Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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As to all the TH nefarious doings some are specualting. I would be beyond freakin shocked if she knowingly or intentionally got involved with child porn, drug, trafficking, etc.. I see a desperate and way-off woman, but I do not see any reasons or evidence for that kind of behaviour or activity. If someone has a source or proof than I’ll let it be, but I feel like that is shaky ground. Am I wrong to think this? Anyone agree?
Letsworktogether -
Don’t want to confuse you. Your post made me think about other comments about TH’s possible illegal activities. I wasn’t responding to your post.
I know that the odds aren’t probably in Kyrons favor of still being alive. I hate even saying that. But it seems to me that the more people that are involved, the less it is about just a revenge killing by TH, and more about a kidnapping or sex trafficking or something else. I don’t know what would motivate other people to get involved in something as hideous as a murder of a child. But I guess that if someone(s) have Kyron for some reason other than just to dispose of him, it would be very dangerous for them to hold on to Kyron all this time and not get caught or have suspicion lain on to them and their actions, considering how high profile this case is. MOO
I know, none of my bidness but I still would like to know just how much time did Ky really spend with D&TY? I know what the cust. agreement said but how often did they actually have him? I just keep thinking about the comment from TH re the 6/4 convo between TH and DY and D said she was coming up and TH said “oh, you are”. Did TH feel more for Kyron than most think she did. Did she remove him from the home because she was worried for him or do away with because of rejection/retaliation? Blink, you are awfully quiet on this one. More going on than you can say at the moment? I know you’ve said you are swamped with tons of work but something is really weird with this case!
OT: I heard this from an attendee at a professional meeting. A recent retiree from “XYZ” fed. LE agency said that at the time of his retirement, XYZ was continually monitoring, in real time, approx. 30% of all cell phone conversations in U.S. borders. Listening for certain “key words”. At which point ears perk up.
And that the plan of XYZ is to increase that percentage when their manpower capabilities increase.
Not news to anyone who reads newspapers much. I’d just never heard the percentage stated.
XYZ not officially likely to share that intel except to buddies in other agencies, who can use it for their own investigatory efforts.
I have been following this story from day one and I think all three of these “adults” have a share in the development of this situation although not all equally, of course.
Kaine had an affair when his wife was pregnant with their first child. Even if the marriage was ending, he didn’t have to torture Desiree like that during such a sensitive time when she needed kindness and support. The birth of a child should trump the petty problems of the parents. It should still be a time of joy. He could have waited until after the birth and the divorce to start an affair or perhaps allowed the child and the love they felt for him a chance to heal their marriage. This tells me he is somewhat cold and unwilling to delay the satisfaction of his needs for a higher cause…probably what Terri eventually found out about him as well. I also think it speaks to a lack of honor.
Desiree allowed a woman whom she did not like or trust and who had had an affair with her husband while she was pregnant with Kyron to actually raise Kyron? That would be over my dead body! Doesn’t she have parents or other family members who could have cared for Kyron while she was sick? Didn’t she get alimony and child support from Kaine? Nothing other than being dead would have caused me to allow what she allowed with her son. I don’t care about his adjustment to school or whatever…kids that young are resilient and no school is more important than a mother’s love. I am sorry to say this because I like her and my heart breaks for her but it is true and I think most mothers would agree.
And now on to Terri. Here is a woman who has been married three times. She had her second husband adopt her son from her first husband. She got a DUI while driving drunk with her young son in the car. She spent a considerable amount of time and money creating a freakishly “fit” body to win a contest one time and then became fat. Her father says she’s good with kids and she got a master’s so she could teach…but she didn’t. She had an affair with a married man who had a wife that was 8 months pregnant and moved in with him. Desiree stated that she knew her to be a liar. Considering all the above, what was it that made Kaine (or Desiree) think that this woman would be a good mother to their son? Was it really a surprise to Kaine that she wanted to get rid of him too and was sexting his high school friend? Seems pretty consistent to me.
I am reminded of the story of the gingerbread boy who accepts a ride across the river on the back of a fox and then is surprised when the fox eats him. He should have known that a fox would be true to its nature.
These people handed over the most precious gift that life has to offer to a woman with demonstrated serious character flaws and untrustworthiness and who had no vested interest in his welfare as he was not her son. Why? His mother was alive and could have raised him herself. If she didn’t want to or Kaine prevented her from doing so then some of the blame lies there.
I have followed many crime stories involving children and in most (not all) cases, there is a lack of dedication and sacrifice on the part of the parents regarding the welfare of their child and I think that this is partly true here as well. Many parents today simply cannot bear to suffer a lack of personal fulfillment for the sake of providing a safe a secure home for their child. They love their child but they are not willing to make the difficult choices that would impinge on their own desires. We are too much concerned with chasing our own personal happiness at any expense.
If I sound judgemental, I apologize because I really do think that Kaine and Desiree are decent people who deeply love their son and neither they nor anyone deserves a tragedy such as this. Rather, I am commenting on the accepted and unquestioned mantra of our times that the entitlement to having our personal needs met at all times and at all costs is some kind of natural right. It is profoundly unfair that innocent children should pay the price for our self-indulgence.
I cannot believe that little Kyron has not been found yet!
I think someone threatened to kill Terri if she slipped up or made mention of the plot to kill husband- now that things went wrong- Kyron was the pawn to even the score
just a theory- but it could explain her intensely odd behavior
So where is Kyron this morning?
Is he eating snacks and watching cartoons
that is the question
@Shelbar: you made a very good point IMO. 10:00 was the time when classes were due to start. I believe you might be right in that she may have waited until shortly after 10 to be sure the coast was clear to get on with her dastardly day. We keep hearing about 10 and I think that is the reason why.
@angelab: I do believe she may have wanted to sue the school at some point, and the backpack was set up to be part of the alibi and “why didnt someone at the school notice his backpack was there”. She already made a comment like that in the emails that the news agencies had put up just the other day. I think the plan was foiled a bit because she did not expect the intensity of LE on her butt. Quite possibly she had plans to check on Kyron at some point if he is being held nearby (and given timeline I believe he prob is nearby), the fact that LE was basically camped at her house prob threw her off quite a bit. Foiled again.
@beejay If we assume Terri planned to sue the school, half of Kaines money becomes her money after a divorce. JAT
Sue the school or hold Kyron ransom-Lindberg plan changed to chicken with head cut off plan when either greed kicked in by (LS), Kyron unexpectedly recognized other party (LS), or Kyron was hurt by LS while putting up a fight.
DD was called on a whim to help watch Kiara and probably fed a line about LS and TH having a lover’s dispute (where possibly LS was threatening TH to tell Kaine about affair or hurt one of the kids). Loyal friend helps her girl who has endured years of ‘torment’ by husband and needs help covering affair. Heck DD probably felt sorry for TH when she believed LS took Kyron to get back at TH for ‘something’.
@letsworktogether, I agree it was a lending/out of control situation. She couldn’t control the other parties involved, all she could think about was her desires, her plan, how the ends would justify the means and had no consideration for Kyron’s safety.
enumenclawrose,
If I may interject, I believe Blink answered your question about what is the “moral cesspool they are playing in.” She excluded the parents,DY, TY, and KH and, by extension, the grandparents Moulton.
The person or persons who chose to act in or cause the dissapearance of “a 7 year old baby” a part of their selfish, greedy, insidious personal (narcissitic) and lifestyle choices (e.g. sexting/affairs) is an immoral being of the worst kind who deserves “to pay dearly.”
There isn’t going be further comment about the lifestyle choices, the ‘moral cesspool.’ Suffice it to say that pool caused the dissapearance of darling Kyron Horman.
Dalai Lama’s Facebook status today:
“If we truly desire to be happy, there is no other way to proceed but by way of virtue: it is the method by which happiness is achieved. And, we might add, that the basis of virtue, its ground, is ethical discipline.”
@Rich M
You said, “If we assume Terri planned to sue the school, half of Kaines money becomes her money after a divorce. JAT”
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I know. That’s why I was talking about her needing to convince Kaine to file a lawsuit. That’s not something everyone is willing to do for various reasons. Not wanting the legal fees, which they may/may not recover, may have to pay some upfront and create cashflow problems. Knowing they’re up against a govt. schl. system which has deeper pockets than they do. A civil suit often goes to whoever can wait/pay atty. fees best. Not wanting to go thru the publicity, court action.
It just wasn’t a sure thing by any means.
Snapoutofit quoted Blink word-for-word in a comment to KATU’s site, but without proper attribution. The quote was this: “MCSO is using the family (appropriately) and the media to progress leads in this case too.”
Here is the link to the story:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100392859.html#idc-cover
and the quote was in response to a comment made by in response to a post made by lupo316.
In other words, s/he was plagiarizing Blink, passing off her words as his or her own original thought.
Seems like a strange thing to do.
Yowza. True. If a poster there can provide a link to the origin I would appreciate it.
B
Goin’ keep it short, really! I was re-reading entries, especially Blink. (Blink-think!) last nite after I posted. Was Kyron kidnapped from a kidnapping so to speak? Was someone TH sort of trusted (if you could call it that in the middle of gross criminal behavior) out for their own agenda and double-crossed he?. Then the most vile of all deeds occurred to a child by a true evil pervert. But then it confuses me why they searched so much so hard recently around DeDe’s work place. Anyway, that is this morning’s current basic thoughts I am looking at.
25.Dee says:
August 14, 2010 at 11:39 am
^^^^^^
Cha-Ching~!
Dee says:
August 14, 2010 at 11:39 am
Great post Dee. Agree 100%!
Dee said: Desiree allowed a woman whom she did not like or trust and who had had an affair with her husband while she was pregnant with Kyron to actually raise Kyron?
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Dee,
I don’t think Desiree had a choice. She was seriously ill. I believe she had kidney failure. I’m sure she would have rather had ANYONE take care of little baby Kyron than the trashy woman who was having an affair with her husband while she was pregnant, but Kayne IS the father and he has rights too, so that is where Kyron went to stay. I don’t know how long it took for Desiree to recover, but I believe it shows how much she loves that little boy in how she didn’t demand that he be taken out of Kayne’s home and returned to her and possibly cause more trauma for him as he most likely had attached and bonded with his caregivers (Kayne and Terri.) Reminds me of the King Solomon parable about cutting the baby in half. If anything shocks me the most is that Desiree isn’t on trial for murder. (Murder of TH.) She must follow the Dalai Lama’s advice…
Personally, I would like to request that we stick to facts and discussion that is progressive to locating Kyron Horman.
I don’t know about y’all, but my glass house is missing a panel or two.
However, by the grace of God, my children are not. If Kaine and Desiree have made peace in their relationship for the sake of Kyron, who the Hell are we to judge.
That said, it is ignorant to think that poor decisions do not ultimately affect your children.
If you have a missing panel, for Heaven’s sake, build a new and stronger one from the lesson you learned.
B
Dee says:
August 14, 2010 at 11:39 am
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Everything you said. Are you my missing brain-clone?!
And what you described with Ky’s several parents is the background against which this travesty happened. Perfect setting for disaster. It’s amazing that more doesn’t go wrong.
Oh, and why are so many kids impulsive, unable to delay gratification, and emotionally screwed-up in a whole host of ways? They model it after their family and culture. Plus the adults are personally incapable of nurturing children or setting appropriate limits, so kids don’t develop healthy psyches or life skills. Adults can’t give when they don’t have it inside. But then, don’t get me started…because I don’t know the solution short of licensing people to reproduce.
Is this winding saga ever going to end? Blink has been doing this for a long time. She has learned patience. The rest of us following our little man Kyron find it hard to continue to wait to find out where he is and get the resolution for the parents.
Dee, I can appreciate and understand your take on the situation. We all feel anger and become somewhat judgmental when an innocent child has been harmed.
I would like to offer some support for Desiree and possibly some insight to her actions. It is a fact that she suffered from a life threatening illness. She was aware that she could possibly die. We don’t know if she actually had support from family or friends or if she had anyone who would take Kyron if she passed away. Maybe she believed and still does that Kyron was better off with Kaine than anyone in her family or her friends. She is a loving mother who faced a horrific decision and I believe she made her decision with Kyron’s best interests in mind. What Terri has done is not Desiree’s fault.
There is also the question of money. It’s likely that Desiree did not have the financial resources available to her to fight Kaine for full custody. I think it was obvious to her that Kaine adored their son so I can understand her resignation possibly believing it would be better for Kyron to be with Kaine in the case she did not make it. I think they (Kaine and Desiree) worked out visitation and custody issues with Kyron’s best interests in mind. It is not their fault nor can they be blamed for anything Terri has done.
It does not make them horrid people to have been suckered by Terri. After all, there were a million or so Germans who hailed Hitler.
I have a problem with the theory that Terri was planning on suing the school? who makes a child disappear for the sake of suing a school? I think the motive is the hate she has for Kaine. period.
I posted this earlier at around 11:15am and I didn’t see it posted after moderation, so I am posting it again. I hope I didn’t say anything inappropriate or offensive. If so, obviously, just delete. :0)
@neighbor, thank you for answering one of my questions about cell phone pinging. So, does that mean that LE can hone in on the pinging after the fact, or only going forward, when they know about certain phones being used? Can they also go back and listen to prior conversations and see texts that were sent, possibly on June 4, of those phones that were disposable?
I have thought about a possible sexual relationship between TH and DS, but I did see an interview of DS’s ex-boyfriend from CBS on scaredmonkeys.com. I would post it here, but I can’t find it now. So I know that doesn’t rule out that DS and TH are lovers, but it does show that DS has been romantically connected to at least one man.
By the way, I hate just lurking on a site, but there seems to be a lot of interesting discussion going on at scared monkeys. I was wondering, are they very picky about who they allow to join their group? I tried to create an account there on their forum site a few weeks ago, but I am still awaiting confirmation that they have accepted me as a member. Is there a vetting process or something, or could it be that the moderator just hasn’t gotten around to accepting me? If they don’t want me there, (sniff, sniff) it’s okay, but I guess I’ll just continue lurking. I’m fairly new to this sleuthing stuff, and I have great regard for the people who are so knowledgeable and insightful about the detective work that goes into trying to solve these tragic cases.
I know that the odds aren’t probably in Kyrons favor of still being alive. I hate even saying that. But it seems to me that the more people that are involved, the less it is about just a revenge killing by TH, and more about a kidnapping or sex trafficking or something else. I don’t know what would motivate other people to get involved in something as hideous as a murder of a child. But I guess that if someone(s) have Kyron for some reason other than just to dispose of him, it would be very dangerous for them to hold on to Kyron all this time and not get caught or have suspicion lain on to them and their actions, considering how high profile this case is. MOO
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL:
While I appreciate you providing the link to the criminal, yes, I said CRIMINAL content on Kyron’s case, I will not be posting it here under any circumstances will that get a hit from here.
It has been brought to the attention of the appropriate agency.
Please don’t be offended if I deleted your post with it, is not you, it’s me.
B
B
After all the reading I wonder how much Kyron told his mother, Desiree? I am thinking of my 7 year old grandson. It’s hard to get him to talk but if I prepare a snack and sit with him he seems to tell all. The girls will tell everything but boys are different.
I wonder how distressed Kyron really was in the months leading up to his disappearance? He told his mother he wanted to live with her but a lot of children from broken homes will do that.
I think I would know if my child was actually scared or just wanting to be with me? And then I think Tony, the stepfather was a detective. Did he see anything unusual? Did he catch something not right?
I have to question all of that. Kaine raises a big question mark. Was he there? Did he know anything going on in his own home?
Elizabeth, I love your comment.
It hits home for me, because our children are close with their gdpts, and sometimes, we even tag team, if an issue arises that may be best suited for Mom Mom or Grandpop- I know you will know what I mean.
From her own words, I believe Desiree knew immediately that Ky’s disappearance had something to do with Terri. I can confirm Tony did. As reserved as we were to develop leads and information in this case, the first press conf told me that I could expect this to lead to Terri in some fashion, among other observations.
I think Kaine to a degree was very in the dark about anything having to do with Terri, really-
That is not an insult, I think he trusted her.
Recently, I poured over pics, and intel we developed, again, as is SOP.
I am telling you, this person is not capable of putting Kyron into a vortex- feet from his classroom.
Apparently someone she knows, is.
B
Author, Former Deputy Weigh In On Kyron Case
Boy Missing For 10 Weeks; No Arrests Announced In Case
…Attorney and former sheriff’s captain Bruce McCain helped host Friday’s four-hour radio special on KPAM and said resolution in the case could be far off.
“This may be one of those cases where the public might just have to be resolved that it may not be resolved for a long time, if at all,” McCain said. “So, until they find out what happened to Kyron, you are not going to see an arrest or any prosecution.”
Crime writer Ann Rule, who has written about Ted Bundy and Diane Downs, joined the discussion and said the Horman case is puzzling. She and McCain said odds are against someone holding the boy for 10 weeks.
“When there’s two people involved, someone’s always going to break. Someone’s going to tell on the other one when it gets too dangerous for the other person,” she said…
http://www.kptv.com/news/24628356/detail.html
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>>Someone’s going to tell on the other one when it gets too dangerous for the other person,” she said…<<
Hmm – not so sure about that. I think we're dealing with Casey Anthony #2 and #3.
Sad to hear Bruce McCain state this –
"This may be one of those cases where the public might just have to be resolved that it may not be resolved for a long time, if at all," McCain said. "So, until they find out what happened to Kyron, you are not going to see an arrest or any prosecution."
I hope for Kaine and Desiree this is resolved very soon.
Excuse if this has been covered already. AL, in that reporter’s interview did say that TH had Kiara in her arms at the Freddy’s where she encountered her between 9:30 and 10 on June 4. Apparently koin6 had excluded that from their earlier online version. But it has been added recently–see:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
NancyS revenge on Kaine is definitely up there for motive, I agree with you. On the other hand TH with her years working in schools and a Masters in education is an expert at what a school is liable for and to what extent. She was very familiar with how laid back Skyline was on reporting absences. If she was at all familiar with the following story whereby the family sued for 12 million after their 10 year old was released to a wrong person and killed (by the stepmom), she was probably aware of the amount she might get away with for a ‘wandered off Kyron’ and no one from the school calling about his absence.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html
Maybe her intention was to sue the school (knowing they would settle), divorce Kaine and get half the money they acquired in the settlement. Maybe she promised her lover part of the money at settlement and the rest when she ‘left’ Kaine and moved in with said lover.
Maybe maybe all day I know. Maybe isn’t bringing Kyron home, if it did he would have been home 2 months ago.
17.jmmanddwm says:
August 13, 2010 at 5:35 pm
I’m more of a lurker than a poster but something has been bothering me all along, so thought I’d throw this out there and see what others think. I’m having a hard time reconciling the supposed degree of planning, premeditation and cunning that some ascribe to TH, with all of the behaviors she displayed after Kyron disappeared, and which have generated so much suspicion. For example, if she was so cold and collected to be able to whisk him away, do him in and dispose of him in a few hours (seems like a huge task to me) and then return home and jump on the computer with nary a hair out of place, why would she then be so obtuse as to engage in an ongoing display of behaviors that so many believe are “off”? For the record, I have no idea what really happened and who is responsible and no real hypotheses either – whole situation seems bizarre. Prayers for Kyron.
Who meticulously plans a kidnapping that makes Lindberg look like a hack, and then runs around like a chicken with their had cut off for hours with their phone on, pinging away?
Somebody in a freakin panic.
B
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IMO, I think that someone that has the capacity to harm or put in the way to harm their own step-child, isn’t dealing with a full deck. TH isn’t a serial killer. But I do think she thought she could get away with this (if in fact she is guilty) because she didn’t believe anyone would suspect her. I think that serial killers are just that because they are meticulous, part of the thrill is getting away with murder, out smarting people, the act of victimization and are so meticulous they end up with many victims left behind before they are caught. Also, I think for serial killers their crimes have a calming effect for them. I don’t think this would be true for TH. No matter how thought out it was, she’d have to be a mess. I think that TH (again if guilty) was doing this for a specific purpose that had nothing to do with “victimizing” Kyron in her twisted mind. It was just a means to an end for her. Like I said, I don’t think that TH thought anyone would point the finger at her which is why she was so “appalled” the day after, as we see in her emails. And for a “normal” person to do such a thing, well, I think TH must have been pretty panicked, so her odd behavior after the fact fits like a glove. While this may have been planned I think that it’s also impulisve and desperate on her part, and people that are acting out badly in desperation are going to act odd.
@ Dee #25 – OMG I read your post and found myself saying, “YES.” We’ve all been so wrapped up in what Terri has or had part in doing, we’ve never considered the rest of it (not that I don’t think Terri is guilty of being a part of Kyron’s disappearance, I in fact DO think she is involved).
But as much as they are grieving, Desiree and Kaine bear HUGE responsibility for what happened to Kyron. They KNEW Terri all too well and what kind of person she was/is. Okay, 3 marriages and a DUI with her own child in the car and an affair with a married man who has a pregnant wife, and Desiree says she knew for 7 years Terri was a liar – hmmmmmm, not stellar “Mom” material. Desiree eventually got well and she should have moved heaven and earth to get Kyron back. She wasn’t even at the science fair. I know she was working, and maybe she couldn’t get the day off, but I wonder if she even asked for it? It just doesn’t seem like she was playing the role of a parent – more like an aunt who loves her nephew. And Kaine, well to summarize, he just did a lot of really stupid things, starting with getting involved with TH in the first place while he was living with a wife he had impregnated.
How could ANY little boy possibly be happy and secure living in the same house as Terri, considering her “background.” IMO she did not love and care about this child and to her he was a pest. Do you see ANY pictures of Terri hugging or holding Kyron as if she loves him dearly? No. It’s always the baby she’s holding or looking at, and Kyron is off to the side somewhere. Of course he sensed it. Strongly. And probably acted out on it. Which made him more of a pest to TH. He was probably driving her crazy. But he’s just a 7-year-old child. Children DEPEND on adults as role models and that’s how they learn certain behaviors and develop certain emotions, and whether these are positive or negative depends on the adult.
How on earth both the biological mother and father could be okay with Terri being a parent figure to Kyron for even one day is beyond comprehension. I don’t doubt DY & KH love Kyron (in photos of him with either of them the love is apparent), but they must have both had a screw loose somewhere to let a nut like Terri have ANY influence in his upbringing. This whole thing is so sad, it bespeaks parents who didn’t put their child ABSOLUTELY FIRST, ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS, and now they will have to live with that guilt.
Sorry, I’m just so angry and frustrated about what happened to this little boy and how EVERYONE he depended on failed him and I just had to get that out by typing it so I wouldn’t carry it around all day. MOO
Blink: It has been brought to the attention of the appropriate agency.
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Thank you!
Is the “criminal content” site the “documentary” I saw on the internet this morning? If so I am completely sick…….
Wow, B, regarding your General Announcement to All, I wonder if it is what I watched this AM and regarded as just to freaky and factless to share.
http://intensedebate.com/people/snapoutofit
Blink, this may not help but it’s all of the postings by snapoutofit including the one given above. You might get more from intensedebate – I don’t know since there is apparently no profile of this person.
I think I have seen the name on other sites, but some sites don’t let you follow all of a poster’s comments like intensedebate.com does.
Oh, perhaps others have sent this, so yes, delete if true
Unbelievable………
http://www.kgw.com/home/Family-develops-website-for-Kyron-100669459.html
“And if what happened at the KPAM studios Friday afternoon is any indication, public interest in the case is high. Former Sheriff’s Captain Bruce McCain answered callers’ questions and listened to their concerns.
“‘It’s going along about as smooth as it can be despite the fact that we don’t know where Kyron is,’ said McCain.”
I heard and saw McCain on a TV news report also say (but didn’t find it in any written articles) that the public may just have to get used to the fact that this case is going to take a long time – and may never be solved.
That’s the first time I’ve heard any of the retired guys who talk all the time say the case may NEVER be solved. Actually, it’s the first time I’ve heard anyone at all say it around here. May be true, but I don’t think it was appropriate to say at this point.
I think it’s time for me to join the “I want to punch Terri Horman in the face” Facebook page!
snip from blink:
“Recently, I poured over pics, and intel we developed, again, as is SOP.
I am telling you, this person is not capable of putting Kyron into a vortex- feet from his classroom.
Apparently someone she knows, is.
B”
Blinkity Blink Blink,
Slow on the uptake today..what is SOP?
and who is “this person?” Terri? Desiree?
Can you clarify for me or others that may not understand your statement? Including the vortex part? Assuming you are talking about Th,are you saying that you don’t think she “put him” somewhere, or even arranged it? Ot that TH is simply not capable of harming Ky herself?
I LOVE reading your perspective!!! And I look forward to it everytime I see the bold type. I want to understand what you mean.
TIA – Minima
Mimima- respectfully, I empathize with your question.
I am very limited in how I can respond on occasion, and because of that, I choose my words carefully, so I respect you taking the time to take them seriously.
SOP- standard operating procedure- my bad, I am an acronym gal.
Kyron literally vanished from an LE perspective. We all know that is impossible.
This is standard occam case, minus the razor.
WHAT does that tell you ??
B
Blink, do you think if Terri would have fessed up immediately about whatever part of the plan or planning she was involved in, Kyron would have been found alive quickly?
Oh and a little side note:
We have talked about DY and KH and their parenting here a zillion times, everytime I feel defensive, especially of DY. My opinion is she probably hated TH for “ruining her life” at some point, but was such a decent human she didn’t want to allow her personal anger towards her affect her child. And if you look at all those pictures of the Hormans, they “looked” great, a happy family. I can’t imagine the fine line DY walked all those years and what she may be going through now, kicking herself. I heart DY and my heart just breaks for her.
As for KY I think he probably wanted things to work and TH was a peice of work so he numbed out a bit. Focused on work and making things work as well as possible. Hindsight is 20/20, ALL of us have things in our life that we later see, we coulda, shoulda, woulda done differently, paid more attention, listened to the little voice in our heads. This is just the worst possible situation to have to be doing that in! I learned along time ago glass house don’t withstand the elements of life.
Blink, were you asking for a link to your comment later used by snapoutofit?
It’s here in this thread clicking back through @ 11 pages;
Eloise says:
August 10, 2010 at 9:10 am
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-grand-jury-meets-indictment-imminent/comment-page-34/#comments
I have been catching up this morning since I was in Seattle for the past few days to take my daughter to orientation at the U of W. So, I don’t think this has been posted yet:
I watched Wednesday’s press conference with my oldest daughter and we discussed the proceedings while they happened. First, the presser was held at the Brooks Hill Historic Church. The first few pressers and interviews were held there and then the investigation and pressers moved to the MCSO in SE Portland. Why did they move back to the Church? Maybe because they were trying to mentally shift everyone back to the beginning?
When they first showed the locations of the truck on Skyline, I made the comment that those photos looked like they were taken from the Brooks church (directly across the street) and that they were trying to send a message to someone that they were seen on June 4 by someone in the church. My daughter said that the pictures had to have been staged later because there were no cars around them. Others here have mentioned the wall of hope and I would add the grass around it looks very dry like it does right now. So the pictures were staged, but shown as they would have looked from the church. “A specific tool designed for a specific audience . . . ”
In the search photos linked by beejay, there was a picture of an upstairs window at the church with a caption on it that said “looking for the video camera”. It made me wonder if there was a video camera in the church on June 4 or if it has been placed there since to provide surveillance in case one of the culprits returns to the scene of the crime. Anyway the presser being at the church and the photos seemed highly intentional to me.
Interesting that Stensen’s comments come to light at this time. As the groundskeeper for Skyline, would he have been an associate of Rudy’s?
Given all the info released and suggested at the presser, I suspect Terri’s phone pinged near Newberry Road at Hwy 30 between 10:30 and 10:45. Notice that they asked if anyone had seen the truck on the roads between the Walker FM and Dede’s work, and then the roads between Dede’s work and Hwy 30. Rather than running around like a headless hen, it sounds like a clear path to me. What they didn’t ask was if anyone saw Terri’s truck on Sauvie Island which is not far from Newberry.
@ MockingbirdSings: As a lifelong sufferer of sensory integration disorder and as the mother of three sufferers, I really appreciated your post on the subject. We don’t have Aspergers, but we are highly sensitive people. I suspected Kyron had those issues from his apparent preference of baggy clothes and his fear to be without his glasses. The clincher for me was when I heard that he hated the sounds of fireworks. I still remember being frightened of sirens and the icky feel of tights. My kids would only wear one kind of socks and fought anything that didn’t feel or taste right. Someone who doesn’t understand these quirks would be easily annoyed by them. My son’s second grade teacher was highly annoyed by him, but I employed the experts at the school to advocate for my son, instead of what Terri seems to have done.
@Blink, you said:
I am telling you, this person is not capable of putting Kyron into a vortex- feet from his classroom.
Apparently someone she knows, is.
B
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Totally agreed, having never laid eyes on her. History I’ve seen on her shows she’s barely been able to keep herself glued together. Lots of anxiety; one addictive behavior after another. Pitiful, really.
As to the “someone”, is he an amateur or a pro at this?
@19.enumclawrose says:
August 13, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Pretty please, with stevia on top…
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of her stepson?
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With all due respect for Blink, I don’t think that she is going to reveal this and jmo I don’t think that she should. So, we are left to our own devices and eventually it will all come out some day.
Thinking “sexually motivated” criminal disappearance of a child could leave the motivation itself going off on many different limbs. For me, MOO has to be that Kyron was not the sexual target, or I will go from less sleep to NO sleep each night.
Come home, sweet little boy.
A few thoughts to share while we are all in this painful holding pattern, waiting for something to give (as far as we, the general public, are privy to) on this case. Every time someone throws a bone at us–”we have no evidence that he isn’t still alive” and all that–it just makes things even more painful.
We keep referring to the “failed” MFH plot. Anyone wonder whether it wasn’t REALLY failed? That Kyron’s disappearance is part of *THE* MFH plot? Someone posted a theory here about a plan for Kaine to be “accidentally” killed while delivering ransom payment. It seems a little Hollywood to me, but maybe Terri along with Rudy and his associates thought they could make it happen? “Backfire,” as Blink once said. I’m just wondering if maybe this is the answer to our question about why LE would ask Rudy to go to Terri and ask for money in the sting. This might explain it. If Kyron’s disappearance was all part of this effed-up MFH plan, maybe he was asking for payment even though the end result never happened? Just a thought.
BTW, just an odd little tidbit. I remember when I first started following this case, I found someone link to TH’s eBay purchase history. At that time, there was a link to a “Learn to Speak Spanish” book that she had bought a few months prior. I didn’t think much of it at the time because we didn’t know about the involvement of RS and possible AS then. Now it seems kinda interesting. I see that the link is now gone–I think eBay automatically takes down those links after a certain period of time has passed.
Anyway, just a few thoughts. Yours in sadness as we wait for justice for Kyron.
This is standard occam case, minus the razor.
WHAT does that tell you ??
B
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Hypothetically speaking that tells me the most obvious and simplest answer is she dun it, but we don’t have proof of how or who helped.
Or the razor belongs to someone else, albeit borrowed.
At the end of the day, the information is known, this is a prosecutorial case.
B
No disrespect, but before we get too hung up on blaming Desiree for not trying to get custody of Kyron back, let us not forget that unless she had significant evidence that Kaine was a dangerous and totally unfit parent to Kyron (it takes a lot more than “he married a liar” or other issues between adults), Kyron would have spent a great deal of time there anyway, including times when Kaine was not at home. Since the existence of Terri’s risky behaviors had nothing to do with Kyron being around, he would still have had some exposure to them (including the MFH) and to her parenting, such as it was. At that point, no one had enough evidence to indicate to Kaine or a judge that Terri was a threat to Kyron.
Going to court should be a last resort. If Kyron were just starting to express his feelings about going back to Portland after visits, and not able to articulate the problems, I think most parents who are not looking at this in hindsight would hang in there and try to learn more about his feelings and whether they were temporary for some reason. Summer vacation was coming, along with more time to talk to his trusted adults. Kaine may not have been as trusted in that respect if Terri had said enough to Kyron to raise doubts, especially after James left. (You know if you don’t keep this secret or behave as I say, your dad will find a place to send you, like he did James, and it won’t be to your mom’s – she’s not in charge of you . . . )
Kyron’s parents had a visitation arrangement that seemed to work well. It would take a lot of evidence to convince a judge to change that for such a young child without Kaine’s agreement, and I believe Kaine would have fought a custody change. Kyron was too young for a judge to consider his desires regarding custody.
Here’s another thought. It appears Terri did the driving to take Kyron halfway, at least some of the time. Perhaps she was delivering more than Kyron to or from Eugene. Based on our fairly regular news stories, drugs or counterfeit money come to mind since Eugene is such a convenient stop along I5. The latest example: http://www.kgw.com/news/Oregon-police-warn-of-fake-100s
100618224.html
There’s also porn, stolen property, fake ID documents, and who knows what else that needs to be moved around.
Someone else’s idea.
The school should have had staff on duty in the halls and anywhere that students may have been entering the school at all times. Even during a class change, a restroom break or any reason that a child would be from seven in the morning until four in the afternoon. The teacher who saw Kyron’s belongings on his desk should have recognized immediately the necessity to report this and have it checked up on….a huge red flag. Certainly in the room where the exhibits were should have been well staffed. In this day and time all school’s should be aware of domestic issues, criminal issues and personal issues that affect the children. Hopefully, Skyline will have a huge staff development session on these issues and better procedures in process for this new school year.
I am in no way blaming the school or school district for whatever took place the day Kyron disappeared. The person or persons responsible would have found another way to do whatever they did. However, the way it all seems to have taken place, the school could have made a huge difference in the outcome. Hours passed before Kaine knew Kyron was missing….and it could have been minutes.