New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide
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Portland, OR-Over the last week, much information has been developed about the extended families of Kaine and Terri Horman, and the circumstances with which Kyron came to reside primarily with them, visiting Mom and step-dad Desiree and Tony Young on monthly visits.
One thing that is not clear however, is how Terri Moulton Horman’s oldest son, 16 year old James, came to live with his maternal grandparents after living with the Horman’s until this past January. He now lives with his biological father who gave up his rights to him to Terri’s second husband, who stills pays child his support.
He is believed to have been on a Boy Scout camping trip with his father Ron Tarver and his half-siblings the weekend Kyron went missing.
By all accounts, and certainly by all photos, James and Kyron were *tight* brothers from another mother.
Although it has not been confirmed by Multnomah County Police, it is believed that the focus on Sauvie Island, and the surrounding area is related to cell phone pings from Terri Harmon’s phone the day of Kyron’s disappearance on Friday June 4th. According to family friend, Terri was asked to take a second polygraph this past Saturday, and was frustrated and tired at investigator’s questions as “she was where she says she was.”
BlinkThink: An Investigative Editorial Of Sorts..
Frequently, in our team’s development of information and analysis on the cases I feature, readers and listeners ask my opinion on several items of information that I may not be prepared to release out of context. In some cases, they are working theories. It is however, how we handle our “war room” and take raw data to reportable data. This case continues to baffle so many, I thought I would take this opportunity to show our readership how we work behind the scenes. Pardon grammar in advance, these are actual excerpts from our collective work stations.
For obvious reasons, this is the collective work of the editors of blinkoncrime.com; the “raw” we discount or scrap is not included.
Priority Lead #1
Tanner Pumala, 8 year old desk-mate of Kyron Horman, was the last person to see BOTH Kyron and Terri Moulton. He is his self-professed best friend, and also his neighbor. His grandmother, Wendy Fuhrer, allowed him to speak to the press, although she was specifically asked not to. As he is a minor, it would require a signed release from his parent or guardian.
Finding of Facts:
No mention of his Mother, Lisa Fuhrer Pumala
Tanner’s account states that the substitute noticed Kyron was missing from the headcount. He said she alerted the regular teacher, Ms. Porter, who told her he was probably in the bathroom.
Subissue for Flagging:
There was NO substitute that day. She had been there Monday through Thursday. Why would he offer that specific account, and simultaneously say that Kyron told him he was headed upstairs to the “cool electic one”? As his deskmate, wouldn’t he interject that information?
He was interviewed by BOTH the FBI and MCSO, and asked not to release his information, but did anyway. Who or what really prompted this?
He remarks he did not see him on the bus, so the day goes by, including the talent show, with no further discussion of Kyron although he would not have been in the bathroom for several hours.
However, he states he was not aware Kyron was missing until that evening, when his DAD saw it on the news.
(Jason Mateos Notes: Could the duo simply have wandered outside together at the prospect of catching a live frog for the exhibit and accidentally fall in the pond and the child is scared.
Blink Response: Plausible only if Tanner unaccounted for, the pond is across the street, and they literally would have to go out of the parking lot, which was heavily occupied at the time. Project next to his is Pond Turtle, however.
The Fuhrer residence, on the market since April 2010, borders the Horman property, and extensive search efforts covered this property. Their is a white truck and camper located at the residence in the photos of the listing.
Brian Pumala, Tanner’s father is a plumber and recent electritian apprentice through JATC. He resides with one Ann Pumala on NW Mill in a houseboat on the channel. Quarry Rd, is directly behind his residence as well as the Quarry that was searched initially.
Finding of Fact:
From Blink notes: Pumala address is on Sauvie. In particular it is the start of the original start area for which MCSO requests video footage, and it has direct access to the channel, which has been a heavy search point.
Additionally folks– we have the investigative equivalent of “the closest distance between 2 points” here. Gram or “mom” Pumala is neighbor to Ky.
Non-custodial Dad, a former neighbor and presumed aquaintance, lives withing the perimeter of the focus of most of the search efforts, AND the alleged cell pings.
Priority Lead #2
Kaine Horman Email:
From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman’s son is missing
All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.
Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation
Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the “CSI” show logo
Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847
Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.
Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation
JM session notes: Bolded by Me. Dad states he went to the bus stop with Terri. Indicates both vehicles were at the residence, and in working order. What prompted his schedule to be home at that hour, would it be normal? Why is this the only account that features the Dad at the bus stop.
“in partnership” is odd wording. What does that mean exactly?
Priority Lead #3
Terri Horman call to school: When do the exhibits need to be picked up?
Blink notes: exculpatory. If your counting on a timeline that gives you until approximately 3:30PM, why would you risk the potential to raise the flag of Kyron’s absence. He was in fact, marked absent, although his things remained on his desk. SM calls and askes when the exhibits needed to be removed. In my mind, it is to see if she needed to also pick Kyron up that day, as he could not manage it himself on the bus.
Priority Lead #4
The questionaire released by MCSO and the FBI 
blinkoncrime.com editor JM, an experienced investigator and polygrapher, believes strongly there would have had to have been a deceptive response to necessitate a second poly. Blink notes: I believe strongly this is designed to progress leads in this case. My opinion as to “why” may be very unique. It is almost as if they want someone to believe she is a suspect, stopping short of naming her. Could they be hoping for someone to make contact with her. Admittedly, agreed on the deceptive response, but could she have exposed a bad guy to Kyron through her behavior or actions, but had nothing to do with his disappearance? Those images are FBI generated from an analysis they preformed on her behavior, no doubt in my mind.
blinknotes: I believe it possible the questionaire was requested for multiple reasons. Again, I cannot wrap around her. Put plainly folks-her profile does not match up to execution or strategy as we know it. I also believe this is designed to produce 300 exemplars. With the DA present while parents were to drop off their completed questionaires, I again think aloud– is there a convened GJ at the moment, in this case?
Also, what about this– it lets them capture the make, model, and plates of cars coming to the school with completed forms. Does our guy show up at 9am or 6PM on Father’s Day with kid in car, borrowed from someone, or does he send it with another parent?
Actual excerpt in work session:
*warning graphic* professionals need to de-sensatize in order to analyze.
Research/Investigstive Professional: Something is bad wrong is going on inside the Horman home without a doubt. I tend to look at folks who will not talk. Terri is simply acting odd. She has odd expressions. I mean effin odd; a self-centered nutcase. Unequivocally, yes, but she has an extensive track record of caring for kids. I would def buy her having an affair. If this is her, what kind of lame ass plot is this, in the first place. You drug the kid, you take him out on your own damn property, or closest body of water, and call the cops the next morning with your back door open and his foot trail still fresh. Say he has a history of sleepwalking. In that neighborhood, the critters would have him by then ( sorry, I know). This woman spend significant time with the school and his class. She had the baby in there, multiple times, knows all the kids by name. This is where she is going to take every risk and chance to off the child she has cared for since birth with no conceivable motive– no history of mental illness, and a facebook of loving family photos, several of which taken by her of a beaming Kyron? Not feeling it.
That said, it is connected to her in some way. Scorned lover? Unrequited affection of someone at the school? Kyron was chosen because of her?
Priority Lead #5
Terri Horman follows cases like these:
Priority Lead #6
The baby Kiara, was not with Terri and Kyron that morning.
JM notes:
I don’t know where dad was.
I do not know what he drove.
I don’t know when he left.
I do not know when he came home.
I do not know for sure he was even at work but it would be easy enough to document with ID swipes, etc.
I do not know where the baby was.
I do not know who was watching the baby.
I do not know why dad decided to come home early to meet the bus (and even that is in question.)
Where was she and is this normal routine?
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I’m someone who remains unconvinced about the SM’s involvement, but I find it strange that there are so few pictures of her with Kyron in the 101 photos on the tv’s website. If the family wanted to send a strong message that she isn’t involved, wouldn’t they have produced more photos of her with Kyron? What if that was deliberate so people still think the focus is on her. If I noticed this, I am sure other people are going to note the absence of photographs with them together. The pictures are heartbreaking because he looks like a very happy kid.
Kyron Horman Photos 2003-2008 http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/news/24025819/detail.html
Ditto for all those photos. Could that possibly be a mistake that there are none of him with Terri, or is there a reason for that?
This is so frustrating. The longer this drags on and the more evidence that’s reported, the more clear it becomes that Kyron is no longer alive (and probably hasn’t been since that day) and that LE either has squat OR they have everything on a POI but a key piece of evidence eventually needed to convict.
Agonizing. Must be a thousand times so for the Blink team.
GriffyMom,
You contradicted yourself in a way so I’m confused. First you say you do not believe an affair alone would be enough reason for a mom to harm her child. Then you said Susan Smith harmed her children because she was having an affair with a man who didn’t want children (same thing with mom Diane Downs way back in the 80′s? earlier?). Anyway, there are always exceptions to the rule, that doesn’t necessarily negate the possibility that Terri could have been deeply involved with someone that she would do anything for, and what if that someone was perverted or had some issues. I could swear I read somewhere back there that Blink said early on that the crime was sexually motivated, yet didn’t really think it was Terri (I hope I’m remembering correctly Blink; if not, feel free to slap my hand). BUT, Terri COULD BE at least INVOLVED in this with whomever the Kyron perpetrator was. There are definitely a lot of women out there who would do ANYTHING for a man, way past the doormat stage. This would explain why, if there were an affair, Terri would not want to cop to it, because she and the perp are both involved in the deed, and being forthcoming would incriminate them both.
JR, sorry to mislead you but my comment was supposed to be “But the Kyron part?” not “Buy the Kyron part”. I corrected myself right after but it did not get posted. It was trivial.
All, I think it has been established that there was no substitute teacher on June 4th. Please someone correct me if I didn’t read that several times in several places. Wasn’t she there Monday through Thursday and then not Friday? So then I think all you read about a Sub is not true.
This comment from the psychic for missing persons site is interesting, I wonder if it is true. There are also lots of pictures and maps posted on that I have not seen before. This comment is from page 21
“We know for a fact that Kyron’s step mom was on Sauvie Island. Not only the cell phone, but eye witness reports that she was out here driving very fast and crazy. There was also another vehicle with her. He drove off the road, due to the speed they were both driving. This was reported to the tip line from people who live on the island and seen this take place. It was the morning that Kyron went missing.”
http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=200
..amateur sleuthing here. Ok, science fair is in morning. Stepmom takes Kryon to fair & takes pic. Last she says she saw him was in the hallway on the way to his classroom. Kryon was supposed to be at talent show as was stepmom same day. Q: Why didn’t she go? A: Because she knew he wouldn’t be there.
According to the latest news, the sheriff has identified the man in the photo.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Sheriffs-Office-knows-mystery-man-in-photo/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
Regarding the talent show, I cannot find the links now but I read early on in several places that it was only for students.
I was curious why everyone thinks she was on Sauvie Island, just because the phone pinged there. If cell towers CLOSER to where she was were full, the phone would have pinged on Sauvie Island. It isn’t that far away. If it pinged across the state, that would definitely be a smoking gun. I think if the island is being search relative to Terri, there is a lot more to it than a cell ping. Also, if her phone was there, why couldn’t she have driven there ~ dumped her phone for the day and then gone back later to pick it up? I am still waiting for someone to spill the beans on where Kiara was all day.
I really don’t think Terri not going to the talent show is a huge deal. I’m very active with my kids, but I don’t go to every single thing at their school. She’s not a bad parent or guilty of murder because she didn’t go to the talent show. I’ve read a few comments by locals who have said it was mainly for the students not the parents. Maybe that’s true, and maybe Kyron was in the talent show not doing much. I’ve heard over and over that he was a shy kid, and so it stands to reason that he wouldn’t have been the star of the talent show or performing in a major way.
I just don’t think the smoking gun for this case lies in the talent show. If she did this and she went on a campaign of misinformation about the doctor’s appointment, paraded him around the school, took a picture, posted it on Facebook, etc., it stands to reason she’d have gone to the talent show to cover her tracks.
Priority Lead #3
Terri Horman call to school: When do the exhibits need to be picked up?
What if this phone call is made, because what ever needed to be done is done, and she wants to know if anyone has noticed Kyron is a missing child?
The info about Kyron’s friend Tanner is very interesting. Maybe the reason gramma let him talk after being asked not to, is because she was intuative enough to smell a rat. That someone was setting that family up. Were the searches of their property next to the Horman’s and on Sauvie Island conducted at the suggestion of Terri or Kaine? Is there some bad blood there? I am not convinced Tanner isn’t telling the truth. We need to think like a seven year old. Maybe the reason he said it was a substitute teacher was because he knows and associates the ‘mystery woman’ with being a substitute. She didn’t have to be subbing that day. Also, he says he didn’t know Kyron was missing until that night. Not unusual at all. He knew he was gone all day long, but “missing’ has a new and different meaning. I think Tanner might be able to pick out the woman he is talking about… just do a few pictures at a time and do not ‘suggest’. Let him do it all by himself.
1. elston says:
June 24, 2010 at 8:56 pm
“I’m someone who remains unconvinced about the SM’s involvement, but I find it strange that there are so few pictures of her with Kyron in the 101 photos on the tv’s website.”
I didn’t even see one. Desiree & Tony Young, yes, and Kaine, yes. Kyron’s brothers and sister, yes, but I didn’t see one of the SM. Maybe they’re switching them out.
9. blue says:
June 24, 2010 at 11:22 pm
…” If she did this and she went on a campaign of misinformation about the doctor’s appointment, paraded him around the school, took a picture, posted it on Facebook, etc., it stands to reason she’d have gone to the talent show to cover her tracks.”
Even if she did the other stuff, to show up at the talent show if she knew Kyron was missing already… she’d have to be a helluva good actress to pull that off. I would think that even if she did all of the other, she would skip the talent show just because there would be so many witnesses to attest to her acting ability. But moot point if the show was only for the students anyway.
@KS,
I can tell you, first hand, that when someone tells you that your child is dead (and likely if they tell you your child is missing, and they expect an abduction), MOST people are numb, and can’t think straight. Oftentimes parents will try to do some sort of work related thing, because it has nothing to do with real life, or emotions. It is so much easier to do something work related than to even consider one’s child being dead. Honestly, I’ve worked with hundreds, hundreds, of bereaved parents, and I’ve never known one that was fine, with a clear memory, right after their child died (or was missing, or in the hospital as a result of serious accident or injury). So, I do not agree with your contention. It takes a while for that numbness to wear off…I’ve heard people say they were numb for a year. I can also tell you that I had a 90% (accurate) photographic memory prior to the traumatic loss of my son, and I don’t anymore, haven’t since it happened (8 yrs ago). A dear friend of mine, who does a lot of work with bereaved parents for a national non-profit, and held positions from chapter leader to assistant to board of directors, her son died almost 27 years ago. She, too, had a near perfect photographic memory. Gone. When he died. Never came back. Don’t be surprised that a parent is rattled by something like this. Even if they seem stoic…stoicism is sometimes a response to the numbness. It is often difficult to cry or feel anything but the numbness for some time. But when the dam breaks, it breaks.
I don’t know if any of his family members had something to do with this. I know that Terri Moulton Horman’s actions (and lack thereof) raises a BIG red flag for me. But, honestly, judging a parent for not having a clear memory, or for sending an email out? I don’t think that’s reasonable.
I don’t think she’d go to the talent show to cover her tracks.
For one, as stated, it’s mostly just for students and most parents do not attend. Plus, by showing at the talent show, at 1:30ish, IF she did something to Kyron, would work against her. Because it would draw attention to him being missing about 2 hours sooner.
Plus, there’s the Dr. appt. IF she lied and told the teacher the appt. was for the 4th, why would she go back and be seen there? They would want to know why Kyron wasn’t with her. Why go back to the scene of the crime right away?
With each passing day I become more and more sad. Where is little Kyron?
A baby might be EXACTLY what drives some to an affair, but I would assume even these women would prefer to come clean on that before mistaken as the speculated murder suspect, forced to take a second poly.
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Well, I am not saying for certain there is an affair. In fact, I’m thinking probably not; but people have been trying to figure out motives for harming Kyron, when there don’t seem to be any; and trying to figure out alternative theories for why SM wasn’t where she claimed to be. Having an affair would be better than killing a child, imo.
IF she was having an affair and that was part of the motive for doing something to Kyron, then I wouldn’t imagine she would be wanting to fess-up to the affair; cause that would give her a possible motive; whereas now, there doesn’t really seem to be any.
What time did TM call the school to ask when the exhibits were to be picked up?
Has it been confirmed that Kyron’s eye glasses have been found?
Angie says:
June 23, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Witnesses who claim to have seen Kyron are being ignored by Police:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/investigators_in_kyron_horman.html
Let me say this-
I am a fan of this MCSO. From Dan Staton to Jason Gates and his team, they have done everything right in my eyes.
I have studied his election campaign, and his career, and this guy is a cops cop and a people’s sheriff. This community is lucky to have him.
That said, I also understand people’s frustration that their information is validated.
I am asking that folks put this Investigative team in a position of faith and trust, above your need to know. This is about Kyron, not us.
B
Blink –
I also think LE is doing a good job.
In my above posting I was thinking that the police were not following up on the sightings because they already knew what happened to Kyron.
Got it, and my comment was general and not to you, sorry, I should have specified.
B
Ks says:
June 24, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Great post! And if the topic wasn’t so awful, a little humorous-ALL.
Yea, I think he’s wrapped as tight as a tick. I wrote right after the first family presentation I thought both he & Terri were not right. They may just be different, but I don’t usually think the parents we see are guilty, except maybe, say, Casey. But at the very least, I think they have something to hide, even if it is something very interpersonal.
I follow the Morgan case, and right now we are discussing the Howell fellas and their family history of sexual deviance, so it goes to say Kaine might not have all his marbles lined properly either. Maybe Terry is protecting him? He is her current breadwinner. You never know.
So who are the Keefer’s?
Could Kyron have been one of his Uncles previous victims Of sex abuse? Would there have been a chance that with he upcoming trial it was arranged to remove the threat of having Kyron testify against him? Did Kyrons dad have information about his brother that he was going to share? And it caused a family explosion? Usually, someone who is a child molester has been the victim of child abuse themselves, was the Uncle and Kyrons dad abused at the same time by the same offender when they were children?
Re the phone call to the school: Yes it could be she called to check if he had been found missing or she could have called to check if she needed to pick it up as he was going to ride the bus home.
I hope and pray they tell us all what the hell happened to this little precious boy. If it was the step mom, arrest her already. If it is not, please arrest whoever it is so this specuation can stop. I am not sure how you all are feeling, but I am frustrated beyond anything.
Dagnabbit, you just gave me chills. I hadn’t thought about that.
5 Luv2sleuth says:
June 24, 2010 at 9:45 pm
This comment from the psychic for missing persons site is interesting, I wonder if it is true. There are also lots of pictures and maps posted on that I have not seen before. This comment is from page 21
“We know for a fact that Kyron’s step mom was on Sauvie Island. Not only the cell phone, but eye witness reports that she was out here driving very fast and crazy. There was also another vehicle with her. He drove off the road, due to the speed they were both driving. This was reported to the tip line from people who live on the island and seen this take place. It was the morning that Kyron went missing.”
http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=200
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There is a lot of psychic stuff on this site but also regular ideas and theories like we have on BOC. I just read this thread-thanks Luv2sleuth! It’s pretty interesting.
Blink, What do you make of this reported sighting? NOT psychics, but Sauvie Island residents who allegedly reported this. Here is the second part of the above comment, when someone asked for a link to the report.
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“Its not on a report. This is a small island. Most of the people have lived out here for years. We have a small knit community on the island. People out here try to pay attention to vehicles and people. We are a tourist trap at this time of year. We have issues with theft on the farms and all sorts on nonsense. We all try to watch out for each other. In other words, people pay attention when anything is not normal. We have our own neighborhood watch as one could say. It has been reported to the proper agency. This is why we feel they have spent so much time out here. There were eye witnesses who wrote down license plate numbers.
We also hope you are right and Kyron is NOT found on the island. We had another tradgedy on the same day Kyron dissapeared. A lot of the people out here are dealing with the loss of a very good friend. If the sherriffs dept. looked somewhere else, it would possibly let our hearts heal for our neighbor and friend.”
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And then this comment when someone asked what end of the island Terri’s truck was seen:
“It was at the end of the island. Terri was not driving the truck. It was a red mustang.”
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Sauvie Island rumor? Or another fact we are not supposed to know yet?
http://farmerdonkruger.blogspot.com/
The talent show was for school only. Parents were not invited.
After reading the report of Terri driving fast in her red mustang on the island along w/another vehicle I wonder if she could have set up Kyron’s removal from school. Maybe she didn’t walk him to his classroom because she already knew someone was waiting there- near another door- someone they both knew well-who would escort him outside and into their vehicle.
That Science Fair project in on a tri-fold board. It could have been folded up and placed in the backseat of the mustang or over the backseat from the trunk.
Maybe that is part of the reason why LE is asking if people saw Terri’s truck at the school.
If she were in the truck, how does she get into the mustang? I would not call the account a report as much as a rumor. jmho
B
Has anyone confirmed that the red Mustang and the white truck are the ONLY vehicles that Terri and Kaine own? Going somewhere with this, I promise
Re: SM call to the school about picking up the project. Any ‘helicopter’ parent, or involved parent would be suspect. If it is part of her normal personality to be in contact with the school I would say it’s normal. I’d call the office and knowing the staff would ask when can the projects be picked up just because I want to show respect for the school and also it was a nice project I’d want to ensure it was handled nicely so it wasn’t damaged. I’m picky and sometimes overly nosey and/or talkative
BUT… I can’t remember or find what the answer to that was. When were they suppose to be picked up?
I just saw Desiree, and Kaine on the morning show. heres the link if anyone is interested http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyrons-parents-emotional-plea-home/story?id=11010421
She looked upset, fighting back tears, Kaine did as well. The way they are talking though leads me to believe he is alive, and someone has him! but they are not giving any NEW information..
In the latest interview with Kyron’s parents, they were asked what Kyron was most afraid of. The answer: being without his glasses.
I know. Heartwrenching.
B
I feel they know who and when. They have not yet nailed down where, why and how.
agreed
B
This is where I’m having trouble. The SM goes with Kyron to the fair. He looks happy in the photo (my guess only) so it makes me think there was no prior tension or problem that morning. I just can’t see her taking him there and doing things with him, then leaving with him and harming him. That is where I run into a problem. How could you go to school with him and act as though all is okay and then take him off and murder him? That is the big disconnect for me. I just can’t see the switch from nice SM to evil SM in a few hours time. What would be the motive? I know we’ve speculated to many motives here, but I just can’t see her doing it. However, what did happen to him is something I can’t figure out either.
LE has made it so obvious that they think Terri the SM is involved, I am amazed that they haven’t spent hours interogating her. They need to get to the bottom of this. If she is involved, they need to find out. SM might be totally innocent. If she is not, surely, they have ways of determining that. Val has new vid of bio parents, and they certainly don’t appear to think SM is involved.
Today it struck me how difficult it must be to have every known aspect of your life scrutinized in the public eye. Then what is not readily available dug up for public inspection. My life would not past the test of public opinion either…and I’m just an average Josephine.
All the photos of that smiling, endearing little boy are the byproduct of his primary caretakers, the SM being a major player. I hope and pray that Kyron is found and returned home, where he belongs. My prayers are also with the family and friends that love him so much.
ks @8:06pm on 6/24 – good post.
Kaine and Desiree on the Today Show. When Kaine was asked about Terri’s response, the question was prefaced by “…she’s not a suspect…” I saw a flicker across Kaine’s face. Maybe it was a slight flinch or a defensive micro-expression, but I did see some reaction. I was too lazy to tape it so I’m wondering if anyone else saw it, too?
Ok, I’m sure everyone caught it this morning; Kaine confirming he was indeed on his way to work when he last saw Kyron that morning, before Kyron went to school.
So, who had the daughter? Whoever was taking care of the daughter that morning can provide alibi information for SM. I’m sure SM would not have left her daughter in the truck when helping set up the science project, would she? So, someone had to have the daughter.
This is one piece for me that would help me move my finger off SM, if in fact the person was someone who is believable and not aiding in her possible deceit of her whereabouts that morning.
Shoot! Maybe someone was in the truck with SM, Kyron and the daughter.
Did anyone else see the photo she had on her facebook of her daughter, where she has the caption “my real daughter” under it? I find that a tad strange…
There is still confusion about where the dad was?
In interviews this morning he said he was going to work. There was a statement previously posted that he was working from home.
There was also an account that he was camping with SM’s older son, James. Which means James was not in school that day and unaccounted for. SM’s deceptiveness could easily be explained as being protective of an older son who is part of a terrible accident or prank gone wrong.
KOIN TV interviews Kaine and Desiree. Good reporter.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyrons-mom-Hes-doesnt-like-to-wander-off/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
All the comments here show how concerned and frustrated we are as days go by and we know nothing of Kyron’s whereabouts. I have rethought my idea on the best friends story and think maybe his statement was just for whatever financial gain there was but he did not really have much to add.
I think the affair idea may be flawed as there are stress signs in a family where that exists. It was very apparent that there was a serious behavior change in our neighbor before she snapped and shot her four children. The only thing I wish for is that he is found alive. I just want to offer prayers and support to the families and anyone searching for him at this point.
Please come home Kyron!
I’m sure I won’t be the first to post this, but I thought CBS’s “Early Show’ interview with Desiree and Kaine was interesting…
…particularly when the anchor asked about the focus on Terri Horman:
Anchor to Kaine: “Do you believe that police suspect (your wife) in some way in your son’s disappearance?”
[Desiree subtley shakes her head in the negative at this question]
Kaine: [deep breath] “I believe she’s committed, as the rest of our family is, to finding Kyron.”
[a slight nod in agreement from Desiree to his response, as she says "Yes" very softly, her eyes cast downward]
(Kaine) “And any other information regarding that is — the investigators are working with her and with us to help find him, so I don’t really have any other comment on that.”
Okay. Not sure what to make of this. On the one hand, Kaine’s response to the question about Terri being a suspect is not what you’d expect from a husband discussing his wife’s possible culpability in their son’s horrific disappearance – if, that is, he did not believe she was involved.
I’d expect something like, “I can’t speak for LE, but my wife loves Kyron and she would never do anything to harm him – she, like the rest of us, just wants to find Kyron and get him home.” (or something like that)
It seems obvious to me that both parents here have been coached on their response to this exact line of questioning, but why skip right to “*I believe* she’s as committed (as we all are) to finding (him)”?
It is three weeks into the investigation; he lives with this woman (or did at the time of Kyron’s disappearance anyway); he presumably loves his wife and just had a baby with her – yet he’s very careful/purposeful in not acknowledging the question of her involvement – not even to vouch for her love of the child. (Again, seems clearly scripted.)
Then, more confoundingly, are Desiree’s reactions during his rather stiff answer to the question. She conveys a firm sign of “No, she’s not” when Kaine is asked if police believe his wife is a suspect in Ky’s disappearance.
Hmph… (Really?)
Also seemingly supportive of Terri is Desiree’s nod and affirmative “Yes” to Kaine’s non-answer: “she’s as committed, as we all are…”
(This, ladies and gents, is what social psychologists refer to as “cognitive dissonance.”)
My off-the-wall, crudely thought-out, gut reaction to that interview clip is that perhaps nobody realized Terri was becoming increasingly psychotic (Kaine works constantly, far from home) until the day Kyron went missing and all signs pointed to her. But, they need her “with them” in order to find the little guy, so they’re being coached to hide their suspicions and convey to Terri that they’re all on the same team.
Note: I prefaced the above theory with “my gut reaction” to seeing the interview – I’m aware this makes about as much sense as anything else being pondered.
However, I get the distinct impression there is a critical piece of information being strategically held from the public – and it appears, whatever that is, Kaine and Desireee are aware of it and it requires them to act accordingly (see above).
In the interview this am, did anyone pick up on Desiree correcting the comment that she knew Terri prior to Kyron’s birth? Also, Kaine seemed alot more reserved than in past press release and email had come across. I wonder why Terri wasn’t there as well?
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Sheriffs-Office-knows-mystery-man-in-photo/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
Yep.
Concerns me.
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Well obviously there are 2 videos from this AM, I thought it seemed like different reviews.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/25/earlyshow/main6617351.shtml
^^^^^
Now in this video Desiree quickly agreed that focus on Terri was unfounded?
This is all too confusing.
Eloise, I heard Desiree clearly correct the notion that she and Terri were friends before Kyron was born. They were not. I thought she and Kaine seemed genuine in their responses and he seemed about as reserved as I’ve seen before. There is a distance in him and awareness of image, which comes through in his responses. I thought he didn’t want to dwell on their low time and/or fears because he didn’t want to break down in public.
I don’t know if Tony is working and not in the area, but certainly Terri should have been there for the interview. Why wasn’t she there? I hope the reporter continues the relationship he was building with Kyron’s parents so that he can ask the tougher questions later.
There is no doubt in my mind, that the pics released yesterday, where none of them were of Terri, and the fact that Kaine answered the way he did, is because Terri Horman has retained counsel.
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Oh how my heart just broke when I watched that interview (thanks for the link Eloise). When MD asks them about Kyron’s mannerisms Desiree just smiles with every thought of her baby boy. She truly loves him with all of her heart- you can see it all over her face. I am concerned too with her response when asked about Terri- she even looked tense when he brought her name up. Dad seemed tense too, but he didn’t seem defensive (to me) when asked about theories- I am going to watch it again though and see what I missed.
Thinking like a tv show, by having just the Bio-parents interviewed, what would that say to a perp that may still have him alive? Who would the perp be targeting if the ‘response’ to that person is to have the bio-parents in the fore-front?
Wow! The entire story about Terri and Desiree being friends and Terri moving in to help Kaine with Kyroon was fabricated. This is such a strange case.
… Anyone else detecting a fracture of the parents into two camps, (even if just mentally), splitting Kaine, Desiree and, perhaps, Tony Young (no way to tell at this point) from Terri? There was certainly a reason they didn’t have the step-folks sitting at their sides, as per the first presser – and I’ll bet the decision had nothing to do with (Officer) Young’s role in this tragedy. (Looks like someone has *not* been cleared following her second poly…)
And maybe I’m reading too much into the careful language Kaine is rightfully using in the course of a delicate recovery mission such as this, but his noting, “…investigators are working with *her* and *us* to help find him…” is telling as well, in my eyes.
That said, I can see why they’ve refrained from/been advised against getting in front of the press more – whatever sickeningly topsy-turvy direction this investigation has taken off-camera is written all over their faces.
My heart truly aches for these poor people… what an unimagineable nightmare.
Yes J2K. I was hesitant to mention this until now, but it seems the elephant is bigger than my ignoring of it-
In the first press conf I observed a coldness of Tony toward Terri. It was right when he was returning to the stage, and Terri had been comforting Desiree. I noted it, but thought it was more like a “he went missing on your watch kinda thing”. I now believe he was privy to whatever information we all want to know.
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