Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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Ah… love the wii fill-in! pardon the mistakes.
@KB,
If only. You won’t get one ounce of help from MSM. They are a huge part of the problem. Has anybody kept up with how many tv shows she has been on to date? Would be interested in that number. It has to be dozens by now. You might possibly get something out of TruTv, or Forensic Files. I’d be interested in Jesse Ventura’s take on all this. He is one of the few former politicians who is getting in politician’s faces and asking tough questions about things like the H.A.A.R.P. program, all the 9/11 anomalies like WTC 7, that creepy Denver airport with murals depicting the end of the world, the massive underground bunker construction going on all over the country and the like.
I just watched a 10 minute video on youtube of the police stopping the Hartley’s. They followed them for what seemed like several miles before they finally pulled them over.
There were 3 officers in on the stop. Which is why I still wonder why they didn’t ask David Hartley to step out of the vehicle. They had this truck stopped for over 10 minutes. Most men would have opted to get out of the vehicle and talk with the officers. They kept going to the back of the vehicle and looking at the jet skis. The video ends with the truck still sitting there so there is no telling how long they were actually detained.
You can hear a man’s voice from within the truck. From what I could hear it is a very deep voice. There is no way of telling from the video if it was in fact David Hartley or if his wife was even in the vehicle.
Am I the only one who finds it odd they did not ask him to step out of the vehicle?
Laurie said…
I hope Tiffy realizes that she’s got to report any donations and has to pay tax on them if she doesn’t apply for non profit status.
And, she’d have to show where the money is being spent.
There is no way she could have applied and received non profit status this soon.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/11/tiffany-hartley-fundraising.html
oh man, Jesse Ventura? He is fear-mongering incarnate, much like the best of the MSM.
IMO
the new website = marshmallow fluff
check your hinky meter
something amiss
@Desert Girl,
Of course the things Jesse broadcasts cause fear, but he is trying to tell us not to fear what the government tells us to fear like Osama Bin Laden. We have more to fear from our own government! I give him kudos for taking on stories that our own media won’t touch! There was a CBS/Time poll recently and it states that 50 percent of the American people now believe that we were lied to about 9/11. You cannot pass off those numbers as fluff.
Regarding drugs, those of you who don’t think your own government has been trafficking drugs for decades to finance illegal wars need to think again.
Look up the story of Gary Webb, Pulitzer prize winning author of Dark Alliance which exposes the CIA’s involvement in bringing crack cocaine to the streets of Los Angeles in the 80′s to finance the illegal Iran Contra scandal. He was “suicided” in 2004 after receiving death threats and discovering his home had been broken into on numerous occasions. I say “suicided” because there were two bullet holes in his head. Kind of hard to do. It’s obvious this man was assassinated for exposing drug dealing at the highest levels of government.
So you see THIS is what Jesse Ventura is talking about. Who do you fear most, the drug cartels or your own government? Think about it.
Mermaid14- I hear you. No one cares to probe deeper into anything anymore in the MSM, but what do any of those conspiracies have to do with Tiffany Hartley?
IMO, when someone brings up those issues and tries to attach them to other stories it makes most people tune out, and say something like oh boy – another conspiracy nut.
I believe every issue needs to be looked at on its own- otherwise it becomes too much of a mishmash. BTW the Denver Airport is waaay out there. IMO There is no accounting for taste. Have you seen that Horse, scary!?
IRT Tiffany’s story, I am eager to see how much ‘backing’ she gets from politicians now, that the elections are over. She seems to be continuing on in her media tour- I wonder if the investigation is still ongoing… what about the scientific testing on the life vest? What about the Mexican authorities and the FBI interviewing her? What is going on in the investigation into what happened to David Hartley?
Getting Hot and Mermaid…Me thinks Ms. Young (HER sister) is very suspicious. She works just as a nanny…(probably has no education either) -In the spring she was worried about being able to make rent! Yet, flight to TX in April, Italy in the summer…then she “got” a pretty fancy motorcycle in September…even stranger, she is a gun enthusiast whose profile pic is of her shooting David’s 228, and she wants to buy an AK 47.
As for the website, just sit back with your popcorn and watch. What is most striking to me is how this site shows her priorities.
She has not bothered with a mission statement, and her VERY FIRST and only entry is about….none other than TIFFANY HARTLEY and her next media appearance. In fact, she even dedicated a ‘button’ to media. This site is all about Tiffany and her interviews.
Even more importantly, the title of the site is “Bring David Home” -yet the fund solicitation does not even mention bringing DAVID home! Instead, it appears to be about SENDING Tiffany Hartley across the country on media tours.
It’s also very alarming to me that one day she showcases her refusal to leave Texas until she finds him, moves out of state the next day -and then a mere week later, has seemingly lost sight of actually finding him!
I’ll bet Dr. Phil is very pleased that Tiff didn’t take his advice. Her supposed reason to be on the show was to get advice about how to balance and move forward… He very clearly said that she needed to take some time to herself. But, off to more interviews! She doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Dr. Phil’s advice.
PS. Now that the GOP is in control, who is she gonna sling mud at now? Will she insist that Obama needs to wake up? ha ha ha. Who is the one that ignored EVERYTHING going on in LITERALLY in her own back yard for THREE YEARS??? Ya Ding Dong, Tiff!
@Madilu says:
November 3, 2010 at 9:43 pm
PS. Now that the GOP is in control, who is she gonna sling mud at now? Will she insist that Obama needs to wake up? ha ha ha. Who is the one that ignored EVERYTHING going on in LITERALLY in her own back yard for THREE YEARS??? Ya Ding Dong, Tiff!
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She can call her BFF Rick Perry he got re-elected & cry(?) on his shoulders..
According to info on the http://www.bringdavidhome.com website all donations to the ‘bring David home’ fund will be used to further the fight for border security..
What happened to bringing David home ?
Mermaid,Off topic but funny thing. Years ago I was in the Denver Airport waiting for luggage and I remembered walking past some strange murals thinking at the time. Wow, those are eerie things to put up in an airport. A few years later as a joke at work I bought a discounted book on conspiracies to read aloud to everyone. Low and behold the book mentions those creepy murals.
I listen to Jesse Ventura when he is on Howard Stern. He seems passionate about his show. And his entire family has certainly served this country well.
I haven’t posted on this site for awhile, but have read everypost up to the one I’m about to discuss. But, first, I want to say I think there are many informed, inquistive and justice seeking posters contributing here. Along with being very comical. I’m still reeling over the Spray & Wash, Resolve or Shout containing lake comment.
Now to Mom3′s post:
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16.Mom3.0 says:
October 28, 2010 at 5:45 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?eref=rss_crime
Here is Tiffany’s latest account of what happened:
“I had an awful feeling that we were both going to be dead in Mexico,” she recalled. “But at that moment, I didn’t care. I really didn’t care, because David took a bullet for me and I was going to take one for him.”
The first sentence,”we were both going to be dead in Mexico”. Maybe it’s just the way I read it or my perception, but maybe David, in her eyes and thinking IS supposed to be dead in Mexico and she was just bouncing off of that thought.
Must admit I keep hoping for a turn around or something to come into the light on this case, because her story is way off and going in so many directions I have questioned whether she is a twin or suffering from duel/split personalities. Too, I keep wondering if this “story” has just reached the point of political white wash and we have seen the end of it; which would be a unexplainable travesty.
The only thing that keeps me going is the fact that the US officials have not stated that she is in the clear. Only, Sigi saying he believed her. If am wrong there, please, somebody, let me know. TIA
I’m a big believe that LE uses the media to help in cases in bringing info forward for their investigations….. just hope this is the case and we find out one way or the other just what the truth is.
Thanks Blink for all you do and for letting us express our thoughts and opinions here.
@Madilu, I totally agree and actually got a chuckle out of your posts. This whole thing is SOOOOO far beyond normal. It really DOES blow the mind how EVERY single media entity has just controlled this story in Tiffany’s favor and not asked, or let anyone else ask, any really tough questions and no one has really driven home the point of the lie detector test either. Yee gads.
You are so right about the new Bring David Home site, it’s NOT about David. He is long forgotten already – this memorial coming up is about continued publicity for Tiffany only. MOO
27.JR says:
October 29, 2010 at 5:19 am
@ S.H. I totally agree with what you said about TH in comparison to Zahra Baker as below:
O/T too, but, thank you for relating ZB’s story to your sister. I have never had a case trouble me so as hers. All that child wanted and needed was true love. I think she could have grown into someone even more remarkable. Behind that smile was a true gift that many people let get away.
She is getting ready to be on GMA!!!! Wasn’t she on recently?? I know its live – it’s on!
Robin Roberts’ last comment was for her to keep in touch. Ha-you bet she will.
This may have been discussed already, but I just had to comment on Tiffany’s body language with her in-laws. I just watched her interview on the Today Show with Meridith Vierra on October 25. When Meridith turns to the mother-in-law, Tiffany’s body language is very interesting. I believe that David’s mother shows, and has shown real emotion and grief at the loss of her son, unlike Tiffany. When she speaks, she sounds like she is barely able to keep her composure and Tiffany seems to almost lean away from her. In other video interviews, I have noticed that when David’s mother or sister reach out to hold Tiffany’s hand, or comfort her in some way, Tiffany seems cold and unresponsive.
I know that people can grieve in different ways and show emotion in many ways, but to me, Tiffany seems so cold and uncaring to David’s family. I know that not everyone gets along with their in-laws (I try to avoid being in the same room with some of mine, lol), but when there are such extreme circumstances like the murder of someone that everyone so deeply cared about, I would think that there would me more warmth or some kind of comforting gesture from her, and not the total opposite.
@Mermaid14 says:
November 3, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I just watched a 10 minute video on youtube of the police stopping the Hartley’s. They followed them for what seemed like several miles before they finally pulled them over.
There were 3 officers in on the stop. Which is why I still wonder why they didn’t ask David Hartley to step out of the vehicle. They had this truck stopped for over 10 minutes. Most men would have opted to get out of the vehicle and talk with the officers. They kept going to the back of the vehicle and looking at the jet skis. The video ends with the truck still sitting there so there is no telling how long they were actually detained.
You can hear a man’s voice from within the truck. From what I could hear it is a very deep voice. There is no way of telling from the video if it was in fact David Hartley or if his wife was even in the vehicle.
Am I the only one who finds it odd they did not ask him to step out of the vehicle?
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Mermaid, I have mentioned several times that I found it unusual that the driver was not asked to step out & away from the vehicle.. No one agreed with me on that.. No one except the officer actually saw the driver & passenger.. And unless you know David Hartley’s voice you cannot identify that voice heard on the video as his..
I too found it odd & unusual that they followed this truck for such a long period of time before asking the driver to pull over.. What were they waiting for if it was such an issue ?
Also it is hard to even see the rear tags of the truck which are hidden by the jet ski’s much less know they were expired or missing.. The troopers in the video seemed much more interested in the jet ski’s than anything else..
And last it took 3 troopers to pull over one truck for expired tags ? They must have a big salary expense in that town.. I wish we could get just one trooper to stop a car with expired tags here in Florida we wouldn’t have so many uninsured drivers on the roads..
P.S. if these expired or missing tags were such an issue for these 3 troopers that they followed this truck for such a long time & wasted all of that tax payer money ‘why didn’t they back up the stop with writing a ticket’ ? All that drama & no results for what ? Was it just to make the video ?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
Interesting interview with Tiffany at the GMA studios this morning…
We should be concerned with Tiffany and Company.
What is doing with the money that she is collecting? Is the money used for guns, drugs or credit card debt?
Could David, Tiffany and their friends, survivalists? We need to know why she is collecting funds.
How do we know she isn’t collecting money for Survivalists?
Does anyone remember the Branch Davidian compound at Waco? Remember how the survivalist stocked gun piles?
She needs to account what the money being used for and why, I hope the IRS is tracking her funds.
I am curious if David’s fam. is aiding and abetting him? The pop acts perculiar. IMO
@Madilu,
OMG, don’t get me started on those photos of TH sister, they were posted on I think eye for lies or one of those. What a joke! What is it with people’s fascination with guns anyway, I will never understand. Where the hell did she get an AK 47?? No civilian is supposed to have a damned assault rifle. The only people allowed to have those are law enforcement and the military.
Madilu,
I agree with you!
All these people are all suspicious in my view.
Why would the families support a phony Memorial? Why would the families support accepting money? Why not wait a year?
Is it because they know there is no body to wait for? He must be alive
or the family would insist on a little dignity, to wait out the investigation.
The Federal Investigators are still investigating, how
can the family have a memorial, when the investigation is not completed?
Does the family know it is a SCAM?
@Mom 3.0:
I only bring up those type stories to point out a pattern that involves major media in this country, because everyone is complaining that the media is giving TH a free ride on all this. I am merely explaining to them why. All those suspicious, sensational stories, unsolved murders, terror attacks, and the media barely peeps about them or latches onto a “scripted story” and keeps repeating it ad nauseum. We used to say Russian people were brainwashed with propaganda. I am not a conspiracy nut. The real conspiracy nuts are running our state and our government.
lapis says:
November 4, 2010 at 6:23 am
27.JR says:
October 29, 2010 at 5:19 am
@ S.H. I totally agree with what you said about TH in comparison to Zahra Baker as below:
O/T too, but, thank you for relating ZB’s story to your sister. I have never had a case trouble me so as hers. All that child wanted and needed was true love. I think she could have grown into someone even more remarkable. Behind that smile was a true gift that many people let get away
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I am going to light a candle for ZB. We will never know Zahra’s gifts. My stomach just gets sick at the thought of her step-mother and
her horrible father. Thank God, a bone was found, to prove that she did passed away and hopefully, now justice will pervail.
How could this crime have been prevented?
16.Mom3.0 says:
October 28, 2010 at 5:45 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/28/hartley.falcon.lake/index.html?eref=rss_crime
Here is Tiffany’s latest account of what happened:
“I had an awful feeling that we were both going to be dead in Mexico,” she recalled. “But at that moment, I didn’t care. I really didn’t care, because David took a bullet for me and I was going to take one for him.”
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Mom,
You are so caring and wonderful. I would make a bet that DH is living.
Davids family has not offered a reward for information or tips,
what does that tell you? It tells me, something, not sure what.
I would put-up a web-site (if I was David’s, father) someone knows something. Perhaps, someone may have seen David at a gas station or pulling over to the side of the road, for switch-a-roo?
The family didn’t even put up poster’s of David, what would that do?
There is always a snitch, somewhere, especially, if you tick off a woman:)
Here’s an idea for TH’s sister since she seems to have a fascination with weapons. Join the military!! They PAY you to learn about guns. Do something constructive and quit posing for photo ops with assault rifles. My nephew just got deployed to Afghanistan for the second time. He is a married man with two children. My 60 year old brother even served time in Iraq. I am sick of these flag waving gun toting yahoos that when they are or were of age refused to serve the country that they keep saying is the greatest in the world. There’s a reason for that, because someone made the ultimate sacrifice and went to war instead of posing with guns and shouting at tea party rallies.
lapis, nice to see you. Yes this is all very strange indeed. There is something off about Tiffany’s whole account- I don’t know what is going on in this case- but I sure do wish someone would give us an update- and let us know if ANYONE is still looking into this- or is everyone glad to sweep this into the solved – but not solved category
madilu- everything you pointed out regarding that site and the sister is very strange- What is going on?
I would like to read the posts. Can you provide the website? Thank you.
8.Madilu says:
November 3, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Getting Hot and Mermaid…Me thinks Ms. Young (HER sister) is very suspicious. She works just as a nanny…(probably has no education either) -In the spring she was worried about being able to make rent! Yet, flight to TX in April, Italy in the summer…then she “got” a pretty fancy motorcycle in September…even stranger, she is a gun enthusiast whose profile pic is of her shooting David’s 228, and she wants to buy an AK 47.
*are very strange- not is very strane-it seems right, until I said it out loud- maybe that is Tiffany’s problem too- She thought about it- but didn’t take the time to realize that it didn’t sound right when said out loud?
lapis says:
November 3, 2010 at 11:03 pm
I haven’t posted on this site for awhile, but have read everypost up to the one I’m about to discuss. But, first, I want to say I think there are many informed, inquistive and justice seeking posters contributing here. Along with being very comical. I’m still reeling over the Spray & Wash, Resolve or Shout containing lake comment.
HAHAHA. Laughing at my expense. I made the wash comment and I never said one thing about soap or anything like that. This is my last post to this site and I will never frequent here again because it’s obvious that it’s really a high school clique, not a REAL discussion of the REAL facts. While you’ve all been speculating and dreaming up conspiracy theories, people here where I live are still being slaughtered in Juarez on a daily basis.I’ve also had quite enough of reading your opinions on our law enforcement relatives in Zapata who have been struggling with this Border war for much longer than you have been talking about it. If you want to continue to ridicule me fine….I could really care less and there are other sites I can frequent that are not even remotely as biased as this one is.
Respectfully, I thought the comment about the stain fighters was hilarious. What did I miss?
Lastly, I am completely focused on the facts, that is why the saga continues, because what little there are, do not add up.
Since your a proponent of LE there, could you ring them and find out why they pulled the results announcement of the swab from Hartley’s vest??
B
I see the “Donate” option is back up on the website. I wonder if miss TH knows that if this is found out to be a scam, she can get be sentenced for wire fraud. That is a federal offense that carries a long sentence, just like mail fraud. I’m talking decades.
Anybody that would donate money to that website needs to have their head examined. You are ALREADY paying taxes to Homeland Security, Border Patrol, Ice, the FBI, DEA, ATF, Coast Guard, and just about everyone else involved in immigration and drug trafficking.
Has TH forgotten that she told all of us that they crossed the border into Mexico when this happened?
Should anyone be surprised that a shootout might occur? (even though I don’t believe it did).
I wonder if she is going to share any of the proceeds with David’s family? I don’t believe for a minute that 100% of the donations is going to law enforcement or to lobby Congress for more border patrol.
@nana2, I did think it was a little odd that LE never asked David and/or Tiffany to exit their vehicle when they were pulled over. But what the heck, I don’t know how they do stuff around those parts so I just thought, well maybe they don’t want to give people/tourists/vacationers too hard of a time if it’s just expired plates they’re pulling them over for.
@16.Mom3.0 says:
October 28, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Here is Tiffany’s latest account of what happened:
“I had an awful feeling that we were both going to be dead in Mexico,” she recalled. “But at that moment, I didn’t care. I really didn’t care, because David took a bullet for me and I was going to take one for him.”
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Ok TH, if you’re going to make a statement like this then why DIDN’T you stay and take a bullet for him? You got on your jetski and LEFT HIM THERE TO DIE (or he was already PROBABLY dead, according to your story). Oh that’s right, I forgot. God told you to leave him there and save yourself. So basically you deserted your husband to save your own skin. How is it that this is interpreted by people as admirable? If the situation were reversed and David had left HER there to die, I believe the reaction would be different.
I note today in the news that several Americans have been killed in Mexico lately – but NONE of their bodies is missing. Only David’s. The cartel didn’t bother to go back and get any of these other bodies but for some reason they felt compelled to “hide” David’s, because why? So they wouldn’t get accused of course. But they forgot one little detail – they let an eye-witness just jetski away…
OMG I’m just so DONE with her changing stories and the robot families on both sides and the friends where NO ONE questions anything and no one sees anything amiss with her…I sure HOPE none of them is in on some plot with her because that’s going to mean some serious jail time when they’re all caught, and if there is something to get caught for, they WILL get caught eventually. If TH thinks no one in LE is paying any attention to this, I think she is sadly mistaken. All IMOO
(BTW, has anyone counted David’s guns to see if any are missing? And have the whereabouts of all family members been established for September 30? Just wondering).
nana2 says:
November 3, 2010 at 10:22 pm
According to info on the http://www.bringdavidhome.com website all donations to the ‘bring David home’ fund will be used to further the fight for border security..
What happened to bringing David home ?
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Nana2,
The website should be changed to “Border Security” if that is why she is collecting.
This is a game of hers, “catch me, catch me if you can”:)
She needs a non-profit “tax excemption” license, I understand, in order for her “non-profit” work. The border issue sounds like non-profit work to me, what do you think?
https://www.taxview.state.co.us/
Donations through a church maybe then she doesn’t need to pay the IRS?
Nana,
Mermaid, I have mentioned several times that I found it unusual that the driver was not asked to step out & away from the vehicle.. No one agreed with me on that.. No one except the officer actually saw the driver & passenger.. And unless you know David Hartley’s voice you cannot identify that voice heard on the video as his..
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Good point,Nana! David was tall: six foot-one inch.
There would be no question, if it were him or not, if the officer asked David to stand up. I think that is an excellent thought.
I am more interested in maps: from the Subway shop to the boat ramp. I would love to see a crisp and clear map, detailing where they ate, supposedly, and the route on the map.
Does anyone know if any house surrounded the boat ramp?
Blink mentioned, earlier, where did they gas up? That is an excellent point, too. Did they carry their own gas that day? Where were the gas stations along the way? They were on the road quite a bit.
Respectfully, Lee, you sound very bitter. I have not seen one post here that ridiculed you or called you names. I have, however seen you call at least one poster “dumb”, which I consider to be pretty disrespectful. I don’t know anyone here personally, but I respect anyone who wants to offer their insight and thoughts and intelligent discussion. Many of your posts have really puzzled me. I don’t understand how someone could blindly trust a story that has so many holes and inconsistencies in it.
Peace.
@Mermaid14 says:
November 3, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Am I the only one who finds it odd they did not ask him to step out of the vehicle?
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Not at all. It is SOP for the driver to remain in the car…you are only allowed to get out of the car if asked by LE. And it stands to reason that it is easier for the officer to control the situation without a person in their face. I was stopped yesterday (yes, I have been on a crime spree -expired tags)
I am just a ‘lil gal in a mild mannered Subaru Outback…no trailer/skis… one officer came to my window whilst the other went up on passenger side and stood there watching the entire time -perhaps to see if I was gonna pull a gun from the glove box when I reached for insurance…but officer #1 told me to “please remain in the vehicle, m’am” while he checked me out/ran my license. It was a little intimidating to have the one guy standing there… but I guess they just never know what can happen when they stop people…
btw…no ticket for me:-) And now I am up-to-date -crime spree over!
@nana2 says:
November 4, 2010 at 9:32 am
“P.S. if these expired or missing tags were such an issue for these 3 troopers that they followed this truck for such a long time & wasted all of that tax payer money ‘why didn’t they back up the stop with writing a ticket’ ? All that drama & no results for what ? Was it just to make the video ?”
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Respectfully, I am just not willing to go to the conspiracy theories. Yesterday when I was stopped, the cops had followed me for about 2 minutes…they were yapping away -I know, cuz I knew I was criminal! But it wasn’t until they were right behind me at the stop light that they noticed. And yes, at first I thought that 3 officers was overkill -but there were 2 on me! And the police could have easily given me, or David a ticket -but I guess they figures we were nice, upstanding people -got a good feeling- and decided to cut some slack. I just think there is nothing more to it…
Frequently aksed Questions asked about applying for tax excemption.
IDK if she would qualify or not for a Tax Excempt status.
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96590,00.html
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She needs to report all income except for the churchy donations?
“Border Security” (donations) can she skirt the tax issue?
She should list how the donations are going to be spent, and how the funds are going to protect us
I want to see her border security plan.
@ Madilu says:
November 4, 2010 at 4:47 pm
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Not at all. It is SOP for the driver to remain in the car…you are only allowed to get out of the car if asked by LE. And it stands to reason that it is easier for the officer to control the situation without a person in their face. I was stopped yesterday (yes, I have been on a crime spree -expired tags)
I am just a ‘lil gal in a mild mannered Subaru Outback…no trailer/skis… one officer came to my window whilst the other went up on passenger side and stood there watching the entire time -perhaps to see if I was gonna pull a gun from the glove box when I reached for insurance…but officer #1 told me to “please remain in the vehicle, m’am” while he checked me out/ran my license. It was a little intimidating to have the one guy standing there… but I guess they just never know what can happen when they stop people…
btw…no ticket for me:-) And now I am up-to-date -crime spree over!
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When will they release the video of that traffic stop ?
We need to watch over you to make sure you’re safe.
@ S.H. says:
November 4, 2010 at 4:06 pm
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The website should be changed to “Border Security” if that is why she is collecting.
This is a game of hers, “catch me, catch me if you can”:)
She needs a non-profit “tax excemption” license, I understand, in order for her “non-profit” work. The border issue sounds like non-profit work to me, what do you think?
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Sounds like she’s applying for Janet Napolitano’s job..
@ Madilu says:
November 4, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Respectfully, I am just not willing to go to the conspiracy theories. Yesterday when I was stopped, the cops had followed me for about 2 minutes…they were yapping away -I know, cuz I knew I was criminal! But it wasn’t until they were right behind me at the stop light that they noticed. And yes, at first I thought that 3 officers was overkill -but there were 2 on me! And the police could have easily given me, or David a ticket -but I guess they figures we were nice, upstanding people -got a good feeling- and decided to cut some slack. I just think there is nothing more to it…
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Well at least we know you only had 2 cops & since they were talking to each other that means they were both in the same vehicle which I doubt was the case with the 3 troopers that stopped DH that cop car would have been a little crowded..
Of course you also were not towing anything so your tags were in clear sight which was not the case with the DH truck..
Oddly the way the sheriff talks about the town/area having border issues I would have thought (shame on me) they would be just a little less understanding with people they stopped.. But they sure did like looking at those ski’s..
Oh well to each his own.. ♥
nana2 says:
November 4, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Sounds like she’s applying for Janet Napolitano’s job..
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LOL!
In all seriousness blinkers -I have no problem with TH working to increase awareness about border problems -it may finally be a career for her. However, if this is her true intent, then the proof will be in the pudding. You can only get so much mileage out of “fluff pieces” such as today’s GMA showcase.
Troubling, her priorities appear to shift from day to day. She is even MORE aggressive with MSM fluff appearances than finding her husband’s body. The reason I say this is because she, according to her own words, only hears from officials “every few days or so.” That tells me 2 things: 1) She accepts untimely updates, 2) She is passive and not proactive in finding her husband. My first phone call of EVERY SINGLE morning would be to touch bases with LE. Full stop.
Anyone can say “I want to increase awareness and secure the borders” until they are blue in the face. But when there is no SUBSTANCE to her, “appearances,” people will tune her out. Just in the past week, many were killed in Ciudad Juarez border area. Check out this blog: http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/
Shocking. Even tho a lot of deaths were days old, not one specific point, not one specific fact, not one specific statistic was brought up by Ms. Hartley this morning on national TV -when she had the rare privilege and opportunity of actually making a difference -and getting out a message to millions of viewers.
On the other hand, and in all fairness, she probably did not have time to be up to date on the news of her, “cause,” -she was not up-to-date on September 30th either. But I understand, since surely she was busy in NYC visiting Times Square, Central Park -and perhaps a Broadway show, or 30 Rock studio.
Sadly, I do not think that she is truly intelligent enough to do anything other than look cute in studios. But we’ll see. Perhaps this is HER, “wake up call” -i.e. time for her to stop playing around on jet skis and work for the greater good, be God’s servant. Opportunity IS KNOCKING!
As for the donations, My hunch is that these have been going to her airline tickets, per diem, and accommodations in NY and LA. IN THE INTEREST of Economy for a Cause, when funded by kindhearted private citizens, I find her choices to be very poor. She could have easily done a Skype interview for free from home in the AM, and then canvassed the community/lobbied for the rest of the day.
http://www.bringdavidhome.com/our-mission/
Press the donate button, at the bottom right of the page, it will bring you to pay pal. The funds must go to LaPorte Oureach Church?
LaPorte Outreach Church
Madilu says:
November 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm
As for the donations, My hunch is that these have been going to her airline tickets, per diem, and accommodations in NY and LA. IN THE INTEREST of Economy for a Cause, when funded by kindhearted private citizens, I find her choices to be very poor. She could have easily done a Skype interview for free from home in the AM, and then canvassed the community/lobbied for the rest of the day.
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GMA may supply a free airline ticket and free lodging for a guest.
We do not know where the money is going to, I find that scarey.
She could be buying rifles, candy, or Border Parole, uniforms, LOL!
People are donating through credit cards and pay pal through the church site, this sounds like a scam to me. It must be legal she is
on the web.
B- I would really appreciate the benefit of your knowledge vis-a-vis MSM appearances. Do any of the agencies pay guests to appear? Do they pay travel expenses? Do the producers contact individuals, or vice versa? Does she sell the photo/home video clip rights to them? Does his family get any of that money? Does she have to approve content when they splash the photos up there?
I would, in short, be interested to know what fiscal gains present for this young woman, by appearing so frequently on TV. And also, just how much time and effort and contracts, etc. are in play. TIA
@ S.H. says:
November 4, 2010 at 6:22 pm
GMA may supply a free airline ticket and free lodging for a guest.
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I believe GMA does pay for those things because they say it at the end of the show or it appears in the end of show credits..♥