Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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I heard on either KGW or Koin tv this AM that if DeeDee took the 5th, it would then open the door for her attorney to then negotiate a plea deal.
While watching the video of todays grand jury story and seeing Houze, it showed a man with short, dark hair in blue “jail garb” who looked like he was handcuffed that was standing next to Houze. I cannot find the video link of it. Did anyone catch that?
My best guess as to what happened:
Kyron leaves school that day with someone he knows. 75% chance that person is Terri, 25% chance that person is an associate of Terri. There is an associate involved, I believe, and this person is known to Kyron. Most likely – Terri hands boy off to associate. Perhaps the landscaper.
While Terri runs some errands, associate quickly kills the boy (I hate even typing that). Body is disposed of in a place that is almost impossible to locate. A place that has been per-determined and prepared in advance. On Sauvie Island. A place where the landscaper could be seen digging in the dirt and no one would ask any questions, because they think he is working there.
Sometime while Terri is supposedly “soothing Kiara’s earache by driving her around” – Terri goes to Kyron’s location to verify that the plot has been carried out. She has DeDe watch Kiara during this time.
Terri goes to the gym to “work out” ie change clothes and shower and perhaps work off some adrenaline…
Terri returns home and posts Kyron’s science fair photo on FB and waits… thinking that the photo and her errands + workout will provide enough alibi.
Motive? She really, really just hates the biological mom. Jealousy gone a many degrees too far. She just wants bio-mom out of her life for good and the only way to do that is to eliminate the one connection between herself and Desiree. She first tried to sever that link with the MFH plot against Kaine. When that didn’t work, she went to the next target.
watching dateline, oh gawd! how horrible! i want little kyron home!!!!
thanks for the update, blink. where is kyron?!
Quote from Blink:
“I look at it this way, I want this child found, and anything to facilitate that is a positive step.
No baby deserves to be out there discarded, he needs to be recovered.”
B
I agree! I can’t stand the thought of him out there, alone. Please, bring Kyron home!
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20.Shannon says:
July 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm
If DD was in fact not questioned at the GJ today, do you think that the purpose of having her there might have been that they wanted her to sit through it and listen to all of the testimony and evidence, with the hope that it would shock her enough to turn on TH?
Alternatively if they have an idea that she will absolutely not turn on TH, did they want to expose her to the details and then observe what actions she takes from there in terms of relaying her new knowledge of the evidence back to TH?
I am assuming of course that TH was not part of the GJ.
“Personally, I think there was an offline conversation between attorney’s, in which case they knew she would plead the 5th in certain subject matter. This is entirely speculative, but I think the focus was on the stronger case today.”
B
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Re: above post by Shannon:
I was once a part of a GJ and I think they had a subpeona for me, but didn’t need to use it because I agreed to go. And regarding Blinks answer to Shannon, I wonder if DeDe’s lawyer could be bargaining “immunity” for her if she testifies against TH? Which could hold up her testimony…If they know she will plead the fifth, perhaps they can use immunity as a bargaining chip. Please correct me if anyone has knowledge that they wouldn’t do this at this stage.
I am just curious, if anyone can answer this, can you plead the 5th at any stage in a trial, or just the GJ stage? Or would this be contempt? Wouldn’t eveyone plead the 5th? I don’t understand this aspect of this part of the process…TIA
The stronger case being TH’s involvement rather than DDs? Or the stronger case being the MFH and not Kyron’s disappearance? Or something different than either? I am so painfully aware of the reality that I am not as quick as some of the other readers to pick up on some of your subtleties, I know that there is always always information in there.
stronger case meaning solicitation vs. possible offenses based on Kyron’s disappearance.
My bad, I was vague.
B
Among all the other things we could accurately pin on her, TMH is a pathological liar.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-update-clarifying-stepmoms-entry-into-the-family/
TH telling a third party that she retained Houze with $350K was probably just some bragging/lying/sick *^&(.
I completely understand where Kaine and his attorney stand and why they are doing what they are doing, but if TH doesn’t say anything in a courtroom about the $350K, then I have to wonder what good this is going to do. Even if her claim is in her handwriting, can’t she just say, “I made that up to stop them from asking me personal questions about my attorney,” or some such thing.
B, do you think Terri will try to run? I don’t think it would be impossible to get out of Roseburg. She could get in the trunk while the car is in the garage. Of course she would have to dye that squirrel.
I think KH’s attorney is using this newest filing to aggravate and pressure TH into something. She needs to come forward and speak the truth. The more pressure they put on her, the more likely she will cave. I do believe they think it will take a mountain to move her….so this is just another 50 tons added to the pile.
KH and attorney don’t likely believe they’ll get any money…but, sooner or later she will have to appear in court and respond to these filings. The sooner the better. Also, any more slanderous media about Terri can only help their case. Such as…if Terri has agreed to “tell all” in trade for the funding of her defense…when she is unwilling to “tell anything” now to help Sweet Angel Kyron now, will only help their case.
Please God, let Kyron be found soon.
Blink I am assuming the stronger case is Kyron coming home?
@Shannon- they usually only have one person testifying at a time and their lawyer as they don’t want to let information out if there is going to be an arrest, it is like a secret really.
In the Dateline episode, when Desiree read the note that she had written as a plea for whoever had Kyron to let him come home, she never looked at the camera once. I know that she meant every word, I don’t question her sincerity and longing at all, but I felt as thought she knows that noone “out there” has him. She read it I think because she wants it to be true, but I think if she believed it to be true she would have been looking at the camera in between sentences. She would have been speaking to that person “out there” who she believed had him.
Is it likely that she didn’t testify because she requested immunity, and that she won’t testify until she receives it? I’m not sure if that works in a GJ hearing…
Blink,
Do you think that Kyron could have been found by LE already?
No
Shannon – I agree with you. I felt the same thing. I think because we have been told that LE doesn’t have evidence that has indicated he is not alive, we all want to believe he is alive and being held captive. Just because the perps covered their premeditated tracks well doesn’t mean a heinous crime has not been committed. I feel the only way Kyron will be found alive is if the kidnapper is totally random and not connected to TH. It just doesn’t make sense that he was taken by TH and her posse and still be alive. Surely they would have allowed him to be found safe at this point if they are the perpetrators and he is still alive.
I pray daily Kyron is found. It’s way past time for this family to know where he is.
Question for Blink or anyone in the know? Is there any time where you can NOT plead the 5th? It seems if you have valuable information in a case like this you should HAVE to tell all you know. It seems when I was listening to Annie Downing from the Casey Anthony case she did not have a choice and had to answer the questions asked of her when she was subpoenaed by the DA and the OCSO for her police interview with them I remember Linda Drane Burdick saying specifically that she had to answer every question when she started the interview. Could she have then pleaded the 5th? I remember when she was asked a question about giving some of her medication to a friend and not wanting to answer and her attorney (I believe) telling her to answer the question. So could someone give all the information in an interview and then get on the stand or in front of a GJ and then plead the 5th?
that is an interesting point When TH went to the gym on june 4.. did she leave wearing the same clothes?.. there would be video or surveillance camera at the gym entrance.. wouldnt there?
KGW News is now reporting that De De Spicher’s attorney says he will be surprised if an indictment is not handed down against Terri in the Kyron case.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html
zinnia-
always check the date on the links that you read as that was before Teri left her house. I do believe it was in the first week or so…
@zinnia: I did not see that quote in the link. I believe that was a quote from the first interview that Kaine & Desiree did alone, without either spouse.
OK I looked at this picture of DD and TH and I thought…BINGO….DD wants her. Then I listened to Desiree on dateline and she said it, ” Kaine had the relationship with TH starting in her 8th month preggers with Kyron”. I’ve suggested to you ladies that Kaine knows what Terri is all about. He sat right there on Dateline denying that he had any clue…BS ladies….he knew. Kaine and Terri did the dirty to Desiree. They went on to have a weird relationship…he disrespected her….he put his hand on her boob and was photographed that way. They are both loosey goosey
Kaine is a schmuck and Terri is a super schmuck and DD just wants Terri. I’ll bet DD was freaked out about Cook and Sanchez….that’ s what the LE needs to play up. Jealousy runs rampit all over this case. I feel so bad that this sweet little boy got caught up in it, however, both those boys in that house knows what’s been going down. Trust me….this household is messed up! I also go back to the fact that there is no way people at that school do not know the lowdown. I think everyone in that town…ought to just start telling the truth. And if that boy does come home…..Kaine Horman…….he gets to live with his mom! Kaine should of packed that boy up and let him live with his mom. I can throw this stone because I had to do that exact thing. It is the pits…but every kid really wants their own mother. period.
@Louise Gato: you said “Terri goes to the gym to “work out” ie change clothes and shower and perhaps work off some adrenaline…”
Yep, and what a handy place to wash off any forensic evidence… much safer than her own house, I’d guess.
If there isn’t a body found, couldn’t you still charge someone with kidnapping if you had enough evidence to show that part of it? Then if a body were found later, the murder charge could be used in addition. A child would have to be kidnapped to be murdered someplace other than “on the spot” where he was supposed to be. I have heard people attribute the delay in arresting Terri to not knowing for sure what charge to use and fearing they would only get one shot at proving whatever they charged her with, but it seems there should be ways to deal with that in advance (and I’m sure LE and the DA have worked very hard on getting it right).
I have always thought the delay was probably to be sure they had as much evidence as possible against any and all others involved – I would hate to see anyone who has even the smallest bit part in this “horror movie” get away with it. I’ve never felt this was a one person crime – but it’s quite possible, like the story of the blind men and the elephant, each participant had (was given) a different view of what was happening and why by the one who set it all up. If that’s true and becomes obvious, “loyalty” may finally be trumped by “reduced charges”.
Re: the FB Support TH postings re: Kaine, and how awful he is… I can’t find the post, but someone was referencing it, and I’d just put this out as a reminder, that the same TH advocates on FB may be the same people who started these lies:
“We were never friends,” Young said. “I didn’t meet her until after she moved in with Kaine.”
Both Kaine Horman and Young told WW that misinformation in the media had come from Terri Moulton Horman and her friends.
“There’s kind of this fairy tale out there, and there’s what there really is,” Kaine Horman said. “That’s how a lot of this information is getting out. It goes to Terri, and then it goes to other sources.”
From http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-update-clarifying-stepmoms-entry-into-the-family/
Another link on imminent arrest of Terri Horman–says it depends on DA:http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5623870/breaking_kyron_horman_case_arrest_likely.html
Do you have any evidence about Facebook postings among Skyline students who said there was a “creepy guy” wandering around Skyline the morning of June 4th?
Just wondering if this has been addressed.
On dateline, detective tony young stated he knew something was wrong with terri’s first polygraph because she was asked to take a second one.
YET
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html
Kaine Horman said Terri Moulton Horman came home from taking her first polygraph examination after Kyron’s disappearance and “vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house.”
@ Mosaic:
“Someone noticed that Dede removed the decal on the back of her vehicle. The decal said “Klamath County Dive Rescue”” – thank you for posting, i have noticed that right away but could not make out words (and was too lazy to work on the image)
Oregon Statutes – Chapter 136 – Criminal Trials – Section 136.619 – Immunity of witness compelled to testify:
(1) A witness who, in compliance with a court order issued under ORS 33.085 or 136.617, testifies or produces evidence that the witness would have been privileged to withhold but for the court order, may be prosecuted or subjected to any penalty or forfeiture for any matter about which the witness testified or produced evidence unless the prosecution, penalty or forfeiture is prohibited by section 12, Article I of the Oregon Constitution. The testimony of the witness or evidence produced or information derived from the testimony or evidence may not be used against the witness in any criminal prosecution. However, the witness may nevertheless be prosecuted or subjected to penalty for any perjury, false swearing or contempt committed in answering, or failing to answer, or in producing, or failing to produce, evidence in accordance with the order. If a person refuses to testify after being ordered to testify as provided in this section, the person shall be subject to penalty for contempt of court for failure to comply with the order.
Oregon Statutes – Chapter 136 – Criminal Trials – Section 136.617 – Proceedings to compel witness who may be incriminated thereby to testify:
In any criminal proceeding before a court of record or in any proceeding before a grand jury, or in any proceeding before a court of record under ORS 646.760, or in any proceeding for the imposition of remedial or punitive sanction for contempt, if a witness refuses to testify or produce evidence of any kind on the ground that the witness may be incriminated thereby, the prosecuting attorney may move the court to order the witness to testify or produce evidence. The court shall forthwith hold a summary hearing at which the prosecuting attorney shall show reasonable cause to believe the witness possesses knowledge relevant to the proceeding, or that no privilege protects the evidence sought to be produced. The witness may show cause why the witness should not be compelled to testify or produce evidence. The court shall order the witness to testify regarding the subject matter under inquiry upon such showing of reasonable cause or shall order the production of evidence upon a finding that no privilege protects the evidence sought, unless the court finds that to do so would be clearly contrary to the public interest. The court shall hold the summary hearing outside the presence of the jury and the public and may require the prosecuting attorney to disclose the purpose of the testimony or evidence. The witness shall be entitled to be represented by counsel at the summary hearing. [Formerly 139.190; 1975 c.255 §14; 1981 c.882 §1; 1991 c.724 §25a]
Just finished watching my recorded Dateline special on “Little Boy Lost.” (Dear Kyron, I do so badly want for you to be found safe.)
I am NOT knocking Desiree or commenting on Terri’s guilt or innocence with this, but here’s what jumped out at me as an outside observer:
(1) Desiree, after learning from both the 911 operator and then Terri herself, that Kyron is missing, says to Terri over the phone that she is on her way to Portland. Desiree is surprised that Terri’s response is along the lines of “You are?”
(2)Re-watching the first press conference with all four “parents” in light of (1) above: Terri, after looking up at Desiree in what has been described by another commenter as a “Judas look” (and I don’t necessarily disagree) looks down and closes her eyes in a prolonged manner that strikes me as extremely pained (remorseful?).
What I took away from this was that *IF* Terri is involved (innocent until proven guilty here in the U.S.), she was caught off-guard that Desiree would be this upset over losing Kyron. It speaks more to a perceived lack of Desiree’s involvement or investment in Kyron’s life by his day-to-day caregiver. I guess what I’m saying is that it seems Terri was caught off-guard by just how much Desiree cared for or was invested in Kyron.
I know it’s going to come across as callous to say this, but when the Dateline reporter says Desiree “wonders what she could have done to spare [Kyron] this nightmare? The thought gnaws at her”–my response was that Desiree could have “spared him” (IF Terri is actively behind his disappearance) by giving the impression to his day-to-day caregiver that he was an integral, primary part of her life; if she had given his day-to-day caregiver the impression that his presence or existence *mattered* this much to her.
I’m ending this comment with a heart-felt thank you to Blink for being able to stick with these horrendous cases concerning missing, abused, exploited, endangered children–because this academia-oriented commenter is started to learn she may not have the stomach to keep running with the big dogs. WHATEVER the f*cked up family dynamics are in this case, I just want BETTER for Kyron–and all the other real-world potential “Kyrons” out there.
I agree with Blink, this GJ and the talk of an arrest is probably related to the MFH being the stronger case, having said that I must say this, if that is what the arrest is related to then they still have no hard evidence on what happened to Kyron, only circumstantial. (sp) That breaks my heart.
The thought of any child out there like this breaks my heart and ALMOST makes me want to implant a GPS in my grandbaby. Now there’s something I never thought I would say.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
To me — Dede looks like someone who is trying to look very confident but is clearly overcompensating. Maybe that’s why she looks so smug and hoity toity. Whatever the case, I hope she’s smiling because she is doing the right thing by telling the truth and helping bring Kyron home.
@annie and onelil- re immunity and the 5th- I thought of this before they convened. If she stated her intent to plead the 5th, it is likely that they immunized her for a portion of her testimony. Blink may be able to confirm this, but I understand that if GJ wants to hear the testimony, and the person pleads the 5th, they can be immunized for part or all of their testimony. That means that the testimony received by them cannot be used against THEM (it can against another, though, is that right, B?). It’s a way to force a person who doesn’t want to testify to come forth with answers. There is no right to not testify against a friend. There is marital immunity, but DeDe isn’t married to Terri, that I’m aware of. I suspect that she either did plead the 5th, or stated her intent to do so, and that she was immunized for part or all of her (upcoming) testimony. GJ may wait to hear her, and try to find info another way (without immunity). Blink, do I have that right, re immunity?
There are a few key things that seem to be ignored. If Terri did do away w/Kyron & DeDe was involved during 1 1/2 hrs of her absence from her job, they were both back at home/job by 1:00 pm. I would think that Terri would have wanted to support her alibi further by suggesting to Kaine when he got home, lets go pick him up early, suprise him,& do the ice cream treat & pick-up the project. Why was that extra time needed? Even if she had put him in the water (ugh), police etc. would be looking around the school & would have never started at Sauvie Island. I think their has to be someone else, someone who needed that time. I still go back to Tanner Pumala interview that the family requested he not do, but the grandmother okayed. To me that spells hate.
Terri sexting landscaper & Mr. Cook leads me to believe that this is not the 1st time she has done this. Usually adults who cheat, cheat w/coworker, w/nieghbor,or parents of their childrens friends. I think maybe Terri sexted Tanners father at some point prior and his wife found out & family knew. I also think that she had something going on with Brians sister Ann who was a nieghbor to the Hormans. Am I the only one that thinks it is odd that she moved to Arizona the day of Kyrons disappearance. Could it be that Kyron was handed off to Ann & that she took him to Arizona (I love him, father abusing him, please help me get him safe, I will meet you there when things die down). I think this extra time was needed because Kyron was sitting up in a vehicle. Everyone was looking around the school, but perhaps Police somewhere in the state would have noticed him the back seat of a car. Ann & Brian Pumala are brother/sister, yet have not talked in a long time. Could she have used them both, thus shame/silence.
Nancy and Jackie, as I posted to the moderator only a minute after posting that message, I asked for it to be deleted and gave my apologies. I guess I was tired and too quick to post. When I read it I thought it said July and not June. Please forgive me. We all make stupid mistakes sometimes, right?
The moderator does a great job with this site. I regret making their job harder by my stupid posting.
Here is a link to a picture where Dede Spicher is leaving the court house yesterday with her smug look that personally I would like to slap off her face. Her Dad is in the background and in the other pictures does not look like a happy comfortable man. What has she put him in the middle of?
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html?gallery=y&img=2&c=y
You may invoke your Fifth Amendment Rights at any stage of the legal proceedings. There are different types of immunity, blanket and use. Blanket means what it says. Use means they cannot use your testimony against you, but can use other evidence.
Thanks for that explanation of immunity, Redrock. I read this earlier in the Casey Anthony case, but apearantly I needed this refresher.
@Puddenheadwilson: I respect your comments about what you believe that Desiree could have done to show TH how important Kyron was to her, so she would not dare harm him.
My take on it, however, is that TH is just one of those people who does not pick up on the feelings and non-verbal cues of others and the appropriateness or lack thereof of her own actions. I think we have seen this disconnect in TH’s personality: “not being able to read people and situations correctly in many instances”, 1) not realizing that the dr’s appt vagueness was lame, 2)evidently thinking that her alibi’s and crime would be ‘the perfect crime’, so she could ‘refuse to talk”, and also the main factor: 3) how it looks to the country to have a stepmom who would not bother to help an investigation, and who would refuse to help find the missing child, and 4) not realizing the firestorm that a child missing from school would create in LE and media interest nationwide. I could go on, with the sexting, LS,….as in “just not appropriate, at all.”
Something is very wrong in TH’s personality, imo, and it is not looking to me like depression, PPD, or insanity. It is just looking like a person who can only assess (mis-assess) other people’s feelings through her own way underveloped and distorted ego-centric narcissism.
Just about everything TH has done besides “losing” Kyron, and acting nonchalant about it, has been very odd also. The LS sex, the MS sexting, the misjudging that Kyron would be missed by anyone.
She acted like she thought it would not be a big deal.
I would say, major mistakes in reasoning and judgement on her part, all through this mess. The public has been sitting back watching her, and thinking, whoa, that just doesn;t add up for a reasonable person to be acting in those ways.
Oh one more thought, DDSpicher’s attorney said DD is no longer talking to Terri, I am wondering if DD has been granted immunity for her involvement, and if she has ‘flipped’ against TH?
If that is the case, then perhaps DD will lead LE to Kyron today.
Interesting that the school area was being searched again in the last couple of days, as if LE wanted to make one last effort to find Kyron before having to grant immunity to DDS?
I do not know what to make of the bags of items taken by LE from DDS’s home.
@ Blink – Re: stronger case meaning solicitation vs. possible offenses based on Kyron’s disappearance. My bad, I was vague. B
No no not at all, I suspected that was what you meant, but as Cathy Bickel posted that reality makes me sad too. I would like to see the other case gain enough strength to become a reality.
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NancyS says:
July 26, 2010 at 11:13 pm
@Shannon- they usually only have one person testifying at a time and their lawyer as they don’t want to let information out if there is going to be an arrest, it is like a secret really.
@Nancy -Thank you, I definitely did not know that, so I learnt something today.
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Annie says:
July 26, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Is it likely that she didn’t testify because she requested immunity, and that she won’t testify until she receives it? I’m not sure if that works in a GJ hearing…
@Annie – I am thinking that something in terms of that, or a plea deal, is what they are hoping will allow them to finish creating a case if they aren’t able to find Kyron.
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SouthernMom says:
July 26, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Shannon – I agree with you. I felt the same thing. I think because we have been told that LE doesn’t have evidence that has indicated he is not alive, we all want to believe
@SouthernMom – I agree that I think a lot of us still want to believe.
Not sure if my comment came through as the site keeps crashing on me. Blink, you popular girl, you.
I’ll resubmit: any chance Terri drove Kyron to school that day in a blue Explorer?
‘Cause I’m thinking Terri’s not our sociopath.
Terri, from what I see of you on the outside looking in through dirty windows, I am willing to bet you read this site. So, if you do…
It is time for this sick little game to stop!! There is an innocent, young child out there missing and a family hurting. Any mother who has carried a child, bore a child, cared for a child, raised a child, can completely understand that you child becomes your life. Not to mention, a child is definition of innocence, KYRON is innocent in whatever web have been woven here. One thing Kyron should not be, should never have been, is a pawn in a very sick game.
A missing child, an attempted murder-for-hire, an affair days after your step-son goes missing, a supposed attempted abduction of the baby after the restrining order – Geez Louise, enough already!
This is not a soap opera, a movie, a game, or anything of the like. This is real life, real LIVES! Somewhere along the line, something snapped, you made a wrong turn, and took a path that is leading you to a very, very dark place.
You may have gone to far to save yourself, but if you ever loved Kyron, if you have anything at all left in your heart and soul other than coldness, let Kyron come home!!!
You are not going to get away with this. THIS is not going to go away! The walls are closing in and the net is coming down. We are in the 4th quarter and the two minute warning has just been called – the game is about to be over. Where is Kyron??????
Re Puddnheadwilson’s July 27 early am post;
I enjoyed reading your well written post. I have a different take on the relationship between Terri & Desiree.
I don’t believe Terri cares what matters to Desiree.
I base this belief on what Terri did in the family’s first news conference. Terri was all over Desiree physically, even as Desiree stood frozen in a full body cringe. Terri was not comforting Desiree, because if she were, she would have read Desiree’s reaction and repected it by laying off the theatrics. Terri was violating Desiree on that stage and it didn’t matter her that she was causing revoltion on top of pain.
My conclusion was/is; Terri violates people. Nothing that’s been revealed since that first news conference has contradicted my initial reaction.
@ NancyS – Happy 50th Birthday! (my 40th was yesterday)
Body found yesterday afternoon in Willamette River:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Body-pulled-from-river-near-Newberg-99277669.html
Holding out hope that it notes the body was “possibly an adult”
Another article with photo:
http://www.newberggraphic.com/news/2010/July/26/Local.News/body.found.monday.afternoon.near.rogers.landing/news.aspx
If there is strong evidence in the MFH, I think taking that case to trial first is a positive move. If Kyron’s disappearance is in any way related to the MFH, i.e., if there is a common factor such as “lifestyle choice,” new evidence is likely to surface during the trial, or someone who is implicated in the trial may decide to offer information on Kyron’s disappearance in a plea bargain. Kyron’s disappearance is certainly the more pressing of the two cases since 1) if he is still alive, he is endangered and 2) if he is dead, it is the more serious crime. So, it is understandable that LE would want to wait until they have more substantial evidence to try that case to ensure prosecution.
To Blink, her editors, seasoned posters,
You have turned me into an avid BOC site reader! I am an *extremely* novice e-sleuth, and therefore, do not have much to add, I’m afraid. Just wanted to let you guys know what a GREAT job you’re doing, IMO, especially with this case and with Morgan Harrington’s.
I apologize in advance for any posts I make that are redundant or otherwise inappropriate… I do realize this is not an info query site, and I’m trying to catch on any info I may have missed by reading earlier archived posts.
Any advice you could offer a newbie, who’s trying to wade thru the intricacies of this site, would be much appreciated!
puddnheadwilson, you took the words right outta my mouth with regard to your thoughts after watching Dateline.
I’m wondering if they brought DeDe in to witness the landscaper testify before the GJ. Maybe DeDe ended up learning a bit more about her friend. Maybe DeDe didn’t realize Terri was also “friends” with the LS. DeDe might not be to happy now.
Re the post below (was #40)…
MaeBee says:
July 26, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Several have asked where I went with all of my so-called knowledge. Well I was lied to and felt at the time, I was not being helpful. I am still learning.
Two FBI agents came to our house on Friday and had quite a few questions. They were very professional and I was more than happy to help them in any way that I could. Being that I am a psychic medium was addressed but they came because of my friendship with Terri and family. We live in AZ so two local agents were sent to check out our house and to interview me.
… MaeBee: I’m just wondering who lied to you? (Obviously, you don’t have to answer me and may not want to). I’m wondering if you feel law enforcement lied to you? Or, since you indicated you are friends of the Hormans… Terri lied to you? Would you mind sharing?
@puddnheadwilson – Wow you noticed/analyzed the expressions from that press conference the exact way I did. TH totally looked as if she was surprised and remorseful to see how upset Desiree was, and the look also said to me “What was I thinking? I should NEVER have done this” (whatever “this” is). The classic bored housewife who got into trouble.
Also check out the look on Kaine’s face. Terri turns to him and wants to be comforted (an act? or did she really want his comfort?) He looks very uncomfortable even touching her, and he also looks GUILTY, as if it has dawned on him that he is partially to blame (indirectly) for causing this through whatever actions or behavior on his part drove Terri to do what she did (if she did it), and that now it has possibly/likely cost him his son’s life. It will be interesting to see how accurate this turns out to be – IMO looks can often be a real giveaway.
I just want someone to come clean. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for Kyron to be alive and that someone out there is hiding and taking care of him; he would surely have been turned over by now (sorry, odds are way against it IMO). But I want to see justice to whatever crazy idiot would take out their selfish needs on an innocent, trusting child, and I want to see this little boy found, no matter what else happens.
@blue – sorry you sound like TH or one of her friends, I’m not buying the “creepy guy” theory.
Hard to conjure up a scenario where Terri could come up with the money at all and second, for Kaine not to know about it. Maybe her family has mortgaged property or cashed in a retirement plan. Not sure if the house was ever jointly in her name. If it wasn’t, she could not encumber it. Personally, I think a $350,000 retainer is high and maybe a boast or a plant to see who is listening. Sometimes if people think they are being monitored, they intentionally will make a false disclosure in an email or text to see if it shows up somewhere.