Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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OYE,
I was speaking to your quote in #1988. You STILL don’t make sense. You said people can’t accept that “something bad JUST happened” and “that bad things DO happen”. What JUST happened? What are you theorizing happened? Something “bad” then what??
J2K #1896
I think “Unknown Assailant targeting lone woman” was ruled out besause LE established she knew-in some way-and willing went with/called-for-a-ride someone she knew in the area.
???????
When did LE established this. Did I miss something? As far as I know LE are still under the assumption that Morgan was HH on the bridge. Which would indicate to me they have no idea who picked her up.
OYE.I’m not blaming the friends.Young girls going missing doesn’t just happen. There is an event,that is UNKNOWN, that took place that her parents desperately need t to know about. They have a right to know.
Why are you so dissatisfied with the fact that people are trying to put 2 and 2 together?This is done everyday,especially when the police have requested help from the public.How can you know more than the authorities and if you do, tell them.Rumor or not ,they will sort it out.I for one have NO judgments about her condition at the time she disappeared other than how it pertains to the event.
My argument is this,I’m a parent,I would hope someone would do the same for me.If indeed she made some bad choices that put her in harms way ..so what.It doesn’t change the fact that her parents need to know.And the publics right to know IF indeed someone is out there who is CAPABLE of inflicting serious harm to another human being.
If she died in the company of others NO MATTER WHAT the circumstances ,the authorities,her parents AND the public need to know.
Sober virgins are not the only people worth saving or caring about.That is my point.
mosaic, mary(too?) (re: #1971/1983/1986/1993 – warrant for POI’s car)
Good morning! First, I want to reitterate that I have no real background in law, save for clerking in a (non-criminal-related/LLC) law firm a decade ago. These questions are best directed to B or Observer (and possibly a relevantly educated lurker we’re unaware of).
But, it’s my understanding (and has been posted by the aforementioned residents experts) that in most cases, circumstantial evidence is not enough to generate a warrant.
mary, with this being such a high-profile (well, it was in the beginning) investigation, if X/textee went in for questioning, he may not have had a lawyer on retainer, but he/his family probably had one waiting on speed-dial. I’m going to venture to guess that if X denied picking MH up per the texts, explaining he/he and his friends did drive down to CV, but no MH showed up at planned pickup spot (negating the need for an alibi…plus no body yet anyway), and LE didn’t beleive him, they still could not search his car without a warrant.
I mean, if someone got pulled over and the officer suspected the person had weed in the vehicle, sure – in that situation the officer (with probable cause) could ask to search the vehicle, and if the person refused, the officer could call backup and make the driver wait for LE to get a quickie warrant; but such a situation is quite different from a criminal investigation involving a missing person. Think about it: if LE did just go on in and search X’s car with his reluctant permission under the premise of if-you-got-nothing-to-hide-than-let-us-do-a-forensic-search-of-your-vehicle, whatever they found might not even be admissable in court – even if they did uncover the “smoking gun.” No – and I defer to our legal eagles here – but they’d need that warrant and have to offer a magistrate more than some incriminating text messages to get one.
#1988, OYE wrote “I know that no one wants to believe that something bad “just happened” to a bright, beautiful, unselfish young lady in the prime of her life. That goes against every thing that is good in the world. The natural reaction is to “blame” a BG, the friends, SOMEONE! But sometimes, things DO just happen. . .Maybe Morgan’s parents had an inkling that she was too naive for the world and thus the overprotection. . .You should at least consider the information from those closest to the night, the venue, the community where this occurred. (Lizzy, is my petticoat showing?)”
Actually, OYE, no petticoat showing, whether anyone agrees with your opinion or not, this last is a reasonably polite post. And I don’t think most posters here are trying to say that Morgan absolutely had not part in putting herself in an unsafe situation. We just don’t know that. I don’t dispute that bad things happen, and that good people do stupid things. However, I don’t agree that makes her a ‘BGIRL.’
But, as concerned mom pointed out, where is she? Did she fall into a train? Did she have the strength to wander off into the wilderness and die? Go down into the steam tunnels to stay warm and fall asleep forever? Those scenarios are possible, I suppose, but not very likely, do you think? And, even with those scenarios, someone else ends up sharing some degree of culpability, according to our legal system, don’t they? Because she was underage, someone must have supplied her with the alcohol if she was drunk. Is that why no one wants to confirm her condition?
Pretty much any other scenarios that I can speculate involve, at a minimum, a witness to her disappearance/demise. So, if they were not at fault, why haven’t they come forward? Are they afraid of having to shoulder some blame?
Anyway, here’s a link to a case. Is this sort of scenario what you are implying? Or something where someone else had more of an active or witness role?
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2009/10/2_students_2_fraternities_char.html
Personally, I drank too much for the first time at about 11, and bought it myself for the first time at 13, which wasn’t unusual then/there; I was able to walk into a convenience store and buy the booze without ID in those days. If my same-age friends got drunk on the strawberry wine I bought, and something bad happened, who was at fault? them? parents? me? store clerk? store owner? society? Would I have told? Or still be living with it today? Damn if I know what I would have done then; I did get away with some crazy stuff, and I did have some bad things happen to me. Dumb luck got me through, and probably made me enough smarter in practical ways to make up for the fried brain cells. (By the way, I had great, involved, caring parents who had absolutely NO idea of most of what I was up to. That terrifies me every day as a parent myself.)
Or here’s an alternate scenario. Group of high school juniors on a field trip. Teachers buy the beer. One girl is sexually assaulted on the drive back–one actor, at least six witnesses. All inebriated kids, and none of them ever told outside the group involved that night until a decade later. Who was at fault? Who had the hardest time living with it, and whose lives did it affect the most? (In this case, the male assaulter was forever changed by that night, and has spent his career helping victims.)
It’s not simple, is it? And if Morgan made dumb decisions, it doesn’t mean she was a bad girl, or that she deserved to die. Neither did Joseph Dado. Real life is not so tidy for most, but it is still life worth living.
So, OYE, if your sleuthing is going to turn up clues as to where Morgan can be found, keep at it, even if it proves the ways in which she was flawed. Or, if you know a possible witness or enabler, show them the Dado case, and let them see that they may be able to trade a lifetime of guilt for forgiveness and a misdemeanor. Morgan’s family is hurting, and they can help ease that pain, as well as their own.
sorry, that’s as long as an observer post, if not as erudite : )
To Open Your Eyes:
I am not understanding your post:
Comment by OPEN YOUR EYES — December 9, 2009 @ 12:53 pm
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9576645&op=4&o=global&view=global&subj=162224546575&id=505480153
If the “struggling” person refuses, sooner or later, friends eventually write them off because it is just too frustrating to deal with. Parents deny “this doesnt happen to us”, “she would never do that” “this is someone else’s fault” blah, blah & try to deal with it quietly.
If you notice the language of mom about the outfit: “she was covered” before concert, her mom’s constant referral to her as “our baby”, etc. they were not ready for Morgan to grow up. Morgan seems to have broken out of the shelter, and, unfortunately, most likely to her detriment. There may be a BG, but there was DEF a BGIRL too, IMHO.
I have looked at that link three times to see if I am missing something. What I see is a group of beautiful, happy young ladies smiling for a photo. Am I missing something?
As far as the comment by Mrs. Harrington, that could stem from comments from people saying Morgan was dressed inappropriately. Which by the way, I don’t feel that her choice of attire was bad and it had nothing to do with whatever happened that night. It’s quite common to see girls her age and on campus’ dressed similarly. As far as “my baby”, my oldest daughter is thirty-three and I still refer to her as my baby at times. It’s a mom thing.
2004-Bravo, well communicated
Thanks J2K. Yes, I’m mary too here and mary at home. I was afraid i couldn’t sign in on a different computer with the same name.
sweetpea (#2001) re:
“J2K (said) think ‘Unknown Assailant targeting lone woman’ was ruled out because LE established she knew – in some way – and willingly went with/called-for-a-ride someone she knew in the area.
???????
When did LE established this. Did I miss something? As far as I know LE are still under the assumption that Morgan was HH on the bridge. Which would indicate to me they have no idea who picked her up.”
sweetpea, that was in reference to the fact that LE didn’t alert the Cville/UVa communities that a predator was afoot attacking, picking up to assault, or kidnapping women – which indicates that they had knowledge that MH’s disappearance was *not* a random act. I did not mean to imply LE released fresh info; rather that the old info (or lackthereof in regard to community alerts) led me to the above conclusion that she was in some way familiar with/chose to engage with the person/people who drove with her out of town.
What does HH mean?
nevermind HH means hitchhiking. doh!
skyler – I consulted with my cats, and I’m afraid we will not be able to take in ya Yorkie (even though we just lot an old friend of our own). The felines have put their paws down.
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Your comment (#1943) was verrrry interesting, as we have not been privy to many (any?) direct witness accounts of interactions with MH that seemed legit – until this one. (Yeah, I’m lookin’ at you, Kickee). Anyway! re:
“>>Debbie Parrish Carson: I was there that night and saw Morgan hit the floor during Lamb of God…she was taking pictures and came down off the step and fell flat on her face. When we helped her up we didn’t notice any bleeding (but remember it was dark in there)… So yes, my husband and I saw her fall and me and another girl standing close by helped her back onto her feet. She was pretty out of it…she could have definitely been hurt by that fall…it didn’t seem like her hands caught her at all. … when she fell, we helped her to her feet, her drink was still in her hand, … We asked if she was okay and she didnt’ answer, she simply tried to gain composure and began to walk forward (and out of the area where we were standing). She did seem very incoherent. We did not see any blood from the fall, which is not to say it didn’t happen moments later,… Yes she was completely out of it, as were 1000’s of other people who were there that night.”
So LOG is playing, MH falls and catches herself with her face, leaves area she was drinking/dancing in in an incoherent fashion, is seen bleeding slightly from her injury and allgedly crying, is (escorted) outside the arena, and the night’s going south quickly.
After failing to get back in, she texts for a ride, and so on.
If she fell *that* hard, unable to keep her head from slamming into the ground and was not coherent enough to acknowledge those that helped her up, that sounds like a classic concussion. Alcohol (and you can chime in here RNmom) can amplify the dangers of a consussion. I can’t help but wonder if possible cranial swelling from the impact contributed to her demise later that night (if she’s not starting a new life in Orange, that is).
If she joined X or his group for a ride out of town at 9:30 and began to fade out as the lucid period from an acute-hematoma-type injury (keep in mind, this Natasha-Richardson-known condition is rare, but *can* happen if blood-swelling between the skull and brain begins and medical attention is not sought immediately – especially if exacerbated by alcohol). If she threw up or passed out from spiraling head trauma, the kids she was with likely thought it was from drinking too much, and maybe thought she would sleep it off, sober up. She could have been dead within an hour in that case, and I’m sure shocked panic would have ensued, as the people accompanying her would have had no idea of the severity of her true condition.
I know I’m reaching the end of a limb here, but *if* the timing of the Boyd Tavern account was off by the witness-to-the-witness by, say, 30-45 minutes, and the “distraught/freaking out” crew the alleged witness/stepfather at Boyd Tavern Market saw had a sick, headache-suffering, increasingly incoherent MH laying down in the backseat (not visible from the outside), it would explain the agitated state of the driver asking directions, the destination, and offer the potential that MH was dead or comatose before they even got back to Harrisonburg. Again, dudes would have no idea it was a head injury – they’d assume drugs or alcohol poisoning.
Lizzy @2004, just have to say that I love your post. I think on all these topics constantly.
And I agree with you that there was nothing offensive in Open Your Eyes’ last post. My question for Open Your Eyes, for all of us, is instead of just putting it out there that something bad happened … because clearly it did … can you provide suggestions or food for thought beyond our shared observation that regrettable decisions were made? We are trying to think this through in order to *help* and not judge (each other, Morgan, her friends, or her family), so if you know anything that could be of any use, please share.
And on that note, unless I’ve forgotten, we have not talked about traffic cameras, and with the re-mention of the possible Orange sighting, I’m curious as to whether traffic cameras through all the traffic lights at Pantops and out to Orange (if Orange has them) were ever checked. Anyone know? How about the on and off ramps of I-64 at the Orange/Keswick/Boyd Tavern/Palmyra/other exits? (I think I recall cameras are up around these ramps in VA.) Surely LE checked footage going through all intersections around JPJ … This all feels so obvious. It also takes me back to Boyd Tavern Market, which underwent a post-fire remodel this year, and I have a hard time believing no security cameras exist on site. (Again, if already covered, sorry.)
As ever, it feels like we are grasping at straws/walking in circles/choose your cliche, but also that we are down to a couple basic scenarios, give or take some details. Am impressed with how logically some of you think.
Hey, how were her grades, I wonder? Mebbe her planned study session with dad is meaningful. I know someone who ran away from home (at nearly age 19!) when a failing college report card was on its way. Maybe Morgan did the same?
J2K @2012, I’m with you, it all seems very plausible, except for two things: (1) Where were the people she was with when she fell? Was she taking pics of them or was she alone somehow, just photographing the stage? One would expect to see friends coming over to her, even if they were drunk and laughing at her (would love to hear more from witness on that), and (2) I just do not believe security would escort out someone with bleeding who seems out of it. Sure, they’d think alcohol/drugs and/or fighting, but with the added bleeding, wouldn’t they have to check her out at first aid before releasing her into the night? What is procedure for the security contractors (Observer?)? Or do you think she ran into the female security person and clashed enough that she got booted despite her bleeding?
I suppose if Morgan was saying “I’m OK, I’m OK, I just need to go to the bathroom and clean up,” that could explain the kiss on the cheek and then the followup call 20 mins later to check on her (that timeline has always bugged me, as at a big venue like that I would fully expect a friend to take ages getting to the bathroom, waiting in line, and getting back to seat … definitely >20 mins). Maybe Morgan insisted on going to the bathroom alone — when I have been hurt I have been downright cranky about not wanting people fussing over me, and I think a lot of people are like that.
It still leaves us with our basic questions post JPJ exit. I just hope so hard the BB players have told LE every single thing they can remember her saying and doing, and there’s no way for us to know whether they have.
Hi, Lizzy, Kris and NYMom — you certainly brought up issues/questions that I had to ask myself — and Kris, I work w/ the elderly and disabled now, so you win an extra spot in my heart for helping the lady at the beach —
And Lizzy, after reading your post, I had to think about it — and NYMom — I would have stopped in a heartbeat for Morgan on that bridge — but I have to admit a prejudice I didn’t know I had — I wouldn’t have stopped for a male HH’er, not in the city, not in that environment. I would hope that if I had seen a male wandering around in distress I would ask if he were all right — do as you suggest and call the police — but I can’t honestly say I would — and if I had encountered Morgan in the parking lot portraying the behavior that’s been alleged — stumbling, cursing, kicking at one guy, I may have written her off as just a stoned girl — or if she were acting “happy” I wouldn’t have approached her because I wouldn’t think she would be in distress —
To everyone who is a resident, I love love love Charlottesville — it is one of my favorite places on earth — evidenced by 1600 people who volunteered their time to look for Morgan — for people who are local within 100 miles who get in their cars and drive and get out and walk and search for Morgan — who pass out flyers — who contact the hunting groups and organizations —
And yes, poor Richmond, has the dubious honor of one of the murder capitals of the world — my dentist had an intern a few years back, and this young man was originally from India and had gone to dental school there and had actually practiced for 6 years in another country. He decided he wanted to come to the US, and apparently, in order to be licensed here, you have to attend the senior year of dental school. When he told his friends and work associates he had been accepted into the VCU school of dentistry, they were all very concerned; told him he’d be murdered in that evil Richmond — and he was coming from …
Iraq !
After one of those huge holiday dinners at my grandma’s house in the country she’d always say: if you leave here hungry, it’s your own fault.
It’s the same way here at Blink’s table — if you leave here without something more to think about and consider, it’s yer own fault !! you are all just amazing !!
A comment about traffic cameras (2013) at stop lights. To the best of my knowledge, Charlottesville doesn’t yet have traffic monitoring cameras (approved for some larger intersections in the area but I don’t believe they have been installed.) I don’t know whether or not surrounding counties have traffic cameras, and do not know about cameras on interstate ramps. When saying I do not believe there are currently traffic cameras, I am referring to cameras monitored by LE. I do know that the local NBC affiliate has cameras positioned on interestate 64 at Afton, on some of the heavily traveled roads in Charlottesville, and in the valley. I don’t know the hours of operation and whether they actually keep footage or if they are live feeds to the station during their news reports. Newsplex, comprised of Fox, ABC and CBS affiliates, could also have traffic cameras positioned in strategic locations for monitoring backups, weather related road problems, etc.
J2K – finally. . . a different angle. Now, let’s say you are the dudes. . .what do you do? Let’s start there. . .
Lizzy: i appreciate everyone is bringing to this board an angle skewed by their own life experiences. Noted. If it helps, I WITHDRAW THE BGIRL COMMENT. Further, I would like to clarify that nowhere did I say she “deserved” anything, that I felt no compassion for her family or that we should call off all searches for anyone but sober virgins.
It is a horrible situation. However, by this time, the most of the more likely avenues have been explored. Perhaps it is time to at least consider some of the “unlikely” ones. . .
If, for the sake of argument, J2K’s scenario, or one like it is real. Do you think a 18-21 year old would come forward? Or, would you hope to God that someone would eventually connect the dots?
Lizzy: wasn’t directing the “further, i would. . .” part to you. . .forgot to space down. .
#1493 morgan falls in arena?? yes interesting,i heard mentioned that le are going back over old leads (either in roanoke.com article or video),good ,cuz how does one fall flat on their face still holding a drink upright,having misstepped on a step while taking a picture,not impossible,but the first time she says- it didnt seem like her hands caught her at all -camera in one,drink in other why would they?,doesnt mention the drink in hand til 2nd or third time sharing witnessed event. And i thought the limo driver said he saw morgan walking with bb players toward uhall ,le says she approached them in rv parking lot.right? can anyone link limo driver? if the plan was to not go back to blacksburg,and indeed the friends did not go back,why would she tell them she would get a ride home?what is the probability that she would able to catch a ride to blacksburg?seriously any statistic students? highly niave and idealistic,to think that hitchhiking to blacksburg would be achievable and safe.i dont know one girl ever who would do that alone(maybe,ive known a girl who would hh with another person,or go a short distance),so does le have an alternative idea as to where she was hhiking to? why wouldnt the bbplayers give her a ride to where ever she was going?dont even try to tell me she asked them for a ride to blacksburg.according to timeline she was hh on copely & ivy at 9:30 and not seen since except for maybe orange/otherplace,which imo mistaken identity.a pi & a lawyer could find out if she was asked to leave the arena.
Maybe she fell…spilled most of her drink although she still had some left. Went to tell her friends she was going to get another beer,But they tell the media she said restroom. Gets escorted out after getting caught trying to purchase a beer underage? And I can see where J2K is going with this…a definite possibility.
@1996
Lizzy, I totally agree with you on this,stranger come’s in all shape’s and gender!!! I would let someone use my cell phone but my foot would be on the gas pedal, esp. if my kid’s were in the car
pfm=praying for Morgan
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Post #99:
nakni11 says – reply to this
I’m a VT grad and live near C’ville. It does seem like VT is having its fair share of tragedy in the past couple of years
I really hope Morgan turns up, but to be honest I don’t think it’s very likely that anyone will find her alive.
Oh, and the report about her trying to find a bathroom and finding herself outside the arena was a false report…they’re not disclosing all of the info, for investigative purposes.
J2K – that’s a great theory. Can you see the people she was with not coming forward with her, though? Unless they were doing drugs or drinking with her, they wouldn’t have any responsibility for her condition.
@ OYE
What is YOUR belief on what happened with the facts that you know of?
You ask others to …” consider some of the “unlikely” ones. . ”
Give us your scenario.
It’s as if you want others to read your mind, all the while giving out hints of some sort.
Just be straight forward. We are ALL here to help! Please don’t lose sight of that.
@ playfulg. . . and if they WERE, would they? and, would they make sure she still had her camera?
So where’s the body?
B
OYE-I get what you’re saying, but cant someone call in a tip anonymously so the family can have some peace and solace? Being involved with Morgan’s disappearance or knowing what happened and keeping it a secret is an incomprehensable burden. How can someone sleep at night knowing where Morgan is, even if they weren’t responsible for her death?
Mamasitta and Lizzy, don’t worry, I wouldn’t pick up some nasty drugged out freak and give him a ride just to show my kids I care. I would definately help a girl in distress, though…no matter how drunk or stoned. If she’s scarey I might not put her in my car, but I’ll at least check the situation out and get her some help. I would hope someone would do the same for one of my kids. I’ll keep an eye out for yours.
OYE, that’s an interesting post from nakni11 on the Perez Hilton site…I don’t believe Morgan left to go to the bathroom, either. But how can nakni11 state this as fact unless he/she is LE or otherwise closely involved in the case? I’m curious to know how she knows what they’re disclosing and what they’re not. Are you able to find anything concrete from LE? Seems we’re all waiting.
acho (#2015) re: head-trauma theory
All great questions, acho, but according to the witness’s account, LOG was playing, it was dark and loud, in probably a packed area of the arena; she was helped by strangers and walked away dazedly to regain her composure. That could mean MH headed to the bathroom, where the pain set in or the impact had made an upsetting mark and she started to cry, made her way to the smoking lounge to calm down, then maybe(?) tried to get another beer and got in a skirmish with security and is given the boot – who knows? These movements match up with some witness accounts.
But the main point is not the circumstances surrounding the injury – it is in sustaining the injury itself, becasue *that* has been released by LE (who, I should note, said whatever injury she sustained inside was “minor;” however, I think they said that to mitigate speculations she was assaulted inside the JPJ. She did not seek or receive medical service there – so how could LE possibly know the severity of head trauma from a fall? N. Richardson fell backwards in the snow; no one thought that was serious either.)
OPEN YOUR EYES (#2018) re: head-trauma theory
“Now, let’s say you are the dudes… what do you do? Let’s start there… Do you think a 18-21 year old would come forward? Or, would you hope to God that someone would eventually connect the dots?”
That’s the $64,000 question, OYE. *If* this scenario occurred, I don’t think the 18-21-year-olds themselves would “connect the dots.” After all, how could they know how serious her injury was? That’s why the shock and tragedy of N. Richardson’s death served as real eye-opener on what a little bump on the head can eventually do to the brain if any swelling triggered is not immediately stemmed.
So, if she went through about an hour of being lucid following the injury, then her condition began to deteriorate with typical head-injury symptoms – headache, dizziness, vomiting, etc., well, that looks a lot like the effects of over-drinking. The college cure for that is sleepin’ it off; whereas she would have needed an ER – stat – if a pool of blood was growing between her skull and brain tissue. Now I’m getting repetitive, but my point is *if* this was the case, X was not at fault for her condition – drunk or injury-wise – but suddenly, and possibly before the destination is even reached, she’s not breathing anymore. It’s instantly and unexpectedly too late for medical care, which had to have been utterly shocking (and confusing) for her companion/s. Plus he/they likely thought she somehow OD’d on alcohol or a drug – acute head trauma was probably not even considered. …What to do?
I don’t know the answer to that question, but we know what they *didn’t* do, and that was deposit MH in a place she could be found.
playfulg (#2024) re: head-trauma theory
“Can you see the people she was with not coming forward with her, though? Unless they were doing drugs or drinking with her, they wouldn’t have any responsibility for her condition.”
See above. Whomever she was with following her stint in the arena during which she received (either a minor or a minor-that-morphed-into-life-threatening) injury, the next group of people or persons she joined would have had no idea that her head had hit the floor in such a way that it caused potentially deadly – though insidious – swelling. I’m sure if she had X coming for her and got in the car, she wouldn’t have said, “X, can we stop by the ER – I want to get an MRI, just as a precaution. I hit my head pretty hard.” I’m sure if she said anything about the injury it was while recalling a litany of sh*tty things that had happened to her in the last hour.
@sobermom
How can someone sleep at night knowing where Morgan is, even if they weren’t responsible for her death?
Going with OYE’s asking us to consider some of the “unlikely” ones.
Here is a scenario – What if Morgan is alive and left of her own free will AND her friends know it but are keeping a lid on it? Then they would not have trouble sleeping at night.
Re: MsL — December 10, 2009
They delay in the players coming forward initially raises its own questions and the subsequent silence raises a few more in my opinion. Add to that a couple of players suspended and its even more puzzling. Some people would rather dream up a boogey man or a psycho ex but dont dare doubt your sportsmen? Is it not possible all 3 could be 1?OJ would be proud of you.
Re: Word Girl
Just because im a bit of a swim away from your area and Ms Harrington is a picture on my computer screen doesnt mean this is a game to me. Im only giving an opinion, valued or not. I am not ashamed to admit that there are almost certainly many more smart “bitches” on here and if they choose to take the mickey out of me then so be it, my intentions are good and for that i will not apoligise. You have to break eggs to make omlettes.
“It wasn’t the last time the Richmond woman saw the young blonde. After she, her husband, and friend parked near U-Hall, she says, she saw the same group of five gathered around a vehicle in the RV Lot, or Lannigan Field overflow parking lot— the spot where Morgan’s purse and phone were found and one of the last places police have officially placed her.
“I figured, ‘They’re going to party before they go into JPJ,” says the woman, who estimates the RV Lot sighting as 9:15pm. When she learned about the disappearance on Monday, October 19, she says, she immediately relayed her information to police, who have interviewed her as many as five times in the past three weeks.
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/15/concerned-witnesses-before-hitching-morgan-harrington-caused-worry/
Dee could not have been the woman in the RV lot because she was inside the arena after the show talking with Morgan’s friends.
“Spolarics, her boyfriend and three other guys went to the concert and say it was a great crowd. Afterward, they tried to meet up with friends, seated in another part of the arena. Those friends were mutual friends of Spolarics and Morgan Harrington.
“We call and [our friend] is like, ‘We’re actually missing somebody,’ one of the people she was with, and they’re like, ‘We don’t know what happened to her. She said she was getting a ride home, so we guess she’s fine,’ but so we’re like OK, we didn’t think anything of it and they went home,” says Spolarics.”
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/66764102.html
So what type of vehicle was it??
Liam Fahy (re #2031)
I always appreciate an across-the-pond perspective, but perhaps you have not dedicated several weeks to reading through every one of the more than 2,000 posts on *this* MH thread alone. While you can’t be expected to “prep,” and anyone is welcomed into this conversation (to a point – I defer to Word Girl for the final WORD on that), this basketball player business has been explored extensively (perhaps because it is, without a doubt, the lowest hanging fruit in this case). People have different feelings on their involvement, but I’d say the majority of people here have moved on from viewing them as the perps, as LE has certainly appeared to have done so.
Several weeks (and more than 1,000 posts) ago, I weighed-in on the matter, and haven’t really changed my opinion much since – though, I should note my rhetoric in this post is a little coarse as I was reaching a point of frustration with the fixation on the BB dudes… but it’s part of the Blink record now, so I’ll swallow my shame and re-post.
**WARNING** MATERIAL MAY BE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE BY SOME
(and already considered offensive by others – avert your eyes/whiskers, wpg)
(#939)
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As I seem to have kicked up a small dust storm in writing off the culpability of the BB players, let me just say for the record that (A) we don’t know what was said between LE and these players; (B) as the last people known to have interacted with MH, if they or one of them is the perp/in some way responsible for her disappearance, then either LE is taking their damn sweet time in continuing to question and build a case against him/them or LE is completely inept. As far as the public knows, none of their cars were searched, nor their housing, and it does not appear they’ve gone back in for questioning (though, they may very well have and it’s under wraps).
Their association with MH is too obvious for this case to be dragging out this way if there was was any true significance to it (besides details of their interaction and accounts of MH’s state at the time). Plus, dudes were heading out of practice, not partying. I’m sure they were looking forward to showers, not getting it on with a drunk, bleeding Metallica fan.
Mary, I think J2K was into this witness the other day…she does seem reliable, if anyone does. Seems that if LE can identify these 4 guys they will be getting some where. Could they have been first shift crew for LOG and finished for the night? Could she have known them from previous concerts? I believe that it was either this interaction, or one like it, that got Morgan over to the RV lot. She was looking for something to do either until her friends got out or her ride came to meet her.
Observer or anyone else who knows about security at JPJ…when someone is obviously drunk wouldn’t they arrest (or have UVaPD arrest) her for being drunk in public? Or if someone is injured (or looking like alcohol poisoning) wouldn’t they take her to a waiting EMT? This is what happens at football games and they use the same firm, right? If UVa knows that she was escorted out but not taken care of they should probably come clean with the public…or if she was escorted out and seemed stable they can clear this up for us. They look guilty by not talking. And I want to be on UVa’s side.
One other thing and then I’ll sit back for a while…from your post Mary, and others before…how could the friends and Dee refer to Morgan that night as “missing” and not have called her parents or alerted someone who could help? I do not get this part, and I’m beating my own kids about it…never leave a friend who you consider “missing”, among the hundred other things that went wrong that night. There are lots of lessons from this tragedy.
Liam Fahy-let me make myself clear, if it should come to light that there was any involvement by the basketball players in Morgan Harrington’s disappearance, I hope they/he (if singular) will be punished to the full extent of the law. If there is no such evidence of involvement, then by law, they are just as innocent as you are my friend, as well as all others who came into contact with Morgan on October 17th. To label anyone a kidnapper or murderer without proof of guilt and even at this time of an actual crime, based only on speculation is wrong. I don’t know why they didn’t come forward, I won’t attempt to hazard a guess. Hopefully, in the very near future, for the sake of the Harrington family, there will be answers, based on fact and not based on so many peoples’ imagination.
going back to J2K’s #2012 post, and assuming for A SECOND that rather than ride around in a car all night smoking and/or drinking, she went to a party with some “friends”: #1 where would students most likely meet up to party? a local hotel? abandoned buildings somewhere? a local back road? students in my area tend to meet up in a wooded area near a State campground. . . back at JMU from whence they came?
localcvillegirl? do you have any ideas of local party hot spots?
What about DJ’s?
B
if the witness to her being with the guys in black shirts around a car in the rv lot at 9:15,is correct ,then the limo driver is wrong,and the basketball players would have seen the guys also if they spoke with her in the rv lot at 9:10, ,supposedly they said they left her alone in the parking lot at 9:20 after a ten minute conversation,where was the rest of the team,leaving practice,via the parking lot??and jk2 there are locker rooms at the practice facility,for showering,and it was saturday night.
OYE that’s a good question about possible party spots. Usually around here public areas are off limits…always patrolled by PD. My guess is that Morgan and her friends had buddies here from their Roanoke highschools, VT, and JMU. If they’re the same age, 20, they live somewhere off campus in a rental house. There is a lot of off-campus housing around here…houses, apartments. Some kids live out in the country, but most are within walking distance of classes. If they were 21 I’d say they’d head to the Corner, or down to Wild Wings Cafe at the train station…tons of great places to eat and drink in this town. But at 20 they’d be partying at someone’s house or apartment.
Has anyone seen this thread?
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1334
Kind of goes a long with the witness sighting of Morgan walking with the group of guys and standing around the car with the same group of individuals.
Bean, I don’t think she could get tossed for trying to buy a beer underage. They card you first, and you get a wristband if you’re allowed to buy. No wristband, no beer.
IF she got thrown out, it was for something else (the JPJ site says ““Guests who use offensive or abusive language, behave in an unruly manner, or appear to be intoxicated are subject to removal.”)
2030-
@stardust-i couldn’t sleep at night if I knew my girlfriends parents were suffering over their missing daughter.No matter what age,no way in h$ll.Neither would any of my friends.
Even if there were issues between parents and child(grades or whatever),I would be talking period.If Morgan expired in the company of others and it was no fault of theirs,then I promise you,someone is having a tough time with that.I mean come on man, look at what that family is going thru.
I’m a mother and mothers realize straight away in this day and time chances are good things will be challenge to our kids and yes, that means drugs and alcohol.If their daughter is gone don’t kill them too with the suffering that not knowing will do.
susanm #2038
I’m not so sure they said they left her alone in the RV lot. They said she was still there when they left. Last night’s theories re: Morgan looking for someone to let her borrow not a phone but a battery (God that was brilliant whoever came up with it) just rings true. Maybe the guys she was hanging with didn’t have the right kind so she “approaches” the basketball players to see if they do. One thing that has bothered me is that I can’t imagine any good man leaving her there alone, scary drunk girl notwithstanding. I think they would have either offered her a ride or offered to call someone or something. So Im thinking now (cause I was very suspicious of the BB players–just because of the timeline) they left her cause they knew she was with the other guys.
Hasn’t it been established that the friends spent the night at JMU then returned to the arena parking lot the next morning before heading back to Roanoke/Blacksburg? Where are the party spots at JMU?
localcvillegirl, I think that most places that make a whole lot of their bread and butter on being venues (say for college sports) would lose plenty o’business and thus money if they decided to go after people for being drunk in public–so they don’t. And if it’s considered private property, then the city police can’t get you for being drunk in public on the property. Since it’s a state school—heck, I dunno the jurisdiction. But I don’t think any venue wants the reputation of being quite so rigid.
(Recently watched a fascinating story on the Dead Tree Crew, Redskins tailgaters with the seeming aim of becoming blind drunk at each game. You have to be able to drink two beers at a time poured through a traffic safety cone in order to join. The stadium is on private property, so no worries about the cops getting them for being drunk in public. The stadium did institute some policy that you have to be able to stand on your own in order to get in, tho, which put a slight damper on things.)
Now, if you’re being UNRULY, that’s different than just being visibly intoxicated.
And if someone were seriously injured or looked like they had alcohol poisoning, I can only imagine the venue would send them to their own first aid station or else call an ambulance if it were really serious. Lots of things happen at concerts, so they’d be pretty familiar with how to handle such things.
susanm (re: #2038)
You may have missed the first part of that post when I noted the BB segment was a re-post from several weeks ago – which is when I was first alerted to the fact that UHall indeed has a shower facility should an athlete want to freshen up for a night on the town directly following practice at 9 pm on a Saturday night. But thanks for reiterating that in case anyone was unaware… though it has little baring on my overall point. That said, it sounds like these players may have still been in their uniforms if they were identified as basketball players by others who saw them speaking with MH, as well as by MH herself.
Who knows? And, if anyone cares, it’s clearly not me.
Bean – #1040 – wow. I didn’t see your post when I asked about party spots at JMU.
Radiogirl–Good motto, I agree. “I would have helped Morgan.Always keep a cell phone charged and ready is my motto.R”
Today I saw an instant cell phone charger at an ‘organizing’ store. It will restore the battery for an hour’s worth of talk and can be used in conjunction with car cigarette lighter, etc. 15 bucks at the store; 8 online.
Very small, with a loop to attach it wherever….like onto your Christmas ‘Gift of Fear’ book package!
Maybe I missed something, but has LE confirmed the sighting of the girl falling to be Morgan. Did Debbie Parrish Carson mention the necklace? If this was Morgan did she kiss her friend goodbye after the fall? Just a thought. Sorry if this has been discussed before.
Bean (re: #2040)
Interesting find… but after the first two posts, it reads like a thinly veiled (and cheesy) advertisement for that seemingly shameless PI who’s apparently been all over those threads practically begging the Harringtons to invest in his services.
Also, two words: Dee Spolarics.
Yep.
B