Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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>>Comment by susanm — December 12, 2009 @ 2:14 am
skyler ,didnt you say you saw a car pulled over on the road that night??iirc. i cant remember what time though ,earlier, probably.<<<
wow; great memory — yes, I did — I love love love C-ville — one of my favorite places on earth — but I have to admit, I’m surprised I can find my way home sometimes — unless I have landmarks, I am directionally challenged to say the least — years ago, C’ville blocked off the Main St. area and turned it into a pedestrian mall — so my plan was to drop the kids off, have dinner and catch a movie — this was B4 DST, so it was still light out at 6 PM — the mt. views around the UVA campus are just gorgeous — I swear this is going someplace — but I kept somehow making a wrong turn and ended up circling around the campus morethan once — there was a church selling pumpkins and offering free parking w/ pumpkin purchase — there appeared to be a group of parents doing clean-up/painting at an elementary or pre-school — caterers setting up for a wedding (I know this because I passed a charter bus that had “wedding party” — on the charter name — somehow I managed to make it downtown to the mall — after the movie I got lost again — and somehow ended up on 64 west — well, maybe not accidentally — there are several C’ville exits off 64 — and right as I stepped out of the movie theatre to walk back to the car, the skies opened up and I got soaked — no umbrella; it was in the car — so the “reason” I remember the car being pulled over on 64– it was very soon after the on-ramp and it was still raining not as hard, but just cold and icky — and I remember thinking: what a crummy night to break down — the passenger side door was open — don’t know if car had 4 or 2 doors — and there was a male — or appeared to be a male — w/ feet on concrete leaning into the car — there was at least 1, maybe more, people inside —
And the 2nd reason I paid attention — some of the worse injuries/deaths sustained on interstate highways are cars pulled off onto the shoulder — btw, if your car breaks down on the interstate — pull way the hell over — even into the grass — and whatever you do, if you stop for an accident or something — pull your car way way way far ahead of the accident site and run back to the car —
so when I saw them, I was thinking; crummy weather/ not pulled over far enough off the shoulder —
so I took the next C-ville exit and somehow ended back in the downtown area and drove twice over Copley bridge — turned the wrong way the first time —
I don’t have any recollection of seeing anyone on the bridge either time I drove over it, and absolutely no HH’g female on the bridge — but if the sightings of female on bridge are accurate at 9:30 — then I missed her by five mins. either way — I must have been there either around 9:25 or 9:35 —
also — odn’t know whether this is even relevant, but I tried to make hotel reservations the week prior to concert and there were no rooms available — so if there was a party in a hotel room afterward — I was parked behind the EconoLodge and definitely people from the concert got back to their room while I was still waiting on the boys and cranked up the music — but they had to have prior reservations –
And kudos to Blink and crew on saving the FB info — I’m not computer savvy at all — but I tell my kid all the time — once it’s on the internet, it’s out there for the public to read –
Thanks, NYMom, that makes sense. So your sibling thought they had a captive audience if you were driving somewhere, lol. (sounds like)
Wow, sounds like karen55 ran into a regular deputy Cain (didn’t believe the witness, couldn’t be bothered to look at what people were trying to tell him, only valued his own wrong opinion, etc.). Man oh man. If Cain had been a better cop, Caylee might have been found in August instead of Dec. If the Sheetz dude had been a better cop, who knows where we would be now. (if there’s anything to that sighting.)
oh, nevermind, nymom–you said it was an old habit, not that you were driving (see how carefully i read? oy veh!)
So then the Facebook was a goldmine. I am sorry I missed it I read everything day in and day out. How could I miss something like that?
Will you be releasing any information or pictures? The world waits for something, anything.
I don’t believe the friends were driving around with Morgan in the trunk or dumping bodies. I think their coverup was in the initial interview when they still thought Morgan was going to “surface”. I think they were just covering for a friend. But as the time went on and the case progressed I am sure they poured out their hearts to LE.
What a terrible thing for young people to lose a friend like this. Heck nobody expects something like this to “really” happen to them.
So without further ado…I am going to take my cheese and ponder my next move. Shall it be to room two or shall I simply sit on my tail and wait for more cheese to appear and wait..wait..wait.
Mamasitta (#2072), wow, I apologize if you mistook my earlier post for fighting words. Either you mis-read, or I mis-wrote my sarcasm…I was trying to agree with you and Lizzy, in a way, but didn’t word it well. I had sounded ditsy and naive in an earlier post, sounding like I’d put my kids in harms way just to show I cared about a total stranger. I was trying to say that I, too, would be careful about who I let into my car.
My friends and I say to eachother all time…you watch my kids and I’ll watch yorn…it’s just what we do here in our community. Your babies are my babies. I wish to God I had been there on that bridge to pull Morgan into my car. Dan and Gil’s baby is mine, also, and as a community she’s ours. She somehow vanished right here in our town, and we’re left feeling like we let her down.
I don’t believe I said anything about your child, directly, but I apologize if you misunderstood and took it the wrong way.
rnmom — off topic, I know — but I laughed really out loud — >>The summer before she went into first grade we were swimming at a lake and another little girl we had never met introduced herself to my daughter and said “I am going into 3rd grade”, my daughter looks back at her and
says “well I am going to college”.<<<
don’t you long for the days when you thought the worst thing that was happening was their first day of kindergarten ?
My son is 18 and lives away from home now — is having a blast — and the thing I’ve learned as a parent is: we can’t micro-manage our kids — as much as we’d like to — and as much as I still try to — what parents w/ older kids keep telling me is: you have to trust that what you put in them as they were growing up will stay with them until they know better, and they survive the time inbetween.
The boys came down and had dinner with me last night — and the conversation revolved around what it always resolves around w/ those two — girls !!! We actually watched the Hallmark movie, Mrs. Miracle — and it showed a couple “courting” taking it slow, getting to know each other — I tried to tell them, this is how you build a relationship and they both laughed and said: it would never happen w/ today’s dating —
Which is another reason I firmly believe Morgan was at the concert and had planned all along to meet up with a boy which led to her ultimate demise.
Blink said it best, while she doesn’t hold the “friends” responsible, no way you ever leave your wing man — ever –
Even if everything they are saying publically is 100 % accurate: when Morgan says: I’ll get another ride home — you don’t say: okay — you say: how, w/ whom ? No, wait, we’ll bring the keys — stay by the door — not: Okay.
And I still can’t get past one of the “friends” statement –I don’t know which friend it was — our local TV station did an interview during the “search” and this is a direct quote, responding to Morgan missing: “This is just the worst thing — ever”
Huh ?
Harrington’s college roommate, Amy Melvin, told The Roanoke Times that her friend walked out of the stadium before Metallica appeared on stage, but she didn’t know why.
Rader said Harrington then called her friends to let them know she wouldn’t be coming back, and disappeared sometime after 9:30 p.m.
A passerby found her cell phone and purse in a small parking lot near the arena Sunday morning, Rader said. An extensive ground search ended late Wednesday.
Words Matter
Did she say ” Cant get back in, will get ride”? Or “I wont be back”?
Was her purse found in Cage Lot or RV Lot?
Why did friends wait for her for a reasonable time if she said she was getting ride or wouldn’t be back?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569141,00.html
Word of caution:
Years ago as a young college student I would HH across the state, on weekends (concerts,parties,homesick). Never alone and never at night (not that night would make a difference).
One day a girlfriend and I wanted to go to a baseball game on the other side of town. Decided to hitch a ride, we were picked up by a man in his 40′s.
He told us that it was not safe for girls to HH and that more times than not the police don’t do anything to rapists. He said he belonged to a group of men that that privately took care of assailants/rapists when the justice system failed.
Remember back in the day, lawyers were able to get these guys (rapist’s) off Scot free because they made it look like it was the woman’s fault.
Anyway, at that point he reached under his seat and pulled out a gun and said “this is why I carry this where ever I go”. I was sitting in the front sit next to him, I told him how much I appreciated what he did, that I got his point and could he please put the gun away.
I don’t know if he was legit or if my guardian angel was working overtime. Regardless he drove us to the baseball field and dropped us off. I never HH again.
Now as far as picking up HH, because I was a pasted HH’er I thought it my duty to help a person out with a ride. Especially women.
Than the day came when I was on a business trip with another lady from my office. We saw a woman with crutches HH. Picked her up and gave her a ride to the nearest hospital that she wanted to go too(said she needed to go there and pick up some medication). That turned out to be the scariest 20 minute ride of my life.
This woman suffered from a serious mental illness, I had to do some quick talking to keep her under control. I have never picked up another HH’er PERIOD! Just because it is a woman does not mean that you and your children would be safe.
I know that everyone here has a big heart. But please always use caution.
MsL said (2098), “Parents, especially parents of teenagers, should establish a non-judgmental contract with their children. I’m taking this suggestion from things I have read, and something my sister did with her kids. When they started dating they were told that if they ever got in any type of trouble; loss of money, too much to drink, scary situation or whatever, they could call their mother or father. One would pick them up immediately with no recriminations or discussions that night while the parent might have been over-the-top angry or the child was in no condition to talk. That doesn’t mean whatever happened was swept under the carpet, never to be discussed. Talking, and hopefully lesson learned, came hours later, when time had passed and both had a chance to calm down and think through what happened.”
Amen, amen, amen. This exact situation happened wth my 18 year-old college freshman daughter who was left at a downtown concert in Charlotte NC the weekend after Morgan went missing. I was glad to get out of my warm bed and get the GPS programmed knowing my daughter’s safety could be in severe jeopardy.
For the record, this was a real eye opener for my daughter regarding going somewhere with people who don’t have your back. She is free to choose who she hangs with, but I bet it won’t be that b**ch again, who said, “Nothing happened…get over it!”
Kudos to you and your daughter. She knew to call you, and you laid the groundwork for her comfort to do so. As it should be.
B
ohiomom (re: #2060)
Keep in mind that the only LE-identified MH witnesses in the JPJ-area lots that night were the UVa b-ball players.
suz (re: #2063)
MH’s phone went dead at 9:30 pm, Oct. 17. No pings after that.
Around the same time, MH was reportedly walking over Copeley (bridge) toward Ivy Lane.
So, the phone was in her purse, and the whole shebang fell off her back as she made her way toward Copeley Road, breaking apart on impact – thus the battery was not turned in with the rest of her materials. Or, her camera and battery were taken from the abandoned bag later that night by a petty thief before being discovered the next morning by a UVa maintenance person or Good Samaritan. Or, it was torn from her and tossed to the side by the perp before she was seen on Copeley. Or, a perp knew MH had been seen in the RV/Cage lots at some point in the night, and decided to go out of the way to toss her purse back there. (Weird, imo… and sort of pointless)
Whatever. We won’t know until we know. But, as I’ve said before, we *know* the bag and most of her phone stayed behind when MH disappeared. I’m still not grasping the significance of their discovery. The only thing worth speculation is the missing battery – and only because *if* the perp removed the battery from her phone (and idiotically left the rest of her cell behind), it may imply what? stealth? ….Is that it? Is it that the “X” responsible for her disappearance watches truTV? I’m just not getting why that’s important.
Sorry, but it sounds like if around 8:15 pm MH was so incoherent that she wordlessly wandered away from people who picked her up off the floor of a concert venue, and was inexplicably outside the arena at 8:30 – her purse being left behind accidentally or dropped just an hour later was par for the course at that point in her evening – and, for the record, this is not noted dismissively on my part or with disrespect; rather, it’s utterly heartbreaking. I don’t know about you guys, but I definitely put myself in (hindsight) precarious positions when I was MH’s age. And so did many other young women I knew… but we all made it out of that period safe-and-sound on the other end, building our experiences into warnings for the girls growing up in our wake. It is so tremendously sad to think MH – a beautiful, much-loved young lady I’ll never know – was not as fortunate in this game of chance; to think that MH made similar choices to those we’ve all made (and possibly regretted – or those we didn’t think twice about), but did not live to retell the tale.
Not. Fair.
That said, I’m not sure what to make of this “she never made it to the show” speculation – suz, B, I’m totally with you on that. It just seems like such utter hubris to assume that we, in a speculative bubble, have a better grasp on what happened or who’s responsible for this missing woman than LE, who have so much more information (relatively speaking, obvs) than we do.
What’s the theory? That we were all duped by a vast conspiracy perpetrated by the oh-so-clever Friends and their JMU accomplices when MH unexpectedly… what? “bit it” late-afternoon that fateful day? And, in covering up this bizarre incident in order to see Metallica, her cunning Friends were lucky enough to have the cooperation of a random regional collective of concert attendees who, out of hundreds of their peers who came forth after Oct. 17, stood out with their verifiable recollections of seeing/interacting with MH that night… but really saw someone else, despite MH’s distinctive look and personal details? And, so mus laid down by MH’s good friends?
What is this – a Kafka novel?
I see the value in and have gained much insight from this site – and I’m not so naive to think LE is beyond reproach… but Cuh-mon. Between her multiple 20-year-old college-student Friends’ accounts of the night – told separately and under formal questioning conditions; witnesses to MH before, during, and after the show – all extensively questioned by police; and an unmoving timeline doggedly stuck to by LE… well *Virginia State Police* are either rolling their eyes at the Harringtons while nudging the Friends, or they are pursuing all the angles we lay-observers think of at our leisure.
Do you seriously believe that with no *discernible* tape of this girl at the show (though not uncommon) and no definitive destination as yet determined regarding her steps after approaching the BBallers, LE *never* considered the possibility that MH did not actually enter Cville, as she was left behind at JMU? That they felt no pressure to explore beyond the surface story floated out to the public?
Yeah…
Talk about ‘Not buying it.’
skyler (re: #2095)
Ha!!! In retrospect, that post did start off like I was about to share a revelation regarding MH’s disappearance my cats revealed to me… heck, at this point, maybe it’d help the case along. ["honey, get me the can-opener!"]
Oh, and not that it matters much here, but I’m a female poster.
suz (re: #2103)
Please disregard – I misread your post about *before-9:30* pings; I know you’re aware of the same facts I am. mea culpa.
Does anyone else think that DH may have remote access to Morgan’s computer like Webwatchers and that is how he had her passwords etc. Also, maybe a GPS tracking device on her car that she may have found out about, so she would remove it at a location she would want him to believe she was at? Could that be why he insisted her car was never at JPJ?
FWIW
I do not feel I should have to justify my opinion on HH but until I post this it will bother me what some poster’s on this site have implied about my character. I have been mugged at knife point with that knife up to my neck for my money in my vehicle and yes it was a girl younger than Morgan and a couple of guy’s not looking like they were scary, dirty, poor, ugly, no they looked like they possibly could of had nice families at home. My point is and still is stanger’s come in all shapes, size’s, and gender’s and until you have walked a day in my shoe’s don’t tell me what you would do or what I should do!
Ask your own kid’s sometime what a stranger look’s like. They will probably tell you that they have dirty clothe’s on, scary looking, sometime’s mean, all kind’s of crazy thing’s.
But my kid’s answer now and alway’s( b/c I have taught them ) is anyone!
Thank You and have a great and safe life for those of you that live in a Bubble
Suz #2044 —
I was just recently at a Redskins game (last weekend). We could not believe all of the falling down drunk people there. It was crazy. I guess your tailgater’s story is true.
People were also smoking everywhere. Seemed to be no restrictions. I actually watched a very drunk guy pick up an old stepped-on cigarette butt and start “smoking” it, as if he had dropped it. It wasn’t even lit, and it was flat! I had to laugh. But, it seemed to me that the drunkenness was pretty acceptable there.
Forgive me I am way behind here as I have house guests and helping a friend who just had neck surgery but comment #1777 struck a nerve when stating that women will hold onto their purse no matter what. About 25 years ago when I was 18 I got hit by a car while crossing the road and I remember flying through the air thinking I had to hold onto my purse and clutching it to my side. When I landed I still had it over my shoulder. Praying Morgan to be found soon.
just a question, but is anybody on this site under 30 or have kids 18-20?
What’s YOUR status OYE?
Is that a real question?
Directing NO other person to answer this, as this is clearly NOT a constructive question in Morgan’s case, I will: I am over 30, and I have no children in that age range.
Your Point? I grow weary already.
B
j2k, no worries! I misread posts half the time, and I spend the other half posting something stupid, lol.
mjh, thanks for your firsthand account of the Skins scene. You can even google the dead tree crew—I think they have a web site. They’re pretty proud of it for whatever reason. And they’re not youngsters—there’s a bunch of grandpa types that belong. Very odd, what people enjoy, but I guess it makes sense with the way the skins are playing. But I digress….
No matter how this turns out, I believe Gil Harrington is going to make a great voice for the missing. Whether she knows it or not, she already is. Her writings really touch my soul.
>>>skyler (re: #2095)
Ha!!! In retrospect, that post did start off like I was about to share a revelation regarding MH’s disappearance my cats revealed to me… heck, at this point, maybe it’d help the case along. ["honey, get me the can-opener!"]
Oh, and not that it matters much here, but I’m a female poster.
<<<<
oops — sorry — Girl Power !! I thought in one of your prior posts you talked about your “wife” … : )
we have the flip-top cans for our cats — I swear, it’s how I used to call ‘em — and my cat still has not come home from being lost after I moved in Oct. — I raised her from a kitten — and her baby sister from the next litter (neighbor’s cat) — and I miss her like crazy — I see pictures and I get teary-eyed; I unpacked her little Christmas stocking last week — and put it back in the box — I made up flyers — walked personally to every house in my little country lane — went to two suspected sightings; call her everyday when I take this barkie dog for walks — When I miss my little Sugar, I think of Morgan and the hell her parents are going through — I read that Gil wrote in one of her blogs about Dr. Harrington having gulleys down his face from crying so often –
Then I think about this blog and all the people who post here and care about this girl and this family who are strangers — and people all around the world sending their love and support to them — I read the account of a float in the Roanoke Christmas parade where the people were passing out flyers and chanting: We WILL find you, Morgan,yes, we will !
SuzeeB, plus, wasn’t it the friends who called Morgan, rather than the other way around? I don’t know if I’ve ever run across a more confusing story. Considering the paltry few so-called facts that we have, I find I have no confidence in any of them.
Blink comment (snipped):
“How many 20 year olds do you know say “This party was here” Or she was with her party” we have a mutual friend of another friend. B 4 real.”
O, U mean like look-a-like Dee Spolarics and Dave Gardner’s words 2 the media. Funny choice 2 use the “party” word, yeah, 2 right.
Although, I believe DG is a UVA Alumni, so that would make him 20plus.
Also (touched on earlier), DG said in regards to his “interaction” with MH, ““It was definitely her, I’m 100 percent certain of that.”
Considering MH and Dee have gotten SO mixed up for one another,
IMO, he is “100% certain” because he either knows Morgan Harrington or has at least seen her on more than this occasion, knows Dee Spolarics, knows both, or is not quite being Kosher for some reason (purely speculating on the not Kosher). Of course, it is possible he is an individual that has a photographic memory or a trained eye that can positively identify and describe someone from a brief interaction, right down to the the number of people she arrived with, and later noticing the number of people sans Morgan who left in the vehicle.
I do find it odd that he and his “party” returned to their vehicle THE SAME TIME as MH’s “party” did at the end of the concert. To me, this means MH’s friends did not take any time to look for her after the concert, or David Gardner (and his “party”) helped the friends to look for MH, or the friends did look for her without DG’s help but by some crazy, freak coincidence ended up at the parking lot where their cars were parked together, at the same time or at just the right time to see the vehicle “without Morgan” leave.
By the way, do we know what time the friends left JPJ?
I’m a HS teacher and had to confiscate a phone from a student the other day per policy.
He took his battery out because he didn’t want anyone reading his texts or listening to his voicemail.
I know this isn’t new, but it apparently is QUITE common with my students.
is it true that she worked a summer in cville ,the first reports i heard were that she said she would get a ride home from friends in cville,maybe some in dorms or apartments ,student without car ,someone she knows will be home ,maybe her battery dies ,she cant call will drop by ,(only becuase le is confident,and trying to follow that line),decides friendly college town ,college type will pick up,hh’s and wrong deal ,mentions she cant call where she;s going,cuz her battery is dead,he being a perp and thus his intentions thinks bingo, concerned about cell phone ,tells her if she takes the battery out for a while and puts it back in she ‘ll get a little more (perps being what they are)(is it necessary that the battery was removed at 9:30,as opposed to running out?) ,other wise to follow the le info to where she might have been hh to ,jmu ,party scene.what do you think that the probabilty would be for a person who picks up a hh ,a pretty blonde to be a perp.so if indeed she was hh ,its obvious what happened. the question, how confident is le that she was hh? cuz its either stranger or so called friend or new aguaintance(not so stange).
Sweetpea, I hear you. Been there. The 60′s were different times than this day of age, but there were still BG.
A similar incident happened to me and a girlfriend HH. An older, small, grandfather type picked us up and a few miles later he said he wanted to pick up a six pack. OK. Few miles later he turned off onto a dirt road and said he wanted to get rid of some junk he had in the back of his truck. My internal red flag went up and I immediately ask him take us back to the main road. He said it would only take a minute. I pulled by hair brush out of my purse and told him “Now” and began screaming at him what we would do if he didn’t. I think there are many of us that wore our guardian angels to a frazzle and I know myself I still give thanks.
Snipped from J2K:
I don’t know about you guys, but I definitely put myself in (hindsight) precarious positions when I was MH’s age. And so did many other young women I knew… but we all made it out of that period safe-and-sound on the other end, building our experiences into warnings for the girls growing up in our wake. It is so tremendously sad to think MH – a beautiful, much-loved young lady I’ll never know – was not as fortunate in this game of chance; to think that MH made similar choices to those we’ve all made (and possibly regretted – or those we didn’t think twice about), but did not live to retell the tale.
Not. Fair.
How true, and very eloquently said.
Blink are you on facebook? If so which account is legit?
Huh? Only blinkoncrime.
B
AAAAAACCCCCKKKKK! AFLAC!
posted this to you on a DIFFERENT thread (I am so done already):
Blink
PLEASE DON’T POST
BIG, BIG BOO-BOO ON MY PART
My apologies, it is not TYRONE Johnson that’s been on the facebooks, it’s DEREK Johnson, this guy:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Derek-Johnson/31206083
My brain got scrambled when I read someone went at (my) Hokie Man 24.
hee, hee, silly me.
I’m not a believer in the theory that Morgan never made it to the concert. My only reason is my faith in human nature. I’ve had some catty and backstabbing friends in my day, but even at their very worst they would never ditch a dead friend and head on to a concert and have a great time. That would be pure evil. And they most certainly would not keep quiet about it 2 months later knowing what hell her family is going through. No way.
I believe all the witness accounts are well-intentioned, because why would they make up such stories? But I wish they were more specific. Just saying “I’m sure it was Morgan” or “she was a blond in black” is not enough for me. Like the one in Orange, Va. So she had “Pant” on her shirt. But what else was she wearing? What about her hair? Her facial features and eyes? There are plenty of photos of Morgan’s face posted on the internet for these witnesses to know for sure if they saw her or not. I need specifics before I can be convinced it was Morgan they saw.
I wish we knew more. This is so frustrating…
#2121 wpgmouse
Blink comment (snipped):
“How many 20 year olds do you know say “This party was here” Or she was with her party” we have a mutual friend of another friend. B 4 real.”
In regards to your last post, I agree with all of your thoughts. Here’s another…. In my experience, a circle of friends pick up and use the same words, gestures, slang, dress, and mannerisms of other friends in their group. Are we sure that Dave Gardner is not friends of the friends of Morgan? Could he possibly be friends of Dee’s friends or that of the unnamed male companion? This would put a whole other spin on his witness account for me.
You wrote in part:
- right down to the the number of people she arrived with, and later noticing the number of people sans Morgan who left in the vehicle.- We IMO also must take into account that when Morgan’s “party” left it was full on dark. Had Dave and his “party” been drinking during the concert? It was raining and cold, were the windows of the cars masked by precipitation? All of these factors would play a part in whether or not Dave could be considered a reliable witness. And should also be considered when analyzing any other witness statements.
If Dave did not know Morgan, how can he be 100% certain he met and talked with her? Just because someone says they met so and so doesn’t make it a fact. How can we be certain any witness that came forward, including Dave and Dee were not just inserting themselves into this, or in Dee’s case, maybe exaggerating her knowledge or “interaction” with Morgan’s “party”. How can we be certain that anyone at JPJ saw or interacted with Morgan instead of some other young long haired blonde in black? Why are we taking some witness statements as fact and calling others questionable?
You hit it. I believe that exactly. I believe Gardner and “his party” are friends with the JMU “mutual friend”.
B
OPEN YOUR EYES (#2116) re:
(so so annoying to have to turn on my cap-locks key to address you, btw)
I know this does nothing to further the meaningful conversation perpetually going on here, but I’ll answer your question: I’ll be 30 in February, so I guess that puts me in your “target” demographic for true insight into this puzzling case. Well, my dear, I’ve been on Facebook (I, like, have a whole page and all!) … so I can tell you from an educated standpoint: if that’s what you’re looking for (because you clearly don’t seek an opportunity to contribute) – you should resubmerge yourself in that venue. I think it may be more your speed.
xoxo,
J2K
OYE- I am not going to tell you my age. I will say this- asking that question is irrelevant in every which way you can think of. People of all ages go to concerts with friends, people have children they care about deeply, oh yeah and people unfortunately go missing everyday.
Everyone of us are here because of Morgan. We care about her and what has happened. Not to answer questions about ourselves.
I have not seen this posted here yet. So I wondered what you guys think of this information. I think it’s another Dee sighting. Someone needs to find exactly where she was that night. Could be very helpful if that isn’t her. Anyway this was on findmorgan.com
12-11-2009, 02:33 PM
baadbobby
Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 637
Want a new lead? Do you think LE followed up on it already?
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I was originally feeling okay with LE’s efforts at following up on leads, but more and more people are posting publicly and privately about their leads going unchecked, or being barely skimmed over. I experienced first hand that a certain lead in Maryland had no LE follow up. Now I want to spill the beans about a Charlottesville lead that I turned in a month ago, and have not heard one thing about.
While checking in to a local motel for the LRC search, the desk clerk told me “…that’s the room where that girl was partyin’ with those boys that night.” The clerk knew I was in town for the search, I asked her “Morgan Harrington…” she said “yeah, my co-worker swears she seen that girl in that room with them boys that night…”
I will post the name and room number of the motel in about 24 hours, unless LE contacts me and asks me not to.
P.S. More was said during the conversation, but I will not post it, for now.
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baadbobby
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I cannot say if LE followed up on this lead. I can say LE does not go back to a tipster and tell them if they have, it would be inappropriate in an active investigation.
I COMPLETELY understand a person wanting validation on what they believe, but it is just not possible in most cases.
That said, it could very well be Dee, I agree.
B
B and Suz, Thanks for correcting me on the Sheetz sighting. Not from that area and I think the Culpepper part threw me off. I thought it was another sighting.
From Newsplex.com
December 11, 2009
A hard rock & metal benefit concert will be held on Saturday, December 19 at the Canal Club in Richmond in honor of Morgan Harrington.
Tickets will be available at the door for $15 and all proceeds will go to the Find Morgan Fund, which supports the Harrington family’s ongoing search efforts.
The event, organized by DVS Artist Management & Marchant Entertainment, will begin at 4pm with a candlelight vigil for Morgan and will run until approximately 1am.
Participating bands include Dangerous New Machine, Whiplash, Chaos Agent, Day Minus 7, At War, Memory Fade, Saint Diablo, and Arch Demon Choir.
J2K You are exactly right. It was only by the Grace of God that I survived “those years”. When I think back to some of the situations I found myself in and how stupid I was, I cant believe how fortunate I was to come out “on the other end” Absolutely, Not, Fair.
No cheese yet?
Gruyere for u.
B
I went to a Christmas Party last night. My friends daughter is 19, beautiful, about 5’6”. Very long blond hair. 120lbs
She was in the driveway , directing people wear to park. She had on a black shirt, black miniskirt, tights and boots. No coat and carrying her cell phone. It sent shivers down my spine. I couldn’t get Morgan off my mind all night.
Gruyere for u.
B
One of my favorites, but I do prefer mine without the holes in it.
lil2, thanks for more battery removal verification. I am now willing to believe that it’s something that is not all that uncommon. So…maybe it is less meaningful that her battery is not in the phone, which means we don’t necessarily need a clever perp with an LE background, nor do we need her purse to be planted (tho both those things could still be true). Did she plunk it up on top of someone’s car in the RV lot while she was chatting up the BB players and just forget it, or set it on the ground near her feet and forget it in the same manner? Did she drop it and run for her life? Was she a little out of it?
Seems like LE is pretty confident that she ends up on the bridge, so i am currently ruling out being abducted in the Cage lot and either dropping her purse in the scuffle (of which there was no sign) or ditching it on purpose.
Would she run away with someone if she didn’t have her purse?
#2120 Suz I thought Blink said “incoming” call to Morgan @8:48.
So then..getting back to facebook and their..problem.
Were there any pictures of Morgan or any of her friends sent to any members of any of the bands performing October 17?
Interesting.
I still think it would be a good thing to review video of those bands performances after October 17. Looking for a beautiful blonde in the audience.
Hi, wpgmouse post 121 >>> I do find it odd that he and his “party” returned to their vehicle THE SAME TIME as MH’s “party” did at the end of the concert. To me, this means MH’s friends did not take any time to look for her after the concert, or David Gardner (and his “party”) helped the friends to look for MH, or the friends did look for her without DG’s help but by some crazy, freak coincidence ended up at the parking lot where their cars were parked together, at the same time or at just the right time to see the vehicle “without Morgan” leave <<<<
What an excellent point !! It took my boys 30 mins. to get out of the arena and to the car — and my son only stopped briefly to buy an “after-concert fire sale” on tee shirts — said it took under 2 mins. — that was 30 mins. after the last song and screams for encores ! And I spoke to them at least 2 or 3 times because I was freaking out why it was taking so long — because people who had obviously been inside the arena had made it back to the motel and gotten to their rooms and were starting to party
And it was a very orderly traffic flow out of the area —
so under your, which I think really good observation, they would have had to have the same approximate location inside — my boys were on the floor, so they had to wait for the upper tiers to leave — and Morgan’s friends hadn’t left the parking lot yet — or — this guy and “his party” were hanging around —
I’m not implying in the least that this young man is anything other than a guy who noticed a pretty girl — but it may speak to the actions of the “friends” post concert —
good catch !!
PS: When I suggested that the Harringtons hire a “reputable” large PI firm — and if they have not, I still hope they will — I was not in any way recommending a certain PI who has been shamelessly hounding this family — bark bark !! So others here will know what I’m talking about — I will not name the firm, but there is a PI who, IMO, saw — gee, Metallica gave you 50 grand to do w/ as you please — well, I am here ready and willing to serve — I didn’t start reading the FB posts until recently — but another poster said an out-of-state PI firm who works MP cases should be called in — and he posted, well, the’ll be arrested for not being licensed in Va,, but gee, No. 2, I’ll be big enough to let them come in under “my” license — and at one point there’s a post where he said: well, finding Morgan would be a boon to my firm, but that’s not why I want to help —
what an ass — sorry, Blink — but finding Morgan would be a “boon to his business” — nowhere in the post did he say — and end the torment of this poor family —
growl !!
(sorry, I’m reading backwards) — Localgirl #105 —
>>>My friends and I say to eachother all time…you watch my kids and I’ll watch yorn…it’s just what we do here in our community. Your babies are my babies. I wish to God I had been there on that bridge to pull Morgan into my car. Dan and Gil’s baby is mine, also, and as a community she’s ours. She somehow vanished right here in our town, and we’re left feeling like we let her down. <<<
Exactly. I’ve always believed Hillary Clinton said it best, “It takes a Village” —
I was on that bridge — twice — in that time frame — and I missed her by minutes —
but what keeps bugging me is: “who” are all these “multiple sightings” VSP refer to, seeing her on the bridge — the BB players are “three” — who else ? There were “some” students out on the campus sidewalks — but it was cold and it was raining — not misty — during that time ? And how did they “see” her HH’g, but didn’t see her either walking off the bridge or getting into a car — and — why HH ON THE BRIDGE ??? there’s no place for a car to pull over, or makes no sense to stop on the bridge — why not HH on the areas immediately before/after the bridge with shoulders on the road ???
OYE — Regarding your question if any posters here are under the age of 30 or have children age 18-20…
Each poster on this forum brings a different perspective to the table…some their medical expertise, some their knowledge of Charlottesville, some legal and some the mental ability to put illogical pieces together.
Certainly an equally valuable perspective is that of the 18 to 20-year old life/mindset. I am interested in hearing that perspective.
Do you feel that in this collection of thinking we are missing something important? If you go *way* back upthread you’ll see a post by Observer about the six hats of group thinking for problem solving. Please, put on a hat and give us your perspective. But note that guests at this table do not insult each other because of their unique perspective.
This still puzzles me. On her friends facebooks, they’re still partying it up. I don’t get it. I wasn’t close to Morgan but I was close to her brother and it seems like this unfortunate event bothers me more than it bothers her close friends, even her room mate. I’m not trying to judge anybody, who am I to judge? If someone I was close to, especially lived with, went missing, I’d be besides myself and still freaked out. No, I do not expect them to put their lives on hold but…I just don’t get it.
I am of the opinion that although this group was friends for a long time, they may not have been as close as both the Harrington’s thought, and perhaps others. A few yes, but not all.
Her room mate Amy had changed her myspace mood 2 days after Morgan was missing to
“I don’t have time for myspace!”
B
OPEN YOUR EYES….FYI, No, I am not younger than 30, but I do have an 18- year daughter who is a freshman in college.
Does that make my posts more valid for you?
Sally Lou
SuzeeB and J2K, I say the same thing every day, I am so fortunate to still be on this Earth considering some of the things I did when I was in my eary 20′s. I went to a Grateful Dead concert in college, and the guys beside us were passing a bottle of wine and and a doob down the row, so of course, everyone imbibed. I can truthfully say, and horrified as well, that I do not remember one minute of that concert, I have no idea what I ingested, and if my friends had not been there, I don’t know what my fate would have been. This was 30 some years ago, before date-rape drugs, X, and you just trusted fellow “partyers”. It scares me silly when I think of how trusting I was back then. That’s where my idea of someone slipping Morgan something in a drink/joint came into fruition. It sounds like she was fine and dandy early on, and then minutes later she’s stumbling around, dropping her purse, etc., it just doesn’t add up.
As time goes on and there’s no word about ANYTHING, I have to wonder if LE has any clue at all what has happened to Morgan. As the holidays draw near, I can’t help but think of her family and friends. How will they be able to cope? I don’t know if I could…
Sorry for the long post…I got interested in this case when it emerged, then went out of town for almost 2 weeks, and am catching up. These are my thoughts in regards to various posts on this board:
Jen’s post #1928 is an excellent concise look at all the possibilities in the general timeline.
Morgan could look pale in photos because she had to work all summer, or due to sunscreen.
Morgan wouldn’t need to use separate computers because her parents had her passwords. She could just set up separate email and FB accounts and not tell her parents about them, unless they were tech-savvy enough to put a keystroke tracing program on her computer and time to peruse it.
Living in Charlottesville I can tell you that there is not a culture of fear here, or a sense of a serial killer running loose. The ‘buzz’ around Morgan’s case seems to have died down, and media reports are few.
Alderman Road changes names to Copeley Road at the Ivy Road intersection. Ivy Road is long, but not that dark depending on which side of the road you’re walking on. Nearest the arena, it’s lit up with the 7-11 and such. I could have sworn the Copeley Road bridge had sidewalks on both sides, but maybe not. I’ll have to drive out there again and look.
The University of Virginia has a lengthy and sordid record of trying to cover up, or at least sweep under the rug, sexual assaults on campus, as do many other colleges and universities, but I don’t think this applies to Morgan’s disappearance. There are too many Law Enforcement Agencies involved and it is not in U Va’s best interests to do so. They might, however, try to keep crappy or overzealous security at JPJ out of the news, but I don’t think that’s been proven. I would send my child, if I had one, to U Va or Va Tech for college or summer camp as quickly as I would to any other school. They are great institutions of learning. There are creeps everywhere, and college campuses attract tons of them.
Morgan’s purse could have broken in the struggle, but if it was one of those skinny-strap backpack purses, she could have broken the strap while pulling it on/off her shoulders, especially if a little drunk and uncoordinated. People have speculated as to why Morgan would get really drunk if she was going to meet someone she really wanted to see. If it’s true she was (voluntarily) intoxicated, I know when I was her age and weight it was common to start partying and not realize it would catch up with me until later when drunk. I think this is why I am so interested in this case. When I was Morgan’s age, my friends and I put ourselves in all kinds of stupid situations and made it out O.K. The drinking age was 18. We all drank and drove, and started partying young. We went to concerts out of town and got drunk and thought nothing of it. We’re not in jail and not dead, and only by the grace of God. We trusted most people. There was no Facebook or Myspace, but no cell phones, either. My sister pointed out that we often put ourselves in situations today that we wouldn’t have years ago (in dark parking lots alone) because of the false security of having a cell phone. It’s sad, so sad, and it’s local.
I think Morgan has a rebellious and thrill-seeking streak. One of the FB photos of her shows her sitting on a roller coaster with her arms folded relaxed in her lap, grinning at the camera, while her friends grip their security bars, getting ready to scream during the ride. She wore red to a prom that all her friends wore white to. She more than likely got thrown out of the JPJ for intoxication. This does NOT mean she deserves to be abducted and possibly killed, just that she may be into risk-taking behavior, or impulsive. She could have borderline personality disorder or bipolar disorder, and/or be predisposed to drinking and drug-taking. These types of illnesses emerge in later adolescence and early adulthood.
Morgan’s parents have said that it was common for her cell phone’s battery to be out of the phone; her Aunt said it was odd. Was Aunt making an assumption? Are Morgan’s parents being told to say that to make the perpetrator relax? The phone’s battery could have fallen out and been run over by a car and stuck between the tire treads and subsequently been driven anywhere and squished. Or it could have fallen out in the lot and been swept up during clean-up later that night, or washed down a storm drain. I don’t know if it’s significant that the phone didn’t have a battery, or if it’s not.
I volunteered during the search weekend, and went out on one search. I spoke with someone while we were waiting to brief before our search party went out, who had a friend working at JPJ who said the arena has cameras everywhere, at every door. The only questions I have regarding the cameras are: were they recording? If so, were the recordings erased/dumped each night or were they watched by LE? I am starting to think they were watched by LE; LE knows who Morgan was talking to directly outside the arena but not beyond the U Hall lot (other than the BB players, and possibly Granny), and wants to keep the perpetrator(s) guessing about what LE knows regarding their movements so they will trip up and say something incriminating. I’m guessing Morgan stated her first name to the BB players, but not to Granny. Or maybe none of the above is true. I am really torn as to whether Morgan’s abductor was a known entity or not. We also don’t know if she was abducted by more than one person, but many posting here seems to be leaning toward just one perpetrator. It’s entirely possible she was snatched into a van or RV in the overflow lot (Lannigan field) and driven anywhere after crossing over and back on the Copeley Road bridge, looking for someone (her ride, Mr. X), and Mr. X hasn’t said anything about missing her because he’s a weasel and a coward who knows the parents wouldn’t have wanted him anywhere near her that night. Or she could have been tossed out of the arena for drunkenness, gotten mad and started walking towards someone’s house or the 7-11, who knows, and then the cold sank in and she decided to turn around and go back to JPJ, and was snatched. If she turned around on the Copeley Road bridge, and retraced her basic steps, then that bridge would be the last place the dogs smelled her scent.
In the days following the search, I watched the news to see if any new information became known about Morgan’s whereabouts. It was reported that the search unturned no new leads. I often wonder if all the findings reported at the command center during each team’s debriefing were followed up on physically, on each site, or if some of them were deemed unimportant and not investigated. I mean specifically, did someone in LE go out and look at every orange flag every team placed at each locale, either that day or the next, or did some go uninvestigated because they were deemed unimportant at debriefing? I know there were at least one or two members of my team who were “gung-ho” enough that they could have been motivated to go back to our search locale and further investigate on their own, which could really muck things up, especially if every search team had such types in their group. I have wondered many times what it turns out that we found really was, if anything.
I will say that this type of situation brings out the crazies. I wonder if one of the purposes of the search was not only to appease family and friends but also to smoke out the perp(s). An individual tried to register to search with a photocopy of his prison record, which contained his photo, because he “lost his Virginia drivers license” (his words). It turned out later from what I heard that he was a sex offender. I have no doubt that LE has followed him closely. My point in bringing that up is that if a random ex-criminal would try to search for Morgan, so might also would other people who may know the cause of or otherwise be involved in her disappearance, especially heroism-motivated narcissists. Everyone at the search had to register with a photo ID and it was copied.
The thing that bothers me about the search conducted in November is that all the leaves fell off the trees between the night of the Metallica concert and the weekend of the volunteers’ search, with lots of wind and rain added to the mix. Evidence at this point just seems unlikely to be found. Blinkoncrime followers encourage hunters to search for Morgan. Virginia is one of the last states to allow hunters to hunt with packs of dogs. Most hunters here have hounds. I believe a hound dog can serendipitously find a body by scent faster than a hunter will by sight.
If Law Enforcement believes Morgan was taken out of C-Ville as per their statements referenced here then WHY did we search C-Ville for 3 days? Were those LE statements made after the November search? Maybe the abductor took her towards his home in or near Waynesboro, over Afton Mountain (since that’s what Blink is leaning towards, I’ll go with it), killed her accidentally in a fight or intentionally, and dumped her in C-Ville before rejoining friends at a party or even using his ticket to attend the last part of the concert. He could be more familiar with C-Ville than where he lives now, hence the instinct to dump her body here. (God I hate using the word “dump” as I write about a human being with friends and family who love her). Maybe the abductor lives with other people, or had a party planned at his house that night, and couldn’t go home with her dead in his car. He didn’t like whatever Morgan said to him after she got in his car and his rage emerged. He could have been pretending to take her to Harrisonburg or Roanoke or Blacksburg to get her comfortable, and then turned back to C-Ville. He could have taken her somewhere and shot her, or he could have accidentally killed her in a ‘Chris Brown’ rage, with a head blow in the car, hence no need for extensive clean-up. She could be on the side of the road in any number of places and go undetected. What surprised me during the search was just how much wooded, brushy thicket there is in the middle of town, much less out in the county. Finding her may be impossible at this point, sadly, unless the perpetrator starts boasting and taunting LE like other murderers do, or has a breakdown, or abducts (and kills?) again and gets caught.
I need a link to an i.m. dictionary. I can’t keep up with the instant-message abbreviations.
Hello,
Long time reader, first time poster.
I’ve been following all the posts for a couple weeks now and a few things stand out to me.
on belief stated:
Let’s see… You’ve id’d
hippie
wannabe scout
bball players
alleged ex b.f
I’m sure I missed some
The fact that he/she stated “alleged ex b.f.” raised a red flag in my book.
The battery. Remember the pic that S.S. took and had labeled battery?
Is it possible that this is a code word used between friends and possibly MH was sending a clue or a sign by removing it?
It has bothered me from the beginning that no Security witnesses have come forward. If she was indeed escorted out and/or tried to re-enter, surely Security recalls her being at JPJ arena that night.
Lastly, ever since I heard that the BB players did not come forward until the limo driver ID’d them makes me suspicious. They were the ones I believe that stated they saw MH HH’ing on the bridge. The fact that two of them took a personal leave after their testimony just is not sitting right with me. Also the Caps lock on ranting about UVa’s team by the same poster quoted above makes me think he/she is rather close to said team members yes,no?
Blink in reply to pink:
“I am of the opinion that although this group was friends for a long time, they may not have been as close as both the Harrington’s thought, and perhaps others. A few yes, but not all.
Her room mate Amy had changed her myspace mood 2 days after Morgan was missing to
“I don’t have time for myspace!”
B”
Blink and pinky,
I agree with you both.
My observation in seeing the facebook photos is that Sarah S. is very close to Amy M., almost protective of her in a way with her arms around Amy. Morgan appears to be, well, not considered to be as close.
With respect to all the “Morgan” sightings, it is interesting to note that Amy, with her long flowing blonde hair and body shape, IMO, resembles Morgan (especially if she were wearing a similiar outfit that night, of which we don’t know).
Excellent Observation, it has bothered me why no description of the friends outfits, which would help solidify or disprove her possible image on tape, certainly.
B