Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
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Lea Connor, Esq., legal analyst, www.blinkoncrime.com
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@melissab: I think you asked about all the relatives, roommates, etc. of Skyline staff, etc. being sleuthed. I haven’t done it. It’d be like a needle in a haystack without someone to target. And how would we what we were looking for?
Blink still maintains that Rudy and his associates are who we need to be looking at. I keep hoping a Skyline parent or neighbor will tell us who worked for Rudy. He had a crew of 3. A parent hired him under a grant and we know who that is.
///I’m sorry I meant to say if by chance the odd perv did do this…just by chance…is there someone related to Skyline with a SO record? If I only knew how to research, I really don’t even know how to operate the computer!////
I also wish someone would tell us whose name the UCC filing in Wash. State is under for the truck Rudy drove.
////Could one of our Wash/Ore Blinkster’s go to the courthouse maybe and looky this stuff up? How do you go about it? I don’t even know what UCC is, sorry. Thank you for entertaining all my nutty thoughts and questions, you’re a sweetie! Off to work I go! Good luck to ya’ll and have a wonderful day. Love to little Ky!////
Prayers for Kyron today. Everyone needs you home. Love you little guy.
GraceintheHills says:
October 24, 2010 at 8:38 pm
“Do you know what type of misdemeanors TMH allegedly committed in the past?”
I believe it was several speeding tickets and one for running a red light. No arrests that I remember, just citations.
Quick question and sorry if it has already been answered.
Did KH say that TMH did terrible unimaginable things via a public statement, press conference etc? Or was it a part of a legal document?
If it was a legal document (perhaps by Rackner), does anyone have a link to it in its entirety?
TIA
And once again, sorry if its up already. I haven’t had time to catch up in days.
Lizzygoat,
OMG. I have not laughed so hard in a long while.
Thanks.
Hmm … okay, thinking this morning about how our school system here where I live works and this came to me. TMH was quotes in one of her statements to someone that the last time she saw Ky, he was w/a male “chaperone” and 2 girls. Not sure what she meant by that, but if there were somehow “chaperones” at the school that day for the SF, wouldn’t that have meant that they would’ve had to have been part of the PTA in order to have been involved with helping in the classroom, being a parent chaperone/volunteer, etc? I ask only because I think it’s standard, but not for sure that in order to be a parent “chaperone” at least that schools require not only a background check but also fingerprinting. I know as a parent chaperone for any kind of major event/field trip, parent’s are required to be fingerprinted and have background checks BEFORE they are even allowed to chaperone, especially when they will potentially be alone with children, i.e. taking them to the bathroom, on a school bus, going on a field trip, large school events, etc.
Question for the locals. Do parent’s have to be fingerprinted/background checked in order to chaperone at major Skyline events such as science fairs, talent shows, field trips, etc? If this “male chaperone w/2 girls” really was there that day, it seems he already would’ve been on the school’s radar as a result of being a parent and also a “chaperone”, I would think. And if he really was a parent and chaperone and had to go thru some kind of official channel to be a “chaperone” for the school in any capacity, wouldn’t he have possibly had to have been fingerprinted like everyone else in order to have been a chaperone in the 1st place? I’ve always wondered when TMH said that what she meant. Chaperone to who? And for what exactly? Were there other “chaperones” there that day at the SF and what were they responsible for doing?
Kimberly says:
October 24, 2010 at 10:08 pm
@Jan,
Certainly will, Here ya go,
http://www.facebook.com/…/Avery-Villarreal/100000645197805
he is the older brother of Kyron’s friend Kurtis.
Wow … this kid is a piece of work … CREEPY and that’s an understatement. His FB page shows a comment on Sept 3rd which was interesting. I’m gathering he is NOT by any means a “model-class citizen”.
Status on Sept 3:
F*** the police
Wow … nice. What a loser. May I ask how this guy possibly fits into the case? My mind is going all sorts of crazy places now.
@Kat: At the risk of beating a dead horse here, I believe that the parents were being reassured that the school was safe for several reasons:
1) to protect the school system (which, BTW, competes with MCSO for their funding: it comes out of the same pot)
2) to avoid mass hysteria (which, BTW, would’ve likely resulted in a lot of fear-based calls to MCSO by parents–at a time when MCSO had its hands full of a huge investigation into Ky’s disappearance)
3) because MCSO had no evidence that this WAS a serial child-abductor who was still on the loose. They also had no evidence (and perhaps still don’t) that it WASN’T a serial child-abductor. Who might have been locked up immediately. Who might not be known to LE to be a serial offender–i.e, he’d never been caught before. Perhaps this was his first in a future series; everyone has a first time.
The July 2 (updated July 3) oregonian transcript of the Jung/Mather interview of Sher. Staton is chock full of info. The following quote and a few exchanges immediately after it, which you can read at the link, gives Staton’s rationale:
Mather: “Sheriff, earlier when this all began Capt. Gates was very emphatic when he said that the office fully believes this is an isolated incident. Do you still stand by that, can you comment on that? Do you really believe this is just a one-time thing that happened?”
Staton: “Right at this particular point we have nothing that indicates that this is a serial type of event. Nothing’s been developed in the course of the investigation that would leave us to believe that.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
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If I were a Skyline/Portland area parent that wouldn’t reassure me worth a damn.
@justice….IIRC TH statement about the chaperone came to her from someone else…in other words she is repeating what someone told her. I’ve wondered this before, what if a child saw an adult with children, being a child would he/she not think automatically that the adult was a chaperone and pass information on accordingly? I’ve wondered about Tanner’s statement about the sub. as well, what if someone “presented” themself to the children as a substitute? How would a child know any different, or for that matter why would a young child even question something like that?
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@Malty- I so love your writing style and thoughts…I would love to think that Ky is alive and well with someone that is taking good care of him…that is my heart, not my head. Makes me sad, too, sigh…
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19.GraceintheHills says:
October 24, 2010 at 11:40 am
@grace- I found the list on another site, but cannot access the court records without paying to do so, maybe someone else knows how. What I can see are traffic tickets, one or two indicates drug and/or alcohol issues (including the reckless DUI one), a ticket for burning trash without a permit, all misdemeanors, dating back to marriage to Tarver. This may explain the problem finding solid, long term teaching positions, IDK. I think Malty and a few others have seen the same thing. Solid answers would require a thorough background check and I’m not in a position to initiate that. If I were I could probably spend hundreds on a lot of people, lol. Oh, looks like CD got some of it while I was working, so there you go:
50.cd says:
October 25, 2010 at 7:03 am
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beejay says:
October 24, 2010 at 7:19 pm
I think it is the going hypothesis here that TH met RS at Skyline school, where RS Landscape Maintenance was working on special projects under a grant. IIRC those grant funds were available in fall, 2009. Someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
@beejay- I do lean toward this theory of how the two met, unless of course nameless and/or DDS had a prior association with RS and made an introduction. That might be a stretch and there is no proof so far. BTW, I got it, I got it, just horsing around with you. I have no idea what I was doing back then and can’t seem to find out. I’m thinking it wasn’t very important in the overall scheme of things, you know? Also…
Re: beejaysays:
October 25, 2010 at 10:52 am
If I were a Skyline/Portland area parent that wouldn’t reassure me worth a damn.
I agree 100%!
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Okay. I have classes to get back to, a kid to raise, house to run, blah, blah, blah. Not enough hours in the day. I’ve done all I can for now, we all just want to figure this thing out and find that sweet boy. We have a big cast of characters in this case and not enough time or resources to check them all out. The possibilites, coincidences, and theories are endless it seems, I’m wiped out for now. Carry one, blinksters, I’ll be back…
In the beginning, the obvious seemed to be that “Terri did it” … had to be .. couldn’t be anyone else … after all, she had the motive, means and opportunity … but what about evidence?
Seems that LE began looking at anyone and everyone who TH had been in contact with for months before the event … their lives and property were explored and exposed … but where does the evidence lead?
In all fairness to LE, we don’t know what they know … but still the question remains what happened to Kyron?
What happens if in six months or or by June … no Ky is found, no perp is identified and no arrest is made .. what happens to the theory “Terri did it” and does that impact her right to be in her child’s life?
One more thing … all of TH’s acquaintances were investigated throughly … can we assume that RS and Associates were as well??
@46.Mother Hen says:
October 24, 2010 at 11:05 pm
I DOUBT ANYONE on this board is a TRUE OREGON NATIVE. Please correct me if I am wrong.
When I say native, I don’t mean that you were just born here. I could have this same argument about my once beautiful and wonderrul state of California. Yes, I have many roots there, but I am in NO WAY a true native. Let us all GET OVER this territorial BS.
NOBODY has ANY right to be one place over another. NOBODY. I have been through the nightmare of also working for a tribal organization. Upon the time that this gal wanted me to believe I was her slave, I reminded her that I am related to Daniel Boone. That ended that.
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Me, Mother Hen. Born and raised here. Never lived in any other state..never want to. I love Oregon even tho it rains like “H”:) My whole family is here except my older Sis who lives In Texas.
@melissab: Since MCSO says they’ve checked out all the registered sex offenders in the area, I’m leaving it at that.
Remember, that is only a partial reassurance, because:
1) In Oregon, the SO registry omits your run-of-the-mill perv. Only those horribly nasty SO’s who the state has identified as “sexual predators” are on the public registry. So, lots of folks are missing. Although, LE can access the records of the “lesser” offenders.
2) There are national statistics published indicating that, on average, a SO offends 16 times before ever being convicted. So, there’s the possibility that a perp involved with Ky hasn’t ever been caught yet.
Just a reminder to everyone: Blink has yet to correct my repeated statements that she means by this crime ultimately being “sexually motivated” that Ky was himself the target of a sex crime.
So, work that into your theories about why Ky was abducted. Someone intended to abuse him sexually. And then, per Blink, killed him within a short period of time (48 hours IIRC).
@Justice
Question for the locals. Do parent’s have to be fingerprinted/background checked in order to chaperone at major Skyline events such as science fairs, talent shows, field trips, etc? If this “male chaperone w/2 girls” really was there that day, it seems he already would’ve been on the school’s radar as a result of being a parent and also a “chaperone”, I would think. And if he really was a parent and chaperone and had to go thru some kind of official channel to be a “chaperone” for the school in any capacity, wouldn’t he have possibly had to have been fingerprinted like everyone else in order to have been a chaperone in the 1st place? I’ve always wondered when TMH said that what she meant. Chaperone to who? And for what exactly? Were there other “chaperones” there that day at the SF and what were they responsible for doing?
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As a local, I can only give you MY personal experience with this.
The short answer is NO, but; there may be some sort of checking I personally have not become aware of as of yet.
In the 9+ years of field trips, school programs, plays and etc for 2 kids, I have not once had a background check nor fingerprinting. The way it’s usually done here in our district, is a letter is either sent out when the activity is approaching and they ask for a parental signature to allow the children to go. They further ask if “you” (meaning individual parent) will be accompanying your child? Then they ask if you would like to volunteer to help chaperone? Simple yes or no is all thats needed.
The high school both of my children attend now, (largest one in the state of Oregon) has an honor system. They believe most people will stop at the front desk to get a visitors pass. I do, but I have very often wondered how many people bypass that?
7.justice23 says:
October 25, 2010 at 10:37 am
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Creepy is right, lol. He is Kyron’s friend Kurtis’
older brother. He says he’s into construction. Wonder
what kind?
If Rudy Sanchez is an alias,does anyone on Blink have privy to his real name? I’m just wondering if “Sanchez” could actually be Cook? I’m new here and was just mulling this around.
I think the fact KH has officially stated his beliefs in the newest court filing/response is indicative that LE continues to investigate this case with main focus on TH.
KH has always stated LE updates him often, so if LE focus had changed, don’t you think he would have worded this differently…or less severely?
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
beejay says:
October 24, 2010 at 10:35 am
Blink: if one of us had found the correct identity of the holder of the Washington State UCC filing on the white truck that Rudy drives, would you be able to confirm it as correct and publish it now on BOC?
possibly.
B
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@beejay: This is from a previous post of mine way back. I didn’t pursue it any further because I assumed Blink knew. My post said the following:
Blink – You said:
He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lein, and is registered in WA
B
I know exactly who is on those liens.
I also know that Mr. Sanchez has an INS problem.
B
As you know, a UCC financing statement is used to declare that particular property(s) and all the “connected stuff” are assigned to a particular bank or leasing organization (whoever granted the loan) in case the person declares bankruptcy, or there is some other loss. Then those who loaned the money are already on file for the claim to property or insurance benefits.
There are 4 in the Washington data base with “Rodolfo Sanchez” or “Rodolfo D. Sanchez”, all with the same Vancouver address and all relating to 2 of the Muchas Gracias restaurants. None of these seem to be relating to a vehicle, and do not seem to fit Rudy, although one came close.
Can you please share more about Rudy’s truck? I’d like to know if he uses a Washington license plate (an easy way to distinguish the white trucks). As someone said before, it has been common for people from WA to come to Oregon and buy vehicles because OR does not have sales tax (not good if you get caught), but not so much the other way around, especially if you need a loan written.
I wondered if he had a WA address? a co-signer? a leased truck? or is the truck not in his name at all?
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I’m sorry I don’t have a date for the above post, I copied it from my word docs instead of BOC.
I believe when someone brought up the other R.S. in Vancouver that Blink made it clear it was not the same man. I don’t have a link to that right now.
The only information I got from the UCC’s that was interesting to me was that the “Muchas Gracias Mexican Food” (Vancouver, WA) Rodolfo D. Sanchez, along with Maria Antonia Sanchez, was listed as an additional debtor along with “Rudy’s Restaurant & Grill” located in Lake Oswego, Oregon, a stone’s throw from the Azteca Restaurant there (if you have a good throwing arm). I drove there one day to see who worked at Rudy’s Restaurant and Grill – the date of filing was 2/27/2009 and lapse date 2014 – but the Grill is gone. There’s a sushi place there now.
The same (probably) Rodolfo (without the “D”) had a UCC statement filed 10 days before the one above (same address) which listed the Muchas Gracias Mexican Food JLP as “optional filer reference data” and the secured party as “Financial Pacific Leasing, LLC”. At the time I wondered if the truck was leased through the business (restaurant), but then when it appeared from Blink that this was not the same Rodolfo, I didn’t pursue it any further (if I even could have).
I wish UCC financing statements listed what the loan or leasing was for along with the fact that the holder can claim other assets to get their money back if need be.
@17.peg says:
October 22, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Ok-who can be at a school and not raise eyebrows – Food delivery, paper supply, media(?) Was there newspaper coverage of the SF?
In June their was a comment somewhere?? to look at Kyrons school website, they asked you to notice that the majority of the boys featured wore glasses and questioned why/who the photographer was. I did go to the site then & the other day; many of the pictures w/boys are gone. I did not print any then or now to refer too but I remember 1 where the boys were carrying a long log and I do not see it now. I think perhaps a photographer w/camera asking a detectives son to go outside to take a picture by the flower beds might not raise the stranger/danger alarm. MOO.
justice23 says:
October 25, 2010 at 10:17 am
Hmm … okay, thinking this morning about how our school system here where I live works and this came to me.
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The district policy is that staff and volunteers who work with students must be fingerprinted/background checked. You do not need to be a PTA member. Every school should have an existing list of volunteers and staff not directly responsible for a classroom to draw from on occasions like this. I do not believe district policy would allow someone to walk in and offer to volunteer to supervise a group of kids for the first time without that information on file, even if the person was a parent. Whether that happened, I can’t say.
justice23 says:
October 25, 2010 at 10:37 am
Kimberly says:
October 24, 2010 at 10:08 pm
@Jan,
Certainly will, Here ya go,
http://www.facebook.com/…/Avery-Villarreal/100000645197805
he is the older brother of Kyron’s friend Kurtis.
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This link says page not found when I try it. I will try other ways. Has it been removed or can others still find it?
4.Rich M says:
October 25, 2010 at 10:03 am
Quick question and sorry if it has already been answered.
Did KH say that TMH did terrible unimaginable things via a public statement, press conference etc? Or was it a part of a legal document?
If it was a legal document (perhaps by Rackner), does anyone have a link to it in its entirety?
TIA
And once again, sorry if its up already. I haven’t had time to catch up in days.
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http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Horman-court-motions-fight-for-daughter-continue/QYlEqruACkGhA-hFH45jIQ.cspx
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/stepmother-terri-moulton-horman-caused-unimaginable-harm-to-kyron-horman-dad-says/19688080
@ 2.loreli48 says:
October 25, 2010 at 9:44 am
Prayers for Kyron today. Everyone needs you home. Love you little guy.
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Hi, Loreli… I echo those thoughts.
I can’t say enough how much I appreciate the people on here that go out of their way to do research, etc. for Kyron. I think it is just a beautiful gesture that shows so much compassion.
I also feel this post like the one that you just made, is bottom line what I feel. At the end of the day, after all the press conferences, documents filed, etc…. Kyron is still missing. That angel is still waiting to be found.
Some day, I hope Kyron is home with his parents (DY, TY, and KH). Some day soon…
God be with you, Kyron. You are in the hearts of many, always.
@melissaB
You should be able to go to this website to look up UCC filings.
http://www.filinginoregon.com/ucc/index.htm
Found Avery Villarreal by searching. In case anyone else has trouble, you can search FB.
Yes there are background checks for all chaperones. Not finger prints though. I believe the “male chaperone” existed only in Terri’s mind. JMO
Did Kyron have life insurance? Maybe Kyron then Kaine??????????? Leaves Terri with everything, no ties to DY. ????
beejay says:
October 25, 2010 at 10:52 am
@Kat: At the risk of beating a dead horse here, I believe that the parents were being reassured that the school was safe for several reasons:
Mather: “Sheriff, earlier when this all began Capt. Gates was very emphatic when he said that the office fully believes this is an isolated incident. Do you still stand by that, can you comment on that? Do you really believe this is just a one-time thing that happened?”
Staton: “Right at this particular point we have nothing that indicates that this is a serial type of event. Nothing’s been developed in the course of the investigation that would leave us to believe that.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
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If I were a Skyline/Portland area parent that wouldn’t reassure me worth a damn.
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FWIW, me neither. One of the articles I read regarding this mentioned despite the sheriff’s reassurances that about 25 Skyline parent’s kept their kids home the following Monday from school. Don’t know if it was just one day or more than that, but I know it said that many parent’s kept their kids home after Ky’s disappearance.
Wasn’t Staton later quoted as saying he could no longer stand by that earlier statement and say for a fact that it was definitely an “isolated incident” anymore? I read that but for the life of me can’t find which link it is now. I really have to start archiving links better I guess, oy vey.
I’m a little behind on the whole Elsy/Sanchez thing I suppose because I still really don’t get what Elsy and/or any of the other Hispanic-related names might have to do with this case. I get that Elsy was mostly likely RS’s wife and at some point in May her and her children disappeared or something along those lines. Other than that, I’m fairly lost as to the Elsy/Sanchez connection. Can someone please fill me in on what I’m missing here in regard to Ky’s case? Nutshell versions are fine … I’d be happy with anything at this point.
@ Idahogal says: October 24, 2010 at 11:11 am
“evie or lyla- with all due respect, IMO this most definitely will come to trial, it is just a matter of when.”
Ida.. no worries, I’ve got faith that it’s going to trial. I’m even patient enough to wait. It’s just that January sounds so far from June…
@ Kimberly says:October 24, 2010 at 1:34 pm
“didn’t “nameless” have a landscaping business prior to the one now?
I found that info on a link on google but can’t post it because of two many names being involved.
My wonder is , if the prior business is in fact true, then couldn’t that have been an avenue to TH being introduced to RS?”
Kimberly, don’t know if you missed this tidbit previously.. the garden maven DDS was interning with is one of the people who left a supportive review for RS’s Service Master listing. She signed with her initials JVK. I wondered if that is the connection.
@ Kimberly, I’m on the right page now for AV (was looking at myspace before, duh). I think the ‘personal narrative’ posted on the DL page is very.. interesting. As I cruised through the comments on the open Wall, I was -very- surprised (don’t know why at this point..) to see familiar names there. LOTS of familiar names, that now point back to the JK (of truck sighting fame) family. Maybe it’s just because it’s a small community, and they’re all friends. It’s hard to believe that all of those people are ‘related’ to the missing Elsie Mejia, but…
@ zeus says:October 24, 2010 at 9:52 pm
“>5. Did you have any visitors on June 4, 2020? Yes/No<"
That was the flier distributed around DDS's workplace of 6/4, on Old Germantown Road. I assume they were trying to account for a vehicle or were trying anything to find a witness who saw DDS off the work property.
@Mother Hen: Portland and Austin argue forever about who coined "Keep X Weird" first. Terry Currier is supposed to be the one who kicked it off here, and I think he admitted he stole it. : )
@ Rich M says: October 25, 2010 at 10:03 am
You can find the legal document posted on KOIN's site.. that wording was included in the response document.
God bless Blink and her Blinkster contributors. I am positive that law officials read this post regularly. Very serious.
I really pray that Kyron is still alive. Please, God, continue watching over Kyron and his family.
Forgot to mention that LE can benefit from reading these posts. It’s almost as if you are on their staff, free of charge.
Bless you all! :$
Kyron is on my mind today. He is such a beautiful little boy. I’m saddened that the North Carolina police have made strong headway in the case of Zahra, but somehow Oregon law enforcement has not had such luck, or lost opportunities, in Ky’s case.
Hopefully it will all make sense in the end, why they’ve been so funny about the flow of information. The only logical conclusion is that there is something much bigger behind the Oregon case.
It has struck me as quite odd today that Terri would mention a male chaperone with two girls, then capture an image of a stout short man in flannel with a little girl behind Kyron’s exhibit on her FB.
She’s a smart woman, I’ll give her that, and had a lot of support in her endeavors, IMO. To not talk when this little boy is missing is the highest form of evil.
Prayers and supportive thoughts for Desiree. Lifting her up in my prayers, to lighten her heavy heart. I’m so sorry for this mother’s loss and living without knowing where her sweet child is.
Looking at his photos, his spirit just shown through, and his smile… there are no words. I’m so sorry, Desiree.
to creepy and eerie to contemplate…maybe a SECOND offence?
09/21/2008 Terri L Horman
Charges: Burn Waste Material Without Permit
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I don’t mean for a moment that I’m saddened the investigation is moving swiftly in Zahra’s case. That little angel deserves nothing less.
Skyline parent says:
October 25, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Yes there are background checks for all chaperones. Not finger prints though. I believe the “male chaperone” existed only in Terri’s mind. JMO
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Interesting statement. I have wondered who originated the “man chaperone with two girls”. TH refers to it as if someone else said it but I have never heard it referenced by anyone but TH. Maybe she is the one who saw Kyron with a man chaperone and two girls.
Skyline — are you the local who mentioned that one set of dogs the LE brought to the school was supposed to sense extreme emotion?
If TH somehow managed to sneak Kyron out of the school would you expect him to have an extreme emotion? Maybe curiosity and confusion but extreme?
We know from the FB photo that there were two men in Kyron’s classroom. We can see that one of them had a little girl with him. Could it be that TH turned Kyron over to this “man” to go see other projects? Could he have had two girls with him? If he convinced Kyron to go out to his white truck with the two little girls to see something “cool”, can you imagine what kind of extreme emotion that little boy felt when he went from seeing something “cool” to being pushed into the truck and driven away?
That the police were looking for extreme emotion on the campus suggests to me that whoever took Kyron was not his step-mother. Perhaps it was the “man chaperone with the two girls”. Perhaps, it is the man in the FB picture. JMO
While it’s true that some did keep their kids home from school after Kyron disappeared, I wouldn’t assume that’s because they were honestly afraid their own kids were in danger. I think there were a number of reasons people chose to do that. I even think in cases of very young children some parents were hoping that their child would not have to be told until they were able to answer what really happened. Obviously that didn’t work. This open ended situation is VERY hard to explain to very young kids.
Av seems to me to be a heavy metal fan trying to express himself by shocking those who don’t know him. His girlfriend has a link to the missingkyronhorman page. Her baby girl doesn’t have either of their last names – don’t know if he is a biological father of anyone or not. Benson High School is a school that can lead to college or to employment in specific trades after graduation – that may be where his interest in construction comes from.
I suspect Avery’s comments include a lot of “show” related to his choice of music style. Perhaps he is an atheist, but those who sincerely don’t believe in God rarely bother to directly insult a non-existent God or Jesus and promote Satan – after all, if there’s no God, why and where would you come up with a “Satan”? MOO Not trying to open the door to religious debate, just saying he sounds like he’s trying to have a “stage presence” to me. I think we’d need more to go on than his FB and MySpace pages to make him a person of interest, however, if he were hanging around with my daughter and granddaughter, you can bet I’d be tracking his every move.
@ TBZ says: October 25, 2010 at 2:49 pm
“You should be able to go to this website to look up UCC filings.
http://www.filinginoregon.com/ucc/index.htm ”
Why is it that when I look at the latest UCC filing from Rodolfo (3/16/10) the address that comes back for the Secured Party also comes back almost exclusively to a big bunch of Klamath County building permits?! Maybe they were just financing/investing in that new mini-mall. That address appears to be another spider’s nest of related companies. It was just the Klamath thing that seemed so odd.
@Skyline parent:
Did anyone see Kiara with TH in the school that morning? This is something that has not been cleared up. TIA
I did a lot of reading about dogs and their ability to track and detect. Here’s one interesting article: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF17/1778.html
However, I cannot find any mention of a dog being able to sense strong emotion except relating to predicting a seizure, but always with a person present at the time. I cannot see how this could be done at all, let alone in this case. Does anyone have a link to anything that would indicate this is valid?
Even if it were possible to train such dogs, a building full of kids and teachers would have lots of strong emotions. Can’t imagine what a dog could tell us about who had what emotion after everyone was gone, but I am constantly surprised. Wonder if a dog could sense guilt in a lineup . . .
panda says: Skyline — are you the local who mentioned that one set of dogs the LE brought to the school was supposed to sense extreme emotion?
(sorry – I lost the original post but I remember reading it)
Oh, yes – IMO (which often isn’t as humble as it ought to be), a background check without fingerprinting run through a national database is worth nothing when it comes to safety for children.
Thanks to those of you who took the time to answer my question about the source of KH comments.
This whole thing is such an ugly mess.
Re: Burning waste materials-sounds like she was possibly trying to get rid of yard debris or something like that and did not have a permit. It might explain why she hired a landscaper.
Justice23,
In one of your posts today, you asked about Elsy Mejia. From my perspective, we have not found any evidence of her being married to RS, however she could be related to this case and/or him. Beejay found an Elsie and Ubaldo Sanchez living at an apartment building in Portland. There is an Ubaldo R Sanchez related to RS. The little boys’s name is Ubaldo.
One of the posters here contacted the reporter about the article she contributed on Elsie and her kids, and LE has tried to get information from LE and they will not return calls. Elsie and kids disappeared 10 days after the Mother’s Day confrontation and subsequent 911 call, yet it was not made public from sometime later.
The warrant for Elsie’s arrest was issued a month and a day after the MFH sting on TH. It is a federal custodial interference warrant, which Blink commented on (paraphrasing) that they (LE) must really want to talk to her as no custody agreement was in place. Beejay offered that perhaps the children were under CPS supervision and that is the reason for the warrant.
There is also the possibility that Elsy and her children did not leave willingly. If you check the National Center for Missing Children and search Oregon, you will see that most of the children are missing and either runaways or believed to be with a parent. Kyron Horman is the first child in a long time to believe to be abducted. If Elsy met with foul play, then that makes four people missing. We add to that list Lisa (ex-wife) or Ann (sister) of Brian Pumala on of whom supposedly willingly left the area after Ky’s abduction and the list of missing people within three weeks in one little area is statistically staggering.
Ky was taken the day before Jaime Mejia’s birthday.
Sorry Justice, The reporter is trying to get info from LE and with the exception of the Portland apartment, Elsy should have been spelled E-L-S-Y.
@ MockingbirdSings says:
October 25, 2010 at 1:47 pm
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Thanks for reposting all your work. I do remember it now. I did a lot of that research, too, but didn’t post it. Stopped as you did when B. said “different Rudy.” Seems I remember all the Muchas Gracias Restaurants were’t owned by that RS, but were owned by others. There was some connection thru the UCC filings to Sysco foods, a huge co. But that didn’t seem a connection to our Rudy, either.
What I’m thinking now, since B. is watching a couple of diff. houses where RS/Jaime E.S. relatives can be traced to: it’d be some of those people OR their companies–past or current (who knows how old the truck’s lien is) who would be the debtor on that truck lien. And the person/company would have a Wash. State residence/bus. location?? Or would they? I found the financing on Ubaldo’s tractor in Georgia, presumably at the national office of the manufacturer’s financing arm. IDK
I’m still not sure what it would tell us if we found who’s in debt for RS’ truck. That UCC debtor might have a less iffy citizenship/green card status than our RS–no? Although, maybe s/he might have a criminal record, and that’d be a help.
Regarding the MFH..It was said that RS “expected something from her (TH)”. Maybe RS expected to be paid for finding someone else to do the job for her. If TH was actually serious about the MFH what would stop her from finding someone to do away with Ky? I can’t see her selling him but I can see her paying someone to fill the job. I would assume LE would be looking at a money trail if that were the case. Really interested if there was indeed a ransom note and if so who “penned it”. Just theorizing….:)
Why would TH bring up chaperon and two girls to her friend in the email unless someone else witnessed that? I mean, she would have to know that a statement like that would catch up to her.
@Skyline parent said “… This open ended situation is VERY hard to explain to very young kids…”
The terms stranger danger, FBI, detective and Kyron Horman are now part of my kids dictionary. They want to know what happened; if it may happen again; who did it and why. All questions that I can not answer.
I find it very hard to give clear guidelines to my young children about following instructions. I approach it based on “who” and “what”, and tell them to trust their own instinct, but occasionally this raises false alarms.
The “who” doesn’t work well with all the substitutes, SE teachers, volunteers, gym, music and other teachers. For the “what” I use the 4 dangerous adult behaviors from Klaas. — http://www.pollyklaas.org/safe/talk-to-strangers.html
Aside, I think that LE should put align their words with their actions. On one hand they say this is a one-time incident, but meanwhile they act differently.