Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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OOPS:
From previous post regarding Andrea Leckey, meant to say this was the longest encounter she ever (not eve) had with Terri.
Subject to change, but yes, right ballpark.
B
foobros says:
August 13, 2010 at 8:42 pm
I like your timeline Shannon. It works. The only thing I wonder about is the cell phone pings. You would think that while disposing of the body, the pings would show that TH & DD were in one place for a while.
@ foobros: thanks for the feedback. I believe that the general opinion is that DD left her cell phone in her truck at the farm while she was unaccounted for. So the cell phones would not line up in terms of location necessarily. Not that this makes my theory correct.
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enumclawrose says:
August 13, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Could TH and DD do this, did they have time? Yes. Is that the story? I say no.
@ enumclawrose: I do agree with you that I am certainly nowhere close to 100% convinced this is the story. It seems like it could have been anything.
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Midwest Mom says:
August 13, 2010 at 8:55 pm
So the question to us would be..when did she become “panicked”?
The school? First FM stop? 2nd FM stop?
And how was she notified? A call? A note, a pair of glasses?
It sounds like you believe think that something happened to him but that TH was simply told about it, and not a part of it. I guess what I get hung up on there is all of the things that point to premeditation such as a confusing doctors appointment, the photos at the fair, the emails to the teacher. I guess that is where I have trouble buying that her lifestyle just “led” to this, as opposed to her orchestrating. But I am not at all saying that this isn’t the case, just why I struggle with it.
No. I think we are emphatic she is involved. To what extent, I really don’t care. I want this child found, and the sorry sacks that made a 7 year old baby part of their moral cess pool to pay dearly.
B
This is interesting…my thought…TH staging her alibi…
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
@Mockingbird….my comment about his smile is secondary to his eyes. I worked for over 20 years at our local Children’s hospital, this particular hospital is a tertiary care facilty. I’ve seen children come in with things that nobody ever needs to see, beaten, burned, sexually abused, malnurished, raped…you name it I’ve seen it. I’ve held children while they passed from this world to another and I’ve watched children survive things that I can’t even describe because words fail me. The one thing that I “know”, and I don’t have a link, is that these poor battered children’s life goes out of their eyes. If you look into their eyes, they look “dead”. Smiles can be misleading, I agree 110%. Look at Kyron’s eyes, his brother”s and his sister’s eyes. Was he emotionally abused? Who knows, I only pray he wasn’t, but I do not believe he was physically or sexually abused.
As for Asperger’s, your information is spot on, but there is no evidence that suggests he has ever been diagnosed with that syndrome, while I realize that your posts are to make people aware that he COULD have Asperger’s, it’s up to professional’s to diagnose.
I want to add that your insight and input is very informative and I look forward to your posts.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Blink,
Any comments on Craigs list Portland post 8/12/10?
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/pol/1896035506.html
I will not read there under any circumstances. I would find more credibility in restroom graffiti.
B
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of their son?
Not “their”.
I am referring specifically to those associated with Kyron’s disappearance. Absolutely not his parents, and I feel that was clear.
B
This is a possibility of how Kyron would have voluntarily left the school without his coat and backpack. Terri could have asked him to go wait with his little sister in the truck until she got there. Perhaps she used the bathroom as an excuse. Kyron would have expected to return to the school as soon as Terri arrived at the truck. A thought!
FLGirl says:
August 13, 2010 at 3:09 am
Thanks for that info on Starbucks. I had no idea there were Starbucks in the FM stores or that TH frequented that one. I’ve been really busy with work this week so have been unable to keep up with all the new revelations.
Today a slightly different response from Mr. Stensen:
Has Mr. Stensen been investigated? Did he know Kyron??? Just wondering.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
Shannon says:
August 13, 2010 at 9:39 pm
No. I think we are emphatic she is involved. To what extent, I really don’t care. I want this child found, and the sorry sacks that made a 7 year old baby part of their moral cess pool to pay dearly.
B
@ Blink. Thank you. I couldn’t agree any more. And I hope that no one ends up getting a “pass” for cooperating, if they were in fact involved. And sorry, I wasn’t trying to be oppositional whatsoever. I don’t think I am the best poster… will return to reading.
I think TH was able to bring DD into her web by acting as though she were her lesbian lover. I don’t think TH is a lesbian but I think DD is and TH used that to her advantage to reel DD in. I think the other person(s) involved would have to be one of the landscapers. It would be pretty hard to convince other people to join in on this type of scenario involving a child but the landscapers may well have done it for money OR I relly believe because they were threatened by TH because they are illegals. TH could very well have threatened to turn them into immigration and the security of their families here in the US. Sounds as if LE has the landscapers in jail currently and probably know the extent of their involvement. They could have been used as drivers for the other vehicle or to pick DD up but probably not the kidnapping of Kyron. I think the dirty deed was actually done by DD herself. I think TH was the mastermind/originator of the plan but needed DD to carry it out for her. TH couldn’t kill Kaine herself so why would she be able to harm this little boy. DD could though. Especially if that meant being with her lover. I’d bet money on it. DD is a fool.
@ mosaic – I really didn’t think you meant it that way, I just had to be sure. I love reading what everyone thinks, but it’s really hard not be able to see other people’s body language or hear their voices. That’s the main thing I don’t like about electronic communication. I could handle 30 – 35 excited kids in a classroom, but following these conversations online is something I’m just learning to do. Heck (are we allowed to say that?), I can read my own adult daughter’s comments on blogs she follows and not recognize it’s her even though the facts are there!
Also, for a long time, I thought 42 was Terri which puts a little different slant on it. It seems DeDe has gotten all her “facts” from Terri – she acts more like a knight in not-so-shining armor. Every successful liar needs at least one believer.
I’m really glad you brought up DeDe in this context because I’ve been thinking of something else I’ve hesitated to say. However, Blink makes me feel safe because I believe if someone not registered took something from this site out of context and without permission and misused it, she’d raise quite a fuss.
Someone commented about Terri supporting Sharron Angle who is a very conservative politician and that Angle’s beliefs seemed incongruent with Terri’s behavior. If you strongly support and vote according to a single issue such as abortion, gun rights, or man/woman marriage, you believe you have to go where that support is even if you don’t agree on other issues. If you have your own guilt/shame issues that haunt you, you may choose another, more “perfect” person to speak for your cause since you feel you don’t deserve to do it. That doesn’t mean you will change your own behavior which is based not on your beliefs but on your “failures”. We think this is hypocritical, but such a person would not see it that way.
Maybe one or more of the Portland adults involved here are gay or bi-sexual – that in itself would not make anyone a bad parent in my book, but if you can’t deal with those issues in yourself or in others, or even worse, you can’t let it go and you start to become vengeful, that begins a different story.
I really don’t want to see the pictures Terri was sexting, however, I do want to know if there was anything in the background to show where they were taken. I assumed all or most were taken at home. If so, there’s the possibility she was so involved in sexting that instead of waiting for everyone to be gone (or Kiara napping), she slipped up and took some when Kyron and/or James were around and one of them saw her – or saw her phone. I hope not, but her personal boundaries are certainly not dependable or well defined.
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of their son?
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Not “their”.
I am referring specifically to those associated with Kyron’s disappearance. Absolutely not his parents, and I feel that was clear.
B
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Sorry, let me restate. What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of her stepson?
meticulous planner vs. panicky.
Those two might not be mutually exclusive, but they’re awfully close to it.
“Our news stations are saying they have NEVER seen the level of secrecy involved with a GJ such as this.”
This is what they call SECRECY?
I’ve been agog at just how much is supposedly leaking.
Shannon says:
August 13, 2010 at 7:32 pm
“I still think that a plan for TH and DD to be together at the end of this might come into play”.
I think this will be the reason behind all this. TH wanted a life with DD more than she wanted the beautiful family she had. It wan’t about Kaine, or James leaving, or my son/your son or that she snapped. Just my thoughts.
I’m glad I looked at the secret service website now.
“Not in every phone, but yes, in general your correct.Honestly, the ping thing cannot be controlled. The software and capabilities via the secret service with a GPS interface, complete with “facing and angled” technology, has pin pointed the questions LE is asking right now.
They know within feet where Terri was the entire day. What they need to know, is where Kyron was.
B”
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Early on, on other sites, there was some criticism in the comments of Kyron’s science fair project, that it was too professional, he didn’t do it (like that even mattered by that time).
When I looked at all the facebook pictures, Carol Moulton had written this about it:
“Kyron, I am so impressed and your Mom says you did it all yourself with just some suggestions from her.”
I just wanted Kyron to get the credit he deserved. Sweet boy.
@ cbickel – your work must have been very tough, but rewarding for you to provide the children contact with someone who really cared. Thank you.
I agree with you that Kyron was probably not physically or sexually abused during this period of time. Emotional/verbal abuse is much harder for a 7 year old (or even a 16 year old) to define, and if that’s the case, it had probably been going on for some months, but less than a year, and probably started slowly but increased after James left – before that, Terri’s attention seemed to be focused on Kaine. Fortunately, Kyron had the love and support of other family members to offset some of what he may have (unknown to them) gone through with Terri.
It may be hard to tell because I’m sure I overdo it, but my point has been simply to show that the relationship between Terri and Kyron could have taken a wrong turn and been going from bad to worse, making it feel easier and more justified for her to plan his disappearance. I’m quite sure Houze will want to paint her as a truly caring mother who loved Kyron as much as James and Kiara (which I question as well).
The bottom line for me is that Terri was so distracted by her own issues and messes she kept getting into, that she was not at all prepared to handle even the most normal problems of raising children and couldn’t risk the exposure of asking for professional help (such as a family counselor) when needed. She may have made a doctor’s appt. for Kyron, but I don’t think she ever intended to keep it.
Pretty please, with stevia on top…
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of her stepson?
I like Shannon’s timeline. Mine is as follows:
Kaine leaves for work. TH calls MC. MC, a neighbor, arrives shortly at the Horman residence. TH, KH, KH and MC pile into pickup to go to school. TH and KH go into school and do the science fair thing. MC and baby stay in truck. TH and co. fake leaving the school and get KH back in the truck. The whole crew drives to FM#1. TH goes into FM and gets receipt. KH, KH and MC stay in truck. TH wastes time according to Shannon above from 9:15 to 10:00. 10:00 drive to germantown road to pick up DS. DS leaves her truck and walks down to road to meet TH. Now TH, MC, KH, KH and DS all drive to the area of the gym. Drop DS off at about 10:30. DS has coffee or shops until 11:40 then checks into the gym with baby KH posing as TH. MC and TH now have from 10:30 until they go back and pick up DS at the gym. 1:00 DS back at work. 1:10 TH, KH baby and MC back at Horman residence. 1:20 TH on facebook posting the magic picture.
hello beejay,
yeah, there’s problems with my theory. That’s the thing. I can’t come up with a scenario that doesn’t have holes. I don’t know how Kaine would fit into it either. I just keep coming back to the idea that Terri wanted to hurt Kaine,yes, but money has to be part of it, too, for this many people to be players. Seems to me that TH and DD and whoever and their mama was also involved would have their hand out for cash as well, however they had to get it. sad, but true.
Phyl, the Sandra Cantu murder made me so ill. I didn’t want to believe that woman could do that to her daughter’s good friend. Pure evil.
to all, I enjoy reading all the ideas and thoughts here. Good people here.
If the LE would release the time of the cell phone pings, that would about seal it up for TH
Club Sesso (Means sex in Italian – had to be told that by my daughter who studied Italian.
Apparently there are lots of comments on blogs and ‘net about the relationship between TH and DDS. ’nuff said. Just think of that strong motivation to participate in a crime when you haven’t done those things before. And there was a comment somewhere of how happy DDS seemed June 5, when she hadn’t been before.
I had a similar idea to Angelab’s of someone intervening in TH’s plan. She seemed OK enough when she met up with AL at the store, also like she didn’t know her well, but had to prove to her too with the pic. Where to have a physical transfer/change with Kyron that caused panic? We can’t just have an overdose ’cause they have to go to SI and speed around in a panic per witnesses and pings. Where there landscaping projects there, through them or their connections?
I am still thinking LS (I am not definite which one) felt jilted and perhaps that was unacceptable so he had someone else take Kyron? Or informed her they were changing the agenda. SO actually I am implying two different possible sexual motivations here.
I think maybe he (or someone) called from SI and then the panic began. (Eventually she just went home and took some little pills or drink) and “put on a happy face,” though I am not sure she and KH were really communicating that much these days. Perhaps a 3rd adult had been with them “up” in Beaverton/Hillsboro and Kyron had been taken down to SI. And then where, who knows? Is the guy in the federal prison saying anything? (Surely they have advanced interragation techniques in prisons..)
It had to happen on Terri’s turf to aim for the intricate details (boy if you ever planned an event yourself that involved a lot of details, you know you easily you can miss something or something can go wrong) Not to mention having the cast of characters try and help you need and the attention to miniscule details, all of which took months of planning.
Amazing how for Oregonians et al, DDS popped out of obscurity as a normal citizen of Portland area to now this, a dominant player in a major felonous plot. I saw somewhere it was listed DDS was in NA, though that is hard to believe because she talked about alcohol on one of her tweeties. And the poor baby dragged around, AL said she knew she wasn’t feeling well; of course, probably not the first time she experienced stuff.
STILL, we are not touching yet on something that makes this the more unique situation. Was drug selling involved? (the DEA) WHAT did Terri do during the day alone, bake cookies with Kiara, macrame or just play online and build her Frontierville? Did she have her own business that brought her some of the money to make her planned changes?
I am sooooo glad Blink fortified us with the trust in LE, sometimes it gets so scary. It is hard on us, but we all know who it is hardest on. Many blessing for parents and siblings (and others who know and love him) and especially Kyron, wherever he is. May there be angels all around. Also to Skyline kids who have to return and look at the Wall and this isn’t solved yet so what do the parents tell them when they could see TH running around their area (she’s not at home in Roseburg)? Also not knowing the state of Kyron, hard… (say – well, maybe this happened to him, or maybe that… and maybe it was so and so and maybe it was that guy…) I would think it would affect the kids definitely. Though I thought I heard some where transferring.
Just saw this article http://www.kgw.com/news/Armchair-Detectives-Hit-Portland-Radio-in-Kyron-Horman-Case-100663254.html which doesn’t really say anything helpful at all (don’t bother to read), however they did write that Kyron is 8 years old.
I thought perhaps I’d missed his birthday – but I checked again, and no, it’s September 7th. No matter what’s going on with the case on Sept. 7th, I’m sure many people will want to acknowledge the day, so I’m mentioning it here.
Rephrase one more time, then I will stop.
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of a child?
Blink, you’ve said pretty much day one “I think we are emphatic she is involved. To what extent, I really don’t care. I want this child found, and the sorry sacks that made a 7 year old baby part of their moral cesspool to pay dearly. B” (last ref: Midwest Mom says:August 13, 2010 at 8:55 pm
So, Do you even know to WHAT EXTENT or are you done with finding new information and reporting on it?
Kyron Horman is missing, I will never leave this baby.
B
http://www.kgw.com/news/Family-develops-website-for-Kyron-100669459.html
WC says:
August 13, 2010 at 11:06 pm
TH wanted a life with DD more than she wanted the beautiful family she had.
I am curious what exactly leads you to believe Terri wanted to be with DD so bad that she had a 7 year old kidnapped/murdered or kidnapped/murdered him herself?
If Terri wanted a life with DeDe, she could have divorced Kaine. If she wanted to be with DeDe only, I’m sure Kaine would have gladly taken custody of the children. I’m sure she could have received some alimony since she “gave up her career” to care for Kyron. Even having Kaine killed for money doesn’t make that much sense. Supposing he had a million dollar life ins policy, what else? A house recently purchased so that I would not doubt if they were under water in their mortgage, a truck and a mustang which I’m sure payments were still being made. I don’t see a bunch of money worth killing someone over.
She could have woke up one morning and walked out. She has a Master’s Degree, she could make a very decent living. Even with the DUI and the child services situation (which is normal procedure for a DUI with a child in the vehicle) she could have become certified to teach and make enough money to have a life with DeDe.
What is it that makes you think she wanted a life with DeDe more than a life with the landscaper? I don’t see wanting a life with either of them as motive enough to commit this heinous act. Attaining a life with either of these losers would not take that much effort or thought.
I suppose if her motive to get the lesbian life she craves so badly made her commit murder, then her greatest wish is about to come true.
Kyron’s family has developed a website to assist in finding him:
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/
19: enumclawrose: (Blink delete if I’m wrong! lol)
These things happened AFTER Kyron went missing…
Terri had a sexual “affair” or “encounter” with Landscaper
She sent nude photos of herself to Michael Cook via her cell phone.
If you think about it, most women would not behave that way if a child that they had raised for almost seven years was missing/abducted. This behavior shows a lack of caring, or really being concerned. imo For instance, can you imagine Desiree behaving
that way. I can’t, but that is just my opinion.
Most people would be too overcome with grief and stress to even think straight, much less behave in this degrading manner. Perhaps others can explain this better.
Very kind. Not that I need to, but I will let her know privately.
I may just take you up on that
B
Andrea Leckey interview video link below.
It’s obvious Andrea thinks Terry is involved. However, one part of her interview seems contradictory. She stated that Terri is usually quiet at the gym (checks in, does her workout, etc.), without saying much to her. Leckey said her demeanor at Fred Meyer was typically quiet as well. Yet she states that Terri is the one who called her out, talked about Kiara being sick, Kyron’s science fair, mentioned the name of Kyron’s school, showed her Kyron’s picture, etc., even though she really didn’t know Kyron like she knew Kiara. Admits it’s the longest talk they’ve ever had.
Seems to me Terri was being far from quiet (or typical) at Fred Meyer the day of June 4.
Another thing Leckey said made it sound like Terri told her she was just taking a break from the science fair to get medicine for Kiara and going back (can’t remember the exact words). Other reactions?
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view¤t=92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.mp4
6.mosaic says:
August 12, 2010 at 10:11 pm
I remember reading posts by 42nd State on other sites. He/she seems very familiar with the Hormans. The 42nd state is Washington. I wonder if someone involved in Kyron’s disappearance is dangling a clue?
Family develops website for Kyron,by Mike Benner, KGW.com Staff
kgw.com
Posted on August 13, 2010 at 10:01 PM
PORTLAND, Ore. — A new website dedicated to missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman went online Friday.
Developed by the family, the site is plastered with photos of Kyron and his toothless smile. It offers easy access to the missing person flyer, information about Kyron, and the tip line.
“This is a real immediate way for people to connect to him, and for Kaine, and for him to connect to them,” said fomer homicide detective C.W. Jensen.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Family-develops-website-for-Kyron-100669459.html
Shannon says:
August 13, 2010 at 9:39 pm
I don’t know what terri’s involvement is, since we have not heard from her. However, I do believe that someone that terri knows, has dug a hole so deep that he/she/they have dirt under their nails, and their plan is for terri to fall in the hole. And it “appears” their plan is working out pretty well..
IF kyron is alive, can you see what a fine line LE has to walk? The perps may be getting frustrated and careless because she is teetering and has not fallen.
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Psalm 7:15
He has dug a pit and hollowed it out
And has FALLEN into the hole which he made.
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they will soon be falling into their very own cess pool..amen
Prayers for kyron
18.ceci says:
August 13, 2010 at 5:57 pm
You’re right. My guess is, it wasn’t raining earlier in the day. But, why WOULDN’T Kyron take his jacket and backpack with him if he believed he’d be out the rest of the day?
Possible explanations: 1.) Someone DID nab him inside the school or 2.) TH told him to leave his belongings b/c he’d be returning to school after his Dr appt., knowing this would make it LOOK like someone nabbed him inside the school.
19.enumclawrose says:
August 13, 2010 at 11:38 pm
“Pretty please, with stevia on top…
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of her stepson?”
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@enumclawrose: I know you are asking Blink, but hope you don’t mind my trying to answer. Blink can’t go into more detail than she has b/c she doesn’t have those details. No one does at this point. If someone other than TH & her close associates knew, I think LE would have a lot more to go on…probably even have the case solved by now.
Some possibilities that have been discussed:
1) Kyron was molested by TH’s beau. e.g., RS? If Kyron really did have a Dr’s appt – albeit the following week – maybe TH was afraid abuse would be exposed during medical exam. She saw the day of SF as the best opportunity to stage a kidnapping, for the purpose of Kyron missing the Dr’s appt. I don’t think TH & RS were still having an affair when Ky disappeared, but he could’ve been involved to cover for himself.
2) TH was having an affair/or multiple affairs during the day & she considered Ky an obstacle. There was some discussion early on about Ky staying in bed in the a.m. until someone went in to get him. Not sure who disclosed that – KH maybe? Possibly, Ky was made to stay in his room after school while TH carried on her affair. It’s also possible James was sent away for the same reason. Altho TH blames KH, people who have a guilty conscience often lash out at and blame others b/c deception is stressful.
3) LS/other party may have taken Ky to retaliate vs TH for broken relationship. Perhaps he blamed Kyron for the breakup?
4) TH may have been involved in pornography/prostitution. Again, she may have considered James & Kyron obstacles. She found an excuse to send James away; DY & TY would probably have taken custody of Ky gladly, but it was unlikely that KH would agree to that arrangement. Knowing this, along with a guilty conscience, could’ve fueled her anger toward KH.
5) TH & associates may have been involved in child pornography. Perhaps she had been photographing Ky & he was becoming more uncomfortable about/resistive to the situation. More fears about taking him to Dr? Fear of him confiding in DY (he was due to spend that weekend w/ DY & TY)?
6) Some have suggested an intimate relationship between TH & DDS. TH wanted free of KH? Not too likely IMO b/c TH seemed more interested in the likes of RS & MC. It could be that DDS does want an intimate relationship w/ TH, but TH is oblivious to DDS’s intentions (I knew a woman who was very flirty w/ men & when women flirted w/ her, she just soaked up the attention; she really didn’t have a clue). Maybe DDS viewed Ky as an obstacle to TH & her being together? DDS could’ve masterminded the plan & TH went along with it for a different reason. However, I want to emphasize that being over 40 & single does NOT mean that a person is gay!
Thank You.
However, I have not stated what details I may or may not have, and I recognize when a new poster is attempting to bait me for an answer, especially when it is as subtle as a train wreck.
Great response.
B
Curious to know, DeDe’s ex boyfriend Jason Wishert is involved in “Friends of Pimpollo” along with the founder John Kerr. The last time they (volunteers) went on their trip to the orphanage was June 2010 according to their blog. Wondering if anyone knows what DAY! they left?
Here is a link from Friends of Pimpollo facebook and titled June 2010 trip
http://pimpollo.smugmug.com/Teams/June-2010-Trip-with-Pimpollo/12692701_hvTZy#913254364_4mwoB
*******keep private***********
Probably a BAD theory. The grounds keeper Dave Stensen stated on his website that he was getting ready for his trip to Mexico (don’t know when he went or if he went yet but he mentioned that the “first day of spring is coming this weekend” (shows about the time he wrote the blog) “getting ready for trip to Mexico, will be moving around some this year” coincidence probably with DeDe’s ex boyfriend involved in the “Friends of Pimpollo” and a June 2010 trip to the orphanage. Curious if Dave and Jason know each other or if Dave is a volunteer with Friends of Pimpollo. (I believe Dave fell for LE’s little plan on getting “someone” to identify themself with regards to being at the school)
http://www.gungadave.xbuild.com/#/on-the-farm/4514218372
Now, this is probably a plain old coincidence but the founder of Friends of Pimpollo is John Kerr (maybe a common last name) but you may be aware of Charlie Kerr-now deceased but was allegedly a harborer of abducted children prior to them being handed off and sold, back in Sioux City, IA (3rd suspect down on this website)
http://www.justiceforjohnnygosch.com/SUSPECTS.html
I know he is not one of Charlie’s many children but I am searching to see if he is one of Charlie’s nephews. Probably just a coincidence.
enumclawrose says: What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of her stepson?
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I wanna know too! Was Ky trafficked? If so, how far? For a visiting sex tourist? Out of country? Or, did one of the men now locked up just use him personally? that last one would simplify the conspiracy theory.
We still don’t know if Ky was alive at the time he was removed from schl. Much easier to remove him dead, meaning the sex crime was committed onsite.
And I still wanna know in what capacity RS Landscape Maintenance was working at Skyline Elem.
My theory of TH and DD, Terri I am betting received a phone call in a threatening and implying nature was told something and went searching, cell phones were probably planted somewhere and was told the location so this “person” could communicate further. Terri contacted DeDe and DeDe went searching also, never found anything and Terri then believed it was probably someone messing with her. She went home and emailed the teacher in thinking if Kyron isn’t there the teacher would respond to the fact but since the Teacher did not, Terri figured Kyron was safe until he wasn’t on the bus.
By Terri and DeDe running all over the place, the “person” just set them up and now all the attention is on her and DeDe and not on “him/them”
19.enumclawrose says:
August 13, 2010 at 11:38 pm
What is the moral cess pool they are playing in and how does this motivate an abduction or murder of her stepson?
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The moral cess pool being that the people involved have no morals, as they caused the disappearance of a little boy. We can’t say what the motivation is, we can only speculate. That is what we are doing here-speculating in tandem with the little known facts. JMO.
Someone who watched the local broadcast of the reporter’s interview with AL transcribed that interview and posted it on another site. There was discussion there among locals that, as usual, local TV broadcast included more than is put on their website. Here’s a small snip of AL from the transcribed local viewer:
“AL:
Um, just said you know, “I just came from my sons’ school ..I was working on a project with him and …” and I know what that’s like cause I have kids and I’ve worked on projects with them and and um I was you know I made a point to say how I missed doing that with my own kids cause they’re much bigger now and um… and she just said “yea you know it’s going on for a couple hours so I just decided to come out and try to get you know my daughter’s medicine” or whatever and.. and that was it I mean.. but, but I did, I do remember that she showed me the photo of him next to his project that day.”
IF correct info, do you think TH planned to return to school later? Maybe to remove Ky’s sci fair project? AL’s stated time for her encounter with TH at FM was 9:30 to 10:00. Did something go askew after 10:00?
link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111713&page=14
(see shorty 42404, scroll down about halfway or so)
I believe Terri got too involved with the LS, who was somehow linked to nefarious actvities. These activities could include, but not limited to child porn, drugs,trafficking, things we wouldn’t even imagine. May have begun as an affair, but soon got out of hand. Something happened between them to scare her or make her change her mind.
But, if this is ONE of the Vampires that was let in…..there are lots of scenarios that could come from a deal gone bad, promises not kept…”now you owe me big-time”. Suddenly it was not a game anymore, and she was in way over her head.
Certainly cannot make sense of it, but she is involved in his disappearance. She is trying to hide previous illegal
Activities. Maybe she bought into an idea that if she would do something for “Them”, her debt would be paid, or she would be rid of them.
Maybe she was only going to “lend”Kyron over, and it totally got out of control? She is afraid to tip her hand for any number of reasons, mostly to protect her own backside.
@neighbor: Great article on cell phone intercept technology. Thanks!
@FLGirl: I kinda follow/agree with most of your FM scenario stuff. I do think it is entirely possible though that they didnt have the med at the first FM so she went to a second. I also think she went where she was known by a worker for a reason.
I had an additional thought that finding a med to essentially knock Kiara out/put her to sleep would be of benefit for Terris purposes.
@neighbor, thank you for answering one of my questions about cell phone pinging. So, does that mean that LE can hone in on the pinging after the fact, or only going forward, when they know about certain phones being used? Can they also go back and listen to prior conversations and see texts that were sent, possibly on June 4, of those phones that were disposable?
I have thought about a possible sexual relationship between TH and DS, but I did see an interview of DS’s ex-boyfriend from CBS on scaredmonkeys.com. I would post it here, but I can’t find it now. So I know that doesn’t rule out that DS and TH are lovers, but it does show that DS has been romantically connected to at least one man.
By the way, I hate just lurking on a site, but there seems to be a lot of interesting discussion going on at scared monkeys. I was wondering, are they very picky about who they allow to join their group? I tried to create an account there on their forum site a few weeks ago, but I am still awaiting confirmation that they have accepted me as a member. Is there a vetting process or something, or could it be that the moderator just hasn’t gotten around to accepting me? If they don’t want me there, (sniff, sniff) it’s okay, but I guess I’ll just continue lurking.
I’m fairly new to this sleuthing stuff, and I have great regard for the people who are so knowledgeable and insightful about the detective work that goes into trying to solve these tragic cases.
@ceci and other thoughts about the truck:
Kyron may have had no idea his stuff was in the classroom. All he knew was that he had a docs appt and from what I gather he wasn’t planning on sitting in class that day anyway.
As far as getting in and out of the truck, I was thinking it looks like the door has one of those number coded locks on it. Sending Kyron to the truck and saying to wait there would not be hard to do if he knows the lock code and could get right in. If someone was waiting in the truck/joined the truck after they all went in for the SF, this type of lock would also allow Dede or whomever to get into it without a key and wait.