Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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Nothing, absolutely nothing, will surpise my at this point in this case when it comes to TH.
I do have one question for everyone, a kind of polling of opinions. I pray tkat Kyron’s parents (all 3 of them) are correct in their belief that Kyron is alive and being “stashed” somewhere. I guess anything at all is possible with TH. What do you guys think? Does anyone think this to be a legit possibility?
@Judi: My heart wants to believe Kyron is being stashed – my mind needs for it to be true…
For me as a mom, it was love at first sight the first time I held my babies. Kyron has had the same effect on me.
I love that little guy with all my heart. I want it to be true because I want Kyron to have an opportunity to live his life and do all the wonderful things he is meant to do.
I want him to get his Driver’s License, go to his prom, I want him to graduate from H.S., I want him to go to college, I want him to walk down that aisle and marry the love of his life. I want all the things for Kyron that I want for my 2 little guys. Wanting isn’t the same thing as reality… I am a hopeless romantic at heart… I will hold out until the end…
However, if I had to answer your question logically, with no emotion, I would have to say Kyron is no longer with us… I can’t stomach that thought. It makes me cry. It blinds with a pure/raw anger that I hope to never experience again.
Thoughts are with you today Kyron – may today be the day that your mommy and daddy receive some answers. Where ever you are Kyron, I hope and pray, you know how much your mommy and daddy love you. You are their everything Kyron – no matter what anyone may have told you or is telling you – You are their EVERYTHING!!!
The Anslemo Sanchezsanchez now in fed. facility might be held on Illegal Entry charges. Says karma posting at:
http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/missing-children-f37/kyron-horman-7-yo-portland-or-t6891-960.htm
Post by karma on Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:51 am
the inmate site doesn’t list the charges…
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=j2fROvstUkZ9eSRaCJS85w==
but this cache link provides a wee bit more detail…states “Illegal Entry”…
Re: KYRON HORMAN – 7 yo – Portland OR
Post by karma on Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:51 am
the inmate site doesn’t list the charges…
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=j2fROvstUkZ9eSRaCJS85w==
but this cache link provides a wee bit more detail…states “Illegal Entry”…
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the following cache link was karma’s at that post, but when I go there I can’t find the Anslemo entry. Maybe it was “privatized”?? Why?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Dnx7_HVX5j0J:www.mcso.us/public/booking_log_rpt/SW575_24_Hour_Booking_Log_Thursday.pdf+Sanchezsanchez,+Anslemo&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a
He is being held on illegal entry charges, the booking reports are only available for a limited time publicly in most jurisdictions.
B
I feel that he is alive too, but it may just be that I am in denial that such a thing could take place in MY backyard by a woman who has been functioning in an otherwise fairly normal manner prior to the past year in MY community. I’m having a hard time imagining that TH REALLY did away with Kyron. Like how in the hell would that spell out any resolution to ANYthing going on for her. But it happens all the time. So there’s that. I just can’t get my mind around how on earth people think they’ll get away with murder. It happens, but it’s rare.
I am glad to see Kaine angry in public now. I hope he takes his own advice & talks w/James. (I read recently somewhere that none of the Moulten clan had been interviewed) I believe JAMES HAS NO KNOWLEDGE of anything. But like Kaine said, Terri tells different parts of stories to different people & when pieced all together…
With all my heart I think James saw people, overheard conversations, etc. that by themselves would be appear very innocent/normal, but could alert Kaine & LE to look at/speak with individuals Kaine was not aware that Terri had contact with/in his home. Kaine works, he can’t be home all day. James would have arrived earlier than Kyron from school, been in the house before Kaine got home etc. etc. Kaine is right, people are not talking. James could provide the crack needed to bust this wide open.
@Beejay, thanks for that info! And nope never to much information for me…like the sayin’ goes, you can take the girl outta the hills, but you can’t take the hills outta the girl. I appreciate your help!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Huh. I always figured inSINtel was a semi-cever play on words meaning “sin inside Intel.” Even so, what amount of deviant behavior between adults makes someone rationalize that it’s okay to disappear a young boy?!
Make no mistake: someone, probably sooner as opposed to later, will talk. Better to be the one coming clean asap than the one/s still playing games.
Oops. That would be “semi-clever.” Damn spellcheck.
Hmmmm….Per CBS news this morning, DeDe says that she was at work the whole time and simply forgot her cell phone that day:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml
Hopefully her phone was ON so they can tell where it really was.
Ms. Bickel you are so welcome. It’s not often I am able to help. I am in constant awe of the bright thinkers here and have learned so much. Everyone here is so gracious and willing to help.
Sorry to post again but what is up with the times B? They are 3 hrs. ahead. I’m used to it being 2 hrs. as I am at central time but it has an extra hour on top of that.
O what the hell do I know, I still can’t mod or access the site from my bb anymore, lol.
I asked my technowizbag guy.
B
JEN says:
August 2, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Re the poster’s name, insintel, you explained it so much more succintly than I could. My attempt yesterday was feeble, at best. That’s exactly what I wondered, though, if the name was somehow meant to be a message.
Beejay, I thank you for the explanation on how to use the lingo dictionary thingy bopper. Woot woot, new source to help understand! Thanks a bunch guys!!!!!
Judi, of course, I hope and believe Kyron is alive. My practical, logical brain knows that I’m wrong, that Kyron is no longer with us, but I choose to believe the opposite. And in one way, my belief is well-placed–Kyron is alive in his parents’ hearts and minds and in the hearts and minds of thousands and thousands of people all over the world, millions perhaps, so in that way…
But is it reasonable to believe that he’s physically still alive? If TH has him stashed somewhere, and Kyron had a caretaker, it would be easy to release him or fess up, *and* it would require that TH and Kyron’s captor stay silent and absolutely trust the other to remain silent as well… and really, what are the chances there? Also, TH is under surveillance, I’d imagine, so LE would know if she were communicating with someone and could find Kyron that way.
If some stranger has Kyron, odds are against him being alive, but certainly he could be alive. Stranger abduction does not seem to be the case here, however. Stranger abduction requires explaining away far too many of THs actions and everything LE & the FBI know that they aren’t sharing. While it is possible to explain away one TH behavior or action at a time, when they’re all put together, they cannot be explained away reasonably. In the same way that many people have one or two traits of a sociopath/ASPD, and certainly aren’t sociopaths, but once someone is hitting 10 of the 12 or so traits on the list, chances are…
teri: if asked by LE if they could search my property I would say yes, without a warrant, but it is b/c I don’t have anything illegal at all anywhere – no unregistered guns, no small amounts of marijuana, no stolen streets signs, nothing. But you would be surprised by some of the things people own. The problem is that there alot of places LE would like to search just to be able to cross if off their list – but if people won’t give consent and there isn’t probable cause for a search warrant – well, they can’t cross it off their list. You can give limited consent – as in, you can look anywhere a body might reasonably be hidden but no where else – so you can look in my basement, my closets, my cabinets, under my bed, boxes, examine the grounds to see if soil disturbed etc, but you can’t read the papers in my filing cabinet or look in my purse or go through my emails etc. Which if you are so concerned about your privacy seems a good way to do it if Kyron is not on your property. How would your DH feel if you child was missing and your neighbor told the police they couldn’t search his property, probably suspicious, outraged and horrified – b/c I’m sure in the end your DH would conclude that your neighbor could forgo a little privacy to find your child. Not to pick on our DH, just an example.
Someone out there has the power to bring Kyron home – do the right thing. Look how many people are out here to support you.
There is a two part story in the Oregonian about a little girl named Mona who was abducted and found days later in a ditch raped and strangled. It was a two parter, Sun and Mon. LE was never able to make a conviction. I cried and cried. In the end 45 years later there is some closure but no conviction. The Detective who has last worked the case was pretty incredible.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/07/who_killed_little_mona_a_heartbroken_oregon_mom_fears_shell_never_know_justice.html
Question to you Oregonians that know the law. If Kaine & Desiree sued the school system & were awarded monies, would Terri be entitled to any of these funds?(if here status of involvement remained as it is now)
@Judi,
I must concur with landmom regarding Kyron’s disappearance and possible demise, as much as I have just fallen head over heels for this little guy.
I believe we are dealing here with a diabolical mind. What kind of sick person puts a CSI t-shirt on a 7 year old innocent child then photographs him on the day he goes missing. I am afraid that Kyron probably fell victim to her cruel streak on more than one occasion in the past. In my view she has been “setting the stage” so to speak for this event for some time. She has planned it, plotted, covered every angle. And I just feel that kidnappers are not in the daycare business. What would someone have to gain by keeping this child hostage for this long? The culprit has proven that she has an obsession with violence (WOW game) and murder (Enter a Murderer, CSI, Dexter viewing). She wants to see it and read about it and plan it.(MFH plot). As it has been mentioned here more than at other sites, the glasses possibly being placed in the Horman mailbox. What kind of person does that? Someone who enjoys playing with people’s minds in a cruel and sick way.
I know Desiree and Kaine want to believe he is still out there alive somewhere. Don’t we all? But I remember the Haliegh Cummings case with people just so sure she was still alive and being held somewhere.
The really sad thing is that we may never find Kyron. He has been so well hidden and this thing was so well plotted and planned that considering a stranger abduction almost has to be ruled out.
It makes perfect sense to me that Kaine “may have” told Terri to keep quiet with the media- it seems she has an issue with leaking information, ie…..the restraining order document, the amount she paid her attorney, the lie detector information and on and on.
Right now, my heart is aching for Desiree. I can only imagine every part of her being wants to shake Terri and DeDe until someone tells her where Kyron is. With all the events taking place in the daily turns of craziness I can’t stop thinking that Desiree has to be torturing herself with what Kyron must be going through each and every minute of each and every day that he is not home with his family. It doesn’t shock me that she holds on to hope that he is still alive- she has to. It is possibly the only thing giving her the strength to get out of bed every morning.
I am more upset than anything that no one will talk- this baby deserves to be found. He deserves to be reunited with his family or layed to rest in peace.
He was robbed of his right to blind faith in those around him- he was put into harms way by someone who should have given their life for him. He is just a little guy who should be enjoying his summer, fishing, swimming, riding bikes, camping and yes driving his mother/step father/father and step mother crazy with bordem.
Kyron needs now more than ever for just one hero to make up for what was so unfairly done to him.
I hope and pray for one person to imagine for one second not knowing where your innocent little guy was, not knowing if he’s alone, hungry, scared. I pray that you give Kyron the same compassion you would give your own child. For me this isn’t about who was raising Kyron or who was having an affair (although some of it is very important to the investigation) It is about Kyron and his right to innocence that has been taken from him.
@Judi re Aug.2, 11:30 am
Judi, When Elizabeth Smart’s father stood before news cameras and publicly expressed belief that his daughter Elizabeth was still alive out there and would be returned home to them one day, I thought his faith had blinded him to what many thought was the obvious truth: depressing statistics. Well, you know the glorious outcome to that child abduction story. Each case is different from all the others out there. So, I guess my answer to your question would be, it ain’t over ‘til it’s over. And if hope is what gets Desiree, Tony and Kayne up every morning and gives them the strength to face the world scrutinizing every detail of their lives, and they face that each day, willingly, doing whatever they can to help authorities find their son, then I say, hope is a good thing. I still have hope.
I sure would love to see some of Kyron’s drawings of his family life. I was sitting with a child therapist watching him in “play therapy” with a little 5 year old boy. They were coloring together and it was truly amazing to me the amount of information this professional was able to discover about this child’s home life from his colorings. Later, we talked to the family who revealed that the therapist’s observations were spot on. Warning though, I would not try this at home. To the layman, this can be a very frightening experience. Especially if your child has no talent.
@Blink, I had 2 gym memberships at one time (don’t tell my husband.) I was a membership of Gym A, but really wanted to be a member of GymB, but GymB’s membership was 30 bucks more a month. One day I discovered that GymB was having a special ½ price membership if you enrolled that weekend, so figuring I only had a few months left on Gym A’s membership, I enrolled and locked in that rate for GymB. So for 3 or 4 months I had a membership at 2 gyms, but I only went to 1. Also, I need the gym, not only physically to stay at a healthy weight (I absolutely love chocolate), but vigorous exercise helps keep me focused and sane. I especially need to work out in times of high stress, so I didn’t see Terri and Kayne going to the gym after Kyron’s disappearance as anything suspicious.
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@Futureman, I’m glad I could make you laugh. You’ve certainly made me laugh enough around here.
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@MelissaB, We need a good laugh now and then – at any age! I was laughing as I deleted my search history. Otherwise, I would have been crying. Paris Hilton the second has her Nancy Drew moments.
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@NancyS – And I thought CASEY’s search engine history was disturbing!!
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@Scooby –She’s one wacky lady for sure. And I KNOW whacky. But there’s good whacky and bad whacky. Her case doesn’t look good.
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@cbickel- Frustrating yes! Just not knowing is the worst. I remember taking a class in filmmaking years ago, and the Professor mentioned how many of the great film makers preferred to give their audience just a little then let their imagination take over, because nothing he could produce visually on screen could compare with what the mind can come up with on the moviescreen in your head. Just not knowing must be true hell for this little guy’s family.
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@Word Girl – I’m interested to know how you approached the lightbulb story question with Mom. I was always fascinated with TrueCrime stories too. I’m in awe of great minds. I love to read how brilliant investigators solve crimes. A book dear to my heart is Chief, Classic Cases from the Files of the Chief of Detectives (NYC) by Albert A. Seedman. It was my Dad’s book. I wish THIS guy would come out of retirement (I think he’s still alive) and give Oregon authorities some input. Seriously, I think they need a few seasoned, hard-nose New York City detectives (preferably raised in Brooklyn) to spend some time alone with Terri and just talk. Talk about psychic intuitive powers!
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@Eloise, Oops. Uh. Sorry about the Coke thing. But I’m glad I made you smile. I added boogie board in just for that effect.
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@CCmakes3: You have a 15 year old boy with internet access? Take my advice, DON’T LOOK!!!!!!
Blink, I just realized that Portland is a “sanctuary city” for illegal immigrants. How likely is it that our friend Sanchez-squared is only *ostensibly* being held on illegal entry charges?
Kaine had stated that Terri took the truck to school the day before the Science Fair to set up Kyron’s project. Terri told him she wanted to use the truck the next day on June 4th to pick up the project (which she never picked up). What were her activities on June 3rd (I’m pretty sure LE has looked into this)? Sounds like Thursday she had some time to locate an area to prepare for a place to “stash Kyron”. And maybe on June 4th DDS was called upon to babysit Kiara while Terri completed her job. JMO.
Re: Anselmo Sanchez being held on illegal entry
Does that mean that he’s been kicked out of the US for something prior to this and then came back when he was ordered not to?
Here’s my logic: IF it is true that this was all planned very carefully for some time by TH and/or someone else with her, it just doesn’t make sense that after all that planning, Kyron would be taken only a mile or two away and left/disposed of. Would TH want to take the chance that he would be found by either people or scent dogs if he were close by? With her DNA/fingerprints on him and no one else’s? If this was all planned, I say no, too risky – unless there is a deep well or mine shaft or whatever somewhere in that area, which I’m sure LE has already thought of long ago. And just how much time would TH have to ride around looking for said mine shaft or well, with a baby to take care of? She would have to know someone who knows where a mine or well shaft is.
No, the plan was to give herself and whomever plenty of needed time to take Kyron far, far away. I think the doctor’s appointment excuse was for just that – to give someone enough time to get away. Otherwise she wouldn’t have needed it. What would have happened if she had never made the doctor’s excuse? The school would have noticed him missing at what time? 9 a.m.? 10 a.m.? At which point they might have called the parents (maybe not, since they saw him with TH that morning). That means she would have had at least 45 minutes to 1 1/2 hours to do whatever, and she could have still submitted that lame excuse of driving her daughter around and then gone to the gym to cover her ass. And of course, we’re not even sure exactly how much time she was missing. She could have been at the school until up to 9 a.m. or close to it. Then supposedly she was spotted at about 9:30 in the white truck on some dirt road by some guy named Chas? So we know she didn’ drive very far away from the area, as she would need time to get to a place and get back to check into the gym when she did at 11:30. No, it seems more like she had enough time for a hand-off to someone but not enough time to drive to a location, commit a murder, hide a person and then hide/get rid of all the evidence, then get to where she could clean herself up and dispose of her clothes, wash the truck, then make it to the gym by 11:30. IDK, just doesn’t seem like she had enough time to do this on her own.
So why did she need to set it up so that she had several hours to work with? It had to be so she could give him to someone who would have time to get away with him. All my opinion of course. This is a much more hopeful scenario than the other one.
@malty
Some aspects of this case do not surprise me at all.
Terri strikes me as a very needy person, a perpetual victim and attention seeker always surrounded by drama. If the people posting in her defense are in fact friends of hers (I think some of them are) it would seem that Terri has been spouting off about Kaine and her family for a very long time. Some of her complaints may have been legit however she may have also made up alot of stuff in order to garner more attention and sympathy and to hide her own cupability in her problems. That is usually how it goes.
Damsels in distress are irresitible cat nip for some men and apparently some women too.
I would venture a guess that that is how Terri has navigated her way through life if what has been posted by her friends and publically disclosed about her through the media is accurate.
I hope her friends and protectors wise up soon, if the source of the unusual posts is Terri either directly or indirectly they are very revealing. Terri is apparently a grade A user and a master manipulator if those posts are genuine. She also seems to be a dumb cluck by leaving a neon trail which leads directly to her.
If any of Terri`s supporters happen to come across this post..if you are in her orbit and not copperating with LE, you have a problem. You have been used and Terri will have no qualms about you down with her. Terri does not care about you any more than she does Kaine, Kiara, Kyron, James or her parents.
If she were your real friend she would not have exposed you to the dire legal reprecussions you now face if she is in any way involved in this which certain posts by her “friends” seem to indicate.
Undo the damage the best that you can at this point and talk to LE.
Right this wrong. This is not going to go away.
Kyron needs his Mommy.
whenever my mind goes….”well, maybe there is a valid explanation for TH’s behaviors……” i quickly recall that, oh yea, there was that little murder-for-hire blip on the radar screen…..let us not forget, oh yea, THAT. and the likelihood that TWO horrific false accusations would happen upon a person in their lifetime in weeks is about what? i do wish kaine would devulge the motive behind her wanting to kill him. he must have some insight there. because i think it would speak to what on earth she did with kyron because as much as i think she is directly involved, i cant imagine what in the hell would have motivated her into thinking that was a dandy idea. i don’t see yates, winkler, smith issues here. what makes a bright intelligent person come up with offing a child as an answer to something? i just dont get it.
I try to read and think about this case and Terri
but to be honest
I really think some one else took Kyron
some one from the school or some one who knew the school in some
way
or there was an accident of some kind
and a cover up
but maybe I am just hoping because
I want to believe he is alive
If someone else has already posted this link, pls disregard. This is the most emotional I have ever seen Kyron’s parents and it is heartbreaking. You can almost sense that they are at the breaking point.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-hormans-parents-confirm-leads-11303832
Hi
I just checked the Oregonian breaking news and this is all I got.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_hormans_parents_remain_h.html
the Today show had them on. Thats it!
More info from Early Show CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.2
@NancyS Have you noticed that the oregon live comments on articles about Kyron have been deleted? I mean the older stories that had so many comments, all the comments are gone. I’ve had some problems getting to that site today so it could just be my computer I dunno. Maybe they clear comments monthly? I dunno, just thought it was odd.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
I have some questions about search warrants and searches in general. Somewhere I read that when police first asked to search DD’s house without a search warrant, she allowed them to look in every room except for one. And then the police returned with a search warrant and did a complete search of the home. I was wondering whether LE would have maintained surveillance over DD while they were obtaining the warrant. I was wondering what the likelihood would be that DD would have had the opportunity to get rid of any incriminating evidence that could possibly be related to Kyron’s disappearance, without anyone watching her.
I was also wondering, if the police wanted to search someone’s property because they were looking for evidence to a specific crime, and they just happened to find some pot or maybe an unregistered gun, would the police overlook that because it wasn’t relevant to the case they were investigating? I was trying to think of alternate justifications for DD to refuse the police access to a particular area of the property.
Hope that wasn’t a stupid question. I am just trying to play devil’s advocate.
@mockingbirdsings July 31, 7:34 Re- eskeptic’s comments. I am surprised no one commented on this. It would actually make more sense to me if Dede’s car was left in the parking space on the farm. Why would they call her in for lunch if she left(with her car)? wouldn’t you assume she’d grab her own lunch while she was out? and their level of concern makes sense if she abruptly left and was not responding to there calls but her car and cell phone? purse?(possibly) were still in her space. Maybe she left her phone in the car so she could really ignore calls and say “oh, I left my phone in the car, didn’t hear it” I don’t know what kind of excuse/reason she gave to her employer, maybe they were more friends and it was a more relaxed working situation.
Blink and all, I really love this site. It’s refreshing to read intelligent thoughts/ideas and learn new perspectives without all the petty name calling and immaturity.
BOC,
IIRC, TH aka SM is a SAHM and a former FBB who plays WOW, goes on FB and may have PPD. LE aka MCSO thinks she hired a LS, possibly a LSL, to carry out a MFH on KH aka Biodad. Then KH got an RO, and now the DA has taken it all to the GJ. IMO, MCSO doesn’t like PCs, so the MSM is SOL. Of course, YMMV. MOO.
ITA, anyone?
Lol. BFD.
B
Whoa, either the timestamp is off, or some of you guys are posting from 2 hours in the future.
Duh.
I am Zoltan.
lol, working on it
B
That was awesome barista. I actually LOL.
DeDe Spicher Questioned By Grand Jury; Friends: She Says She Forgot Phone, Was at Work When 7-Year-Old Went Missing
I wonder if DeDe told her friends she disappeared from the job for over 90 minutes on June 4th and LE would love to know where she was for that time. Maybe the GJ can drag it out of her!
“A reliable source told KGW that investigators learned Spicher was doing gardening work not far from the Horman home in Northwest Portland on the day Kyron disappeared. Spicher reportedly left where she was working on the garden at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.
The person who owns the house, who was cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn’t answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.”
I was wondering about the underground network set up to help victims of abuse. If TH wanted to hurt KH by taking away his son, she could have made up a lie about KH abusing Kyron in order to manipulate the people of the underground network, in order to try and justify taking Kyron away from his dad. But, what is the likelihood that the people who might have been manipulated in this way by TH would continue to believe her story after all the sensational national media attention given to this case? I would imagine that it takes some pretty intelligent, resourceful people to develop such a secret network, and I have difficulty believing that at some point, they might be thinking that TH’s story doesn’t add up, and that they would be compelled to find a way to return Kyron back to his parents.
In my heart, I want to believe that someone with the best of intentions and the best care is taking care of Kyron, but intellectually, it just doesn’t seem likely.
I feel sorry for whoever did this. You have hurt so many people. Who have you hurt the worst? Yourself!! You have condemned your own soul to absolute darkness. Did you really think you could make something better?? Only one way for you to save yourself from eternal damnation…CONFESS!!! If you are someone who knows something, you are complicit, you are in danger too…TELL WHAT KNOW. God Bless Kyron and all who are grieving for him.
Much has been asked about who was the last person to see Kyron and when, and why can’t LE just confirm what they know one way or the other.
I think we need to stop stressing so much about wanting those details to be confirmed. (We can make do with multiple theories.) Seems to me that the less TH knows about what LE knows, the less able she is to make up an accurate sounding story in advance to explain it all away. When she is questioned under oath, if she tells only the truth, there will be nothing to conflict with what LE knows in regard to her movements.
If she has to make up an explanation, she would benefit (and the case would not) from knowing what the exact LE timeline at school is and who the witnesses are, according to LE. It is also a way to check whether she is telling the truth if she comes up with a story and wants to plea bargain, or when accomplices come forward and want to bargain for themselves. The case could be won or lost in the details if it is tried before Kyron is found. It’s probably a good thing that she hasn’t been questioned since she hired her attorney – she also can’t be sure exactly what LE has found out (to question her about) since the last time they questioned her.
If all of us here have the exact details from the LE investigation, we may not have a view that is as open-minded about the possibilities as, hopefully, we have now. In this maze of a case, being too focused may not be the best approach. (Organization is critical, however.)
Scientifically speaking, if you start at the beginning of a maze (real or on paper, etc.) by choosing a right or left wall to follow, and continue to follow that same side at all times, you WILL reach the end – no guesswork, no repeat dead ends, no failure. It may take you longer than someone who has an overview of the maze, has been through it before, or who guesses correctly here and there, but you will eventually succeed. That is the way I feel about this case.
@Barista, OMG, WTG, now I have to look up beejay’s site to figure out WTH you said. BTW, you gave me a smile TIA for that!
MOO…nah, I’ll never be able to do the “MOO” thing, still think “cow” when I see it.
I seriously wish ya’ll coulda been in my head while I was tryin’ to figure out “MOO”…thought maybe it was code.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@Barista
LOL fun post
RE: #16 Julie’s comment on August 2, 2010 at 1:48 pm re the local (Portland, OR) two part story in the Oregonian about Who Killed Mona (1962)…I saw that too. Cheap shot on part of The Oregonian. How horrible to have that appear at this time during the Kyron Horman case. It could have waited until a later date to appear in print. Shame on them. What purpose did it really have? Just to upset the parents, families of Kyron?
Julie, what did you think?
During the first few days of the media hoopla about DeDe Spicher in her Tulatin condo neighbor of the next door neighbors (who is closely connected to my best friend) said that the reports would even knock on their door at 9pm at night wanting to ask them questions about DeDe. They really didn’t know her that well. They taught their little girl to say “we know nothing.”
Justjane, hi. It seems likely that the gardning work Dede was doing on June 4 was part of a gardner/farmer apprenticeship.
This is from Oregonlive on july 22;
Spicher has served as the president of the condo association, and since April, was selected to work for Portland “Grocery Gardening” author Jean Ann Van Krevelen’s “Gardener to Farmer” Edible Gardening apprenticeship, learning gardening and cooking skills with the opportunity to take home a share of the harvest.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html
RE: 28.Mermaid14 says:
August 2, 2010 at 3:59 pm
This interview is truly heartbreaking even tho I can’t hear it since I am on my work computer. The pain the family is going thru is unbearable! Please tell them where Kyron is!!!
RE: 34.Barista says:
August 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I am amazed at myself since I got most of that!
@Barista, rotflol! BTW, myl.
I have learned a lot since I started coming to this site!
@ Barista:
WTF??
*** Blink: it may be OT, @ this point, as you posed this question several days ago, but I would like to offer my opinion from the standpoint of experience—if you feel this is redundant, please don’t post
“I have no idea what it means, if anything, in this equation, but I would also seek to understand a psych opinion about an “exercise fanatic” as Dede sees herself, that appears to be overweight continually.
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I can tell you, from personal experience, as a recovering anorexic, that looks can be VERY deceiving!
At the moment, I’m 30 yrs old and at a fairly average body weight, but, many people would be floored to find out that I have been struggling with anorexia since the age of 8.
I’ve had 4 major relapses of the disorder, 2 of which have occurred as an adult.
It may *sometimes* helpful to view this range of disorders in a similar way as a substance abuse disorder, or even self-mutilation disorder– that usually involves adolescent girls who ‘cut’ themselves to make them feel better.
What drives a relapse for *me* is usually an extremely stressful life event over which I feel I have very little control—- for instance, the death of a loved one, or, loss of a job.
It isn’t so much about my *weight*, or body image *per se*.
I’m ‘addicted’ to the way controlling my weight and food consumption gives me a general sense of power over my life— it literally releases endorphins and I get a sense of euphoria from watching that needle on the scale go down, when I’m in the grip of this disorder! It is a pathological and extremely self-destructive coping mechanism for dealing with other stress that I feel I *cannot* control.
When I manage to recover from a relapse, though, just like *anyone else* who yo-yo diets, the pendulum tends to swing further in the return direction…. and I end up gaining back more weight (if only slightly) than I actually lost in the first place. So, over time my body weight has actually increased steadily, despite these episodes of being dangerously under-weight.
I can tell you that despite my *appearance*, I’m still very much an ‘anorexic’ in the same way that a person who hasn’t had a drink in 20 years is still technically an ‘alcoholic’.
I *cannot* have a scale in my home— similarly, a recovered alcoholic can *never* allow herself to have ‘just one drink’.
Recently, my doctor did a fasting blood glucose test on me and discovered that my triglycerides are very high and that my FBG is slightly abnormal. He advised I lose 5 to 10 lbs, and cut all the sugar and white bread/pasta from my diet. I’m resisting getting started on this with GOOD reason!
I am both terrified and tempted by the prospect of opening pandora’s box!
I imagine that a recovered IV drug addict might feel the same mix of emotions, if offered a morphine drip, to control post-op pain following a major surgery or injury.
I feel, that TMH (and *perhaps* DS) may fall into a certain personality type, or mind-set, that I also belong to. Though I admit, I am *LOATHE* to admit such a horrifying possibility!
Perhaps, much of their behavior could be better understood, by classifying them as individuals who struggle with deep-seated power/control issues.
I *strongly* suspect that TMH, in her own way, is a control-freak.
When she begins to feel that she is losing control over her life—or the people in it— she looks to regain that control in unhealthy ways. Her bouts with body-building or ‘extreme exercising’ could be symptomatic of this.
JMHO.
Here we go!!! It’s 12:50 pm in Oregon.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx