Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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Quote-Liam Fahy-”My opinions are just food for thought and if wrong mean no harm to anybody, silence sometimes speaks more than any words…..” I’m sorry but I cannot agree with you about “no harm to anybody.” You made a direct statement that in your opinion one of 14 or 15 young men “abducted and murdered Morgan Harrington” with absolutely no knowledge of what actually occurred. It’s only speculation on everyone’s part that the 1 suspension and 1 leave of absence from the basketball team involved Morgan’s disappearance. Perhaps they were as a result of events of that night, but I don’t know, and I really do not believe you know. Having read similar and more obnoxious statements on one of our local forums, I don’t question why the players involved have not come forward. I don’t question why a number of witnesses who thought they saw Morgan have remained anonymous. We often wonder when a crime occurs why people don’t want to become “involved.” I think all of the speculation about the friends who accompanied Morgan, Dee and her friends, members of security, unnamed basketball players, the man who purported to have been approached by Morgan and so on and so on answer that question. Get your name or some hint of your identity in front of the public, and you instantly become suspect. I have no doubt at all that if LE believe any stories are not as they seem, the person(s) are under surveillance be it friends, basketball players, or other persons as yet unknown. To label anyone at this point a murderer, when it’s not absolutely clear a crime has even been committed is wrong and to my mind cruel. If this poor girl is never found, how many people will always secretly think that this innocent person or that innocent person got away with murder. Would you want to live with such a stigma perhaps for the rest of your life if you were a young 20 something college student such as members of the basketball team? Whichever players spoke to the young lady in the RV lot obviously know that they are in the unenviable position of being perhaps the last (other than the perpetrator) to see a possible kidnap and murder victim. They aren’t stupid, they know it puts them right in the spotlight. Many young men and women can’t handle the pressure of being students athletes, even without being pointed at as a possible kidnapper/murderer. Would I put myself out there in front of the public, I don’t know, but my thought is no!
to zarpisimo #1924 – From reading online, I took it that coal cars were unloaded automatically out the bottom onto a conveyor in a matter of seconds. I wondered if a possible hit-and-run could throw someone off the bridge? How fast does the traffic move across that bridge?
It would be helpful if someone knew where to check and could say, “nope, no train that night”.
While the public has been told that the BB players could speak if they wish to, I’ll be that isn’t what the coach said. I am sure that Coach Bennett has told them to keep their mouths shut, except to LE.
I have finally read all the post’s on this thread, it only took about two week’s! Me and my husband took our 15 yr old son to see Metallica on the first leg of this tour. It was alot of fun and very tame except everyone was drinking. I have seen them 5 time’s now and this was the first time you could drink at a metallica concert.Back in the 90′s this band was real heavy, now Lamb of God is heavy. I was listening to them on the radio today taking the kid’s to school, pretty good remind’s me alot of the way Pantera use to sound when the were big. Morgan definately liked Lamb of God more than Metallica! Maybe that is why she left early and then realized she didn’t have her key’s?
To Sherri (#1885) Thank you for the response – that is what I was hoping was happening with the “brainstorming” on this site.
So how does LE know this is just an isolated incident???
NO POI! STILL DON’T KNOW IF MH WAS A VICTIM OF FOUL PLAY!
Virginia State Police Say Key Information on Morgan Harrington is Still Missing
Police tell the Newsplex there are still many unknowns in Morgan Harrington’s disappearance. They are continuing the investigation using all of their resources. According to the FindMorgan website, State Police collected DNA from both Dan and Gil Harrington shortly after Thanksgiving.
December 10, 2009
Spokeswoman for the Virginia State Police compared the Morgan Harrington investigation to a jig-saw puzzle. They have certain pieces of information, but, the evidence does not add up yet.
The police are constantly reviewing and analyzing the 600 tips they have received in the last two months.
Police are working closely with the family. According to the FindMorgan website, State Police collected DNA from both Dan and Gil Harrington shortly after Thanksgiving. Before Thanksgiving, the Harringtons delivered their missing daughter’s dental records to police.
Geller says the same agencies remain involved in the investigation, such as the Virginia State Police, the University of Virginia Police, the Charlottesville Police Department, the Albemarle County Police Department, the Blacksburg Police Department, Virginia Tech Police Department and the FBI. Geller says they are pulling resources as they need them.
“It’s kind of fluid,” said Geller. “There is not a set number of people assigned to this case.”
Gellers says they do have leads. But, there is still a large gap of information missing from the night Morgan disappeared.
“We have these gaps,” said Geller. “But, we have a sighting the next morning up in the Culpeper, Orange area that could be very viable. But, unfortunately, we don’t have surveillance video. Nobody at the gas station recalls seeing her there.”
The possible Culpeper/Orange sighting is one of many leads investigators are following up on. But, the key information remains at the Copeley Road bridge where multiple people last saw Harrington trying to hitch hike.
“They may not have seen an actual young woman getting into a car,” Geller explained about people who may not realize what they saw. “But, if they just remember seeing a car stopped in the roadway on the bridge and thought, ‘Well, this is strange. Why is this vehicle stopped?’”
Geller says they do have information. But, that lead might be the missing piece they’re searching for.
Geller also says there are no persons of interest at this point and they still don’t know if Harrington fell victim to foul play.
These are just a few of the many questions that still remain about Morgan Harrington’s disappearance.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/79008717.html
Virginia State Police Say Key Information on Morgan Harrington is Still Missing – 12.10.09
Excerpt: [Geller says the same agencies remain involved in the investigation, such as the Virginia State Police, the University of Virginia Police, the Charlottesville Police Department, the Albemarle County Police Department, the Blacksburg Police Department, Virginia Tech Police Department and the FBI. Geller says they are pulling resources as they need them.]
Excerpt: [Geller says they do have leads. But, there is still a large gap of information missing from the night Morgan disappeared. "We have these gaps," said Geller. "But, we have a sighting the next morning up in the Culpeper, Orange area that could be very viable. But, unfortunately, we don't have surveillance video. Nobody at the gas station recalls seeing her there."]
Excerpt: [The possible Culpeper/Orange sighting is one of many leads investigators are following up on. But, the key information remains at the Copeley Road bridge where multiple people last saw Harrington trying to hitch hike."They may not have seen an actual young woman getting into a car," Geller explained about people who may not realize what they saw. "But, if they just remember seeing a car stopped in the roadway on the bridge and thought, 'Well, this is strange. Why is this vehicle stopped?'"]
Excerpt: [Geller says they do have information. But, that lead might be the missing piece they're searching for. Geller also says there are no persons of interest at this point and they still don't know if Harrington fell victim to foul play.]
Source: Newsplex: http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/79008717.html
Hey blink, not sure if you saw this but a composite and vehicle description were just released in the disappeareance case of Kristi Cornwell. She disappeared from Ranger, NC several months ago, apparently happened around 9 pm at night.
Here is the link for the article:
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=138523&catid=3
I am not sure if this is related to the MH case or not but I wonder…
Meant to say I’ll bet that isn’t what the coach said.
@1922 Comment by JustDesserts — December 10, 2009 @ 3:16 pm
Justdesserts, i think you have a totally wrong idea about Metal Music. I’ve been a Metal fan ever since i was 12 years old. I’m 29 now. Metallica was my FAVOURITE band. Pantera and other bands were close behind. They made me want to learn guitar and start a metal band.I never was a fanatic and certainly am not now. About anything. fanaticism is bad in every subject, (religion, nationalism, music, race, politics, etc etc). I love classical music, brit pop, grunge, 50′s 60′s and 70′s music, etc etc. i love good music – always subjective to each others taste. That said, i cried at my first metallica show, it was raining, during “one” – a metallica song about a person strugling with a Coma – my mother had died months before after being in a coma. That’s what music does, it gets us trough good and bad moments in our lifes. When someone dies, when you’re in love, when you break up. Music helps you. Music is a constructor, not a destructor. I know people that dislike Heavy Metal yet they still say that Metal fans are the best crowd in a concert. The most gentile and caring about each other. It’s like a tribe. It’s their special show. And everyone should have a good time.
What i mean is, Don’t make this a music genre thing… cuz it really isn’t. Violence didn’t began in the 80′s and 90′s. Violence began with living beings. Jack the Stripper didn’t like Pantera, he probably loved Mozart and Beethoven, Michael Bolton and Celine Dion fans kill people too, Boys bands and girl bands and their predictable love rymes cheat people too, Muslim terrorists hate metal – heck the american military even tortured them in prision by playing Metallica loud ( curiously ), Lots of 12 year old girls love MTV Hip Hop bands and videos who degradate women and glorify misogyny and crime.
I mean, it’s not a musical genre thing. It’s a Human thing.
That said, i welcome all your other theories
@1930 Comment by AtotheK — December 10, 2009 @ 4:06 pm
Right on ATotheK!!! sometimes music is just music and lyrics are just words.
@1934 Comment by J2K — December 10, 2009 @ 4:48 pm
Great question. About the meaning of “TIA”. I was wondering that myself for some time now. But i was afraid that if i asked i was going to look stupid… So, thank you for being the Martyr for all us “stupids” out here
…..
Again, excuse any grammar mistakes i might have made
Also there is sometime’s a way to get back into concert’s once ejected. My husband and I and another couple were at this concert and while me and my friend went and used the restroom my husband was trying to get in a v.i.p room and security caught him! When I came out of the restroom they were dragging him off! If I wouldn’t have come out right then I would of had no idea where he had gone!That fast! No cell phone’s with us cuz you can’t hear them at the concert!!!! Luckily I saw him and left voluntarily with him, told our freind’s we would see them after. Went out and then to smoking area, hopped the fence and were back in our seat’s 10 minute’s later.
Blink: Great site
This is what’s puzzling me:
If all those close friends had nothing to do with it or really don’t know what happened, and LE seems to be making no progress on this that we know of, it seems to me that they would be talking by now. Out of concern for MH and her parents, hoping that someone would have seen something. I can see being quiet at the beginning, especially if they were asked to do so, but with no news this long I’m surprised the friends she was with that night didn’t release all the info, pictures whatever they had to the public. It may jog someone’s memory and also would shed a very different light on the girls that, so far, seems like they left her to fend for herself.
If she was impaired enough to get kicked out of the concert, they must have known she was too impaired to be on her own. And yet they did nothing.
Right now any news would be extremely beneficial in keeping MH in everyone’s mind, especially since it’s gone on so long with no resolution. I keep reading this great forum and all the possible scenarios and I can’t help thinking that the friends she was with hold the answers to a whole lot of questions.
Lollol… my @1941 post…when you read “Jack the Stripper”… I meant to say “Jack the Ripper” as i’m sure you got it… lol, i’m really laughing out loud. Sorry about that
I was thinking what if when Morgan was walking in parking lot after texting friend’s inside that she had a ride, someone asked if they could use *her phone* and when doing so took her battery out before handing it back to her leaving her very vulnerable later! No way for her to call anyone (when ride or bf dosen’t show up) for help. What do you think?
whoops @1957 post.. person never actually call’s anyone.
@ St Anger
Re:Hey blink, not sure if you saw this but a composite and vehicle description were just released in the disappeareance case of Kristi Cornwell. She disappeared from Ranger, NC several months ago, apparently happened around 9 pm at night.
That is great news! Kristi Cornwell actually disappeared from Blairsville, Ga not too far from me. She was on her cell phone with her boyfriend when she was abducted and her cell phone was thrown out not far from where she was taken.
Christy S., I think we have no way of knowing what the friends have told the police, her parents, etc. Seems like someone (LE? their own parents? their lawyers?) has told them not to talk to the public about it, that’s for sure. Hopefully LE has learned from the friends everything that went on that night, as well as during the days and months leading up to it, even if we are not privy to the info.
guyfromportugal, I loved jack the stripper!
mammasitta, according to Blink, Morgan was texting the unidentified male (the out of town dude) until 9:20 pm, and if she was really seen hitchhiking on the bridge at 9:30 pm, that doesn’t leave a whole lot of time for someone to snatch her battery–but since we know so little about the events of that night for sure, who knows.
ok. if liam says her friends stayed at uva that night, i think we should re-visit the emergency medical call made from the west lawn of campus in the middle of that same night. it is still “active”, according to the police blotter????
also, there were several arrests made at the arena the same evening, so police presence must have been highly visible….
Love the site Blink! Long time reader. I have a scenario. What if Morgan left of her own free will as “justdesserts” proposed? To be with someone she could otherwise not freely be with. If the police know this or eventually find this out what, if any, obligation to they have to tell the parents “yes we found her and she’s living with some guy”. She is 20 years old, an adult albeit a very young adult. You can’t arrest her or the guy as no crime has been committed. Where does personal privacy play into this? From a law perspective? Would love for the lawyers on here to way in. As I’ve often seen on TV shows and movies the cops often say “there is nothing we can do they are an adult”. If this is the case it would explain why LE still says there is no evidence that a crime has occurred and it would explain the apparent standstill this case has come to.
mosaic ( re: 1949)
I’m not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV), but just because a missing person made a call to X before they went missing – and LE saw, say, a “come pick me up — I’ll be here” text on their phone with a response from X agreeing to such, does not man they can swoop in on X and search their car or home or property or anything else – that takes a warrant. And, as those on this thread more familiar with the painstaking processes required before such a document is granted have stated, that is far from a simple request. You need to prove to a judge that that there is probably cause X was involved in/committed a crime against the victim. The double-whammy in this case is that there isn’t even technically a victim until they find a body. So there would have to be tangible evidence that X had disappearance-resulting interaction with MH to search *anything that belonged to him/them.
Put it to you this way (hypothetically): when LE saw X from Harrisonburg was clearly asked to and agreed to pick MH up in Cville that night – everything down to “I’m almost there,” — and LE interviewed X, as soon as X says, “Nah, man – I got down there to pick her up and she never showed. Tried calling her, and her phone was dead. That’s all I can tell you, detective. I just went home.”
That. Is. It. Until LE has more to go on. Thus, “circumstantial” – circumstances point to X, but evidence proving X’s involvement or direct witnesses have yet to surface. I imagine in a case like this it is much more frustrating for LE than it is for us. And you *know* how frustrated we are.
I don’t post comments often. Just wanted to say while there are bad people out there in the world, it’s such a beautiful thing that so many spend their time giving thought and consideration to someone else. Thanks to all of you for your thoughtful posts and for showing there is much good in the world too.
That there is Watch, thanks for the reminder.
B
suz, so much for that scenerio if Blink say’s she was texting until 9:20 then she is already with bb player’s by then? Missing battery is driving me crazy! almost as much as the blinking this is not a joke box!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder what happen’s if I click here?
GuyfromPortugal:
I’ve meant to note in a comment that you’ve put out some good posts (such as # 1865, as well as good points made about misunderstandings of “metal heads” – #1959). I never noticed a need for you to “pardon” your English. (Didn’t even notice “Jack the Stripper – but wish I had!) Your questions/observations/speculations are all sharp and well-articulated.
I believe LE has a POI, but, as I noted in my recent posts, the equity inherent in the american justice system mean that, even so, it is not easy in a complex, circumstantial case like this – with no body and no smoking gun – the engine of the case may be stalled because it’s out of gas. Something/someone must add more fuel if we want to see it progress and catch up to the POI.
As far as the post-script of # 1959 (re: the meaning of “TIA”), I’m never too proud to ask the stupid questiosn – indeed I make part of my living doing just that. [read: I don't make a lot of money]
I can assure you and everyone else holding back their questionable queries that I will unfailingly wave the “Um, this may be a silly question, but…” flag. Count on it.
Guyfromportugal, right on! I am with you on metal and your thoughts abouts Metallica, except for the part WAS your favorite band (should be IS! = ). For example the song Mamasaid off the load album was written by James Hetfield in relation to the loss of his mother from cancer, which really hit home for me because I lost my mother to cancer around the same time. Even when I hear it now still I get watery eyed. I do also like other music too, a wide range in fact.
I don’t agree with JustDesserts 1922 generalization of metal but I wonder if MH was really there to see metallica or the opening acts.
1916 Abi – You make a good point. I have liked metallica since ’89 and saw them on this most recent tour a couple of times in Florida. I had never heard of LoG nor Gojira before this tour, nor have I any inclination to see them perform. In fact for both ‘tallica concerts I totally happily skipped the opening acts.
I agree that if MH was being so closely monitored by her folks that Metallica is much more mainstream and she would have had an easier time getting them to buy her tickets rather then saying she wanted to see some band called Lamb of God. Interestingly I found out that LoG is from Richmond, Va, and have been around since 1994, so it is quite possible that MH was a fan of theirs too or really went to see them.
@1965 RNmom my apologies on the mistake you are correct on the blairsville, ga disappearance. My confusion came in because apparently the composite was linked to another attempted attack that also happened around 9 pm, which was in Ranger, NC. Witness confirmed the composite was similar to her attacker.
Correct me if I am mistaken on this info. but I saw it on the local news tonight too. I heard the newscaster say composite was linked to a 3rd case of a roadside attack, but it was not MH’s case. The woman was fixing her car when this same d-bag tried to attack her. Thank God she was able to fight him off and get away.
Blink your counter is off! I have been the 100,000 visitor at least 10 times ; )
Blink – I’m an awfffffulz [sic] typer, and usually rely on scanning though my posts just before sending them in to catch all of the typo errors. This week, I have not had the luxury of time, as much as I’m addicted to posting here (for better or worse). For my edification, would you switch my initial last entries with the edited versions below of my last two (#1969 and #1970), as they haven’t been moderated yet? Promise I won’t make a habit of this request. I just make myself cringe otherwise. I greatly appreciate your consideration and, hopefully, effort on my part. TIA!
1969 Comment by J2K — December 10, 2009 @ 11:56 pm
mosaic ( re: 1949):
I’m not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV), but just because a missing person made a call to X before she went missing – and LE saw, say, a “come pick me up — I’ll be here” text on her phone, with a response from X agreeing to such – does warrant. And, as those on this thread more familiar with the painstaking processes required before such a document is granted have stated, that is far from a simple request. LE needs to prove to a judge that that there is probably cause X was involved in/committed a crime against the alleged victim. The double-whammy in this case is that there isn’t technically even a victim until they find a body. So there would have to be tangible evidence that X had direct disappearance-resulting interaction with MH to search any property that belonged to him/them.
Put it to you this way (hypothetically): if LE saw “X from Harrisonburg” was clearly asked to and agreed to pick MH up in Cville that night – everything down to text back to her stating, “I’m almost there” — and LE interviewed X; as soon as X says, “Nah, man – I got down there to pick her up and she never showed. Tried calling her, and her phone was dead. That’s all I can tell you, detective. I just went home.”
That. Is. It. Until LE has more to go on. Thus, “circumstantial”: circumstances point to X, but evidence proving X’s involvement or direct witnesses signing an affidavit to such have yet to surface. I imagine in a case like this it is much more frustrating for LE than it is for us.
And you *know* how frustrated we are…
1970 Comment by J2K — December 11, 2009 @ 12:19 am
GuyfromPortugal:
I’ve meant to note in a comment that you’ve put out some good posts (such as # 1865, as well as solid points made about misunderstandings of “metal heads” – #1959). I never noticed a need for you to “pardon” your English. (Didn’t even the pick up on “Jack the Stripper – but wish I had!) Your questions/observations/speculations are all sharp and well-articulated.
I believe LE has a POI, but, as I noted in my recent posts, the equity inherent in the American justice system means that it is not easy to enact an arrest/establish a suspect in such a complex, circumstantial case like this, with no body and no smoking gun. Put another way, the engine of this case may be stalled because it’s out of gas. Something/someone must add more fuel if we want to see it progress and catch up to the POI.
As far as the post-script of # 1959 (re: the meaning of “TIA”), I’m never too proud to ask the stupid questions – indeed I make part of my living doing just that. [read: I don't make a lot of money]
I can assure you and everyone else holding back their questionable queries that I will unfailingly wave the “Um, this may be a silly question, but…” flag. Count on it.
Lol. Changing nothing. Could you be smarter or more charming? I think not.
B
My husband and I went running through town last night, all around UVa’s central grounds from Scott Stadium to the Corner, up Rugby Road, then back to Emmett. As usual, we were struck by how safe we felt in Charlottesville, even at night. We wanted to see what the atmosphere was like at JPJ around the time frame that Morgan went missing. (Skyler, we ran right by where you were parked at the Panda Garden.) There were lots of cars on Emmett at 9:15, even on a Wednesday night. We used the pedestrian bridge to cross Emmett and ran up Massie, along the side of JPJ but on the other side of the street. (There is a lot here on the left, below the McCue Center/U-Hall, where maybe Morgan’s bag was found? This, to me, would be “the lot between JPJ and the athletic fields”…the practice fields are on this side of U-Hall. The Cage lot, the other possiblity, is around the corner on the South side of U-Hall, with the track, baseball stadium, etc. just to the East.) There was nothing going on at the arena last night, but there were still plenty of lights on, and one thing that struck me was the number of emergency blue/phone lights. I remember when they were first put in we were told you could literally crawl from one to another, and that’s no joke. When standing at one, you can see at least one other nearby. From the front of JPJ you can see maybe 3 or 4 emergency lights. There would also have been at least a dozen police cars and emergency vehicles at JPJ that night, wouldn’t you say Skyler? Morgan’s sense of fear may never have kicked in, so this let her walk through the darker set of parking lots toward the bridge. There are definately trees and shadows in the U-Hall lots, but still lights and a few bus stop shelters. Concerts I’ve been to there are always people hanging out by the cars, like they’re tailgating. She must have followed others in the direction of Copeley, or thought she could find a ride out the way she came in (right J2K…that’s the way she was probably used to coming in from Roanoke…from 64 to 250, which is Ivy Road.) Maybe if she called a friend, her ride was coming from Crozet, Waynesboro, Stuarts Draft, Staunton, or Harrisonburg. Could be from anywhere out that way.
My gut still tells me that Morgan met up with someone who is not from this area, but who either came with the group of girls or was on the periphery of their party that night. I don’t think it was a random abduction, I think Morgan knew who she was leaving with. It’s interesting that Geller mentioned the Culpeper/Orange sighting in the news tonight…maybe she really was traveling North that next morning.
B – blurg! too late. Never mind. Will edit in advance if I want legible posts in the future.
Alright. The stop-delay in posts is utterly necessary on your end, but killing me softly. Sorry for wasting space with my vanity on such an important thread. Thank you, B (and not in advance).
Meant to comment on this earlier…
Many church organizations provide housing to their pastors/leaders/clergy. If an actual home is not provided, a housing allowance is supplied. Both styles benefit the workers, but if the home is in a marketable area, the church professional is quasi-mobile, the housing allowance is the better option.
(Ahem,…it’s not taxable income either, but don’t get me started.)
It is possible that the Harringtons offered their home for their pastor because they had plenty of room, with both kids out of the house. As all three would work all day, and the reverends work a lot of nights, so it would not be very awkward at all.
The financial benefit to the church would be significant and might also be considered a “gift in kind” or part of the H’s tithe to the church.
Also, if this pastor is part of a multiple staff who is needed to create new programs, etc, there may only be enough budget for her salary.
Just a snack option for you all, if not real food for thought.
And before I sign off….Liam, I gave you space because of the Irish Isle, but you need to know this is not a game. There are way too many smart bitches on here who will take the Mickey out o’ ya. Or as Mum may have said, “Don’t be breaking your shin on a stool that’s not in your way.”
You really are a word girl, wow.
B
@ WG
I love it!
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And before I sign off….Liam, I gave you space because of the Irish Isle, but you need to know this is not a game. There are way too many smart bitches on here who will take the Mickey out o’ ya. Or as Mum may have said, “Don’t be breaking your shin on a stool that’s not in your way.”
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J2K – post from way back up there – LE can ask “Do you mind if we search your car?” and the POI/suspect can say “sure, I’ve got nothing to hide”. They don’t need a warrant unless the person refuses. If Morgan had been in the car before, there would have to be blood or some other sign of a crime in the car to hold that person for questioning. Morgan’s DNA wouldn’t be enough.
Hello Doug up there, about the bridge and train schedule…that was what came to my husband’s mind as we crossed Copeley the other night. The railing on the bridge is so low that it comes to just above mid-thigh on me, and I think I’m about Morgan’s height. Not much heavier, but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen 120. I’ve always been nervous on that bridge because I’m scared of heights…I don’t know how more people haven’t fallen off. It’s not a stretch to imagine a wobbly Morgan leaning just barely over the edge…and I do know that many trains go through with empty cars…these would not be passanger trains, so I wouldn’t know where to check. I’m sure LE has looked in to this?
>>>Comment by RNmom — December 10, 2009 @ 7:32 pm
@ Skylar <<<
sorry if I spoke out of turn — I did think you were addressing everyone on the board — and I agree with you a thousand percent — even — *if* — Morgan put herself in a vulnerable position, no one has the right to take advantage of that and take that next step and cause her harm.
I don’t ask anyone else in the world to believe as I do, but I believe in God, and that good does make efforts to intervene — one case I did early on in my career — this was back when tolls were on I-95 thru Richmond. A beautiful young girl’s car broke down on one of the exits north of richmond — she called her motor club and a tow truck driver came — a mother in a station wagon pulled up and pleaded with her to come with her, she would take her and wait until a friend could pick her up — the girl refused because she felt safe with the tow truck guy — tow truck guy, who was just gross looking — was not “safe” and drove her around for about 2 hrs. — picked up a crow bar and held it over her head and made her get down in the floor board while he drove thru the tollbooths — then took her to a remote area and raped her — when they were driving back thru yet another tollbooth, she got free — so not only did she have to go thru the actual event, she had to go to the hospital for a rape test — I only covered the preliminary hearing, which the judge put him in jail without bail — but then she had to tell her story yet again for the trial and have a defense atty badger everything she said —
Morgan had interaction with all of these people — we don’t know what they said, other than the few public reports — I personally believe that “good” was trying to intervene because “bad” was coming.
Blink, if I may pose a rhetorical question to everyone reading this board — no one has to answer — but how has this event changed your life ? If you had seen a drunk/stoned girl, clad in all black, stumbling around in the parking lot of an arena where a heavy metal band was playing — and I cannot over-emphasize the fact about how loud it was from outside — would you have stopped to intervene ? Say you had your kids in the car and saw her HH’g on the bridge, would you have stopped and said: girl, you can’t be HH’g, let me help you ?
that’s NOT directed at you, RNmom —
Because of all the crummy stuff I have heard in my career, if I had seen Morgan either HH’g — or if I had seen her HH’g and the car was stopped in front of me and she was getting in — I would have done something — I certainly would have picked her up on the bridge — stoned or not — I’m not a hero, I’m not a martyr — I just know how terrible one human being can be to another —
I grew up in a very small, rural college town, in a cacooned environment where in my world people were safe — then I grew up and went to work in the legal field —
Here are some stats — 1 out of every 5 people were molested as a child and usually by a parent, relative or close family friend — it used to be 1 out of every 3 — spanning across every race and socio-economic level —
go to your kid’s Christmas play — more than one of those smiling parents are molesting their kid —
I do not know the current stats, but it used to be that 90 % of rapes go unreported — which includes rapes of young boys — On the very night of Morgan’s disappearance, there was a reported rape not far from JPJ arena —
Again, Rnmom, my post is not directed at you at all — and I do, tremendously so, respect the posters on this board, and your obvious care and concern for Morgan and her family, but now that we’ve suffered thru almost two months of no news of Morgan — how, if any, has this case affected your life ? What will you do in the future to be that “good” that thwarts evil from happening ?
J2K #1976 — As you can see I am not familiar with the painstaking process of obtaining a search warrant — (gosh, you would think communication arranging for a ride on the phone of a missing girl would be enough).
My turn to ask the “stupid” question…LOL…(and really, I am not trying to be the devil’s advocate, but rather trying to make sense of a nonsensical situation — admittedly, the law is not my forte):
*IF* there is communication on her phone that indicates she made arrangements with someone to come pick her up *and* that person upon interview stated “Nah…I went to pick her up and she wasn’t there” (or something along those lines) *and* LE does not have enough evidence to obtain a warrant to search said person’s car *then* wouldn’t that person be considered a POI?
I understand that for LE to make a statement that they have a POI is a hefty step and not likely something they would do unless a significant number of pieces to the puzzle were falling into place. (I think I just answered my own question.)
1895,I hear you and appreciate your post.The first thing I did as an adult was try to raise young men(4) that had self respect as well as respect for others.Especially women and children.We have one daughter 11 years younger than the youngest son.I wish I was lucky enough to have had brothers like she does.
I drive 1hr round trip every day to school on 3 different interstates and I’ve called 911 for a variety of reasons.Every thing from seeing a woman with a flat tire to seeing a man beat a woman passenger in a truck.
I would have helped Morgan.Always keep a cell phone charged and ready is my motto.R
#1539, #1796, #1928, #1943
I know that no one wants to believe that something bad “just happened” to a bright, beautiful, unselfish young lady in the prime of her life. That goes against every thing that is good in the world. The natural reaction is to “blame” a BG, the friends, SOMEONE! But sometimes, things DO just happen. . .Maybe Morgan’s parents had an inkling that she was too naive for the world and thus the overprotection. . .You should at least consider the information from those closest to the night, the venue, the community where this occurred. (Lizzy, is my petticoat showing?)
@Skyler 1985: What a wonderful post. IMO, it’s not only a perfect reading for the season, but it’s about what why we’re all on the planet.
For those who think maybe MH left of her own will: while I also thought this might be a possibility, now I think not. Even if she had decided to chuck everything to go off with a new love interest and get away from parents/pastor/school/friends, and if she is of age in VA (not sure but think probably), some part of her would have wanted them not to worry about her–I think she would at least have sent a postcard mailed from a town in another direction or called from a pay phone (I’ve seen them!), telling her brother that she had to go off and be her own person, etc. This hasn’t happened.
Morning Skyler…I can say that as a mom I would definately try to help out a drunk or stoned girl if I thought she were in danger, but I probably would always have done that. Especially with my kids in the car, as I would hope they’d learn to do the same. Back in the day, when I was tough and 20, I’m sure I would have refused help…we may never know, but maybe she was offered help along the way and didn’t take it.
We’re lucky in that Charlottesville doesn’t have the rape and crime statistics of Richmond, but as you say, this is a small city and it’s definately out there. Everyone is at risk, all the time, which is why we always have to use common sense. Lock doors, never run or walk alone, look out for others, etc.
I think the nearby rape you are referring to was up on Commonwealth Drive? This is a place where students don’t, and shouldn’t go. Carson, I know you’re worried about sending your kid to a college in Virginia, but honestly, there is crime everywhere, and Charlottesville is as safe as anywhere. I bleed blue and orange, but I’ll even admit that Tech is a great school…if your kids can get into either of these schools it would be well worth sending them. Teach them to be safe no matter where they go.
Skyler #1985- If RNmom is an RN, she extends her hand to assist humanity every day. I know it was not directed at her, but just wanted to point that out. I did enjoy your post and it is food for thought. I would like to say that this also applies to being aware of the elderly who may have Alzheimer’s and are lost. I have spotted this before and walked up and down the beach with a lady who was confused and could not find her group. It was a happy ending. If only someone had extended a hand to Morgan, you are right. Let’s pledge to keep our eyes open and assist when we can. (Safely, of course.)
OYE,
What do you mean by “something just happened” to Morgan and there may not be a reason to “blame a BG”? WHAT JUST happened? She just literally disappeared?? YOU make no sense. She did not just disappear. She is not off living her life somewhere. Something bad did happen and most likely by the hands of a BG. What is your agenda?
J2K – My apologies for above post (I’m not gonna put number, they are different after the delayed posting) about warrant and searching a car. I was on my home computer and in a hurry to get to work (so I could get on here on this computer LOL) and I meant it to be more of a question than a comment, and just in case you don’t feel like looking back: If police ask someone they are interested in if they can search their car, if that person says yes then they can search it without a warrant, right? If Morgan had been in the car before this night, there would perhaps be some of her DNA, so theoretically wouldn’t mean much if they found something (unless it was definitely blood — or the battery). BUT, if the person said, no, you need a warrant, would that not cause a little more heightened suspicion and at least give LE someone to focus more on? I mean, aren’t LE at least asking?
I respect your comments.
Hi Blink and all
Today is catch up day for me, so I have spent the last two hours catching up on your sight (and others, but this one is the best).
I’d like to personally thank you Blink for all that you do and have done to keep this case alive. I think we all know that most of what is said on here are theories and speculations on all of our parts, since there are very few facts in this case. We take facts and try to piece them together with what could have possibly/actually happened. This is human nature for people who do care and want justice in this case. I’ve noticed a few negative comments on other sites about Blink on Crime. This is to be expected. Sometimes I think speculations on here have perhaps hit a little too close to home for some. Again, this is my thought, not a fact. If nothing else your sight keeps our minds working and digging for new ideas. Who knows, something said on here may spark someone’s memory of something odd they saw that night or LE’s search for new leads. And definitely gives other sites something to talk about.
It’s hard not to get discouraged when so little is actually out there, but to all who post on here please don’t stop posting. Sometimes I feel like what I have to say is so little compared to ideas that others present on here. But, our mission here is to find Morgan, whatever it takes.
Yesterday, it seemed my mind was kind of stuck on the ‘why won’t the BB players just speak up and say what they saw, heard or what Morgan approached them about.’ If they would, it would possibly lay to rest speculation on about them, so I ask myself, what or who is so important that they are willing to keep quiet? Ms. Gellar, of VA State Police stated weeks ago that it was left up to them if they want to speak. I think something else (possibly most important in their lives)is what stops them from speaking up. I feel they have been instructed to remain silent. Again speculating.
So guys and gals keep up the great work! I have seen very little negativity on here and very little hostility, (other than ‘you know who’) and for some reason he/she just can’t handle the heat.
To skyler:
I think your reference to- ‘oh, somebody asked me where I got the cigarette info — that may have come from the police and not the friends — I think you’re correct, it was reported the friends said “bathroom” in the beginning, but then it got changed to smoke a cigarette —’ This may come from the info that ‘tarheelplaya’ gave on the astrology forum which got carried over to this sight by a poster. He (tarheel) was getting questions answered for one of the astrologers by questioning a friend of the friends. One of those questions was, why did Morgan go outside? Answer was ‘to smoke a cigarette’. Hope this helps.
Now to ‘guyfromportugal’ about Jack the Stripper, lol, I didn’t even notice that when I was reading your post. Thanks for drawing that to our attention and thus, giving us a much needed laugh this morning. And for being stupid, I have forgotten what BOLO means and I’m sure it’s not baloney…( :
Long time reader, first time poster.
From all I’ve read, I tend to believe that MH was removed from the venue by security, but then I read in an earlier post that she kissed or hugged her friend before leaving the seating area when she was alledgedly going to smoke or to the bathroom? Has that been confirmed? Why would anyone kiss/hug a friend good-bye if they were only going to the restroom or to smoke? Just seems a little odd to me.
Although I believe that she may have had plans to meet up with someone later in the night, it was never her intention to miss Metallica. But the kiss/hug thing has me wondering….
Also, I wonder if there could be some arrogant connection between the “orange high top” and Orange County (or city?)?
skyler, I would NOT pick up an apparently drunk or stoned girl. No way. No more than I would pick up an apparently drunk or stoned guy. Why on earth would I presume that they would not harm me or my children?
Now I don’t think that’s what you’re suggesting, because I’m sure that it’s not a safe thing for either the driver or the apparent inebriate, to pick up a stranger or for them to allow themselves to be picked up, regardless of gender on either end.
I WOULD call the police, from my vehicle with the windows rolled up, and have done so in the past (for a guy). And if they were in immediate danger, I might try to produce a distraction to get help. (Car alarm, perhaps?)
Your posts are great, skyler, and I’m just trying to clarify for everyone’s safety.
@ concerned mom, I listed the post #’s of the information to which I am referring. If you read those, you will get the gist. . .I have no agenda actually but it is interesting to me that while posters here plead for informaton (anything, “even if it is negative”), they choose to discount and/or ridicule what is provided to them by #1 people actually present at the concert or #2: people who are familiar with members of the community in which MHs, her friends and family live and reside.
i guess live and reside are the same thing?
Open Your Eyes……do you know Morgan Harrington?