Beauty and The Beast: The Predictable Murder of Yeardley Love By George Huguely
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Charlottesville, VA- At approximately 9 PM the evening of May 2nd, George Huguely, V left a golf outing he drank at all day, visibly intoxicated according to fellow attendees. It was the beginning of the end of a rancorous binge drinking track record for the prodigal son of George and Marta (Sanson Murphy) Huguely.
It was the gruesome end for star athlete Yeardley Reynolds Love.
Yeardley said ITS OVER to the heir of Huguely’s family’s century old lumber business and spent the last weeks of her life in fear George would make good on his threats.
Sources inside the circle of Love and her family have stated that the most recent threats and public observation of the couple occurred at Huguely’s former frat, Delta Kappa Epsilon.
Following this incident, Yeardley left campus and stayed at her Cockeysville home where her Mother, Sharon Donnelly Love, begged her to file a police report.
Yeardley refused as she did not want it to interrupt the last weeks of both teams winning seasons. She believed because the last scene was so public Huguely would have no choice but to back off for fear of compromising his status on the UVA mens team.
For anyone unsure about the locker room brethren, as reported by NY Daily News:
A former Virginia student who was friends with both Love and Huguely described a disturbing incident in which Huguely recently reportedly attacked Love, then had no recollection of it the next day, which precipitated their final breakup. “He was really messed up and punched a window of a car on the way over to her apartment that night,” the friend said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of consideration for Love’s family. The friend said Huguely had been seen breaking bottles at another party before Love’s death and had told people he was going to her apartment to get Love back.
D K E
While Huguely is not listed as an active brother on DKE roster, this Falls newsletter touts an impressive Rush week which rounds out the Dekes with 14 Varsity Athletes; 12 of them from the men’s Lacrosse team. The DKE roster has not been updated to reflect active brothers since 2008 and an email request to alumni affairs director Ian Graham has not been returned. The DKE facebook account has been deleted.
By all accounts, in retrospect, Yeardley’s murder was a predictable incident. Preventable.
Not inasmuch as it could have been foreseen per se, but Generation George was a time bomb.
Incidents abound from his days in Palm Beach where he jumped ship after an argument with Generation G4 whereby he swam to shore as well as his arrest for drunken swearing and THREATENING TO KILL A COP WITH A SIDE OF RACIAL SLUR in November 2008.
There are 8 UVA Men’s Lacrosse members that have had alcohol related arrests in the last two years.
Nationally ranked 2008 Team Captain Will Barrow stunned the entire lacrosse community when he committed suicide two weeks after Huguely’s Rockbridge County arrest.
Ryan Nizolek, #24, was arrested in High School for smuggling steroids into the US from Mexico on a family vacation and brought them to school in a Rolaids bottle.
As the news broke of Yeardley’s murder I have been inundated with emails and texts from several UVA students and their family members that have been admonished not to speak publicly, not to accept new facebook friends and not to answer any questions from the media on or off campus.
The paradox of telling the grieving and concerned matriculation to effectively zip it, after doing just that may have cost Yeardley Love her life, is absurd.
A witness who observed the last physical confrontation between Love and Huguely email excerpt to blinkoncrime.com provided on the condition of anonymity:
…”You have to understand.. He is a big dude with a bigger personality. If anyone has ever told him no, I am not aware of it. It was obvious she did not want him near her. She told him that, and it took 3 of us to hold him back. She was a little thing and she put on a good face, but I walked away feeling like that was not over. I said to lax(xx) that asshole is going to get himself killed or kill somebody. He was nicer on the turf for f*cks sake, I didn’t get it…..”
We are all obsessed about our last year in the game. Everyone parties like rock stars because half of us have more money than rock stars. Well, our parents do.
That is bullshit about him not being a Deke, btw. He beat up a fellow brother in his sleep drunk off his ass one night because he was sleeping on the couch he wanted to sit on, or go to bed on or whatever- He was booted and his friends wanted to stay. That pissed him off royally. His Dad partied with us once in a while. I remember wishing he was my Dad, and then I saw those two go at it. I would still have been cool with a Dad that is that loaded, but not if it meant Huge was my bro.
It wasn’t so much that he was raging all the time. It was weird. It was more like he was 2 diff people. You know what I mean? Like a mood swing on crack. DON’T publish I said he was on crack. Roids for sure and there was mention of an 8 the day of the murder. It was almost like he felt like he was insulted when he was around better players than him. He loved the sport but he had no respect for anyone if they were better in the X.
Do I think anyone intervening could have stopped a murder? I am not sure if that is a fair question or a set up.
My Mom asked me the same thing. I told her I did not get it. There is tons of Hoo Pumpers everywhere, especially this season. I never saw him without some chick, so I don’t get that part. He was a big clamper I heard though, if he didn’t have something cookin. It was not like he could not **** anyone he wanted. He was always like .. Give and Go Bro, everytime I saw him and I had a date. Tell me if you don’t know the lingo but I think you might. I heard ya got skills.
Lol, I am aware that only happens in college before you say something lecture-like.
I really wish I knew that nobody knew what was going on with him. We woulda pulled that scared straight shit on him. Like his version, shop at target instead of Abercrombie for the rest of his life no beach houses. That mighta been harsh of me to say before now. We just hate what he did to his girl, and our last year. I worked my ass off, we all did, and it should have been our thing to remember. Instead, it is fu***** lockdown.
I have reviewed UVA Athletic Director Craig Littlepage quotes on the matter.
Frankly, as an editorial, that verbiage would not have flown from any coach I have ever had, or respected, regardless of the sport.
“They never told me, nothing was reported to me” is the equivalent of ignorance of the law, which is no defense.
How do 8 arrests and a suicide, among other “not so documentable” infractions NOT constitute a red flag, or an intervention?
Safety does not come with a price tag. It comes from accountability and awareness. Huguely posted bond following his arrest on November 15, 2008.
Somebody had to know he was incarcerated. He had a public defender in that case so the question is– Who posted it and how was the fact he was off campus for a few days prior to the Thanksgiving break missed by his coaches?
At the time of this writing, the Virginia Commonwealth has issued an order sealing the search warrants in this case retroactively.
While the justification of that request by Charlottesville Police has not been released, it is an unusual move in a case that has not even seen its first bond hearing or an indictment.
Could it mean that Huguely is connected to the murder of Morgan Harrington?
Virginia State Police, who maintains jurisdiction in the Harrington case is emphatic it is not.
..”It was a Lacrosse player who discovered the purse. However, there is no evidence to indicate any connection between Morgan or the Love homicide. .. There is no connection between these two homicides, so I am not going to even entertain the additional questions. We are not identifying the individual who found the purse…” Corrine Geller, PR Manager VSP to blinkoncrime.com
Morgan’s purse was located by an unidentified male lacrosse player on the way to boarding the bus to an exhibition match in Annapolis, MD.
We have a player accused of first degree murder that by his own statements has had violent encounters with others he has not remembered.
We have players with land connections to the area of North Garden as well an individual who has personally preformed site survey work on Blandemar and Anchorage Farm.
Have all the Lacrosse players been questioned about the circumstances of finding the posession of a missing and murdered woman who was last seen on the UVA campus?
The cases may be may be unrelated.
The Harrington’s buried their daughter Morgan.
The Love family is burying their daughter Yeardley.
Isn’t it time for a little disclosure as to whether or not these lingering questions have been asked and answered?
Yeardley Love, will receive her Bachelor’s Degree in Political Science with a minor in Spanish posthumously with her class from the University of Virginia.
Love’s family and friends begin receiving those wishing to pay their respects today where she will also be laid to rest tomorrow, in Maryland.
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I know this is rude, but….Why are the worried about GH’s safety??? Who was worried about Yeardley’s safety? Who preotected her from him? No one. So, we should we be protecting him?
I don’t want him to take the cowards way out. I want him to be punished for what he did.
B
Does anyone know if there is somewhere we can write to express concerns about what LE is doing to protect women from Morgan’s uncaught killer (if not GH) AND what UVA (and all colleges) are doing to stop another GH from being allowed to get away with what he was allowed to get away with ending in Yeardley’s death and what colleges are doing to protect women who live in campus from domestic violence.
I just want to scream at LE to wake up – we have a problem here!
DMB says:
May 11, 2010 at 3:51 pm
So far I’ve been able to come up with 4 players that were not at the scrimmage vs. Navy.
Nizolek, Clements, Thompson and Bratton were not there according to this article.
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=204817509
I thought the coach’s comment about Bratton missing it were a little odd. Blink do you know for sure how many players were not there on 10/18?
From the article “Nizolek, Clements and Thompson are recovering from injuries. Bratton’s issue?
“Little bit of a sore hamstring, little bit of a sore subject,” said Starsia, who didn’t elaborate. “Just held him out to get his attention on some things.”
Another interesting quote, “Final scores from these games aren’t announced, as anyone who’s attended a UVa scrimmage at the U-Hall Turf Field knows. But the Wahoos, after a slow start attributable in part, perhaps, to sluggishness from their morning bus ride to Annapolis, played the Midshipmen about even.”
Maybe the players were tired from the party the night before.
This article say 5 players were missing. However, it does not state all the players names.
http://www.laxmagazine.com/college_men/DI/2009-10/news/101809_navy_fall_ball
Blink (or anyone that knows)
Would all team mates be expected at the scrimmage, even if they were not playing? Are they required to travel with the team?
DMB-
I just wish to point out that NO ARTICLE states if a player WAS NOT in attendance.
It simply specifies IR.
B
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I’m sorry B! I was in a hurry yesterday afternoon while I was trying to post. I re-read the articles about who was playing and who was not. I should not have stated that they were not there. Were any players not in attendance? Would players that were not playing be at the scrimmage?
Does anyone know if UVA has a LAX house? Not specifically a frat. I know that they have Rugby, LAX etc. houses at Uconn and was curious if there was anything similar at UVA.
That’s ok, DMB, honest mistake-
I just caution everyone to be clear, their is no published attendance verification or exclusion for those listed as IR or other.
B
Blink– Cat’s question (May 12 @ 9:12am) is merging the two reports that have been floating about regarding the finding and turning-in of Morgan’s purse the morning of the 18th. I think there were initial reports or rumors that the purse was found by a jogger. And now discussion that the purse was actually found by a lacrosse player. I think Cat is wondering if the lacrosse player(s) found the purse while jogging….
Got it, If anyone has a source link to the jogger finding it, I would appreciate it.
To my knowledge, I recall reading it was a property manager.
B
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Chad
Amen to your post – keep up the good work.
Actually, I take umbrage to Gil’s “particularly at UVA” comment. UVA had one terrible event with GH. I don’t believe that is indicative of a reign of indifference or complacency towards violence at all. I suspect UVA has less incidents of student violence than many other schools.If you have 20,000 young adults together, there will be some crime and some violence. This isn’t clockwork orange — there is no brain manipulation that will prevent that.
Redly, with all due respect, Morgan Harrington, Gil’s daughter, went missing from that campus and her killer (s) have not been caught yet.
I understand that allegiances are high, and I respect that, but it is what it is.
As has been proven right here, George Huguely had multiple instances of violence, resulting in a woman’s death, which players AND coaches were aware of. You read the piece right?
If you invite a vampire in, this is what happens.
FWIW, I will bang this drum at any school this occurs at.
B
I am not sure I have ever seen that reference about the LAX players jogging? Can you source please?
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There is no reference specificlly stating that the LAX players were jogging, but I have read, on several occasions, that the purse was found by “jogger(s)”, prior to the information about the LAX players locating the purse. Are we now to believe that this original information is completely inaccurate?
I would say that account is then, yes Cat.
B
Rephrasing what Judi (May 12 @ 9:21am) wrote: what [are] colleges doing to protect women who live in campus from domestic violence?
This is a good question. I’ve been out of college for four years now, but remember one girl friend, in particular, who continually dated abusive men. We all knew it and we all told her she shouldn’t put up with behavior like that, but ultimately our words had no power to change her patterns of thinking and/or behavior. And, as far as we knew, that was the extent of our options– try to offer support and/or encouragement to leave these guys, but not press too hard for fear of losing her as a friend and/or leaving her completely alone, with no support whatsoever.
Perhaps as part of freshman or new-student orientation at colleges across the country, there need to be mandatory programs on topics such as this. Perhaps schools should create a mandatory “first-year” seminar (for freshman and transfer students) in which topics such as alcohol, drugs, discrimination, domestic violence, sexual harassment, mental health, and any other topic I’m forgetting are addressed. It would be nice to see these problems defined (so that students actually know when something is definitely off, as opposed to being uncertain and hesitant to rock the boat), and to have solutions presented. By solutions, I’m referring to the resources available to individuals who are seeking help for themselves, of their own accord, as well as for people who are concerned for the welfare of a friend. Perhaps a seminar such as this could also include instruction on CPR in the sense that it gives the students a skill to help others, which could come in handy off-campus and throughout the rest of their lives.
I also think that mandatory community service– whether the community be defined as the college campus itself or the surrounding area– might help fight indifference or a lack of confidence in being proactive. It would help students feel part of a larger entity outside of themselves and their social circles. It would hopefully instill a desire (or at least a level of comfort) in students to become involved the lives of those around them. And hopefully it would make students willing and able to be proactive in identifying the need for help, and in coordinating the receipt of support services, even if that is only by reporting what they know to an individual qualified to deal with it.
I really do think that a huge part of college for me, and for anyone, was/is to mature as an individual and explore your newfound identity as an adult. That doesn’t just happen through academic courses, clubs, sports, and partying– though all of those things do present learning opportunities for those of us smart enough or lucky enough to identify and learn from our mistakes. I think that colleges should be more concerned with creating functional, contributing members of society– in addition to educated members of society– than they currently seem to be.
Thanks, all, for your kind words — I’ve missed you, too —
B, I’m not asking you to post — yet — but can any of your local sources confirm Huguley’s whereabouts after 8 PM on the 17th — ie, was he in Md. at home, or did he stay in Cvlle and ride the team bus up ?
If he definitely was not in Cvlle on the 17th, then we can all stop any research, etc., as to his connection to morgan’s death — if he WAS in Cvlle on the 17th and ‘if’ there was a team meeting at U-hall, it seems it would be breaking about the time Morgan was in the various parking lots –
I just can’t shake the awful feeling Yeardley and Morgan’s deaths are connected — every single one of us has at least thought it of Morgan’s killer — he’s killed once, the second time will be easier — especially if he’s gotten off scott free the first time —
I mean, seriously — again “if” — Huguley is Morgan’s killer — was he ever on VSP’s radar as a POI — probably not
If Huguley did not kill Morgan, the citizens not just of Cvlle, but all visitors to that area, have a right to know —
Oh – -PS — the location of the alleged party on the 17th — If it’s not the frat house, somewhere in Blandemar ? I don’t believe AF was targeted as the dumping grounds for Morgan (sorry) — I think whomever placed her there was aware that that property was landlocked and may have noticed no activity in the field if they had been out to Blandemar previously and simply threw her over their shoulder and walked up to the fence line — hopped over the fence — and deposited her in the tree line and booked — if you’re young and healthy you can be in and out in under 20 mins. — middle of the night — 20 acres separating the houses out there — people asleep —
just sayin’ ….
Every team member is required to take the bus, he was in Cville.
I heart you, but I strongly disagree that AF was happenstance. Imo, the problem everyone is having is they are assuming who murdered her and who placed her at AF have to be the same person.
We have 2 different profiles competing with each other, and imo, that is the conflict.
B
Dear Blink,
Where was the party GH went to the night of October 17, 2009?
What ties does he have to Anchorage Farm or Blandemar?
Do you think he had anything to do with Morgan’s death?
To: BlackPearl says: May 12, 2010 at 10:26 am: That is a great post! I wish all college campuses would take your advice and offer these opportunities.
Blink, In regard to your response to Sky–So, we have to not only separate fact from fiction, we have to separate fact from fact? If, as you suggest, the confusion is caused by two different profiles, we are in a sense, dealing with TWO distinct crimes (obviously we can’t forget cause and effect.) How do we/you separate the two and find the missing link?
Do you think it is a matter of a parent or older adult protecting a younger person, or is it “mob loyalty mentality” protecting mob. We know roots run DEEP in this community. Who would risk everything to protect his or her child? Who would have nothing to lose by protecting a murderer?
Cat, we were never officially told it was a jogger, as far as I can tell. I swear I’ve read multiple variations of the purse finder including watchman/security guard, grounds keeper, jogger, walkers, dog walker, and passerby—but I don’t think any of those were in ‘official’ statements—nor would those necessarily exclude lacrosse players (except for watchman/security guard or groundskeeper)
B said, “Imo, the problem everyone is having is they are assuming who murdered her and who placed her at AF have to be the same person.
We have 2 different profiles competing with each other, and imo, that is the conflict.
B ”
I totally agree that there are at least two different profiles and that the party(ies) who killed Morgan are of a different character than whomever placed her at AF. I would further venture to guess there is even a third profile, that of the party who scattered the shirt and perhaps other evidence about (if accounts of other articles are accurate). Who smooths a shirt over a bush? A female. A guy would toss it on the bush.
I completely agree.
B
From the VSP 10/28/09 press release on the official Morgan Harrington Timeline:
Her purse and cell phone were found by a passerby Sunday morning (Oct. 18) in the grassy, overflow parking lot next to Lannigan Field. Both were turned in to University Police. The purse is black and is the kind that can be worn as a backpack.
Has the 4 BIB’s been identified by LE?
Has the 3 men the newspaper lady seen on the Lawn at 3 AM been identified?
Where is the Lawn in relation to where GH lived?
Re: #10 above, which brings us back to someone with a profile similar to G.H.
Alexandra, On Oct. 17, 2009 UVA beat Maryland in football so I am assuming there had to be many a party on fraternity row and off campus that took place.
I have it, and is it ok with you if we run this down before I can approve it?
Thanks
B
Sure thing B. May be purely coincidence but who knows.
Just wanted to say that my screen name is Concerned Mom, but just saw that there is now a CONCERNEDMOM on Blink. Not me.
B said, “Imo, the problem everyone is having is they are assuming who murdered her and who placed her at AF have to be the same person.
We have 2 different profiles competing with each other, and imo, that is the conflict.
B
I see this as a possibility. Let’s say One was a wealthy young college student, athelete with rage, and alcholol problems, hates women and obsessive. The other is a Local college student, athlete, no real issues both Frat Brothers and just out for the night to party. They run into a beautiful girl that is intoxicated and alone. One of the young men (guess which one) suggests let’s go party. Ok she says these look like nice college guys. Now on the way something happens like The wealthy spoiled guy suggests a sexual game with both She says no way and he gets very mad and it gets out of hand before you know it She is dead and the young man with all the rage blacks out or says he did now the other guy may not be as bad as this guy but he is stuck with fixing this problem because he is guilty by association. He was there too…..2 different profiles. Just a crazy thought but at least a thought.
Hi Suz!
So, was the lacrosse team bus parked in the grassy, overflow parking lot next to Lannigan Field? Seems more likely the bus would have left from UHall. Just wondering how one of the players came to be in that particular lot that morning to find the purse. Shouldn’t have been a shortage of parking spaces at UHall or Cage lots that Sunday morning I wouldn’t think.
Does anyone know if GH had a roommate or mates? And if so, were they Lax players?
Playing devil’s advocate, I now wonder whether the LAX player “found” Morgan’s purse or were they trying to get rid of it. I can’t get myself past the idea of the 4 BIB possibly being LAX players. If they dumped it somewhere and it was possibly found later they would need to explain any finger prints or DNA. Turning the purse into police before she went officially missing explains all of that away. I wonder if they were questioned about her camera.
My “hinky meter” would really go off if we found out that the LAX player who found the purse was either George himself or the locally grown goalie/snowcone maker.
My Hink is stuck on this.
B
Blink, In Memory of Gini speculated that the party GH attended was at the burned down house. Given the fact that you did not correct her, am I right to assume that this is a fact?
Alexandra, you wrote:
Dear Blink,
Where was the party GH went to the night of October 17, 2009?
What ties does he have to Anchorage Farm or Blandemar?
Do you think he had anything to do with Morgan’s death?
As to the possible ties that GH may have, I believe those around GH have the direct ties to the location. Blink has said that she believes whomever killed Morgan, had help in placing her on AF. She has also said she believes a female placed the shirt on the bush. I do not know whether or not anyone believes GH killed Morgan Harrington. But we have all said – everything’s in until its out, right?
Some of the possible ties are speculated upon in this piece.(surveying in NG) Others on older threads.
1 fraternities are said to have frequented AF in the past.
2 Students of archeology and anthropology have conducted many explorations into Virginia’s historic places and old cemeteries.
AF with its cemetery and history would be right up their alley, I would think.
Hope this helps, and for the record, I am not stating that I believe GH had anything to do with Morgan’s murder. I just feel that there are too many coincidences to simply throw all speculation into the “out” pile. At the very least, all these coincidences have to show us that there could be many other people that killed MH, or helped cover up her murder, besides, local hunters or local families with questionable pasts.
I have no direct information GH was at the Sutherland House.
There are more than enough nexis’s to keep me interested right now.
B
redly says:
May 12, 2010 at 10:02 am
Actually, I take umbrage to Gil’s “particularly at UVA” comment. UVA had one terrible event with GH. I don’t believe that is indicative of a reign of indifference or complacency towards violence at all. I suspect UVA has less incidents of student violence than many other schools.If you have 20,000 young adults together, there will be some crime and some violence. This isn’t clockwork orange — there is no brain manipulation that will prevent that.
Redly, with all due respect, Morgan Harrington, Gil’s daughter, went missing from that campus and her killer (s) have not been caught yet.
I understand that allegiances are high, and I respect that, but it is what it is.
As has been proven right here, George Huguely had multiple instances of violence, resulting in a woman’s death, which players AND coaches were aware of. You read the piece right?
If you invite a vampire in, this is what happens.
FWIW, I will bang this drum at any school this occurs at.
B
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Coach Starsia was well aware that GH beat the crap out of one of his own LAX team members and “talked” to the whole team about it. The player who got the crap beaten out of him by GH had to wear sun glasses to cover his bruises, YET Coach Starsia did not kick GH’s sorry butt off the team. What was GH’s punishment?? A “talking to”?? Again, I am not blaming Coach S for GH’s brutal murder of Yeardley, nor UVA, but why isn’t a violent assault on a fellow student considered an honor offense? If GH cheated on a test he probably would have gotten in more trouble than when he beat the crap out of his team mate.
DTA- I don’t think you are far off. Even if they got her willingly to a house to party for a few hours. She ends up isolated with rageguy, he gets angry as she doesn’t agree to his plan. Ends up beating her etc. Returns to the group. sweaty, dirty, bloody & incoherant. A few ‘buds’, concerned, look for the girl and find her/ Oh crap, now what?
If Huguely is our guy – we would already know by now….because they would have taken his DNA and compared it to the DNA found on Morgan.
Since there has been no news of a DNA match – I say Huguely is not our guy.
You realize it would take a warrant to test his Dna to any known samples, which is not easy to get if the only known nexis is a purse. That is an oversimplified answer, there are many permutations as to why that may not be a fact.
That said, I am not convinced he is “the guy”, but I think it is possible we are in wrong pew right church.
B
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3194&page=6
Map above compliments of TDBone at FM. Depicts JPJ, shirt location, DKE etc. Good review.
Oh my, so many interesting thoughts!
DTA, I was kind of thinking along those lines too, also, to Mary, I was also thinking how they would happen to find the purse, why they would be in that area.
When they (LAX players) found the purse, did they turn it in to someone or did they just report it? If they physically picked it up and turned it in, how do the authorities know that the purse was actually found there? If it was turned in, who took the time to bring it to authorities? If they were going to catch a bus to leave for a game, why would they take time out of their schedule to hand over a dropped purse? What good citizens they are!
But, B – once you are arrested for Murder – isn’t LE allowed to take your DNA to have on file?
They executed a warrant for his DNA in Yeardley’s murder.
No, they cannot just slap it into Codis.
Also, your assuming there is a foreign sample from the crime scene of Morgan’s remains, we do not know that as a certainty. Even if there is, they would still need a probable cause warrant to test it in Morgan’s case.
B
Coach Starsia was well aware that GH beat the crap out of one of his own LAX team members and “talked” to the whole team about it. The player who got the crap beaten out of him by GH had to wear sun glasses to cover his bruises, YET Coach Starsia did not kick GH’s sorry butt off the team. What was GH’s punishment?? A “talking to”?? Again, I am not blaming Coach S for GH’s brutal murder of Yeardley, nor UVA, but why isn’t a violent assault on a fellow student considered an honor offense? If GH cheated on a test he probably would have gotten in more trouble than when he beat the crap out of his team mate.
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because its not an honor offense. They deal with academic integrity and have a single sanction, not legal integrity. It was potentially a criminal matter and if the teammate had taken it to the police it could have been treated that way. GH is not the only guy who has gotten into a fight with another guy over a girl though and I doubt many if any make it to the police.
Not an honor offense?
Redly- are you supporting the lack of this information in Huguely’s file?
B
Thanks, B, for your response — I heart you, too — no worries there — and thanks for the answer on the team bus –
my ideas as to where morgan’s body was placed comes from being in the area and seeing it w/ my own eyes — I did NOT go on AF or on any of the Blandemar properties — but looking at the google overheads is distorting or misleading when looking at the actual location — Chopin Rd is not a road, per se — it’s a gravel driveway or roadway and I don’t know if it’s public or private — and when you look at the google map, it shows the pond across from the AF field, but in reality, that pond is behind a tall line of trees which totally blocks the pond from view on the other side of Chopin — it would be no problem whatsoever to pull into chopin, pull over, and put a body over your shoulder (if you’re an athlete, for ex) and hoof it about the length of two football fields — hop the fence into AF — walk a couple hundred feet — if that far — place her in the tree line and leave — it’s a much-easier point of entry than going thru the Red Hill Gate No. 1 —
My point was: someone “familiar” w/ the blandemar properties out there — ie, a landscaping employee, for ex — may be familiar w/ the land behind the houses on Blandemar that back up to AF and not know that parcel was part of AF — they may have simply observed it, knowing it’s “landlocked” and not observed daily, or even weekly, activity on that section of the property — if the hay was cut in the spring, and they were there over the summer and the grass was knee height in October — they may have thought it was an unused parcel of property — when Morgan’s body was found on AF, I was thinking the most logical point of entry was the front AF driveway — but, really, those Blandemar houses are 20 acres apart, you could pull up in the middle of the night and not cause a stir or pull up undetected — and then quietly drive right back on out —
I respect your instincts — you’ve said from the beginning this was a two-part deal — perhaps people from both sides of the tracks — one did the deed, the other helping them to cover it — and I definitely agree w/ you someone local or who had been back there had to be aware of that property prior to Morgan’s death to leave her there — that’s not land you come upon by accident driving around looking for a dump site (sorry) — that person had to think of where they could go in undetected and place her body in a spot they beleived she would never be found — it also answers, I believe, the question of: why didn’t they put her in a forest or dump her in a river or something — No. 1, I have to believe this person was in a time of great stress (per VSP), and No. 2, they may have thought if they dump her in the forest, a hiking path, in the river, her body may have been located and DNA tests, etc. performed. I believe they purposely chose this area believing she would never be discovered — and — were it not for that terrible storm in Jan, I don’t know that she would have been discovered.
One thing I think we can agree on, whoever put her there never in a million years thought she’d be found –
as the old TV commercial goes: It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature –
and lastly, this is an example of two people who may have differing opinions being able to express those opinions respectfully —
next time I get on the surely side, remind me of this : )
J2k, if you read this — give me your thoughts — I’m always interested as to why I am wrong –
You did help me understand the possible reasoning behind VSP’s statement that they are only interested in what happened AFTER she left the arena — had she stayed inside, she probably would have been safe — however, I still do believe if they know what really occurred inside JPJA, they may then know why she left or if she left to meet someone in particular —
I will say I may be 100 % off on this, but I just cannot shake the feeling Morgan and Yeardley are connected
Blink’s response to Teri (May 12 @ 2:14) was: “That said, I am not convinced he is “the guy”, but I think it is possible we are in wrong pew– right church.”
I don’t disagree, but I feel like we’ve been looking at services at several “churches”– Lacrosse, UVA Athletics, UVA Frats… am I forgetting any?
I mentioned this ages ago when talking about Morgan, but I feel like it’s even more relevant given what GH has done to Yeardley– Google search “John Gaumer.” He got angry at a girl on their first date for refusing to sleep with him so he kicked her out of the car on the side of the road and returned moments later to beat her to death. He was not a college athlete but played football in high school. Maybe reading about his case will help posters identify behaviors, history, or interests which might help narrow the field in our search for Morgan’s killer. My point is, here is another college male, known for his aggressive pursuit and shameless advances on women, who flew into a fit of rage and who murdered someone using his own hands. Is this M.O. specific to this age group? There have to be more parallels…we just have to find them.
“Honor” violation or not, it was a violation. 1 or 2 below ought to cover it.
http://www.virginia.edu/vpsa/rights.html
. . . To fulfill its functions of imparting and gaining knowledge, the University retains the power to maintain order within the University and to exclude those who are disruptive of the educational process.
Generally, prohibited conduct for which a student is subject to discipline is defined as follows (not including violations of the Honor System and motor vehicle regulations):
1.Physical or sexual assault of any person on University-owned or leased property, at any University sanctioned function, at the permanent or temporary local residence of a University student, faculty member, employee , or visitor, or in the city of Charlottesville or Albemarle County.
2.Conduct which intentionally or recklessly threatens the health or safety of any person on University-owned or leased property, at a University sanctioned function, at the permanent or temporary local residence of a U niversity student, faculty member, employee or visitor, or in the city of Charlottesville or Albemarle County.
3.Unauthorized entry into or occupation of University facilities which are locked, closed to student activities or otherwise restricted as to use.
4.Intentional disruption or obstruction of teaching, research, administration, disciplinary procedures, other University activities, or activities authorized to take place on University property.
5.Unlawfully blocking or impeding normal pedestrian or vehicular traffic on or adjacent to University property.
6.Violation of University policies or regulations referenced in The Record , including policies concerning residence and the use of University facilities.
7.Alteration, fabrication, or misuse of, or obtaining unauthorized access to University identification cards, other documents, or computer files or systems.
8.Disorderly conduct on University-owned or leased property or at a University-sanctioned function. Disorderly conduct is defined to include but is not limited to acts that breach the peace, are lewd, indecent, or obsc ene, and that are not Constitutionally protected speech.
9.Substantial damage to University-owned or leased property or to any property in the city of Charlottesville or Albemarle County or to property of a University student, employee, faculty member, or visitor, occurring on University-owned or leased property or at the permanent or temporary local residence of any student, faculty member, employee or visitor.
10.Any violation of Federal, State, or local law, if such directly affects the University’s pursuit of its proper educational purposes and only to the extent such violations are not covered by other Standards of Conduc t and only where a specific provision of a statute or ordinance is charged in the complaint.
11.Intentional, reckless, or negligent conduct which obstructs the operations of the Honor or Judiciary Committee, or conduct that violates their rules of confidentiality.
12.Failure to comply with directions of University officials acting under provisions 1-11 set above. This shall include failure to give identity in situations concerning alleged violations of sections 1-11.
Sanctions
One or more of the following sanctions for prohibited conduct may be imposed by the Judiciary Committee upon students, depending upon the gravity of the offense:
. . . etc.
redly says:
May 12, 2010 at 10:02 am
Actually, I take umbrage to Gil’s “particularly at UVA” comment. UVA had one terrible event with GH. I don’t believe that is indicative of a reign of indifference or complacency towards violence at all. I suspect UVA has less incidents of student violence than many other schools.If you have 20,000 young adults together, there will be some crime and some violence. This isn’t clockwork orange — there is no brain manipulation that will prevent that.
Redly, with all due respect, Morgan Harrington, Gil’s daughter, went missing from that campus and her killer (s) have not been caught yet.
I understand that allegiances are high, and I respect that, but it is what it is.
As has been proven right here, George Huguely had multiple instances of violence, resulting in a woman’s death, which players AND coaches were aware of. You read the piece right?
If you invite a vampire in, this is what happens.
FWIW, I will bang this drum at any school this occurs at.
B
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I am fully aware of what constitutes an honor offense as I am a UVA Alumni. My point was, Why oh Why isn’t it an honor offense. And, even if assaults on fellow students never become a part of the Honor Code, why did he not get kicked off the team, or at the very least, suspended from the team?
That was my point.
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because its not an honor offense. They deal with academic integrity and have a single sanction, not legal integrity. It was potentially a criminal matter and if the teammate had taken it to the police it could have been treated that way. GH is not the only guy who has gotten into a fight with another guy over a girl though and I doubt many if any make it to the police.
Not an honor offense?
Redly- are you supporting the lack of this information in Huguely’s file?
B
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I left out Redly’s quote, to which I was referring in my above post.
Who would be GH’s coke dealer? Now that LE has his cell phone records, can they figure that out even though it may not be directly related to Yeardley’s murder? Can they use this information if they have it?
If he had a dealer, and I emphasize there is no charges pending against him in the drug arena to date,
I expect both him and them to give that up.
B
Blink,
Still in Moderation: Just curious if it was overlooked or being looked over
45.In Memory of Gini says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 12, 2010 at 7:55 am
Looked Over, I thought I posted that, my bad.
B
Also, your assuming there is a foreign sample from the crime scene of Morgan’s remains, we do not know that as a certainty. Even if there is, they would still need a probable cause warrant to test it in Morgan’s case.
B
With all due respect, would 2 murdered girls within months of each other in close proximity constitute probable cause? I don’t know what my thoughts are on GH being the person that murdered Morgan but, I definitely can’t rule it out! I think it’s time to stop beating around the bush, and start beating down the bush to see what crawls out!
Is the distinction between honor violations and other disciplinary violations really that hard to comprehend? The former pertain to academics, and the latter do not. the end.
Mary:
The reason for Lacrosse players being in the grass parking lot prior to boarding the bus is that when athletes are traveling out of town, they often are required to park their cars in the grass lot in order to save parking spaces for events that may be going on at UHall while they are gone. So, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for a lacrosse player happening upon Morgan’s purse in the grass lot without being involved in her murder. While perhaps it is somewhat of a coincidence, it is not unsurprising at all that the purse was found in that lot by an athlete, as athletes are the primary users of that parking lot in general.
B said: >>But, B – once you are arrested for Murder – isn’t LE allowed to take your DNA to have on file?
They executed a warrant for his DNA in Yeardley’s murder.
No, they cannot just slap it into Codis.
Also, your assuming there is a foreign sample from the crime scene of Morgan’s remains, we do not know that as a certainty. Even if there is, they would still need a probable cause warrant to test it in Morgan’s case.
B
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B, I believe you are absolutely right on this — and what compounds the issue even more — even if Huguley’s DNA is all over Morgan — that alone would never lead to a conviction — or possibly even grounds for an arrest —
but —
if her bones show injury from a specific object — like the LAX stick *sorry, I don’t know the proper terms* — and they can show his “stick” has a crack in it – -then there’s the probable cause — or — since his method of murdering poor yeardley was banging her head up against the wall, if his apt. walls or woodwork showed possible head-banging damage, and Morgan’s skull was damaged to fit in that apt. area, that would give them probable cause to seek a warrant against Huguley —
the mere fact that his DNA may be on her does not give them the probable cause — even if they had found her body immediately and could have tested it for DNA/sperm on a rape kit — that alone is not proof positive — he could always say they had consensual sex and when he left her, she was alive and well — besides, he had a girlfriend.
plus, I don’t think Huguley’s DNA is back from the lab this quick — they have his statements, the hair on his leg on the door — they don’t need DNA to prove their case for Yeardley –
My vote for post of the day —
>>> That said, I am not convinced he is “the guy”, but I think it is possible we are in wrong pew right church.
B <<<
osu says:
When they (LAX players) found the purse, did they turn it in to someone or did they just report it? If they physically picked it up and turned it in, how do the authorities know that the purse was actually found there? If it was turned in, who took the time to bring it to authorities? If they were going to catch a bus to leave for a game, why would they take time out of their schedule to hand over a dropped purse? What good citizens they are!
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These are great questions osu, ones that I hope LE has the answer to. How they came upon the purse and what circumstance the item was “turned in” is quite important. That is, the LAX players WERE in procession of an item, as it turns out, that belonged to a deceased women.
Blink said:
“I have no direct information GH was at the Sutherland House.”
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Blink you state that you don’t have “direct” information that GH was at Sutherland…
Do you have ANY information putting him at that house? Is there a rumor or report of it? IMHO, that would be a significant development.
Many times we have asked and poked around, but have never been able to find out where the renters of the Sutherland house were on Oct 17th.
Was there ANY party at the Sutherland house on the night of Oct 17th, 2009? Do we know where the roomates were that night? The LAX players… where were they? Did any of them attend the Metallica concert that was held on their own campus?
TA-
No direct information is just that. I would never post an unverified rumor about anyone, unless it really was verified and it’s subject matter directly outted a source. And even then, doubtful.
Not ripe.
B
No, they cannot just slap it into Codis
B,
Why can’t they just slap it into Codis? Do they have to be convicted before the file it?
Originally, CODIS consisted of the Convicted Offender Index and the Forensic Index, but in recent years, the Arrestee Index, the Missing or Unidentified Persons Index, and the Missing Persons Reference Index have been added. The Convicted Offender Index contains profiles of individuals convicted of crimes. State law governs which specific crimes are eligible for CODIS. (All 50 states have passed DNA legislation authorizing the collection of DNA profiles from convicted offenders for submission to CODIS.) The Forensic Index contains profiles developed from biological material found at crime-scenes.
Like I said before, I am not convinced that he had anything to do with Morgan’s murder, but I am not convinced that he didn’t either. Maybe LE or the FBI has already ruled him out, I don’t know. I do know if I were one of the investigators on this case, I would be doing everything in my power to obtain his DNA information, as well as his phone records for the last year “just to see if he had a pattern of harrassment”. I’m sure LE knows how to get around obtaining the info prior to Yeardly’s murder. They have to know how to outsmart the criminals or else there would be even more unsolved murders.
forgot to provide link to the Codis info above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_DNA_Index_System
Statement From Marta Murphy, George Huguely’s Mom:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/lacrosse/bs-murphy-huguely-mother-statement,0,1610186.htmlpage
@ Concerned Mom May 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm
It is not only an honour offense, it is in fact a criminal offense as well.
What is bugging me – is GH really so talented that it was worth to keep him on the team, even though he drank, and he was in general a liability? As I said, I have absolutely no idea about sports, so I can’t tell…