Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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Comment by J2K — January 6, 2010 @ 3:34 pm
Quote within this comment by Blink, “It states the theft occurs between 5:38 PM and 5:55PM. Remember that Dan dropped the girls off and parked the car? That is the only lot far enough away that would need for him to do that and the range is correct. Who gives a range of when it was stolen? A person making an accusation as to who stole it and their opportunity to do so.”
Actually, police reports involving stolen property use ranges of time quite frequently. The victim is asked when he/she last saw/had possession of the item and when it was discovered missing – ergo the time frame in which the property was taken. What I do find odd with this report is the 3.5-hour lag between when the purse was supposedly stolen and the RPT timestamp….or is that the official time when the paperwork has been completed and the report filed?
LARCENY FROM VEHICLE – The Park 200901369/22
Reported purse and contents stolen from vehicle
RPT: 2130 10-17-09 OCC: 1738 10-17-09 to 1755 10-17-09
Just to be clear (no pun intended), Observer never stated the BB players were “cleared” – she stated that they are not suspects.
They are *witnesses* until we’re told anything different – and they may not have even witnessed that much. It was acknowledged through several statements put out (once speculations began about their involvement in the investigation) that these guys helped fill in about 10 minutes of MH’s timeline prior to her disappearance, and they place her in the RV lot around 9:20 p.m. While there is no way of knowing right now, it’s also possible they provided details about her appearance/demeanor/state of mind/intentions.
I don’t understand why some of you apparently think these students should hold a press conference or something equivalent to dispute anonymous, unfounded allegations on comments boards and blogs about their theoretical/assumed involvement in MH’s demise.
It’s been said before and I’ll say it again: they owe the prying public Nothing – and we owe them the courtesy of respecting their current status as witnesses rather than suspects.
If the three young white men clad in black (noted by bookkeeper witness interviewed in The HooK) had been recognized/identified as UVA football players, and were subsequently confirmed to have been walking with MH away from the arena and toward the RV lot at 9:05 p.m., we might be all over them, too … right?
I agree they do not owe the public information. I also believe if they have not been cleared, it is an important current fact in this investigation subject to change if they are. I agree they are witnesses and nothing else at this point and no other inferences should be made at this juncture.
I am simply stating that they have not been cleared and you never handed back the goblet so it might be a while before I can cough up anything else.
B
One University of Virginia graduate said he remembers seeing Morgan Harrington before Saturday night’s concert in the parking lot.
“It was definitely her. I’m 100% certain of that,” he said.
Gardner, a 2005 UVA grad who now works in New Jersey, came back to Charlottesville to see Metallica.
“She pulled up with her party and got out of the car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” he told CBS Station WDBJ correspondent Jean Jadhon. “She did seem excited for Metallica, “because she asked us who the opening act was. We told her and then she immediately said, ‘Well, who cares anyway? We’re here to see Metallica, right?’”
Gardner says Harrington was anxious to get into the arena. “It was clear to us she wanted to get in there and no one else was in as big of a hurry as her and it was frustrating for her,” he said.
Gardner said he did not see evidence that either Harrington or the people in the car she was in were drinking, and didn’t want to speculate on it.
Harrington only spoke to Gardner’s group for a few minutes before heading toward the arena, but he says he remembers seeing the car after the concert – without Morgan.
“There were definitely just three people in the car, and she was the only one we spoke to, and we all noticed that she wasn’t in the car,” he said.
Gardner did not think much about it until … “My Dad e-mailed me and said, ‘Did you hear someone vanished at the concert?’ And I, you know, I got online out of curiosity and a chill just ran straight down my spine when I saw the picture.”
Blink: sorry to repost all this but wouldn’t mr. gardner know which lot he was in? also, his brother, cousin and friend. that makes four people to verify where Morgan’s car was. plus, he states he did not see (let me paraphrase here), an obnoxious, irrational, out of control, drunk girl. so if we are to believe him…what gives?
Observer — fantastic post and I’m with you almost entirely except for the disabling part.
You offered this scenario:
“The abductor/assailant/perpetrator is headed toward JPJ, stops, convinces Morgan to get into his vehicle (remember, it is misty, dark and 42 degrees outside and Morgan is only wearing a tee-shirt; no jacket or coat), drives directly to the Lannigan RV lot (only feet away), disables her, discards her purse out the vehicle window, and leaves the area with Morgan.”
Could you please explain “disable” because (bear with me) I’m having a hard time visualizing this. He has just picked up a girl who has hitched for a ride (we assume) and now he turns into the rv parking lot and….does what? Knocks her out? With what? A club? In the middle of a populated parking lot? Or does he inject her with a syringe? Hold her down? The logistics of this don’t feel right. I’m having a hard time believing that within minutes of spotting MOrgan on the bridge he made an instant decision to “disable” her AND was physically ready to do this with a weapon at hand. And had the hutzpah to do this in a populated area.
Everything else in your post makes 100% sense. I hear you loud and clear.
Thanks O. Your posts are always tremendously enlightening (and I never even have to put on my reading glasses!)
Comment by J2K — January 6, 2010 @ 5:46 pm
B, et al – (follow up to OPRA request suggestion for incident report)
Oop. Public records requests/acts vary from state to state. In Virginia, it’s referred to as the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), and it, of course, covers UVA.
From http://www.virginia.edu/foia/records.html:
J2K: please clarify for littl’ ole’ me…remember i may be missing part of my frontal lobe(per, chad
but i am very good at following directions!!!
Any and all of us, as searchers, could go in and request this information as long as we follow the proper channels?!
fish -
Feel free to “fish,” my friend – public records are just that: *public* records. If you tap your (I know to be fully functioning) frontal lobe, and fill out the paper work necessary to submit a clear, proper request, you should be provided with the info you seek.
Now, that’s not to say there aren’t exceptions, i.e. info *not* considered public (currently); but basic incident reports and the like (as long as they are not protected by someone’s attorney) are accessible by law… as long as you bait your hook and cast your line correctly.
B – (re: response to #1802)
So you’re saying the BB players (or one of them) were suspects at one point in time? (thus needing to be “cleared”?) I did read a post elsewhere awhile back from someone local and allegedly “in the know,” who claimed that one player was a suspect for 9 days. Is this what you’re referring to?
In my view, these young men – per LE – are just several of many, many individuals interviewed for this case, though I can understand if they were approached from a more suspicious angle on the part of LE at first. We only know who they are – as opposed to dozens or even hundreds of others interviewed (and maybe several others who were at first under suspicion) – because these well-known students were publicly outed.
What makes them in need of “clearing”? (and I understand, of course, if you can’t say, but i’ma ask anyway.)
Regardless, a shipment of officially sanctioned Thinking Goblets are on their way to BOC Headquarters for you to disperse at will. (And a basket of muffins are on their way to Woods and Wilkerson so they don’t order a hit on me for posting #1788…)
LOL LOL Thank You, waiting at the foy- ay.
I never said they needed to be cleared. You referred to them as such, and I simply addressed the fact that they had not been.
The suspect for 9 days crap was a rumor. That is just silly. I have heard several rumors, none of which have appeared on here from my yap. It is inappropriate . We are in agreement as to the status of the gentlemen in question.
B
What kind of muffins?
Fish LOL! Your lobe is fine. If ever you need to use the lobe handle, we will all know who indeed you are.
J2K: You are just way too funny. But exactly spot on in your intense time/scenario detail. I’m sorry but I have to pass on the purse discussion, not that I really had anything constructive to add to it anyways,…… I just can’t go there…..jug, golbet or not.
Observer has so many archived posts, I just do not have the time to back to the library again anytime soon. However, like blink, she can and does have verification on speculations and also facts that help us keep in line with LE to some degree.
Fish and J2K, I think if research the threads on the Morgan dana facebook page, they did post those, not by link, but full text. That way you can verify. I do tend to agree with Blink, that they have omitted information or changed it since the original post.
Observer: HNY to you! Best holiday post wishes. Thanks for swooping in and keeping us grounded and level in our thinking as usual. We all really needed that reading glass post.
B – (re: #1798)
(You mean it *was* Observer’s Mendozza…)
That was actually a note to self, i.e. I painstakingly cobbled together instructions for UVA-related FOIA requests and posted them before taking the time to read your previous comment alerting me that your crew’s been on it.
(But worth the fuss *hiccup* for a well-needed laugh – TY, B/Sorry, O! *clink*)
Teehee.
I think painstakingly cobbled may be an oxymoron. But I would not know. My *prinkinggerbalslets* arrived an hour ago, thanks.
B
Observer, so glad to have you back. I learn great deal from your observations and your ongoing conversations with Blink and Company…
Blink, thank you for sharing what you have heard regarding Morgan and her car ride to JPJ.
I am at a loss to why if Morgan was so blatantly impaired,she was not removed from the arena, arrested or at least given medical attention…
If this is true, and she was not removed, why wasn’t she arrested, or medics called when she tried to reenter several times?
In my opinion, a person who is tripping and drinking, has a hard time “maintaining.” Since we have LE stating she was acting irrationally and she was combative as early as the car ride to JPJ, she was most likely tripping hard and may have been having a bad trip.
If this was the case,again, IMO, she would not have been able to regain her composure when conversing with anyone. Therefore, it would have been blatantly obvious she was impaired and at the very least, should have been stopped in order to find out if she was underage.
What venue would allow an obviously p.oed, loud, combative possibly a danger to herself or others, drunk person roaming their grounds? Would that not be a liability? Since we know she tried several times to regain entry we also know security had several chances to apprehend Morgan, right?
This in my opinion should have been dealt with by security for their patrons safety, as well as the safety of Morgan who was under-aged, and obviously impaired. Not to mention loud, irrational and acting out. Why was it not?
B -
What kind of muffins do the spin docs get, you ask? How about those of the very plain, dry variety – made only of the most basic ingredients the baker can craft them from and still get away with calling them muffins.
As far as said “crap” rumors on other sites, that’s why I only read and post here (occasionally following links from fellow Blinkers to outside blogs/threads, which is where I saw the “insider’s” insight on the BB players). I only even mentioned it because that post was the only place I read that stated at least one dude was actually considered a suspect. Clearly I did not take it to heart, as it did nothing to quell my obnoxious defense of these young men… whom I know virtually nothing about.
I am, however, *finally* picking up what you’re puttin’ down in regard to my earlier use of the term “cleared.” And, as usual, your point is duly taken.
*snicker*
I do not think there is a thing about you that is obnoxious, mon frier.
With the slight exception that I do believe your snark IQ supercedes my own.
Bon Nuit
B
Blink and all,
I know I said I was through scrutinizing the friends, their behavior and their words, but come on, according to Fish’s post, Dave Gardner is completely full of S5!*. This is why the public can not move on, from them. Casey Anthony is in so much trouble because of the lies she told regarding her daughter’s disappearance. Although these 2o somethings are not accused of murdering their daughter,or Morgan, how can we ignore the red flags that their lies are putting up? How we give them a pass and not Casey?
I have went through DG statement and followed up with some thoughts….
“It was definitely her. I’m 100% certain of that,” he said.”
He should be, didn’t Dan make introductions?
“She pulled up with her party and got out of the car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” he told CBS Station WDBJ correspondent Jean Jadhon.
This makes it sound as if Morgan was driving. Also makes it sound somewhat off putting or forward of Morgan to “immediately” engage 3 strange men in conversation. And was this friend Dee? If not was it Dan?
“Gardner says Harrington was anxious to get into the arena. “It was clear to us she wanted to get in there and no one else was in as big of a hurry as her and it was frustrating for her,” he said.”
“Gardner said he did not see evidence that either Harrington or the people in the car she was in were drinking, and didn’t want to speculate on it.”
If he simply said- I didn’t see any beer cans or other, I understand this statement- Or was he lying completely?.
“Harrington only spoke to Gardner’s group for a few minutes before heading toward the arena, but he says he remembers seeing the car after the concert – without Morgan.”
If Dan dropped the girls off and then parked, it seems highly unlikely he would have seen the car again, unless he met up at the car after.
“There were definitely just three people in the car, and she was the only one we spoke to, and we all noticed that she wasn’t in the car,” he said”.
This is a weird statement,his friend Dan was driving…he said nothing to him? AM and SS were there to, he never spoke with them either? Also, he had just said (see statement above) she was the only one eager to get inside and it was frustrating for her that she had to wait…if they were not talking,why would they stand there, and not simply go inside? There were 4 people not three, in Morgan’s party as Fish so aptly pointed out..
“Gardner did not think much about it until … “My Dad e-mailed me and said, ‘Did you hear someone vanished at the concert?’ And I, you know, I got online out of curiosity and a chill just ran straight down my spine when I saw the picture.”
We know that Dan is Dave’s friend. We know he saw the car leaving, he puts himself there,right? But he is not there for Dee’s conversation with Dan? He is friend’s with Dee did she not tell him the plans changed because of Morgan? and he only knows about Morgan being missing after his father emails him Morgan’s photo? What in the F#@& is going on?
For the life of me I can not understand why everyone is so hush hush and protective of Dan why not just tell the truth?
Thanks again to Fish for posting this article, and I have the same question, What gives?
Chad -
HNY! I’ll make my way over to the other thread soon – is that where everyone’s at now? (And, trust me – I hear you on the purse tip. Just….can’t…help myself.)
Not sure what you were addressing to fish and me. What’s on the MH Facebook page?
B -
Vous êtes bienvenu!
You said:
“I think painstakingly cobbled may be an oxymoron.” (in re: #1809)
Upon reflection, I’d say you’re correct (and have out-nerded me for the night! … well, for the last 20 minutes, at least.)
snipped comment from Blink, January 6, 2010 @ 11:46 am:
“There is a pervasive preconception among some members of UVA PD, that has spilled over to civillians who they have spoken to about this case, that Morgan Harrington was drunk, believed to be on a hallucinagenic and was obnoxious and combative ON THE WAY TO JPJ in the car.”
Would this “obnoxious and combative” behavior be before, during, or after Morgan was allegedly studying for her math exam in the back seat.
(rolling my rubber boots up a little bit higher)
I know this was rhetorical, I just wanted to acknowledge it.
Before, during and after, depending on who you believe-
B
momof3, you are so right about the david gardner/dan thing. something doesn’t seem right. I guess I’d need a diagram about all of their relationships, tho, to understand who was friends with whom, who was acquaintances with whom, and who was strangers with whom. Then it might make more sense.
Fish and J2K, I think if research the threads on the Morgan dana facebook page, they did post those, not by link, but full text. That way you can verify. I do tend to agree with Blink, that they have omitted information or changed it since the original post.
i believe that Chad was meaning the police reports were posted early on facebook. i remember seeing them. if i cannot find the reports, looks like i’m going swimmming, j2K. wish me luck. don’t know how the muffins will last, wet and all! lol lol lol
Momof3, i reposted this gardner story because “WOW”, Morgan is walking and talking!! looks to me someone should talk to mr. david gardner or possibly they did. i think that there was texting and verbal conversations between many groups that night:
Morgan and her group: amy, dan and sarah (4)
dee and her group: bf zack, another dude, another dude (4)
dave garnder and his group: brother, cousin, friend (4)
uva bbplayers: possible ‘jtuck’, player ?, player ?, player ? (4)
unknowns: GGBG, BGBG, furniture guy, possible mystery friend from Hburg (4)
sounds like there was a great “lot” of people that could know and probably know more than what we know!!!
i think that i should be moving threads here, right?
Blink, I don’t know if anyone else has seen this or signed it but I thought I would post it over here just incase. I am also gonna post it on your new post as well.
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Please consider signing this. Gil and I will be going to D.C. to support this.
Morning everyone. I’m still reading and going back and forth between articles and comments. I’ll probably have to switch over to the new one bc it does take forever for this one to load.
I love reading these intelligent posts…everyone is so smart, and skyler, when you so much as mention your son I sit up, straighten up my glasses, and carefully read every word. You’re a great teacher, and you are gifted at telling stories.
There are a few things I can’t get past…the main one being the behavior of the friends, the mixed up stories and explainations; and I don’t believe one word from David Gardner. Nothing smells right about these people. This is my gut instinct, whatever you want to call it.
As a local, and a local mom of a housefull of teenagers, I would sure like to believe that LE has a handle on this. If our children, and daughters especially, are at risk, I would expect this to be front-page news. The fact that we’re not hearing anything leads me to believe that they do have a POI, but why is it taking so long? I think they need to be a little more specific in their request for help…watch for someone’s mood swings and changes in behavior? How about a little more help. I know thye’re “talking” to someone close to the POI, but I think they need to be a little less cryptic and maybe park a few units at the foot of someone’s driveway, show some presence, give us a few more hints. Let us help, for goodness sake.
After trying to take a refresher course and going back to beginning reports of Morgan’s disappearance, which by the way, I have tried many times, so that I can take a simpler handle on things, I have come across these conflicts. Take it as you see it. I’m not insinuating anything other than conflicting stories. Hopefully, the friends, including Dan C have told everything to LE and that the stories finally matched in LEs opinion. This is just an example of why there are so many questions and suspicions going on.
I am attaching this report from Oct. 20, three days after Morgan’s disappearance. I am marking sections notable to me, thus: **example**.
From: Roanoke Times
Reported by Shawna Morrison
Published Oct. 21: Parents plead for return of missing Virginia Tech student
Updated at 4:11 p.m. Oct. 20: Police ask Metallica fans to check video, photos for missing Tech student
Police continued to seek help Monday in finding a Virginia Tech student from Roanoke County who went missing during a Metallica concert in Charlottesville on Saturday night.
Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, was last seen near John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville, according to University of Virginia police.
**She had gone to the concert with Amy Melvin, her roommate in Blacksburg, and another friend from James Madison University. Harrington drove.**
Melvin said Harrington went outside before Metallica took the stage. She said she wasn’t sure why.
“Everyone assumed she’d be coming back,” said Amanda Melvin, Amy Melvin’s older sister and a friend of Harrington’s. Friends and family still haven’t heard from Harrington, she said.
**Amanda Melvin said Harrington’s purse and cellphone were found outside the stadium and her car was still in the parking lot.** She said Harrington wouldn’t abandon her friends there. (My comment: It seems they were saying at that time that Morgan drove and above only two were mentioned as going. Why no mention of Dan?)
(http://www2.newsvirginian.com/wnv/news/local/article/missing_case_criminal_matter/47796/)
Missing case criminal matter
By Ted Strong, Media General News Service
Published: October 22, 2009
CHARLOTTESVILLE — Police are now treating the investigation into a missing Metallica fan as a criminal matter, though they say there’s still no evidence any crime has been committed.
Officials have Morgan Dana Harrington’s purse and her cell phone, but no idea where she is, though they’ve received more than 100 tips of varying quality.
Soon, they plan to offer a reward of at least $50,000 for information leading to the location of the Virginia Tech student.
Lt. Joe Rader of the Virginia State Police said that a ground search of the area around the arena didn’t turn up any sign of the missing Roanoke woman.
The last anyone heard from her, she had left the show looking for a restroom and ended up leaving the arena entirely, Rader said at a news conference Wednesday outside the University of Virginia police headquarters.
**She called her friends** from outside the arena to tell them not to worry and that she would try to find a way to get home, Rader said. (Comment by me: This was later changed to one of the friends called Morgan)
The arena, like many venues, doesn’t allow re-entry during concerts.
The next day, a passerby found Harrington’s purse and cell phone, without its battery, in a parking lot, and her parents reported her missing.
“We have a purse, and we have a cell phone, and we have a missing girl,” he said.
Rader said it wasn’t unusual that her phone would be without a battery but didn’t elaborate.
Police have scoured surveillance footage and interviewed Harrington’s friends, but neither has yielded significant progress in the case
_____________________________________________________________________
I know this is long and may be considered by some knitpicky. I just wonder what the real story is and if we’ve ever heard it yet. I feel that the friends were very alarmed and possibly didn’t even know she hadn’t made it back yet until Mr. Harrington called. They didn’t want to bust the whole thing, because maybe Morgan was just late getting back. I think too, that they knew why Morgan went out and thought they knew where she was. They didn’t want to give up the whole story so they held back a lot of info. I hope they have come clean now with LE and told absolutely every little detail that they can remember.
I feel that Morgan was taken by someone she was at least aquainted with and the friends know who this is. Maybe, this person never showed up and Morgan was then taken by a stranger, but, somehow I don’t feel this. And anything I have said here is just my thoughts, most certainly not facts.
J2K,
I apologize, I should have been more specific. In my post I was referrering to the police reports on the night night of the 17th. I thought that blink had said or someone had mentioned, per current discussions o arrests that night, that the reports had ommitted the intoxication indications on the reports.
Previously, either on a thread way back here on this site, or on the FDMH FB has the original reports. And I as I recall, if memory servers me right, there were quite a few that night at the arena the night of the concert.
Going to the newest thread to post. See ya all there.
Chad -
No need to apolly! (Blink-speak)
It was not I looking for the police reports; B and several others were working a theory that a report filed regarding a stolen purse/car break-in may have been related, or even called in by MH. As I recalled a post by Observer noting that MH’s car was apparently in the UHall lot (not the Park lot 20 min away where the report was filed), I did not agree with the theory but wanted to help anyone looking to access UVA PO reports (of course B was already on top of it anyway). Regardless, appreciate the heads-up.
Chad, Momof3, suz, Josie, fish, et al -
We’re the last brave soldiers at the botton of this thread canyon, I do believe. I’d like to continue this conversation on the new MH thread, if you’re obliged – got some points from each of that I’d like to weigh in on.
B -
Final comment: (re # 1812)
Indeed. I actually have an advanced degree in snarkology, which I obtained online. (“It was easy, and I could do it from home!”)
LOL, see you there
B
I was posting this on the discussion and some folks were chatting about if Morgan was so intoxicted, and impaired that night as witnesses reported, why wasn’t she arrested? Meaning that there were several arrests made that night at the arena for people being intoxicated. Now, when those reports are pulled up, they do not show these arrests, as they had previously reflected these arrests of intoxication. Which is interesting to me.
But anyway……no need to respond, I just thought that I would mention it if anyone is interested in finding that intitial posting of arrests. I was referring to blinks post about the reports being changed. Not about the parking lot, or break in. I do not think the stolen purse is related to Morgan, but it is possible.
(See below)
Sorry Blink. On the UVA PD’s website, to get the report for the night of October 17, 2009 apparently you have to search under the year 2010. When I did the search under Oct. 17, 2009, the previous year came up.
Here is the correct report.
LARCENY FROM VEHICLE – The Park 200901369/22
Reported purse and contents stolen from vehicle
RPT: 2130 10-17-09 OCC: 1738 10-17-09 to 1755 10-17-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
PROPERTY FOUND – Cage Parking Lot 200901379/45
Reported purse found
RPT: 0819 10-18-09 OCC: 0800 10-18-09
CASE STATUS: Active
There were five arrests at JPJ that night and one assault.
The report of Morgan’s disappearance was logged in at 1:40 PM.
MISSING PERSON – John Paul Jones Arena 200901381/45
Report of missing Virginia Tech student
RPT: 1340 10-18-09 OCC: 2048 10-18-09
CASE STATUS: Transferred
Yes, all 5 of those were alcohol related, they just all of a sudden do not say it.
We looked it up through an online source that has since also been changed.
B
I was posting this on the discussion and some folks were chatting about if Morgan was so intoxicted, and impaired that night as witnesses reported, why wasn’t she arrested? Meaning that there were several arrests made that night at the arena for people being intoxicated. Now, when those reports are pulled up, they do not show these arrests, as they had previously reflected these arrests of intoxication. Which is interesting to me.
But anyway……no need to respond, I just thought that I would mention it if anyone is interested in finding that intitial posting of arrests. I was referring to blinks post about the reports being changed. Not about the parking lot, or break in. I do not think the stolen purse is related to Morgan, but it is possible.
(See below)
Sorry Blink. On the UVA PD’s website, to get the report for the night of October 17, 2009 apparently you have to search under the year 2010. When I did the search under Oct. 17, 2009, the previous year came up.
Here is the correct report.
LARCENY FROM VEHICLE – The Park 200901369/22
Reported purse and contents stolen from vehicle
RPT: 2130 10-17-09 OCC: 1738 10-17-09 to 1755 10-17-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
PROPERTY FOUND – Cage Parking Lot 200901379/45
Reported purse found
RPT: 0819 10-18-09 OCC: 0800 10-18-09
CASE STATUS: Active
There were five arrests at JPJ that night and one assault.
The report of Morgan’s disappearance was logged in at 1:40 PM.
MISSING PERSON – John Paul Jones Arena 200901381/45
Report of missing Virginia Tech student
RPT: 1340 10-18-09 OCC: 2048 10-18-09
CASE STATUS: Transferred
Yes, all 5 of those were alcohol related, they just all of a sudden do not say it.
We looked it up through an online source that has since also been changed.
B
I wanted to quickly respond to a snippet, then I have to get to work, but will check back later on everyones progress.
Fish: Lobes are in tact. J2K: goblets are in full force…..
Fish: if you want me to help search in the archives I will, but you will have to direct me to what you want. If you would like the orignal postings of the Police reports, I will try to find that. Keep fingers crossed they are test copies and not link.
Mouse: In regards to the Anne article, which was quite a few posts up, I guess I just briefly read the link concerning Anne, and her clients/affiliations and also her bio was there. My point was that I didn’t see any clients or onon profits that would indicte to me she has done any MP cases. I could be wrong. That article really was kinda of meatless I thought. But perhaps to educate the public segment that is not fimilar yet with Morgans case?
I guess I find it strange that if she is a PI, why Kenny would employ her services as a writer to cover the Morgan H case? All intentions good on Kenny’s part to engage the media in any way to progress Morgans case by getting the word out to the public. Agreed there.
This area i know very little about, and I am not comfortable speaking to this subject at all, and probably shouldn’t have commented at all. But, one would think, and this is in line with your thinking that they could and would seek an organization with a higher profile PR firm for missing persons.
Chad,
I appreciate what you are saying regarding the PI writer.
The Harringtons are/were working with a high profile PR firm.
I realize their are so many posts and information on this thread to get through and retain – - I will repost a partial “re: PR firm” below just to clarify
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January 5, 2010 @ 1:39 am
Chad,
I was referring not to the PI’s client list, but that of the high-end Washington, DC firm Levick Strategic Communications portfolio…
IMO, given Levick’s portfolio of clients, I think this was a good choice considering the potential VORTEX the Harringtons and Morgan might find themselves in with the university and its holdings. They have done incredibly great work – - the family website, Gil’s writings, media interviews, etc (and I believe it is was gratis, or at least gratis in the beginning – - I don’t know the specifics). But the exposure has seemed to drop off. Perhaps they can do only so much based on what they are given.
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Chad, also, fwiw, IMO, LE has been using a “soft approach” for over 2 1/2 months. While we are not privy, I’m thinking perhaps that “soft approach” may be coming to an end. JMO.
To those who know where Morgan is…
Regarding Blink’s perspective about Law Enforcement… “…I’m thinking perhaps that “soft approach” may be coming to an end.”
It would probably be VERY SMART for those who know where Morgan is to IMMEDIATELY get an attorney! Blink has said she would connect you/y’all with a ‘pro bono’ [that's FREE] attorney to help advise you of the best way to let LE know where Morgan is.
You know good and well that the time for ‘understanding’, gentleness, and minimum consequences is slipping away. Don’t be a fool and let this get worse. This window of opportunity may close in days or even hours.
Before long, the Law will consider you a FUGITIVE from Justice, and that is FAR more serious than where you are today. Don’t ask anyone else what you should do. YOU KNOW what you HAVE to do. GRAB this chance for maintaining a life worth living NOW… RIGHT NOW. Go to the Library and use one of their computers to post here and get Blink’s generous assistance with this, or use a pay phone to call one of the TIP LINES, or follow the instructions of your family attorney on how to make a terrible situation as good as it can get. Its time to man-up and get past this. Which ever way you do it, DO IT NOW~!
The sooner this gets done, the easier it will be and the sooner it will all be over. You don’t deserve this pressure and pain, Morgan needs to go home. She’s probably a friend of your’s. Her family needs to lay her to rest. But its all up to you. You hold the key to everyone’s peace and healing, including your own. YOU CAN DO IT~!
…And Thank You. ^i^
Blink… I’ll also post this on the newer thread. This person/people have so little time to get this done. It has to be scary for them, but its the only way this problem will be solved, for them OR the Harringtons. Thanks for all you do Blink.
Mouse,
Thank you for your response. Who does Anne work for? Perhaps I sould go back to the link, and read it more carefully.
On another note, I totally agree with LE being soft, and taking the “please have a some feelings of guilt about what has happened to Morgan and come forward” attitude. ” I do not think that I have ever heard of a criminal turning himself/herself in based a a press plea from LE. Has anyone? I also have stated that I believe that with this last press conference that LE released, Lt. Radar was indeed speaking to either A) parents of a possible POI, B) known friends of the POI C) girlfriend and or spouse of a probable POI. Perhaps they have seen the neckace, camera, or are acting strange.
I hope this investigative soft style approach does come to a closure, for Morgans, and her family’s sake.
I believe that they are trying, but perhaps a little more agressive approach would prove more productive.
Have a great day and if anyone is as cold as I am……please try to stay warm!!
Catch,
While I was tempted to let this go, I should clarify to you that the comments you are referring to – - “Chad, also, fwiw, IMO, LE has been using a “soft approach” for over 2 1/2 months. While we are not privy, I’m thinking perhaps that “soft approach” may be coming to an end. JMO.”
are mine, not Blink’s. That might change your perspective as to “how sound” those comments are.
Re: fish, 1/6/10, 2:44pm: You stated that “…every male involved in Morgan’s case is protected by a veil of secrecy…”
I respectfully disagree that “every male involved in MH’s case is protected by a veil of secrecy” and can assure you that they are not. Far from it. I might humbly ask that you accept that assurance. While that request may at first appear troublesome, in time you will come to understand that this is indeed a true statement.
At the risk of redundancy, please allow me to say: because certain information is not released for public consumption, i.e., is intentionally withheld, does not negate the existence of the information nor its applicability in this investigation.
I realize and fully appreciate that frustration reigns supreme and emotions run high. It is when they are running the highest that it’s incumbent upon us to stop, re-assess, and re-focus. Without that, efforts toward successful resolution of a criminal investigation are severely compromised.
You also posed the following question: “…if we are to believe that ‘jtuck’, was interviewed and if you know this than how is it that you know not one other name?
Please allow me to reiterate for purposes of clarity: I did not indicate that I do not know one other name. I indicated “I am unable to confirm any other information.”
The above statement does not say “I have no other information.” It states “I am unable to confirm any other information.”
To put a finer point on it: from the above statement one might assume that I possess information that I am unable to confirm to readers at this time. [B is smiling right now because she understands precisely what I am attempting to convey.]
The above provides an excellent segue into a question posed by sue, 1/6/10, 2:04pm: I have no “professional relation” to the MH case. More specifically, I am not currently employed by any of the four LE agencies involved in this investigation. [Intentional emphasis on the word “currently”.] As mentioned before, I am not now nor have ever been an employee of the UVAPD.
As stated in earlier posts, I am currently employed by UVA and have direct experience in LE, specifically criminal investigation. My experience extends to the field of law and criminal prosecution. [In anticipation of other questions or conjecture, I am not now nor have ever been a legal secretary, paralegal, investigative reporter or PI.]
That said, I understand completely your desire to better understand how I am privy to certain information regarding this case. As Blink is already aware (we traded emails regarding this very early on), I maintain very close ties to senior officials in three of the four LE agencies involved in the MH investigation. There is additional, more detailed information regarding my connections (plural intended) to these three agencies that I would be happy to share here but would again be remiss to do so.
In summation, the statements in my posts are based upon two things: 1) knowledge; and 2) experience. I attempt to utilize insight and observation judiciously, as well. Where I have shared a belief, I have included the words “I believe” or “My belief is”. I am by design very intentional in my narratives.
I hope the above is a sufficient or satisfactory answer to your very understandable question. If not, please accept my apologies and understand that I am not in a position to comment further.
Thanks for spotting that and getting back to me, Chad. If you can edit my post so it is accurate That’s all I need. Personally *I* feel that LE can only afford to use a soft approach for a while more before they have to UP the pressure, so no matter if the quote is Blink’s or your’s, it doesn’t change my message to those who know where Morgan is.
If its okay with you, and you can edit my comment, I’d like it to say…
Regarding Chad’s perspective about Law Enforcement… “…I’m thinking perhaps that “soft approach” may be coming to an end.”
…in both threads, this one and the newer one. OR I can repost them.
and then: Comment 1830 can be edited to removed Blink from the equation and let me speak to the other posters. To wit:
I’ll also post this on the newer thread. This person/people have so little time to get this done. It has to be scary for them, but its the only way this problem will be solved, for them OR the Harringtons.
Just let me know if you’ll edit or if you want me to repost.
Chad, as the founder of OurCountryHaven.com I know it takes a lot of dedicated people to run a website. So “Thanks!” to you and the others who labor behind the scenes to help Blink and SO many others.
Here is a link to the local coverage of Kristen Fox, who was found dumped behind the McDonalds at Zion Crossroads, east of town. I wonder who the friends were who picked her up? Did she have friends there in Fluvanna? As one of the commenters mentioned, it might be time to try to connect some of the dots…all these missing and murdered young women. Is it drug related? Does it have to do with the known meth problem in these rural communities, all along the 29, 64 and 81 corridors? Did Morgan somehow get caught up in this, intentionally or not? Kristen was also a student with a future ahead of her, someone’s beautiful daughter who was lucky enough to be found.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/80632892.html
There is a new article on the Examiner and linked through the FindMorgan site. Seems to take another “soft” approach to the perpetrator at the end, by emphasizing that tips may be made anonymously and offering various avenues to make them. Do you guess that this latest article is an effort that is actively condoned/requested by law enforcement? And on this site as well, as shown in the separate, more recent thread, appealing to human decency?
Mouse,
I did not know the extent of Vortex and what the entire umbrella of their services ( particularily gratis for the Harringtons. ) I in no way meant to criticize the Harringtons or this PR firm at all. I should have keep my mouth closed. Find Morgan Dana is a great website, as well as the facebook.
My apologies if I offended anyone with my ignorance and my comments . Open mouth insert foot.
Catch,
Are you with LE or have a law background? I’m inquiring out of curiosity because you seem quite informative.
Relative to the purse…I believe LE said the purse is not important.
In addition, I believe the limo driver stated that Morgan did not have her purse when on the bridge.
Thus, she could very well have left her purse behind, unknowingly in an impaired state. She, herself, may have removed the dead battery prior to dropping/leaving her purse.
That purse might have passed through many hands before being found te next morning. A thief may have taken the necklace and camera out of her purse and tossed the rest aside, only to be found the next morning.
The LE emphasized the significance of the following:
“The purse is not important”.
“The answer is in Charlottesville”.
“Anyone who attended concert whose behavior has changed”
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This leaves the following individuals:
1) Student(s) in Charlottesville.
2) Individual(s) who reside in Charlottesville.
3) Individual(s) who works in Charlottesville.
4) A combination of the above.
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Excluded from this list per LE, “friends”:
DC, SS, AM.
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Who fits the aforementioned criteria?
I meant to post that on the other thread. You can delete it if you wish. I am going to paste it on that thread.
Thanks
Chad,
I saw nothing even remote to you critizing the H’s or the Pr firm …
no worries!
I highlighted vortex only to emphasize that I felt the PR firm were saavy and experienced enough in dealing with institutions the size of and with the scope of a university and all that may or may not arise.
I feel terrible that I somehow led you to feel badly – - I give you all my cheese, and don’t you dare keep your lips and typing fingers closed! You are fabulously smart.
mouse
Catch,
The “soft approach comments” were mine (wpgmouse).
Not Blink’s or Chad’s.
It doesn’t matter to me at all that your post be edited or corrected for that. No worries, Catch.
If Blink is okay with it, so am I.
Cheers!
Catch,
I think your above comment was meant for Mouse. She states:
Comment by wpgmouse — January 7, 2010 @ 4:59 pm
Catch,
While I was tempted to let this go, I should clarify to you that the comments you are referring to – - “Chad, also, fwiw, IMO, LE has been using a “soft approach” for over 2 1/2 months. While we are not privy, I’m thinking perhaps that “soft approach” may be coming to an end. JMO.”
are mine, not Blink’s. That might change your perspective as to “how sound” those comments are.
Believe me Catch, you do not want me to edit your post! LOL. English was not my forte’.
Great Post by the way. That auctually had a little meat in it! I hope that whatever strategy, soft, or pressure,or even high pressure, whatever it takes to bring Morgan home, they need to get done. I believe that LE is trying. We all want Morgan home to re unite with her family in such a bad way. We are posters from all over the country that have been following this case since the beginning. Blogging everyday, checking in to see any updates. Most of us our parents ourselves, and are mothers and or fathers, brothers, sisters ourselves that can very much relate/connect to this story in some way. Our common thread is compassion and this is how we get by and roll here.
Thank you for all you do to.
I don’t know how to find the new thread??? Can you help me??? Thanks.
Present for you guys: (hope the link works) please let me know what you think. Please note the siblings. Are these are mysterious Dan and Dave in the OTHER car (not Blink’s Dan in Morgan’s car)? Maybe can explain the “5 of us” brother and other friend statement?
http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=dave+gardner&o=2048&sid=100000124366497.2334760757..1&s=10#/profile.php?id=1041365285&ref=search&sid=100000124366497.2254378959..1
The lovely and talented Candice…..
B
I hope the above is a sufficient or satisfactory answer to your very understandable question. If not, please accept my apologies and understand that I am not in a position to comment further.
O: thank you.
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Nice work Candice, thanks.
Blink,
I know we are off the friends and everyone says kids their age can’t possibly hold a secret, but these kids did a pretty good job of keeping people out of the public eye. All of them seemed to be on the same page in regards to my friend, my party ect.
Your thoughts, please, as I would really like to leave it at they are just guilty of bad behavior…..
P.s. Elisabeth here is the link to Blinks new article:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/01/05/morgan-harrington-case-an-appeal-to-you-know-who/#comments
Mouse,
No worries here. Thank you for giving me all your cheese……no need, really, but what shall pray tell I do with all of it?
You can probably do more with it than me.
You keep your cheese, and I’ll do the same. We are all in this together.
Let’s find Morgan and bring her home yesterday. We have to. Cheese to you mouse!
Hi, folks- Are some of you thinking that Morgan’s purse may have been stolen from her car between 5:38 PM and 5:55 PM ? (I may have read all of that incorrectly, and may be ‘way off base.) However, on the Virginia State Police “disappearance map and timeline” at http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/224154, it states at #4 red marker that Morgan was seen walking with a black purse in the University Hall parking area,at approx. 9:00-9:10 PM, and that some people were seen walking in the same direction. If you haven’t seen the map, and I’m sure most of you have, it’s great. It’s an overhead photograph and covers the entire area. You can drag the cursor in all directions and cover the whole campus, etc. I’ve printed out the main areas that pertain to Morgan’s movements from the Arena to the bridge and Ivy road. (cut and align and paste with a gluestick ! as I am basically computer illiterate) I read your posts every evening, and am so impressed at all of your work, knowledge and talent, and for your heartfelt concern for Morgan. Rose
Hi, folks- Have we all gone to another thread? Where, please? Rose