Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Blink, I apologize for my last post. Name calling is never called for. As you know, I am not opposed to the idea that Morgan used drugs or alcohol as evidenced by my first post. I am opposed to the idea that someone would think that someone who is intoxicated enough to vomit and choke and die is capable of walking anywhere. For those who have never had that unpleasant experience, there is a reason in the movies the drunk always wakes up on the bathroom floor. You can’t go far on your own. In order to be at the vomiting stage you have to be trashed. You don’t go for a mile or 25 mile radius walk and say “jeez, i have to puke” stop, choke, die. Not physically possible. To his own post, I have seen people with alcohol poisoning, they are unconscious. Not wandering off so far that they can’t be discovered. That argument is so illogical to me, I take back everything I was pissed about earlier today regarding LE. I think they are hot on someone’s ass and they are scrambling.
“Open your eyes” made me angrier than anything since this poor girl went missing. Illogical at best, utterly insulting to those of us who lived a little in college or elsewhere.
Dan and Gil Harrington will be on Jane Valez-Mitchell tonight at 7:45 PM
re tracphone: a poster earlier detailed how one method by which a tracphone user might be made known. One other way involves the choice of process for adding more minutes…instead of using the anonymous pre-paid card, one might choose to pay by credit card – whereby the user very likely loses their desired anonymity.
re “batteries ‘removed’ from cell phones: my last cell phone had a problem with the battery falling out when the phone fell from one’s grasp.
>>Comment by RNmom — December 9, 2009 @ 4:16 pm
OK LISTEN UP!!! I am so sick of hearing people say things indicating that this is Morgan’s fault for any reason!!!!! <<<
Hello, RNmom — I don’t think the regular posters/followers here in any way believe or attribute what happened as “Morgan’s fault” — very early on, I know Blink responded to a post stating clearly she would not tolerate anyone posting to that effect.
I can’t speak to anyone but myself, but I think it would be accurate to say everyone here wants this girl found and returned to her family. It’s been nearly 60 days and with no new evidence released by LE, by anyone, it is discouraging and heart breaking. I don’t know what post you were referring to in particular, With the scant information available to the public, I think everyone is just trying to think both inside and outside of the box as to what may have happened and where she is.
From witness accounts, it *appears* Morgan was impaired — either thru a head injury when she fell inside the arena, or from ingestion of alcohol or drug use. That said, I think if you go back to the beginning and read thru the thousands of posts, you’ll see many many references where people have said: I was young once, too, and did my share of partying.
JPJ has not released a statement indicating that Morgan was escorted from the arena due to improper behavior, nor have the friends made any public statement, other than to say she was going to smoke a cigarette. Her decision to leave her friends and walk out of the doors of the arena ultimately led to her disappearance. And that may be what posters are referring to, as opposed to: she was stoned and wearing a mini skirt, so she got what she deserved.
Nice to know that Morgan has one more supporter on her side : )
Re tracphone: One way a user can lose anonymity is by choosing to “add minutes” by personal credit card instead ofretaining anonymity by buying a card. It’s an easy “mistake” to make.
Re “batteries ‘removed/separated’ from cell phones: my last cell phone had a problem with the battery falling out when the phone fell or was dropped.
Morgan’s mom didn’t really have a chance to say much, just that the timeline stops at 9:30 and won’t budge.
I have been reading here for quite some time and was curious…can you tell us how many crimes have been solved or led to a solution? I have no motive – just a curious interest in what kind of outcome these type of sites have on the solution of an issue?
OPEN YOUR EYES
@1830: If you read the article, you would see that I AM suggesting that she COULD have become intoxicated to the point of wandering off, ingesting her own vomit and dying in some unknown location. Obviously that IS possible.
You are right that is possible, what we need to know is where you, sorry “your friends” dumped the body. If she stumbled off and died someone would have found her by now.
http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2009/10/29/cover-findMorgan-E.aspx
“A few stories that have surfaced in the media have been debunked. Among them were a grandmother who believed she might have seen Morgan in the Arena’s parking deck arguing with a young man, as well as reports that items of Morgan’s clothing have been found.”
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@ RN Mom – you ever seen anyone in the ER for alcohol poisoning? can you tell us the immediate bodily reactions to alcohol poisoning? TIA
Btw, yes I have actually. I am assuming that since none of the witness accounts state anywhere that Morgan had slurred speech, or they witnessed her vomit, unable to carry on a conversation, being unable to walk, passed out, having difficulty breathing, or seizing that was not the case. Also, I did read that someone saw her crying in the bathroom because of an injury so she was responding to painful stimuli.
I would hope that if she had been in this condition security would have called for help instead of turning her away alone. Isn’t that the policy at JPJ or am I mistaken?
I am (blink) “woman” hear me roar! (response to OYE). I have no comment for OYE, only to say that The Spade’s are from my state in which the article that you are referring to. You are not reinventing the wheel here young man.
I get goosebumps just recalling the mothers speaking engagement.
Post a link instead of posting your sarcasm and then we can talk. Put your money where your mouth is. You apparently have never listened to a mother of a perished child speak to a crowd, or looked into the eyes of a grieving parent that has been told that their child has passed. If you have, you would not be posting here in the manner that you are. Pull up you bug boy pants, and let’s here it. We are all ears.
J2k:
You are too good J2k. Prob too good for your own good. Your keen proclivity to detail is amazing. I swirl in details and talk myself in and out of every scenario. Circular reasoning, I unfortunately inherited from my father……. I will admit that this detail crunch isn’t my strongest asset. Big picture is more suiting for me. If I may add, onto my previous scenario and or theory in which you are referring, although all theories that are posted here are very plausible and accepted, I am open to them. However, I do favor, and I am so inclined to think that this was a “planned meeting” between Morgan and her abductor. . I do think that he was somewhere in between a stranger and a known “F”. I would like to add also, and if you will refer to observers scenario in previous posts, that she met “F” on line at some point prior to the concert. She has met him on line, but hasn’t met him in person yet. Wants to introduce “F” to friends at concert.
J2k- could it be possible that they had an arranged meeting time to meet at “X”, as well as a special outfit that she insisted on wearing to which he could indentify her? which would have placed her outside of the arena? I believe this was a “big day ” for Morgan to meet him.
I embrace the theory that she had pre discussed her outfit, thus he could recognize her, and also, that they had planned on meeting at a specific place, and time, that somehow took her out of the arena.
I believe that also that Dee is playing with your mind J2k. She is playing with all of our minds. Dee was indeed escorted out of the arena by security. In fact, the video( which has been posted here 1,000 posts ago) in which she herself disputed that this was her, and not Morgan. This the exact video that all thought was Morgan, but what really Dee. Her and her boyfriend accompanied by 3 male companions followed her out along with security. This was captured on video.
I believe all the videos that posted are of Dee, and also possible sightings, are of Dee. Dee has not come forward with information of any of these sightings that she says are her, and thus helps us in deciphering who is who. I still am not even sure if that was really Morgan on the bridge either. Although, would it really matter why Dee or Morgan both got ejected from the venue in the bigger picture?
I believe that only one verifiable sighting would be that of the basketball players, which we still have yet to know exactly what the conversation was and or interaction was that made LE completely sure this was Morgan.
Dee has only publically verified only (1) video which she identifies herself, and that was the video in which all thought that was Morgan without tights. I will research the link if you wish.
Although none of us can really specify if the videos, or even the sightings are Dee or Morgan, one cannot really rely on unsubstaitiated facts or supposed truths of sightings.
The “Dee factor” completely complicates our timeline, and and also possible scenarios put into play here on this board. I honestly wish the Dee factor didn’t exist to be quite frank. But without verifacation, I cannot add her into the scanario.
You suggested we get past the purse, and we took heed and we are trying to move forward. But you need to get past the Dee factor too, and accept it as perhaps an unknown that we cannot let preclude us from adapting to other theories or scenarios.
Lastly, I spent an entire getting ready for prom my junior year in highschool, for a guy that I had only known for a few weeks that had asked me!. You bet a girl can get excited, and prep, outfit, make up, etc… for a very special meeting with someone she may only have known superficially.
Carson, thanks for the note. I agree….my son’s experience wasn’t handled properly at all. That’s an understatement. I don’t agree with the way that VT handled this sad April day either, but I don’t think that any college would have been prepared for something of that nature. It’s a day I will never forget. Since the VT tragedy, a lot of policies have changed regarding student and family alerts — thank goodness.
I totally agree with you that we need to know whether it’s possible that it could be a serial criminal. The silence is driving me crazy. I wish you and your daughter much luck in the college choice process — it’s supposed to be a fun time, and something like this shouldn’t even have to be on our minds. I hope we hear something soon….
oye, the drunken college girl in the article was found where she p.o,if this is what happeened to morgan why is not being found where she passed out?who would have reason to move her to a hidden/hard to find spot ?
Re: OPEN YOUR EYES — December 9, 2009 @ 6:06 pm
Unfortunately a lot of college students die as a result of alcohol… drunk driving, falls, poisoning, etc. The difference here is that no one called for help. An acquaintance of mine in college drank too much one night…his heart stopped twice in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. But luckily he’s alive because his friends called 911 even though they got in a massive amount of trouble as a result. If MH did die of alcohol poisoning and people at the party dumped her, I absolutely can not fathom that one of them wouldn’t have a shred of remorse to call an anonymous tip line and at least let her have a proper burial. I also find your theory that she wandered off, passed out and died from choking on vomit to not be strong enough. Part of the problem is that there is no evidence or witnesses saying this. Another thing is that really intoxicated people tend to sit in a sofa, lay on a bed, or go out on the porch. I drank too much at a party once in college… but I passed out on the back porch. Not only didn’t I wander anywhere, but I had also had friends who looked after me, giving me water, etc. I can’t believe that if she were at a party and overly intoxicated, not one person would have helped her. Finally, how does her drinking too much at a party explain her missing cell phone battery or lost purse?
I’m open to the possibility, because I know it happens to college kids a lot more than it should… but there should be witnesses and evidence… there should be info. connecting her to that party.
On JVM tonight she had on MH’s mom. Nothing new, only a guest said LE should look at Morgans computer at work, he said LE hasn’t done that yet. Grrrrr…JVM repeats at 5am…Also had on Brittany’s Drexel mom. Still searching in a lake there. So very sad. Also Peoples magazine has all missing people featured.
@1819 Comment by J2K
I totally agree with J2K when he/she reminds everybody that LE has interviewed these witnesses that we keep putting in doubt (Basketball players/Friends/Parents/Brother/lady who witnessed a fight/person who saw her hitch hicking/Security personel/etc/etc) I’m sure they even questioned people/witnesses we don’t even know exist. So, keep in mind, that although our “big brother” natural craving for knowing it all doesn’t change the fact that LE has in fact now discharged somethings and are certain about somethings. And i’m sure that if the BB players or her friends were lying, they would have be caught on it by now.
I will now try to be logical and simple about this case, as when time passes by we tend to became frustrated with no answers and that may lead to complicating hypothesis and farfetched theories.
In the beginning, as i guess, all of you, i had trouble with “why the heck would she get out of the arena”? It didn’t make sense. Until the security kicking her out (for whatever reason) explanation. That’s a good explanation That would make sense to me. And LE already knows this to be true or false. If they said that they only care for the timeline after she got out, that seems to me that they know she was thrown out. As for the ticked stubs and marked seats, i wouldn’t know. i’ve seen Metallica 4 times here in Portugal and there were no marked seats, there were no seats at all.The concerts were outside.
So, now she is outside, Security won’t let her back in. She’s frustrated and mad about missing Metallica. Logical thing to do is to let her friends inside know what’s happening to her. She either:
1. Try to call them but it was noisy inside and they didn’t hear the phone ringing.
2. She couldn’t call them cuz she had no credit on her cellphone (assuming it was pre-payed).
3. For some reason she didn’t feel it was important to let them know (which doesn’t make sense to me).
So she’s trying to figure out what to do. She decides to call the friends a bit later (put money on the cellphone by that time?) And tells them she’s leaving. I only believe this if she had by then contacted a friend who she knew would pick her up. She wouldn’t hich hick with a total stranger, knowing that her car was there and that her friends would be out in 2 hours. She would rather wait outside, hear the concert and then leave with her friends on her car.
She wouldn’t certainly hitchhike having lost her purse or being robbed. She would go to security, even if she previously had a fight with one of them. She’d look for another one.
So, i believe that what happened to make her lose the purse is key.
But here is where me trying to be logical fails me…
She either was hitchhiking for a total stranger ( which doesn’t make sense to me ) and she had her purse, and the BG went back to the parking lots to throw the purse out ( which doesent make sense to me ).
Or she planned with a friend to meet on the bridge ( still the purse dumping on the parking lot doesn’t make sense to me ).
Or The purse wasn’t actually found on the parking lot…
Or she wasn’t hitchhiking, she was abduckted in the parking lot and lost the purse during the fight.
Now, If no one saw her getting into a car, and she went with a stranger, voluntarily or unvoluntarily… could mean that LE has reached a dead end. Which i tend to believe they did…
Pardon my english.
Great to read you all*
if they have asked for Dr. and Mrs. Harrington DNA because it is pure and untainted. then could one surmise that LE could have Morgan’s DNA on something? (i.e. somebody’s phone, a car, something that was found) this is puzzling to me. although, it could just to be kept on file. correct????
Everyone wants so much to find out what happened to Morgan Harrington.
I wish the media could put pressure on the witnesses to speak up. Why were the friends told not to talk? Why isn’t this in the media?
OYE, To this reader, your original post did not clearly differentiate between “fact” and “hypothesis.” I did not ask for firm documentation of your “facts,” I only asked for more info. Sorry if that touched such a nerve.
I agree that you did not use the word “drugs.” I took that as the implication and put the word in your mouth, since, in your subsequent scenario, you said, “she OD’s,” and concluded with “there was DEF a BGIRL too, IMHO.” So sorry for apparently reading incorrectly between the lines. What did you mean? Alcohol OD? (Just a legal drug.) Or was someone else the BGIRL? Clarification is always appreciated.
I do agree that your link on acute alcohol poisoning is important and should be a wake-up call to many college students and other youth. I was personally a victim decades ago, when my drinks were secretly heavily spiked with Everclear. Fortunately, most of those at the party were trusted friends, including an intensive care nurse, who took care of me. I do remember the desperation for air due to the suppression of respiration. (Maybe, just maybe, that’s one of the reasons I became a little harder to mess with over the years.)
[A slight digression: Are you from the deep ole South? Only acceptable excuse I can think of for calling me "dear." You might want to try to break that habit when dealing with people in the bigger world. I'll never forget the first time I said "ya'll" in Chicago over 30 years ago; the Burger King checker laughed so hard that the manager gave me my order free. I'm not sure a condescending "dear" would have worked out quite so well, although I do admit a smirk at the vision of you trying that out in person. (I do try my best to be nice, but I'm afraid I have gained a reputation as being just a wee bit intimidating, and age is only accentuating that flaw.)]
Now, back to Morgan.
Blink- http://www.metallicabb.com/index.php?showtopic=113903&st=50 #58
I am sitting here tonight reviewing information over and over again. When I revisited FB I checked the following link again. First time I read this I found it odd. The second time I find more interesting. Please note he talks about a necklace. This was approximately 2 weeks before information on the necklace was revealed.
http://posse.perezhilton.com/public_profiles/thinkitwasamuleshapedpool
1. on Metallica Offers Reward For Missing Fan at 01:31 10/27/2009
this isn’t a game. you know who this is, exactly where he is. surrounded by everything you know. i was so shocked today. i coulnd’t believe u’d think what you did. i did everything to protect you until this weekend when i gave you everyting and i needed two days to get over the fact that i just sent a message to the one person that mattered in the world that’d i’d never think i’d get the chance to. you couldn’t look into my eyes and tell me all these things. why would you think after the sweetest thing i’ve ever done for you that i would want you to hurt. i was just afraid, how gay was i the necklace, the cds, the tears, the poems, why would i disapear to hurt you. you never understood that disapearing meant it was ok
susanm, Not trying to bolster the alcohol poisoning theory. But one possible reason for a cover-up is that she was underage. Some nasty charges can apply when death occurs due to an illegal act–in this case supplying alcohol to a minor.
Driving home tonight, in a cold windy mist, I saw a young man apparently hitchhiking. I looked again because of Morgan. He wasn’t hitchhiking; he was carrying something small in his hand and thus had a semi-fist, and he was motioning gratitude to a driver who had slowed to allow him to move from a fairly hazardous position in a traffic lane to a safer pedestrian area. Made me think.
i would love to see the er records from that night…and, from where they originated?
Exactly Fish, that is why I believe they need to have the parents DNA.
I believe it is essentially a way of ruling them out. Eliminating them as a possible DNA match to something that is evidence.
Perhaps Morgan’s DNA is on something or the DNA of the suspect.
What was the train schedule that night? Is that rail for freight or passenger? Was there a train moving or parked under the bridge with open cars she could have fallen into?
lizzy, very good point about the guy that looked like he was HH. I never thought of this before but maybe she was holding a cigarette, it just looked like she had her thumb out. There have been times that I was smoking and people thought I was waving to them, or giving them the finger, depending on how it was being held.
Re #s1709, 1750, etc. Is There a Pastor in the House? This issue has been batted around several times; Lisa pointed it out, Rnmom frowned at it, Lizzy and Blink seem to see it as a non-issue. I’ll try keeping the ball in the air by taking a different whack at it (possibly more as devil’s advocate than complete believer in what I propose):
To me the key questions, IF “Rev. Diane” does indeed share the Harrington home, are: 1. Why was she invited in? and 2. How long has this been going on?
I know my “blink” reaction to learning this was, “oh, weird.” I know numbers of highly religious people who never would feel comfortable in the 24/7 presence of their minister/priest/pastor. It smacks a bit of devotees at an aschram, which may be spiritually lofty, or. . . well, on its downside that road runs all the way to exorcisms. I don’t mean to imply anything of that sort about the Harringtons or Rev. Diane, but since we don’t get to ask Key Question #3—“Hey, Morgan, level with us; how do you really feel having her around so much??—don’t we have to IMAGINE that Morgan could have felt that this development was at least partly about HER and the way her parents saw her? And if it happened in time conjunction with the “troubles” many of us seem to believe Morgan went through several months ago and with the beginnings of her “closer to home” period (which seemed to so please her parents), might not the pastor’s arrival have seemed to a free-spirited young woman like the last confining straw?
B, what the heck is being discussed in Justice’s post #1789? That area is right around the corner from the Harrington home; by my map, can’t be 5 miles as the crow flies, and right off the Appalachian Trail. (Is your Blink-Meter going off like the wild rectangles around “This Is Not A Joke–You Are the 100,000th Visitor!”)
Kris Kringle [r u early or m i late?], thanks for discussing (#1807) your friend who briefly worked for RMC Security and was uncomfortable that her fellow employees “were too into a commando style of enforcement instead of promoting safety and security in order to allow people to enjoy the events.” That could be a telling commentary; combined with the company’s own “no comment” to questions about whether Morgan had been forced to leave JPJ Arena, and with J2K’s deft reasoning (post #1822) that if LE was convinced enough that 8:20 was when she exited the building, it was probably because security supplied them with that time (which we’d hardly expect them to note for anyone leaving by choice).
Local Conclusion: Morgan was booted from the concert.
Ramifications:
1. Makes it seem less likely (certainly not impossible) that she was carried off by someone she had intended to meet there (that is, a BG she had misjudged or had been deceived by). Not impossible because, of course, if the BG was there to meet her and didn’t care about the concert, he could have noticed her absence (or watched her escorted out by security) and then wandered out himself, to confront her later.
2. Seems to make what transpired for Morgan inside the arena and even earlier in the day more important to know about. Was she hurt—and how did it happen? Did she see anyone there that she knew and possibly feared? What, in her behavior, attracted the stern notice of security personnel? Was she obviously impaired? trying too insistently to go somewhere her ticket didn’t authorize her to go? involved in “a fight with another girl” (as someone on the board posted)?
3. That puts her, quite unexpectedly, outside and alone, in a cold, damp night, without keys to her car. Frustrated, no doubt, she tries “several times” (according to LE) to reenter the arena, perhaps becomes belligerent with a woman door guard. [Is the infamous purse strap broken in such an encounter?] And then we are launched into the LE timeline that ends abruptly at 9:30, with only vague markers of her passage: the one less-than-specific phone conversation with her travel companions inside, a couple of eye-witness “sightings” of her around UHall’s parking lots and the Copeley bridge, and the quite undetailed info that she “interacted” with some UVa basketball players, minutes before she’s said to have been seen hitchhiking from that bridge. To point out the essentially conjectural nature of this whole time period seems almost unnecessary, so. . .
4. If she’s not getting back in to see Metallica, and if her friends haven’t come out to rescue or join her, and if she can’t use or take shelter in her car. . . she has time (2 hours till the concert ends) on her hands, needs to find a warmer place to pass that time and, possibly, wants some excitement in lieu of this concert she’s long anticipated. Would she (a) call local friends or acquaintances (which requires a working cell phone and the “luck” to find someone available on a college town Saturday night), or (b) “depend on the kindness of strangers”? (if her cell battery had fallen out in the dark??)
Too sleepy to go on now. ‘Night, everyone. One day closer to finding Morgan.
I was going to go back to lurking, but I saw this in Chad’s post about the Dee factor and my hinky meter went “blinko”. (Ha)
Comment by Chad — December 9, 2009 @ 10:03 pm
The “Dee factor” completely complicates our timeline, and and also possible scenarios put into play here on this board. I honestly wish the Dee factor didn’t exist to be quite frank. But without verification, I cannot add her into the scenario.
You suggested we get past the purse, and we took heed and we are trying to move forward. But you need to get past the Dee factor too, and accept it as perhaps an unknown that we cannot let preclude us from adapting to other theories or scenarios.
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HINCE..
I need all to have a very open mind on this, cause I’m going out of the box, off the wall, and maybe la la land, but feel free to shoot my thoughts down or bring me back to reality on this at anytime:
Maybe the D factor is suppose to completely complicate…everything.??? Maybe this is another possible scenario? Maybe we are “suppose” to get past the D factor?
I would so much love to know if Morgan or her friends were ever involved in Drama Club or any other venue as such? Just how much did these girls look alike (D&M)? Her friends described her as a very funny person. Maybe she is a very witty and clever person also. I thought it strange to find out these girls and groups of friends knew each other and how these two girls, specifically, dressed alike. Now your telling me she was “also” removed from the concert?
Is it possible the trip to the restroom was indeed the beginning of a wardrobe adjustment and the charade began?
How large was the backpack? Large enough to conceal another purse? No one saw the BP being tossed or who tossed it. Dee could have been on that bridge pretending to be hh; any article of M’s clothing could have had the scent the dogs hit on. Is it possible the witnesses saw Dee and thought it was Morgan all along? Dee could have had the necklace on, a second pair of tights, M takes hers off, M puts on gold earrings and pulls her hair back.
Wish we had more details of this case and definitely more surveillance videos. A close up of Dee’s face would be nice to see. Remember girls “make up can do wonders” and we can be good actresses.
Either way, it doesn’t tell us if she ran or met with tragedy. Nor get answers to her parents or us that she is ok. Just maybe a thought on why all the confusion with the sightings… Or if this girl felt so strongly about “disappearing” for whatever her reason; she still is a young college girl in mind.
I’m going to think about this more…may convince myself to come back to earth. Comments (of all kinds) welcome.
Justdesserts:
I will try to explain a little more about what I meant by “unrealistic” scenarios:
1. I imagine that perp resents Mr. & Mrs. H. I think he would want to throw it in their face that he was still communicating with Morgan. To me, this is a possible explanation for the articles in which her parents say it is not “unusual” for Morgan to take out her battery. This leads me to believe the perp was calling her at times she would be with her parents as a disrespectful and controlling gesture. The battery being out of her phone that night, could mean:
a) She DID NOT want to be bothered by the perp while attending the concert or
b)the perp removed it to try to remove himself from contact with Morgan, as in, “Of course I couldn’t reach her, she takes her battery out whenever she doesn’t want to be bothered. I was worried about her myself, etc.”
And to me DOES MEAN that:
c) If the battery was not removed by Morgan then the perp knew her and her habits well.
I imagine if/when she talked to him she did it on her friend’s cell phone. I hope all their records are being pulled. If not linked to such a devastating situation, the story of Morgan hitting the books en route to Metallica would be hilarious. However, she was probably either being covered for (for the sake of her parents, if she was smoking a j, etc.), or was doing something that LE has warned the friends to keep under wraps: like texting the perp on one of their phones. The friends are lying on at least this point. The question is are they being told to? If so, I imagine they were caught off guard when they told this story because LE sure as hell could have made up something better.
As for the computer stuff:
Why sneak off to a library to communicate when you can borrow your friends laptop or cell phone? I don’t believe she had any secret never-met internet lovers because she is a young, intelligent, beautiful woman who probably has enough trouble handling all of the interest of males in real life.
I forgot to mention one more thing:
DH buying tickets for Morgan and co. also had me raising an eyebrow. Sure, it could be that he has the money and wants to treat his daughter and friends but it could also be that he is trying to have some sort of control over who Morgan goes with.
I am not trying to make him seem a tyrant. If I were Morgan’s keeper I would be an overprotective nervous wreck. I cannot imagine having such a vibrant daughter and then having to turn her over to a world where innocence, beauty and justice get stampeded over on the daily.
I am a mom and I know when something isn’t right with my kids. Call it intuition or invisible strings…I don’t know. My husband calls it “neurosis” ;P But I feel some alert go off inside me when they are sick or have hurt themselves at recess, etc.
I wonder if that is why he bought the tickets? Was something not “feeling” right about the concert or who might be there and he wanted to do all he could to assure her safety?
TY
B
Hey, Mandy, post 880 — DH buying tickets for Morgan and co. also had me raising an eyebrow. Sure, it could be that he has the money and wants to treat his daughter and friends but it could also be that he is trying to have some sort of control over who Morgan goes with. <<<
I’m a single mom and believe me I don’t have any extra money — ever — but my child had been pining to see Metallica live for three years, and when I learned they were coming to JPJ for the US tour, I began saving money — I bought them in a pre-sale (called keeping up with the Joneses) and because they were floor seats, they were, after fees, around $200 a pop — I bought 2 tickets because I sure as hell wasn’t going to sit there w/ my kid — it was bad enough being across the street, behind a building — and this was my child’s graduation present — it was as much a part of the gift of him going w/ another die-hard Metallica fan as it was that he went at all —
– and just to answer the ticket stub question — when I purchased the tickets, they told me he had to have his ticket on him at all times, and that no one would be admitted to the floor unless they had floor seats — there was also an area in front of the stage you could buy to stand there on the floor but I bought him a seat because — dumb me — thought he’d actually sit in them — ha — and on the way home when they told me they never sat in their seats and stood the whole time and they thought they saw someone else sitting in the seats, when they left to grab something to eat before Gojira took the stage and returned, they had to show their tickets to an “usher” — not the right word, but don’t know what else to call ‘em — to be allowed back on the floor.
Again, only speculation, maybe Dr. H was giving Morgan the gift, and buying the other two tickets to ensure she had someone to go w/ and be “safe” driving down and home — safety in numbers — : (
Comment by Katesro — December 10, 2009 @ 1:07 am
I noticed those comments some time ago. Not sure if related. I have noticed sometimes strange people post “love” letters or possibly writing music in comment sections. It is good to note, but it could be anyone. Thx
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I did want to touch on the studying while on her way to the concert. I actually find it very possible that she was studying on her way with the friends.
Morgan seems to be a well put together girl. She was close with her parents, volunteering her summers to working with children of violence and an education major. I think she cared very much about her schoolwork. I read somewhere that she was studying for an exam that was coming up. So very possible.
I am sure she also liked to have fun but knew that she had to be back to her parents house by noon for finances and help with homework.
She was either on a short leash or just very close with her family. I have been there on both sides. Usually when you are in trouble finacially (in college) is when you are “closest” to your parents (assuming they are the “bank” for her)
RE: Cadillac (I have been reading here for quite some time and was curious…can you tell us how many crimes have been solved or led to a solution? I have no motive – just a curious interest in what kind of outcome these type of sites have on the solution of an issue?)
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I can tell you that these types of discussions/ forums DO assist LE.
My sister and I hounded a small town ( Culpeper, Va) LE agency as well as several local newspaper writers for weeks to put pressure to look at LINKS between the murders in Richmond of 2 families( New Years Day massacre of Bryan & Kathryn Harvey and daughters) and Tucker family to the death of Sheryl Warner in Culpeper, Va a few weeks earlier…Did we solve the crime ? All I know: we hounded them into looking into the link——and it proved to be the same 2 MUTANTS who slaughtered ALL of these individuals ( as well as another woman in Pa)…This type of forum is crucial.I am blown away by the depth of thinking/ analyzation by the posters here. Alot of caring people. Alot of time and good work.
I still feel highly suspicious of several posters who recently visited…Just a gut feeling, but I hope and pray that LE has visited with atleast one of them and determined where he was that night..I think we all know who I am referring to.
Blink, YOU GO GIRL.
about pre-paid phones — my child has a pre-paid phone — because he wanted a phone to talk and text and at the time he had a job and I said, if you want a more-access phone, then you gotta pay for it, I’m not going to sign a two-year contract and then you quit your job and I’m stuck paying the bill — he has Ntelos, which he has unlimited calling w/in their network — most of Va. and some of WVA and unlimited text to ayone — for $50 a month — plus they were having a special and he got a phone w/ that qwerty keyboard for free — and for christmas I am updating his phone and moving him over to the “Frawg” network — same unlimited calling w/in the area and unlimited text and data anywhere for $40 a month — plus anyone can call his phone from any phone/service and he doesn’t pay for it and all of his friends are w/in the calling area —
for us, it was a better purchase than any other plan I found — so you really don’t have to be the dregs of society to have a pre-paid phone : )
Nothing to add to the Harrington theories, but FYI: David Metzler and Heidi Childs were both sophomores. See http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/216886 Other news articles also mention that both lived off campus. See http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/montgomery_county_sheriffs_office_investigating_after_two_bodies_found/44453/
lapiz:
Great post! Pulling the ole switcheroo! I have to admit I have thought about that as well (especially in the very beginning when I thought she ran away). It would certainly make for a great movie! (‘Wild Things’ anyone?)
The Dee Factor…
I have personally disregarded all the “sightings” and “stories” except the bb players.
Now where will that put us?
Last real known whereabouts are the RV lot, right?
Which is also the exact place her purse was found.
I don’t really find it odd that Mr. Harrington purchased the 4 tickets. It’s been some time since I was a student, but I can remember that it would have been hard for me to fork out $320 for 4 tickets (to assure all were sitting together they would probably have to be purchased in one transaction.)Even today, when my husband and I want to go to concerts with friends or family, one person usually buys all tickets and then is reimbursed by other members of the group. I do agree with other posters that it does seem that there was some sort of an issue between Morgan and her family that had caused a rift in the past. It could have been an unacceptable boyfriend in the eyes of the parents, a continuing association with what they thought were the wrong “type” of friends (changing of high school), unacceptable grades (study for math test with father), drug or alcohol abuse, or something as simple as poor money management (help from father with checking account.) Maybe I was lucky my parents never knew about all of my activities, but some of the most heated discussions we had when they were supplying all or part of my support was about spending money. I know this doesn’t provide any insight into what might have happened to Morgan, but did want to add one opinion that not all actions of Mr. and Mrs. Harrington fall under the category of strange. I would hazard a guess that a lot of people Morgan’s age are subject to more parental control than they ever admit to their friends.
Excuse me, I tend to think of Morgan’s father as Mr. Harrington, but I believe he should be referred to as Dr. Harrington.
What is bothering me – LE’s statement that they have no evidence as of yet (supposedly) that any foul play occured. YET, they are asking the parents for DNA samples.
Does anyone know if LE usually requests DNA samples unless they have something to compare against?
a news update today: http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/223797 Nothing new really…………..
Fish and Sue, like the dental records the Harringtons recently provided (see post #588 above for Blink’s comment on that), I think the DNA is needed to go into a missing persons database. That’s what Gil basically says in her (often startlingly morbid) blog:
(snip) “Virginia state police here to collect buccal swabs for DNA. I’m happy to have the information in the registry, but so sad to watch them collect the samples from Dan. He looked like a baby bird with its mouth open wide having the cheek swabs done. Or is it that he looked like a chicken with its neck stretched out for the chopping block?”
Re: Chad’s comment #1888. This link leads to a report dated October 25th about Comfort Inn tip. Is there a current story from the Roanoke paper? It’s pretty much disappeared from regular reporting here in Charlottesville. I haven’t had a chance to read the article, but there is a report on one of our local news sites about the Harrington’s contributing DNA samples. Even if this is standard procedure, I just cannot imagine how upsetting it must be to the parents, knowing why DNA would possibly be needed. I know they continue to hope their daughter is alive, but the fear is always there that today will be the day their worst fears are confirmed. Hopes and prayers for all concerned.
I have read and reread most of the posted theories and I still can not get myself to believe that Morgan was secretly meeting someone there.
If she was going to meet someone why set a meeting an hour or more into the concert and before the main attraction (her favorite band)
takes the stage?
If that person was so into to Morgan as she was apparently into him
why would they not buy a ticket attend the concert with her. It is not as if her friends are going to go to her parents and tell them that she was with this guy, even if they didn’t approve of him friends don’t do that.
If she planned on meeting him outside why not in front of the arena, why would she be out wondering around by herself? The only verifiable sighting was by BB players and from what I understand they stated she was alone.
If her secret meeting person drove there, why would he not pick her up right in front. The concert had already started. It’s not as if there would be thousands of people roaming around in front of that arena.
Security personnel; If she was escorted out of the arena and had friends that are security personnel why couldn’t they get her back into the concert? Also, if she was the girl with the four guys in black, I think whoever made this sighting would have recognized uniforms of security personnel (if that is indeed what they were). Not just guys wearing black.
The one post (can’t remember which one) had a very insightful teenage daughter. Stated that Morgan’s battery may have died, she removed it herself and was trying to find someone who had a similar phone to borrow their battery. Now I can see that happening. It would do her no good to borrow someones phone if all her contact numbers are locked inside a phone that she could not access. I have over 300 phone numbers in my phone and I only know 3 of those by heart. And those only because they are on my bill.
The reality of it is, at this point LE has more information than any of us by a long shot. And still no arrest.
I too have my theories of what may have happened to Morgan that night that I have already posted. But even mine are based on nothing more than hypothetical conjecture.
I just hope that LE has a POI and are watching every step, every breath, every move that SOB makes. Because he will at some point make a mistake and Morgan will have justice.
Top o’ the morning to everyone.
Mizz Chad, in re: (1860)
“I am so inclined to think that this was a ‘planned meeting’ between Morgan and her abductor. . I do think that he was somewhere in between a stranger and a known “F”. … If you will refer to observers scenario in previous posts, she met “F” on line at some point prior to the concert. She has met him on line, but hasn’t met him in person yet. Wants to introduce “F” to friends at concert. …
J2k- could it be possible that they had an arranged meeting time to meet at “X”, as well as a special outfit that she insisted on wearing to which he could indentify her? Which would have placed her outside of the arena? I believe this was a ‘big day’ for Morgan to meet him.”
I believe Observer was speculating in regard to the online “F” meet-up. It’s certainly possible, and it fits the working theory you both share that her outside-arena interaction that night was with someone in-between a friend and a stranger. I agree – to a point. I think “unknown assailant targeting lone woman” was ruled out becasue LE established she knew – in some way – and willingly went with/called-for-a-ride someone she knew in the area or whom she knew would *be* in the area that night, and this person may be the POI.
You are presenting a very specific scenario involving a special outfit for this person she was meeting for the first time at the concert – and not even *in* the concert. Out. (Just a tad odd, imo.) If she was so excited, why didn’t MH tell her mom about the exciting new man when she was trying on outfits with Gil for the concert? I’m 30, but I met my fiance online years ago and wasn’t afraid to tell my mom (though I revealed it somewhat sheepishly). Friends didn’t know … either?
In my experience, it’s more likely she was simply excited about going to the “concert of the year” (for her and her friends), and wanted to look hot, in a Metallica kind of way. Her dad bought the tix, the fam knew she was looking forward to it for months – it was a big deal in and of itself *without* a secret rendezvous outside the show with a person she never met face-to-face before.
But, in the end, your guess is as good as mine, as far as what her intentions were that night.
You also note:
“I believe also that Dee is playing with your mind J2k. She is playing with all of our minds. Dee was indeed escorted out of the arena by security.”
I don’t think Dee is messing with our minds – I think all of the bits of information swirling about (to use your excellent imagery) are what’s messing with our heads. Dee was not escorted out – she is seen on video taken during the Metallica concert *inside* the arena. And, while you note, “Dee has not come forward with information of any of these sightings that she says are her,” she, indeed, has repeatedly identified herself publically (FB/news interview) as the blonde in black caught on video of the show (which you actually opint to later in your post). It’s not on the record she was escorted out (I checked); it’s speculation. Plus, (could be a mute point) but she and her friends called SS & Co. after the show to post-party.
It is remotely possible she and her guy pals were cavorting about outside between 9 pm and 9:15, seen by a witness and mistaken for MH, but I believe it’s been established she was inside for the LOG set, too, and if there’s one definitive we’re working with here, it’s that once you’re *out* of the JPJ, there’s no getting back in.
So, likely not Dee walking toward/in RV lot; possibly MH; possibly another pretty blonde, black-clad look alike in MH’s exact vicinity at the same time. Or, it was MH, and the joking, friendly herd she joined was irrelevant to the rest of her night/disappearence.
Lastly, Chad, in re:
“The ‘Dee factor’ completely complicates our timeline, and and also possible scenarios put into play here on this board. I honestly wish the Dee factor didn’t exist to be quite frank.”
I agree with the latter, but not the former. The timeline has been established by LE, and would not have been put forth if not verifiably accurate. Dee or no Dee. Though, I too, feel her presence adds yet another layer of confusion to the whole situation. But, I can assure you I’m past the “Dee factor.”
The only reason I’ve speculated that it *was* MH the witness saw with the four men is because, if so, she’d be with people who may have been witnesses/POIs. That said, I’m sure if there was any veracity to the sighting, LE would have unearthed the relevance (hopefully) by now. I’m *working* on getting past this factor, and wish someone here would completely debunk it (if they haven’t already and I missed it.)
What is new to me is the article chad posted #888 says the FBI has joined the search. I think that is a good thing. I always wondered about the sightings of Morgan and Dee there to complicate things. It seems to me LE would have verified all of the sightings with Dee. I do find it strange that Dee knew Morgan’s friends. What are the odds of someone looking so much like Morgan and wearing a similar outfit? Who knows. I do not think Morgan ran off. I believe she was abducted or something happened prior to the Concert. Still not completely sure that Morgan was at the concert. I go back and forth on this and will probably not completely believe it unitil they actually produce a valid video. Morgan seemed like a wonderful girl beautiful and smart, but I think she did have a wild side. Who didn’t at 20. I did. Doesn’t make her bad but it could have contributed to what happened. I hope the FBI helps the case. I have more confidence in them. Sorry.
Blink. In case you ever wonder who we are that read your site, daily and sometimes all day. While at work and at home. I know why I am addicted. The interest, on my part is to not allow crimes to go either unsolved or to let the bad guy get away with it. I wish I were more like the lady, I’m bad with names, whose boat was rammed by a large vessel and she survived although her family perished. How she has the capacity to let go of revenge (?) or the pursuit of justice. I wish I could do that. My new neighbors conspired to burn our house under construction down…and did burn it down. We know it and I believe LE knows it. The SAO tells me we don’t have enough evidence. I see mounts of circumstantial evidence…but SAO doesn’t so…. no go. I became a pest to the State Fire Marshal to the point they told me to either get therapy or go away and watch Judge Wopner. I stay in touch with them now for the past 3 ½ years even though they sigh when they hear my voice, and the SFM is never available to talk to me. I send a fax with new circumstantial events, almost weekly…but they don’t respond. They tell me I should be happy that the insurance repaid us and we rebuilt our house. I live next to hostile neighbors. It was our Sept 11th…albeit thank God no lives were lost. SFM and LE consider me a cry baby. These neighbors continue to try to interfere with us. We try to ignore it and I report each and every incident. I have had dead cats hanging by the neck in our trees, nails in the driveway etc. LE is no help because we can’t prove anything. We had cameras for 2 years, but changing batteries and cards got to be real troublesome. I think that is why I have become obsessed with both Casey Anthony and poor Morgan Harrington. The BG can’t be allowed to get away with their crimes otherwise we will all lose faith in the justice system. Oh and BTW, I think all babies should have a GPS implant, for life. I used to believe everyone was good. Now I’m afraid that either the world is changing for the very bad, or it’s always been like this and I was just living in la la land. No, it’s the latter. The world has always had bad, even still there is so much good. hummm we are complicated beings. Thank you for your desire to pursue justice.
I am 70 miles from the Nation’s Capital USA
Sorry all, disregard the bad link I posted above.