Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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DTA (re: #2048)
The facial injury has been confirmed; the “kiss” has not been confirmed (and I doubt it ever will.)
As far as DP Carson’s account of witnessing MH fall on her face, she was not asked about the necklace.
Here’s a portion of the (HooK) article from 10.30.09:
According to the sources, Harrington was seen inside and outside the Arena with blood on her chin prior to her disappearance, say witnesses who wish to remain anonymous. Thirteen days after her disappearance, a police spokesperson confirms the accounts but says investigators doubt the injury points to any altercation.
“It was a minor injury,” says Virginia State Police spokesperson Corinne Geller. She explains that police chose initially not to release the detail because the injury was “consistent with what someone would suffer from slipping and falling, not with any kind of assault.”
Full story:
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/10/30/unexplained-injury-and-tips-flood-in-but-still-no-morgan-harrington/
the thing that amazes me about this site, is the absence of morgan’s parents voice. i know they are in pain… but if they could lend some perspective, it would be fantastic. shed some light into the “nine”…anything?
My “I coulda had a V-8 moment:”
I removed the back of my cell phone and the battery tonight, because lately my sibling is calling me WAY too often. I had been answering every call.
As I did, I suddenly realized that maybe that’s why MH’s phone was a bit undone–did she take it apart and remove the battery because someone was calling her too much?
I believe that you can read what they have to say on the findmorgan.com site. That they can post anything is amazing to me. Things can become a bit more graphic over here.(I am not criticizing.) It is probably too hard to read the “what ifs”. They are just trying to put one foot in front of the other. My heart goes out to them.
Sorry- meant to cite awa #2051 for my reply. It is Friday and has been a long day.
Comment by localcvillegirl — December 11, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
One other thing and then I’ll sit back for a while…from your post Mary, and others before…how could the friends and Dee refer to Morgan that night as “missing” and not have called her parents or alerted someone who could help? I do not get this part, and I’m beating my own kids about it…never leave a friend who you consider “missing”, among the hundred other things that went wrong that night. There are lots of lessons from this tragedy.
..
When I think of their friend referring to Morgan as missing…I do not think missing as in missing person/abducted…I think missing as in…”we tried calling her cell but can’t get ahold of her..but we know who she’s with”
Meaning they (MH and whomever she was with) were not at a persons house or a location they may have been trying to get to or supposed to be at that time.
Hence the “or we wouldn’t have done it”
It meaning let her go with him.
Actually SS response was when asked if they regretted letting Morgan go to the bathroom alone.
B
Doing a little back searching… police state that Morgan dropped her purse…?? Far stretched idea of mine, but does anyone know if Morgan had ties to SC, explicitly, Camden? Is there a college there where Virginia would play X Team? Sorry not a college sport fan.
“She was wearing it that night,” Geller said. “She dropped her purse and her cell phone, so maybe she might have dropped her necklace also.”
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14690/new-details-released-in-harrington-investigation
Lapiz- first I have seen that quote. For me, I need to verify that with VSP.
Who drops a necklace? I sincerely hope, repeat, sincerely, that they are not basing the dropped her purse and cell on a witness sighting. If that is true, I have serious pause.
B
Word Girl, even better than a cigarette lighter option (which mebbe wouldn’t have helped Morgan that night) are the groovy little cellphone chargers about the size of a lipstick case that hold a single AA battery and will let you talk on your dead phone and/or recharge it. Really nice to have in a pinch. You do need to get the correct adapter for your particular phone, but they are just amazingly handy.
Comment by J2K — December 11, 2009 @ 8:18 pm
Bean (re: #2040)
Interesting find… but after the first two posts, it reads like a thinly veiled (and cheesy) advertisement for that seemingly shameless PI who’s apparently been all over those threads practically begging the Harringtons to invest in his services.
Also, two words: Dee Spolarics.
Yep.
B
Sure, absolutely could be Dee. Still interesting to speculate. I have been reading that forum for a long time and I am fully aware of that PI that has been posting there and everywhere else. The original poster has been on there a long time. Maybe it is a set up, but since no new information seems to be coming up ANYWHERE, I am keeping my eyes and ears open to everything.
I have serious doubts it was Morgan the basketball players even talked to. If none of them knew her how would they know if it was Morgan or another gal? I think the sightings of Morgan with three men in the RV lot are really Dee or a look alike.
I can’t imagine falling on your face with a drink in one hand and it being anywhere near “in tact”.
No I am just not buying into it.
I stick with Blinks two staff that say she never made it to the arena that night.
She might have been trying to get there to meet up with her friends but I don’t think she ever made it there.
Blink can you tell me the “two” staffs thoughts on what happened?
I think her journey ended when she called her father and told him she arrived safely. She either stayed home and never made the trip or she remained at the “before concert gathering” in Charlottesville.
Thats my story and I’m sticking too it.
Oh and by the way. The report of her being at the arena and the kiss goodbye by the friends. All of that could be a cover for Morgan who they might have believed was with somebody. Remember the interview was done on Sunday and the press conference on Monday. Lots of info could have spilled out of the “friends” by Tuesday and we have heard nothing since then.
od AT jmu
b
About the basketball players: I believe that UVA has a bigtime, Division I basketball program. If it’s like the D-I programs I am familiar with, the players report for practice in street clothes, put on their practice clothes, practice, take off their practice clothes, shower, re-dress in street clothes and leave. Their practice clothes remain at the practice facility where they are laundered and readied for the next practice. At least that’s how the Big 10 schools do it, and I can’t believe that Virginia does not provide these same perks to their BBall players,
I always imagined that the BBall players were identified because they were three very tall, well-built young men, who were coming from the basketball practice facility to the lot where BBall players park their cars.
The limo driver probably speculated that those guys MH was talking to were BBall players, then LE directed questions to someone in the AD’s office, and finally the right players were contacted and questioned. The limo driver must have said that MH did not leave with the BBall players.
Days ago someone on here (was it Skyler?) commented that a visibly intoxicated girl who approached the BBall players in public would have seemed like a sure case of trouble to them.
LE has all the info and doesn’t seem to be sharing any of it. It’s hard to be helpful when all we can do is have the same circular discussions.
Morgan Harrington Update: Police At Work, No P.O.I. Yet
State Police updated the Newsplex on the Morgan Harrington investigation, saying they’re still getting tips, have detectives constantly working on the case but have yet to develop any P.O.I. or “person of interest”. They are particularly interested in knowing about a Morgan “sighting” in the Culpeper/Orange County area.
…. The possible Culpeper/Orange sighting is one of many leads investigators are following up on. But, the key information remains at the Copeley Road bridge in Charlottesville where police say several people last saw Harrington trying to hitchhike.
“They may not have seen an actual young woman getting into a car,” Geller explained about people who may not realize what they saw. “But, if they just remember seeing a car stopped in the roadway on the bridge and thought, ‘Well, this is strange. Why is this vehicle stopped?’”
Geller says they do have information. But, that lead might be the missing piece they’re searching for.
Geller also says there are no persons of interest at this point and they still don’t know if Harrington fell victim to foul play.
more here http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/79008717.html
( sound of air leaving Blink balloon)
B
“od AT jmu
b”
Blink, sorry I know it’s late and it’s been quite the day, but …
In the 2′s opinion, did the friends know this before they went to the concert or they found Morgan upon returning (or found her not to be there at all).
Do the 2 believe the friends went to the concert?
2 Blink Editors will not allow their cheese to be moved from prior to the concert.
They believe Morgan never made it, and this is a cover up. To their credit, in fact, there is no physical evidence or independent video confirmation Morgan was there.
That said, I believe Morgan was at the concert, and my cheese stays with my initial profile of this case. The phenom of us in disagreement tells me at a minimum, someone or someones is not telling the truth in this case.
Let me say that the update to Facebook in the privacy area yesterday was a freakin goldmine yesterday. What we definitely agree on, is what happened to Morgan will be found in her online activity to date. So, we are again in process.
B
hmm, so if she ODed at JMU, did they leave her purse/phone somewhere while they dumped her body, or was it in the car with them pinging away the whole time, and if so, where all did morgan’s phone ping from morning until 9>30 that night?
This is awful. If she never made it to the concert and her friends come up with this elaborate cover up including look-a-likes. outrageous. I think they would only cover up if od at jmu, not to cover for Morgan to see bf because she had her own apt. i still can’t digest the studing in the back seat or her not having her car keys. I pray her friends weren’t involved. wish they’d break the silence
Let me say that the update to Facebook in the privacy area yesterday was a freakin goldmine yesterday. What we definitely agree on, is what happened to Morgan will be found in her online activity to date. So, we are again in process.
B
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upthread Chad, answered at length, privacy glitch opened up private areas of facebook
B
Appreciate your response, Blink, as my cheese has been rocking back and forth due to, as you said, “someone or someones is not telling the truth in this case”.
I’m facebook-challenged, but “freakin goldmine” ’tis a good thing for you and team.
Much success,
mouse
Thanks mon frier. It is astounding how many quotes I am seeing of the peripheral friends going out of their way to not name names. How many 20 year olds do you know say “This party was here” Or she was with her party” we have a mutual friend of another friend. B 4 real.
So that we are clear, I am not attacking her friends, but I will never condone them leaving her there. Morgan is an adult. But my guess is there is an expectation in friendships that travel together to know the general welfare of one another before partying on.
There, I said it.
B
Continuing in the same vein as suz@12:34 am: then who was texting on Morgan’s phone after 8:30 pm, who did they text, and what did they say?
I am still reading everyday. Hoping for some new news . Alas, Morgan is still no where to be found.
I am still not convinced Morgan made it to the concert either, Blink. Go back to the beginning, I did, and my thought then was she never made it to JPJ.
Even if the basketball players would speak to the public, IMO I still wouldn’t be sure. A young beautiful Blonde dressed in black could be just that, not Morgan,as we are so frustratingly aware.
Yet, there is the witness (Dave I think)that says he saw Morgan and her party arrive,and he spoke with her. In order to disregard his statement, one would undoubtly have to believe her friends and an unknown “double” were actively conspiring to dupe people into believing Morgan attended the concert. Unless Dave was mistaken….
skyler ,didnt you say you saw a car pulled over on the road that night??iirc. i cant remember what time though ,earlier, probably.
cvillegirl
regard. #2028
who do you think you are ? How dare you say the exact same thing myself and Lizzy say(would call for help or let her use cell phone sound’s pretty much like check sitch. out to me)and then act like you would do anything more please! Oh and by the way don’t *EVER* talk about my kid’s
What update happened in the privacy area yesterday to facebook. I am not sure I follow
Snipped from Newsplex article above:
We have these gaps,” said Geller. “But, we have a sighting the next morning up in the Culpeper, Orange area that could be very viable. But, unfortunately, we don’t have surveillance video. Nobody at the gas station recalls seeing her there.”
Who, what, where and when with this sighting? Why not give this out??? They don’t have to mention names.
You know, I am seriously thinking she was abducted by little green men and they zapped all the video surveillance they knew she would be on. Anybody else feel like slapping themselves in the head? How frustrating and gut wrenching.
Sheetz I believe, and not on video. Cant be corroborated either.
B
Are there any still images available of Dorottya?
In general or from the concert?
B
Wow, what if she ODed at JMU, or at a pre-party anywhere between Harrisonburg and Charlottesville. Well anything is possible at this point because we really have nothing else concrete to go on. No camera, no photos, no real proof she was in Charlottesville at all. The lost bag in the lot would be easy to stage, even using and taking the phone apart. 9 weeks is a long time to let a story like this go…one of those friends must have loved Morgan enough to crack, if this were the case.
I dunno. I’m not convinced of anything yet. I can be talked into believing anything.
Blink, or someone, can you explain yesterday’s update to the Facebook privacy area? Morgan’s page? The FMDH page? Do you mean how her privacy settings were changed? By whom?
Facebook instituted a complete privacy option. There was a glitch in how they rolled it out. It automatically went to “new settings” if the owner clicked through their announcement, basically opening up anything set to private in their facebook accounts.
Fortunately, I have the shrewedest eagle-eyed editors in the biz, and we spent 2 days capturing everything we could not get before, before anyone figured it out.
Of note, it is freakish how much some of the girls look alike.
It is sad and sick how many parents of underage girls clearly have zero idea how many of their daughters take scantily clad pics of themselves and befriend guys in their twenties and thirties.
I Am talking still in HS. Parents get your azzes on your kids facebooks!!! McSkeeve is out there.
ps. that has nothing to do with Morgan per se, but we ran into it in the periphery and that is the most I will comment on that for now.
*Let me say that the update to Facebook in the privacy area yesterday was a freakin goldmine yesterday. What we definitely agree on, is what happened to Morgan will be found in her online activity to date. So, we are again in process.
B*
Blink do you still believe she is not with us anymore in light of this?
I also have wondered for awhile about her phone call to home from Harrisburg upon arriving there. Its been said she called home like she was suppose to do from there, why was there not a call home expected once she arrived at JPJ? I would have had my kids calling once they hit the final spot also….
No, sadly, I do not believe Morgan is alive. I also very much respect my team’s opinions, but I do not share the alcohol poisoning or OD theory. I mention their thoughts because I was asked the question, and also it is important in critical thinking to disclose any possibilities that cannot be excluded definitely. That said, everyone can pretty much count on an expose on underage drinking, especially the risk to young women, at some point. Frightening and I had NO IDEA this still went on. I am discussing the benefits of the mommapoppabrother sorority to Blinkette.
B
so who would be in on such a coverup? the friends who dumped her and faked the “i’m stuck outside” call” definitely, but what about the textee on the other end of that evening’s texting—-in on it, or patsy?
so if she dies on the way to the show, wouldn’t her pings—everyone in the car’s pings—-show any detours taken en route?
did she languish in the trunk during the show and they dumped her after? Did they carry her phone inside and fake the call and texts from in there, and then removed her battery at 9:30 so that dude couldn’t text back, or mebbe because he was saying, hey, this doesn’t sound like you, what’s up? or cuz he wanted to call her or come get her? did the phone have no prints whatsoever, including morgan’s, or would it be easy to explain a friend’s prints on her phone so they left them? why not just power down the phone instead of removing the battery (same question for nymom —why do you take the battery out instead of turning the phone or ringer off?)
did they all leave mid-concert to dump her? were they late to the afterparty? (i ferget what they did afterwards—i think i have heard they waited in the lot for awhile, then stayed in town and returned in the morn, or that they went home)
did they dump her in a river?
You point out every reason this scenario does not work for me.
B
“We were concerned because there were other people in the vehicle and the young man was freaking out. Very strange!!!! If anyone knows our area, if you get on the interstate and go the wrong way from going back to Harrisonburg, you can easily wind up at Boyds Tavern (it is about 15 minutes away from the Stadium). The time is shady we know it was after 8:30 or 9pm.. This could fit the time line… WHY would this young man be so upset and agitated and trying to get back to Harrisonburg fast, he obviously was not from this area.”
So could this sighting be correct–and was this panicky guy driving the silver/grey vehicle in LE’s most recent released photos? OOS kid or otherwise not knowing the roads well out that direction away from JMU, driving after the group dumped MH (say, in the woods), then flying back to JMU in a panic? Vow of silence/lawyering up all around thereafter? I bet someone wants to leak the truth–and maybe a newer BoC poster knows who or perhaps is that person?
lapiz, the morning after sighting is at one of two Sheetz gas stations in Orange, VA i believe. i think it’s the lady who said she noticed the pantera shirt cuz she was going to buy a similarly named phone for her son and was going to ask the chick wearing it whether she liked that phone, but then noticed it said pantera instead.
Of course, my previous post is off Blink’s “OD AT JMU.” The scenario could have taken place on or off campus–I’m thinking any pre-partying would have been done very close to JPJ. If Morgan OD’d they might have driven to a dark wooded area to leave her, and whether she was still alive or not, THEY have been counseled/decided to take the posture “Yeah, we dropped her off/she jumped out of our van, but she was ALIVE when we left her.”
ah, here it is — it was posted on facebook:
I saw Morgan on Sunday morning following the concert at a Sheetz’s in Orange,Va. I distinctly remember her outfit she was wearing as I thought it was an odd outfit to be wearing on a Sunday morning. When I left the store I remember seeing the letters on her shirt PENT and it caught my attention as my daughter has been wanting a Pantech Matrix phone, so I looked to see if the word was Pantech, but it was Pantera! I didn’t know what Pantera was, so thought no more about it until I read it in the news that she was wearing a shirt that had Pantera written on it! I immediately called the police and informed them. I was at the search today and told the investigators that I thought they should broaden their search to encompass Orange and surrounding areas. I continue to pray for her safe return.
Also makes no sense to me that as close as she was to them, Morgan wouldn’t just call her folks for counsel on what to do when locked out of the show. My (bad) brother got separated from his friends after a rolling stones show in philly and my folks had to drive the 3.5 hrs to go get him in the middle of the night; pulled the same stunt at another concert an hour or more away, but my poor folks went and got him. (it was the age before cell phones—yes, kids, there was such a time!—which was a shame cuz I was up in Bryn Mawr the night he was stranded in Philly and easily could have fetched him. In fact, I think I might have been at that very show.)
Very interesting, B. I agree that Morgan is not with us, nor od-ed on drugs or alcohol. I do believe she was doing a homework assignment in the car. I appreciate you posting these other possibilities though; thank you, Team.
Again, MH was at the concert.I’m glad to have her fall witnessed and verified. For anyone who has missed that last step, you’ll know you don’t always do a face-plant. I imagine Morgan was fairly lithe and bobbled down onto one knee, then the other, falling onto one forearm and then the other. The weight of the head caused her chin to glance the floor, ending with a small abrasion. A drink in one hand and a camera or phone in the other–it would be more likely that the phone/camera would go flying than the drink, which we always try not to spill.
I’ve seen many a wee one fall and never get their cookie, ice cream, or lollipop on the floor.
I stand corrected about SS’s comment “we wouldn’t have let her do it” in reference to the bathroom trip.
It just sounds ominous when taken out of context. Back on my wheel.
Good catch on the Facebook privacy settings. I saw that announce come up right away and didn’t even hesitate to click ‘old settings’–whew. As far as my kids’ pages. I’ve badgered both of them and monitor those pages daily. My daughter was becoming more professionally known and I had a hard time convincing her that some pics were personal. And when she was about to get married this summer, I said, you’ve got to get all those pics of you with other men outta there. (I don’t *care* if they are gay, sweetie!)
Lastly, I hope mammasita understands that localcvillegirl is a Very well-respected poster here.
She has such passion for this case and brings a local perspective. My heart grew when she related how she (and hubby!) ran the course where Morgan last walked, giving interesting details about the height of the railing, etc. They took this run on purpose.
We all get edgy from time to time, but it’s best to put the best construction on another poster’s words.
(Unless they keep posting crap and then sometimes…end up with a Blink-slap.)
Me, I’m working for more cheese. More cheese gets me closer to finding Morgan and putting some sob in front of Lady Justice.
If I missed a diss to Localcvillegirl I apolly, You are correct, she is, like alot of us, very active in Morgan’s case. She is also local, and having those feet on the street as it were, is invaluable.
I am not encouraged at all by some of the coverage I read yesterday on her case, sadly.
I dare say we all need some cheese to hit the wheel again.
My fave is Bleu and please help yourself. I have known WPG to share hers as well.
As we approach the Holidays, I commit to doing another piece on Morgan’s case next week and then Team and I will need to focus as best I can on Holiday for the Blinks et al.
My thoughts and prayers stay with Morgan and the Harrington’s.
B
more on the sheetz sighting (not on facebook, but topix) http://www.topix.com/forum/city/keswick-va/T9798NSRS9833NFUQ/p2
The girl I saw at Sheetz’s in Orange,Va that Sunday morning appeared to be alone as I did not see her talking to anyone. I remember her coming out as I was going in. Her head was down. When I left the store, I distinctly remember seeing her as she was dressed in all black. She was standing next to the trashcan. I saw the letters Pent which made me do a double take to see if it was going to say Pentech, but it was Pentera. She was just standing there not talking to anyone. I reported all I remembered to the State Police. They looked at the video from the store but said they didn’t see her, but also said they didn’t see me. The cashiers confirmed I was there. So I’m wondering if maybe they would go back and go over the video again. It haunts me when I close my eyes and can see the word Pantera on her shirt and know from the description, it could have very well been Morgan. When I read the description of what she was wearing I got so excited that I immediately put it on Facebook and notified the State Police. I have wracked my brain trying to think of any more details. I got more fliers yesterday at the search and will distribute them in Orange and Gordonsville. I just hope the information might give her parents some hope. I continue to search and pray for her safe return.
Thank you for your comments, because the one that commented he wouldn’t put any weight in this wasn’t very nice. I am very sure of what I saw and I truly believe I did see Morgan. I would swear on my mothers grave, that’s how sure I am.
I also do not believe she OD’ed or had alcohol poisoning. I also don’t believe there was a BG unknown to her just waiting in a dark corner to grab the first girl walking by. (Yes I know this does happen) I think she went with someone she knew (could be slightly “knew” as in meaning, met that night at JPJ) because she was in a terrible predictment and didn’t know what else to do at the time. That to me makes sense with SS’s comment “We wouldn’t have done it”.
I am confused on the dog sniffing deal though. I am not totally sure how they work, if someone would like to explain….I would think LE KNOWS where she traveled that night, because of the dogs finding her scent. But someone else mentioned if someone else had on something belonging to Morgan, would the dogs find that too, and if that is true can we discount the timeline with not knowing if it was actually Morgan the dogs are picking up? Heck with all the purse deal going on, someone could have picked it up and carried it, the dogs pick up Morgans scent. Yeah I need someone to explain how the dogs work…LOL.
And Blink the next part you can edit or delete if you would like, I don’t want to cast stones somewhere they shouldn’t be. I was looking through the registered Sex offenders and noticed a 20 yr. old guy with history of violence who was charged with Rape. He lives somewhere around 29 but by the looks of the map real close to it. I am not from Cville so bear with me on that. if she was on the bridge (and I don’t for a minute think she was HH…)or he could have been in the parking lot tailgating even and she happened upon him, someone of this kind, around her age, not bad looking says ‘Hey since you are locked out of the concert and have a few hours to kill, my fiends are having a party, wanna go? I’ll bring you back here before the concert is over with” And off she went. Food for thought anyways.
You are amazing Blink and so is everyone on this site.
Liam,
I meant no harm with my comments about your basketball player subjects. Just wanted to express that your comments seemed rather unwarranted, considering how much time and effort had gone into
analyzing them. Yes, you’ve got to break eggs to make omelets, but you’ve still got to tend them carefully and with understanding.
I’m feel moved that you are following the case from so far and you’ve been touched by this tragic case. We need a lot more people to open their eyes and see what’s going on around us. Thanks for posting.
The 2 Blink Editors may very well be on to something.
On Thanksgiving Day, around 11am, my mother and sister we’re traveling to MD. Something happened with my mom’s car-something underneath the front end was hanging down and they had to stop to try to find some way to put it back up. Anyway, they stopped around Port Republic Road and Devon Lane. I’m not sure which exit that it off of, I just know they got off an exit with a McD’s because they were hoping to grab a burger-Fix the car and eat in the same stop. Of course McD’s was closed because it was Thanksgiving. Anyway, they got out of the car and was greeted with a very foul smell. It was a dead smell, and it didn’t smell like a dead animal. My sister called me and asked, “Didn’t Morgan stop at JMU that day?” because she knows I’ve been following the case; I went to school with Morgan and Alex. They tell me where they are and I look it up on Google maps, and sure enough, it’s not that far from JMU. (I distinctly remember reading here where Blink said 2 others didn’t believe Morgan made it to the concert) While on the phone with my sister, they went walking trying to find where the smell was coming from. My mother and sister agreed it smelled like a dead body, and unfortunately they know that decomposing smell. I convinced them to call Morgan’s tip line and told them that while it may be nothing, it could be something-or someone, even if it’s not Morgan. My mom called the number I gave her, from her cell, so I was able to hear her part of the conversation. My mother told them where they were and were able to give them the coordinates from the TomTom. I know people have complained about not hearing back from anyone but, VSP-I believe thats who it was-called my mother back within 10 minutes and had her tell exactly what she said when she called into the tip line. Needless to say, I stayed glued to the news most of Thanksgiving and days after.
Sorry that this is all over the place but that whole ordeal makes me believe that in some way, VSP feels the same as the 2 Blink Editors.
So was the information your Mom gave checked out to your knowledge?
Thanks for posting this, but we will agree to disagree that VSP believes she never made it to the concert. They very much do.
B
Dar, but was she in a terrible predicament? She had a phone and was in contact with her friends on the inside of the show who could have gotten the keys and or money to her if she needed that. She could have called her folks or the other 6 of the 9 for ideas or assistance or to pass the time. She could have hung around the arena, maybe inside the ticket lobby if it is enclosed, and listened to the show for 2 hours until it ended, so at least she would have HEARD the band.
Well, Blink, accessing those private pages should prove to be a treasure trove! That is the best news yet. Tho, presumably, LE has had access to them for a long time, and hopefully they would have noticed some messages like “can’t wait to meet you at the show!” and followed them to the source. But you never know—something might have slipped by their watchful eyes.
Karen55 posts on Topix in answer to questions being asked by posters
The girl I saw at Sheetz’s in Orange,Va that Sunday morning appeared to be alone as I did not see her talking to anyone. I remember her coming out as I was going in. Her head was down. When I left the store, I distinctly remember seeing her as she was dressed in all black. She was standing next to the trashcan. I saw the letters Pent which made me do a double take to see if it was going to say Pentech, but it was Pentera. She was just standing there not talking to anyone. I reported all I remembered to the State Police. They looked at the video from the store but said they didn’t see her, but also said they didn’t see me. The cashiers confirmed I was there. So I’m wondering if maybe they would go back and go over the video again. It haunts me when I close my eyes and can see the word Pantera on her shirt and know from the description, it could have very well been Morgan. When I read the description of what she was wearing I got so excited that I immediately put it on Facebook and notified the State Police. I have wracked my brain trying to think of any more details. I got more fliers yesterday at the search and will distribute them in Orange and Gordonsville. I just hope the information might give her parents some hope. I continue to search and pray for her safe return.
Thank you for your comments, because the one that commented he wouldn’t put any weight in this wasn’t very nice. I am very sure of what I saw and I truly believe I did see Morgan. I would swear on my mothers grave, that’s how sure I am.
Was she alone?
Yes she was alone, just standing by the trashcan. I did not see her talking to anyone. I did not see her get in a car as I had walked to my burgundy Impala and drove home.
Thank you for believing me, as the LE didn’t. He told me he saw me on the video get into a white truck-funny I have a burgundy Impala, I did not get into a white truck. One of the employees told me she tried to tell the LE that the person that he said was me, was not me, so I don’t what part of the video he was looking at as he said he fastforwarded some of the video. When I tried to explain that I didn’t get into a white truck, he became angry with me. I was just trying to help them.
Karen55
I have signed up and am really glad that I have given hope. I really didn’t appreciate being called a liar from the LE and in the future, will contact a friend of mine that is on the police force in Culpeper.
Karen55
I did ask the workers if they saw her, but they said they didn’t. I was thinking she may have just gone in to go to the bathroom and I saw her as she was leaving.
I live in Orange. I don’t know why when I posted it said Warrenton.
Karen5
After Karens last post she was asked by a poster if she saw a necklace but she(Karen) didn’t post again.
@ Skyler
Again, Rnmom, my post is not directed at you at all — and I do, tremendously so, respect the posters on this board, and your obvious care and concern for Morgan and her family, but now that we’ve suffered thru almost two months of no news of Morgan — how, if any, has this case affected your life ? What will you do in the future to be that “good” that thwarts evil from happening
This case and cases like these affect my life everyday. As my screen name indicates I am a RN and a Mom. My daughter is a senior in high school. She has always been a honor student, she volunteers, she has never had a boyfriend, she loves music, sweet, naive, and loves to think she is independant and can change the world. The summer before she went into first grade we were swimming at a lake and another little girl we had never met introduced herself to my daughter and said “I am going into 3rd grade”, my daughter looks back at her and
says “well I am going to college”. She has always been so determined.
Now that the time has arrived, she is looking at colleges all over the country. I would love to be able to send her and be able to sleep at night. I try to tell her about the dangers and what to do and not to do but, as I stated she is 17 and thinks she is grown and I am paranoid. I actually own the Gift of Fear and have been encouraging her to read it. It was given to me as a gift when I was a single mother and had someone stalking me. This story of Morgan hit so close to home because Morgan’s spirit reminds me so much of my own daughter. I could see my daughter being so pumped up about a concert going with friends and to the bathroom alone. I could also see her ending up outside accidently. Although she scored a 33 on her ACT, she does some things that makes me wonder how.
Morgan’s case is not the only one that has affected me strongly. There is Annie Le and many others. Not to mention Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome, this happened way too close to home for me. If you haven’t heard of this case, it is one of the most horrific things I have ever heard. Read the transcripts to the interrogations of the two main perps in this case. I guarantee you it will make you sick to your stomach. The victims in this case were then revictimized on trial by the defense not once but 3 times now and there are still two to go.
You mentioned, rapes and child abuse that go unreported. I see it way too often at work. I have worked in the operating room for 12 years, I can handle seeing a lot of things. I actually am an RNFA which means I actually assist surgeons during surgery. People ask me all of the time if I have ever gotten sick during surgery. The answer is no. The truth is, I have not but I once threw up after a case because of the circumstances. I will only say it involved a 12 year old girl and her parents. The justice system failed her. So, would I have helped Morgan? Without a doubt
I do not believe Morgan had a drink in her hand, taking pictures fell flat on her face and never lost the drink.
I do believe so many people failed her that night. Her friends, security, the BB players, witness to hh. They could have all stepped up and intervened. I have a couple of theories about what happened, as everyone on here does. I enjoy reading everyone’s post it helps me know that there are people out there that care. On the other hand I also get very upset when people go the blame the victim route. I will just hang back and try to make heads or tells of all of this in hopes that this case will get some resolution soon.
I believe so, when they called my mother back, at the end of the conversation he let her know that he and a few officers were on the way to the area she gave them. But at the same time, it could have been “something to say”
At least it lets me know they’re checking out all possibilities.
Definitely. I agree.
B
I hope if anything positive comes from this, it will make students, especially female students, on 3 campuses, UVa, VT and JMU, realize that they can act as the first line of defense for their friends. This is not intended as a put down of Morgan’s friends. At 20, I don’t know what my reactions would have been if everything we have heard is true, that she did indeed call to say she would find her own way home. Twenty year olds in most aspects, are adults, but to a degree they still maintain some of the innocence of childhood. That innocence often leads them to believe that they are safe from harm, in other words, bad things happen to someone else. Maybe students on these 3 campuses will think more when they are not sure what situation their friends are facing. I hope, at least for awhile, this will cause our college students to have each others back, work on a buddy system, have someone you trust that you can call if you have any type of a problem, a person you know will drop everything to come to your assistance. I’m still young enough to know there are circumstances where young people think they would rather die (I sincerely hope this is not a bad choice of words) than call a parent. Try to have a friend who you can tell anything, who you know will come to you no matter what. Make yourself that type of a friend to another student. Unfortunately, none of us live in Mayberry. Even “Mayberry” is not the safe town Andy Griffith grew up in, evidence the 4 murders that occurred in Mount Airy just recently.
Sorry Suz…I am speaking from a mothers view….to me if my child had to follow the same chain of events it would have been a terrible predictment..From where I am standing. Of course looking through the eyes of a 20 year old, no maybe it wasn’t.
good morning, J2K — in reference to a possible head injury incurred when Morgan fell inside JPJ, you make a really really excellent point — >>If she threw up or passed out from spiraling head trauma, the kids she was with likely thought it was from drinking too much, and maybe thought she would sleep it off <<
I didn’t know about the “if your kids throws up after a head injury, get thy child to hospital ER pronto” — also after said head injury, don’t let the kid go to sleep — most 20-somethings aren’t going to know that and may have thought she was just “stoned”
that’s what’s so bloody frustrating in this case, there are so many “what if” scenarios — and so many of them make sense !
but I gotta tell ya, when you started your post, “I consulted my cats…” I was thinking: so he’s got psychic cats ?
Ha.
both vomitting and sleeping are in fact signs of an internal brain injury — the brain swells — that’s why pediatricians tell parents of heavy-headed 2 y/o’s — if they fall and get a goose egg on the head, that’s a “good” thing –
Blink, are you able to give us any “cryptic” message regarding the “goldmine” ?
I already did. lol
B
same question for nymom —why do you take the battery out instead of turning the phone or ringer off?
@suz–it’s an old habit I started while driving–easier/safer to feel than to look.
I would like to make one more, probably preachy sounding point. Parents, especially parents of teenagers, should establish a non-judgmental contract with their children. I’m taking this suggestion from things I have read, and something my sister did with her kids. When they started dating they were told that if they ever got in any type of trouble; loss of money, too much to drink, scary situation or whatever, they could call their mother or father. One would pick them up immediately with no recriminations or discussions that night while the parent might have been over-the-top angry or the child was in no condition to talk. That doesn’t mean whatever happened was swept under the carpet, never to be discussed. Talking, and hopefully lesson learned, came hours later, when time had passed and both had a chance to calm down and think through what happened. Both girls were picked up at least once after their dates had gotten drunk. One girl got drunk herself after her date abandoned her at a party. Their parents, very wisely, said nothing on those nights when the kids were rescued from a bad situation, but the next day impressed on them very strongly what dangerous positions they had put themselves in, but again made it clear that they were there for them anytime there was a problem. Being responsible parents, they also made sure the parents of the kid who served alcohol at a teenage party was made aware of the situation. These girls have now finished college and are very responsible young adults. Morgan is older than these kids, that was my point above about having friends you can always count on, but when kids are still at home, parents should put themselves in the position of being the people to be counted on and very possibly stop a tragedy before it occurs. Safety to all, and prayers for Morgan and her family.
Dar, I didn’t mean to downplay her predicament—but your comment made me realize it wasn’t as dire as having no phone, no security guards around, in a completely deserted place, with no friends or car practically within your reach. Seems like she had so many avenues at her disposal. But of course it was could have been MORE of a terrible predicament if she were inebriated or in a fight with her friends inside—or whatever circumstances might make her reluctant to contact her folks or friends.
So that leads us back to the thinking that she either was planning to meet someone the whole time, or she did get locked out unexpectedly and contacted someone she was comfortable getting a ride with, and the whole hitchhiking thing is just a misunderstanding or mistaken identity or something. Surely she would call her folks or the rest of the 9 or wait for her friends rather than HH. I dunno. If the dogs hit her scent on the bridge, then it seems like she was on the bridge.