Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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good evening all: been away helping with homework and exam prep!
first, i would like to thank observer. i did reread posts and realize that i did ask a question that had already been asked and answered by you. i was frustrated and wanted another search to come along. which this brings me to my next question…if you have a trajectory of Morgan’s path that night…would LE not listen to reason? even coming from you. you sound to me, a total layperson, that you kinda know what your talking about. blink too! could we search that area. no matter how small!!!
also, here in “the burg”, i have put Morgan’s picture up everywhere i can. i also put it in every correspondence of mine that goes out. i also make the hubby do it too. he’s also in medical field and can reach a great deal of people. we are not native virginia’s. transplants! so our circle is a wide one!
also, lack of any information has made me extremely nervous about summer camp at UVA. just cannot quite commit. even though i know the world is full of BG’s. i just do not want my child to be where terror could strike because some nut job is running around or lurking, unchecked. yes, i repeat, i know they are everywhere.
my son’s boyscout troop are doing a hike this weekend and i have had to explain to him what he should do if he comes upon anything. i will not be with him.
hopefully finds nothing and hopefully finds something. how sad and upsetting is that?
although this is sad…i cannot help but think of Morgan’s parents and what they are going through. i told my son that this is every parents worst nightmare and that he should just go out into the world bravely and boldly and know that there are alot more GG’s than BG’s!! he gets it and said that maybe he can help Morgan! this is a kid! (made me cry).
blink, thanks for all the insight available. it truly helps those people out there like me. i am sorry but i am out of ideas, theories and guesses. i am almost to the point of saying…”hey, bad guy, here is my phone number and a wad of cash…just lead me to her and get outta my effing sight!” i do apologize for that.
i just want some closure for Morgan and her family!!!
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As often, I am back to “6 months” ago. This time in regard to the pastor cited in one place as living with the Harringtons. One possibility that I had considered was that the 6 months was more about the family than about Morgan. For example, I considered the possibility that Gil was ill, and Morgan was making an effort to come home more often, lived there in the summer to help, etc. Then maybe the pastor moved in when Morgan’s classes started up again. I didn’t post the speculation before because I didn’t really think it was relevant.
I also considered the skeleton remark in that context. I could hear Morgan saying “momma, you’ve got to eat, you’re turning into a skeleton.”
Of course, there are many other explanations for the pastor being with them. Just moving in for support instantly when Morgan vanished. Having her home remodeled or painted. Mortgage problems. etc.
I doubt the pastor is relevant to Morgan’s disappearance.
I agree totally.
B
in response to (me)mouse ( from December 7, 2009 @ 7:25 pm):
“Observer,
IF, and I stress IF, Morgan was the victim of someone she met on line (I suggest a stalker who saw her online-photo – - not an innocent “blind date” arrangement), or of a stranger abduction, then IMO, LE has an Obligation, with a capital O, to make the community aware. If this is not an individual unique to Morgan in some personal respect, then how does LE justify the community believing this is an isolated event.”
I completely agree. My senior in high school daughter is sending out college applications. She has looked at VT and UVA. Both schools have what she is looking for and we have extended family in Virginia. To be honest, those applications haven’t been sent. With the mass shooting, the release of adminstrator’s response just made public, the 2 kids killed this summer and now this, well I am very apprehensive; oh and lets not forget that the Fort Hood military killer was a VT graduate. They need to say more as I am sure there are plenty other families out there right now starting to weigh their college options. Sometimes silence is not Golden. Sometimes it costs a heck of a lot of money.
They need to do something. I don’t follow the psychic board, but I gotta say, these campuses have bad auras right now.
Because I believe this individual may have knowledge of investigations, forensics or criminal justice in some respect, etc.,
including now the further belief he may have knowledge or experience of the surrounding terrains and roads plus any necessary survival skills, and also my own speculation as to why no description of a vehicle Morgan was in when LE believe “she exited Cville”)(other than LE knows who was driving the vehicle, so no need to put out out there) – - because it might either be marked in some way with identification or a vehicle so visibly unique unto itself), I submit these into the discussions of speculation:
- an individual with responsibilities or knowledge of similar to those within the environment of a national park or forest such as a park ranger, search and rescue, camping/trail/recreation guide, and so on
- an individual well travelled and most familiar with the routes and highways common to Morgan and her “circle”, and with a vehicle to accommodate frequent, highway distance travel such as a 4-wheel drive or perhaps an RV of sorts
Regardless of the individuals’ specific background or knowledge,
I believe this individual is not a stranger to either Morgan or many of those within her circle. There is a connection, common ground, history,
otherwise there should have been a community awareness or alert by LE regarding a stranger or predator.
Moonchime’s story about the woman in Las Vegas who hitchhiked up the mountain so she could go snowboarding struck a chord with me. The woman had been told she could not proceed along the road in her car without chains on her tires.
In the snowboarder’s case the hitchhiking was an act of Determination. I wonder if in Morgan’s case she was feeling a similar determination — a determination to get somewhere “through hell or high water”.
That “somewhere” must have had a very strong draw. Possibly strong enough to make her feel so determined that normal precautions (like the danger of hitchhiking) were set aside. I keep going back in my mind to the path she took through the parking lot — it seems like a purposeful path, almost a straight-shot southwest and away from the arena.
Can anyone help me find a link? Somewhere, weeks ago, I read a more detailed description of Morgan’s outfit selection. My first impression from that account was that it had happened during a visit earlier in the week, which was contradicted by later accounts. But that account also mentioned something about that she had left with telling him goodbye–she and her mother had been upstairs and he was downstairs in the study, and she didn’t want to interrupt him. Thus the call to him later.
Anyway, I’m just looking for that account. Something I can’t quite get a grip on is nagging at the back of my mind, but my recall is rusty. TIA for help.
A continuation of my thought…
The thumbnail picture of Morgan that the administrator uses on the FindMorgan site (long-sleeved red shirt, walking purposefully) matches exactly how I view Morgan’s spirit and character to be.
FWIW: Stagehand attire is typically required to be dark, preferably black.
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but most emphasis on clothing seemed to be on security.
hmmmmm…just saw the post below on findmorgan.com forum from this evening….sounds like this person is mad at B and is somehow (or maybe just wishes to be) associated with UVA (note the name)…could it be our long lost (now absent) friend has moved to another site….gettin too hot over here is it? ….anyone else note that the tone is eerily similar?
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I’m glad that you are willing to invest a lot of time to help find Morgan, but why do you think those areas “need” to be searched? Because Blink on Crime made up some garbage about Morgan having an ex-boyfriend who lives there? None of us know whose car Morgan got into and which direction they went. It would be a serious wild goose chase for people to go searching in random parts of Virginia because someone thinks (but really has no clue) that an ex-boyfriend is involved in this.
Lol. Yep. Codename: TASER.
B
[A newbie's question for B: After posting a comment this evening at 6:31, I cannot seem to get the site to update or refresh; the same thing happened last night. Never a problem before that-- but I wasn't commenting then. Even if I exit, and then call up a fresh blinkoncrime URL, the latest post listed on my screen is either mine from 6:31 (numbered 1734, to me, whatever else it may be for others) or #1733, which was posted by Counselor4u at 5:22. You have my email address; can you advise, what am I doing wrong? how have I offended? is this a common problem? Thank you, Blink.
JD:
was awaiting moderation, has been posted.
B
[Charging right ahead blindly-- Blink, you'll understand, I hope, from the message I just sent you. . . ]
Re: #1654 from Judi:
Judi, your thought had been rattling around with me for some time. Morgan’s brother graduated from UVa in May ’08, and it’s been established that she had seen earlier concerts in C’ville—and probably on occasion just visited her big brother. Opportunity for someone in his circle of acquaintance to meet her and become smitten. But I couldn’t quite see a murderous consequence from this, nor an abduction that Morgan would have gone along with for, what, nearly 2 months now, while parents and brother are beside themselves.
Still, the thought wouldn’t altogether leave me, and recently I happened on a TCM showing of the 1965 film “Bunny Lake is Missing.” It sure got me rethinking some stuff re: Morgan. [If you haven’t seen this film, save it for a stifling summer day when you could use a chill; maybe read the Wikipedia entry for it—WARNING, though: it gives away the basic plot!!] Remember Keir Dullea as the wigged-out astronaut in “2001: a Space Odyssey”? Here, he’s the jilted-brother. . . I’ll stop there, except to say that dude has flat affect and stony coldness DOWN PAT!]
Anyway, “Bunny Lake” explores the idea that desperate actions may result when someone comes between people bound up in an obsessive relationship. I think most of us might imagine Morgan as the object of another’s obsessions; many posts speculating on an ”XBFBG” have come close to saying this. But obsession can work more than one way, so isn’t it conceivable that, if there was an ex-BF–someone Morgan’s parents saw as dangerous and tried to keep her from–after several months apart from him, and perhaps hearing that he had a new GF he’d be taking to see Metallica, Morgan had her own little obsession to SHOW him (and “that girl”)? Hence the carefully chosen, uber-Metal outfit for the concert, and a probably pre-arranged meet-up. We don’t know, of course, that such a meeting happened. If it did, the new girlfriend might have had her own obsessions about making sure that Morgan was history. Or maybe, at the last minute, the XBF tells Morgan that she’s pissed off, and won’t go, but no way he’s gonna miss Metallica. . .and, damn, now he’s got an extra floor pass that’s just gonna go to waste—unless she meets him outside; just her, not her posse. {Alternatively—and let’s face it, many potential alternatives could branch off from this one hypothesis—he tells Morgan, “Know what: f*** yrself at that concert; I don’t need you anymore!” But when she starts taking pictures of the crowd [with her missing camera], there he is in the picture, alone and knowing right where to stalk her. And in fright or haste to get away, she falls and hurts herself; security finds her in the Ladies,’ cut, crying, a bit sloshed perhaps, and possibly babbling something incoherent; and the next thing, she’s outside, denied reentry.)
One last point here, partly in response to J2K’s #1687—and nodding to B’s response there: by several accounts, once she was outside of the arena, Morgan seemed to have sought out (and to have acted less agitated) in the company of others, especially GROUPS of others. Maybe she just wanted a ride, or to borrow another cell phone; but maybe she recognized the guy she’d expected to meet was in fact crazy dangerous.
going on observer’s comment ,maybe perp pulled into hotel parking lot and suggests getting a room with him ,she rejects the idea , he tries to talk her into it ,hence the report of suspisious car and/or occupants in parking lot,he then has to resort to: different means different locale.was the report discounted?
Today what has been bothering me ,two things. One Morgan allegedly falling, cutting face, bleeding seen crying in the bathroom, all INSIDE the concert. This does not quite gel with the portrait of Morgan, a woman with a premeditated plan to meet new love interest from internet, or ex BF outside the arena, because before she even stepped outside, she seemed to have undergone a series of mishaps, visibly impaired in some way, separated from the pack so to speak, vulnerable, upset , alone already before exiting.What was happening to Morgan inside the venue?
I would think unless she was under the effect of something that really impaired her judgement and her balance etc, Morgan would have wanted to be on her best form to meet this person, and not sloppy
or out of it. Unless she was already fighting with someone and went outside to meet them. If she was escorted out how come no one is talking. If someone came out with her, where were they when she was allegedly sighted alone on numerous occasions.Something upsetting was happening inside the concert
before she even made it outside.
SKYLER:Your post #1632 about the olive skinned man close to Morgans’ age, possibly a drug dealer with a new girlfriend on tow, struck a nerve with me. Your scenario is so vivid is there any way can you tell us how you arrived at it. I am grateful LE is monitoring this site.
MOMOF3: Your are welcome, music and concerts are Hummingbirds natural abode. I am sad and mad this beautiful young girl disappeared seemingly out of the blue from a rock venue, and for the apparent lack of security or film footage.I agree the lack of any concrete information and/or statements from friends /basketball players is mistifying and deeply frustrating.
Dear Blink thank you for tirelessly staying hot on the trail. We are all encouraged and inspired by your energy, sense of humor, smarts and heart.
Please let someone come forward and speak the truth on Morgans behalf. Let her family find some peace , let her be found and let this case be put to rest. Amen.
Spot on, Mandy (!644)! I’m 23, and no one ever wears the bands shirt that you’re going to see, it’s just an unspoken rule. Pantera is similar to Metallica, taste wise, and I definitely agree with the “show off your good taste twice” idea–i’ve even thought that myself. I don’t think her shirt had any specific meaning. The necklace however, doesn’t seem to make much sense at all to wear to a metal show, and wouldn’t really, IMO look right with that outfit. Odd.
Respectfully…Unable to keep from running over someone and killing them with your car is an accident.
A beautiful young girl killed by someones hand ,enraged or otherwise is homicide.
Blink-
Had friends in for the weekend and have not been able to keep up as much as I like.
Not that things are back in order I have sat for a while and tried to catch up.
Unfortunately, it appears that after 7 weeks we are not making progress. In fact having stepped away, no disrespect intended but it seems as though the same theories are just being pasted around between
the regulars. At one point I had to recheck the number I was on because I thought I had some how scrolled up about thousand posts.
Here’s to all here who are holding out hope and trying not to get discouraged.
Blink,
Please explain what is implied when a different LE dept enters into or takes over the investigation.
Posted on another website.
“My friend told me that different LE had been to visit her and her friends. She said it might be getting handled by a different department now.”
Sorry Couselor- I don’t have enough information in your comment to answer your question accurately. Wood need specifics.
B
Re: Comment by Mandy — December 8, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
Mandy brings up something that has been mentioned before and adds to it– the story of M. studying in the car on the way to the concert and then making a date to study with her dad at noon the following day.
I wanted to share that I currently read in the car– especially if it is a longer ride– 45 minutes to an hour. I’m talking about reading for homework, not pleasure. If these friends are big partiers, then M. might not have studied on her way to the concert. But if she had an upcoming test (which I assume since she was also going to study with her dad) then she may have just been a responsible student who also didnt want to miss out on the fun parts of being in college/ being young. In my eyes, studying in the car is sort of like a comprimise for not cramming that whole weekend. Maybe hse wasn’t as prepared as she’d like to be for the test but didn’t want to cancel going to the concert all together. Just a thought.
Also, about meeting up with her dad… It doesn’t strike me as totally odd that she might plan on studying with her dad at noon the next day. Following up on the idea that she may have had an important test, perhaps she needed to do a bit of studying for it. Again, when I was in college I would go to a party, stay out until 5 am and then set my alarm for 10am to wake up and do homework all day. Insane. But depending on the type of person M. was, schoolwork may have been very important to her as well as socializing and doing fun/special things.
I don’t know if anyone buys into those ideas, but I thought I’d offer my insight. I’ve only been out of college– undergrad– a few years now. I also picked up on the t-shirt choice but that has been addressed many times already. My point is that I want to provide insight from the point of view of a woman who is close to M. in age, education, etc.
I also wanted to ask why we assume that the BG has knowledge of forensics or whatever simply bc the battery to the cell phone is missing? My point being that anyone who watches one episode of CSI or any number of crime shows should know that.
Finally (my boyfriend is mad and demanding lights out!) I agree that prepaid cell phones can be used by lower income people. I just wanted to bring that to the surface again. We don’t know if a prepaid phone was actually used in this event…but we can think about it. Lower income people, yes. Poor people. But I also want to say that I know people who use these phones. One is a female college student who tries very hard to “pay her way” and not ask for money/support from her parents. The second is a foreign exchange student who needed a cell phone while he is here. Both are college educated (one in graduate school and one in med. school). Basically, because of circumstance they have these phones. The notion of a person for whom money was tight because he is a student rang true with me to a certain extent.
Sometimes details are important. Re: Lisa’s post #1647, where she gave us a link to a Roanoke TV news spot from early in the investigation– it was still news to me; thanks Lisa– the text mentions a Sunday “morning” call to the Harrington’s about the discovered purse.
Our old friend On Belief specified the call was made at 8:30. Not exactly what the TV anchor was sayin’, if you know what I’m sayin’. What was that relative of his at UVa PD?
At the end of that news spot people with tips were directed to call a single number. . . at UVa’s Police Dept.
Just Desserts, you’re a force to reckon with! First, I don’t think the Morgan’s brother’s friends would be interested in her, except as a fun chick to shop with! The thought of someone else who would have ‘floor passes’ doesn’t sound like the ineffective, low-esteem perp who would abduct and kill this young girl.
Yes, rage passes through all stratas but if this was a knownsub, that whole scenario wouldn’t have taken place, imho.
AtotheK, I’ve felt that too. How can MH be at three sites at the same time. I know they are close together and we’re not on Greenwich Mean Time here, but still there is a discrepancy.
Lizzy, I don’t think Morgan’s outfit was all that over-the-top. It fit in with most of the concert crowd.
I don’t think she really had to run it by her mom for an opinion, but was enjoying a little attention.
Like it was stuff she would have to try on, anyway.
~~~And just a personal aside: I’m wondering if Morgan could have done a blonde thing and caught her purse strap on something inside the arena? It doesn’t take too much to make a tear sometimes (a waiter brushed my bag on a bar chair once and broke the strap!)
errggg…I had more to comment on, but I’m too tired to sleep, so I’ll sleep in your arms again.
Good. night.
WG
A couple of things:
re: #1656, where acho asks clarification about “Midway.” Two quite separate entities by that name lie a dozen or so miles west of Charlottesville: 1. an estate once famed for the beauty of the five Langhorne daughters who lived there. One, Nancy, later married Lord Astor and became the first woman member of Britain’s Houses of Parliament; another, Irene, married the illustrator Charles Dana Gibson, whose “Gibson Girl” drawings (modeled on the Langhorne sisters)set a widely imitated “look” for American women’s dress, hairstyles and makeup for more than a decade, 1890s-ca.1905. 2. a small, dispersed community south of Crozet and Rt. 250, on the Miller School Rd., which Questioner seems keen to have searched. Just why there in particular isn’t so clear.
re: #1652, I say “danke, Bernd!” The heck with a language barrier; you ask good questions, IMO. Don’t hold your breath, though, waiting for answers.
re: #1663, SuzeeB’s comment about the difference between Morgan leaving JPJ Arena by her own choice, or being expelled by security: my take is that Blink’s response here makes a telling point; RMC Security, when asked, did not swear on a stack of Bibles that they hadn’t put Morgan out–they commented, “no comment.” Subtext (uttered out one side of the mouth): “Get Legal cracking on this, pronto!!”
Comment by lizzy — December 8, 2009 @ 7:40 pm
Of course, there are many other explanations for the pastor being with them. Just moving in for support instantly when Morgan vanished. Having her home remodeled or painted. Mortgage problems. etc.
I doubt the pastor is relevant to Morgan’s disappearance.
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Lizzy,
I don’t think the pastor is relevant to Morgan’s disappearance either. Although, if she in fact moved in around the mysterious 6 month time frame, then it makes me curious just how serious whatever was going on with Morgan six months ago was. People often turn to pastors or “people of God” when they feel hopeless.
Mandy, that “she was studying in the back seat” thing is ludicrous, right?—-not that it couldn’t be true, it just sounds unlikely. I figure it went like this:
reporter or LE or family: “What was morgan doing on the way to the show?”
friend: (oh no, gotta think quick, what’s the opposite of partying?) “She was studying!”
When you have a nice long drive to a concert, isn’t there usually drinking, hollering and whooping at other concertgoers in their cars, mooning people, doing chinese fire drills at stop lights, hanging out the windows flirting and laughing and honking? And of course this behavior accelerates when you get closer to the venue. Well, that’s kind of what i recall, but perhaps we were complete numbskulls while morgan and friends are more staid and sophisticated.
Comment by AtotheK — December 8, 2009 @ 5:58 pm
Looking back at all the “facts”
I noticed this…
1. The reports and timeline here http://www.nbc29.com/Global/link.asp?L=414506
says she was last seen at 9:30 on Copeley
2. The Granny sighting here http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374052 says she thought she spotted Morgan at 9:30 as well.
3. Her phones battery removed at 9:30 as well.
All three couldn’t have happened.
Which one to believe?
**Update– I meant all 3 couldn’t have happened *simulataneously*.
So here are some things to look at from the above.
1. Bridge sighting
1A. Either the sighting of Morgan on the bridge was not Morgan.
1B. The sighting on the bridge was indeed Morgan (and the BB players witness accounts almost prove she was)
2. Granny sighting
2A. The granny sighting was not Morgan. (if 9:30 was the real time granny spotted her then, if she was on Copeley then almost proves this was not her)
2B. The granny sighting was Morgan…then this disproves the sighting on the bridge!
3. Per Blink the battery was “REMOVED” at 9:30.
3A. If either sighting of Morgan are true then the battery was not removed by Morgan.
3B. If Morgan did indeed remove her own battery then this disproves the other 2 sightings.
Based on these, I have to believe the granny sighting was NOT Morgan and believe the bb players that she WAS on the bridge and someone else removed her battery.
Good morning….this is just a note about Carson’s (1751) comment. My daughter was a Senior there during the VT massacre. I saved every one of our back and forth emails of that day, which included updates of the number of casualties, etc….while she was “hiding out” in her sorority house on Oak Lane. Her fear and my fear — indescribable. She lived this, and was very close to one of the boys killed. She chose to stay there instead of come home afterwards – and be a friend to those that needed to talk. She asked me NOT to come and see her…that they needed this “time”. During both graduation ceremonies, there wasn’t a dry eye in the stadium or during the separate English department graduation (the shooter was an English major also). This horrible event just made them closer and stronger. Applications for enrollment were as strong as ever for the next year(my daughter worked in Student Affairs). My son had a 3.9 GPA, captain of this and that, and….was waitlisted and eventually turned down for admittance the next year. Shocked? Not really – that typical of kids trying to get into VT. He was accepted with scholarships at his other three choices. Yes, that day was horrible, and plays over and over in my mind all the time. Things can happen no matter where you are in this world, and the solidarity at VT can’t be duplicated (as far as we’re concerned). VT gave her the opportunity for a fully paid grad school assistantship in Student Affairs at another well known university out of state. In her words, nothing will compare to VT. The Fort Hill shooter — VT has a large ROTC program, so that is a logical choice in Virginia. My son attends a large school in Virginia. His freshman year, someone came in his dorm room at 2 am and put a gun to his head and took his wallet, car keys, etc. It was the day after Christmas break. I never drove so fast in my life to go see him. They came in through the sliding window on the first floor. I went back and forth with the campus police in emails, phone conversations, etc., and NEVER was able to get a copy of the police report. It showed up on their “blotter” for a couple of weeks, and then magically disappeared. The building was rekeyed, with a note on the door to go to a certain area to get a new key (to the new freshman and parents moving their kids in for the spring semester). There was no warning to anyone….nothing. Needless to say, my contact with them became less and less. I re-keyed and re-alarmed his car for fear that would be stolen. I bought locks for the sliding windows. In other words, it was swept under the rug. I’ve saved all of those emails, also. To this day – no police report. I was told my insurance company would have to request it (?)….and they did — but there was no claim filed. He still goes there, lives off campus, and doesn’t think about this anymore…but he sure does lock up now no matter where he is.
I apologize if I’m rambling. This sort of craziness can happen anywhere – no matter where you are. I fly my VT flag proudly – along with their two other schools. Please don’t deny your child a chance at the opportunity. Thank you for listening….Hokie Mom
**Sorry, update from my own comment #0764. I just saw it as I was re-reading it.
I was assuming her purse was already left at the RV lot when the battery was removed, but may think she still had her purse at her last sighting.
Both the last sighting of Morgan and her battery happened at 9:30.
Therefore, I have reason to believe she may have removed her own battery when she got into someones car (the perp went back to drop purse at the RV lot)
OR
the perp removed her battery when she got into his car and went back to drop purse at RV lot.
But if she accidently lost her purse someone may have rummaged thru and taken the battery and any cash..etc.
I am sure this has been touched on already and sorry if it has.
Re: MH’s purse.
Yes, if she were impaired, she may have dropped it and either not realized it, or realized it and wandered around trying to find it. But now I’m thinking BG held a weapon on her and said, ‘Drop your purse,” effectively leaving her severed from her ID and any help (cash, ATM/credit cards). He probably didn’t even know what was in her purse. This would leave only her prints on it, not his, so if he had meant to toss it after his endgame, no trace of him would have been on it. Left in the lot, it was one less piece of her to deal with.
He made her get rid of it right away to make it the center of MH’s last known location in the universe, stretching out in infinite possible directions. His plan may have included taking her to a remote location, and then removing and all non-biodegradable materials on her person (clothing, jewelry, boots, making it easier for rapid decomp (sorry). He could have done that either before or after her demise.
Years ago I was a flight attendant. During emergency evacuation training I heard about women passengers in “time to prepare” crashes who were often found, dead but still clutching their purses, after the airplane had landed/crashed. The point is, even in extremely stressful circumstances, a woman holds on to her bag–it’s an extension of herself. I think BG forced her to drop it.
Later, her clothes could be scattered or thrown out; any bracelets, rings, etc. could be pawned/sold/given away. I don’t see LE sending out official snaps of each of her silver rings (she seemed to be a silver girl, based on her FB photos).
Some other random thoughts:
1. I wonder if BG is a true crime fan? Seems younger BGs use what they see on TV/in movies.
2. Ugh–just remembered seeing DW claiming that his favorite colors were black and silver. That’s how I picture MH.
3. Could MH have owed someone a lot of money, hence the empty account and plan to meet up with her father to “balance her checkbook”
(= explain where all the money we gave you has gone)?
B, all of this is for your eyes only, please don’t post any of it.
You said:
Justice-
Were Police called? I better see a BOLO. Traumatic, glad she is ok.
B
Yes, LE was called, and a whole army of them responded. 6 deputy cars, (1 with a dog) & 2 investigators. There has been no BOLO yet, only 1 person questioned that we know of so far. Don’t know the outcome cept he wasn’t arrested. Nothing in the paper/print yet either.
She lives at the end of a private dirt road. All who live on her road are family. At each of the 6 homes there, at least 1 person was at home in each house when this happened. Nobody saw a vehicle, anybody walking, nothing. Her house being at the end, is surrounded by woods, and not visible to any of the other homes. Had the BG wanted to attack, nobody would have heard/seen anything
I have to admit, I cannot keep up with Morgan’s case. To much been going on at home in the past few weeks. I have so many friends whose children are in the same area as Morgan & friends, I’m so afraid for all of them, as none seem to be “that” bothered by her disappearance, but aren’t talking either, and that really bothers me. But right now, my biggest concern is my son’s gf, who is in Roanoke. She goes to Jefferson College of Health Science, where Dr. Harrington is on the board. Carilion essentially runs the school, if you go to school there and do work study, you work for Carilion. (this is where my daughter attended also)
You’re friends with one of my good friends, Shadow/Angela. She can attest to who I am and that nothing you say to me would go any further. B, can you at least give me one little crumb on your suspected BG, like do you think he works for/has any association with Carilion? Just a yes or no, PLEASE… I simply don’t have the time to keep up with you guys, right now anyway
TIA! (and GREAT job covering this case. bye bye WS, and hello Blink on Crime
)
Hummingbird, it really bugs me too that we do not know what happened inside the arena or why she left or how she got injured.
Morgan and friends left (wherever) at (x time).
They stopped (at x to do y) or did not stop anywhere on the way to the show.
Morgan and friends arrived at JPJ at (x) time.
They parked (x car, or x and y cars) in (x) lot.
They entered the arena thru (x) gate.
They went straight to (the bathroom, the food vendors, the drink vendors, the t shirt vendors, their seats, the floor, walk around the entire concourse to scope it out).
They ran into friends (inside the arena, outside the arena, both, neither).
Once they were there, they called or texted friends they were expecting to meet at the arena, or they didn’t call or text those folks.
Before and/or during the concert, Morgan ate (x) or drank (y).
Morgan visited/did not visit the smoking sections at section 301 and/or 315.
While in JPJ, Morgan’s mood was (x).
When the first band played, Morgan (watched from x location, or went to y places to do z).
When the second band played, Morgan watched from x location, or went to y places to do z).
Morgan got her injury at (x time) by (having y happen).
Morgan left thru (x) exit at (y) time for (z) reason.
That’s just a short list. There are just so many things I’d love to know about what went on at and on the way to the concert.
Hey, I did find this on the JPJ official site: “Guests who use offensive or abusive language, behave in an unruly manner, or appear to be intoxicated are subject to removal.”
Word Girl wrote, “Lizzy, I don’t think Morgan’s outfit was all that over-the-top. It fit in with most of the concert crowd. I don’t think she really had to run it by her mom for an opinion, but was enjoying a little attention. Like it was stuff she would have to try on, anyway.”
I never thought her outfit sounded “over the top” AT ALL–I’ve spent most of the last 30 years on or near large college campuses, and trust me, it sounds tame–less conservative outfits come to class. Not sure where Word Girl got that impression from me? I just have “other” questions about that day/week, and most accounts have that as her last time at home.
Two things – first off, Gil’s latest post where she talks of LE coming to take DNA swabs is heart-breaking. Somehow, someway, something has to give. This family is in a tremendous amount of pain. Secondly, someone posted in the findmorgan.com site that THE CASE HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TOI A DIFFERENT LE/DEPT – can this be verified? And, if so, what dept?
Justice, I need an address, if there is a link, I will email you a possibility.
B
Judi, can you or anyone explain why they need a swab from the parents?
Is this protocol when there is a need to identify a body?
http://findmorgan.com/category/family-blog
Sue, it is standard protocol to insure they have an accurate DNA profile for Morgan to be submitted into CODIS, NCIC, and NAMUS. I am assuming they will match that against anything containing Morgan’s DNA currently like her toothebrush, etc.
B
Is everyone here under the assumption that the on campus sighting in the early morning hours of the 18th by the newspaper delivery woman was not Morgan? Did Dee S ever make a statement whether it was or was not her? The witness seemed very convinced it was Morgan, and that would be a critical bit of info if it was.
I do not believe it was Morgan.
B
“Comment by AtotheK — December 8, 2009 @ 5:58 pm
Looking back at all the “facts”
I noticed this…
1. The reports and timeline here http://www.nbc29.com/Global/link.asp?L=414506
says she was last seen at 9:30 on Copeley
2. The Granny sighting here http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374052 says she thought she spotted Morgan at 9:30 as well.
3. Her phones battery removed at 9:30 as well.
All three couldn’t have happened.
Which one to believe?
**Update– I meant all 3 couldn’t have happened *simulataneously*.
So here are some things to look at from the above.
1. Bridge sighting
1A. Either the sighting of Morgan on the bridge was not Morgan.
1B. The sighting on the bridge was indeed Morgan (and the BB players witness accounts almost prove she was)
2. Granny sighting
2A. The granny sighting was not Morgan. (if 9:30 was the real time granny spotted her then, if she was on Copeley then almost proves this was not her)
2B. The granny sighting was Morgan…then this disproves the sighting on the bridge!
3. Per Blink the battery was “REMOVED” at 9:30.
3A. If either sighting of Morgan are true then the battery was not removed by Morgan.
3B. If Morgan did indeed remove her own battery then this disproves the other 2 sightings.
Based on these, I have to believe the granny sighting was NOT Morgan and believe the bb players that she WAS on the bridge and someone else removed her battery.”
OR all three things could have happened at 9:26, 9:28 and 9:30, with all of the locations being within close proximity. I am sure it is difficult for a witness to identify the exact minute after the fact, but may venture a guess of “right around 9:30″.
1747-Sue,Thank you Sue.I wish that we did know positively dear Morgan met with someone she knew outside.Heaven knows this case lacks the facts (given to the public)that would ordinarily be so easy to answer.
Here is another question.IIRC didn’t the lead detective say they still were not convinced Morgan met with foul play?
If that were truly the thinking,and if it still is,wouldn’t that suggest Morgan left with someone she knew?
BLINK – I REALLY want to commend you. The only way to find missing persons is to keep the case active and by keeping people involved. Take Jaycee – she was held captive for all those years, customer’s of the jerk’s business has face to face contact with her and had no idea because her case and her face fell off the radar. There is a very HIGH risk of this case “falling off the radar” with the lack of info from LE, no press conferences, etc. But, that risk is countered by you. You, Blink, keep people involved, keep the case active, and the value of that is immeasureable. You are a victim’s best friend and May God Bless You for the good that you do.
Ty, but without the team and readers, I would be a party of one. Thanks to All.
B
ihave read all the posts of the last weeks,maybe i missed or forgot it,
but can somebody pls answer may questions ?
was m. kicked out ?
by whom and why
left she volontary
was she told she cold`nt get in again
by whom
why did she try to find a ride home
(because that would take longer as waiting for the end of concert)
do we know why her bank account was out of balance
actually i do not believe taht m.had to wait 6 month to meet somebody,she was not in jail,there were a öot of opportuneties to meet this person earlier.remember what we told our parents when we were young,sleepover etc.
can someone share his thougts about the battery ?
if i take the battery out so it doesn`t ping that would only make sense when i`ll take the mobile with me.but to leave it there,why take the battery out ?
so it seems that the missing battery is obvisly not connected with the events in the parking lot.
Again, all for your eyes only:
B, I can’t give you an exact address yet. From her, this is a private dirt road, as in mostly just a long dirt drive-way, off of another long dirt driveway. All their mail is delivered to PO boxes. It’s in between Tinker Mountain & Brushy Mountain but since I’ve not been there, I dunno. I know she said she had to drive to the end of her dirt road, turn onto the other dirt road and meet LE when she called 911. They couldn’t find it, WTF? I will speak with her later and see if we can pinpoint it more than that. I know I’ve been trying to find it on google & bing maps, and it just isn’t showing up, grrrrrr. But it has to be there, right ??? If I’m not able to pull up a map, I’m going to drive out there over the weekend. It’s time I saw where my son is hanging out anyway. These young people don’t even pay attention to what their road numbers are??? I “get” no road name, and I get from state road ???, “turn down beside the 2 story while farm house” (you’d have to live here) but no road number? No, I don’t get that…Sorry, I should have waited until I had all the info…I’m not usually so scatter brained with this kind of stuff, but when it hits this close to home, it’s overwhelming….Think I’ll go back to only lurking now
#1711 Rae
The person who posted the comment could be a good source of information. Apparently same section. Coincidentally the scenarios are somewhat similar. Though not clear if this person was kicked out entirely or just out of the floor section. This person did not mention being outside. If this person was kicked out of the venue for attempting to get a better seat could explain why Morgan was outside. In return giving us a little more insight.
Do we have a link?
B
To CG,
Regarding your post, thank you for you thoughts. I am not really good sometimes at saying what I really mean, in writing. It wasn’t just a VT apprehension. It is a Virginia (state and campus) police apprehension. Lots of dead bodies and missing people around the campuses and no updates or alerts issued. I am not totally naive, as I have a sophomore in college and know how the crime stats are played with. But your follow up story only solidified my apprehension. Your son was held up at gun point at a VA college and you got basically nothing from LE. I have a lot of experience with LE as 1 brother and 1 inlaw are POs. In the words of Officer Rick, “That’s not good”
Where my oldest daughter goes to school, they send out alerts for everything. They even called here a month ago, with an alert about a possible gas leak in an admin building. And called with update about the situation. (recorded message, obviously)
I understand your pride in VT. I hope you can understand that to an outsider all of these situations add up to a big alert. I did read The Gift of Fear; my gut says, VA needs to work on their LE capabilites. They have been staunchly critized in the main stream press for their handling or lack there of public alerts issued during the massacre. What have they learned. I would like to know, definitively, if the public needs to be concerned about any sort of serial criminal? Are the crimes related? Are they personal to the victims? Is it stranger crime? As a citizen, I think I have the right to know if my child could be in danger. Once again, silence.
And if they have no clue as to what happened in the murders and MH missing, well that is frightful on its own.
Re: Morgan supposedly doing homework in the car…I think this could actually be the truth. She was scheduled to balance checkbook and be tutored by Dad the next day. She may not have had tutoring assignments done and knew he would be upset with her. Just a thought.
One more thought about the phone battery…I think it’s possible someone simply took the battery b/c it would work in their phone.
Blink-1660,HA! That was excellent!
The Harringtons have come to a bridge in Charlottesville because it is the last place Morgan was seen before her disappearance. They say to be in this place to breath the air Morgan breathed allows them to be close to her in some way.
“I know dogs smelling on this bridge can smell her so there is something of her here. There is nothing of her in our home,” shared Gil Harrington.
http://tinyurl.com/yjyx8mf
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9576645&op=4&o=global&view=global&subj=162224546575&id=505480153
ok sorry to say this, but she looks so totally sick and out of place in this photo. . .she definitely had something going on. ..that, coupled with the over-surveillance by parents, overdrawn bank account (of girl whose family is NOT struggling), I need help with my homework, transfer from high school in Senior year (WHO does THAT??) SHE WAS DEF STRUGGLING with something. Notice there are no NEW FRIENDS from the high school to which she transferred. . .once someone is into a “scene” that people don’t approve of, first thing friends do is try to help. If the “struggling” person refuses, sooner or later, friends eventually write them off because it is just too frustrating to deal with. Parents deny “this doesnt happen to us”, “she would never do that” “this is someone else’s fault” blah, blah & try to deal with it quietly.
Also–I have it on good info that MH was told “not to get drunk at that party”. I dont know if the party was before the concert, or maybe one to which she went after leaving the arena. . .If that is true perhaps scenario was this: MH “I cant get back in, I’m going to get a ride to X LOCATION for the party” SS: “Ok well then dont get drunk, etc” MH “yeah, WTF ever, dont worry about it” After concert, no Morgan, so SS & Company are like “I told her not to. . . .we can’t wait on her forever” EXIT SS & Company. Meanwhile, MH partied it up at X LOCATION, she OD’s, partiers freak and she is left in some unknown location.
If you notice the language of mom about the outfit: “she was covered” before concert, her mom’s constant referral to her as “our baby”, etc. they were not ready for Morgan to grow up. Morgan seems to have broken out of the shelter, and, unfortunately, most likely to her detriment. There may be a BG, but there was DEF a BGIRL too, IMHO.
(Comment #1173# Comment by AtotheK — December 9, 2009 @ 9:23 am
“All three couldn’t have happened.
Which one to believe?”)
Perhaps, these are estimates given within a time frame that is based upon the known time of the battery removal per phone company.
My guess is the BB players did not look at their watch, if ever wearing one after practice, while talking to Morgan.
The grandmother probably did look at her watch, either, when confronting the arguing couple. She may have been waiting with her radio on, while waiting on her grandson, and during that time, the DJ announced the time.
Both of these witnesses would be giving an approximation of the time within a 10 – 15- 20 minute time frame.
Only the phone going dead would be a definite time; therefore, they could all be somewhat accurate/significant.
First I would like to say, I love this site but I am getting discouraged with this case. I know there are many people that are the main posters and they are great but really we have nothing new. I really do not think at this point that LE has a POI. I could be wrong, but I really think the problem with this case is we do not know the true details about Morgan and her friends, but most important what really happened that night? I really am amazed at the number of incidents that have happened at Virginia colleges. I am a native Californian and I am sure things happen here also but I have not heard of these things from the same college over and over. Wasn’t Annie Le from Virginia Tech too? I have 2 teenagers that will be in college in a few years and all this makes me terrified. The only thing I can do as a mother is believe the best for them always and pray of course. Maybe the police do need a different set of eyes to look at this case. I feel very heart broken for the Harrington’s as I have for so many other missing cases. Some are never found or years later. What I do know is anything is possible, look at the Jaycee Dugard story, who would have ever guessed in a million years that this would have been the outcome. I pray for Morgan and her family and I just wish an answer would come soon. Why do you think there is a POI Blink? I am not sure if you will answer this it seems I have never been addressed before but I just wondered why you so strongly believe LE has a POI. I have much respect for you and your opinions.
DTA, I have addressed you previously. I do not and will not respond to every post and should not be taken personally by anyone.
Here’s an example, and I mean this respectfully so I hope you take it that way. I have addressed your exact question numerous times on this thread and my answer has not changed. I do not think it is fair to the dedicated followers of this case and it’s coverage to repeat myself or spend time on issues I have already addressed. It takes time away from other casework I already do not have. I understand the frustration, we all are, exactly why I need to focus on the aspects of this case that need clarification and validity to progress it.
I am working on that while we speak.
B
Blink,
Trash my previous post, I made a typo. Please use this corrected post.
(Comment #1173# Comment by AtotheK — December 9, 2009 @ 9:23 am
“All three couldn’t have happened.
Which one to believe?”)
Perhaps, these are estimates given within a time frame that is based upon the known time of the battery removal per phone company.
My guess is the BB players did not look at their watch, if ever wearing one after practice, while talking to Morgan.
The grandmother probably did not look at her watch, either, when confronting the arguing couple. She may have been waiting with her radio on, while waiting on her grandson, and during that time, the DJ announced the time.
Both of these witnesses would be giving an approximation of the time within a 10 – 15- 20 minute time frame.
Only the phone going dead would be a definite time; therefore, they could all be somewhat accurate/significant.