Morgan Harrington Murder: Harringtons Debut Morgan Rocks
Charlottesville, VA- Continuing the crusade to memorialize their daughter Morgan and keep the public focused on the dangerous killer(s) still at large, Dan and Gil Harrington will be meeting with media today at 1PM.
The meeting agenda will include the Harrington’s ongoing concerns for womens safety on and off campus, and their fears associated with the fact that there has not been an arrest in their daughters murder to date.
The Harringtons are also expected to announce MORGAN ROCKS.
In response to a hand-painted river rock, lovingly and generously created and delivered to the Copely bridge by blinkoncrime.com contributor Skyler, containing the phrase “Rock On”; The Harringtons have decided to widen the trend.
MORGAN ROCKS
We are starting a “gathering of rocks” at Morgan’s memorial on
Morgan’s Bridge at Copeley Road on the North Grounds of the University of Virginia. When you come to Charlottesville and to the bridge bring a rock and a prayer to add to the collection. Leave both at the bridge!
Morgan, Gil, Alex and I continue to need your support and prayers as we wait for Morgan’s murder(s) to be brought to justice. Your support in raising society’s awareness of the need to change the culture of acceptance of violence against women and in so doing change the laws that allow these crimes to go unpunished.
Skyler’s slate rock was the first. A beautiful painted slate rock with an image of Anchorage Farm, Tibetan prayer flags and an angel rising to the heavens. Morgan, Rock ON!!!
Dan Harrington
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Re: accelerant sniffing dog
The article was posted March 12, which makes this Friday, April 2, the end of the Fire Marshall’s 3 week training with Quaker (the dog) before he can be used. I wonder if the dog could sniff out accelerants, if present, on any clothing of Morgan’s as well as at the questionable house fire to tie the two together. If there was any kind of hit on Morgan’s clothing and the house fire, would that be a reliable tie to move forward with?
P.S. Those dogs are wonderfully talented. My house was torched due to arson when I was 9. (Long story, but my dad was running for election to a county commission seat, and it was torched on election night while we were at the courthouse.) The dogs on our case located 13 kerosene bombs and from their noses, Fire was able to determine that our house blew up before it burned up. We never did catch the arsonist, though.
That weekend plays back through my head a lot. Saturday~ Virginia Football is AWAY at Maryland; the team returns during the time of the concert. It was a cold, rainy Saturday. Sunday, early afternoon I participate in a HeartWalk then I drive to/park at JPJ to head out for a run, which takes us over the bridge… The area was deserted on Sunday. So, when at home on Sunday night~ to hear about the disappearance of a beautiful, young lady…Surreal. Bizzare. Scary. No police vehicles, no one out searching when we started/finished our run at JPJ… ??? A rape. A murder. There are many women in Charlottesville, including myself, who are terrified.
Blink,
Do you think it’s safe to assume from Gil’s comments “but how can you ever make sense of such an irrational barbaric act as rape and murder”, there is DNA evidence collected from the scene? Which also might match evidence gleaned from her shirt that was found earlier? The shirt that most likely had more viable DNA than the scene?
Err, I can’t say that absolutely at this point, no.
B
Hi Alexandra,
You said “This guy shoots at police on rt 20 near Red Hill Rd sometime around January 26th …”
I just want to make sure we’re all clear that Colby Eppard was shot January 1.
I want to know where he thought he was going. Quite possibly he was aimless, but I am interested in why southern Alb, why was he at Red Hill Rd @ Rte 20? Did he think he was en route to someone who could shelter him?
re: 40.alexandra says: March 29, 2010 at 7:39 am
“O and the sheriff that shot himself because his ears were ringing”
RETIRED sheriff.
Blink,
Does LE have Morgan’s computer? I would think her Facebook, MySpace pages would have good information regarding who she may know in the Cville area as well as her e-mail/IM friends. Are there possible connections between names/places mentioned on here that LE can connect to Morgan more definately?
I do not know if they still have her computer, but they did. They don’t need it to work through her facebook or online accounts, though.
B
***hypothetical***
i stated a week or so ago that perhaps Eppard is VSP’s #1 guy…flushing out a possible accomplice is now the priority, and a possible accomplice would be the ONLY reason they are so tight lipped if Eppard was the guy, since, he can no longer be “tipped off” that the police are “on to him”…KWIM??…but an accomplice could be…
it would definitely explain the lack of warning to residents about a killer “on the loose”, although if in fact Eppard is the guy, and he DID have help, VSP could still end up with egg on their face IMO, particularly if the “helper” re-offends in the meantime…
irony is, for me, someone in the initial interviews probably dropped a dime on Eppard, thus making themselves suspect #2, especially in hindsight, with the way Eppard “dealt” with being “caught”…he may have even told police that Eppard will say “I was involved too”…
im not much of a “researcher”, has anyone linked Eppard to any of the residents on Sutherland??
enough with the “teach our sons/men better” junk gang. “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus …” fix your security systems, hold your state institutions and organizations accountable, get your LE to disclose information, and teach your daughters how to use a gun, protect themselves, not go out at night by themselves, charge their phones and not leave friends outside venues by themselves. this isn’t a gender specific issue. men and boys are killed too and under just as terrible circumstances. it has been over 5 months and this case is getting cold… does anyone have any FACTS/EVIDENCE? do we know for a fact she was there? do we know for a fact she was in the arena? do we know for a fact she left the arena? do we know for a fact why she left the arena? do we know for a fact why she couldn’t get back in? do we know for a fact where they partied before the show? do we know for a fact who’s car Morgan was in? come on …
That is offensive.
B
2000Cville says the football team returned from an away game during the concert. I assume they return to the locker rooms near the stadium a few blocks away and not to UHall ….?
Blink-
You had mentioned in a previous article about Morgan that one of her friends told Dr Harrington that Morgan’s car was not at the arena that night–could you tell us who said that?
You also mentioned that you had spoken to VSP (and an insider) re: surveillance footage inside the arena–you said the from what you were told you were ‘led to believe’ that they had ‘irrefutable” proof that Morgan was indeed in the concert that evening. Could you elaborate on that? Of course I’m not asking for you to reveal your sources and anything like that–but I would like to know what you and others might think about it.
What could “irrefutable” proof mean? Considering that we KNOW from comments made by VSP there’s NO surveillance footage of Morgan inside or outside JPJ. Her friends have definitely said she was there as did Wayne Townsend but could you really consider that irrefutable proof?
I also know (from articles and VSP pc’s) that they have said she approached several doors trying to gain re-entry and possibly even approached the ticket counter. Knowing there’s no footage how can they be so confident that she actually did this? Is their irrefutable proof based on accounts given by security personnel standing at the door (or at the ticket counter)? Would LE actually consider an individual’s account as irrefutable proof?
All other accounts or sighting are usually prefaced with ‘a girl matching Morgan’s description’, this includes sighting outside but also inside the arena–i.e.Morgan was seen crying or she possibly fell and hit her chin and was bleeding.
You also mentioned checking on when and if her ticket was scanned upon entering the arena. First, wouldn’t you have to know which ticket Morgan used and wouldn’t that just tell us that yes, all(or some)tickets were used and scanned but it wouldn’t tell us WHO actually used the ticket.
If LE did check on the ticket— wouldn’t it tell us something like-ticket(s) were scanned at 7:08 at Gate 12—and LE could then pin point which surveillance video to hone in on? Yet somehow there’s NO footage of Morgan in or around the arena! She obviously has ninja like ability to be able to move around the arena without ever being seen on surveillance footage.
TIA
Peggy
I haven’t been posting as much, but I’m still checking in several times a day, hoping for resolve and justice for Morgan, but nope, NUTTIN’…
I keep going back to the weekend of her disappearance, and how everything seemed to evolve in slow motion. Morgan was gone for almost 24 hours before things started to be put into motion, and then LE acted like she left of her own volition for the next couple of days. Even we, as amateur sleuths, know that the first 48 hours are crucial in a missing person case, so the way in which this was handled has been off from the beginning. Couple that with the friends being all hush-hush for weeks about the car and who knows what else, it has led to all of us getting very frustrated and questioning everyone and everything. With the complete lack of info put out by LE, one does begin to wonder about some sort of cover-up. There have been so many weird things happening in that area, all involving local cops of some kind or other, then you have the house fire, which may or may not be case-closed, WHAT IS GOING ON?????
I’m also beginning to feel that the HH statement was false info either:
1)false witness testimony given to LE to put her off JPJ property
2)false info released to public by LE, for what reason I have no idea
I sense Morgan’s mom’s frustration more and more with each blog she writes, and it is heartbreaking to read her words. I sincerely hope for Gil, Dan, and Alex, that there is a POI in VSP’s radar, and that they can finally have some peace.
To Mom3.0, beautifully put regarding music and our right to listen as we choose, and, yes, I can see bright, shiny Morgan rocking out to all sorts of music up there…
The most bothersome thing to me is, if there are no suspects in this case, why have there been no warnings issued to women in the C-ville area, particularly UVa campus, of a dangerous predator? Since there have been no such warnings, you’d think LE knows who did this, and they are either incarcerated, dead, or being followed very closely. If I lived around there, I’d be checking over my shoulder all the time, expecting some creep to pounce on me at any time. I just don’t understand the complete silence by everyone, complete lack of video/picture evidence of Morgan on that night, the friends’ stories which kept changing as time went on. I was truly shocked when her remains were found, as was LE and no doubt the perp. I think that’s why I question Farmer Bass’ “happening” on the body, because everything went right for the BG that night, and everything went wrong for Morgan, and it seems like that’s the way the case progressed as well, so it was just unexpected when something went right in the search for justice for Morgan.
The posts on this site (and elsewhere—Gil’s blog, for instance) are an interesting barometer of the tensions with the apparent progress in this case. Hopefully much more is going on behind the scenes, but it’s times like these when it would be soooooo welcome for LE or someone to throw us another bone to gnaw on.
2.comso says:
March 29, 2010 at 3:03 pm
enough with the “teach our sons/men better” junk gang. “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus …” fix your security systems, hold your state institutions and organizations accountable, get your LE to disclose information, and teach your daughters how to use a gun, protect themselves, not go out at night by themselves, charge their phones and not leave friends outside venues by themselves. this isn’t a gender specific issue. men and boys are killed too and under just as terrible circumstances. it has been over 5 months and this case is getting cold… does anyone have any FACTS/EVIDENCE? do we know for a fact she was there? do we know for a fact she was in the arena? do we know for a fact she left the arena? do we know for a fact why she left the arena? do we know for a fact why she couldn’t get back in? do we know for a fact where they partied before the show? do we know for a fact who’s car Morgan was in? come on …
That is offensive.
B
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“Teaching our sons/men better” may not prevent every crime being committed, but it would drastically cut down on the numbers. I had the pleasure of listening to two very well spoken young ladies on the radio today, one who attends the University of Virginia and helps run the local chapter of Enlightening Women. They are helping to teach their peers to respect themselves and not allow men to disrespect them in this increasingly violent culture. (http://www.enlightenedwomen.org/)
If everyone with a son, from day one, taught them to respect women, we would not have so many assaults, rapes, abusive boyfriends/husbands, etc…
Yes, men and boys are victims of crime, but not in the same magnitude as women. I don’t understand how you can make such a flip statement, especially on BOC. Are you suggesting that Morgan should have been carrying a firearm? What are you suggesting?
is that a typo??
is “comso” actually “cosmo”??
i have asked this before, and i know it has been said that the Harrington’s once lived in C’ville(how old was Morgan when that was the case??)…BUT, does anyone know how well Morgan knew her way around C’ville?? were street names familiar to her? was it like ‘home’?? or was it like being in a strange town?? did she know her way around, but not familiar with street names per say?? did she know how to navigate to friend’s homes??
for comparison’s sake…i know my way around every major city in my home state, via freeway/freeway interchange, but drop me IN that city, in any given neighborhood, and I would seriously need GPS, or a gas station attendant…and it can be scary as well, depending on what side of town you are on…
i am just trying to get my head around Morgan “leaving” JPJ on foot…did she have a feel for the kind of people that she may have encountered in that town, or that ‘side’ of town, or was she knowingly on a wing and a prayer……and perhaps the better question: did she care??
it is offensive to men that people think that we need a new education system for generations of men in this country. teaching women how to better protect themselves is the SURE WAY to prevent / reduce / drastically cut down on the numbers. bad guys are bad guys and violence has been around since Jesus was nailed to the cross … THE SON OF GOD! of all people was a victim of human violence. crime has gone down. go look at your statistics. the violent crime rate has gone down by a third over the last 16 years in America. i am stating facts. i am suggesting that people stop focusing on what they cannot control and start focusing on what they can do. you can’t control someone else’s behavior. your govt can’t do it, your schools can’t do it, your police can’t do it and parents and peers can’t do it. you are responsible for you. it isn’t a flip statement…if everyone from day one, taught their daughters to understand the “buddy system”, to to view the world for what it is (survival of the fittest) with reality instead of what is on TV, to leave the man the first time he hurts you, to work hard and not let men do everything for them, then we would not have so many assaults, rapes, abused women/wives, etc. a crime is a crime is a crime, magnitude is subjective. i am not suggesting Morgan should have been carrying a firearm, but i wonder what the arena’s policy on that is? why shouldn’t she be carrying a firearm? if i had a daughter in Virginia right now, then yes, i would suggest she carry a firearm. IN NO WAY DO I BELIEVE WHATEVER HAPPENNED TO MORGAN IS HER FAULT! this case is SO cold.
“but it’s times like these when it would be soooooo welcome for LE or someone to throw us another bone to gnaw on.”
why? they haven’t given us anything to begin with that we didn’t already know …
As far as teaching our sons goes, I think that when a mother is loving and kind and nurturing to her babies, and the father treats the mother with respect and dignity, sons automatically grow up with a good attitude towards women. And daughters grow up with a good attitude about themselves.
i agree with you blink … it IS offensive.
i didn’t mean to offend anyone, but i was offended by this continual man bashing on BOC. i have seen it more than once. Teach your son, your grandson, your grandfather and your father… come on. why wouldn’t you just go the really easy route and TEACH THE WOMEN. the daughters, the mothers, the grandmothers, the granddaughters that we read about EVERYDAY who have been sensationalized in the media through murders and abductions and parking lot thefts and so on and so on. look at Caylee Anthony … she was murdered by her own MOTHER!
Excuse me, you need to reference the post you referring to, and if you had, you would note that is entirely inaccurate. I am now interested in your positive contribution here- What are your PROGRESSIVE thoughts for change outside of guns and locks?
B
Georgie, you said, “If I lived around there, I’d be checking over my shoulder all the time, expecting some creep to pounce on me at any time.”
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But you know what is killing me? I check in on friends there who lead that idyllic Charlottesville pedestrian lifestyle, some of whom are big-time runners, and guess what? They *have not* changed their habits. These are otherwise smart people, beyond that early 20s frontal-lobes-not-developed-yet stage.
It’s making me apesh*t and if the Harringtons’ own words are not causing the community to be vigilant, come on, LE, step in and let people know!
I would think better of LE if they would just come clean with us and say “Look, we remain optimistic but aren’t as far along as we’d like to be, and although we do not want you to avoid the outdoor activities of Spring, we cannot assure you that this person is not walking around our town today, so please be extra careful in everything you do: do not walk alone at night, be aware and stay off your phones/iPods, etc etc.”
49.Debbie Baxter says:
March 29, 2010 at 11:45 am
total amateur: Have you heard of Australia’s thoughts on the internet?
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Thanks Debbie, and no, I haven’t… but I will try to look it up tonight.
My idea of reform isn’t to “censor” artforms or people- but to better regulate who can see it up until the age of 18. Similar to movie ratings, and the newer TV ratings system. (Which I don’t think helps much, but it’s a start.) Music in recent years has begun to mark albums with a “Parental Advisory”, but it is totally unenforced. The internet, well… anything goes. You can find hardcore pornography and violent, gory subject matter in literally seconds- with absolutely NO identity or age verification.
Here is my early idea- and I’m going to try and keep this short. I don’t want to clog up Morgan’s thread with my own political ideas. But, the subject has been brought up by other posters, so here goes:
My idea is that there could be a system set up and mantained by the Federal Government. This system would would mandate that everyone apply for an “Internet Identity”. You would file an application online with your personal information (Full name, SS#, DOB, etc). This would be your “Internet License” for life. Not much different than a driver’s license. Every time you log onto the internet at any location- you’d sign in with your username and password to be able to access the internet. Every single website transmitted within the United States would have to apply for an “Internet Content Rating.” For instance… a Family Rating, PG-13, Adult, etc. The logging in of your Internet Identity would exclude you from looking at adult rated content if you were under 18. If you were to be convicted of a sex crime- your license would be revoked, or at least access could be limited. You would be allowed to have one account in any given instant messaging and social networking site. ONE. No more fake accounts, identity theft, or misrepresentation. No more predators in chat rooms, instant messengers, or social sites. This would put a serious thorn in the side of online predators and stalking. No one’s rights would be infringed. Let’s face it, if you’re creating a fake account, you are up to no good of some sort.
This idea is in it’s early stages, and I’m sure there are holes, I could also go further in-depth… but my post would be 8 pages long. Anyone feel free to criticize or add to my ideas. I welcome it.
It would be a huge project (and pain in the butt) in the beginning, but once it was up and running- I believe it would create incredibly positive reform of the internet. The internet is a wonderful, amazing tool when used properly. It is also extremely dangerous in it’s present format, IMHO.
Was it ever determined, or does anyone know if the SIM card was removed from the cell phone?
Her phone did not contain a SIM
B
In Memory of Gini says:
March 29, 2010 at 10:11 am
snip
For those not familiar with Southern Albemarle. Red Hill Road connects Rt 20 and Rt 29. When Red Hill Rd crosses 29, you can cross over 29 to get to the back end of AF.
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I noticed the proximity also. I kind of wonder if, during a chase like this, a person would head towards territory they are familiar/comfortable with.
There is a Google map of the chase route, hope this link works:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=100299995014726802072.0004801d7cebf01cda460&ct=docsearch&cd=2&cad=docsearch,cid:11975418414028608049
If the link doesn’t work, you can just go to google maps http://maps.google.com/maps?ct=reset and search for Colby Eppard pursuit and it will come up.
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered…Is VSP Randall Snead (involved in the Eppard case) related to Sarah Snead?
Peggy
I can not say that conclusively.
B
Everyone, There was just recently a link to an article over the disagreement of whether or not Morgan’s car was used by Morgan and her friends to go to the concert. Well – I can’t find it – again! However, I know I read another article like this from a link (that was probably an article before this, or so). It was stating the same AND that Morgan’s car stayed in Crozet!! They picked up someones boyfriend and left her car there. Does anyone remember this?? I’ve spent two nights with DELL getting my computer back online both times I tried in very unclever ways to find it. Anyone remember this? Was it a local on here that commented on this as well?
“enough with the “teach our sons/men better” junk gang….does anyone have any FACTS/EVIDENCE?” (comso, march 29, 3:03 pm)
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Oh dear, this is a job for Switzerland.
LOL
B
I am still here and wishing for justice for the Harrington family.
I have gone back to location, location, location…at least we know for sure where Miss Morgan was found. After reviewing the maps that TDBONE shared, it is just so darn obvious that whoever placed Miss M on Anchorage Farm was more than a little intimate with that location.
P.S. My husband asked me if I would like to have a small gun; my fear with this is that someone would take the gun from me and shoot me–I am not a very big woman and it would not take much to overpower me. I would prefer not to take my walks with a loaded gun in my pocket!
It is my sincere advice that nobody should pack heat, ever, at any time, that is not trained in it’s safety and use, proficciently. I say this as a woman who hits the range at least once every two weeks.
B
27.BeenThere says:
March 29, 2010 at 1:33 am
(((((BeenThere)))))
Don’t underestimate your contributions. I KNOW you have eloquence. I believe the character of a person is revealed in their compliments and their criticisms of others.
Morgan rocks classically. You rock eloquently. Both timeless as ‘fast cars and freedom’ (lyrics in a Rascall Flatts song. Hmmmm….it seems to come back to the music, doesn’t it? xo)
~*~love and light~*~
I had not previously read of the Eppard situation myself. My hackles are raised. I see a report by officers so clearly infused with “cover thy ass” as if we are all morons. First, I doubt very much that the Green Sheriff actually locked his car. Second, the supposed video within the stolen cruiser taping Eppard exiting the vehicle and going into the trunk….. Third, the shots and apparent blood on the drivers seat….after that the kid came out of that vehicle commando style? HMMNN.
I don’t feel comfortable at all with what has been publicly stated about the truth of this matter. I am all ears in learning this is an ongoing investigation……
Sheriff Morris’s suicide happened 2 days after this incident.
Does anyone know if the following man may have been a relative of the Sheriff?
“A Stanardsville man has been arrested on 10 counts of possession of child pornography, according to Chief Deputy Major Randall Snead of the Greene County Sheriff’s Office.
According to the news release Snead issued last week, Trenton Ray Morris, 26, of 248 Commonwealth Drive, was arrested Thursday, Oct. 2.”
http://www2.greene-news.com/gcn/news/local/article/stanardsville_man_arrested_on_child_pornography_charges/46950/
I do not want to place a bad light on the deceased Sheriff, I am just feeling a bit uneasy about all of the happenings in that area. Something is not right. I can’t find a normal obituary of the Sheriff. I can find the Church of Brethren held his funeral, but no real obit.
Oops, sorry, Sheriff committed suicide 27 days later…., not 2
“It is my sincere advice that nobody should pack heat, ever, at any time, that is not trained in it’s safety and use, proficciently. I say this as a woman who hits the range at least once every two weeks.
B”
…..and don’t forget to practice reload in the dark….Second Amendment Sista!
Lol, I would have no need for reload-
B
it is really tough. point and shoot. even Texans can figure it out. if your aim sucks, then go to Walmart and get a shotgun (for home use of course).
Seriously? Whatcha got in your arsenal? I want to alert your neighbors.
B
I’m reading a lot about all of the coincidences and shady activity that went on in close proximity to this case. My own opinion is that most of the coincidences are just that. I read an outstanding book called “What Cops Know” and one of the themes of the book is that there is a lot of shady activity everywhere that you will begin to notice if you train yourself to be more observant. What I take from that is that when we (and by “we” I mean novices, not professionals or experts) closely analyze everything that went on around the time of this case, we’re naturally going to be surprised by all of the strange occurrences we uncover, most of which would have taken place even if Ms. Harrington hadn’t been killed. I’m not suggesting that we should necessarily eliminate any possibilities but I’ll bet that this case turns out to have a fairly simple answer. My instincts are leading me to believe that there is a drug connection (whether she was drugged or was seeking drugs) and a culprit who is either currently in jail or dead. At this point, I think that LE knows the story but lacks key elements of proof.
Oh I love Fast Cars and Freedom – I’m listening – just popped the CD in.
Like I said those that state Morgan was HH, still have to state it under oath, in a courtroom, before the eyes and ears of a jury. They better be sure of their stories. I’m not and never did believe the HH. Sarah snead doesn’t mean HH when she says “we wouldn’t have done it” because HH in 2009? Blink, is this what you mean when you say “shitty” friends? Or just in general because they had her car and didn’t come out to help or be there with her? Just wanted it cleared up. I know they couldn’t have acted with malice because they would have needed to think ahead of the situation. Not sure they were capable of anything that night.
Sorta leads to this.
But sorta not.
There could be a big drug ring, like Sky and friend, states. Sure there is. Look at the behavior of some of these people. But I’m thinking that there is an even bigger family ring! Cross-referencing all the names that have been thrown out here, all the dates, who know who, and of course, location, location, location (which now I’ll call LLL), Charlotteville, Va, USofA, just became a very small town. I hope that they do not embrace that small town feel with a small-town mind! I think that the folks of North Garden are afraid to say anything. I know that they do not want this scurge around but is anybody doing anything like privately talking to LE or are they just closing their curtains?
As I sit my fanny here in paradise and read those excruciatingly, painful words of a grieving mother and not the words of a summerbeach read, I can’t help but to think of my own Mom, she never recovered! Died wanting her back but at least they are together. Well anyway,I can’t think about all that right now.
I just keep thinking that the “who” Morgan got into that vehicle with is who killed her. Now the HH but nobody sees it because they blinked!?!
Ps sorry blink, no disrespect.
Family ring. Some good, some bad, some really bad!
Well I guess you can’t be walking in the opposite direction with 4 BiB and HH’ing at the same time, can you?
B
Blink-
At what point was her car examined for any evidence?
If the confusion about whether or not her car was actually there that night wasn’t sussed out until after Oct 28- then it was at least 11 days after she disappeared that LE finally got around to looking at her car….is that right?
Peggy
There was never any ambiguity with LE as far as where the car was, at any time. There is legions of misinformation and subjective reporting in the press, unfortunately.
Le is not confirming when Morgan’s car was searched, but it definitely was.
B
@ doug March 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm
There could also be other evidence suggesting that she was raped – tights and boots missing for instance.
Respectfully, that in and of itself, is not evidence of rape. Pardon my *anal* ness of physical evidence classifications but there could be 100 reasons for missing tights and boots that could never be tied to a sexual assault.
I am simply hoping to impart the idea that jumping to conclusions, and reading evidentiary clues is just that- it is part and parcel of what LE is facing. They know alot. Building the case to prove it, is a challenge in this case.
I believe strongly our poor Morgan was subjected to unthinkable horror, and I want these freaks arrested yesterday.
I am planning an extra special expose’ on the person(s) that has helped them so far, so if your reading this, you may wish to realize your entire community is going to know exactly what the depraved spawn you brought into this world is capable of.
You think a 3 month headstart is any match for us?
TO J2K: You said: “We Word Nerds, we have a Code – “Don’t Mess with our alone-time…and Beware of chattering around us while we sit engrossed in delicious arrays of prose. (But do pass the Goblet!)”
Here-here! (Don’t start me now on people who interrupt my precious “quiet time”…:-)))
And “Wishing you wonderful travels, my friend. One last *clink* for the road…”
Thanks, J2K, awa, fish, chad, et. al. on the well wishes (my trip can’t get here soon enough) and a *clink* backatcha! I promise to bend an elbow or two, fruity drink in hand sporting a paper umbrella, in honor of you and the rest of my BOC comrades.
And speaking of which: nothing–I repeat, nothing–would please me more (correction: make me any more ecstatic) than to come home to news that Morgan’s murderer has been arrested and is facing multiple charges, inc. capital murder. To that end, B: If that does come to pass before 4/18, please send an email to me, as I will check email first upon my return to the States (as opposed to scrolling through volumes of BOC posts that I’ll have to later digest). TIA–I hope!!
TO mom3.0: Please know that I do not advocate censorship as a/the vehicle to end violence against women. [Awareness, absolutely; censorship, no.] To my mind, the genesis of later violence, abuse, and misogyny most often goes back to the home; that is, what children and young boys see and witness at home as they grow up to be young men. How they see their fathers treat their mothers…and how their mothers passively accept (or don’t) any kind of abuse, violence, or mistreatment…or command or demand respect…and respond accordingly to both…these are to me some of the–if not “the”–most important messages we send to our children. It is these messages that imprint upon children for life, and in many instances will dictate how they will live their lives as adults.
What they see as young children becomes their “normal”–even if horrific and abusive and grossly abnormal or dysfunctional by any other rational standards. Abuse, violence, and misogyny in the home begets abuse, violence, and misogyny in later life. Not always, but statistics on abuse certainly substantiate that assertion.
And on that note (with a shout-out to mosaic: I’m O, and I’m no Switzerland:-)))…
TO comso[sic]: You stated “enough with the “teach our sons/men better” junk gang.”
With all due respect and decorum, cosmo: teaching our sons and men to behave respectfully…to avoid violence…that misogyny is wrong…is not “junk”.
It is far and away not “junk”.
Rather, it is placing focus on the underlying issue: men behaving badly…very, very, very badly. Murderously badly. Horrifically, psychotically badly.
To suggest that the answer to this age-old problem lies simply in “…fix your security systems, hold your state institutions and organizations accountable, get your LE to disclose information, and teach your daughters how to use a gun, protect themselves, not go out at night by themselves, charge their phones and not leave friends outside venues by themselves…” is, in a word, folly. It does not address the root of the problem; that is, why men perpetrate violence against women.
Violence against women is a complicated issue with many moving parts…an equation comprised of several factors, none of which has a solution as seemingly easy as purchasing a gun, walking only in pairs at night, and charging your cell phone. [One might only wish it were that easy.]
What I’d respectfully suggest is that you consider volunteering at your local domestic violence shelter. Talk with the women there, the scared moms with their children huddled close around them. Educate yourself about what is referred to as “The Cycle of Violence”. Hopefully this will provide for you some helpful perspective to better understand the syndrome of domestic violence.
And then support these women as they struggle to learn that, even if the only thing they ever saw growing up was violence, there is a better way to live…that they deserve better…that they deserve to be treated well and kindly…that they do not have to live the life their mothers did. Most importantly, support them as they sent the most powerful message to their own children when they took that first step and entered a shelter to make themselves and their children safe at last.
And then please come talk to me after about what is “junk” and what is not.
[after erasing diatribe about nurturing and education vs solely practicing self-defense]
High road, everyone, high road …
It is an important point Acho, I agree
B
I can only imagine a scenario with an arena full of drunk fools all packing heat. Or maybe they’d all just shoot eachother up in the parking lot.
I’m not against gun ownership at all, but how far do we let it go?
Absolutely, there is a reason for gun control.
B
I mentioned confusion b/c apparently Dr Harrington was confused about his daughters car being at the concert–right? And If I understand his comments correctly he had possession of her car(Amy brought it back to the Harrington home)…meaning LE didn’t seemed to concerned about looking at the car for any clues, fingerprints or whatnot until almost two weeks(at least) after she disappeared despite the fact it was there that night.
My comment from 3:33 is still awaiting conformation-
In that comment I ask about an earlier comment you made re: the car and Mr Harrington- You said that Dr Harrington was told by one of her friends that Morgan’s car was not at the concert that night– I asked which friend made that comment.
Peggy
Peggy, can you kindly do me a favor? If you are going to quote my comment, I would ask you link or cut and past it as same, specifically I have never stated that Dr. Harrington was lied to, because he was not.
It was an assumption on his part, which he addressed and was cleared up.
There was never any mal intent regarding Morgan’s car.
Thanks In advance -
B
i think our dear blink has just tossed us the proverbial bone…
” Well I guess you can’t be walking in the opposite direction with 4 BiB and HH’ing at the same time, can you?
B “
I agree that teaching our sons / men better will not solve the violence problem. I do believe it is a good beginning. We also need to teach our daughters.
As a paraprofessional I have had the job and privilege of watching children grow and interact. I have helped many children over the years learn good problem solving skills. I have taught children that they need to interact positively with other children at all times.
I have helped resolve conflicts at recess and between friends.I have helped the quiet, shy child learn to speak up and learn to befriend others. I have helped the overbearing pushy kid become more relaxed and more aware of others needs and given him the help to use words to advocate for himself instead using force or forceful words. I have helped the class clown understand that although he is funny there is a time and place for jokes and they need not always make a joke of everything in order to be liked.
I have helped the outcaste learn that he is no different than any other kid, although the differences are there they need not be an issue, and they are only as big as you make them. I have helped the other kids learn that ostracizing a classmate is mean and hurts their classmates feelings. I have helped them remember a time when they felt like they were ostracized. In other words I taught them by making them understand what it must feel like to walk in another’s shoes.
As a paraprofessional, I never put myself in the middle, or forced a child to be friends with another. I talked with each child, and used their own experiences as a teaching device and a building block to teach them that violence is never the answer. That they must learn to advocate for their own needs/feelings and be mindful that others have feelings and needs too. I have taught them that you can never make someone like you, but you can like yourself enough to not let them rule your thoughts and feelings. It is ok to forget about them and find a different friend, although you may feel hurt. I am not so naive as to think that each of the children I taught never grew to have an issue- but I planted a seed and if others their teachers/ parents ect continue to foster the seed it has a better chance of survival.
As a parent, I have worked hard to make sure that my children have manners, and that they are respectful and kind to everyone. Even those that they do not like or do not like them. At teacher parent conferences I was very mindful of their conduct and participation grades. These grades and what the teachers comments are regarding these grades are all parents inside look into how their children are behaving and interacting with others. If I could give one piece of advice as a person who was in education and as a parent, I would tell all parents to watch these grades and listen to any concerns the teacher may have.
Although I agree that teaching boys and girls to have respect for themselves and others, and teaching them violence is never the answer does not solve the problem altogether. But in my experience, if we could all help those children realize that there are other ways to deal with problems and teach them that their first response shouldn’t be one of force or hate, than we have made a huge difference in the life of that child, and in the lives of all those that come into the life of that child.
Carrying a gun shouldn’t be our first response to the fear of rape, although as Blink stated if you are trained and feel comfortable it is an option, so is learning self defense and learning the Gift of Fear. I agree we must hold our state institutions and organizations accountable, but inorder to get the best out of these institutions we need to be open to funding them. I agree we need to get LE to disclose information. But how will that end violence?
I don’t think teaching my daughter to use a gun will protect her- although if she wants to learn I will support her decision. I agree both women and men need to learn how to protect themselves. It is best if everyone always uses the buddy system. And I agree men and women should always have a good working phone. But all these things will not ensure there safety. A bad guy can always take the gun away or have one of his own. A BG can always take your cellphone or incapacitate you. A security system can be broken or the BG can wait until you come out of your house.
No one thing is going to protect our sons and daughters; no one thing is the answer to ending violence. But I do believe it starts with teaching our children at a young age and through out- good problem solving skills, respect, advocacy and above all teaching them violence begets violence.
Mom 3.o, you are so the Yoda, here. But in a non-small or green way.
But in a luminated, and beatyious flat-screen way. You are gifted in your abilities for progression and tolerance.
At the risk of sounding simple, The strongest weapon, which has literally saved my life, I have ever employed, is listening to my voice. My intuition, my satellites, whatever your fave catch phrase-
I embrace the gift of my fear, and pay it forward. I am not speaking of the book per se, I am speaking of the personal code of safety one needs to develop for oneself.
B
Observer, no worries- I wasn’t addressing you or anyone specifically with my posts- i’m sorry if it seemed that way-
I agree with you ending violence begins begins with the children- I just used the groups in your excerpt -as a jumping off point- Nirvana in particular Because- I think everyone should research everything. And know the back stories.
I believe every parent should listen to the music that their children are listening inorder to help your children make positive choices. I believe as a parent, it is my job to make informed decisions about my children’s lives- music- books internet- friends- ect.
Being a parent of teen-agers is the hardest job I have ever had.
I am glad to hear you are not for Censorship. I think you said it best in your last comment AWARENESS is the answer or at least the key.
Censorship vs Awareness
Censorship is not the answer to stopping a pedophile or violence but, awareness is the first step- if you are worried that you can not watch over your child’s shoulder every minute- then you are correct you can’t, but you can’t control them once they walk out that door in the morning either. Awareness-So teach them to be mindful of their surroundings. Teach them that it is ok to say no to a stranger and that an adult shouldn’t want to befriend a child- watch The Lovely Bones, so you will know what I refer to.
If you are worried about who is on social networking sites befriend your child and monitor them. Awareness-
Block the people and report them if necessary. Warn your children about the dangers of posting pictures and prevent them from uploading them. Do not allow your children to give out personal details on the internet and warn them not to tweet their every move.
Awareness-If you find out they are not following your rules, then help them protect themselves by deleting their pages and putting a password on your computer or get rid of their internet. If you are worried they will get on at a friends, then talk to that friends parents or do not allow them to go.
Awareness-It is our job as parents to teach and protect our children. No one ever told us it was going to be an easy job. I wish someone told me just how hard it would be, and that it only gets harder as they get older.
Thanks again Observer- Awareness yeah- I like that…
Acho,
Re: your post
March 29, 2010 at 1:23 pm
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Like he felt it was the most important place to be in this high time of stress?
The Truth about Self Protection, by Massad Ayoob.
Very good book.
I shall check it out, ty.
B
I wish they would borrow or hire those two dogs from California who sniffed out in August to the Indian reservation where the 14 year old girl’s body was found. I can’t think of her name. Anyhow they went 20 miles in a car. they would stop and pick up the scent until they got to the Indian reservation. It was amazing. They turned it over to the police, but they did not act on it, I guess. The body was was just two miles away.
Option A: He acts before he thinks.
Option B: He thinks before he acts.
Which one would a hunter need to 1, bag a bear with just a bow and arrow and 2, bag a trophy deer(whateva that is) with whateva weapon of choice?
I’m only asking because I do not know. Blink, maybe ur hunter, better-half can explain, my better-half is clueless as he’s nevr huntin’ a day in his life! But he does say one does not get to choose the on and off, a brain injury is just that. You can hav reprieve but he thinks that lying-in-wait, takes patience and then with a quick burst of adreline that surges aftr a kill, he would think that is the time, option B would be harder. Thinking and waiting, then acting?
Bettr-half wants to know, if as hunters go, doesn’t one have to have a good deal of patience to bag that bear?
Also, why 20 mile out of ur county? Can someone with LE experience tell me if this is normal protocol???
Sorry if this is O\T but it was our discussion tonite.
Even though we are so far from home, our thoughts and prayers are still with the Harrington Family and if I let my kids mail every pretty stone they find on the beach, Observer might be a slight bit tickd off. So I made them pick a beautiful one. I’ll mail from here so that Morgan knows that she is never alone and without FRIENDS!
Let me say this, I would be VERY concerned if LE was pointing the finger at Colby.
From my research, although this man had some serious issues.
I could not find a single incident, where he was violent toward women. Nada.
I support LE in their pursuit of him, to the extent they never attempted to negotiate with him for a peaceful conclusion; I respectfully disagree with how this was handled and I think the report from the Commonwealth will literally send Ms.Lunford packing, I am unaware of a jurisdiction that does not require sworn statements from their officers in a death investigation involving 14 different onscene law enforcement.
That’s as far as I am going to comment on Mr. Eppard for now.
B
Blink there is nothing simple about you. Thank you for your words, they mean alot. I knew you could take care of yourself being a BA vixen- but please remind me to never cross you- you are packing and you have been trained-LOL
Good for you -especially in learning to listen to your intuition, I am still working on always listening to mine- But I credit you and BOC for giving me the knowledge to know that I am equipped with that little voice and with the Gift of Fear and need only to tune in… Thank you