Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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I asked my daughter if there would be any reason why she would remove the battery from her cell phone.
Her first response was “to keep someone from reading my text messages”. She has a very jealous, possessive boyfriend who WILL take her phone and try to read all of her texts to see who she has been texting, to make sure she is not talking to any other guys.
If Morgan was possibly meeting someone like this (XBF), jealous, controlling, bad temper, she could have removed the battery for this reason, purposely.
Her second possible reason was, if the phone goes dead, she sometimes will take the battery out, clean it off and replace it to see if it will work again.
I think of this scenario when the Harrington’s say it is not unusual for her battery to be removed from the phone.
Third possibility — she and her boyfriend have the same phones. Sometimes, if his battery is dead, and he needs to use his phone, she will switch batteries with him.
Was Morgan searching for someone who had the same type of phone as hers, so she could use their battery? Maybe she asked the BB players what kind of phones they had, and this is why LE is trying to find out if she asked to borrow anyone else’s phone?
Just some thoughts…
“Moreover, the Pastos says it was “odd” that her battery was removed. She had to get that from somewhere and it does contradict both Rader and Dr. Harrington’s comments about it.
B”
Could it be that Morgan simply used the “I took the battery out” excuse as a way to account for not answering her phone when her parents called, if she didn’t want to talk to them at that moment? Perhaps it was not something she actually did but that is what her dad believes for that’s what she told him?
Response to one of DTA’s statements-Annie Le was from California and did her undergraduate work at the University of Rochester, NY. She was sadly murdered just before her wedding day at a Yale lab, where she was a graduate student.
@mjh: your daughter’s boyfriend acts this way?? um “red flag” anyone?
OPEN YOUR EYES [1792] wrote “Also–I have it on good info that MH was told “not to get drunk at that party”.
If your info on that detail is so good, then surely they can tell you which party, when, who made that comment, and why. Please find out and post for us all; it may spark some new ideas here.
I do agree with you that Morgan looks pale and wan in some of the pics. Do you have good info that her appearance was drug-related or is that speculation? Because I know a young woman (who happens to be 20 right now) who looks almost exactly the same, and at various times has even been homeschooled, moved home with her family, had to quit her job, and changed universities because of her severe problem. Oh, by the way, her problem is treatment-resistant endometriosis. So please don’t presume that appearances = BGIRL.
On the other hand, if you have factual info, please share that as well. Even negative info is good if it is solid, relevant, and helps find Morgan.
Good Question-
B
Look at this map of where all the registered sex offenders live and/or work at in the Charlottesville are and how close they are to UVA – http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/mapViewSearchResults.html?search.type=com.vsp.sor.pub.web.action.CitySearchAction1260381027581&citySearchCriteria.excludeIncarcerated=on&orderType=asc&citySearchCriteria.offenderFilterType=1&citySearchCriteria.city=CHARLOTTESVILLE
That’s alot of sexual offenders surrounding, in close proximity, to a college, where lots of young females attend. IMO.
Blink…how does having Dr. Harrington’s DNA profile help to identify Morgan?
Morgan’s DNA profile would most accurately be determined from items with her DNA, no?
Her toothbrush, hair from her hair brush, etc. Perhaps this is typical in these cases, I don’t know. It just struck me as unusual.
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, your correct, typically Morgan’s DNA would come from something of Morgan’s. That said, they may have already tested something and it is contaminated or unusable, or chain of custody issue? A profile of Mom and Dad DNA is pure.
B
Tried to post a while ago, but when I hit submit, I got an error message. (?)
First of all, in re to contacting the game warden to assist with getting the word out to hunters: we should probably find out who questioner has already contacted, don’t want to be redundant. Of course, there is always the slight possibility that it could be asking the fox to guard the hen house. Also, if LE has a new arm in the investigation, it would be helpful to know who it is; FBI, state forestry, park rangers, private.
Momof3, love the analogy of the spaghetti. Let us hope that someone has remembered to turn the stove on.
I know someone who worked for RMC events very briefly. She did not like what she felt was the pervasive attitude of her fellow workers. She felt that they were too into a commando style of enforcement instead of promoting safety and security to allow people to enjoy the events. It is not hard for me to believe that they escorted MH out of the arena.
#745 Mandy–I thought about that too. Why would DH make a prearranged time of noon–the day after such a huge event in Morgan’s life–to study together and balance her checkbook? It smacks of a parent who wants to make sure his daughter doesn’t do something, that he thinks she just might try to do. I hope that makes some sense. At the very least, it seems odd that he wouldn’t allow her a little extra time to sleep in.
Since Metallica didn’t take the stage until after 9 PM–then the concert was running late. At least, in the sense that it was an out of town event. Morgan was with her friends and from some accounts, they had plans to spend the night there, and drive home in the morning. Therefore, when was Morgan supposed to get any sleep?
It seems that her family–at least her Dad–kept tight reins on Morgan. It makes me wonder why–and what it may have to do with her disappearance. If anything???
Comment by Bean — December 9, 2009 @ 11:05 am
OR all three things could have happened at 9:26, 9:28 and 9:30, with all of the locations being within close proximity. I am sure it is difficult for a witness to identify the exact minute after the fact, but may venture a guess of “right around 9:30″.
and Comment by Counselor4u — December 9, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
I would agree with you that the exact minute would be hard to establish- However, the timeline does NOT match with the grannys sighting.
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/link.asp?L=414506
*Unless the granny was 20-30 minutes of on her accounts. Because the granny parked near JPJ and 9:20-9:30 would put Morgan at the RV lot/Copeley bridge. (and the granny saw the girl walk back to the arena at approx 9:30)
If LE released a timeline and things do not match with sightings and that timeline…then we have to sort fact from fiction. We shouldn’t just assume the the granny is right.
Which I think the only verified sighting was from the BB players.
1793 umm, hmmmm,not gonna go blame the victim route.I’m going to politely resist the urge to… let it fly …so to speak.
lizzy, lizzy, surely you understand that sleuthing involves gathering information from various sources as the opportunity arises and sometimes in situations that does not permit a thorough interrogation. And, sometimes you happen on information that, at the time it is gained, the significance is not apparent at that particular time, but reveals itself later. no?
Also, i would point out that i did not say Morgan was using DRUGS. ..those were YOUR WORDS, my dear. I said she was STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING. Are you ignoring the parts of my post that were re-statements of FACTS as well? Please re-read. . .
Hey Open- Blink here-
This post is condescending and rude. You were asked for a source because you stated something as fact, frankly, much more eloquently than I would have.
You just said absolutely nothing in response, except you actually used the words “I know for a fact” in your initial post- when you say that on my site, you need to be prepared to back it up, or hit the kiddie pool.
B
OPEN YOUR EYES:
Yes, he does act this way, and Yes, there are HUGE red flags…we are right on top of it. My daughter is well aware that he displays signs of a possible future abuser. We talk about these things extensively.
We have also discussed the situation with medical professionals. I am extremely concerned with his behavior, and with her health because of it. We have many family members involved and keeping an eye on the situation. And, I am on friendly terms with his mother. So, we are working on it. He is still young (17). My hope is to get him some counseling and perhaps get to the root of the problem. I believe it is an “abandonment” issue for him.
My daughter also has a very involved father who is 6’3″ and 250lbs, and three brothers who seem to be following suit.
The truth is, I really like this kid, and would like to get him some help.
The only reason I mentioned it at all is I feel that IF Morgan had an XBF with these same traits (which, in my opinion, is VERY possible) it could be very dangerous for her. Jealousy, Control Issues and Anger could definitely lead to death. It happens all the time.
KUDOS MJH. Bravo.
B
If the dogs smelled Morgan on the Copeley Bridge, did they also get her scent in the RV lot? Or, all the way from the arena to the RV lot?
I tried to post this before, but the site seemed to be having problems. Sorry if it made it the first time around and thus made me “double post”.
I was thinking about the “battery removal question” and was wondering about something. Dr Harrington stated that Morgan said she removed the battery frequently. Could it be that it is only something she told him to account for times she did not want to answer the phone when she saw it was her parents calling, without actually doing it? I know that if I had a phone at 20, that’s the kind of things I could of told my parents, as of to get them off my back when I did not want to talk to them…
CHECK OUT THIS POST!!!
Hohlov Ivan Vladimirovich About Morgan D. Harrington Real Kidnappers: A week ago I have sent to police and info@findmogan.com, that I found a copy on Morgan`s bedroom wall – “Jennifer Pershing” That`s miss PLAYBOY`s 2009.03. Morgan and Jennifer Pershing is the same person. I don`t know why you`re searching her now if I have sent full info with illustrations to police and info@findmogan.com at Sun, 15 Nov 2009? From Russia with Love, igotfreestyle@rambler.ru (BLG)
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=184087589649
This person is out of her mind – says this Jennifer Pershing was Born: June 19, 1980 – Somers Point, New Jersey
Another interesting post from same site “Josh Winrar stop looking for her, what you could stumbled upon goes way deeper than you could ever fathom. believe me, you dont want to know the truth.” Link is http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=184087589649#/group.php?v=wall&gid=184087589649 which is by the way called “ABOUT MORGAN D. HARRINGTON`s KIDNAPPERS”
Good Gravy. He has language on there I think should get him booted from FB
B
I’m reading along, (perhaps way too much), and am so impressed by the quality and depth of thought, analysis and knowledge about topic questions wherever questions arise. Of course, I share everyone’s anguish for Morgan’s family. An unexpected disappearance is a deep and different loss and shock, and I’m grateful that so many have offered support to them.
Going back to D Gardner’s reported brief exchange with Morgan as she exited her car upon arrival at JPJ; my impression is one of upbeat anticipation for Metallica’s performance. Then, according to reports,
things began to unravel inside the arena. I suppose I’m trying to ask what happened inside which led to her going outside. Why was she crying? What caused her to fall? Are these reports even accurate? I realize this is covering old ground, but I’m wondering if whatever happened inside is the reason for the chain of events that led to the last reported sighting of Morgan around nine-thirty.
Judi, I looked at that site a week or so ago. I was also surprised by how many sex offenders live/work near UVA. I think that that may be the case for many cities because people live in closer proximity to one another (than they do in, say, the countryside). But common to cities or not, I still got scared. I read so many of those guys’ posted profiles… addresses, age, crime, etc. There are a few who have been convicted more than once for rape. That terrified me. I also checked out a crime mapping website and mapped all the rapes in Charlottesville for the past year. Too many!!!! And some in almost identical locations. Coincidence? See if you can find my post on this from earlier… not sure what # it was though.
@mjh: you are a good mom. . .I know you want to help him. I know you will keep your daughter your first and ONLY priority, though.
Lizzy & Blink: Call BS if you want. . . it doesn’t change the info. I know what I know. Just because I wont give you a name, address, phone number of the source on the INTERNET is laughable.
I’m cool with that. I am positive nobody in the friend pool is going to be owning up to you anytime soon as their representative. Peace.
B
Blink – No admins left on that FB group referenced in post #1813 and #1814.
Hi all. Was on assignment and was surprised (pleasantly) by all of the new posts here. That said, I’m a little behind and have been unable to read everything so hopefully these comments aren’t too repetitious…
Chad (1699) re:
“This (posted article says) there was 40 minutes that passed before Metallica started playing. Perhaps Morgan knew that there would be a long break before Metallica played, and thus her exit. Presuming she wanted to get back in time to see them play. Enough time to meet F?”
MH was reportedly outside the JPJ at 8:20 pm. That relatively specific time-stamp leads me to believe a security member informed LE of this time (ie, the Friends allegedly didn’t know she had exited at all until the call at 8:48). Someone official (I’d hope) established this starting/exit point for MH. And, if security knew the exact time she exited, than security was involved with her exit. It’s possible that 8:20 was the earliest time a witness spotted her, but that would be a fairly flimsy foundation for a timeline, and that timeline was released soon after the investigation was made public.
Put simply: I don’t believe she *chose* to leave and had *plans* to meet someone. I think it was an unexpected occurrence, that MH was expelled by security. And B’s reminder of the secuity company’s “no comment” serves to underscore this logic.
If that’s the situation, than there was no “F” or “XBF” or “FB-BG” she had a rendezvous with/paln to meet. In my opinion, whatever happened to her had something to do with chance/bad choices/wrong-place-wrong-time. That said, it’s still possible one of those three options involved someone she knew; I just think her interaction with this person/people was a result of being asked to leave the concert, not planned in advance.
(Possibly stale statement, but at some point LE said they were only concerned with her activities *after* she left JPJ. A scheduled meet up – even arranged on her cell inside the arena – would be fodder for the investigation, and, as such, they would not have stated that, imo.)
Rae (1711) re:
“a poster (post #58 on 10/18/09 12:10 pm) mentions trying to “get back in the arena.” Could this be a reference to the same female security guard who MH had a problem with? Maybe MH she wasn’t the only one who couldn’t make it back to her seat if she had gone down to the floor during Lamb of God – maybe left her ticket stub at her seat?”
I don’t think anyone wants to read through my reitteration of the above response to Chad, but in regard to the female security guard alleged scuffle/words with MH, I don’t believe that’s been verified – I think it was a witness/es account(s). But whether true, it underlines how strict security there was. I’ve read several places that people without stubs were turned away from the floor/possibly arena if it appeared they were sneaking in (though, I haven’t looked into that policy and not even sure where I read that, so take it for what it’s worth: very little.)
acho (1738) re:
“However, SS’s “we wouldn’t have done it” comment lingers and makes me wonder what “it” they wouldn’t they have done (beyond driving home from C’ville sans MH, and maybe that’s all she meant … interesting though that she stopped talking after that interview).”
There has been much speculation on what SS meant by “we wouldn’t have done it.” I am unable to believe SS would admit to anything other than what was known (they drove home in MH’s car, leaving her behind essentially and with no access to her keys, and not alerting the Harrington’s until mid-day). And I think those actions are enough on their own to be regrettable for the Friends in hindsight. An attorney advising anyone involved involved in the case would probably advise them not to engage with the press/broader public as (indicated by SS-related speculation from that statement) it’s not hard to incriminate oneself when words are spotlighted out of context.
I think AM’s sister, Amanda Melvin, spoke words that were a little more intriguing. This might have also drawn the informal gag rag. She said:
“Everybody assumed she’d be coming back.”
This completely contradicts SS’s account that MH told her she’d find/was getting a ride home, and “so we thought she’d be fine” is in reference to your above quote.
If MH “assured” them she’d get a ride home, why did Amy tell her sister (who then told the press) that they thought she’d be coming back?
This could mean two things: 1, somebody’s lying; 2, Amanda meant “come back” in reference to Amy’s and MH’s shared apartment.
Could be taken either way and only serves to bolster my reasoning that it’d probably wise the Friends (and their siblings) don’t talk to the press… as much as we want them to.
DTA (1795) re:
“I really do not think at this point that LE has a POI. … I could be wrong, but I really think the problem with this case is we do not know the true details about Morgan and her friends, but most important what really happened that night?”
I think we all appreciate your frustration and fears, DTA, but let me refer you to a recent post by Observer:
(1688) “I believe that LE believes (and I have likewise come to believe) that MH’s abduction was specific to her–meaning, BG targeted her for a very specific reason. (or knew prior to Oct. 17, 2009), then they believe that the assault was not random. That is, MH was his sole focus was on MH, and MH alone. … The MH case is inconsistent with the (unknown assailant) profile, resulting in LE’s differing management of this case.”
It certainly appears (and not just because Observer spells it out) that after initial interviews and investigating, LE quickly determined there was not a deviant predator preying on young women walking alone. Many of us have taken that to mean that between LE speaking with MH’s friends and family, several witnesses, and reviewing the contents of her phone, it was clear she had a destination or knew someone/ran into someone she knew in the vicinity of the JPJ. At one point they went so far as to say they were not even sure a crime had been committed. With so much time now passed, it’s fairly clear MH met an ill fate, but *I* don’t believe it was a snatch/disable scenario involving a stranger. LE knows something about who she may have interacted with, but perhaps not enough for a warrant to parlay that knowledge into an arrest.
As far as the rest of us (“we”) not knowing the details and *that* being the problem with the case, I don’t agree with you. I am watching the pot, anxiously waiting for it to boil like everyone else, but LE has access to these answers, even if they’re missing a few critical specifics.
OPEN YOUR EYES (1792) re:
Also–I have it on good info that MH was told “not to get drunk at that party.”
Interesting clue, OYE… if you offer the source of the reference. If not, it can get in line behind the 2000 speculations before it.
Also, you said:
“If you notice the language of mom about the outfit: “she was covered” before concert, her mom’s constant referral to her as “our baby”, etc. they were not ready for Morgan to grow up. Morgan seems to have broken out of the shelter, and, unfortunately, most likely to her detriment. There may be a BG, but there was DEF a BGIRL too, IMHO.”
OYE, if I have my acronyms straight, “IMHO” means “in my humble opinion.”
I’m failing to see the humble nature with which you supposedly regard your opinion on people whom you do not know.
Blink et al,
I have been following the discussion on you site since day one. Being a parent, a UVA alum, living in Charlottesville and going to JPJ for events often, brought this close to my heart. It also made me a little more aware of the danger out there. Keep up the good work!
Based on all that I’ve been reading a few ideas come to mind. If they’ve already been discussed please ignore.
I see it possible that she was kicked out or walked out of the arena accidentally if she was or appeared to be under some sort of intoxication. There is a side door (that I know of, maybe more) leading outside off the lower section and can be used for entrance or exit. If she was kicked out of that one I’m not sure there would be witnesses, maybe one security person works it? Also it isn’t as readily obvious that it’s a true exit directly outside.
From my experience with the arena most of the people working there seem to be older/retired or UVA students (they man the concessions). I just can’t imagine that they would cover up if they saw a guard escorting her out.
Once outside and not being able to get back in, I think she contacted someone she knew was/lived close enough to come get her/hang out/ give her a ride. If she was ever on the bridge I think it would have been because she was wandering around waiting for that someone to come from that direction. Maybe the UVA players pointed her to that direction if someone was coming from 250 to the arena to meet her.
Would the BG try to sell her necklace? Is anyone looking for it online or at area pawn shops? It seems to be expensive so maybe he is cocky enough to try to get some money for it.
Comment by Judi — December 9, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
I saw that Facebook site last week. Totally weirded me out!
I hope LE is monitoring that site.
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Back to my original thinking about the timeline.
The VSP timeline actually has Morgan at Ivy/Copeley at 9:20
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/66881642.html?storySection=story
Is time really of the essence here or irrelevant???
Judi(1811), word to the wise……”delusional”. Overlook it.
OK LISTEN UP!!! I am so sick of hearing people say things indicating that this is Morgan’s fault for any reason!!!!! Sure she may have exhibited some risky behavior or made unwise decisions but, that gives NO ONE and I mean ANYONE the right to touch her or mistreather and most likely take her life!!! In this country over 2,000 children are reported missing each and every DAY across the United States. Sadly, 40% of reported missing kids are never found . People prey upon our youth because they know they are easy targets. I don’t care if Morgan Harrington was walking down the street butt ass naked smoking a joint, (which she wasn’t) that doesn’t mean anyone is entitled to take her! I would hope someone would try to help HER and not themselves.
I also believe it is time for LE to speak up, if they have a POI then say it!!! You don’t have to name them!!! If you don’t have a POI then the public needs to be on alert before this happens to someone else!!!!
Lizzy–apolos for misunderstanding your clothing comment. I thought you’d said she was dressed to the max or something like that. Not worth going back for direct quote, though, as I now am clear about your comment. Thx.
Just wondering if our unknown suspect had any history of theft.
Could there have been a cocktail brewing of jealousy, control, greed, misogyny (misanthropy?) which was ignited by a shiny necklace on a rich girl carrying a purse?
I’d be interested to know what you profilers might make of that. How close are theft and rape in cases you know? (Of course, rape is theft.)
TIA
@ RN Mom – you ever seen anyone in the ER for alcohol poisoning? can you tell us the immediate bodily reactions to alcohol poisoning? TIA
Open- You are not going to hijack this thread off-topic to serve a theory your refuse to provide a source for. Unless you can prove this ties directly to Morgan which is what you alleged, this topic sidebar is over.
B
Word Girl (re 1825), excepting this new info (Skyler, 1632) about an olive-skinned dealer in the C’ville area, I would bet that the BG holds resentment toward the Harringtons. Probably not as much about money as about control (of MH). But what do I know?
I hate to say that and would give my eye teeth to lift, rather than add to, the weight they must feel.
I’ve just been reading through all of these posts again — can’t believe I actually missed some earlier — and I find it odd that people keep thinking that an XBF had to have planned to go to the concert to meet up with Morgan, or lure her out, etc.
I don’t think she would have left the concert knowing she could not get back in, even if an X texted her saying “I’m outside, come meet me”, or “I can get you backstage”, etc.
What I am thinking is pretty simple. Morgan was “escorted” out of the arena. She had no intention of leaving. She was outside, upset, possibly somewhat impaired, alone in the cold, and needed to find a ride home. Who would she call to come get her? Her boyfriend, or in this case possibly XBF, who may have had jealousy, control, anger issues. They fought in the parking lot (grandmother witnessed), he walked away and came back. She left with him.
If she got into his car, and the argument continued, he may have thrown her purse out the window, just to be a jerk, and took off. Or, she may have placed it on the hood of the car, and forgot.
He didn’t have to plan to be there at all. She could have called him there to get her.
If she borrowed someone’s phone to call him — his number would be in that phone. LE would want the phone she borrowed.
I submit the following for your consideration: http://madisonmaddness.com/ Please read the article re: Sam Spady. Now, there is a FACT for you, Blink. Peace.
Open, that is an incredibly important article, and I recommend everyone reads it, however, you can’t say that is what happened here. Are you suggesting her friends dumped her somewhere?
B
word girl,very early in this case i read all around craigslist charlotteville, in the rants and raves section there was a rage and rant going on between someone robbed and pointing the finger at a certain locale where a group of usual suspects hung out,a person representing themselves as a member of the hangout spot was ranting back— paraphrasing: yea,we robbed you and will do it again,and just wait for what we have in store for your_____ ____ a*****.I didnt save it or link it cuz i didnt want to fuel any false/farce craigslist posting,but i wondered about it,the rants went back and forth and involved a snatched purse in one.i did go back and try to retreive but they had time expired.On a different note i did go there right now and look around and this is interesting ,not are only are there concerted speeding traps on the way to waynesboro but on the 29 south as well.http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/rnr/1495418253.html
Blink
I did not mean to anger you in anyway by my post. I re read it and did not think it was as you saw it however since you were bothered by it I apologize. I have read this site from the beginning and have posted maybe 5-6 times. I am not sure if I ask the question before, I guess I felt I did not get a complete answer. I am new at this as I never had time in the past to ever get online and now I do. This case interested me so I have followed it on your site. I will not bother you with questions again, as not to take away from the group as you said. I think you are all very intelligent on this site and I know you all care about Morgan. I do too. I hope Morgan is found. J2K: Thank you for the kind way you re directed me back to the post expaining things. I guess LE has their reasons. I hope it pays off and helps.
DTA, did not anger me in the least. I apolly if you felt I was stern, we are glad to have you.
Admittedly, I am handling too large a caseload and I was short with you. Please accept my apologies.
B
Morgan kissed her friend goodbye. Friend called and said, “so, did he show up/are you there yet?” MH says, “no, and I’m trying to get back in. Whatever…if I can’t get back in, I’ll just find somebody to get a ride with.”
Friends knew of the plan (“we wouldn’t have done it if we’d known”) and they weren’t part of it besides being clued into it. Part of that plan was pretending that MH was going to stay for the concert.
She left her seat about 20 minutes before the planned meeting.
Would the ‘textee’ have approximately 50 minutes to leave his last place of texting and get to Morgan by 9:30? Is textee from Lynchburg or Richmond?
I’m sure these things have all been run over and over, but it helps me to get perspective, if anyone cares to spare some.
@1827: Seriously? And just what IS the TOPIC? thare are so many “I believe”, “oh, what if this. . .”
@1830: If you read the article, you would see that I AM suggesting that she COULD have become intoxicated to the point of wandering off, ingesting her own vomit and dying in some unknown location. Obviously that IS possible.
But, let’s return to the discussion of the “must be a hunter, land owning XBF of ill repute” I would hate to get “off topic”. That makes WAY more sense.
Listen OYE from the planet ascerbia, I don’t discount the hypothetical. That said, you launched yourself on here as an insider with “postured proof” of your allegation. The perception would be you supporting a theory that is a possibility vs. an incident rooted in fact. Then you insult others.
And WOW, I musta missed the “ill repute” quote- (say like your on the loudspeaker)
“Hector the Projector” Your Table for one is ready.
There was a time in my life I am sure I was an ascerbic snot that knew it all. I grew out of it.
Here’s to a growth spurt for you. *clink*
Blink
No worries, Thank you though. Believe me I know what it is like to have too much pressure I understand. I know how kind you are and how much you are dedicated to helping those that cannot help themselves. This is important work and I am glad you are in charge.
Word girl – I was thinking that too. When they say the person she was texting was in a different city, they could mean a different city WITHIN THE STATE (ie: JMU or Morgan’s hometown). Also, when they say he is not a suspect – he’s not…hes a POI.
Also, yes, Sprint does use CDMA – my apologies.
But if they KNOW that 9:30 was the shut off time, dont they know the LOCATION of the shut off time?
Its really similar to the case of Natalee Holloway – no body, and the last person seen with her claims he left her on the beach.
Even if they have questioned this POI extensively, he could just say that he left her in the RV lot.
Also, what is up with OYE? Is OYE the same person as On Belief?
Blink, do you see IP addresses too? What city is OYE and On Belief coming from (you dont have to say)…just really weird and totally disruptive to a peaceful community for no reason.
OYE – I hope you find happiness.
Sorry ,no can do with the “wandered off”scenario. According to LE,her scent ends with the bridge.
But sure she could have been drunk.So what.
re #1644 Mandy, just curious how it would have been “unrealistic” for Morgan to use a VaTech computer and her school email for private contacts with an “internet friend” or an XBF who was in her parents’ doghouse? Whenever I’m in UVa libraries, the many computers in their lobbies are generally jammed with student users, many of them briefly checking their email. If her parents had the passwords to her computer, that implies they checked it, at least now and then. Most 20 year-olds would resent that invasion of their privacy, and if they’re really involved in something that would raise a fuss at home (whether or not they’d see that fuss as “reasonable,” they’ll find some other fairly handy mode of communicating without the oversight. As the old saw says, “Where there’s a will, there’s a way.” Alternative to Tech computers, those of college friends (not necessarily ones we know about), or prepaid “burner” cellphone.
Comment by OPEN YOUR EYES — December 9, 2009 @ 6:42 pm
@1827: Seriously? And just what IS the TOPIC? thare are so many “I believe”, “oh, what if this. . .”
@1830: If you read the article, you would see that I AM suggesting that she COULD have become intoxicated to the point of wandering off, ingesting her own vomit and dying in some unknown location. Obviously that IS possible
OK, Open your eyes, I am all ears. Let’s say she was so intoxicated that she didn’t know what she was doing, wandered off and died on her own vomit. She would have been found no farther than the campus quad. Or if she made it to someplace with people around (jeez, a dorm, the 7-11, a bank??), choked on her own vomit and died, someone is covering it up. Doofus!! Please, don’t come on here and spout like you are smarter than everyone. I’ll have you know, I partied my ass off in college, I know how far you can walk when you are drunk enough to vomit. Not very! No way she is laying somewhere near JPJA waiting to be found.
You and on belief seem to have a little hysteria in your voices regarding hunters stumbling upon her body. Are you hiding something on your hunting land??
Sorry, Blink. He asked for it.
I see the kiddie pool is open. . .Blink, you continue the name-calling, foot stamping hissy fit. It lends tremendous credibility and class to your site. *wink*
Keep up the training, stretching. We are pulling for you.
I am alot of things, but anyone whom has ever known me would tell you the hissy fit and I are strangers. That’s just silly. You showed up at Varsity in a bench warmer moo moo.
B
The problem with the accidental overdose/choking on own vomit scenario, as Blink pointed out long ago, is: then where’s the body?
RE:
@1830: If you read the article, you would see that I AM suggesting that she COULD have become intoxicated to the point of wandering off, ingesting her own vomit and dying in some unknown location. Obviously that IS possible
Obviously that is not what happened or the thousands of volunteers, LE, or the air searches would have turned up a body or at least some other evidence!
Evening, Blink
Your posted article on November 10, “Morgan Harrington Case: Lack Of Leads Frustrates Search Efforts”, some on your team believed Morgan may not have attended the concert(s) at all. If I may ask, where are they standing now.
You may. Squarely on their wheel, wpg. 2 Believe she never made it to JPJ.
B
Hey, JVM is doing Morgan Harrington and Brittany Drexel tonight! You know, after Tiger and all that. Woot!
Gotta show Mandy some love, though, for her post #1745.
The “model scout” seems an astute possibility–not necessarily connected directly with Morgan’s disappearance, but maybe something that could have looked appealing if she didn’t like where her life sat. Certainly she didn’t seem short of adventurousness; this kind of pitch could have reached her, if it came at the right “down moment.”
Thank you for calling “baloney” on the friends’ account of Morgan “studying in the back seat” on the trip to the concert. Yeah, like that was any possibility, with everyone stoked for the event. (C’mon, you defenders of such a scenario; remember when YOU were young.)
Finally, and not least, your observation that a noon next day study date with Dad seems kind of odd. Just as Moonchime commented in #1805, it seems evidence that Morgan was being kept on a pretty short leash. It’s an hour’s drive from C’ville back to Harrisonburg, where Sarah Snead and Boyfriend w/o a Name had to return. And it’s 2 hours from H’burg to Roanoke, so she’d have to hit the road by 10 AM
Sunday. Doesn’t leave much time for an Afterparty, does it, if she was going to be anything but a zombie when her Dad quizzed her on fanances and math.
Few thoughts:
Did JPJ arena have a “no photography” policy for that event? If so is it possible Morgan was taking pictures, camera was confiscated, then she became upset? and perhaps was just buzzed enough and mad enough, the guard decided to evict her out of annoyance for her challenging him/her? (could account for missing camera, and discrepancy in her behavior–i.e. didn’t seem overly intoxicated to witnesses)
Then possibly a shady character just happens to be outside the arena (selling drugs, scalping tickets?or?) He witnesses Morgan’s eviction and thinks he might be able to take advantage of the situation and attempts to “help” her?
Calls friends thinking she would be okay with this guy helping her out…
She may realize he isn’t quite what she thought, starts to reconsider? maybe he asked to borrow her phone and removed the battery when she wasn’t aware?
She thinks this is a bad idea and tries to reach out to others leaves him to chat with BB players…(also could account for fight in parking lot she just wants him to leave her alone)He pursues relentlessly,she drops purse in effort to just get out of there?
she gets to the bridge and tries to find a way out of there…He has made his mind up he wants her….
Just some thoughts–I am not a POI and if you knew me you would know right away how impossible it would be (sorry Blink I don’t want to be in your headlines-HA-but I would like to win something for being the 100,000 visitor at least 500 times!)
Some other thoughts:
On my phone (Verizon voyager) the battery IS the back cover and it has been dropped so many times it pops off easily–I have lost mine without even knowing it just carrying it around.
Could the battery been cleaned up (I expect after an event there would be lots of litter around which event personnel would have to clean up)
I study people, not crime, and I never watch TV-but I do know some socially inept people have such a need for companionship (and for some, sex) that they do keep their victim alive for awhile. She may be held against her will, which is horrible to think about but better than dead. It is possible the person responsible is a small time drug dealer, living mostly on the shady side of the law–a total loser nobody can stand being in a relationship with –BUT he may not be able to cross the line to murder–and yet he is trapped, he can’t let her go either. I am not willing to give her up for dead no matter what the statistics say.
Thanks again Blink for all you do.