Beauty and The Beast: The Predictable Murder of Yeardley Love By George Huguely
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Charlottesville, VA- At approximately 9 PM the evening of May 2nd, George Huguely, V left a golf outing he drank at all day, visibly intoxicated according to fellow attendees. It was the beginning of the end of a rancorous binge drinking track record for the prodigal son of George and Marta (Sanson Murphy) Huguely.
It was the gruesome end for star athlete Yeardley Reynolds Love.
Yeardley said ITS OVER to the heir of Huguely’s family’s century old lumber business and spent the last weeks of her life in fear George would make good on his threats.
Sources inside the circle of Love and her family have stated that the most recent threats and public observation of the couple occurred at Huguely’s former frat, Delta Kappa Epsilon.
Following this incident, Yeardley left campus and stayed at her Cockeysville home where her Mother, Sharon Donnelly Love, begged her to file a police report.
Yeardley refused as she did not want it to interrupt the last weeks of both teams winning seasons. She believed because the last scene was so public Huguely would have no choice but to back off for fear of compromising his status on the UVA mens team.
For anyone unsure about the locker room brethren, as reported by NY Daily News:
A former Virginia student who was friends with both Love and Huguely described a disturbing incident in which Huguely recently reportedly attacked Love, then had no recollection of it the next day, which precipitated their final breakup. “He was really messed up and punched a window of a car on the way over to her apartment that night,” the friend said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of consideration for Love’s family. The friend said Huguely had been seen breaking bottles at another party before Love’s death and had told people he was going to her apartment to get Love back.
D K E
While Huguely is not listed as an active brother on DKE roster, this Falls newsletter touts an impressive Rush week which rounds out the Dekes with 14 Varsity Athletes; 12 of them from the men’s Lacrosse team. The DKE roster has not been updated to reflect active brothers since 2008 and an email request to alumni affairs director Ian Graham has not been returned. The DKE facebook account has been deleted.
By all accounts, in retrospect, Yeardley’s murder was a predictable incident. Preventable.
Not inasmuch as it could have been foreseen per se, but Generation George was a time bomb.
Incidents abound from his days in Palm Beach where he jumped ship after an argument with Generation G4 whereby he swam to shore as well as his arrest for drunken swearing and THREATENING TO KILL A COP WITH A SIDE OF RACIAL SLUR in November 2008.
There are 8 UVA Men’s Lacrosse members that have had alcohol related arrests in the last two years.
Nationally ranked 2008 Team Captain Will Barrow stunned the entire lacrosse community when he committed suicide two weeks after Huguely’s Rockbridge County arrest.
Ryan Nizolek, #24, was arrested in High School for smuggling steroids into the US from Mexico on a family vacation and brought them to school in a Rolaids bottle.
As the news broke of Yeardley’s murder I have been inundated with emails and texts from several UVA students and their family members that have been admonished not to speak publicly, not to accept new facebook friends and not to answer any questions from the media on or off campus.
The paradox of telling the grieving and concerned matriculation to effectively zip it, after doing just that may have cost Yeardley Love her life, is absurd.
A witness who observed the last physical confrontation between Love and Huguely email excerpt to blinkoncrime.com provided on the condition of anonymity:
…”You have to understand.. He is a big dude with a bigger personality. If anyone has ever told him no, I am not aware of it. It was obvious she did not want him near her. She told him that, and it took 3 of us to hold him back. She was a little thing and she put on a good face, but I walked away feeling like that was not over. I said to lax(xx) that asshole is going to get himself killed or kill somebody. He was nicer on the turf for f*cks sake, I didn’t get it…..”
We are all obsessed about our last year in the game. Everyone parties like rock stars because half of us have more money than rock stars. Well, our parents do.
That is bullshit about him not being a Deke, btw. He beat up a fellow brother in his sleep drunk off his ass one night because he was sleeping on the couch he wanted to sit on, or go to bed on or whatever- He was booted and his friends wanted to stay. That pissed him off royally. His Dad partied with us once in a while. I remember wishing he was my Dad, and then I saw those two go at it. I would still have been cool with a Dad that is that loaded, but not if it meant Huge was my bro.
It wasn’t so much that he was raging all the time. It was weird. It was more like he was 2 diff people. You know what I mean? Like a mood swing on crack. DON’T publish I said he was on crack. Roids for sure and there was mention of an 8 the day of the murder. It was almost like he felt like he was insulted when he was around better players than him. He loved the sport but he had no respect for anyone if they were better in the X.
Do I think anyone intervening could have stopped a murder? I am not sure if that is a fair question or a set up.
My Mom asked me the same thing. I told her I did not get it. There is tons of Hoo Pumpers everywhere, especially this season. I never saw him without some chick, so I don’t get that part. He was a big clamper I heard though, if he didn’t have something cookin. It was not like he could not **** anyone he wanted. He was always like .. Give and Go Bro, everytime I saw him and I had a date. Tell me if you don’t know the lingo but I think you might. I heard ya got skills.
Lol, I am aware that only happens in college before you say something lecture-like.
I really wish I knew that nobody knew what was going on with him. We woulda pulled that scared straight shit on him. Like his version, shop at target instead of Abercrombie for the rest of his life no beach houses. That mighta been harsh of me to say before now. We just hate what he did to his girl, and our last year. I worked my ass off, we all did, and it should have been our thing to remember. Instead, it is fu***** lockdown.
I have reviewed UVA Athletic Director Craig Littlepage quotes on the matter.
Frankly, as an editorial, that verbiage would not have flown from any coach I have ever had, or respected, regardless of the sport.
“They never told me, nothing was reported to me” is the equivalent of ignorance of the law, which is no defense.
How do 8 arrests and a suicide, among other “not so documentable” infractions NOT constitute a red flag, or an intervention?
Safety does not come with a price tag. It comes from accountability and awareness. Huguely posted bond following his arrest on November 15, 2008.
Somebody had to know he was incarcerated. He had a public defender in that case so the question is– Who posted it and how was the fact he was off campus for a few days prior to the Thanksgiving break missed by his coaches?
At the time of this writing, the Virginia Commonwealth has issued an order sealing the search warrants in this case retroactively.
While the justification of that request by Charlottesville Police has not been released, it is an unusual move in a case that has not even seen its first bond hearing or an indictment.
Could it mean that Huguely is connected to the murder of Morgan Harrington?
Virginia State Police, who maintains jurisdiction in the Harrington case is emphatic it is not.
..”It was a Lacrosse player who discovered the purse. However, there is no evidence to indicate any connection between Morgan or the Love homicide. .. There is no connection between these two homicides, so I am not going to even entertain the additional questions. We are not identifying the individual who found the purse…” Corrine Geller, PR Manager VSP to blinkoncrime.com
Morgan’s purse was located by an unidentified male lacrosse player on the way to boarding the bus to an exhibition match in Annapolis, MD.
We have a player accused of first degree murder that by his own statements has had violent encounters with others he has not remembered.
We have players with land connections to the area of North Garden as well an individual who has personally preformed site survey work on Blandemar and Anchorage Farm.
Have all the Lacrosse players been questioned about the circumstances of finding the posession of a missing and murdered woman who was last seen on the UVA campus?
The cases may be may be unrelated.
The Harrington’s buried their daughter Morgan.
The Love family is burying their daughter Yeardley.
Isn’t it time for a little disclosure as to whether or not these lingering questions have been asked and answered?
Yeardley Love, will receive her Bachelor’s Degree in Political Science with a minor in Spanish posthumously with her class from the University of Virginia.
Love’s family and friends begin receiving those wishing to pay their respects today where she will also be laid to rest tomorrow, in Maryland.
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Blink, has there been any recent progress with any POI in this case?
Suz: I am fairly new to posting here and i just need a definition, please. What are you referring to as “HH” in this paragraph.
Suz said: “Cops searched for her, but prolly leaned towards her being a runaway even with the dropped purse since there was no evidence of foul play, so maybe didn’t search quite as hard as they could have. Or maybe they searched their hearts out but had such scant evidence—what with her apparent HH with person or persons unknown—”
In the context of the mention “HH”, I first thought you were referencing her texting someone…as in a “Hokie hookup” but that is just a guess. Is that what “HH” stands for? If not can you fill me in?
hitch hiking
B
Mom3.0
I wasn’t suggesting that you were unsympathetic to Phoebe Prince, just that nothing is likely to happen to a teacher/administrator who fails to report abuse, even though they are required to report.
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Historically, assault has not been considered an honor violation at UVA.
A quote from a 2004 article in The Hook, in the context of sexual assault, should clear this up:
“One of the most bitter ironies for UVA rape victims is that the school seems to reserve its harshest penalties not for sexual predators, but for students who violate the Honor Code, an antebellum proscription against lying, cheating, and stealing. Honor offenses can include such things as copying a classmate’s French homework or stealing a bicycle. Honor violators draw just one penalty: immediate and permanent expulsion.
In the past three years, that single sanction has sent 38 UVA students packing, according to Honor Committee data.
In the same span, 60 UVA students reported they’d been sexually assaulted, many by fellow students. Yet, according to various sources in the UVA administration, not one sexual offender has been expelled or even suspended from the school in the past five years, a fact that has outraged many people– not just victims and their families.
‘That someone can be found guilty of rape and remain at UVA is unacceptable,’ says Kyle Boynton, president of Sexual Assault Peer Advocacy, a group of UVA students trained to assist victims of sexual assault.”
http://www.readthehook.com/Stories/2004/11/11/coverHowUvaTurnsItsBackOnR.html
See also,
http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/campus_assault/articles/entry/1838/#ruling
regarding issues in this area.
The reality is that Universities have their own police forces that usually refuse to turn jurisdiction over to the primary police force within the jurisdiction. The universities then discourage the prosecutors from getting involved and handle the cases through their own judicial systems, rather than the criminal courts.
In 2006, a bill was introduced making a jurisdiction’s primary police force the lead investigators in medically unattended deaths and alleged rapes, but it failed.
http://www.richmondsunlight.com/bill/2006/hb154/
I have a Quetion.
Other than the upcoming Thanksgiving Break, what was going on, around November 17th, the day the shirt was discovered in the bush?
What news was breaking at the time?
Had The Harringtons made any public pleas within the preceding days or hours?
Was there a rumour of random dorm checks?
When my daughter was living in “campus housing” it was not uncommon for RAs to run random checks/searches for alcohol. The word would spread fast through the dorms.
What were Crime boards discussing at the time?
Perhaps whatever was being made public about this case, in or around the date when the shirt turned up, may have a significant relation to why the shirt was left in the bush and on that particular day.
to the wonderful J2K — I only have a few mins. on break from work, but I wanted to address this first and then I’ll settle down to read.
J2 queried >>Oh, and to this, mizz skyler:
“J2k, if you read this — give me your thoughts — I’m always interested as to why I am wrong –”
Are you directing that at moi..? : )
(deserved) <<<
No, no, no — not what I meant at all : ) — as we all know, I have a tendancy to get on a one-way train and get stuck there until something convinces me I should get off at the next stop —
I was asking for you assistance and analysis of my current line of thinking — and I thank you for that. It did open my eyes, as it were, to new possibilities that GH had nothing to do w/ Morgan — so I’ve decided to step off at the next platform and do some local sight-seeing.
It is impossible to describe — until you go there and see it for yourself — even w/ great pix and video provided by everyone who’s been out there — I did not step foot on any Blandemar or AF property, except for property immediately adjacent to Red Hill – there’s a pull off on the road — and I believe that property may be owned or an easement of DMV.
I strongly believe the FBI, via VSP’s Lt. Rader, is correct in “location, location, location” — but I’m still on the one-way train that location does not mean AF — it means Blandemar — in my very early youth I was a cheerleader — so, I know what a football field feels like (you have to run up and down them as the team moves) — at the end of that little cul de sac is Chopin Rd — that little gravel driveway type road — the middle of the dark dark night all you have to do is drive quietly into the cul de sac — you are not hampered by gates — yet — pull over, get her body out of your car, and carry her about the length of two football fields — climb over the fence and place her in the tree line and then book it outta there —
of course, it is possible entry was Gate No. 1 on Red Hill — but that would involve someone pulled over, “fiddling” w/ the gate lock, opening the cow gate — then driving your car up to that field — leaving very obvious tracks — and — due to the rain, there would be obvious muddy tire tracks on the roadway on Red Hill — and I dare to say, those same tracks in the tall grass may have still been visible in Jan. when her body was discovered — I just don’t think that’s the point of ingress when Blandemar is so much simpler.
The next question is: was the crime scene inside a car, or inside some type of structure, or outside in the elements. I certainly have no way to verify this, but it’s been reported the injuries to Morgan’s body were done antemortem — prior to death —
Citing Blink’s thought of possibly right church, wrong pew, did any of the other LAX players have a history of violence ? I also still can’t rule out the possibility of a female killer who picked up an object like a baseball bat and began to “swing away” —
Irrespective of the “who,” we’re still left w/ the “what,” and the “what” is poor Morgan’s cremated ashes mixed w/ cement in the foundation of an educational wing of the school in Africa, heartbroken parents and sibling and family and friends (which includes us, by now) and potentially a killer still on the loose somewhere in the area of Cvlle, Albemarle.
Thanks, my Ja-girl friend, for your always analytical thoughts : )
Well, to answer my own question, I see that on November 16th, 2009, the UVA today site:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BGSj71wuVjkJ:www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php%3Fid%3D10351+Morgan+harrington,+November+16,+2010&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Announced that the VSP released two more bits of information. They stated that she was seen hitchhiking on Copely Bridge and that she was wearing a distinctive crystal necklace. A picture of the Swarovski Crystal Necklace was also released on or about November 16th!
This information was also broadcast on National News Channels.
24.Rnmom says:
May 12, 2010 at 9:35 pm
B,
Do you remember if the person that found Morgan’s purse physically took it in or did they call it in from a blue phone or somewhere else?
Has not been disclosed.
B
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Is this information being withheld to protect identities? Would this be in the UVA crime report logs? How would we, the general public find this answer? Is this information considered classified? If anyone (Observer, Sky) knows if there is a specific reason or where we need to look to find the answers, please share.
TIA.
Case Sensitive, I have requested add’l information and that is what I got.
B
I hate to follow someone further off topic…
katie (May 13 @ 10:20 am)– The case you referenced in D.C… it was my understanding that the media released the name of the juvenile charged, which wasn’t supposed to have been done. As a result, when he was cleared of involvement the police purposefully acknowledged his name and innocence to try to counteract the effects of the media’s initial release of his name. I don’t think any of this was standard, or in the case of the media’s initial release, the way things are supposed to happen.
If I am wrong, and VSP took the purse finder at face value and did not investigate the circumstances of the find, I will lead the torch lighting ceremony.
B
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How do we know
For now, I am assuming, based on known facts and a few non-public.
B
Jamas (May 13 @ 9:54 am): So Blink, were the lack of buzzards and the time of the fire in parallel?
Blink: No because the fire was Jan. 26th. It is my belief Morgan was placed in AF by the am of October 18.
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I’m starting to wonder if Morgan was buried, not very deeply, which would have prevented the buzzards from detecting her remains and circling. Then, the rains and/or melting snow brought her body back to the surface. Its also possible that animals caught her scent if she wasn’t buried deeply and dug until she was exposed again and could be found.
If this were the case, then it just gives more for friends and family of the BG to reflect on. If he didn’t just carry her there and dump her, but buried her, someone might recall an acquaintance having tools or a shovel in his car/truck or having retrieved or returned such items from the basement/tool shed around October 17-18.
26.George says:
May 12, 2010 at 9:56 pm
“George- can you substantiate the families monetary contributions?
If not, I am going to need to strike that.”
B, It was reported that the family was in a certain “tier” of annual contributors. An upcoming UVa “father and son” golf tournament was sponsored by the UVa booster organization which had sliced up the donors into groups characterized by the amount of their annual contributions (which is itself….sick).
I will try and get more specific and get back to you.
That will work Good Sir-
B
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Not sure if this is connected to UVA but GH III contributions to Monticello: page 3
http://www.monticello.org/press/newsletter/2009/01/GiftRptSmr09.pdf
Sherlock, so nice to see you again. I have missed your insights. I found myself shaking my head yes to every sentence in your post- I can certainly see LE- investigating a drug ring and even with Morgan’s murder, continuing on, in an effort to capture the worst of the worst and ensure a successful prosecution in Morgan’s case.
When searching for articles regarding GH’s case, and Yeardley’s murder, I came across this piece, on an earlier attack on campus.
I am wondering what happened in this case and if the culprits were successfully prosecuted, at the time, the investigation was ongoing-
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/13629/tech-reacts-to-anti-gay-attack
Sherlock, B, et al – re: The Ties that Bind
(Sherlock said:) “Drugs form connections between individuals who would have nothing in common otherwise.”
Agreed, and an excellent point. B fleshes this theory out to a convincing degree here:
“This is exactly what I believe is going on in this case.
Hypothetically, and with no direct accusations or allegations to any particular individual:
Sound of Phone Ringing
Bad Guy #1: I effed Up, something Very bad happened and I need your help right now.
Bad Guy #2: I ain’t going near that shit bro, you got money, use it.
Bad Guy #1: Yeah, I got money, and lots for ya, but if I go down, they find out who you are…
Bad Guy #2: Let me make some calls and I will be right there.
2 Profiles, same result. ~B”
One thought I’ve had – in regard to how a second individual became directly involved (if that proves to be the case) – is that, if something happened to Morgan at the hands of BG-1 at his friend’s/dealer’s residence/party house/drug-den, a theoretical BG-2 would be forcibly drawn into the situation as to quickly remove her and the crime scene from *his* abode, where possibly *other* under-the-radar illicit activities were on the regular.
(Chad, I’m picturing the scene in Pulp Fiction with Vincent and the dope dealer freaking-out but frantically working together as they dealt with the OD’d Mrs.-Mia-Wallace – in order to save both their asses. … *Ed. note – I do not believe MH OD’d*)
The accomplice/co-conspirator may have known The Place – “right down the road, but no one will ever find her there – middle of nowhere!” And if this was the way things went down, or the two actors were not at the same location when MH was killed but BG-1 called his local connect (BG-2) for help because they’d broken the law together before, as B suggests – once MH was actually found (to their mutual chagrin), the location may have screamed “it was a local!!!” but BG-2 was tied to the *location*, not the actual homicide.
Thus, running down a list of the Usual Suspects in North Garden or Crozet has been to no avail… thus far, that is.
suz – re: “Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy – if a cow had the chance, he’d kill you and everyone you care about.”
(Sorry for the nonsequitor subject-line, but after all I’ve learned about recklessly tromping, disrespectful cows from you, that “Troy McClure” Simpsons line about the benefits of meat production makes me fondly think of you.)
(suz:) “j2k, just because the cops missed morgan lying there in the open when they did their flyovers, and bass and friends missed the circling buzzards… doesn’t mean that the loner weirdo perp did a brilliant job — just got lucky i think. He was smart in acting alone, as there is no one to tell on him.”
I hope I did not imply that I think the perp to be highly cunning, suz – because it’s clear to me we’re dealing with a brute amateur who perhaps got a little help. And dude(s) should be advised that luck only lasts so long.
Lastly, an O/T (sort of) to Chad:
…
Vincent: A “please” would be nice.
The Wolf: Come again?
Vincent: I said a “please” would be nice.
The Wolf: Get it straight, Buster. I’m not here to say “please”. I’m here to tell you what to do. And if self-preservation is an instinct you possess, you better f%@king do it and do it quick. I’m here to help. If my help’s not appreciated, lots of luck, gentlemen.
…
Vincent: Look, Mr. Wolfe, I respect you. I just don’t like people barking orders at me, that’s all.
The Wolf: If I’m curt with you, it’s because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast, and I need you two guys to act fast if you want to get out of this. So pretty please, with sugar on top, clean the f%@king car.
Love Harvey.
Yep, J2K, you hit it.
You have to connect one to the school that starts with a “U”.
You have to connect the other with AF”.
You have to find the leverage points.
It is not going to come the usual way when you already applied occams and you ended up being in rural east Jabip 3 months later.
B
This blog uses some very poorly backed up facts, and some irresponsible insinuations. This is a very tragic case and this monster was not a DKE. Generalizing his actions as relating to the entire lacrosse team is also unfair– this incident goes way beyond issues taken with irresponsible college athletes, which is a prevalent issue at almost every school. And to have an organization that this criminal has no relation to as the header for a paragraph is really irresponsible. I am not sure exactly who authors this site but its information is definitely suspect, although such is the world of blogs.
Whoever that anonymous source is, they are a terrible, terrible person. The real focus here should be on establishing ways to protect victims like Ms. Love in the future and looking at how these situations get out of hand, not making inaccurate allegations.
You realize your making an allegation that this piece is inaccurate without a fact to back it up, right?
I know this is an unpopular black eye.
That said, EXPOSING the information is critical to PREVENTING it from reoccurring, which is what is being done here.
I think it is safe to say the ole “let’s keep this amongst ourselves” approach was not working.
B
Talking about movies – leaving a shirt behind even though it may preserve DNA evidence reminded me of Silence of the Lambs.
What you call my opinion, is in fact Virginia law. Period. It’s not my interpretation, it is LAW. Black and white – person gets arrested for a violent felony, dna is taken, dna ran thru CODIS, kept in a database till arrestee is found innocent, then it is deleted. It is kept in the data base if convicted.
By the way, I see mention of a lack of buzzards being mentioned as a possible way of dating when Morgan ended up at AF. In that part of Virginia, buzzards are like clouds in the sky. A local would never note the prescence or lack of them on any particular day.
Ross, You cannot keep posting out of context and expect to be taken seriously.
You provided the statute that supported my statement. Then you said.. I dont know what Blink meant..
And provided YOUR interpretation.
You could sit around and wait for me to be wrong all day. I have no problem with that.
As you commented your quite familiar with the activities of buzzards so your impression of one is duly noted.
B
to concerns
If you so disagree so much with this site, then may I ask what you are doing on here with the rest of us????
This is a d–n good blog and we are here for justice. Adios.
Has everyone met my Guard Dog, Barney?
lol
B
Blink, sorry — I am a senior citizen and I just hate it when others come on here and make silly remarks. I do believe they have an agenda of sorts to stir up things.
You did nothing wrong friend, I was teasing you, and your right, they do.
Hugs
B
katie,
I’m not sure of the exact date the shirt was found. Some say Nov 5; media reports have Nov 11. I do know in going back over some old threads, Nov 5 is the day Assane Sene missed basketball practice and was subsequently disciplined for conduct detrimental to the team. Just saying.
http://www.mydailyprogress.com/index.php/whiteysworld/article/sene_suspended/
blink:
80% of the time.
Ok, would he/they have been on Morgan’s facebook?
I had to ask.
I have her Facebook cached, so I would say no.
B
Blink….didn’t you mention once about if you don’t clean up your own backyard, someone else will do it for you?….
Let the mudslinging/fingerpointing/politics begin…
http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=12477866
Police Chiefs Question Proposed Law Change
Posted: May 13, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
Updated: May 13, 2010 3:31 PM EDT
Yeardley Love
George HuguelyVirginia police chiefs are raising serious questions about University of Virginia President John Casteen’s call for state law changes in the wake of Yeardley Love’s murder. The chiefs say a new mandate from Richmond could cause big problems with minimal benefits.
Ok Y’all.
I am going to make this wicked simple.
Please remember to credit me with this idea, because once it flies from here in about 3 seconds, I would like to be reminded that I have actually had a good idea or two on occasion .
This needs to be mandated by NCAA, period. That is the ONLY WAY this gets through.
Here goes:
If you want to recruit athletes to your school, you and THEY ( undersigned) will agree to become part of a National database by school and or region.
If at such a time you are arrested for any misdemeanor or felony, an email generated by your SS# will be forwarded to the Athletic Director of your sponsoring institution and the protocols governing your schools policy for said infractions will be employed.
The End.
You wanna Play? You gotta Pay.
Safety First.
B
17.barney1 says:
May 13, 2010 at 2:49 pm
to concerns
If you so disagree so much with this site, then may I ask what you are doing on here with the rest of us????
This is a d–n good blog and we are here for justice. Adios.
Has everyone met my Guard Dog, Barney?
lol
B
18.barney1 says:
May 13, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Blink, sorry — I am a senior citizen and I just hate it when others come on here and make silly remarks. I do believe they have an agenda of sorts to stir up things.
You did nothing wrong friend, I was teasing you, and your right, they do.
Hugs
B
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Barney…we should all have a Guard Dog on our side!
You have Blinks back…kudos!
Blink says:
That said, I am not convinced he is “the guy”, but I think it is possible we are in wrong pew right church.
B
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As far as the good-tracks-kid/bad-tracks-punk crime-and-cover tag team… Let’s just say that non-perp-body-dumper must have owed killer BIG-Time to get involved in the disposal of a young woman’s body post-facto. I don’t even think it’s a given brotherly love goes that far.
Do you see that those 2 profiles continue to re-emerge in this case?
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Should we look at the pew of basketball??
barney1 deserves a Blink biscuit! Yes, agenda hogs and haters always find a way to make this about them.
Blink do you think the efforts to get the motion to seal and/or the motion that orders the motions be sealed unsealed will be successful?
Ok Y’all.
I am going to make this wicked simple.
Please remember to credit me with this idea, because once it flies from here in about 3 seconds, I would like to be reminded that I have actually had a good idea or two on occasion .
This needs to be mandated by NCAA, period. That is the ONLY WAY this gets through.
Here goes:
If you want to recruit athletes to your school, you and THEY ( undersigned) will agree to become part of a National database by school and or region.
If at such a time you are arrested for any misdemeanor or felony, an email generated by your SS# will be forwarded to the Athletic Director of your sponsoring institution and the protocols governing your schools policy for said infractions will be employed.
The End.
You wanna Play? You gotta Pay.
Safety First.
B
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Blink, Good idea but it cannot work. The NCAA doesn’t have the power to make courts do anything. This can only work through a law from the state legislature (for each state). I hope the Virginia legislature does it. Also, I think it is the normal students more than the athletes who the universities will learn more about through such a law.
Great Point-
Except, NCAA has every power, should they adopt the rule. I promise.
B
In regards to Morgan knowing her killer, I can’t seem to get over the possibility that she didn’t know the person. The account of her linking arms with a complete stranger, not only indicates that she was not of sound mind, but specifies that she may have even had somewhat of a “trusting” disposition. That is, if you believe the “Kickee’s” story…
I do remember reading an account, although not oficially reported so it may be inaccurate, that indicated that Morgan told a group of individuals that offered her assistance outside the arena to “eff” off. Understanding her state of mind a bit more clearly now (being locked out of the concert, the fight with the friends), I could understand such a reaction. The two accounts, however, conflict in my mind. Seemingly two different personalities were present.
I am not entirely sure, however, if it even matters at this point. The fact remains, we, and possibly LE, are unsure what, specifically, happened that evening and who she left with. We are not even sure if she was forcibly abducted, or left voluntarily. The more time that passes on, however, the more I am inclined to believe that she did leave with a stranger, or was forced to do so.
gimme an “s!”… gimme a “k!”….gimme a “y!”…
sky –
Your Blandemar entry-point theory is solid, and I trust your observational skillz, which have been your superlative here since the get-go (Most Likely to Notice and Recall the Smallest of Details: skyler, Class of ’10).
You noted: “… — at the end of that little cul de sac is Chopin Rd — that little gravel driveway type road — the middle of the dark dark night all you have to do is drive quietly into the cul de sac — you are not hampered by gates — yet — pull over, get her body out of your car, and carry her about the length of two football fields — climb over the fence and place her in the tree line and then book it outta there — …”
When MH was first found, looking at aerials of the site it seemed obvious that the way you’re describing must have been the way the watershed/tree-patch traiangle-tip was reached. At some point over the months that followed, I was blown in a different direction – and then, when Cheez Whiz floated toward the top of the (informal) POI list we got going on here and Bass replaced the fence just off of Red Hill at Monhecan Trail Road, it seemed “obvious” that he/the perp entered the properties from the gate just before the little bridge.
But you have a way of swaying my perception, sky-sky… That said, if the entryway was off Chopin via the cul-de-sac (which, again, crime-scene investigators were seen examining in the days after she was found), it shifts the profile(s) into slightly clearer focus.
Who would be familiar with Blandemar Farm Estates (built largely circa 2001)? If the perp/co-conspirator is around the age of 19-22 (speculatively speaking, natch), that would put him between the ages of 11 and 13 when the back-end of AF and portions of BF became accessible for youthful exploring/trespassing. (I imagine sprawling, privately owned, intraversible farmland in the 1990s before it was sold to a developer for residential subdivision growth.)
I wonder whose adolescent years were spent within biking/walking distance of said cul-de-sac… and, in turn, the rolling hills, climbable trees, and south fork of the Hardware River that punctuate AF and BF in that border-blended area? Who in his/their youth, praytell, “discovered” a certain sweet, secluded, tree-shrouded, fort-worthy clump of land surrounding a narrow tributary shooting off the river…?
starbucks-
No worries- If our children can get expelled for bringing toy guns to school or for writing short stories that Stephen King would be proud to author, then I think zero tolerance should most definitely be reinforced towards teachers and administrators. They should lose their jobs in situations like Phoebe’s, where every one knew of the abuse and did nothing. By the way, these bullies were also in sports- what better way to nip it in the bud, than prevent them from playing- it may have saved Phoebe’s life, who knows. I hope her parents sue the district.
(cont.)…
So, to B – who submitted:
“You have to connect one to the school that starts with a ‘U’.
You have to connect the other with ‘AF’.
You have to find the leverage points.
It is not going to come the usual way when you already applied occams and you ended up being in rural east Jabip 3 months later.~B”
Clearly this case is not adhering to the-simplest-explanation-is-best theory. Squinting in the direction B’s suggesting here, we’ve got a perp that may have grown up from his pre-teens onward in the AF area, regularly cutting onto the property; and, as he aged through his late teens, began slinging drugs to the rich kids at UVA …
… We got a rich kid at UVA who regularly bought from him (or possibly fronted him money to buy the pounds or balls or kilos or pills or whatever he was selling) – so we got possible “leverage.”
Now the names just need to be matched with the profiles. Easy!
(I kid.)
All that said, B – what’s pushing your cheese toward a UVA student?
oh, and a post-script to your proposal:
“… If you want to recruit athletes to your school, you and THEY
(undersigned) will agree to become part of a National database by school and or region.
If at such a time you are arrested for any misdemeanor or felony, an email generated by your SS# will be forwarded to the Athletic Director of your sponsoring institution and the protocols governing your schools policy for said infractions will be employed.”
I went to the DMV awhile back because I lost my driver’s license, and as I waited with $12 for a duplicate, something popped up in the system indicating I owed money on a traffic fine from nearly 6 years prior – in another state. While I cursed the rigmarole that forced me to leave empty-handed, contact the DMV in the violation state, and pay a ticket I barely remembered getting before I could return and get a dupe in my own state of licensure – gotta say, the system works.
And if 48 *state governments* (of all entities) can forge a single, connected system to ensure that (alleged!) speeders breezing through northern New York in 2003 can never escape paying their $68 fine, well, I’m sure our lucrative institutions of higher education can figure something similar out.
Seriously, folks – you know you’ve fallen behind the times when you’re choking on the technological dust of government bureaucrats.
Double LOL at rigamoral.
I am not saying my cheese is pushed to a student, or not. I am saying a connection to U.
WRT the “alert” re athletes arrests-
Y’all I have friends in HLS. This is EASY KEASEY. Do Not let them fool you.
B
Ross, granted my friend’s Virginia farm is only 70 acres, but when we see buzzards activated, we go see what they’re circling in case it’s one of her cats, cows, or horses.
Of course.
B
Just since you asked: anyone can request info under the freedom of information act, however, if there’s an open investigation, the information requested can be w/held, which is why I believe B is also being stone-walled — VSP spokesperson Corrine Geller has stated that VSP is not releasing the name of the player.
>>Is this information being withheld to protect identities? Would this be in the UVA crime report logs? How would we, the general public find this answer? Is this information considered classified? If anyone (Observer, Sky) knows if there is a specific reason or where we need to look to find the answers, please share.
TIA.
Case Sensitive, I have requested add’l information and that is what I got.
B
Mary, here’s a quote from the VSP apr 15 news release, which I pulled off the VSP facebook page:
Recently completed testing by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science confirmed that a black T-shirt discovered Nov. 11, 2009, in the city of Charlottesville is the one Harrington was last seen wearing the night of the concert. The T-shirt, with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters across the front, was discovered by a Charlottesville resident on Nov. 11, 2009, and turned over to investigators. The T-shirt was found on 15th Street near the intersection of Grady Avenue.
Students say Huguely’s aggressive behavior was triggered by alcohol. Some of Love’s friends were “aware that George was not nice to Yeardley,” says the mother of a UVA student close to both Love and Huguely. “But she wasn’t the only one dating someone on the lacrosse team who has anger issues.” (A spokesperson for UVA’s athletic department refused to comment.)
. . . .
Craig Littlepage, UVA’s director of athletics, said that lacrosse coach Dom Starsia was also “not aware.” That did little to reassure students, many of whom had plenty to say about the lacrosse team. “They’re known for partying,” one senior tells PEOPLE. Another, who lives next to a lacrosse house, adds, “They have parties three times a week. The day after the murder, I saw them with a 12-pack of beer, a cheap one – that’s all they ever drink.”
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2010/05/13/virginia_lacrosse_killing_blake_miran
Why wasn’t Morgan’s car forensically processed as opposed to just looked at? I don’t intend this as a general rant…I want to know if anyone can provide factual, logical reasons as to why it wouldn’t have been processed.
I get that Morgan, and her friends’ prints etc would be expected to be in the car. I get that there obviously must not have been any visible sign to indicate foul play such as blood.
I get that her car was at a heavily populated concert and that any number of prints could logically have been on the outside of the car just from people walking by.
But how would they know if there weren’t prints somewhere on the inside of someone who had no logical reason to be there or connection to Morgan? Stuff like that. How would they have known that if they didn’t process the car?
It seems to me they would have had to have had some other reason that it wasn’t important for them to do it. Does anyone know for SURE that they didn’t? Does anyone know for SURE they took her car? I know what has been released – I am just wondering if what has been released is true. The shirt was wrong. The boots were wrong.
I am just thinking there HAD to be something the friends told LE – maybe something the public doesn’t know about, that justified LE not even being concerned about her car? Because otherwise, I can’t think of a reason it would make any sense.
I know it’s kinda O/T on the Yeardley thread, but that is where everyone is posting now and there is something about that that keeps nagging at me that it doesn’t add up. Thoughts anyone?
Thanks Blink for keeping Morgan and all the other cases in the public eye. So few are.
…And if the news was covered with stories that said a girl disappeared 10 miles from my friend’s farm, and we saw buzzards in the vicinity around that time, I’d think, Uh oh….
Kind of like what Bass thought when he saw he bones and immediately thought, huh, maybe it’s that missing girl.
OK, just because he is not on Morgan’s facebook, I’m gonna think that he has one or even a myspace. Cached a few myself and I didn’t even know I could do that. Just got tired of my mad copy and paste skills, oh, back some time ago. So B, should we be back with the gentlemen who last laid eyes on her or the ones that talked with her? There is a difference, we do not know if she talked to the BIB or just walked with them but we do know she talked with others.
And FWIW, I’ll give you total credit for the “Pay to Play”! I would think that it would be beneficial to those Atheletic Directors around the country.
Help them and in return they help us!
As a parent, I’ll hold my kid’s feet to the flame if ever he did any such criminal behavior with “Conduct Unbecoming” his team or the school his father and I worked so hard to get him too! And God-forbid, if he ever hurt anyone. That is a promise.
Just spent some time reading old articles and posts. This is such an unusual case. From the beginning I had the distinct feeling that Morgan was no longer alive, and that her body was hidden somewhere on the country side, which was not too difficult to guess. In any other respect I was completely wrong.
It is all stranger than fiction. Maybe it would be best to just forget about finding the most logical and direct explanation. At the beginning, I thought we were dealing with a brutal but not too intelligent person who was incredibly lucky. The recent developments led me to believe that it may be someone who had blackouts during which he would be out of control – the same mechanisms that drove GH to kill YL. Extreme physical strength and rage together with some strategic moves, just that they were not that bright, such as getting her computer, but forgetting about the cell phone and the threats he made in public and the previous assault.
Maybe we shouldn’t just look at strategy, intelligence, background knowledge and level of sophistication. It could all be obscured by either drugs or a mental disorder. Various processes are still functioning, others are basically switched off, and the result is just extremely confusing to us.
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=204817509
B, I noticed in the article provided above there is no mention of # 39 in play or IR list, do you know if he was in attendance at the Oct. 18th scrimmage in MD?
suz, how often have you seen buzzards, and gone out looking? especially onto some one else’s property? wasn’t Bass away for some time prior to Morgan being found? do you think the owners of the neighboring estates would have noticed buzzards and gone looking? I have a 40 acres farm just east of Charlottesville, with about 10 acres of woodland, my father before me was a farmer all his life, with farms running from a 420 acre farm he ran for VPI to the same 40 acres I now have. Not once did the prescence of or the lack of prescence of buzzards set off an alarm. I guess maybe we kept better track of the family pets and livestock.
I stand by my statement, that locals would not have paid attention to buzzards.
As far as noticing news stories, I recall stories of coeds jogging by themselves late at night, right at the very spot Morgan was last seen, just days after Morgan vanished, and continuing to do so today. Contrary to what some here want us to believe, the general population of Charlottesville/Albemarle is very apathetic to Morgans death.
Lawdy.
Apathetic to her death?
Aren’t you the one spending all your time not producing an original thought while chastising others?
B
A
Rnmom – regarding #39:
• Senior walk-on who joined the team during the fall
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=204871633
He may not have been part of the team at that point. Here’s a preseason article from early Feb where Starsia says he’s been on the team for a couple of months.
http://www.csnwashington.com/02/15/10/Unfinished-Business-2010-UVA-Lax-Season-/landing_09.html?blockID=180819&feedID=287
“Between the workouts, the running, the rigors of practice, Will’s life is quite different from just a few months ago,” said Starsia. “He has been a good addition to the team.”
>>28.ZAMMS says:
May 13, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Why wasn’t Morgan’s car forensically processed as opposed to just looked at? <<
Zamms, when you get an answer, clue me in — I’ve been asking that one since Oct. — the “only” thing I can surmise, if the H’s and persons from VSP went to other Metallica concert venues post 10-17; they must have been going w/ the theory she left of her own accord and was out being a little rebellious and was coming home later, hence, no crime occurred, no need to process the vehicle — of course, when they found her body on Jan. 26th — a little late to process — maybe — I watch too much CSI and NCIS where they find tiny drops of blood after taking out the seats — I don’t know if that happens in real life.
Well, sh*t. This opens up the playing field a bit, ey?
(Sports Illustrated, 5/11/10):
“… A mother close to both Love and Huguely added, ‘Some of Love’s friends were aware that George was not nice to Yeardley, but she wasn’t the only one dating someone on the lacrosse team who has anger issues.’… ”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/magazine/05/11/virginia.lacrosse/index.html
I am not drawing any conclusions from this witness statement as yet (I mean, really – how could I?); just posting it for a few cheap “Hmmmm…”s.
But, my friends, this – This deserves a serious and heartfelt, “Hmmmm…”
(From an editorial in the WaPost 5/13/10):
“… The Washington Post, the Richmond Times-Dispatch and Media General Operations, the parent company of the Daily Progress and the Richmond Times-Dispatch, have challenged the seal and asked that the court — as a first step — release its justification for placing the records off limits. The organizations also plan to press the court to release the records.
Transparency of the criminal justice process is essential to ensure public confidence in the results. Judges and litigants often worry about potential jurors in high-profile cases being influenced by news stories. This is a legitimate concern, but careful questioning and exclusion from the jury pool of those who have been exposed to such coverage are the answer — not removing important records from public view.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/12/AR2010051204540.html
B – whadup here?
“24. J2K says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 13, 2010 at 5:35 pm”
You published this post’s “cont.,” entry, so just following up on my circa-5:30, long-lost, verbose friend’s status…
Lastly.
[clears throat]
ross:
(Honing in on an arbitrary point, you said:) “… Not once did the prescence of or the lack of prescence of buzzards set off an alarm (on my dad’s or my farm). I guess maybe we kept better track of the family pets and livestock (than you and your friends, suz).”
yeah… Thanks for the tip, dude. We now all know where *not* to board out horses come, uh… never.
(Does anyone else think ross is kind of a d*ck?)
“*our* horses” is what I meant, of course: We now all know where *not* to board *our* virtual horses.
Shame on your sky-watching, perceptive friends, suz! (or: Fo’ shizzAme!)
Dear Ross,
I think that you have many things to say. You may not be very well heard by Blink and by some of the other readers. For some reason you have been drawn to this case. You are a local and understand the rural scene from your perspective. That is appreciated.
Yet, when you overlay the experience, the evidence, statements, and the unknowns, it becomes one of those “human body overlay books” that we really didn’t understand. Or maybe more like the Roman Forum ruins. When you rush in with perfectly legimate facts and very good points, you don’t seem to get the sensitivity of the situation. I loved your access of the code and your factual points–they seemed to lose revelance in the whole of the matter.
In a way, you remind me of me. I’m smart, a good researcher, and I like to nail the point. However, sometimes I miss the point.
This might not be all that helpful to you, but I hope that you’ll share your heart here. Please tell us what you think happened and why.
I am on record for not coddleling fools, but I sense you are different–even though you have really lit the fuse of our Blink.
So, respectfully, You’re Up.
Word Girl
My very respected WG-
Ross is most definitely no fool, astute observation.
Ross has a personal issue with me that I do not understand, have attempted to address and resolve, with the obvious results.
I just do my level best to remain focused and remember this work not about me.
B
Katie,
Hi- and welcome. I have also wondered about what might have been going on in and around c-ville when the shirt was placed.
I am however not sure if it is as easy as- Something going on in the community or directly with Morgan’s case, as it might have been something going on personally in the relationship between those who killed Morgan and those who knew about it, covered it up, and were in possession of her shirt.
The prominent theory here, for the most part, is that a girlfriend of one of the above placed it on the bush as a reminder or an FU to the perp- another theory is that it was placed there to bring unwanted attention or point a finger at someone else.
Hope this helps. Sorry I couldn’t offer a direct answer to your question.
I find it interesting that so many one time posters have come to this sight with one agenda- To say that Blink’s source on this article is full of it and that there is no tie to GH and DKE- they never further the discussion, or offer a reason or any evidence on why we should take them at their word, just post and leave. Join the conversation guys- we would value your input.
Blink, I just wanted to say that it is more than obvious that some people are hell bent on proving you wrong- no matter what insights, information or sources you may bring to help the cause of justice in Morgan’s case and Yeardley’s case- they will dismiss it as wrong because they do not like the messenger- Heck Blink, I think you could actually solve these cases and some people will deny it, because you are the one behind the resolutions. Sad really.
I just wanted to say to Ross, that I respect him for bringing his thoughts and disagreements directly to you, and at least allowing us all here to make our own decisions on the issues.
I don’t agree with everyone 100% of the time and I often times end up arguing with myself, but I respect all contributors that stand up for their point of view and share it respectfully.
Carry on guys- Peace
This is exactly why I affectionately call you Switzerland on occasion.
I think I will add “sage” in front.
I heart u Sage Switzerland.
B
Thank you Suz!
So yeah, J2K and everyone, what of the request to un-seal the court order to seal all the warrants in Yeardley’s case? Drugs? Morgan? Fear of a jury taint? What of it? There’s been no response as far as I can tell. It’s one thing if it’s just the Daily Progress, but The Washington Post is part of this, for goodness’ sake.
As B pointed out, if true that the judge who wrote that order was once partners with Huguely’s attny, then COME ON.
B, NCAA idea sure seems brillz and simple. Straightforward/efficient communication + accountability for behavior = REFRESHING (dare I say life saving?)
Skyler, Chopin Dr, huh? You and Local (and the other locals) have me very curious about Blandemar. I can’t think of a tween/teen who is not game to explore construction/development sites. (Or nosy grownup, for that matter …)
BTW, can anyone find updates on the Eades and Cash cases?
As for the NCAA digging into athletes’ pasts, of course they can, but they never will. Think about that – that process just might reveal information that they do not wish to have knowledge of. Then they can’t deny not knowing. Never happen. Got NCAA athletes in my family and acquainted with oh-so-many.
It’s college athletics, folks, bigger than life in many places.
(Disclaimer: I am not saying I am for or against – IMHO I don’t see the NCAA wishing to go there.)
Gil Harrington’s Blog from May 14th, 2010
The official response to violence on campus is kind of like the response of some authorities to 9/11. They were directing folks back into the buildings- unable to even conceive of a world where such an atrocity could occur. Acts of violence bigger and more lethal than had been seen before. The world has changed.
Another incident changed our assumptions about violence in schools, Columbine. The world has changed.
There has been a cluster phenomena of hideous violence in Virginia at both VT and UVA. The world has changed. You have been placed in a position where you can be prime movers on the forefront of devising an effective response strategy, or you can keep directing your students back into the burning building. Business as usual and squander more lives as well as an opportunity for greatness.
Virginians are reluctant to give up traditions, but the tradition and culture that tolerates violence in your midst must be addressed. The world has changed.
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