Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Lovely,
I believe Sprint also uses CDMA and does not use SIM cards. It’s hard to say which one she used, especially if she was on a plan with her father. Most big businesses such as police departments, hospitals, etc. use either Sprint or Verizon.
Blink – You may post this if you feel that it may help the investigation. If you feel that it’s not necessary, don’t post.
I’m moderator of a new forum. It is for any and all info from friends that may be afraid to post about Morgan. I’m sticking my neck out about as far as I can get it. Pass this along to those you feel might be interested. I will be deleting nothing in the site.
[url]http://truthnjustice.proboards.com/index.cgi[/url]
from Observer (December 8, 2009 @ 1:10 pm):
“RE: wpgmouse, 12/7, 7:25pm: While you raise a very good question, if LE believes that MH’s abductor was someone she “met” on-line (or knew prior to Oct. 17, 2009), then they believe that the assault was not random. That is, MH was specifically targeted by this individual, as opposed to the concept that there is a random BG at large in the CV community. It is believed that the MH abduction was an event isolated to MH; meaning, the BG is not one who targets others; his sole focus was on MH, and MH alone.”
in response to (me)mouse ( from December 7, 2009 @ 7:25 pm):
“Observer,
IF, and I stress IF, Morgan was the victim of someone she met on line (I suggest a stalker who saw her online-photo – - not an innocent “blind date” arrangement), or of a stranger abduction, then IMO, LE has an Obligation, with a capital O, to make the community aware. If this is not an individual unique to Morgan in some personal respect, then how does LE justify the community believing this is an isolated event.”
Observer,
You excluded “stranger abduction” (from my comment) in your response.
Again I pose the same “IF” question regarding LE, but with the added thoughts:
How is it known that this individual has not done this before or will not do it again. “IF” in the case of a stranger abduction, MH may have been his target for that particular night, but how can they rule out, “IF” this is a stranger abduction (a “stranger” – - which you have put out here as your belief, Observer) that the community is not at risk and therefore no need for public awareness. “IF” there is a stranger, a predator or on-line stalker involved in the disappearance of Morgan Harrington, again, I stress, LE has an obligation to make the community aware.
UNLESS OF COURSE, the individual is someone known to Morgan and her circle of family and friends, having some history with her, and is likely to have had contact/interactiob with her is some aspect October 17. This “known” individual likely is the potential, most likely POI, specific to Morgan (being in danger from), considering LE has not put forth community concern for repeated (or prior) like behavior.
B – (re: #1685)
“Makes me think maybe she felt she was getting away from the agitative stimulant?”
B
Huh. Well, if getting ejected was the agitating stimulant, perhaps the male foursome was also kicked out, soon after she was. Timewise (and I’m just drawing this thought out), it would have been around when LOG finished their set, and people inside would be milling in front of security, or angling to get closer to the stage sans proper ticket stubs. [sidenote: wag of my finger to you people.] It would not be uncommon for busted concert attendees to be removed during this break, and more likely it would happen while there wasn’t an act on the mainstage.
What do you think the chances are that she was outside, bumming/stressed about her unexpected situation, and the removed dudes realized she was in the same crap boat they were? “Hey girl – they kicked you out too? Screw this place! We’re getting out of here and heading back to _____. (Harrison/Blacksburg?) Come smoke(?) with us and we’ll give you a ride home if you want.” Or, maybe she knew one of them.
Cue call from SS at 8:48 pm.
If she was down to going with them, and was relieved to see her unfortunate situation mitigated by helpful fellow JPJ rejects as angry at the venue as she was (or again, maybe she knew one of them), she may have then walked to RV lot in their group (now in a better mood), and joined them around the vehicle (per witness account), before, at some point soon thereafter, getting creeped out or pissed off – immediately ditching them in a “Later, Dudes” fashion.
In that case, she may have headed for the BB players in an attempt to get away from those clowns – perhaps they yelled jackassy things after her (obvs totally speculating on these individual’s demeanors). She walks with the players to the lot their cars are in, theoretically relieved to be away from those guys and in the midst of texting friend (maybe telling textee that her ride unexpectedly fell through?)… but one or all of them catch up with her again when she’s walking down Copeley – after all, if they were kicked out too, they’d be ostensibly be leaving the venue to head home, which may have meant passing her. Now she’s colder, feeling bummed again (maybe coming down from a buzz), and they/he is acts much nicer, more trustworthy, maybe apologizes, and urges her to let them/him “help” her, ie give her a ride home.
Just another consideration.
Oh, and here’s a follow-up thought (I know I’m reaching the end of a limb here, but bear with me). If she approached the BB players under the auspices of “Can I walk with you guys? There are some dudes over there bugging me,” and the players allowed her to walk with them, eventually leaving her alone in the lot… and next thing they know her disappearance is on the news, it’s possible the BBers suddenly felt guilty or ashamed they didn’t assist her more if she was alone in the night with four guys who had weirded her out in the direct vicinity of where they left her. I probably wouldn’t want to talk about that publicly either. (Not that they necessarily deserve any blame, of course.)
Thoughts?
wpgmouse, I guess since LE and the family and friends presumably know how she ended up outside the arena (and they ain’t tellin’), they would know whether she did it on purpose (like in order to meet someone) or inadvertently, in which case it’s just such an amazing coincidence that she got snatched by a lurking stranger. Not that it couldn’t happen—for all I know, weirdos hang out at every concert just waiting for such opptys.
Don’t know why LE isn’t talking or IMO showing ANY sense or urgency.
But, HERE’S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM LE (and I don’t think hinders the case, if they even have any case or POI, if they release)…
1) Has Le requested/given any lie detector tests to anyone.
2) Has her computer and on-line activity been looked at.
3) Where was she parked, who drove, who was all there?
4) Is there bank survelience footage that is of any importance?
5) How thoroughly have they reseached the 7-11 or Sheetz sighting the next morning? Can they confirm, yes or no, that it was her?
6) Did she exit he arena willingliy or was she ejected?
7) What was her phomne activity in the 24 hours prior to the concert?
8) Did anyone witness the model or color car that picked Morgan up?
I would think if they had a POI, they would be asking the public if anyone seen anthing in the XXX area, or did anyone see a vehicle matching a certain description that night doing anything “odd”. OK, let’s face it, all logic would seem that they would still need the public’s help in possibly collecting more witnesses, information, and of course locating Morgan. I also thought at one time that they had a POI and therefore was being so hush-hush but with the more time that passes and no arrrests, no Morgan, no more info, nothing, I just don’t know.
And, WHY WOULDN’T LE put a statement out for hunters to be on the look-out.
I’m sorry, but to me, these pieces are just not adding up. Something is just not right here.
Sigh.
Double Sigh.
B
Excellent post momof3 about the led Zeppelin references I also have been wondering about this and your comment struck a chord with me. I don’t cooment much but make a point of reading every post and staying connected. Love and respect for dear Blink who i have become a fan of along this jpurney and thanks to the intelligent caring posse of thinkers including Observer I say Goodday and pray Morgan is found.
Comment by Kris Kringle — December 7, 2009 @ 7:34 pm
“I believe that I read somewhere you can now check game on-line. If so, maybe a notice re MH and requesting their assistance with eyes wide open while out in the woods/fields could be posted on the site(s?).
B- I hope that you are wearing your blaze orange while you run near hunting areas.”
(with resposne)
“If I found myself there, absolutely, and good advice for anyone. Mr. Blink also advises to seek out the Game Warden in the area, anyone?
B”
I have so hesitated (for some time) to put this forth.
However … in speculation only,
a game warden can be considered (or is considered – - as a conservation officer) to be a faction of LE or thereof.
Again just saying, food for thought for consideration, also known as speculation.
Blink, I still don’t see my 2 posts from 6 a.m.ish. So I am reposting one idea/question from them. I also pointed out that it was not insider knowledge that LE had contacted the Harringtons at 8:30 a.m. re the purse. The reason that recalled reading that is that it made me assume that the purse was found the night before, until I heard otherwise.
That’s pretty early on Sunday morning for someone to have found the purse in a parking lot, contacted police, police got the purse and then contacted the Harringtons. Made me wonder more about when it was found and who was out and about in the parking lot described in that account as “between JPJ and the athletic fields.”
Thanks. Sorry if the other posts show up and this is redundant. Patience is not MY virtue as you have seen.
Re: Comment by lisa — December 8, 2009 @ 8:02 am
On belief may have inside info, but in the case of the Sunday morning phone call from LE, he just watched the news.
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/parents_and_pastor_speak_out_as_
_______________________________________
Lisa,
Thanks so much for that link, I had not seen or heard that before. If they new about it that early on that just raises more questions!
I also find it odd that the Pastor lives with the Harringtons. How long has she lived there? 6 months?
I’ve also posted Morgan’s information in some hunting forums in and around the Charlottesville area.
Re: Comment by J2K — December 8, 2009 @ 2:28 pm
On the message board http://www.metallicabb.com/index.php?showtopic=113903&st=50, a poster (post #58 on 10/18/09 12:10 pm) mentions trying to “get back in the arena.” Could this be a reference to the same female security guard who MH had a problem with? Maybe MH she wasn’t the only one who couldn’t make it back to her seat if she had gone down to the floor during Lamb of God – maybe left her ticket stub at her seat?
PS sorry for all the miss spellings in my last post finally given up sitting at the table with computer reading scrolls of posts have resorted to sitting on the couch like my teenage daughter balancing said computer on lap with hot cup of tea, yorkshire gold of course. Everyday hoping and praying for Morgan and her family.
lol
B
omment by suz:
“wpgmouse, I guess since LE and the family and friends presumably know how she ended up outside the arena (and they ain’t tellin’), they would know whether she did it on purpose (like in order to meet someone) or inadvertently, in which case it’s just such an amazing coincidence that she got snatched by a lurking stranger. Not that it couldn’t happen—for all I know, weirdos hang out at every concert just waiting for such opptys.”
suz,
I agree with you that it could have happened – - “snatched by a lurking stranger”, which further causes me to question the absence of alert or awareness to the community by LE if this is indeed the case.
–Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/contact/
–Keswick Hunt Club
701 Club Drive, Keswick - (434) 296-9405
–Farmington Hunt Club
http://www.farmingtonhunt.org
5926 Wesley Chapel Road, Free Union - (434) 978-1107
–Virginia Hunting Guides Society
http://www.huntingsociety.org
–Virginia Hunting Trail
http://www.huntingtrail.net
~~~If one of our good writers on this forum is so inclined, this might be a start in the effort to contact hunters, through newsletters, posters.~~~
I’ve never heard of anyone getting thrown out of a venue for trying to sneak onto the floor. I think they just direct you back to where you belong (unless you won’t cooperate, I guess).
#1706
Hummingbird, thank you for your kind acknowledgment.
I am glad I am not the only one to have thought of Morgan’s love of music perhaps playing a part in the mind of the abductor. (If he was a love interest and had a plan in advance)
The truth is I am so tired of not knowing where to place my thinking cap. Did Morgan arrive at the arena? Did she get ejected? Was her car used while they were at the concert? Did her friends not have her keys because of this? Was she meeting someone? Was she abducted? Did she runaway?
In the first press conference the friends were asked to be forth coming with information “They know her habits” they were asked not to let Morgan disappear from their lives and to keep helping the investigation. (paraphrasing)
The BB players were told they could give statements if they were so inclined. Why then, doesn’t LE release some CONCRETE information regarding her last conversation with her friends, and the players.
A simple yeah we spoke to Morgan she told us her name and the whole story of why she was missing the concert from the basketball players would be such a HUGE help. Also what was she wearing did she have her purse was her hair pulled back. ect
Some great scenarios about her car/ who was driving/why have been brought up here. Why doesn’t LE at least confirm who, by name was driving? if the male companion left in the car returned later, or if it was parked the entire time- where was it parked?
The whole Dee connection is bothersome also, she stated she and her friends met up with Morgan’s friends and were told she was missing and that they weren’t going to continue on to the motel. Why did they not call her? Why did they not call her parents? If they did call her there must be several attempted calls on the phone bills why not release some of that info?
We still do not know the events leading up to her going to the concert or leaving the venue. How can we offer up any relevant hypothesis GG vs BG vs wanting freedom vs overdose, if we do not know any of the facts?
Without these or any facts we are all just throwing spaghetti on the wall and we don’t even know if it has even been put in the pot, if the water was boiling already or if someone forgot to turn on the stove.
Hi everyone. You have sure been busy brainstorming. I’ve got lots to catch up on.
I recently stated that there was no way MH was hitchhiking the night she went missing. My rationale was that people just plain know better than to HH these days. This morning I log online, and there in my local news I read this:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11634473
Yes, a female hitchhikes her way up to the snow since she left her chains at home in her garage. She’d been stopped by the cops and not allowed to proceed without snow chains. She is lucky to be alive to tell about it.
From this, I have to think that perhaps MH was indeed hitching a ride from the Copley Bridge.
Metallica played here at the Mandalay Bay to a sold out crowd on Saturday night. It all just makes me so sad that we still don’t know where Morgan is.
Take care everyone. I’m gonna catch up on all of your posts now.
Word Girl,
Thank you for the site links.
wpgmouse – in Va a game warden is considered LE.
2nd time poster and much like moon (“avid reader and thinker. I usually get close to posting, only to ruminate on it and decide not to, only to find out later that mostly everyone touches on and then runs with at least most of my thoughts!”).
Observer (#1598) (and all who have cleverly responded to the post since)
This scenario is plausible. May I offer this variation?
Maybe she does see the concert as a “safe” environment to meet and hang with the new F or xbf … very public.
Agree MH would keep this from her family but SS gave HER a kiss goodbye – so I think MH’s friends knew about the meet up with F/xbf, at least SS.
Consider the possibility that F does (or tells MH he is anyhow) purchase ticket(s) to the concert; states he is going to bring his friends (gives the impression of safety). Perhaps F explains that he cannot make it until 9:00pm, so what if F misses the opening bands – “We’re here to see Metallica, right?” Maybe F states (in the days before the concert) that one of his friends is not going to make it. Has an extra ticket, mentions maybe he’ll try to sell it at the door before entering. F says “how am I going to find you since I can’t get into your section (since Security is at the entrances to these sections)?” They decide to meet near the front entrance between 9:00 – 9:30pm. LOG is off stage around 8:40pm; enough time to go to the ladies room and freshen up for F. She stands just inside the entrance and doesn’t see F … oh he!! All these people, I’m never going to find xbf/recognize F.” Exit the arena, it will be easier. As she exits, she is told that she cannot re-enter. “So what,F has extra ticket.”
From there, the further scenarios would be likely but I tend to believe there could have been a combo of 1 and 2; at first she doesn’t think he showed. She tries to get back in and then decides to check parking lots … runs into BB players. Walks up on the bridge (the side that goes into the JPJ area … she thinks they are going back into the concert after all) and this is the direction he is traveling. F/xbf could even have entered the lot where her purse was found (continuing MH’s assumption that they are going back into concert); subdued her and threw it out of the car before exiting. Game over.
F did not necessarily premeditate this but the folly of events worked in his favor.
IMO, she did not intend to miss the concert.
I no longer believe that MH had an addiction problem. But it does seem logical that MH was under the influence of some substance that led to the follow of events that evening. FWIW, I think MH probably lost the cell phone battery due to the condition of the phone.
#1715 Suz,
Hi, I asked this question earlier…
They do throw you out if you do not have a ticket stub on your person. Especially if you are giving the guards a hard time or if you are deemed impaired (intoxicated)
#938Comment by belleboyd — December 2, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
#930 Momof3 I’ve been to JPJ for concerts and YES you must have your ticket stub in order to return to your seat if you leave for drinks, bathroom, etc
# 1711 Comment by Rae — December 8, 2009 @ 3:11 pm
Re: Comment by J2K — December 8, 2009 @ 2:28 pm
On the message board http://www.metallicabb.com/index.php?showtopic=113903&st=50, a poster (post #58 on 10/18/09 12:10 pm) mentions trying to “get back in the arena.” Could this be a reference to the same female security guard who MH had a problem with? Maybe MH she wasn’t the only one who couldn’t make it back to her seat if she had gone down to the floor during Lamb of God – MAYBE LEFT HER TICKET stub at her seat? (bold by me)
Comment by cville girl:
“wpgmouse – in Va a game warden is considered LE.”
Thanks for clarifying cville girl (I can remove “or faction of” LE).
Blink I think my post may have accidently got posted with my email address. post 1714
No, it was pre-moderated. I have since deleted it.
B
Moonchime, I’m watching Metallica right this very minute on that HBO rock and roll hall of fame concert, thinking of Morgan and wondering where on earth she is.
Blink,
We’re working on it…coordinating and implementing….getting info out to hunters and other sportsmen.
I’m taking some of your poster’s suggestions back to group to explore and to incorporate.
PS…Keep’em com’em!! And,a big thank you to all of your contributors!
630-Comment by RNmom –You asked if off duty police officer’s drive their police cars home.——
Yes, they can and do. My brother in law was an officer in Arkansas. He drove the police car home often.
Thanks, Momof3, but I am still having a hard time picturing someone getting ejected from an arena for not having a ticket stub on their person. For fighting? Yes. Being wayyyyyyy too drunk or drugged? Yes, but more likely to the first aid station to sleep it off, so you don’t go out and drive.
I can see how lack of a ticket would mean you could not return to your seat, but since you needed a ticket to make it that far into the arena, they’re not just telling yo to go home. And I don’t think they would worry about anyone trying to sneak into section 312—kind of nose bleed, isn’t it? Most people are trying to get down to the floor. Still, the worse thing that would happen is the usher would say, “sorry, you need your ticket stub to get up these stairs”—and then you would be stuck in the arena near the food and bathrooms and t-shirt vendors, where you could wander freely, and then you would try again to get to your seat when the usher was busy, or you would text your friends and have them come get you with your stub and their stubs.
Now, if the usher gave you trouble and you got really argumentative, you MIGHT get tossed from the arena, but even then they usually try not to throw you all the way out. They would rather have you calm down and behave. They’re usually just there to keep order, not to ruin your concert experience.
RNMom, I have to wonder if that was a misunderstanding or just a misstatement by the reporter. If the Harringtons live where I think they do, then the address shown for Rev Diane in our phone book is on the other side of town.
If I ever run into one of my Unity friends, I’m going to ask.
Coming waaaaaaay out of left field on this one.
The body found in Georgia, near I85. >500 miles away but the name that comes to mind on this site is Justin Gaines…
Could it be Morgan?
Hope not….
TO B, re: my 12/7, 1:10 post and MH’s purse: I believe MH’s purse was found where it was because either: a) she inadvertently dropped it earlier, on her way through the RV/Lannigan Lot before she proceeded to the Copeley Bridge; or b) as suggested in perhaps my earliest post, the F/BG picked-up MH on/near Copeley (while MH’s purse was still with her), drove immediately to the RV lot (only feet from Copeley) where something untoward ensued, discarded the purse and contents out his vehicle window, and departed the area immediately thereafter. While I am open to other scenarios, these are two that resonate with me.
RE: SuzeeB, 12/8, 1:14pm, re: sketch or photos of what MH was wearing that night: A photo or sketch would probably not provide definitive help in locating witnesses who may have seen her MH. That is, the number of black mini skirts, boots, etc. is endless and easily confused, especially in the dark. The necklace MH wore (if indeed she wore it), however, is a completely different story. This is a piece of jewelry that, by its very nature, i.e., constructed of brilliant crystals in a distinctive setting, would be striking and memorable to anyone who may have seen it. This item alone might have caught the attention of anyone who may have seen–or, thought they’d seen–MH wearing it. If, as you aptly point out, MH wore it at all.
RE: localcvillegirl, 12/8, 1:23pm: I think you’re on-target–“on belief” is what we like to (generously or politely) refer to as “a (very) strange agent”—not unlike an earlier poster we all witnessed here who was apparently a most prolific writer on FB. On belief could be MH’s BG; however, I believe not–but am definitely open to the ideas and opinions of others on this. In either case, whenever a markedly crazed poster surfaces as on belief did, LE’s antennae are alerted.
RE: questioner, 12/8, 1:58, re: your new forum devoted specifically to MH’s friends: One of the very best ideas I have heard to date. Problem though: I was unable to access it. Can you please re-post the URL? TIA. [Note: Although not one of MH’s friends, I am interested in the posts that might appear there, as a key to her disappearance could easily result therein.]
RE: wpgmouse, 12/8, 2:14: You are right: If the MH disappearance is as a result of a random, stranger abduction, the scene shifts markedly, and likewise LE’s approach to it. Meaning, if the person who abducted MH had no knowledge of her prior to the evening of Oct. 17, 2009 and she was instead a random victim, chosen for no particular reason at all, i.e., wrong-place-wrong-time, then yes, to a moral certainty: LE would have every obligation to alert the community, as they did with the earlier serial rapist, that there was a predator on the loose. We would all be well-served with that information. If I were a parent of a UVA student…if my god-daugther were here at UVA…as a member living in this community, I’d want to know.
You are right again: If this was a completely random, stranger abduction, there is no way to definitely know if, when, and where BG will strike again. [Serial BGs often escalate in a sometimes predictable fashion and are rarely if ever satisfied with only one “event”.] If this was a stranger abduction, the BG could still be at-large in the CV community, waiting for the next large-scale rock concert at JPJ (or not), or already have moved onto his next target venue, e.g., the Nissan Pavilion area in Northern VA or the Richmond Coliseum in nearby Richmond, VA. Or, he could target a different university community that (as mentioned some time ago) is generally rife with opportunities for BG’s to ply their despicable trade. College towns are target-rich for BGs–and BGs know it (and college students by their very nature are relatively oblivious to it, even if/when warned repeatedly.)
All the above said, I believe that LE believes (and I have likewise come to believe) that MH’s abduction was specific to her–meaning, BG targeted her for a very specific reason. [Poor example to follow, but I offer it if it will help: Say a middle-aged Asian woman is murdered. BG is caught, arrested, charged, and convicted. The investigation revealed that BG abducted and murdered this particular victim because he was obsessed with her…was a spurned former lover…etc. et. al. BG targeted her and only her; BG was not interested in abducting or harming anyone else; it was all about her. BG never harmed anyone before or since. BG did not target women in general, Asian women, or middle-aged women; he simply wanted this victim. I realize, though, that LE did not have this information "on the front side".]
LE may be of the same mind about MH’s BG: his attack on MH was not random; she was his specific, singular target, and he hit his target, for reasons right now (seemingly) known only to him.
Or: LE believes that the BG was really a GG (“good guy”) gone bad. Meaning, he at first intended no harm to MH, but things went terribly awry and met with a very bad outcome. This GG turned BG did not start out that way, he never did this before, and would never do this again. It was a horrible but singular event for this GG turned BG.
And all of that said, I remain open to all options. [While I may seemingly discount an option out-of-hand, unless or until this case is closed, everything remains on the table.]
RE: Moonchime, 12/8, 4:47pm and RNMom 6:30: In certain jurisdictions off-duty LE officers are allowed to drive their police unit home. In others, this is not allowed; it is specific to the jurisdiction.
Girlfriends confide in each other. Morgan meeting someone “secretly” and meeting him “secretly” just does not fit with the pattern of girls who are very close to one another. Nope, I do not buy that. (Was it ‘Observer’ who said that?)
WE have not been told the details/facts and continue to explore scenarios. Morgan’s friends DO know who THE individual is that she texted and met.
I’m sticking to the theory of a former friend who socialized with her during the period of her hard rock interest….festivals, rock stars, heavy eye make-up, black nail polish, appearing thinner (drugs?). Perhaps, he was older, exciting to her (different from her usual background), controlling, maybe quick tempered, obsessed with this beautiful young free-spirited girl….his prize. But, to her, he was only a passing ‘fancy’ and not interested in him as a long time lover….. Someone who knew the arena, the process of the shows, familiar with the area.
Perhaps, he did not want anyone to know he was meeting her because he has a new girlfriend; thus, the meeting at the bridge.
I think she might have said something to him that he perceived as more rejection, and he lost his temper. Perhaps, it was an accident.
Now, that’s my scenario.
I, too, have become a “blinkoncrime” stalker – : ) Again, this is the first MP case I’ve ever been this close to, so I don’t know if my feelings are normal or not, but taking the doggie for a walk this AM, I just felt such despair — on the little lane I live on there are acres and acres of farm land, and wooded areas — the wooded areas all now covered in a thick layer of leaves — it’s plausible someone could walk right by her and never see her — and it got to the point where I even said to God: what is up with you? Everyone keeps praying — why aren’t you showing us where she is; give this family peace –
Then I decided I was either going to the looney bin, or hell — : )
The Pantera shirt — well, the last concert I went to was Celtic Woman in June, and before that I literally think it was Barry Manilow — I wasn’t aware of the “metal etiquette” of wearing another band’s shirt, but that day I can tell you I saw literally thousands of young people (and older original fans) wearing Metallica t-shirts —
Observer, you are right — Morgan is definitely a “girlie-girl” — my guy called me “high maintenance” — and my gut tells me she took extra care in picking out her outfit for a reason other than going to a concert –even Dee, dressed similar to Morgan, was with her “boyfriend” — dollars to donuts she was dressing for the guy, not the band — but we don’t know.
No, I am not an atty, nor a judge — although many judges have asked my opinion about cases over the years — I worked in the legal industry for 20 yrs until I had a pretty serious accident 5 years ago — I worked mainly in the civil end — lawsuits, divorce — but I did also work some criminal cases; however, in those instances, my involvement was after an arrest had been made and it was during the trial phase — so I really don’t have much more than a lay person’s knowledge of what goes into an investigation leading to an arrest.
As to my last post, which was pretty detailed. Unfortunately, no, this is not any “inside” info — if it were, I’d have called LE yesterday : )
I have a friend — a good friend of 11 years — this friend has a “gift.” She is not psychic, she is not a medium, she does not “see dead people”, she does not do this professionally, she does not charge money or accept “love offerings,” she does not “channel spirits of ancient warriors,or aliens or anybody else, she does not seek to aid LE, she does not seek publicity in any manner. She doesn’t live anywhere close to Va., and only was aware of this case by my mentioning it to her shortly after Oct. 17th. It’s like she is reading a book and relaying the information. In the 11 years I have known her, she has been right 100 % of the time, and I don’t ask her often for information on my behalf. At my request last night, she tuned in to whatever guidance or gift she has. I don’t have it — again, hence my living in Va. and not on a private island in the Caribbean — this may all be nonsense and lead nowhere, but if I were the Harringtons or LE, I would take an extremely close look at the informatio she provided —
To recap: (and again, I mean absolutely no disrespect to Morgan, or her family — even if Morgan were the lowest person on the earth, she did not deserve to be abducted and I believe murdered)
She told me to have people search back — like back to winter and early spring — of Morgan’s “secret” contact w/ this person — it is related to drug trafficing — ** it is my own instincts to “follow the money,” and I asked her about that and she confirmed it, saying that Morgan was spending money she didn’t or “wouldn’t” account for — that the Harringtons were/are aware of Morgan’s drug use and other private behavior, hence their trying to keep tabs on her over the summer and into the new school year.
While Morgan may have initially been excited to see Metallica, things changed closer to Oct. 17th. Morgan had contact w/ this individual — a male, dark complexion, olive skin — but not Hispanic — Morgan’s contact, in her mind, was not necessarily to buy drugs, but to hook up with this guy, thinking it could be the start of a relationship — in Morgan’s mind, a budding romance — and that she took great care in what she was going to wear to meet this man, not the concert — my friend mentioned the “kiss good-bye” and that the friends more than likely were unaware of Morgan’s plans — she believes Morgan ingested something either just prior to or during the concert which altered her perception — she wasn’t sure what it was —
When the male showed up, he was w/ a female, and Morgan became enraged, which led to her trying to re-enter the arena, and her anger and frustration being unable to. By 9 PM, whatever Morgan took was beginning to kick in, which correlates statements by witnesses of her stumbling, dropping her purse — somehow, the male followed her and convinced her to come w/ him — he either picked her up on the bridge, or closeby — it was the male — and/or the female w/ him – that removed the battery from the phone — for the purpose of rendering the phone untraceable — and it was the couple who got rid of the purse —
According to my friend, it was the intention of this couple to get Morgan “high” and have a sexual escapade, which Morgan resisted. Morgan wasn’t targeted to be killed, but during their encounter, things got out of hand, and the female is the one who killed Morgan — *they* dumped her body somewhere near Waynesboro — she kept repeating the word “they” over and over; said it was definitely two people, one male, one female.
I asked her specifically if the person that LE believes killed Morgan is the one responsible and she was emphatic that he is not, but that the police are trying to “fit” or “mold” the evidence to fit their theory.
She said this male is around Morgan’s age — not years older — that the couple are not married, but live in an old farmhouse not “in” C-ville, but close by — he is NoT a student, but is known to students at UVA as a dealer —
This couple think they have gotten away “with murder” because there are no leads to them — they have read the FB boards, and maybe this one, but not recently because no one has advanced this theory, and Morgan’s interaction w/ him was limited back in the late winter/early spring — Morgan’s phone records during that time should be checked —
She feels that eventually Morgan’s body will be found, but not any time soon, but it could change if they bring in the male for questioning — he is a coward, and he will “sell out” the female to save his own hide and would deal w/ LE to show the location in exchange for leniency —
She also strongly felt that local LE are aware of this person — but for another reason — maybe theft of auto parts ??? — and that LE was in no way connecting him to Morgan —
She very clearly felt that both LE and UVA are absolutely NOT trying to cover up anything, and like Observer posts, these people have families and children of their own, and want her found as much as everyone else. UVA is not concerned about their reputation, because they are aware of the BB players’ interaction w/ Morgan, and it is innocent, and also that JPJ’s no re-entry policy is a sound one, so they don’t have anything to hide or try to “protect.”
So there you have it in a nut shell. You can take it on face value, or totally dismiss it. If I were the Harringtons and you read this — I’d investigate it — if I were LE, I’d be on the lookout for this guy — I don’t know if C-ville has a drug “Task Force” but she said definitely somebody in LE is aware of this male, but they’re not associating him w/ Morgan in any way.
My personal feeling — I know my friend — she told me I was going to buy this house — not this specific house, but this house in this location — six months before I bought it, and I told her she was nuts, I was staying in the city, yet here I sit.
Oh, I just remembered this part — that the couple tried to clean up their car as much as possible, but that there is physical evidence of Morgan being in their car that they’ve missed — if they can find the car, they’ll find Morgan because this little weazle will rat out his g/f in a NY minute !
Again, personally, I don’t care if this scenario ends up being totally wrong and someone else’s totally accurate. It’s not about who’s right and who’s wrong. I just want Morgan found. I don’t know why I care so much for this family I never knew existed until late Oct., or why I care so much for the life of this young girl — but I do.
I’m an analytical thinker — I believe in science and hard evidence — but I’ve also heard Isaac Perlman play the violin, watched as he, the instrument and the music became as one, and knew he existed in a plane I would never enter, but was lucky enough to witness.
I knew when I posted this to this board in particular, I ran the risk of being ostracized — but my desire to help find Morgan outweighed anything else —
So if you think I deserve a trip straight to the looney bin (do not pass go, do not collect $200, even though I am the 100,000th visitor : > ) please don’t come down on me too hard : )
In peace, Sky (who’s now crossed over to the weird side : >
I always look forward to your insightful thoughts, Observer. I don’t believe this was random. It may have been “fortuitous,” but I believe Morgan was specifically targeted. I agree with your theories on the purse, though I tend to lean more toward the idea that she dropped it herself. It just seems logical to me that if the BG had it with him in the car, he’d have gotten rid of it somewhere where it might never be found rather than leave a clue to where the crime occurred. I think perhaps Morgan either dropped it during a struggle or dropped it deliberately so people would know something was wrong. JMO, of course, and anything is possible.
And…, I do not think Morgan was really HH’n. Think about it. A person does not stick out their thumb unless they see someone/a car. Was there a car on the bridge or coming toward her when she stuck out her thumb?
Perhaps, IF she stuck out her thumb, then it was in jest when she eyed the individual she was supposed to meet.
My head hurts from reading this blog and ruminating on all the possibilities.
Blink — I commend you for all the work you put into this and for drawing such an array of astute posters, as well as for keeping the process civil.
Sometimes keeping things simple ends up working best in the final analysis. Here’s my simple look at the MH situation. I reached this conclusion very early in this case.
She was booted from the concert for some behavioral reason. She walked to the parking lot area, either alone or with others, has verbal interaction with the BB players and maybe others. At some point after the BB players depart, she is accosted by a predator — not BF, XBF or anyone she knew. While the predator was disabling her, her purse and phone dropped to the ground. He puts her in his car/van and leaves the area. End game — as Blink puts it.
I’ve never believed she was hitchhiking. If LE put that out, I think it was to feed somebody false info. The BF ex-BF, etc., theories don’t register with me. It seems farfetched to me that anyone in these categories would want to kill MH. A predator, on the other hand, would not want her around to talk after he was finished with her. I would think that predator killings are much more common than BF, ex-BF, F, etc. killings. but I could be wrong.
Looking back at all the “facts”
I noticed this…
1. The reports and timeline here http://www.nbc29.com/Global/link.asp?L=414506
says she was last seen at 9:30 on Copeley
2. The Granny sighting here http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374052 says she thought she spotted Morgan at 9:30 as well.
3. Her phones battery removed at 9:30 as well.
All three couldn’t have happened.
Which one to believe?
Counselor, re: 1733, FWIW, I *absolutely* did stuff and did not tell my closest girlfriends about it. I can think of some other girls who were the same way. Who wants to be judged? Not to say MH was keeping secrets from the friends … just to say it’s plausible.
However, SS’s “we wouldn’t have done it” comment lingers and makes me wonder what “it” they wouldn’t they have done (beyond driving home from C’ville sans MH, and maybe that’s all she meant … interesting though that she stopped talking after that interview).
I am of the belief LE has a solid theory and information to back it.
(B, please feel free to delete if you don’t find this appropriate here. I just had to get this of my chest. I am so very scared for our young women, especially those off from home or away at college. I’m beginning to think the BG’s are lurking in every nook & cranny these days
Ot I know, but relevant in a sense.
My son’s gf has ties to a local college in Roanoke, a college which Dr. Harrington also has ties to. Yesterday afternoon in between 1 & 2 pm, she returned home from her classes. She dropped her belongings on the counter and headed for the bathroom to wash her hands. All of a sudden, her bathroom door opens, and an unknown person is standing there, dressed all in black, including a ski mask. Thank God her reaction was to slam the door, which must have scared him too, as he ran out the door. LE are still looking into how he got in, who he was, etc. Her car was parked right in front of her home, lights in the house on, and she had 3 big dogs in the house who bark incessantly, but he came in anyway. Not saying any of this has to do with Morgan, but it is a short distance from where her parents are.
Please all, be careful out there, especially those who plan on going out and searching. We already know how danger seems to be lurking around every corner for our children and the women out there, but with the time of the year it is, and the economy so bad, extra precautions should be on everyone’s mind. Especially if any of you are going to search in or around the area’s where you think the BG of Morgan’s story could be…
Justice-
Were Police called? I better see a BOLO. Traumatic, glad she is ok.
B
Moon, love your post. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
Mandy, love your 7:32am. post and agree with all three points. One other reason disposable phones are used…affairs. Forbidden relationships/activities.
SuzeeB, excellent point. I agree that she was probably thrown out of the venue. If that was the case, then it would exclude a planned rondez- vous with ex lover.
Along those lines, I have always felt strongly that Morgan went voluntarily (albeit impaired) with her abductor or killer. I believe she either knew the person or trusted them for some reason.
Now, if we find out that she was asked to leave the venue, as it would appear, then I lean strongly toward someone that she trusted, (cop) or someone that she had met that night in her impaired state, (bball player).
I have also wondered about the timing of the release of the grey van info. in the Childs Metzler case, exactly one month after Morgan disappears. To me, that murder says law enforcement or someone posing as such.
So, J2K, I am in total agreement with your post left at 12:09. So, no ex then? A predator just had a lucky night and stumbled upon beautiful intoxicated blonde?
No. So, that brings me back to someone in her immediate periphery on the night of October 17th. I know this is unpopular, but the basketball players and their actions or lack thereof really stick in my mind. I keep coming back to that. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about that.
Sorry to be rudely slow in responding to Word Girl (#1522) but something odd happened yesterday evening– this site would not refresh/update for me. For hours stayed stuck on 1600 posts. Today I accessed by an old thread; will try to post several comments.
Word Girl, I note some parts of your post were addressed by others, but here’s an excerpt from yours:
“I’m glad you mentioned DW’s comment that he “feel[s] more like a man now” because it tells me that a 30-year-old with that recognition might be at a 14-year-old emotional level.
But when you said, “And somewhere down the line, if justice is served here, someone who may have had illusions of being a pretty big cheese could wind up smelling like rotten ginkos pureed with past-its-prime Livarot! And who will love him then?”
First question: what’s a rotten ginko?
Next question: Now that you’ve gotten your feet wet, what do you think about the case? It would be a shame to waste that brain in lovely, rhetorical flourish.”
Thanks, lizzy and luvblink, for giving the actual DW quotation—which I had not seen earlier (using someone else’s paraphrase instead)—as “yeah i think i’ve been feeling more male lately.” Clearly different in tone from “. . . feeling more like a man,” and in the context he wrote it, it reads to me, too, like an “inside joke” shared with his tireless correspondent Sarah. If there’s one takeaway from this—besides the credit I was giving DW for being emotionally at least 14—it would be the supposition that almost any of the hypothetical attackers of Morgan in abduction scenarios we’ve raised might well be just as emotionally immature; thus an ex-BF might “righteously”have a violently angry response to what he might see as her pulling away from him, her betrayal of his “love,” her family’s meddling with his happiness, etc.
And lizzy (#1535) gave a truly graphic account of the “ginkgo”—my bad on orig. spelling!—[here’s another link, for those morbidly curious]:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/etc/091005-cities-chop-down-stinky-ginko-trees.html
Don’t know that I’ve ever seen “uncontrollable vomiting” from an encounter with these fruits, but the smell carries and lingers; think, “stepped-in dog poop and carrion” and you’ll get it. “Past-its-prime Livarot” is also distressing to most. {But I should not have poached cheese metaphors from Blink and wpgmouse; forgive me, please!}
So: What do I think happened? First off, your guess is as good as mine (and maybe better), because it can be only a guess, from a potential trainwreck of surmises, a daisychain of suppositions, starved of “facts in the case.” And to state, point by point, what I feel is likely– unless to do it pontifically, as Observer puts her beliefs in post #1472, without clearly stating WHY she believes such—would take much longer than anyone would have patience for. I don’t have any lofty vantage or such magisterial certainty; I haven’t reached conclusions, maybe not even categorical Exclusions. That said, I haven’t given up wrestling with all this; although on some points I stubbornly hold close to positions I started out from, on others I lean quite differently (persuaded by reasonings I wouldn’t have reached on my own).
Word Girl, most of the profile points about a BG which you laid out in your #1468 you could pretty easily sell me on. I’ve long thought a BG was someone Morgan THOUGHT she knew; I’ve been less sure that they’d had much face-to-face contact—not romantically, anyhow– before Oct. 17th. In fact, in a more recent post (#1598) Observer lays out a chain of events very close to a model that I subscribed to when first posting on FindMorgan; difference being that I’m unprepared, even now, to insist on it. Or its antithesis.
That said, I hope to have more to say. This site is an inspiring exercise in idea generation from very small seeds of certainty. Kudos to many!
Hi Radiogirl, I am traveling and as a result, haven’t had the time to read the posts here with much regularity. I am admittedly getting way behind. Help!
Anyway, I just read your post above where you state that I stated that ‘I knew that Morgan has plans to meet someone’. I honestly don’t recall posting that and will have to go back and re read what I have written. I want to read all of the posts here, however, so it might take me some time.
If I did state that then the answer is no, I do not know for certain that she had any plans with anyone. Sorry if I led anyone to think that.
Wow. I just had a thought,( and please advise ,by the way ,if this is more appropriately left on the Facebook site, specifically in the psychic / strange thoughts thread.)
Anyway, what if Morgan got into some kind of a physical scuffle inside the arena with another WOMAN? Hence the scrape on her face and perhaps a newfound enemy? This may have also contributed to her being asked to leave, (if that did happen) Hmmm…
Mkay, J2k, you can say it…
NYC Dude, those remains in GA are said to be several months old, so I am thinking it’s not Morgan (but I guess we won’t know for sure until they ID them).
Foul play is suspected.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21896057/detail.html
I feel like sometimes on this site we end up chasing our tails. I believe it is to be expected with what little we have to work with.
Today while I was driving home I tried to think about the case boiled down to it’s simplest facts and not consider the speculation from myself or others.
I did have one new idea. I wonder if anyone ever approaced MH about modeling? This could account for her weight loss and I know that a lot of creeps play pretend-scout to meet, photograph and gain access to pretty women.
Unrelated to above thought, but still something on my mind:
Why did her friends say she was doing homework on the way to the show? That is madness. By all accounts she was extremely excited to see Metallica so I doubt she would even be able to concentrate very well on her studies. Was she, however, writing something? A letter to someone,or in a journal? Did her mother teach her to record and examine her feelings as she does on the family site? Was she acting in a way that made them believe she was working or is that just entirely made up to mask something else? If there was work done by Morgan the afternoon of the concert, I would be interested to see it.
Related but new direction:
Who makes an appointment to study and balance their checkbook on noon the day after a concert? Especially if she had planned to hang out a bit after the show? Was she planning on getting no sleep or was this a suggestion made by her parents to ensure she came directly home from the concert with some accountability for her whereabouts? Did they sense she may be meeting up with someone they did not approve of? I don’t think most people would agree to get studious the day after seeing their favorite band. I think there is something more important to this prearranged study session.
1731 Observer Regarding the necklace. I know observer that is my point I think exact descriptions of clothing, jewelry would help to eliminiate the wrong witnessess. Were her boots short, knee high, over the knee. Were they flat or with heels? Was her shirt off the shoulder? Just how long was her hair? Was she wearing earrings? Did she have a jacket? Were they black tights or black fish nets? How many rings did she have on? How was she wearing her hair? How many people noticed the necklace? Did she take her tights off? If she fell she could have broke the necklace and took it off. Who knows? Any number of these things put together to comfirm it was Morgan for sure.
Radiogirl, those were not my words, I was quoting a Facebook poster who also happens to be on my ‘short list’.
His post jumped out at me as he claimed to be Law Enforcement. I had not seen him make that assertion previously.
Sorry, I did not proof read very well before posting. I meant to say….
Morgan contacting someone “secretly” and meeting him “secretly” just does not fit with the pattern of girls who are very close to one another.