Kyron Horman Missing: Watch Press Conference Live
Portland, OR– The last 24 hours of the case of missing 7 year old Portland child, Kyron Horman, has the community boiling over with speculation that Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, is a suspect in his disappearance.
As reported exclusively on blinkoncrime.com, Kyron’s Uncle Kristian was incarcerated yesterday for child molestation charges.
This afternoon, Multnomah County Police released a flyer they have distributed to the parents and students of the Skyline School that seem to call into question whether Kyron and his stepmom Terri were even at the school on June 4, 2010.
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Is it possible that being that Terri was a former body builder, or so I’ve read, that she used steriods? And/or, since she seems to have lost some of her muscle and facebooks about “hitting the gym” that she was using steriods now to try and get herself back in body buiding shape and this is a case of roid rage? Just a thought….
OT: You know what’s kind of neat? When you hear a news story about someone who does something GOOD for someone else. Kind of cool, huh?
http://www.wpxi.com/news/23971696/detail.html
I don’t see why it’s weird at all for Kyron’s mom to say that he saved her life. First off, it was when she was pregnant (8 mo.) that she decided to file for divorce; so maybe she meant that having him gave her the motivation to get out of a bad marriage and change her life for the better? Or, since she had kidney problems, maybe she was diagnosed while pregnant, via a urine sample? If she hadn’t been pregnant, maybe they wouldn’t have found whatever was wrong with her? I’m just speculating, but I really, truly find nothing odd in her saying he saved her life. In fact, most parents would probably say their children ARE their life.
As for the teacher and the school, we do know what was said, from SM’s friend, on her behalf. She told various media outlets that SM talked to the teacher and told the teacher Kyron had an appointment. AND, that SM is now saying that the teacher is new (she’s not), hard of hearing and that she mistook the appt. to be for June 4th, when it was supposedly for the following Friday. So, by those accounts, the SM herself clears the teacher of suspicion, imo, because she acknowledges that she told the teacher that Kyron had an appt., and she says the teacher obviously misunderstood the date of the appt.
Aside from that, the teacher was in school all day, and not unaccounted for, so I can’t see why anyone is trying to pin this on her.
As for SM being able to get Kyron out of school; not hard at all. Show up at 8:15. Make the rounds; take some pics and get noticed. Kyron’s friend said Kyron was supposedly going back to look at some electrical exhibit. It seems — don’t know for sure — but seems that SM talked to the teacher without Kyron present. So, how hard would it be for Kyron to ask to go back and look at exhibits, and SM says to him, “We need to leave for your appt. soon, so go take a quick look while I talk to your teacher, then meet me at the car”?
Personally I think it’s highly possible. And imo, probable, considering the convenience of the teacher “misunderstanding” Kyron’s appt. date. If SM said “I wanted to let you know about Kyron’s Dr. appt” and doesn’t mention for next week (or as she claims it was loud in the gym and teacher allegedly hard of hearing), then it’s perfectly reasonable for the teacher to assume the appt. for the current day (which SM acknowledges she likely did), so it makes perfect sense why the teacher would not be suspicious as to why Kyron was not in class.
Personally, I don’t want the SM to be guilty; I don’t think anyone does. To think that a parent could do such an awful thing; unfortunately it happens, quite a bit. But it seems an extremely easy feat to pull off, to me. Take the kid to school, photograph him, say hi to a few people, tell the teacher he has an appt. and have him meet her at the car. She has all day to do something to him because the school thinks he’s at an appt., the father thinks he’s in school, and no one is the wiser until 3:45 when SM “discovers” he hasn’t gotten off the bus.
If nothing else, it seems awfully convenient to me that SM claims the teacher mistook the appt. for the exact day that Kyron disappeared. How could anyone else know that SM would tell the teacher he had an appt. and no one would be missing him at school?
Oneshot, BioMom did not give Kyron up at birth. IIRC, he was 2 years old, or thereabouts when she gave custody to his father. I see no reason not to give custody to him while she was seeking medical care and couldn’t take care of Kyron herself. Odds are a court would’ve probably decided the same thing.
As for medical treatment in Canada? Who knows? Maybe she tried some treatments in the US and it didn’t work out for her, so she went to try some experimental things; or maybe they have a great specialist in Canada? I know articles have said that she came home with over 30K in medical bills, so I’m guessing that she just did whatever she thought was best for her health, even if insurance wouldn’t cover it. Can’t say I blame her. Her health and life is surely worth more than 30K.
I am with you, SS. What are the odds that someone else would just happen to grab the one child who’s wouldn’t be considered missing? The one child whom the teacher thought was at a Dr. appt.? How on earth would someone else know that SM would tell the teacher of the appt. and the teacher would allegedly misunderstand the date?
The abductor would have to have been standing right behind SM, to overhear the appt., to clearly hear that it was for the following week, and to assume that the teacher could not hear correctly and mistake it for that same day. Then somehow find Kyron and convince him to leave. Highly unlikely.
Re JEN,
I had to read twice your comment about Desiree’d kidney’s failure and her ” hitting bottom “??? This is just so wrong
Give me a favor and google kidney failure…Choose any source and check the causes of the diagnose…Not everything is connected to drugs regardless your friends experience
V
Angela-I am speaking of Neil Horman, I am not doubting the Terri and red squirrel connection, what I was asking is where the full story was, I was only able to obtain part of the story, and from various sites I have noticed that people were saying that it was obvious that he does not like terri, or eluding to the fact that Terri plays games, my point was many of those people only read a tidbit of the tale, just like I did; so I felt people were jumping to conclusions, my opinion on Terri not being involved is based on just that, an opinion. I dont feel there is enough evidence to back up that accusation at this time, I feel there is something else going on, but of coures, it’s all speculation at this point.
Get the Facts on Kidney Disease/Renal Failure from the Experts, the National Kidney Foundation.
http://www.kidney.org/kidneydisease/ckd/index.cfm
Dx of requires blood testing, not just urinalysis. Pregnancy strains all organs in Mother’s body, especially vital organs like heart & kidney (responsible for water balance, metabolic/pH balance, among others)…could easily have the way she learned she had kidney problems, or she could’ve already known she had problems but still carried her pregnancy as long as she could….in fact, she was at least one month early, & I would suspect that her pregnancy was shortened as a result of kidney/hypertensive issues…..and yes, i recognize giving up your baby to your ex is not easy..not meaning to downplay that at all…in fact, as i said, i can’t imagine how hard that would’ve been. Obviously, this divorced couple worked it out over the years to the best of their abilities. In fact, it seems the StepDad had an influence on him, seeing as Kyron voiced a desire to be a detective or something similar.
To measure your kidney function, see this:
http://www.kidney.org/professionals/KLS/gfr_calculator.cfm
and click on this:
http://www.kidney.org/professionals/kdoqi/gfr_calculator.cfm
Newest CNN article from today. Here’s the link and a snipped portion of the article:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/oregon.missing.boy.letter/index.html?hpt=Sbin
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Capt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County sheriff’s department issued the following statement Friday on the decision to request information on Kyron’s stepmother:
“Detectives work in this case is exhaustive and they, along with Kyron’s family, are asking for the community’s assistance regarding anyone who saw not only Kyron, but also who may have seen Terri Horman and/or the truck she was driving that morning. Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared.”
In a brief phone interview with CNN, sheriff’s spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said the focus of the investigation is not on Terri Horman.
“We’re looking for every bit of information that we can,” Lindstrand said. “We are not in a position to name anybody a person of interest.”
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So they are still saying that the focus of the investigation is NOT on Terri Horman. But they are looking for:
“anyone who saw not only Kyron, but also who may have seen Terri Horman and/or the truck she was driving that morning”.
So I wonder if they are more interested in the truck, as in, did someone borrow it, either with or without permission, and did that someone take Kyron?
What confuses me the most are these two sentences almost back to back.
1 Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared
2 …the focus of the investigation is not on Terri Horman.
I simply cannot figure out what they are saying, because those two statements basically cancel each other out. If they just want to know about the truck-why don’t they just say that?
Or steal it. Hotwiring would surely blow the starter.
OR
Someone has a similar truck, which they do not want to hilight
B
Daisy – actually I got quite a different impression from the grandfathers’ stories — – my opinion only – I am wondering if Terri isn’t favored in the family dynamic overall and culled some jealousy from somewhere – someone in extended family that wanted to hurt HER – therefore took Kyron. I agree w/ poster above who suggested Terri might be feeling guilt – not necessarily about something SHE did to Kyron, but perhaps being the target by somebody – perhaps the family knows who and what this is, but needs more information for a lead or even an arrest — to me this kind of scenario would explain so many aspects of this excruciating case.
Please let Kyron come home! Praying for Kyron and all who love him.
As per Neil Horman’s use of Terri That Red Squirrel as Terri Horman’s namesake; it is not at all obvious to me that the author is showing dislike. Seems to me quite the opposite; more like a tribute to his daughter-in-law.
His book, “Tokens of Trust” is self published through Lulu Press and available at lulu.com. According to the websites (both Neil’s and Lulu) the book, “Terri That Red Squirrel” is not yet available.
Blink,
From your comment to zeuz: Are you saying that someone set the SM up? A stalker? This would have to be an elaborate plan. I was watching Jane Velez-Mitchell tonight and they were showing video of the parents press conference. Terri was hanging on Desiree (who was visibly distraught) and Desiree did not move to hug her or hold her in any way. She stayed in place without even acknowledging Terri. To me, that was telling. They’d already had several days to confer with LE before the press conference. I wonder if LE were zeroing in on Terri, would tell Desiree and Tony? I am trying to keep an open mind, but I can’t get that image out of my head.
Blink said:
Or steal it. Hotwiring would surely blow the starter.
OR
Someone has a similar truck, which they do not want to hilight
B
Such a good point Blink. I would think hot wiring a truck would harm a starter. Ford sells more white trucks then any other color..Now if it was a purple truck with pink flowers, then perhaps they are looking for that exact truck.
Do you think to say she was the last known person to have seen him that day is not as damaging as one may think considering she left him at a school with hundreds of people? If she was in an empty building, then I think it may say more.
“Or steal it. Hotwiring would surely blow the starter.
OR
Someone has a similar truck, which they do not want to hilight”
The similar truck makes sense. But if someone had hotwired the Hormans’ truck that morning, then Terri wouldn’t have been driving it. She would’ve been driving her red car. And wouldn’t the truck have been reported missing/stolen?
This from CBS news:
Laurie Levenson, a former federal prosecutor, told CBS News, “We don’t really have any hard evidence yet that she is responsible for the boy going missing, but all of the investigation seems to be keying in on her.”
Investigators have reportedly reviewed Terri Horman’s cell phone records and given her a second polygraph exam.
Levenson said, “This investigation has gone beyond a missing boy investigation to a real criminal investigation. It seems to suggest that they know nothing good has happened to this young man and they’re keying in on who they believe is responsible.”
But at this point, Kauffman said, police are not naming Kyron’s stepmother a suspect.
TJ, thanks for your comments–food for thought. I agree that she is in pain. “Rough times” might be an echo for what she’s feeling right now.
Adair, I agree that bio mom feels so poignantly, but I didn’t sense any anger. Fortitude or longing might have been her impetus. She’s hurting, clearly.
Angela, I believe the 2 am siting had to do with a neighbor who observed the car and *loosed* her dogs. Not that she was out with her dogs. This is semi-rural territory.
Sunny, yes. I thought the early a.m. babysitter was odd because you and I would have the baby at the Science Fair. Yet, this mommy must have had a lot of daycare usage when she was getting her Master’s degree and while she was volunteering and substitute teaching. She may have made a daycare appointment or had the child enrolled in one of those daycare center program to allow her to do her work and volunteering. I know a lot of people like that who are SAHMoms, but not really. Nothing nefarious to infer, however.
I was wondering that too Blink, about someone with a similar truck. I heard on BOC, I think it was you who said that the neighbor has a white truck also, but can’t find out much about it. I also heard the neighbor house is a rental. Is that accurate? If it is, and the neighbor has been gone (or is acting strangely), since June 4th, I guess we would have our answer.
The question would be, why would the neighbor do it? If it’s a sexually motivated crime like you think, Blink, then I’m sure the neighbor, or whoever owns the other white truck is being quietly investigated (or being looked for, if they are missing too).
It would mean, that even though they are neighbors, it would not be someone really close to the family, or a family member as we have been thinking. Unless they have developed a close relationship to that neighbor, and maybe trusted them way too much, and the neighbor has been quietly insinuating themselves into the family. Like enough to maybe even be allowed to babysit Kyron for them on occasion? I’m sure that Terri and Kaine would be feeling tremendous guilt over putting their trust in someone they didn’t know well enough. Not that anyone can know someone well enough these days!
If that is the case though, I would think that LE should be warning the public more, as the person/persons could potentially be looking for another victim soon.
About the vehicle:
I think there have may have been a slight starter problem (i.e. putting a little truth into the fiction)
but LE took the vehicle for forensic analysis.
I’m suspicious by nature.
B – looking forward to your new article. Thanks for the response from several days ago; I’ve been gathering fodder for a post, but it has languished in my “drafts.”
You pointed out:
“The way I see it, if in fact Terri Horman is an undeclared suspect in this case, you have to assume she has been advised she is by LE, and to my knowledge she has not hired representation and she is taking a second polygraph today- that makes no sense to me at all. …~B”
I ain’t a psychiatrist, but if I may play one on this blog: If Terri is behind what would be an extraordinarily elaborate plot to abscond with Kyron the day of his science expo and talent show, and do away with him/hand him off on Sauvie Island/vicinity of – followed by a dash home to further establish an alibi by updating Facebook with a photo of Kyron from that morning – then she’s sociopathic at the very least. Thus, she may still feel that she has control of the situation/will not be found out; getting representation at this point may feel like a sign of defeat or acquiescing to investigators – or even accusers in the “blogosphere.”
“I am sensing from you that your not ‘there’ yet either, J2K. ~B”
As per the usual, your Blinky Senses are on-point, B. It’s hard to be “there,” if “there” is being convinced Terri is either responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or convinced she’s the unfortunate victim of colliding tragedies – being the last person to see her step-son and subsequently falling under a harsh glare of suspicion, while also suffering through the grief of loss Kyron’s other parents are experiencing and being judged differently than them.
Right now, i’m somewhere in the middle, leaning closer to cynicism: i.e., she tried to pull off “the perfect crime,” but, of course, seriously struggling with motive. Was it an aggressive psychosis awakened because she began working out with steroids again (*speculation*) to gain her rock-hard pre-baby figure? Did Kyron know something she didn’t want anyone else to find out and felt there was no choice but to eliminate him to protect her husband, new child and life as she knew it? Post-partum depression-related maternal filicide? There’s just no way to know at this point.
But these are not the questions causing my skepticism at her total lack of involvement. My flag-raisers – most of which have already been aptly raised here on BOC – are based on what we *do* know.
Let’ start with a point from FLGirl, among others:
“What are the odds that someone else would just happen to grab the one child who’s wouldn’t be considered missing? The one child whom the teacher thought was at a Dr. appt.? How on earth would someone else know that SM would tell the teacher of the appt. and the teacher would allegedly misunderstand the date? The abductor would have to have been standing right behind SM, to overhear the appt. … Highly unlikely.”
Agreed, FLG. First, according to SM’s mother and friend (among others who have spoken on the confusion surrounding Kyron’s erroneous absence), SM told the teacher (assuming this would be K. Porter) the day before the science fair or day of (depending on the source) that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.
I’m not sure what explanation came from SM or if it actually involved “paperwork,” but as a longtime Skyline parent and classroom aid (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=274915&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=391202&id=1264414625&fbid=1138978075686), I’m sure she was aware that such an action – pulling the teacher aside to approve week-away doctor’s appointment – was not required, or the proper protocol as detailed in the school’s handbook:
“Early Release:
Students leaving school prior to dis-
missal time need a signed note stating
the time and purpose. For security pur-
poses, students will come to the office
where they will be released to the par-
ent/adult. Parents must sign their stu-
dent out from the office.
Absences:
Students returning after an absence
need to bring a note to the teacher stat-
ing the reason for the absence. …
Please notify the school in writing of
any long-term absences. …Please provide teachers with at least
24-hour notice to assemble make up
assignments…”
(http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf)
So, a note/email at least the day before an out-of-school appointment/planned absence; or a note upon the the child’s return from a non-notified absence. This stands to reason. Even for those *without* master degrees in education and years of classroom experience. With dozens of kids and activity buzzing around, it’s odd SM would thrust a verbal advisory on a busy teacher.
On the flip side, for a teacher to confidently mark a child absent, she could likely have no doubt in her mind. If the exchange was indeed confusing, I’m quite sure (but do not know as fact) that she had Terri’s number in her contacts or directly in her cell phone (again, SM was a regular volunteer, and one who worked closely with Porter, according to reports). Seems logical that if the teacher was directly informed that, while she should have said so sooner, Kyron was leaving with her, then there would be no ambiguity in her mind, but an open opportunity for SM to add in “no – I said *next* friday” post-facto, and it’d be teacher’s word vs. the parent’s.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (S. Holmes writer) had his famous character note, “We must look for consistency. Where there is a want of it we must suspect deception.”
(But, he also wrote, “Circumstantial evidence is a very tricky thing. It may seem to point very straight to one thing, but if you shift your own point of view a little, you may find it pointing in an equally uncompromising manner to something entirely different.” …so take it for what it’s worth.)
Anyway! The whole alleged exchange seems it was an unnecessary/out-of-place step – and as it was *this* needless, inadequate communication that led to Kyon being marked absent when he should have been at school all day (thus delaying the MP report for nearly 7 hours!) it has to be looked closely at, as I’m sure LE has done.
Also in this vein, SM’s not-too-media-savvy Finster friend told the Oregonian and other outlets (reportedly after speaking with SM) that “when Kyron didn’t show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day,” allegedly telling Finster that “the child’s teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. ‘She doesn’t know if she understood her.’”
I wouldn’t know anything about her ear condition, but Kyron’s teacher was not new (and what does that have to do with her listening-comprehension anyway?). This is a blog post from what looks to be the only school year the Skyline staff started to use a blog (2008):
“POSTED IN SALT PLAYDOUGH
SUBMITTED BY KRISTINA PORTER ON THU, 09/18/2008 – 6:21PM. …”
(http://www.skylinek8.org/?q=blog/28)
Whether we’re dealing with a truly wicked stepmother or an innocent victim of circumstantial happenstance, Terri gets a big “Fail” for throwing this poor woman under the bus by implying she’s some rookie, hearing-challenged half-wit.
FL girl – you pose a likely prospect of what Terri could of done to make this work on a school day, especially a day when things are already out of the ordinary and everyone isn’t sitting at their desks. An absent student would be a lot less apparent or immediate to the teacher and everyone involved, especially with the SM’s ‘pre-warning’ of an appointment to account. A later, simple claim of a verbal misunderstanding, ‘the teacher heard wrong’ or whatever is kind of a perfect, ‘unprovable’ excuse.
My only question of this theory would be, what did Terri plan to say if the appointment was again brought up or clarified on that day before she left the school? If she actually would go up and even have a conversation with the teacher that day, she could of easily assumed the teacher would’ve brought it up to confirm…”So Kyron has his appointment today? Are you taking him now or coming back to get him?
What would Terri of said? Just corrected the ‘mix-up’ and have that potential moment be what would make or break her decision to go ahead with her secret plan? Or do we know for sure she actually did converse with the teacher that morning. Maybe she went to establish her presence at the school with everyone else but tried not to run into the teacher at all….
Every time I go through it again, a new tidbit occurs to me. So here’s my latest one. How completely odd that the SM would leave Kyron in the hallway, considering that isn’t she a teacher’s assistant in that very room?…if you were SM, it seems she would just take the extra couple of minutes to walk Kyron in, say good morning to the teacher, sub or not, because that’s basically “her room”? (Is that right?) It’s not as if she’s just another parent dropping her child off at any rate, she KNOWN by faculty, parents and children there. In a sense it’s her social scene, her “stomping ground” so to speak. It wouldn’t really make sense for her to skulk around and hardly run into anyone she knows from 8:00 to 8:45. People who saw her should be coming out of the woodwork.
And Blink, your last comment about the possibility of the white truck being hotwired and stolen….wasn’t the truck in the SM’s & Bio Dad’s driveway when it was towed away? So who would hotwire the truck and steal it from the school parking lot, kidnap Kyron and take him somewhere, and then return in the truck and park it at the SM’s & Bio Dad’s house? The SM? The uncle? Ok this must be one crazy, desperate uncle to go to the trouble of doing all this when he’s already in big trouble and about to get sentenced….but he certainly could have pulled it off….the SM could have sent him out to the truck with the uncle, not thinking the uncle would harm him, and then the uncle took off with him….and SM goes to her own white truck…SM and uncle both have white trucks? Or back to the second scenario, it’s someone else who has a white truck. The uncle again? We’re going on the assumption it’s not a RSO stranger because Blink said way back there somewhere that he doesn’t think so and I respect his experience…again, the choices are few. I have NOT seen where anyone talks about the uncle’s whereabouts on June 4th, has anyone else?
zeus says:
June 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
So they are still saying that the focus of the investigation is NOT on Terri Horman. But they are looking for:
“anyone who saw not only Kyron, but also who may have seen Terri Horman and/or the truck she was driving that morning”.
So I wonder if they are more interested in the truck, as in, did someone borrow it, either with or without permission, and did that someone take Kyron?
What confuses me the most are these two sentences almost back to back.
1 Terri is the last person known to have seen him before he disappeared
2 …the focus of the investigation is not on Terri Horman.
I simply cannot figure out what they are saying, because those two statements basically cancel each other out. If they just want to know about the truck-why don’t they just say that?
Or steal it. Hotwiring would surely blow the starter.
OR
Someone has a similar truck, which they do not want to hilight
B
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That all makes sense to me, what do we make of the talk of SM’s cell phone pings? Is this to take focus off the real target or a legitamate problem in her alibi?
LE can rely on their databases to find a white truck similar to TH’s & question the owners without having to ask schoolkids if they saw TH’s white truck at the school, & their interrogations would be more reliable. If the truck had been stolen, it wouldn’t have been returned. (In fact, when my family’s new VW was stolen, we were paid a visit by the FBI to tell us they’d located it in another state, stripped.) And, where’s the stolen vehicle police report?
Can anyone verify the info that the stepmom’s cell phone didn’t ping at the school on June 4th?
Just a point on the BM seeking medical care in Canada – Canadian citizens enjoy the benefits of a public and publicly funded healthcare system here. Our public healthcare system also serves “paying” clients via hospitals and private clinics and those paying clients are 99.99% of the time from outside of Canada (ie US citizens). For example, hundreds of children are born in the Grace Maternity hospital in halifax Nova Scotia each year to mothers from outside of our country. They come here because the health care is good and it is a whole lot cheaper to obtain than in non-public nations.
Terri’s reported 30 000$ healthcare bill in Canada for whatever treatment she underwent here – simply would have cost her 250 000 if she had to fork out the money for same service.treatment in the US.
Also, last night: I did a google search on “Ford F250 starter problems” <– Talk about HITS!! It seems to me that the Ford F250 is known for “starter problems” and the search also revealed it doesn’t matter how new the thing is either. I have now completely removed the “truck got towed/possibly tampered with” from the list of “incriminating supposed-evidence” against SM. Apparently, her F250 is like a great many others!!
Starters are “dumb.” They engage when a 12-14v high amperage connection is bridged. They do not know or care where the current comes from, it can be from a screwdriver bridging two posts on a solenoid, or a key engaging a relay or from an attempted theft. Starters fail typically when they become submerged in water, are overheated (trying to crank an engine that will not fire or which is wet), or from a bad battery reducing the voltage and cranking amps. In normal use, it should last the life of the vehicle.
Vidda, I’m sorry you took offense to my two cents. I’m a little unclear on why sharing my experience is “so wrong.” Obviously none of us knows what Desiree’s medical issues are, nor are any of us adamant that we somehow have such knowledge. I was merely offering up another take – which the vast majority of us have been doing in this forum.
Regardless of what medical conditions anyone has, I stand by my statement that there is no shame in “hitting bottom” and subsequently seeking help. It takes immense courage.
Forgot to add link: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh21-1/84.pdf
In any case, I’m glad she got the medical attention she needed.
Someone needs to get real answers out of Terri. If I were Desiree I’d beat her with a garden hose until I got the truth. Where is my child????
If someone told him his Mother’s truck was outside and she wanted him, there is a good chance he would go, even if the truck was not hers and he didn’t realize it until it was too late.
C’mon, Blink, we’re dying here, throw us a bone.
I know you are working hard, forgive me, we are worried and have been taken in by Mr. Sunshine here. I cannot imagine what his family must feel like, if this is what a bunch of strangers feel like.
It is intruiging to me to relate starter problems with the white truck and the possibility of hot wiring the vehicle.
If this seems to be the case, who wants to do this family in? It makes me wonder if there were any prior threats that have gone unnoticed in the past. Was SM being blackmailed? This is a crazy story!
I don’t really believe there are “rules” to grieving so it is hard for me to say what I think about the way this family is acting in this situation. When I watch the press conference I see a lot of shock and confusion in all of their faces- I don’t expect this family to know how to act in a situation they most likely wish never happened and have never been in before.
I do have a few questions about some of the events leading up to Kyron’s dissappearance, but I will hold off on them for now.
What really struck me as odd was the letter from Kyron’s BM.
I am sure she is hurting and I believe her letter to be sincere, but it concerns me that she writes as if Kyron will be coming home to her when/ if he is found. I just wonder if that has something to do with the “person” they are trying to appeal to. Maybe I am reading into it too much. Did I miss something concerning guardianship or doesn’t dad have full custody?
We don’t know enough information in this case to make too many guesses or hypotheses about what may have happened. It has been suggested that Terri lied about her whereabouts on the day Kyron went missing. In fact, it has been widely reported that she did based on phone pings. Nobody has disputed that story (to my my knowledge). In my mind, she created doubt when she lied and even if she lied to cover another lie not related to Kyron disappearance, she still revealed herself to be dishonest. In my mind, her dishonesty is the strongest pice of evidence so far.
Eloise says:
June 22, 2010 at 10:52 am
If this seems to be the case, who wants to do this family in?
Maybe someone who believes that Uncle K’s molestation charge and subsequent arrest deserves retribution. Again, would be very interested in knowing who was responsible for notifying LE of those events and which players have stayed in his life, so to speak.
Where did the story about the cell phone ping come from? Was it supposedly a wife of a sherrif that said this is what prompted the search on the island? Was this ever confirmed by LE? There is also a radius involved in a cell tower, how far is the the island from the home or school? Would it be a different cell tower then what would be used from the school or home?
re: Word Girl #17- you are probably right, not anger from her. I re-read her letter (again) and I guess I was projecting..my personal feelings. I would be angry. Not anger at a specific person or entity, yet, just angry that it happened. And, she was so far away from him. She wasn’t in charge…so misplaced guilt, maybe? I don’t know… I don’t think mommy-guilt ever changes or goes away. (Not guilt as in a crime, just the choices you make as a mom.) Prayers for this family-
sorry, Word Girl #18,sorry!
I Do Not think it was odd to mention a doctor’s appointment a week ahead of time to the teacher…we don’t actually know how the entire conversation went, and what context it was in. It could have gone like this:
Teacher: Is Kyron coming down with something, I noticed he’s been a little stuffed up?
SM: He has a Dr appointment next week
which coincidentally is the exact conversation my daycare lady and I had this morning….
or, Teacher: The kids are really excited about the assembly coming up
SM: Kyron has a dr appointment.
I have NO idea what the conversation was…I’m just saying it’s not THAT odd to mention the future Dr. appointment.
I also do not think it’s strange to have the baby at a daycare the morning of the science fair, some SAHM’s use Daycares for lots of reasons: to socialize their little ones, when the go to appointments, when they are volunteering at their older kids school. I have a 15 month old, and she does not like to be held, she wants down to run all the time, if I were trying to focus on an older child, who was very excited about their project and walk around the science fair with them, I might leave the baby with a baby sitter so I could really give the older child my full attention and not be chasing the baby all around on their special science project day
Of course, all just IMO….but those things just don’t seem THAT strange to me. Certainly not enough to think someone was plotting an elaborate scheme to kidnap and/or hurt a child
As far as I have been able to tarck down so far, the “cell phone ping” claims were mentionned in a blog “XXXXXsomething weekly” and every other “her pings were at the island story” has come from that one blog article. That blog artcle claimed that they were told this by “unnamed pers in Law enforcement who were NOT working on the case” … yet everyone seems to be treating it now as “fact”. The police working the case have never confirmed nor denied that any Terri cellphone pings occured from the island. Therefore – that is only rumour and speculation that comes from a source who admittedly quoted “LE NOT working on the case”.
Same with the rest of it – just how many times does LE have to flat out state that “the truck being towed has absolutely NOTHING to do with this investigation in any way, shape or form; it is NOT related”. People who choose to, still ignore that fact and will take every “rumor” from “unnamed sources NOT involved in the investigation as “fact”. The SM just can’t win for losing with these types — no wonder she’s frustrated. I am too … and it’s not even my child that’s missing.
To clarify my previous comment…in the 2nd example of the teacher/sm conversation
“Teacher: The kids are really excited about the assembly coming up
SM: Kyron has a dr appointment.”
I mean that as in…Oh, no, Kryon as a dr appointment, he’s going to miss it
Kyron dropped off his coat and backpack in his classroom before touring the science-fair with his SM. If his coat and back-pack were there in the classroom and he wasn`t would this not have alarmed the teacher? The teacher has already stated she had seen both Kyron and his SM earlier that morning in the school.
The kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn’t there.
Who were the chaperones?
Why wasn`t roll call done before the tour?
Some schools require advance notice if there is going to be a planned absence. This is the case with my kids’ school. If I know my kids are going to be absent, and I do not let the teachers know, the kids are not allowed to make up their work and they receive a zero for any assignments given while they were absent. Perhaps Terri was a little OCD about Kyron being absent. Perhaps the paperwork was for ADD/ADHD and required the teacher’s input, or perhaps Kyron was going to miss something important and Terri simply wanted to remind the teacher. A lot has been made of when she scheduled the appointment and the paperwork, but sometimes doctors are booked and you go when there is a slot available. My point is there isn’t necessarily anything nefarious about the doctor’s appointment or her telling the teacher about it in advance.
My kids’ have had some great teachers, but in my experience, a lot of teachers are frequently overwhelmed and have poor communication skills with the parents.
On an objective note, it is possible Terri launched a campaign of misinformation, scheduled a doctor’s appointment she knew Kyron would never show up for, gave the paperwork to the teacher to purposely confuse her so that she could have a full school day to murder Kyron and dispose of his body, took Kyron to school that morning and paraded him around, covertly instructed him to meet her at the truck and accomplished this without anyone seeing her, murdered him and disposed of his body in time to be at the bus stop that afternoon, and yet I still have trouble believing it.
I do believe the ping story came from an alt Portland paper named Willamette Week. It was based entirely on anonymous sources. For Blinkstahs who followed Morgan Harrington’s case, it is similar to “The Hook.”
I find it ironic that the non-custodial mother is being received as media’s darling while the woman who raised Kyron is being villianized. Sure, she was the last person to see him. Because she was the one who brought him to school every day. Not bio mom and not bio dad or step dad or grandpa or anyone else. Whatever personal flaws this woman might have, she was THE ONLY ONE whose life was centered around taking care of Kyron. I have seen nothing released to date that indicates she has hurt this child.
Look, it all comes down to the fact that we may be parsing the minutia of SM’s actions or seemingly “off” behavior that day ’til the cows come home – or until they find Kyron, at least. But. LE almost immediately determined that the perp was *not* a stealth stranger, and that other children in the school were not at risk.
It’s not likely that this deduction was made rashly or before investigators came to consensus on what they believe occurred – we’re talking about a building full of vulnerable children here, after all. This tells me that whatever came out of that Sunday of interviews, grilling the SM, and other observations/clues all pointed to someone Kyron knew. Well.
I’m not saying Terri’s the only person who could have done this – or the only one who knows where his body is – but as it appears that (as far as LE is concerned) a member of Kyron’s family quietly guided him out of the school and into an abyss on the morning of June 4, she was the only one at that initial crime scene, as it were.
Side-note: re: And Then There Was One
It’s obvious the blended brothers were close, despite the age difference – it must have been hard for both of them when James left their home in Forest Park and his acclaimed (according to GreatSchools.org) Lincoln High School – *midway* – through his junior(?) year this past winter to live with his relatives three hours south in Roseburg. Wonder what that was about.
By the way – anyone else see this pic from Terri’s FB album of Kyron, James and Quinn pics?
Behold the original owner of the CSI T-shirt:
(redacted by Blink for the moment will post indiv pic)
Just breaks your heart…
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Okay – last dispatch on this!
Upon again checking the FB photo link again, it looks like you cannot directly link to a specific pic in an album. So when the above link opens on a snap of Kyron coloring at a school desk, push “previous” through about 12 pics and you’ll reach a birthday dinner shot of James and Terri in a restaurant.
ArmyVern–
Agreed that the cell phone ping is largely rumor. However, LE has not disputed that rumor, but they have spent days searching the island where the pings supposedly occurred. As far as we know by piecing what few items have leaked out, thats their purpose for searching there? Idk…it’s all very mysterious.
JEN,
I lost 2 friends over the years because of the kidneys failure ( after progres of diabetis)…non of them EVER used drugs and from all I red about kidneys failure ,never heard /seen the word drugs…your comment kinda hit close to my heart, that was the reason for my respond…
As you can see , your experience is different , indeed. There was a comment shortly after mine here from somebody who linked the kidneys failure to pregnacy .that sounded very likely to me as far as Desiree ‘s situation
V
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/