Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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pinky, B (re: #2143)
I hear you, pinky. But we can’t know how MH’s direct friends are feeling in regard to her disappearance from FB photos (just as it’s a stretch to attempt to determine MH’s state of mind or health from hers).
But, to back up B’s point about “The Nine” not being as close in recent years, there was a segment of a late-October article about a rally her friends put together, in which a childhood/now-VT friend of MH indicated the concert was also a reunion with old friends MH hadn’t seen in a awhile.
[ ...Chelsea Helm, whose speech opened the vigil, has known Harrington since the two went to Northside Middle School together. Helm and Harrington’s group of friends had unofficially gone by the nickname “The Nine.”
Helm, a junior building construction major at Tech, said she and Harrington had seen more of each other during the past semester.
“We’d been riding the bus from our (apartment) complex, and seeing a lot more of each other than we had the past couple of years,” Helm said.
Helm recalled Morgan talking about the Metallica concert the week before.
“She had been excited about it for a while,” Helm said, adding that Harrington was excited to see friends that she had not seen in a while. ...
Helm and Sarah Snead, another friend of Harrington, began discussing the idea of a vigil Monday, and later approved it with Dan and Gil Harrington. ...]
So, other than her roommate, the group(s) mH was with was not one she hung out with with any sort of frequency.
skyler (re: #2140)
I may have missed it in your post, but what time *did* your son and his friend make it out of the arena and reunite with you? (ie, When were all the attendees fanning out through the parking lot and getting into their cars to exit?)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think any member of Law Enforcement has ever stated that two of the U Va basketball players who spoke to Morgan on the night of her disappearance were the two who took leaves of absence from the team. All assumptions about them at this point are just that.
Julie- Unfortunately most of everything is based circumstantial evidence.
j2n #2149
This confirms she would be meeting someone from the past. Or at minimum her intentions.
J2K and B,
I was at the NHS vigil as well. Amy and I have mutual friends on FB and there are party photos from the 8th of this month, I believe. I also find it odd that said room mate was only there for 1 day of the search. Thanks for pointing out the “nine” info J2K. Nevertheless, I pray for those uninvolved to seek some kind of peace.
Wpg- the connection of D. Garner goes back to my theory of a friend of the male who went with the girls to UVA.
I remain completely mistified by the total lack of varifiable information from the day/night of October 17. We know that Morgan got to Harrisonburg (or so she told her parents) and after that, nothing. I find it hard to believe that Morgan was the only one taking pictures, yet there are no pictures of the girls dressed for the concert. Even if I accept that there are no pictures, why didn’t LE release a likeness of her Pantera shirt and her boots?
LE is keeping all their cards face down – why? Sarah’s dad is VSP – are the police protecting the friends, not wanting this to turn into a media circus? Why? It seems to me, the more publicity the better.
Are the police protecting UVA? I admit my days of regular concert attendance are long past, but back in the day it seemed like everyone was drunk, stoned or both. Yet, I never heard of anyone being put out of a concert. Does security really require young, impaired, solo females to go out alone into the dark, rainy night? How is that practice not inviting a multi-million dollar lawsuit?
A few weeks ago, I liked the idea of a hanger-on BG baiting Morgan with the idea of getting backstage, getting her outside, then abducting her. But now there seem to be actual sightings of her wandering around outside, going from place to place, looking, waiting for who knows what.
Early on I was hoping her parents would ask for help from Texas EquuSearch. Tim Miller is a consummate professional, knows how to get the community involved and keep them involved. Also when TE is searching, the national media spotlight is focused on the missing person. As much as Nancy Grace bothers me, I would sure like to hear her question VSP Spokesperson Corrine Geller. Crazy as her panels of experts can be, I’d like to hear their theories.
Any ideas on why Texas EquuSearch has not been involved? I guess Dr. Harrington is employed by UVA – maybe he doesn’t want to make waves in Cville. But this quiet way does not seem to be working.
I have never been to Cville. I’ve looked at the maps and the satellite shots, but that’s a poor substitution for actually walking the ground. I am indebted to Blink, those of you that live there, and everyone who posts here trying to move this case forward.
Pinky, I’m so glad that we can hear from someone who is close to Morgan’s brother. I know this has got to be killing him. If it’s not too revealing, are you a former UVa student, or a student at VT? I’ve been so curious to hear more from Tech…who were Morgan’s real friends? Who did she hang around other than this group of girls she’d known from Roanoke? What were her moods and habits?
And hey Juliemooly, fellow homegirl. I think you are correct, it has not been stated exactly who the bb players were who were talking to Morgan. You’ll agree with me, possibly, that UVa athletes get suspened frequently for grades…especially at the beginning of the season. They’ve all probably been instructed not to speak to the media about this, but I’ll agree with some of the posters…it sure would ease the suspicion if the two players could just say publicly, “yes we talked to her, she was inebriated (or not), and we saw her leave for the bridge.” And it would also be nice to hear from them, “we regret to this day that we did not help her.”
Re: #2056 – Lapiz,
Waiting to hear back from you regarding Camden, SC. I don’t believe there are any colleges in that town that would play Virginia. It’s horse country, home of the Carolina Cup, the largest steeplechase event in North American according to the chamber site. I’m just very curious about your interest. Please share.
Katesro (re: #2152)
A quote in a news story confirms nothing, But, if the implication from said quote is what it appears to be on its face, it’s that SS, her bf and the other person attending the concert (that MH and her friends for the Oct. 17 outing had four tickets to), I think it weakens the theory that the show was an opportunity for her to “meet” with someone other than those 3 people she intended to see it with (whom, according to CH’s quote, she hadn’t see in awhile and was excited to be spending time with).
pinky (re: #2154)
I realize you are close to MH’s friends and family, and my heart goes out to you. As unsettling and heartbreaking as it is to read about and explore this situation from afar, I can’t imagine what it must be like to be directly in touch with it. Thank you for sharing here.
Hey, J2K — >>skyler (re: #2140)
I may have missed it in your post, but what time *did* your son and his friend make it out of the arena and reunite with you? (ie, When were all the attendees fanning out through the parking lot and getting into their cars to exit?)<<<
According to the time on my cell phone, the last call I recv’d on 10-17 was at 11:42 PM, which jives w/ my memory of the concert being over over around 11 PM and the last cheers heard were around 11:10 — it took the boys approximately 30 mins. to get out of the arena because they were on the floor and he said there were people inside directing the flow and the upper tiers were let out first — I had been talking to him because I was freaking out because people had made it out of the concert to the rear of the EconoLodge were I was parked — then I moved my car as the EL parking lot started to empty, and then I moved the last time when a spot opened right adjacent to the sidewalk —
when he called me at 11:42, he was outside parallel to the arena walking toward the car and kept telling me he could see the car — Massie road, which is parallel to the arena ends in a T intersection right at the EL — there’s arena parking all around there —
based on that time frame, and depending on where they were at the end of the concert, it is conceivable they could have been back to their cars at 11:30 — unless a couple of them stopped to go to the bathroom or get something from a vendor — but surely back to the car by 11:45 —
Someone let me out in traffic, and I was on the interstate headed back to Richmond right at midnight — I looked at the clock —
The same boy who said he’d be “fine” driving was passed out by 12:15, as was our passenger in the back seat —
It will always haunt me — where was dear Morgan ?
90 minutes — that’s all she would have had to wait — 90 mins. from her last sighting until Metallica left the stage —
that parking lot was full of security or parking personnel by 11 PM —
But has this question been answered ? As I understand the latest story: the male was driving Morgan’s car to the concert — what happened to him during the concert ? Did he also attend — did they drop him off somewhere in Charlottesville then drive to the arena — was he sitting in the car in the parking lot waiting for the girls ? If he were in the car in the parking lot, why didn’t she just go to her car and wait ?
So many questions, no answers : (
I read an article in Wired Magazine where a writer attempted to go missing and there was a challenge to readers to try to find him and there’d be a reward. The hypothesis – I guess you could say – was how easy it was it to disappear in a digital age.
The article says (paraphrased) one of the first things to do was take the battery out of the phone. A phone without a battery is a phone that cannot be traced.
If Morgan took her battery out for this reason than this might also explain why she borrowed a phone. She wanted to make a phone call that was untraceable and then make her own phone untraceable.
#1159 skyler -
for some reason I have the impression that perhaps the male friend did not attend the concert, that he may have had her car at another location in Charlottesville that night and that he could have been one of the people she was texting to come get her. That would explain 1) the reason the friends could not give her the keys and 2) reports of one or some of the friends having retained lawyers.
Ugh. More sad news about a Tech student. This is from newsplex.com.
December 13, 2009
A Virginia Tech student was killed in a single-car wreck Sunday afternoon just outside Charlottesville. It happened shortly after noon at the intersection of Route 649 (Proffit Road) and Route 20 in Albemarle County.
The State Police and Albemarle County Police tell CBS19 that the 20-year-old man lost control of his car and struck a tree.
Authorities are investigating the cause and can’t say if weather and/or speed played a factor in the single vehicle accident.
Both northbound and southbound lanes were closed on Route 20 for two hours after the accident, but have since re-opened.
from Katesro:
“Wpg- the connection of D. Garner goes back to my theory of a friend of the male who went with the girls to UVA.”
Katesro,
I agree that DG is friends with someone from the JMU crowd
******
Pinky,
Very sorry for addresseing you upthread as “Blink and pink” (at that moment, if I began with your name I probably would have typed “pinky and Blinky”).
As a stranger from afar looking in at what little there is available to see and read, I sensed the “party forward” began quite early on.
Am with you as much as can be on your personal insight and feelings. Warmth and peace to you.
*****
from J2K:
“pinky, B (re: #2143)
I hear you, pinky. But we can’t know how MH’s direct friends are feeling in regard to her disappearance from FB photos (just as it’s a stretch to attempt to determine MH’s state of mind or health from hers).”
Hello, J2K.
pinky is in MH’s circle and would have a level of insight to those photos.
Personally, I have made several observations from several photos that give me pause to the dynamics of the group as well as the appearance of MH.
The eye of photography is a powerful recorder, capturer of the moment,
as in the fine art photography of let’s say Hungarian-born André Kertész. The same, while at a different level of course, can be applied to the “amateur” photographer and photographs/digitals. JMO.
Re: #2143
Mosaic (and OYE)…I’m 26 and also a woman. I used to attend large rock concerts in college arenas in high school and early college. I did not know Morgan but identify with her in a way. Aside from the above traits, there are other things that I may or may not have in common with Morgan. But I try to offer my perspective on these issues when I see fit… sometimes they are addressed before I even get to them (which indicates to me that there are other young people on here or others who simply know what us young folk are up to!). OYE, why do you ask about age? It is certainly one tool/perspective to bring to the table, but others have much more experience in this specific process. We all bring something slightly different and equally valuable.
And in response to an earlier discussion that was going on… I was biting my tongue…. but everyone needs to be very cautious about picking up hitchhikers. In high school a female friend of mine saw another teenage girl broken down on the side of the road. Said friend thought to herself: if I were broken down, I would want someone nice like me to stop and help. So she pulled over and picked up the stranded girl. After driving only a short distance, the girl indicated that she had a gun on her and told my friend to pull over. The girl then got into the driver’s seat and was about to drive off…. but my friend who is sweet and naive said… you mean you’re just going to leave me here? So the BGirl said OK, get back into the car. Which my friend did! She was then driven to a gas station and dropped off with enough money to place a phone call on a pay phone. Her car was recovered a few days later. It turns out the girl didn’t have a real gun, but a fake one. She did have a prior record however for assault and all kinds of other things. We couldn’t believe that it happened at all, let alone that my friend got back into the car with the BG!
I have no qualms anymore about calling 911. I have called and followed a car that threw beer cans out of their window while on the highway. I call to report broken down motorists and bookshelves that have fallen off of trucks onto the highway. I always feel a bit guilty about not picking up HHers, but I know that I am right in making my personal safety my first priority. I can’t help anyone else if I am dead.
sky – thank you for that calculation. I know you’ve offered it before, but it helps to consider the evening in real-time. I sympathize that you’re haunted from being a loving mother unknowingly in MH’s direct vicinity that night. But, I think you’re an incredible asset here because of it.
I’ve taken the fact that she didn’t wait for the two hours outside the show to mean she made plans/got a ride to avoid such a wait. So the question is: who did she makes plans with?
Oh… Wait. Your point was that there are too many questions and not enough answers…
Yeah, the athletes get suspended a lot, localcvillegirl. I guess my thinking is that we should not assume that those who were suspended are those who spoke to Morgan, or that they were suspended for any reason related to that. Which ever BBallers saw her, they may be the last people to see her before her abduction, and LE may want them to be quiet, especially if they have a POI. It is frustrating not to know if LE is competent and hot on a trail, or stalled and clueless.
Blink, I respect you and your team and believe you try to deal in “just the facts ma’am.” Have you or your team seen Morgan’s cell phone pings? Have you seen a print out of her cell phone records regarding the time it was said she was called by SS outside the arena? Have you seen a print out of the times she was texting on her phone?
The reason I ask is two-fold. LE had taken the friends word as fact in the beginning and they slowly changed previous statements such as what car was driven and by whom. Also, the Harrington’s when addressing Morgan’s cell phone activity seem to not be in the “Know” either. Are they relying on the word of the friends also? Do you know if the Harrington’s have seen the texts?
In your opinion why doesn’t LE at least release a summary fact sheet of the times Morgan’s phone was used prior to the battery being gone and whether or not the activity was outgoing or incoming?
Mom3- I can only say we are working on clarifying info with VSP, and they are open to the idea.
B
SuzeeB, correct—it was an incoming call to Morgan from the friends (and that’s what I meant by “wasn’t it the friends who called Morgan, and not the other way around?”).
I was just trying to correct the record from wherever it said “Rader said Harrington then called her friends to let them know she wouldn’t be coming back, and disappeared sometime after 9:30 p.m.”
She didn’t call her friends. Her friends called her. (unless the story changes, which it does all the time, lol)
Comment by mary too — December 13, 2009 @ 6:43 pm
Waiting to hear back from you regarding Camden, SC. I don’t believe there are any colleges in that town that would play Virginia. It’s horse country, home of the Carolina Cup, the largest steeplechase event in North American according to the chamber site. I’m just very curious about your interest. Please share.
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Mary too, This was just a far streeeeeetch…I was (am) searching for anything at this point. I found a comment on a newspaper article (I believe) and it had the name Morgan/Camden, SC. Now this could be any Morgan, but I thought if she is still out there and OK, maybe she would be following her story. While she was doing so, if she ran across an article that struck something in her–she would respond. I believe it was an article on child abuse. I thought with her work experience with domestic violence victims and her field of education…it may be something she felt strongly about. My question re: sports connection was because this was the last place she had contact with people…my possible thought was a new BF that played sports of some kind. If this person was into sports, he could have suggested they meet in the parking lot used by the athletes. He could even be from SC, but familiar with CV through collegiate games. It is a far stretch. Not probable, but possible.
My question re: age/children was just a question because, yes, I think it does bear on the perspective that would be brought to the table. So, as in the case of Sally Lou, I would think that she might have her finger a little closer the “pulse” of the mindset of the age group we are talking about, particularly in light of her recent experience as would someone else that is currently 18-21, such as “pinky” (assuming, here, I know, pinky, but. . .)
Rude? Really? not sure how that question was considered rude. Put your hackles down.
OYE- Last warning. Your behaving like a prickly pear. That is the nice way I put things when your clearly a wanna be Y Gen, like alot of us were, and we knew it all, until we learned we did not know it it all. Morgan Harrington, 20, is missing, and likely deceased. How she got that way, I think we are clear on your theory. Again I ask, where do you think we will find her?
Short of your thoughts on that, unless you can offer some new perspective in a respectful way to progress dialog, I would ask you to move on. I say this because I have been sent some of your posts from a board you were booted from for similar behavior.
B
J2K and localcvillegirl:
I don’t want to confuse anyone, I’m not close to Morgan’s family, I WAS close to Alex-we hung out and he often took me home from school. I talked to Morgan 2, maybe 3 times and the occasional “hi” in the hallways. I went to NHS with them, not college. Morgan was a freshman in HS, my senior year. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Mrs. Harrington a few times at the house with Alex, but I’ve never met Dr. Harrington. Unfortunately Alex and I lost contact soon after I graduated and moved out of state but he dated my cousin soon after for about 2 years.
I’ve read assumptions people have to say about Alex and it breaks my heart because he’s such a funny and caring person; one of those people who’s sure to brighten your day.
Well, I just wanted to make it clear that I’m not “close” to Morgan and her parents, and it bugs me when people claim to be “close to the source” so to speak. Let’s just say they’ve made enough of an impact, before all of this, for Morgan’s disappearance to really hit home.
from OPEN YOUR EYES:
“just a question, but is anybody on this site under 30 or have kids 18-20?”
OPEN YOUR EYES,
I understand why you ask this question. I have also, some time ago, asked myself the possibility of alcohol abuse and what possible role, if any, it may have played in Morgan Harrington’s life and or her disappearance.
I would like to ask you this, OPEN YOUR EYES, in a most gentle way,
do you understand the primal form of love that exists between a father and daughter?
No matter what trials and tribulations may occur, love and the basic instinct to protect is always there, even below the surface.
Morgan’s father is right now on the boards seeking the help of a psychic. He has thrown his professional background to the wind, and his primal role of father and protector has taken over. He is undeniably at the point of desperation to find and embrace his daughter once more, no matter what.
If you, OPEN YOUR EYES, can offer to him a connection of the dots or more importantly a dot where this father may find his daughter, then for the love of God, man, do it.
WPG this is so pertinent. Truly. Move over on the wheel, it hurts my heart.
Your completely on my page, and that of Blink et al . He is headed down the basement steps with the light out while the rest of us white knucklers are screaming not to.
I don’t blame them. I just want to find the light switch.
B
Talk about happenstance, I just posted a message to OPEN YOUR EYES only to now see a new post by him and a reply by B.
OPEN YOUR EYES ?
Reply to Suz #2120:
Confusng and very odd. Have you noticed that some of the witnesses not only saw Morgan—–but mulitiple times. David Gardner, the couple who helped her up after her fall and the person that saw her crossing the street and also at the athletes parking lot. Are there others? Amazing—considering how many people were there.
Ok, if LE won’t tell us anything, and JPJ security won’t tell us anything, then please please, can’t Dee S tell us all of HER movements at the concert and in the parking lot (at least up until 9:30, unless she was at an Orange Sheetz the next morning—mmm, MTO) so we can try to determine which, if any, of the alleged sightings were in fact of her and not Morgan?
(Not really sure how that would happen—just wishing for it.)
#2110 J2K,Hi, First I would like you to know I value your insights and contributions to BOC. Your posts are always thought provoking and superb. I was especially wowed by #1264.
I was re-reading posts today and your post #2110 caught my attention. It is well thought out and gave me much to ponder.
In your response to Ohiomom #2060 you wrote: Keep in mind that the only LE-identified MH witnesses in the JPJ-area lots that night were the UVA b-ball players.
Thank you for pointing this out. How did LE come to the realization that the BB players did in fact interact with Morgan? Did this woman, whip out her ID? Did this woman walk up and say Hi my name is Morgan Harrington? Did this woman supply them with a written DNA profile for later comparison? Did one/more of the BB players know Morgan well prior to that night’s interaction? I am assuming that LE brought them a picture of Morgan for comparison, right? Well, we have seen many pictures of Morgan, she looks different in any # of them. It was dark, it was raining, people with wet hair look a great deal different then they do with dry hair and makeup that has not smeared do to crying or the elements.
In response to Suz #2060 you wrote in part:-But, as I’ve said before, we *know* the bag and most of her phone stayed behind when MH disappeared. I’m still not grasping the significance of their discovery. The only thing worth speculation is the missing battery – and only because *if* the perp removed the battery from her phone (and idiotically left the rest of her cell behind), it may imply what? stealth? ….Is that it? Is it that the “X” responsible for her disappearance watches truTV? I’m just not getting why that’s important.-
Respectfully, we do not “know” that the bag stayed behind when MH disappeared. All we know is that it was found in a parking lot. We do not know if it was left behind by Morgan or if it was placed there later by someone else.
I am not sure of the significance of the purse either. But it is important. It was not carried off by a thief. We know Morgan is with out it, her id and her phone. We know she had credit cards. We also can speculate either someone left it there in the hopes of placing Morgan at the concert.,or she lost it there, or there was a scuffle. It is very important.
IMO everything is “worth” speculation. Including the battery. You yourself wrote in a brilliant earlier post #2110 that Morgan may have taken out the battery in order to keep her privacy if she was arguing with a jealous x. It is important because we don’t know why the battery is missing we don’t know whether or not this is a Serial killer who’s MO is removing batteries and leaving phones or purses behind. We don’t know if it was an accident or if Morgan was trying to give us a clue. WE don’t know.
You wrote eloquently regarding your choices as a young woman. Thank you. You wrote of Morgan’s possible drunken fall. The fact that she may have made some really bad choices and had horrible luck. IMO if she was so drunk that she was falling down, dropping her purse/phone repeatedly, getting kicked out of JPJ possibly stepping clumsily in front of cars, maybe being belligerent to concertgoers or security, she was waaaay to drunk to make coherent text messages in the dark and in the rain and in the cold. The first thing that happens before you become falling down drunk is you get dizzy and you have double vision. How is this lending credence to her communicating via text messaging?
You commented on the theory that Morgan never made it to JPJ. Stating that LE must know more then we in our collective bubble. I hope so. But how can we be sure? People have lawyered up. Witnesses are not reliable. Friends were beseeched in the 1st news conference to stay involved. To make sure that they let LE know what they knew of Morgan and her habits. How do we know for sure that they even gave LE anything more than their initial statements?
You asked, were we all duped by a vast conspiracy perpetrated by the oh-so-clever Friends and their JMU accomplices. I don’t know, and respectfully you don’t either. You go on to speculate that MH accidently died in the afternoon. What is so far fetched about this theory? You say the friends went on ahead to see metallica. How do we know this for sure? Did I miss footage released of them at the concert? We know their tickets were scanned but we don’t know who attended or for how long.
You also wrote how lucky could the friends be to have others come forward with statements collaborating their story.I don’t think her friends were lucky to have witnesses come forward. Dee is a friend of a friend and possibly so is Dave. Others simply gave an account of seeing a woman matching the description of Morgan. I don’t believe Morgan had a distinctive look to witnesses in the dark of night and in the rain. What was distinctive her necklace? I haven’t seen anyone come forward stating they in fact saw it. I must remind you of your earlier comment LE has only identified the UVA BB players.
Is this a Kafka novel? No, sadly it is not. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Please look up the murder and cover-up of Missy Avila, if you want to know what life long friends are sometimes capable of doing.
Perhaps LE is at a standstill because they have no way of gaining information from those in the know. Perhaps the time-line is unmoving because no one will budge from it,regardless if the moments don’t fit.
J2K, I am not stating I believe Morgan never made it to JPJ. I am not stating I believe her friends murdered her or are covering up her accidental death or her running away. I am not stating I know she attended the concert. I do not know what happened to Morgan. I do not know who may have been involved in her disappearance. All I know for a fact is she last talked to her Poppa at 2:00pm. Morgan’s cell and purse were found at JPJ. Morgan Harrington disappeared on October 17 2009. I know that right now, 2 months after her disappearance, no theory, no matter how far-fetched can be ruled out by any of us except maybe Blink and her team and hopefully God willing LE……
lapiz, yes indeedy. Either she’s really striking and unforgettable and makes a helluva impression, or folks are really desperate to be a part of this story, or there were multiple girls who looked like Morgan roaming around, or maybe all of the above things are true. I just wish even one little thing could be verified for us. “We know Morgan was at the concert because her ticket was scanned at x o’clock, and we saw her on the video camera entering at that gate at that time.” I mean, anything, no matter how small and inconsequential, I’ll take it. Just gimme’ something black and white and solid I can grab on to with two hands, not this slippery gray ephemeral stuff that feels like make believe.
Blink,
The seeking of a psychic just broke me, in so many ways.
As a well-out-of-her-20′s daughter whose father will ALWAYS be her hero, I will tell you that my wheel got flooded reading MORGAN’S DAD, so best put your boots on.
I am one of 3 daughters to the best Daddy ever, infinity. His sun rises and sets with his girls, ( Ok I admit Mom comes first, and I am cleary his fave, but you know what I mean).
Something like this would break him in a way that sends a foreign fear through my system.
He would not let me take my drivers test until I could fix my own flat to his stopwatch in the driveway. He taught me to be OCD about never, ever letting my tank go below 1/2. Always FILL your tank if it is going to snow/ice.
I have and WOULD call him in any predicament that required “ask questions later, tell mom if you must, but I need you..” One of the strongest factors for me that this was foul play, is the very fact she did not call him. He said it himself, very early.. “Why didnt she call me?”
If she was stuck, and she had fear of her situation, imo, she calls Daddy.
Does her condition come into play? Maybe. I think it was more her phone was no longer an option.
J2K and all, the brilliant post of J2K’s I meant to sight was not #2110 but rather #1264. Although, both of them were brilliant…
wpgmouse, where did you see Dr. H seeking the help of a psychic?
OT- I post as rabbit19 as well, when I’m on my desktop, pinky when I’m on my laptop. Sorry if I confused anyone. Sorry B.
Lol. I knew that. There was no accompanying hinky like you had 2 conflicting views with yourself. That’s fine and I appreciate your acknowledgement.
B
good evening all:
wpg, in regards to post 2148. did you ever see a youtube video of two blonde girls at bottom of stairs, near stage and one kisses the other on cheek and walks away. i know i saw that and now cannot find it. you have to wait for the lights to flash bright to see them. could this be one site (if this is Morgan and amy) that we could look at closer…to see what amy is wearing? maybe they dressed alike and now we may have another blonde wearing similiar clothes. amy and Morgan looked to be closer in size than Morgan and sarah. just a thought, i would love to be able to see this posting again. please help, if anyone knows of it. i cannot remember where i found this out. maybe on help find Morgan facebook site?
Dear Momof3,
A most eloquently delivered and concise summary of events, scenarios, questions and thoughts. I agree with you entirely.
OYE said, “So, as in the case of Sally Lou, I would think that she might have her finger a little closer the “pulse” of the mindset of the age group we are talking about, particularly in light of her recent experience as would someone else that is currently 18-21, such as “pinky” (assuming, here, I know, pinky, but. . .)”
I agree with Blink in your questions of our ages here and what that leads you to assume about the posters on this board. (You know what they say about people who assume.)
Let me tell you what I know about this group of wonderfully caring people who have one common goal, finding Morgan.
And as the mom of an 18 year old who is the light and love of my life, I would use these wonderful people here as a support to help me if I felt I was or was not getting what I needed from LE.
And if there were comments on this board by people who might insinuate they knew what really happened to my child, I would be on that person like “white on rice,” a favorite Southern saying of mine.
The people here are logical, thoughtful and curious because they all support a common goal and want Morgan to be back home. They have their fingers on important pulses and issues of the case and I hope and pray I could call them friends if something had happened to my daughter in Charlotte back in October.
Oh and for those so-called friends of Morgan (and those of my daughter back in October), they would see me day in and day out until the real facts of the disappearance came to light to all because I am bulldog when it comes to my kid.
In fact, I would bet that all here would feel the same about their kids.
Just because you think we are old and insignificant, we aren’t!
Sally Lou
PS My daughter is a typical college kid-she loves to be with her friends and loves to go out with them, but she is not a drinker. She is unlike her mom who attended college after the earth cooled and dinosaurs roamed. I can assure you I did enough stupid stuff and injested enough alcohol and other drugs (didn’t they call it mead back in my BFF Beowulf’s time?) back in the day. Thank God I survived and He gave me an amazing gift that I am blessed to call my daughter.
Love to you and your baby girl
B
from suz:
“wpgmouse, where did you see Dr. H seeking the help of a psychic?”
suz, this is today’s:
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1112
If that is Dr Harrington over on the findmorgan.com forum’s looking for a psychic , somebody please tackle that man ! NO WAY ! If nothing else this confirms my worst fears . This kind of desperation comes from deep within the soul , when all else FAILS !
This is the 5th nail for me.
When a well educated Father reaches this deep , This speaks volumes to me of his FAITH in LE to have anything in bringing closure to this family . NOTHING !
This kind of desperation is painful for me to see so early in this loss , Eternity to this Family .
Gil has been quiet also , well ,I should say it seems a Terribly long silence on the “little darling’s” . AS I expected !
Charlottesville is quiet ………………………. Morgan WHO ?
Sorry if I am coming in late – something in a post caught my eye and its late, so Im scrolling down to mentioned it…if mentioned already, please disregard.
Sarah Snead’s father is VSP?
Wasnt Heidi Childs father VSP as well? Blink had alluded to the fact that she felt Heidi had been targeted. if thats the case, my assumption is that she was targeted by someone her who wanted to get back at her father – my first thought, is drugs.
Blink also mentioned that Sarah Snead and Morgan look similar.
Maybe Sarah Snead was the target?
Assuming the culprit is not known to Morgan…or known, but not very well.
Also, someone mentioned the foreign number on the phone came from or went to a Tracfone.
I looked in to a Tracfone yesterday at Walmart to keep my cell phone bill down and mentioned to my boyfriend how expensive it was and how it was pretty much the same if not more than a regular cell phone with service. He was like “Thats because drug dealers use them, they get them for like a week and then throw them away”.
Some interesting connections.
Sleep well everyone and hope you had a great weekend.
Uhoh. No offense but your facts are way off in your quotes of mine.
SS looks NOTHING like Morgan. Amy Melvin, at a distance, yes. Who’s Heidi?
B
I happened to be thinking about something. Morgan calls her friend who is inside the JPJ arena. Morgan’s outside, friend answers the phone. “hello? WHAT? I can’t hear you due to the 300,000 other people in the concert + the music they play at concerts in between sets is really loud!” Morgan is relaying information to her friend, but her friend placates her on the other end of the line, by just pretending to hear her and saying, Yeah, ok, sure, OK , bye! ” (hey, i’ve done it, not with mal intent, but just to end the yelling back and forth.)
How do we know SS even heard (emphasis on heard) what Morgan was saying? Maybe she had no idea and the whole “she said she would get a ride home with friends” is an obvious CYA story you tell to people.
Sigh. I don’t know. I’m just frustrated as i’m sure everyone is.
Dakota, respectfully, please do not judge what you do not understand.
The Harrington’s attend the Unity Church which is receptive to the paranormal. I doubt that Dr. Harrington is seeking a fortune teller with a shingle by the side of the road. Dr. and Mrs. Harrington are, both, highly intelligent and well educated. Give them some credit. We all may sometimes have a tendency to react to our fear of that which we have never experienced and do not understand. And, I’m certain they do feel desperate. I know I would. Nevertheless, the Harrington’s making use of the paranormal reflects only their desire to be reunited with their daughter.
With much respect Counselor, I am not sure your comment reflects their vulnerability to same.
B
What was Morgan’s relationship with her roommate? Did they get along well? Was this the first year that they were roommates, or had they been “friends” before. A college dorm room can become very contentious for unwilling roommates.
It doesn’t make sense to me that Morgan would let Sarah Snead’s boyfriend drive her car to the concert. An event she supposedly anticipated for 6 months? No way. She knew the area well, no reason to have someone else drive. Major event like this – she’d want to drive herself….building memories. To say however, that she was studying in the back seat, would be an easy out as to why no witnesses saw her in the car. Hard to imagine they would take the car without her though.
Depends on the perspective Doug
B
My daughter doesn’t let her own boyfriend drive her car, let alone someone else’s boyfriend. Was Morgan also good friends with Sarah’s boyfriend?
Were there any pics of the friends from the night of the concert, that were captured during the Facebook glitch? Any photos from that night at all?
Blink, what you termed “gold mine”, the parents had to have access to from day one. What could they and LE have missed, that you did not?
oh, wow, wpgmouse. thanks. it all seems very discouraging right now…
On facebook there are two blink accts….1 with a picture 1 without. Is either account yours?
Links please.
I have a FB blinkoncrime, that’s all
B
Hi again Blink and all – I stayed up late last night trying to walk in Morgans shoes and this was what I came up with. Don’t know, but anyone think this is a possibility and if not why. What have I left out?
I think that I’ll go back to the beginning and start all over again. Now about those tunnels! Has ANYONE looked in the tunnel under the JPJ Arena? Here are some stats on that tunnel.
UVA’s John Paul Jones Arena
SierraScape® System and Geopier® Rammed Aggregate Piers™ Now Major Supporters ofCavaliers BasketballTensar Earth Technologies (TET), GeopierFoundation Company and Geopier LicenseeGeoStructures, Inc. have teamed up toprovide site reinforcement solutions on amajor project – the new 15,000-seat JohnPaul Jones Multi-Purpose Arena at theUniversity of Virginia’s Charlottesvillecampus. The project advances the TensarCorporation’s mission to be the premier,one-stop provider of technology-driven sitesolutions built faster, better and cheaper.Scheduled for completion in June 2006, the$130 million, 366,000 square foot facilitywill replace 40-year old University Hall, now the smallest (at 8,500 seats) basketball venue in the AtlanticCoast Conference (ACC).
We had a number of different design challenges,” commented TET’s Gretchen Davidson, now Mid-Atlantic Regional Manager forcivil sales, who worked on final drawings. “We had to design around a steam tunnel housing various utility lines, running bothparallel with and perpendicular to the wall. We had Jeffersonian columns exerting 90,000 psi at the top of the wall within thereinforced zone. We had huge loads coming down from the arena trusses. And we had to accommodate roof drains, area drains,telecom duct banks and column footings.”œ Construction on the John Paul Jones Multi-Purpose Arena at the University of Virginia.¦ The 20,715 square footSierraScape Pressure ReliefWall at the JPJ Arena. Thewall was filled with nearly50,000 tons of stone fill andexceeded 40 feet in height.
http://tinyurl.com/yc8dbfm
Let’s say her purse was found in the Cage Lot, just for a change, because we have heard two different places, so for the heck of it we can go from there. Doesn’t even matter if you go for the Lannigan Field drop off point. Since LE is so sure that it was Morgan on the Copeley Bridge, and I think it really was because of the dogs getting her scent there, and the purse is found on UVA property, then it’s possible that she never made it off UVA property. What if it’s as simple as whoever took her, brought her right back along WITH her purse? Someone could have picked her up as she walked toward traffic coming into the arena from the Copeley Bridge. Picked her up from the bridge and drove into one of the parking lots where he may have assulted Morgan. This could have been the sighting of the grandmother of the two people fighting in the lot. Which actually put us at the correct timeline. They fight, she heads toward the arena and he heads down the road, then turns back and they start again. Sooner or later Morgan may have gotten inside his car.
Did he assult her then? If so, and he really hurt her and he knew it, could he have just driven around the lot around to where the tunnels would be? I doubt anyone would have been around THAT area during the concert. Could have dumped her there and the purse in the cage lot or flannigon lot then drove out on Copeley?
Have they looked at any ATM videos inside the arena? Since the purse was recovered and everything that she had in there was recovered also, with the exception of the battery, did she have any money in the purse, or was that gone? I keep asking about the credit card, if it was used, and of course I’m not going to get an answer to that, BUT, if it was, and she had no money inside her purse then we have a real problem because not only has she vanished, but this was a robbery also.
“It was right about 9pm when we were driving down Massie Road with JPJ to left,” says a Richmond bookkeeper/musician whose late arrival prevented her from seeing opening acts Gojira and Lamb of God— but got her there in time to spot a “wobbly” blonde woman step in front of the car.
http://tinyurl.com/yan9clm
This would have been approximately the correct time as well. 9:00 – 9:10 passing Massie Rd. and entered University Hall parking lot. per state police timeline map. http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/224154 So, grandme had to be parked in the U Hall lot or further down toward Copeley and the Flannigan Lot, which would put her time about right. It may have taken the fighters 10 minutes or so. Morgan then walks down to Flannigan where she talks to the BBplayers, or they walk down together where the Limo driver is parked. Don’t really know where he was parked though, but he did see a group with someone that looked like Morgan. They say she left before them, and then she was seen hitchhiking on the bridge. If the guy she had been fighting with, turned around once for Morgan, why not turn around twice? Could he have stormed off in his car then decided to turn back around and pick her up on the bridge? Why if she was angry with him, would she put her thumb out to hitchhike? Or leg, or whatever that made her look as if she was hitchhiking to a witness. How close was this witness, close enough to see if it she was holding a thumb out, or a middle finger to this guy? What if he threw open the car door and she leaned inside, he just yanked her in? OR, she just GOT in because they were holding up traffic coming into the arena off Copeley?
Please check the tunnels under JPJ, all the way back.
This is the info that I had origionally given of the tunnels, and I don’t see Massie Rd on here, either that or I don’t recognize it at this angle, nothing is marked really. I do remember reading about Massie Rd, so I’ll continue looking. I was apparently mistaken about the Massie Rd tunnel because I’m not able to find it again, so LE would know if it was actually there or not. Bobby, you sent this info in to LE, do we KNOW if this one has been checked out?
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834
If we accept this senario, then that would discount the Sheetz sighting, because she may not have made it off UVA Property. If she did and was brought back then the Cavalier Inn sighting could still be in the equation. And what about the possible Boyd Tavern sighting? The boys in the vehicle were trying to find the route to Harrisonburg, and they were headed the wrong way. Maybe they turned around at that point and came back toward Charlottesville heading in the correct way on Ivy finally. AND, moreover we don’t know how many boys may have been inside the vehicle with this boy who was fighting with Morgan, there could have been more than one.
If she OD’ed or was given something that made her ill, and she died inside the car would they have REALLY panicked and drove back into the arena grounds? Or somewhere between Boyd Tavern and the beginning of Charlottesville proper did they drop her off, then drive back into the arena lot dropping off her purse, where ever it was found?
Dakota,
I have to ask you if you know any of these girls Morgan was with.Your posts indicate a familiarity with the little darlings that I’d like to see you expand on.As well,I always appreciate your posts.Thank you,R
Blink,
On the Facebook question–if you search yourself boc you’ll see one with a photo and one without. One might be an older, unformed account that didn’t get deleted.
btw, it kind of bothers me that this person is asking so persistently. Got a bad vibe.
Just fyi. No need for cheese.
Thanks WG. It is ok, I do not accept friendships on it and everything is set to private anyway.
I am in the process of converting to a fan site, eventually.
Stilton ok?
B
I saw the FB pages too. Here are the links…
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1531901708&ref=search&sid=1034124017.730447448..1
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1372959224&ref=search&sid=1034124017.730447448..1
I am the first link only. Clueless as to the second.
B
Sorry – the previous post was vague… FB pages for Blink On Crime are listed above.