outfit (because I had no idea we’d meet) but clothes are of paramount importance to us, particularly at that age. Let no stone be unturned as we seek to find “just the right outfit” for a special event or occasion.
Correct: No paper trail. BGs are by-and-large not stupid; not infallible, but rarely stupid. Just stupid enough to get caught. Eventually. Word,BG.
RE: Facebook, MySpace, etc.: Do not even start me on that. On-line BGs aBOUND and know preCISEly (caps intentional) how to target victims in that venue; I could travel this country preaching tirelessly on that one.
To Skyler and all: A heartfelt thank you for your sincere desire and willingness to help. Please know again that LE is keenly aware of your desire to assist in any way, shape, or form possible to bring MH home. Their collective hearts break for the Harringtons, and they know the public feels the same. Be assured that if there is now or ever an opportunity to have the public help advance this case from the point it is today, LE will be the very first to jump at that chance. This isn’t about public or personal glory, or making a case. This is about finding MH and returning her to her parents. Everything else pales in comparison to that end.
What can people do right now? What you are doing: Keeping your eyes and your ears open—especially (and this is inTENtionally going out to MH’s friends and acquaintances) for anyone that MH ever mentioned, even in passing, however seemingly insignificant.
Someone knows something. The problem is not that they’re trying to keep it a secret. The problem is that they don’t know that they know something.
[And Skyler, I’m glad you’re on this board, too!]
RE: Kevin, 12/7, 8:50pm: Another excellent hypothetical! [And you’re correct: no X, roofie, etc.]
Imp. question for all to consider: What time did MH arrive in CV on October 17, 2009?
RE: JustDesserts, 12/7, 8:56pm: While you raise a good point, re: attempting to shame, etc. the family/associates of the BG, please know this: when it comes to family, what cannot be underestimated is the ability of the human mind to move in a nanosecond to denial. That is, family (and friends) tell themselves, “Hey, no WAY so-and-so could have done this….I mean, sure…he’s a little whacky sometimes…sometimes he acts a little strange…sometimes I might even think he’s ‘out there’ somewhere…but hey, no…no way…he would never do something like hurt someone…that’s just not him…” Etc. et. al. You get the idea.
So while shame might work in some instances, my sense is that it may well not work in this case. I wish I could say otherwise.
RE: sue, 12/7, 9:16pm: I stand corrected, re: Savio/Peterson. I agree completely: the MH case could indeed prove to take a similar shape.
RE: Skyler, 12/7, 9:41pm: So I am completely clear on this: Is your contact providing information seen in the described scenario because s/he has direct knowledge of this case? [Or is all of this completely hypothetical?] I ask only because the information is quite specific. Regardless, no worries: LE is monitoring this site.
RE: Moon, 12/7, 11:08pm: Everyone should carefully read this post and take every word to heart; she is exactly on-point. [And I can assert that there are indeed abusers in the ranks of LE.]
RE: Lee, 12/7, 1:04am: I am sorry but must repeat: I have no comment on a/the possible/potential POI and/or their connections/affiliations. I wish I could offer otherwise. I will, however, say unequivocally that I do not believe that the purse was intentionally placed in the RV Lot by the BG or MH.
RE: lisa, 12/8, 8:02am: I submit that “on belief” does not have insider information and is not a member of LE. Note: this is not an attempt to deflect from LE; rather, it’s an observation based on his postings.
Disclaimer: I reserve the right to be wrong in any of my “observations” or postings.
Observer- do I understand you to mean that you then think Morgan dropped her own purse where it was found, accidentally?
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(this is sort of a captain obvious question, too, but there you go)
So if it’s someone knowledgeable enough to remove the battery to stop the pinging, are we assuming that person would also be familiar with where the cell towers are? Cuz it’s really the triangulation that helps you pinpoint a location, and as we know from our friend Casey’s pings, you can move a fair amount of distance (several square miles) without changing towers. So does that mean that the perp knew that he was taking Morgan beyond a few miles away?
I am revisiting a couple of posts.First one is the last line of this post appears to be a statement that seems more like a confirmation.
1514 Sue-Dec,6 2009 @11:17
But I do know Morgan had plans to meet someone outside the arena.end
Hi Sue, thank you for your input.Do you have an outside source that you have confidence in?Not asking for names just carefully thinking about if Morgan did indeed make such plans.
Lastly,1529- Yoshi Dec,7,12:35 am Click on Yoshi’s last link provided in the post,the myspace page for PJ. Scroll down profile on left hand side of page.Under Heros he has written about a cabin he would visit with his grandfather.May be family owned.
Just an interesting aside for the posters consideration. TIA,R
Yes, I saw that and told my willies to stay where they were until I called them.
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No one, not one witness (that we know of anyway) has ever mentioned “the necklace” or have they? I question the way overdue release of the necklace not to mention the similiar photo/replica of it. But no sketch or photos of exactly what Morgan was wearing.
Blink reported a gold necklace. This necklace/photo is not “Gold Colored”. Hard to mistake this necklace {if she ended up wearing it at all)
Granny was only one to mention hair was pulled back with large earring. That is quite a specific point to recall in the dark. Morgan must have been close especially if Granny spoke to the two of them. Morgan did wear large earrings in a few photos, hair pulled back. This is not a casual walk by the car, this is an argument between two people going on. One pays more attention. Arguments tend to be loud. Granny had to have heard some words spoken. Timing of Granny was about right. Granny said She headed back to arena and he headed toward road then he turned back towards her and then they both headed back to the road,not arena. So where would this place Granny’s car?
I have not found anywhere that Dee said this was her, has anyone else?
Blink- there was a published article early in the investigation that mentioned which lot Morgans car was parked. I’ll see if I can dig it up and post. Blizzard here-so homebound.
Judi-I feel ya sista. Either Le is really onto something,playing close to the vest, or this case has completely stalled.
Yoshi is doin’ some digging. Great work. That is just what we need to keep this going.
Questioner great contributions to suggesting searchers.
I think this site is incredible and all of you are very intelligent. The best is you all seem to care about each other and I know Blink would not have it any other way. Great Job on the site Blink. What I was wondering is can America’s Most Wanted do a show on this or some major show 48 hours etc. I live in California and we do not hear anything about this at all. I only know about Morgan because it was briefly on Nancy Grace and then I found this site which has the best information. I just think we need more media involvement nationwide even if it ends up the BG is found in Virginia, you never know who is watching .
Blink, I know Observer doesn’t think that “on belief” (aka several other names on several different boards) is the bad guy, and I truly respect what she says, but is this guy just plain crazy or are we Hoping That They’re Taking A Good Look At Him? He’s obviously psychotic, delusional, and with lots of issues…maybe just crazy enough to kill a beautiful young woman and think he can get away with it.
Everything stops with the BB players, they knew her state of mind at that point, possibly her intentions and if she was in possesion of either her phone or purse. Why on earth were they so slow to volunteer this information? I`d be doubtful if any of them claimed to have seen her HH on the bridge…. Who was last to leave? Do they all drive? What did they do for the rest of the evening? Anybody`s alibi has to be pressured a bit more with the threat of prosecution, BB players, ex BF, ex BF`s current GF.
Blink,
I posted a lot of links to Virginia hunting and gun clubs, nra, etc. I didn’t see them post on this thread.
I’m wondering if they ended up on another thread or if this is something that is not allowed? I only did so to help someone get started on contacting the hunters through newsletters, etc….
Word, I never saw it, a few posts if they have a chunk of links get kicked to askimet. NO IDEA why, you were not the only one. Apollies, if you can please repost.
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“Do you remember Rader’s comments about her walking with people but not “with” them, or something to that effect?”
I do, and thought that it in a way provided some corroboration for the 44 yo. And if she did it with more than one individual/group, made me speculate about the reasons why?
(Why do I keep commenting, when my posts from 6 hours ago still haven’t appeared? Maybe I should worry about myself, because I’m getting a little obsessive with checking–speculating whether I offended or the site has a software glitch. Haven’t changed my info, so don’t know why I would get junked.)
Lizzy, I just caught yours, I have no idea why some got kicked to askimet, my apologies to you and anyone who hit the “filter”. Sending that info to tech.
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Does Dr. Harrington still practice as a psychiatrist, actually seeing patients, or does he work in some other capacity and doesn’t have direct contact with patients? Does anyone know if Dr. Harrington has a private office in his home where he can visit with patients outside of normal business hours? I know where his office is, but what if there’s an emergency outside of his normal hours, would that patient be sent to another psychiatrist, or would Dr. Harrington be called to meet with them outside his business office? Could he have had a patient who came in contact with Morgan during the course of his work, and fixated on her for some reason?
Just asking questions I’ve not seen asked…(although it’s possible I just missed similar comments/answers. You guys are hard to keep up with)
Blink- i’ve read so many articles…..ugh….can’t keep them all straight, I should have book marked. Oh well…..I’l keep digging. However, this article mentions the car, but not where. Also, a quick refresher of back to basics. Something perhaps we missed????
J2K- I am posting this (article) for your reference. This article states that the concert, there was 40 minutes that passed before Metallica started playing. Perhaps Morgan knew that there would be a long break before Metallica played, and thus her exit. Presuming she wanted to get back in time to see them play. Enough time to meet F? Just a thought.
ttp://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/10/27/3431855-where-in-the-world-is-missing-va-tech-student-morgan-harrington
Radio girl: Now I have the willies! Taylor Behls body was found by LE, based on a photo of an ex girl friends rural cabin posted on the perps myspace account. Perhaps another errie parrallel with Morgan and Taylor case.