Beauty and The Beast: The Predictable Murder of Yeardley Love By George Huguely
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Charlottesville, VA- At approximately 9 PM the evening of May 2nd, George Huguely, V left a golf outing he drank at all day, visibly intoxicated according to fellow attendees. It was the beginning of the end of a rancorous binge drinking track record for the prodigal son of George and Marta (Sanson Murphy) Huguely.
It was the gruesome end for star athlete Yeardley Reynolds Love.
Yeardley said ITS OVER to the heir of Huguely’s family’s century old lumber business and spent the last weeks of her life in fear George would make good on his threats.
Sources inside the circle of Love and her family have stated that the most recent threats and public observation of the couple occurred at Huguely’s former frat, Delta Kappa Epsilon.
Following this incident, Yeardley left campus and stayed at her Cockeysville home where her Mother, Sharon Donnelly Love, begged her to file a police report.
Yeardley refused as she did not want it to interrupt the last weeks of both teams winning seasons. She believed because the last scene was so public Huguely would have no choice but to back off for fear of compromising his status on the UVA mens team.
For anyone unsure about the locker room brethren, as reported by NY Daily News:
A former Virginia student who was friends with both Love and Huguely described a disturbing incident in which Huguely recently reportedly attacked Love, then had no recollection of it the next day, which precipitated their final breakup. “He was really messed up and punched a window of a car on the way over to her apartment that night,” the friend said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of consideration for Love’s family. The friend said Huguely had been seen breaking bottles at another party before Love’s death and had told people he was going to her apartment to get Love back.
D K E
While Huguely is not listed as an active brother on DKE roster, this Falls newsletter touts an impressive Rush week which rounds out the Dekes with 14 Varsity Athletes; 12 of them from the men’s Lacrosse team. The DKE roster has not been updated to reflect active brothers since 2008 and an email request to alumni affairs director Ian Graham has not been returned. The DKE facebook account has been deleted.
By all accounts, in retrospect, Yeardley’s murder was a predictable incident. Preventable.
Not inasmuch as it could have been foreseen per se, but Generation George was a time bomb.
Incidents abound from his days in Palm Beach where he jumped ship after an argument with Generation G4 whereby he swam to shore as well as his arrest for drunken swearing and THREATENING TO KILL A COP WITH A SIDE OF RACIAL SLUR in November 2008.
There are 8 UVA Men’s Lacrosse members that have had alcohol related arrests in the last two years.
Nationally ranked 2008 Team Captain Will Barrow stunned the entire lacrosse community when he committed suicide two weeks after Huguely’s Rockbridge County arrest.
Ryan Nizolek, #24, was arrested in High School for smuggling steroids into the US from Mexico on a family vacation and brought them to school in a Rolaids bottle.
As the news broke of Yeardley’s murder I have been inundated with emails and texts from several UVA students and their family members that have been admonished not to speak publicly, not to accept new facebook friends and not to answer any questions from the media on or off campus.
The paradox of telling the grieving and concerned matriculation to effectively zip it, after doing just that may have cost Yeardley Love her life, is absurd.
A witness who observed the last physical confrontation between Love and Huguely email excerpt to blinkoncrime.com provided on the condition of anonymity:
…”You have to understand.. He is a big dude with a bigger personality. If anyone has ever told him no, I am not aware of it. It was obvious she did not want him near her. She told him that, and it took 3 of us to hold him back. She was a little thing and she put on a good face, but I walked away feeling like that was not over. I said to lax(xx) that asshole is going to get himself killed or kill somebody. He was nicer on the turf for f*cks sake, I didn’t get it…..”
We are all obsessed about our last year in the game. Everyone parties like rock stars because half of us have more money than rock stars. Well, our parents do.
That is bullshit about him not being a Deke, btw. He beat up a fellow brother in his sleep drunk off his ass one night because he was sleeping on the couch he wanted to sit on, or go to bed on or whatever- He was booted and his friends wanted to stay. That pissed him off royally. His Dad partied with us once in a while. I remember wishing he was my Dad, and then I saw those two go at it. I would still have been cool with a Dad that is that loaded, but not if it meant Huge was my bro.
It wasn’t so much that he was raging all the time. It was weird. It was more like he was 2 diff people. You know what I mean? Like a mood swing on crack. DON’T publish I said he was on crack. Roids for sure and there was mention of an 8 the day of the murder. It was almost like he felt like he was insulted when he was around better players than him. He loved the sport but he had no respect for anyone if they were better in the X.
Do I think anyone intervening could have stopped a murder? I am not sure if that is a fair question or a set up.
My Mom asked me the same thing. I told her I did not get it. There is tons of Hoo Pumpers everywhere, especially this season. I never saw him without some chick, so I don’t get that part. He was a big clamper I heard though, if he didn’t have something cookin. It was not like he could not **** anyone he wanted. He was always like .. Give and Go Bro, everytime I saw him and I had a date. Tell me if you don’t know the lingo but I think you might. I heard ya got skills.
Lol, I am aware that only happens in college before you say something lecture-like.
I really wish I knew that nobody knew what was going on with him. We woulda pulled that scared straight shit on him. Like his version, shop at target instead of Abercrombie for the rest of his life no beach houses. That mighta been harsh of me to say before now. We just hate what he did to his girl, and our last year. I worked my ass off, we all did, and it should have been our thing to remember. Instead, it is fu***** lockdown.
I have reviewed UVA Athletic Director Craig Littlepage quotes on the matter.
Frankly, as an editorial, that verbiage would not have flown from any coach I have ever had, or respected, regardless of the sport.
“They never told me, nothing was reported to me” is the equivalent of ignorance of the law, which is no defense.
How do 8 arrests and a suicide, among other “not so documentable” infractions NOT constitute a red flag, or an intervention?
Safety does not come with a price tag. It comes from accountability and awareness. Huguely posted bond following his arrest on November 15, 2008.
Somebody had to know he was incarcerated. He had a public defender in that case so the question is– Who posted it and how was the fact he was off campus for a few days prior to the Thanksgiving break missed by his coaches?
At the time of this writing, the Virginia Commonwealth has issued an order sealing the search warrants in this case retroactively.
While the justification of that request by Charlottesville Police has not been released, it is an unusual move in a case that has not even seen its first bond hearing or an indictment.
Could it mean that Huguely is connected to the murder of Morgan Harrington?
Virginia State Police, who maintains jurisdiction in the Harrington case is emphatic it is not.
..”It was a Lacrosse player who discovered the purse. However, there is no evidence to indicate any connection between Morgan or the Love homicide. .. There is no connection between these two homicides, so I am not going to even entertain the additional questions. We are not identifying the individual who found the purse…” Corrine Geller, PR Manager VSP to blinkoncrime.com
Morgan’s purse was located by an unidentified male lacrosse player on the way to boarding the bus to an exhibition match in Annapolis, MD.
We have a player accused of first degree murder that by his own statements has had violent encounters with others he has not remembered.
We have players with land connections to the area of North Garden as well an individual who has personally preformed site survey work on Blandemar and Anchorage Farm.
Have all the Lacrosse players been questioned about the circumstances of finding the posession of a missing and murdered woman who was last seen on the UVA campus?
The cases may be may be unrelated.
The Harrington’s buried their daughter Morgan.
The Love family is burying their daughter Yeardley.
Isn’t it time for a little disclosure as to whether or not these lingering questions have been asked and answered?
Yeardley Love, will receive her Bachelor’s Degree in Political Science with a minor in Spanish posthumously with her class from the University of Virginia.
Love’s family and friends begin receiving those wishing to pay their respects today where she will also be laid to rest tomorrow, in Maryland.
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Could a snowcone maker about to graduate with a degree in urban and environmental planning be a possible link?
skyler says:
May 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm
My vote for post of the day —
>>> That said, I am not convinced he is “the guy”, but I think it is possible we are in wrong pew right church.
B <<<
I agree, I haven’t heard that saying in forever. Cracked me up
Virginia law provides that persons arrested for certain violent felonies shall have DNA samples taken on their arrest. Va. Code Ann. § 19.2-310.2:1:
Every person arrested for the commission or attempted commission of a violent felony as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or a violation or attempt to commit a violation of § 18.2-31 [capital murder], 18.2-89 [burglary], 18.2-90 ["Entering dwelling house, etc., with intent to commit murder, rape, robbery or arson"], 18.2-91 [same; "with intent to commit larceny, assault and battery or other felony"], or 18.2-92 [same; other misdemeanor], shall have a sample of his saliva or tissue taken for DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) analysis to determine identification characteristics specific to the person. After a determination by a magistrate or a grand jury that probable cause exists for the arrest, a sample shall be taken prior to the person’s release from custody. The analysis shall be performed by the Department of Forensic Science or other entity designated by the Department. The identification characteristics of the profile resulting from the DNA analysis shall be stored and maintained by the Department in a DNA data bank and shall be made available as provided in § 19.2-310.5. (bracketed material added)
“They executed a warrant for his DNA in Yeardley’s murder.
No, they cannot just slap it into Codis.
B”
Yes Ross, I am familiar, thus my answer. Thanks for posting the corroborating statute.
B
Beating a fellow teammate or a girlfriend or other is not an honor offense because it is not academic. Okay.
But the coach was aware of a player, GH, beating another player. IMO it was the coach’s duty to encourage the victim to press criminal charges. It was his duty to support the victim by encouraging others on the team to be on board with this action.
Instead, he did nothing but reprimand criminally violent behavior, with a speech. This player probably felt much the same as Yeardley- If he would have reported the incident to police, I am sure he pondered whether or not his teammates would have said he was overreacting. I am sure he felt torn between reporting it and having people say-
“What’s the big deal, who hasn’t gotten into a physical altercation over a girl?”
The player probably felt it was better to ignore what happened, and make the best of it, for the good of his team and for the the good of his school.
In other words, he was perhaps, unwittingly, put in the same horrendous position as Yeardley. He could let it go, and play nice with GH, inorder to keep his team and his school untarnished or he could press charges against a fellow teammate, bringing unwanted attention to himself, Yeardley and his school.
He, like Yeardley, should never have been put in that position. His school should have protected themselves and all of their players and students by alerting police and thereby, forcing GH to take responsibility for his violent choices.
Adult Functioning members of society do not resort to violence, whether it be over a love interest or not- if they do, they are subjected to laws governing such actions.- All violence should carry a zero tolerance punishment. If these were adults in a workplace, their boss would be held accountable for not alerting police to an act of violence, especially one carried out upon the grounds of the work place.
In grade school and High school, all children and teachers, must adhere to a zero tolerance policy regarding violence. If a teacher suspects child abuse, physical or otherwise, it must be reported to the authorities.
Do our colleges, our institutions of higher learning, not adhere to this same code of conduct? If not, Why not?
As I have said before, GH and GH alone is to blame for Yeardley’s murder. But if we do not learn from the past, we are condemned to repeat it. There were many opportunities for GH’s parents, his teammates, his friends, and his coach to realize GH was a danger to himself and others. Perhaps, if someone in authority had taken the appropriate steps, Yeardley would still be alive, and GH would be getting the help he needed, and the school could be happy to know that a potentially violent student is not roaming their grounds.
Instead, we are left to garner what lessons we might learn from the predictable death of Yeardley Love- what a travesty.
Thanks Ross for providing the info, but why would they store it if they couldn’t use it in other cases?
I am sorry, but I am ignorant to the laws and specifics of DNA use and storage
#44 “Yeardley’s loss.” Freudian slip?
While still early in the case, can’t help but think of what the future holds for GH.
I often wonder if sentencing someone to spend years in a prison system as retribution for their criminal act is indeed justice for the victim.
In this horrible case, the perpretator must be held accountable. But can you realy measure the value of the victim’s life with the span of a prison sentence? Moreover, what of the untold contributions that the victim would have made to society? How do you atone for that lost? Most importantly, how do you perpetuate her memory — the memory of how she lived her life, not the memory of how she died?
As a parent of two lovely daughters who hold my heart, I argue for a harsh prison sentence — harsh in manner served, but not necessarily in time served.
I would ask that justice be served by a creative sentencing whereby the perpretator would be sentenced to 10 full years of hard labor in one of our country’s most desolate facilities. And upon completion of that sentence, the perpretator would be forced to continue his life by actively serving the memory of my child rather than pursuing his own livelihood.
In other words, he would spend the rest of his life talking about his criminal act, counseling others against domestic abuse, serving as a mentor to individuals at risk, sharing the story of his crime and the aftermath of his life on a global spectrum, and raising funds and support to ensure the initiatives that were my child’s passion and dreams were fulfilled.
In other words, he would live, but he would live on my terms. And, most importantly, he would never be allowd to forget.
“In grade school and High school, all children and teachers, must adhere to a zero tolerance policy regarding violence. If a teacher suspects child abuse, physical or otherwise, it must be reported to the authorities.”
Tell that to Phoebe Prince.
Obviously, if a high school teacher/administrator has knowledge of abuse and chooses to do nothing, absolutely nothing will happen to the teacher/administrator:
“‘They knew all along and did nothing to prevent it,’ resident Donna Tower said of administrators. ‘There needs to be justice for Phoebe Prince.’
School Committee members and Superintendent Gus Sayer did not return phone calls yesterday.
South Hadley High administrators had previously said they were unaware of the bullying until after Prince’s death, but Scheibel said yesterday that students and some teachers and administrators knew of the harassment of Prince and that Prince’s mother had spoken with at least two school staff members about her daughter’s troubles.
The vast majority of the bullying took place during the school day, Scheibel said, and online harassment played a secondary role.
The school’s inaction was ‘troublesome’ but did not constitute criminal behavior, Scheibel said. A lack of ‘understanding of harassment associated with teen dating relationships’ was prevalent at the school, she added.”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/03/30/da_charges_9_teens_faults_school_officials_in_s_hadley_bullying_case/
Sudafed,
Thank you so much for your answer. I have somewhat of an obsession with that parking lot since Morgan was seen there prior to her disappearance and her purse was found there the following morning. I have been trying to figure out who the BIB may have been who were seen with Morgan in that parking lot the night of 10-17-09. From what you stated, instead of emergency or security personnel as I have previously thought, they were most likely athletes.
You have an interesting name. One of my favorite products!
I have been thinking about this lately.
Please can we go back to Morgan on the bridge and may I ask if there is anyone else out there that thinks Morgan may have known, recognized that person inside the vehicle???
Even if she had just met them.
And, is there anyway Blink, you can clear up if you think she did???
I cannot help but go back to this time because it is the last time Morgan was seen alive but my next question would be…Who saw this???
And, if someone is saying that they picked her up and dropped her someplace…Was it in the vicinity of North Garden or back at JPJA???
And, is he a person of interest, suspect, or whateva you want to call him…Don’t care what his title is, just is he being watched???
And, I could be way wrong but I think Morgan did know who she got into that car with.
And, may I also ask if it could be just right there in front of our faces…Howell and someone(s) on the way home and see Morgan on that bridge and picks her up. Are they the good samaritan ride-providers or are they the ones that took her life??? Did they/he call in for help to cover??? Or are they/he the cleaners of a terrible crime???
Sorry, I know that I am sounding a bit nuts. Just trying to retrace steps. I feel I am sidelined and dropped to my knees, by the George Huguley, absolutely, sickening act of violence he committed. Remember, I have someone, oh wait, she not here anymore, beaten to an inch of her life inside a vehicle…and then lost it running from him.
So yea, Mrs. Harrington can be a little bit bitter about anything she wants to be. Her daughter is dead!!!!!!
AND UVA will march on.
Which I say is OK, there are lots of kids there now with bright futures and those that will come to a great institution.
But that doesn’t negate finding Morgan’s killers even if we find them on the campus of The University of Virginia!
Memories will fade, time will become the enemy and we, the families, are left sobbing into our pillows at 2 a.m., grieving the loss that was just as bright as any other in the hear and now.
That murdered girl deserves that.
Fish-
I strongly believe Morgan was, at a minimum, familiar with whomever she left with.
He/they were not strangers.
Statistically, that is supported by an 80% certainty in this crime.
B
TA-
No direct information is just that. I would never post an unverified rumor about anyone, unless it really was verified and it’s subject matter directly outted a source. And even then, doubtful.
Not ripe.
B
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Why do you always have to be so damn respectable? LMAO
You can’t blame a guy for tryin’!
Seriously though, I respect and understand that stance. I’m just getting extremely impatient of late trying to gather new facts. If there are more connections in these two cases that are still publicly unknown, how in the HELL could LE come out and dismiss any connection so quickly? THAT, I don’t understand.
I would like to go on record as saying that I do not think one whit less of Charlottesville, the University of Virginia or Albemarle county since these recent sad events. Google “steven bixby” and you’ll see the area in which I live: full of history, charm, and one or two crazies, just like everywhere else in the world. From my time on this board I have found the local residents of Charlottesville to be wonderful people, intelligent and compassionate. Google “erskine college” and you’ll see MY alma mater (except I don’t know if you can call it that if you don’t graduate). They’re having a huge fight right now about whether or not the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church owns the college or not. I’m not ARP, just went there cause that’s where my dad graduated from.
There are a couple of people missing from my area but those cases have gone very cold. Drug addicts they say. I live about an hour from where Susan Smith let her car roll into a lake with her 2 sons strapped inside.
I have a brother who lives in Delaware and it’s my turn to visit him, but when I do, I’m coming to Charlottesville first!
I have developed some Cville friendships from this case. These folks are proud of their community and love their home. As they should. It is not a reflection on the entire community.
B
sky!
So so so happy to see you back, my dear. The tilt of the perspectives scale is definitely in your favor regarding the AF/BF sites. In your estimation, I take it, you believe the perp(s) entered from the BF “neighborhood” side. Feasible. and it does bring to mind the time detective were witnessed scouring the cul-de-sac in the area you described.
I agree with you and B that whomever placed Morgan did so with the intention she’d never be found. It reminds of something B noted way back in November, I believe, that has always stuck with me – particularly after MH was found.
In the midst of speculation on whether her disappearance was the result of an accident of sorts that the young people she was with panicked and rashly decided to cover it up – which predominated the avenue of thinking at that brief not-wanting-to-believe-the-worst period of time – B reasoned that the reason her body had not been found yet was because the person who placed her somewhere did not want her to be found, with the chilling implication that whatever happened to her was no accident, and her body would decidedly indicate that.
I was still operating in my panic-stricken-dumb-ass-kids-dumped-her framework, but that comment triggered the crack in my theory that would soon shatter such a simplistic, less-frightening notion.
Oh, and to this, mizz skyler:
“J2k, if you read this — give me your thoughts — I’m always interested as to why I am wrong –”
Are you directing that at moi..? : )
(deserved)
(sky) “…You did help me understand the possible reasoning behind VSP’s statement that they are only interested in what happened AFTER she left the arena — had she stayed inside, she probably would have been safe — however, I still do believe if they know what really occurred inside JPJA, they may then know why she left or if she left to meet someone in particular —”
I can’t help but think LE *does* know what went on in the arena to a satisfactory degree. No proof, but a gut feeling trouble started outside and unrelated to the arena (aside from its denial of her re-entry).
As far as the good-tracks-kid/bad-tracks-punk crime-and-cover tag team… Let’s just say that non-perp-body-dumper must have owed killer BIG-Time to get involved in the disposal of a young woman’s body post-facto. I don’t even think it’s a given brotherly love goes that far.
And, also via The Sky:
“I will say I may be 100 % off on this, but I just cannot shake the feeling Morgan and Yeardley are connected.”
I agree that it is in the realm of possibilities because of all the Unknowns in regard to Morgan’s case…. but barely. Think about what we’ve learned of GH: A wild-eyed, black-out drunk who was regularly in poor form. If he was involved somehow in the killing/dumping of MH last October, it’s hard to believe that *nothing* has come out of his mouth about it.
I think that, despite the noted responsibility shortcomings in regard to GH’s violent streak amongst friends and teammates (given GH’s recent late-night history leading up to Yeardley’s death), with all the publicity MH’s case got locally, if someone overheard or gleaned from a schmammered GH that he played any role in in her killing it would have been reported.
I still believe it was locals, and while not ready to do a thesis on why GH most likely did not have a hand in MH’s demise, I’m keeping my cheese on that shelf until more info emerges, ya smell me?
A *clink* to you regardless – and one to Chad, who BRiZZ-OUghT the Exedrin last night!
So, Chad, I’m thanking you for a smile as well. (May 12, 2010 at 12:52 am).
Nothin’ like taking 2 pills of Excedrin…
You know J2k-
If you read your post backwards, and enunciate it like yoda..
You have essentially solved this case you have.
J2K Kibbitzed:
As far as the good-tracks-kid/bad-tracks-punk crime-and-cover tag team… Let’s just say that non-perp-body-dumper must have owed killer BIG-Time to get involved in the disposal of a young woman’s body post-facto. I don’t even think it’s a given brotherly love goes that far.
Do you see that those 2 profiles continue to re-emerge in this case?
B
This may already be here. But if it isn’t, here is some actual footage of the Navy Scrimmage..it is titled on October 19, 2010 as from “Yesterday”..which was 10/18/2010
If GH is #11, like I believe, then he did indeed play in this Scrimmage. I can’t tell if he started, though. You can see #11 at 1:47 and at 3:37 and then further along…he is on camera a few more times.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ilacrosse#p/u/394/ykKM0fduWBg
This may not be very popular – just to be realistic I believe there are always going to be (male) students getting drunk, having arguments over a girl, maybe getting into a fight and bragging about fictional sexual encounters, and guys will try to get a girl’s phone number.
But – there is a clear difference between this type of behaviour, and what has become known about GH. He drank habitually, and he was violent to a degree that it could have led to a criminal prosecution. His ex left town after an altercation. This is totally outside the norm.
This wasn’t just a young guy having a few drinks too many after a break up. In fact, it would have been the right moment to intervene. There is a difference about offensive but overall harmless and dangerous.
@ Cat May 12, 2010 at 4:27 pm
As far as I remember, it was first handled as a lost property – so that the handbag wasn’t initially processed as evidence in a criminal case. At that point there was no indication that Morgan was missing. I believe this comes from an official statement, maybe one of the press conference, but can’t find the file right now.
Hi, Mary! (I can’t answer your questions because I have no earthly idea, but I couldn’t ignore your enthusiastic Hi, Suz!)
Skyler, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think his stick could be wielded to break Morgan’s bones—-I think it’s too light and flexible, not like a baseball bat. They seem to weigh less than a pound, even the “attack” ones. Made of aluminum or funky alloys.
And again, i don’t know, but I’m not 100% sure GH set out to bang her head against the wall. I thought the original description was that he swung her by the neck, and her head (just so happened to) hit the wall repeatedly.
Just thinking about nexus, with a long -u-, being the plural of nexus, I believe that the “culture” of GH’s circles could be a possible context in which Morgan’s murder was committed. I am not saying it was him – just all the excessive partying, the recklessness, sharing dates, and the complete disregard of the law is something I could associate with the murderer.
Leaving her body in this specific location is somewhat insane, and whoever did it must have been very strong to carry her there. It could be an athlete on drugs and steroids.
What is everyone’s thinking on what it means that Morgan’s shirt was taken from the crime scene? Do we still not know if the shirt with blood taken from GHV’s apt. was his shirt of Miss Love’s? Doesn’t Morgan’s shirt being taken make it likely we are dealing with a much more dangerous individual? The least scary scenario is an accident in which someone is too afraid to come forward. Saving the shirt and then it making an appearance on the bush makes it hard to come up with anything other than circumstances that are chilling especially for those of us living in Charlottesville. The least sick explanation for taking the shirt from the crime scene that I can think of would be to not leave anything behind that could identify the victim or the perpetrator. Still, one would think the shirt would be destroyed as soon as possible. What then makes sense of the shirt being placed on the bush? Two most likely explanations I can think of is to try to shift the focus away from the guilty person which would then lead me to think the guilty party is connected to the farm or probably the worst explanation which would be that the killer is playing with us and taunting us.
Lawyer Weighs in on Prospect of Death Penalty for George Huguely
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0510/735392.html
UVA Lacrosse Death: Friends Say George Huguely “Out of Control” When Drinking, Says Report
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20004424-504083.html
“But the coach was aware of a player, GH, beating another player. IMO it was the coach’s duty to encourage the victim to press criminal charges.”
I agree completely but what would have been the “blowback” to the coach from the UVa Administration and GH’s parents? After all, the parents seemingly bought their little psycho killer admittance to UVa through annual family contributions to some absurd UVa booster fund. Then there is the lucrative out-of-state tuition UVa receives, and the prospect of years and years of generous donations continuing from the little S#@t’s family after he graduates. I think the last thing the Administration wanted was for someone to blow the whistle on this guy.
George- can you substantiate the families monetary contributions?
If not, I am going to need to strike that.
I am as angry as you are, but I want to stay focused on the issues. Let’s not make this an elitist war.
As far as I know, nobody can afford a resurrection so we are on equal footing there.
B
Mom 3.0 – what percentage of minor fist-fights between young men do you think get reported to the police by one of the parties involved? my personal guess would be less than 5%. the thing about using hindsight to say that someone should’ve spoken up is that, in order to control for the benefit of hindsight, you have to apply that same criticism across the board to all equivalent situations; by criticizing the lacrosse team for not reporting the fist-fight between George and a teammate, you are essentially advocating for all fist-fights between young men to be reported to the police. If my 5% estimate is correct, that would mean that police would receive 2,000% more reports of fist-fights than they do now, which would effectively flood them with cases to the point that they wouldn’t be able to operate without dramatically increasing the size of their police department at a corresponding cost to the tax payer.
violence by a man against a woman is a different issue – that should always be reported, and it makes sense to criticize all failures to report such incidents, even when they don’t end up preceding grizzly murders. i just don’t think it is realistic to suggest that all fist-fights between young men should’ve been reported to the police, and the UVA lacrosse coach had no indication at the time that that particular fight was different from any other, as I’m sure there have been plenty of fights over the years on that team, on other teams, amongst the student body, down on the corner, etc
B,
Do you remember if the person that found Morgan’s purse physically took it in or did they call it in from a blue phone or somewhere else?
Has not been disclosed.
B
What is the protocol if a student is attacked by another student? Are they to report it to UV Police, Charlottesville Police, their choice? I’m asking because assult is assult non matter where it happens, regardless if at a party or at a college or on a street corner, regardless of what it is over. The only way charges shouldn’t be pressed for assult is if the victim chooses to not press charges. So, was it the student’s choice not to involve Chalottesville Police or is it UV Police’s choice, the school, the coach, who?
Also, I think if a player is involved in a fight, they should be suspended for at least a game. Can’t just write it off and say boys will be boys and move on.
“George- can you substantiate the families monetary contributions?
If not, I am going to need to strike that.”
B, It was reported that the family was in a certain “tier” of annual contributors. An upcoming UVa “father and son” golf tournament was sponsored by the UVa booster organization which had sliced up the donors into groups characterized by the amount of their annual contributions (which is itself….sick).
I will try and get more specific and get back to you.
That will work Good Sir-
B
Sudafed- I am sure most fist fights do not get reported- but they ARE against the law- but my point was that the coach- someone in authority- was aware of the violence- and should have reported it-
and if I recall it was more than a fist fight- which implies- “fair fight”- but I digress- The coach should have said -team winning? season be damned!- I have a player that is out of control- drinking- blacking out -fighting- using violence against another player- it is my duty to encourage the victim to report this- it is my duty to encourage the team to support the victim- and get behind my decision to have the victim report this- it is my duty to report this to the school’s administrators-
Casteen said if you see this type of behavior- report it- if you see a friend in a violent relationship- report it- the coach should have reported it- period- no hindsight- right is right- GH should have been at the very least suspended- perhaps kicked off the team and most assuredly, sent to treatment for anger management and for alcohol abuse, as a condition of the PRIVILEGE to play lacrosse and on condition of remaining a student of UVA.
If this was a policy that was enforced- zero tolerance- then Yeardley, would not have been placed in the life or death situation of choosing to report the abuse- and ruining her school’s reputation and both team’s seasons or choosing to not follow her mom’s advice in the hope that all’s well that end’s well- and hoping George would have kept his damned hands to himself- drunk or not-
George counted on, relied upon past INACTION regarding his acts of violence. He knew Yeardley would have a hard time reporting him to authorities- Hell, he probably taunted her TO call- saying it would be her fault if he was arrested and UVA and the team was made to suffer by her calling to report the abuse. He may not have wanted to kill her, but instead got carried away- Violence begets violence and George’s violence was escalating- it should have been nipped in the bud…
Since it was later at night, could the boys in black have actually been in navy blue, like the LAX warm-up suits the players wear?
Starbucks- ummm your preaching to the choir regarding Phoebe Prince-
You seem to have missed my earlier post on this subject- please be sure to click on the links-
Mom3.0 says:
May 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Happy Mother’s Day Blink and all of BOC. I am also sending an extra prayer for Gil and Yeardley’s mother today.
Acho, thank you for responding to Lee and for speaking for all of us Mom’s and our responsibilities on Mother’s Day.(part of my present today, is being able to have a few “alone” minutes to write this, thanks to my children for being so thoughtful)
Lee, We all have had times of wondering whether or not our contributions are welcomed and worthwhile. Let me assure you that they are. I read your post, and appreciated it. Don’t stop posting- we welcome your insights, even when noone responds directly.
GH’s lawyers will spread the blame around. They will put the University on trial. They will put GH’s teammates and coaches on trial. They will put Lacrosse on trial. They will put his past roommates on trial and DKE, whether or not he was a “true” member or not. They will put LE on trial. GH’s lawyers will put his family on trial, his past teachers on trial and they will most assuredly, put Yeardley and her whole life on trial. Afterall, this is the only defense GH’s lawyers will have. They must spread the blame around,in order to lesson the blame that GH carries.
Thanks to Blink, we are now aware of previous incidents of violence. How many more are we unaware of that were forgotten? Thanks to Blink, we know Yeardley didn’t come forward, in part, because she didn’t want to punish her school and teammates because of GH’s behavior.
Yeardley should have never been put in that position, to choose between her safety and her love of school, friends, and Lacrosse. She was sadly, in this position more than once.
My grandma always said- when bad behavior rears its ugly head, you have to nip it in the bud.-
When did GH’s bad behavior begin? Perhaps, if the team were seriously disciplined for alcohol offenses, resulting in GH and others being suspended or removed from the team, Yeardley would still be alive.
Perhaps, if the charges against GH weren’t dismissed or lessened, he would have received his due punishment then, in Florida, or in regards to his resisting arrest charge.
In Memory of Ginny, wrote of a family friend being bullied and her mother saying- “Try to ignore it” We are constantly giving our children mixed messages, when dealing with such problems. “Don’t tattle” “Learn to stick up for yourself” “Ignore it” A bully exhibits the same behaviors as an abuser, such as stalking.
A bully uses violence or threats of violence, a bully tries to ostracize- isolate-terrorize ect, all in hopes of gaining control and power. Perhaps GH’s behavior started early on, and he was simply a bully while growing up, or maybe he was the victim of being bullied, by his schoolmates or an overbearing father ect. We need to learn to nip this kind of behavior in the bud.
My point is, I am sure that GH has a past, and I am sure that we will all hear about how the blame needs to be shared. When in fact, it is GH’s choices, his and his alone, that ultimately led to Yeardley’s murder. But I do believe Yeardley’s death need not be in vain, as there is much to learn, regarding educating ourselves, our children, our teachers, and our schools on how to deal with inappropriate behaviors such as bullying and violence inorder to nip it in the bud.
Justice, I commend you for seeking outside help for your child. In memory, I commend you for speaking up-
Bullying is a sign of bigger problems. If left unchecked, it can lead to domestic violence, or such tragedies as Columbine or what happened to Phoebe Prince.
http://tinyurl.com/yc9jf96
http://www.focusas.com/Bullying.html
I believe bully’s are much like other abusers and left unchecked- their inappropriate behavior will only escalate. They should be held accountable- Phoebe’s teachers should also be charged, in my opinion, not just the kids that perpetrated the attacks- physical and psychological- but all those in authority that allowed it to continue.
SALT LAKE CITY – The Utah stepfather held in the slaying of a 4-year-old child beat him for days before the boy died, then used a hammer to disfigure his face and teeth before burying the body in the mountains, according to police records released late Wednesday…..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
just posted it Judi- horrifying
B
coach should be fired/retired. dna should be fair game. life is not fair, even when life is lost. shame.
George- Hi- I don’t know what the blow back to the coach would have been had he taken appropriate action and reported GH’s violence to administrators, nor do I know what would have happened had encouraged his player to report the violence to LE- but rest assured it would have been a better position then the one he, the school and the player find themselves in today- wondering “Could I have prevented Yeardley’s murder by reporting the violence?”
Sudafed- Hi, me again, I forgot to address an important part of your last post- You wrote:
violence by a man against a woman is a different issue – that should always be reported, and it makes sense to criticize all failures to report such incidents, even when they don’t end up preceding grizzly murders. i just don’t think it is realistic to suggest that all fist-fights between young men should’ve been reported to the police, and the UVA lacrosse coach had no indication at the time that that particular fight was different from any other, as I’m sure there have been plenty of fights over the years on that team, on other teams, amongst the student body, down on the corner, etc
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It shouldn’t matter the gender of the victim or the perpetrator- many men find themselves victims of domestic violence at the hands and mouths of their wives- I do not put my daughter’s safety above my son’s so, I do not believe violence against women is any different than violence against a man.
It shouldn’t matter how many physical altercations students have been involved in, or how serious they were deemed to be- There should be a zero tolerance for violence- we should be teaching our children birth through grade school- college and adulthood, that any form of violence is not condoned, and it does not resolve issues. Period-
All cases of violence should be reported to those in authority and a police report should be filed.IMO
crista, hello, thank you for posting your thoughts- I could get behind something like your proposal-
You wrote:
I would ask that justice be served by a creative sentencing whereby the perpretator would be sentenced to 10 full years of hard labor in one of our country’s most desolate facilities. And upon completion of that sentence, the perpretator would be forced to continue his life by actively serving the memory of my child rather than pursuing his own livelihood.
In other words, he would spend the rest of his life talking about his criminal act, counseling others against domestic abuse, serving as a mentor to individuals at risk, sharing the story of his crime and the aftermath of his life on a global spectrum, and raising funds and support to ensure the initiatives that were my child’s passion and dreams were fulfilled.
In other words, he would live, but he would live on my terms. And, most importantly, he would never be allowed to forget.
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I would only add, that the sentence include monthly restitution paid to the family of the victim- Our prison system isn’t working as of now, so again, I thank you for posting your comment, it was rather thought provoking.
Yes HH, Got em-
Thanks and nice work. I do believe it possible the 2nd mention has a son with the same name.
B
B.
I will neither confirm nor deny that I occasionally read my particularly good posts out-loud a la Yoda, before pushing “submit,” with a deferential nod of my head (whilst my cats look on).
That (not) said, I hadn’t considered that linear thinking can work both ways here …
(Re:) “You know J2k-
If you read your post backwards, and enunciate it like yoda… You have essentially solved this case you have. J2K Kibbitzed:
‘As far as the good-tracks-kid/bad-tracks-punk crime-and-cover tag team… Let’s just say that non-perp-body-dumper must have owed killer BIG-Time to get involved in the disposal of a young woman’s body post-facto. I don’t even think it’s a given brotherly love goes that far.’
“Do you see that those 2 profiles continue to re-emerge in this case?~B”
Hmmm. Why do we keep circling local kids and punks (and festering family connections) in regard to MH’s death? Well, one reason would be her own age and that of the majority of her friends – the age group she felt most comfortable with, presumably, was between 18 and 21, with a few known exceptions.
Second, the presumed proximity of the crime scene and the dump-site sticks out. Why there – so close? You’ve got a young, beautiful, (homicidally) dead stranger (whom you picked up earlier in a populated area of town), who is obviously going to be missed almost immediately – someone who stood out.
So… you leave her (permanently) within a few miles of where you picked her up? Within a brief car/bike/ATV-ride from where you live (or your family resides)? And you do so with dozens of options (pick a direction and gun it!) as far as driving a few hours goes? – why not hit the deep forests and mountains of southwestern (or anywhere in rural) Virginia- even just *an hour* outside of Cville?
What was the rush to drop/partially bury her body in an area that this individual or his “Winston Wolf” knew so well… right in his/their own/known community? This utter failure of foresight can usually only be attributed to one general characteristic: youth.
But if a single individual – alone – is responsible for her death, could this lone (presumedly young) actor have really executed a thus-far successful cover-up of the crime … to this degree? I mean, the friggin’ Feds have been involved for months, fa cryin’ out loud…
… Ugh, it’s late. And my mind is seriously pretzeled.
Basically, I think said profiles emerge (most obviously) because of the peculiar place in which MH was found – thus, Rader noted: “(that particular location screams,) location, location, location.”
(Careful not to cut yourself on the ol’ O-Razor…)
I am not sure what Blink meant by her comment, but under VA law, once a person is arrested for a violent felony crime, a dna sample can and will be taken from them and ran through codis. The dna sample goes into the Virginia DNA Data Bank, and is compared to other dna samples in the data bank. The dna sample remains in the data bank until the arrestee is found innocent, in which case the sample is deleted.
4.Rnmom says: May 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Thanks Ross for providing the info, but why would they store it if they couldn’t use it in other cases?
I am sorry, but I am ignorant to the laws and specifics of DNA use and storage
Ross- if you are attempting to interpret statute, I am going to have to vet you. As I am sure you can appreciate, I have actual legal assets on consult to blinkoncrime.com, and I cannot have someone claiming a legal position that is not a sworn officer of the court or member of the bar.
Your “opinion”, albeit unqualified, is also inaccurate.
B
Thought Addendum (and I might as well tell you that there is a toothbrush in my mouth as I type):
“… Let’s just say that non-perp-body-dumper must have owed killer BIG-Time to get involved in the disposal of a young woman’s body post-facto. I don’t even think it’s a given brotherly love goes that far.”
Unless, of course, one brutha asked anothuh to help him move an oddly heavy cooler, that is.
K! night-night.
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Christa- I just read Blink’s piece on little Ethan-(thanks for the heads up Judi-) It just shocked me into remembering why I feel so strongly about the harshest punishments for crimes involving violence- especially those against children.
Although, I do believe our prison systems need to be overhauled and your idea might work for nonviolent offenders- I do not believe that it should be put into place for criminals that are violent. I never want those two to see the light of day ever again, nor do I want them to have the opportunity to procreate.
– GH may have, at one time, had a bright future ahead of him, and he may have deserved leniency, if he had not taken Yeardley’s life, but those days ended when she took her last breath, after being savagely beaten by GH.
Thanks for snapping me back into reality Blink. RIP little Ethan, Yeardley, Morgan, Caylee, Sandra, and all victims who died at the hands of violence. RIP
Blink said –
“Do you see that those 2 profiles continue to re-emerge in this case?
B”
Yes, the upper class kids from good schools being associated with “other side of the tracks” kids or persons. In other words, two classes of people which, other than the drive thru window at Wendy’s, would likely never interact.
It’s the same in conspiracy research when you get a low class loser like Oswald hanging out with millionaire H.L. Hunt or De Morganschild.
This is a red flag that something hinky is going on.
In this case, the question is why would Morgan or her friends know or hang out with non-college lower class locals? What’s the connection?
And also now G.H. for that matter.
The answer – drugs of course. G.H. had to buy his drugs from someone.
You see, the preppy kids want the drugs, but no way will they take the risk to sell, make or distribute them. They have to turn to the
other side of the tracks for people who WILL take those risks and provide them the illegal pills (I believe prescription meds will likely be the drug of choice underneath a WHOLE lot of what is going on in SW Virg. right now, not pot or mushrooms).
Pills are where the profit is right now, and the younger people think
pills like Oxy are cooler in status that good old pot.
Just to clarify, I don’t believe Morgan had a drug problem at all. Did she indulge? Probably. Not the key issue here.
But I believe Morgan crossed paths with some very shady people in C-ville, and one of them she “knew” could be the guy who gave her the ride.
It’s cold and raining, she’s desperate for a ride – then she sees
lamebrain drug dealer or slacker “Joe” and decides he’s better than nobody and gets in the car. After all, she’s seen him at lots of local shows, he’s friends with all the bands (guess why???) and he seems like a harmless loser.
Drugs form connections between individuals who would have nothing in common otherwise. Think about it.
What if the FBI or DEA was right in the middle of a big undercover investigation into illegal meds rings in the area. And then Morgan gets killed by someone who is involved in the ring. But if they arrest him now, it will blow the cover on a bigger investigation they have going. Could that be why we’ve heard nothing for 7 months?
Understandable, but frustrating if true.
Sherlock
This is exactly what I believe is going on in this case.
Hypothetically, and with no direct accusations or allegations to any particular individual:
Sound of Phone Ringing
Bad Guy #1: I effed Up, something Very bad happened and I need your help right now.
Bad Guy #2: I ain’t going near that shit bro, you got money, use it.
Bad Guy #1: Yeah, I got money, and lots for ya, but if I go down, they find out who you are, and you go down with me. Who do you think gets out of this?
Bad Guy #2: Let me make some calls and I will be right there.
2 Profiles, same result.
B
One minor comment:
When George Huguely attacked a sleeping man and beat him, it was not a fistfight. It was not an argument over a girl. GH viciously assaulted a helpless victim and that should never have been ignored.
A DA doesn’t need a complaining witness to take a case to trial, which is done quite often in domestic violence crimes. I only wish that Yeardley’s mother knew that and made a police report herself.
j2k, just because the cops missed morgan lying there in the open when they did their flyovers, and bass and friends missed the circling buzzards who would have told anyone where to look for this missing girl, doesn’t mean that the loner weirdo perp did a brilliant job—just got lucky i think. He was smart in acting alone, as there is no one to tell on him. I think we’d all be surprised by how many crimes are solved because someone tells on someone else, rather than by pure investigative techniques.
Cops searched for her, but prolly leaned towards her being a runaway even with the dropped purse since there was no evidence of foul play, so maybe didn’t search quite as hard as they could have. Or maybe they searched their hearts out but had such scant evidence—what with her apparent HH with person or persons unknown—that after they ran down all the obvious leads (was she planning to meet someone? is there an ex?), they just ran out of ideas until her body turned up.
Profiles are good sometimes, but our black dc snipers were profiled as a white guy. And statistics can be useful as to who probably did it—80% chance it was someone she knew—but the whole rest of the world falls into that other 20%, and we only need one.
Suz-
I do not believe Morgan was visible in that field until a few days prior to her discovery. There were no circling buzzards, without being specific.
As far as profiling, I agree with you. that the profile does not solve the case.
B
Yeah. Gimme his Name, and everything you know if there’s more.
I will check into it.
Then, I may send the detective a copy of the movie The Pledge.
B
J2K All:
Thank you for your well articulated posts that further provided a clearer understanding and interpretation to the infamous quote by Radar……..Location, location, location. Also 2 excendrines (extra strength of course) and good nights sleep does the trick!
Also, once again you brought a smile to my face, while reading your Winston Wolfe comment.
*Pulp Fiction was a fav movie of mine, and also an awseome soundtrack. J2K, you can keep the goblet…….you are on a roll:
(Clink) Here’s to Winston Wolfe:
The Wolf: That’s thirty minutes away. I’ll be there in ten.
The Wolf: You’re… Jimmie, right? This is your house?
Jimmie: Sure is.
The Wolf: I’m Winston Wolfe. I solve problems.
Jimmie: Good, we got one.
The Wolf: So I heard. May I come in?
Jimmie: Uh, yeah, please do.
No.1 A juvenile will never be Id’d in any court papers, and it is sealed if they must testify. Same with any media accounts.
If he has been charged, it is public record. That individual has no right or cause to say what gets held in any capacity.
What you have told me so far is not jibing, but there may be more going on.
Have you run an RSO check in the area and checked for a match?
B
sherlock says:
May 13, 2010 at 3:17 am
Blink said -
“Do you see that those 2 profiles continue to re-emerge in this case?
B”
Yes, the upper class kids from good schools being associated with “other side of the tracks” kids or persons. In other words, two classes of people which, other than the drive thru window at Wendy’s, would likely never interact.
It’s the same in conspiracy research when you get a low class loser like Oswald hanging out with millionaire H.L. Hunt or De Morganschild.
This is a red flag that something hinky is going on.
In this case, the question is why would Morgan or her friends know or hang out with non-college lower class locals? What’s the connection?
And also now G.H. for that matter.
The answer – drugs of course. G.H. had to buy his drugs from someone.
You see, the preppy kids want the drugs, but no way will they take the risk to sell, make or distribute them. They have to turn to the
other side of the tracks for people who WILL take those risks and provide them the illegal pills (I believe prescription meds will likely be the drug of choice underneath a WHOLE lot of what is going on in SW Virg. right now, not pot or mushrooms).
Pills are where the profit is right now, and the younger people think
pills like Oxy are cooler in status that good old pot.
Just to clarify, I don’t believe Morgan had a drug problem at all. Did she indulge? Probably. Not the key issue here.
But I believe Morgan crossed paths with some very shady people in C-ville, and one of them she “knew” could be the guy who gave her the ride.
It’s cold and raining, she’s desperate for a ride – then she sees
lamebrain drug dealer or slacker “Joe” and decides he’s better than nobody and gets in the car. After all, she’s seen him at lots of local shows, he’s friends with all the bands (guess why???) and he seems like a harmless loser.
Drugs form connections between individuals who would have nothing in common otherwise. Think about it.
What if the FBI or DEA was right in the middle of a big undercover investigation into illegal meds rings in the area. And then Morgan gets killed by someone who is involved in the ring. But if they arrest him now, it will blow the cover on a bigger investigation they have going. Could that be why we’ve heard nothing for 7 months?
Understandable, but frustrating if true.
Sherlock
This is exactly what I believe is going on in this case.
Hypothetically, and with no direct accusations or allegations to any particular individual:
Sound of Phone Ringing
Bad Guy #1: I effed Up, something Very bad happened and I need your help right now.
Bad Guy #2: I ain’t going near that shit bro, you got money, use it.
Bad Guy #1: Yeah, I got money, and lots for ya, but if I go down, they find out who you are, and you go down with me. Who do you think gets out of this?
Bad Guy #2: Let me make some calls and I will be right there.
2 Profiles, same result.
B
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100% agree with this. Last night I was watching an E Investigates show: Rich Kids Who Kill. I kept running the above scenario over and over in my head last night. They showed the story of Dana Ewell (rich kid) and Joel Radovich (poor kid). It was such a strange combination for a friendship. However, I believe Dana felt Joel was easy manipulated. It could be a likely scenario that a student coming from wealth has made a not so likely friend with his dealer. The student may have been the one who originally got Morgan to come with him. They meet the dealer from the wrong side of the tracks, he may or may not be involved in the murder, but seeing that he is local he does help with the cover up. They have now formed a bond. One of convenience for the killer, and one of acceptance for the kid from the wrong side of the tracks. I still have to believe that it was a local that knew the ins and outs of AF. Just because someone partied at house nearby, I don’t think they would have grand knowledge of the land. It was most likely a quick decision to dump Morgan there. A close by piece of land that you can get to pretty easily without being seen. Prime location in the dumper’s mind, seeing that they do not want to be in possession of a corpse for very long. He may have hunted there or has known people that have. Drugs perhaps fueling their ideas, they come up with idea to plant her stuff around town. Not smart in my eyes, however in a drug induced state of mind they may have thought the idea was genius!! Cocaine can give someone the feeling of being untouchable. I don’t know why but an idea along this line has got my head spinning. I so badly want closure for the Harrington’s, Cville and everyone here. I can’t stand the thought of this crime going unpunished. It’s already been too long!
Blink, I’m hoping today you will let me advertise today’s red message. It is for all locals.
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2638&page=26
Today’s red message is a thinker. It’s not really for Red to read. It’s for all the locals. I wrote it in red because I want him to see it and worry. But I want everyone else to think about it. Wonder about those questions. Someone has some answers. Someone knows who has had some strange reactions. Someone knows who has changed. Someone knows.
It doesn’t matter who it is. Call the police and tell. Let them sort it out.
434-352-3467
434-709-1685
Morgan is gone. The killer is here. Still alive. It is a small inconvenience to have to talk to the police. If you think someone was acting strangely, make the call.
Call him and express your concern politely. Arrest or not a summons is issued, and that is public record.
Tell him you would like to check out this guys background out of an abundance of concern.
B
So Blink, were the lack of buzzards and the time of the fire in parallel?
No because the fire was Jan. 26th. It is my belief Morgan was placed in AF by the am of October 18.
B
Would it make sense that if GH had any knowledge of Morgan’s murder, no matter how remote, now would be the time for him to use that knowlege to make a deal and help himself? Or is it too early for that?
Depends on whether or not he was involved, or fears implication.
I am going to just say this because I am tired of dancing around it-
ANY LEO, in any jurisdiction worth their salt, will tell you, off the record, unless this kid was already ruled out prior to his arrest for the murder of Yeardley Love, he became a POI immediately until either evidence is developed to link him or rule him out. It is that bloody simple. Does that mean he did it, or knows who did?
No.
What it means is that unless there is a physical evidentiary reason to preclude him that was existant prior to his arrest, he will be looked at for Morgan’s case for any nexis.
VSP would be negligent otherwise, and if he is not involved, and there is only what ends up to be a circumstantial case against a perp one day, that defense attorney is going to have a field day.
My point?
It isn’t about our NEED TO KNOW.
It is about a successful prosecution.
If I am wrong, and VSP took the purse finder at face value and did not investigate the circumstances of the find, I will lead the torch lighting ceremony.
B
By now, LE has to know who she was texting from inside and outside the arena before the battery “came out” of her phone.
If I understand the “finding” of the purse and cell phone, it seems they were found together in the same place BUT was the phone in the purse?
Was the battery ever found?
Possibilities About the Missing Cellphone Battery:
1. In her “altered state” she may have dropped the phone and the battery fell out. In the dark, she couldn’t find the battery and puts the now useless phone into her purse. Or she couldn’t find either and they (the phone & its battery) were left lying in the field but not close enough for “whoever” found them to see both.
2. Perhaps, something within those texts or just in mere frustration over her predicament she got mad and threw her phone. She realizes that was stupid and goes to pick up the phone but can’t find the battery,
3. If she hid something under the battery (I think this is far-fetched)and if she retrieved whatever was under the battery, why not put the phone back together? Where is the battery? Where is her camera? Where are her socks and stockings. (Norma, the newspaper lady said she was wearing a jacket and no stockings.)
About that jacket: If the report/witness (Norma) is to be believed:
Whose Jacket was she wearing?
Where is that Jacket? (Did LE take GH’s jacket?)
Did her shirt get soiled or damaged and so she wore someone’s jacket out of that room…fully expecting to go back and get it when it dried out or when they came back?
Maybe she left with those guys to go back find/retrieve her purse, etc. Maybe the group went their separate ways and she walked off to the field with one or two of them who said they had a car there. She gets in their car which is at the field and then the infamous sh!t hits the fan.
Someone who resides or was in that room, on campus, comes across the shirt and at some point realizes…”something ‘happened’ to that girl who was wearing this shirt. I’m not going down for this. That/those f’ers…the best thing I can do is put it somewhere that will lead the cops to them…without getting pulled into this sh!t” So, said “decent guy or girl” dumps the shirt, in an obvious way, near or in front of a building where the other guy/guys reside. Then he/she walks away thinking, “Problem solved…except for that Newspaper Lady…Damn good thing the cops don’t believe her.”
If a juvenile is charged as an adult it can be made part of public record.
Even before a proper trial and conviction the names of juveniles have been making the news. It happens all the time in both Virginia and DC. Just this past month, in the mass shooting case here in DC, the exonerated juvie suspect was outed by both the police and the media.
Now, if the crime is a misdemeanor and/or the suspect was charged, in any crime, as a juvenile then chances of getting an arrest record will be slim to none.
Sorry, I was helping a reader in an o/t case, it has nothing to do with a juvenile offender.
B