Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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S.H
The LaPorte Outreach Church appears to be a supporter for Tiffany since they are linking to PayPal for her donations..
http://www.laporteoutreach.org/
lily thanks for the link-
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
My first thoughts are: Why is this report making it sound as if this is the first memorial service for David? Why did they fail to mention that Tiffany has had several, all of which took place before she even went to file a missing person’s report with Mexican authorities?
My next thoughts are wow- this entire report is filled with NOTHING- no news on the forensic testing- no truth in what Mexican authorities did – THEY SEARCHED- and the account is back to David was shot only in the head…and the LEAD investigator was beheaded- which there is NO confirmation that had ANYTHING to do with this case.
I am surprised they didn’t bring up the false reports of named suspects…
This whole report was nothing but fluff on what Tiffany plans to do for the memorial- and how she enjoyed spending time with her family driving back- but that’s not the way she was supposed to return to Colorado… and of course I can’t forget to mention that Tiffany hopes to be at congressional hearings on border control and violence… that should be something…
Lee, Hello- I am sorry you may not be participating here anymore, but lets be truthful- – We have all been respectful and thankful for your opinions and links- and I and others have written posts TO you saying as much… and we have all joked around with one another- It sounds as if you were simply waiting for a moment to pounce on some perceived slight or wrong-doing- where you could post and claim foul-
Please- knock it off- this isn’t about anyone proving their theory right or wrong- or changing someone’s stance on what they or you claim is ‘the truth’ – this is about sharing ideas and opinions and asking pertinent questions- sometimes hard questions that may offend- in the hopes of finding justice.
That is all -and I hope you will continue to post- and that your next post will address Blink’s question to you:
Since your a proponent of LE there, could you ring them and find out why they pulled the results announcement of the swab from Hartley’s vest??
B
Mermaid14, I am sorry if I put you on the spot- not my intention- I totally understand where you were coming from, I have looked into some of the things you mentioned- they are very interesting subjects to ponder- I was just trying to say that although I understand what you were trying to say- and where you were going with it- its hard for most people to not tune out when someone brings up all of those subjects in one post- Ihope you understand where I was coming from- I know that I certainly was not calling you a nut- really.
SH- thank you for the kind words, I do not know if David is alive or dead- all I know is that Tiffany has told many conflicting accounts of what happened- and to me that warrants all the follow-up questions and concerns and an INVESTIGATION.
ChiaPet517- I don’t understand how that can be considered admirable either- what really gets my goat is that she only tells that version, the one with God in it, when it suits her audience- She has given so many accounts- she pleaded- she didn’t- she saw the look in the eyes -she didn’t – she ran through them-they let her go-
After listening to each of her accounts I don’t know which is her ‘truth’ and I can’t see how anyone else could either…
@Lee,
It has always been my feeling that all are welcome here and this is one of the more friendly sites, trust me, I’ve been on quite a few.
So please stay, and we value your opinion when it is given as just that not after being critical of others.
That aside, and I am really trying not to be critical here, but in my view the only one “dreaming up” stuff is Tiffany Hartley herself. According to her, Mexican drug lords conspired to murder her and her husband, but in a last minute epiphay, they “spared her”.
Tell me, which is the more laughable conspiracy theory???
Sorry, I meant to say “epiphany.”
@Mom 3.0
No problem, no offense taken. And yes, I do tend to lean in the direction of conspiracy. Guess being a child of the 60′s has its burdens. When you get lied to about that many major national events, you become jaded. I really don’t go looking for it, it seems to keep falling in my lap. I am a victim of my own quest for information. Every time I go looking for it, it just gets worse. Believe it or not, I really am a devout Bible believing Christian. Truth is an important concept to me. And I teach children daily. And I fear so much for their future. When someone so obviously misrepresents the truth causing a firestorm of fear and anger, that can be a dangerous thing.
@Nana2,
You are so right on about that police stop. I felt the same thing, like I was watching yet another “staged” event!
Mermaid14 says:
November 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm
@Nana2,
You are so right on about that police stop. I felt the same thing, like I was watching yet another “staged” event!
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Message received & taken.. Hopping aboard the stagecoach express & moving on by.. Rolling, rolling, rolling just keep on rolling.. ♥
LOL Blink I saw the red and thought oh no I broke BOC with all my posting. Thanks for the acknowledgment.
Hey mermaid- please don’t apologize for bringing anything up- I am not a child of the 60′s but I too was raised to look for the truth and to question- Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
It is harder now to know what history is, as it seems to be more and more easy to obscure the truth and buy into revisionist history. I am right there with you-
IMO there is nothing crazy about wanting to find the truth and asking questions, I just think there is a time and place for each subject- KWIM?
How did the Swiss flag end up on this blog? Lost…
Lol, lol. Sorry, tribute to Mom 3.0, a/k/a our resident “Switzerland”.
B
http://www.bringdavidhome.com is no more
That was quick. Thanks for posting Elizabeth.
B
I REALLY would like to hear best guesstimates about fiscal repercussions…but didn’t truly expect an answer from mods on that one…but was hoping…I have never done a media blitz myself…For some who seems so much, “in the know” about many things, seems a simple question to ask. Certainly there are at least criteria for re-numeration that can be quoted in general, and not that applies to each and every one of the MSM venues…? Do you want to talk about facts and evidence? WHAT IS SHE GETTING OUT OF ALL THIS AS FACT?
NOT Justice for David! Nor even possession of his remains…Poor David.
I addressed this early Madilu.
In general, she is not getting paid for interviews. However, she absolutely would receive image/video licensing fees for pics, her travel expenses and overnight accomodations are provided gratis.
Publishing and Cinematic rights are a different animal, but no doubt those voles are out of their holes and have introduced themselves.
B
nana2 says:
November 4, 2010 at 9:32 am
@Mermaid14 says:
November 3, 2010 at 6:23 pm
In speaking of the video in which the truck was pulled over prior to the lake event:
In the very beginning of the audio, you hear one of the officers mumble something to the effect,’ ..you’re not gonna, oh ok there you go”". ( paraphrased) I listened to it several times and wondered what he thought he was planning to do? No audible sirens were going off, ? just lights? But, he( the driver) did not accelerate or use the signal to turn that I could see. Also, didnt he ask to see ID? Wouldnt that have have a pic ? Unless it was fake, with the drivers pic and DH’s details? I was also able to detect the cop saying something about wanting to look at the VIN #, and the driver qustioning about that. Has anyone with bi-speakers been able to hear better with the Rt speaker off?
I read/watched the GMA excerpt. Ho-hum. She looked anxious to speak about participating in the govt hearings on border control. I will say this. IMO, the media has her number. I think they have inquired, and have been given a hint that all is not what it seems. If it were, in this case, would they all be riding out at the lake? Not to say violence never happens, just not in the way described here. I mean, think of the networks she’s still visiting? They are not pro Republican. Where is Fox, DH’s favorite, right? Msnbc is not doing themselves any favors buy having her talk about the lack of border control. So, I think they are inviting her on knowing they have something big for the future.
I agree, something is hinky w/ sis TY. Possibly NH, not sure about the parents. Something financial happened, whether they decided to leave as it was ‘too hot in the kitchen’ and that wasnt desired. Like a prostitute and her pimp , or it was the inevitability of their financial crisis and it is faked, I dont know.
The donation thing is going to assist in her downfall. All about the $$$ honey.
Madilu says:
November 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm
~snippet~
Shocking. Even tho a lot of deaths were days old, not one specific point, not one specific fact, not one specific statistic was brought up by Ms. Hartley this morning on national TV -when she had the rare privilege and opportunity of actually making a difference -and getting out a message to millions of viewers.
- I so agree, you said that perfectly. Why was her comment so focused on the details of the repeat memorial and not on more important points, like the current status of the investigation?
B said @ 2:49 pm: in part-
Since your a proponent of LE there, could you ring them and find out why they pulled the results announcement of the swab from Hartley’s vest??
B
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Yea, what did they find out that they dont want anyone to know? The blood isnt human? It is from a female? or what?
Mom3.0 says:
November 4, 2010 at 7:24 pm
My first thoughts are: Why is this report making it sound as if this is the first memorial service for David? Why did they fail to mention that Tiffany has had several, all of which took place before she even went to file a missing person’s report with Mexican authorities?
Yes! Is this poor reporting or a deliberate misrepresentation? For instance is MSM’s line of conversation with TH guided? Nicey nice, giver her a spot, let her talk, go easy. Hard to say.
LOL! How did you post the redcross sign??
Lastly, and then I will be quiet, as the timeline seems to read, I just dont see that after a quick bite, DH was killed on or off the Lake during that time frame. He was either not there that day , or there to a point and is in hiding.
Oh geez, I thought it was the Red Cross and its Switzerland. I am laughing at myself.
Tiffany Young- Hartley This website is VERY grafic, David would look at now and again but I never really did due to the grafics. So if you can’t handle the pictures just skip over them but read the articles. This will give you an eye opener to what is happening on the border. You will see why I’m speaking out and wanting all of you and Am…erica to realize what is happening and that we can’t continue to be blind. It isn’t your fault our own government and media is not reporting any of this. They don’t want us know they just want to keep it quite, But not anymore, if they don’t get it out I will.
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Another mass slaughter against the youth of Juarez occurred Friday night, with at 13 people confirmed dead and another 20 wounded, some in critical condition according to official sources. The incident occurred at a birthday party being held at a private residence in the colonia Horizontes del Sur.
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Per TYH’s fb.
I wanted to add earlier, that I had noted that it appeared that TH did not ‘friend’ her inlaws until right before the plan to return to CO. For someone oneline so often, it is surprising she did not have that contact. This adds to my thought as has been mentioned, she may have not been very close with his family. Usually devout religious people express their support and love of God to others in times of need. IE her MIL who is grieving. She is different.
The link to http://www.bringdavidhome.com worked for me. It will be interesting how long that site will last. I think people have been asking them a lot of questions about their donations.
Off Topic
The news story below has NOTHING to do with BOC story-line (that I know of anyway). We should be concerned about Tiffany collecting money for make believe reasons.
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Weapon Smuggling Complaint Issued For Navy SEAL, Men In Colorado, Nevada
KEN RITTER | 11/ 4/10 10:49 PM |
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Email Comments 4 LAS VEGAS — Federal agents seized five pounds of C-4 military explosives from the Colorado home of a man accused with a Navy SEAL and a Las Vegas associate of smuggling machine guns from Iraq into the U.S. for sale and shipment to Mexico, authorities said Thursday.
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They are accused of conspiring with Navy SEAL Nicholas Bickle of San Diego to smuggle and sell weapons to an undercover federal agent in Nevada and Colorado.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/04/weapon-smuggling-complain_n_779009.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/04/weapon-smuggling-complain_n_779009.html
Elizabeth says:
November 4, 2010 at 9:26 pm
http://www.bringdavidhome.com is no more
That was quick. Thanks for posting Elizabeth.
B
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works for me this morning.. you must have hit it during a refresh time..
@Eloise
The borderlandbeat.com is a link under the tab ‘Blog Roll’ on the bringdavidhome.com site.
http://www.reporterherald.com/news_story.asp?ID=30035
Snipped:
Loveland native David Hartley’s death is mired in mystery.
Why did Mexican pirates attack the 30-year-old and his wife on Falcon Lake? Where are his body and missing Jet Ski? Why did the drug cartels behead the lead investigator into David’s death?
What is not a mystery is the way David lived.
Family and friends will gather Sunday to celebrate the way David lived his too-short life.
The 2 p.m. memorial service at Timberline Church in Fort Collins is open to all who knew and loved David, and even those who never knew him but have been touched by his story.
While she still believes David’s body will be found, his spirit and memories returned with her to Colorado and will remain with the people he touched.
“We know he’s in heaven,” Tiffany said. “We know his body was temporary, but his spirit was eternal.”
It seems to me that TH and her family/friends all know that LOTS of people don’t believe her story. How could one not notice? I see VOTES on different websites and all of them overwhelmingly think she is lying and will get caught, whatever the true story is.
But TH just keeps moving in that same direction and trying time and again to keep people from thinking about this too much – by going on talk shows, starting a website, requesting a Congressional meeting, etc., she’s making all this noise so people can’t have any quiet time to really think and rationalize this out – she’ll do ANYTHING to squash those rumors that there’s something very fishy (sorry) about all of this.
I hate to tell her but it’s not working. The truth WILL come out and if it’s not what she said it was, she is in BIG, BIG trouble. She will need every cent she can get to pay for her lawyers. But it’s not all bad. She could become a spiritual leader in jail…. MOO
Yay!! Yet another interview!!! This time it was the Gayle King Show. Again, same old stuff and STILL no one will question why TH just won’t take a lie detector test to put the doubt to rest.
http://gaylekingshow.com/b/Tiffany-Hartley:-Were-Going-to-Find-Him/424203286165917146.html
This interview is complete with a picture of Tiffany with a BIG smile on her face, with Gayle. Same story again, basically, except now she says DAVID first saw the pirate boats, 1 on their right and 2 on their left, and then told her to get going (I thought SHE saw them, or she said WE saw them previously). And also she says that God AND David were both telling her to go (when she left him behind), and previously it was just God. Absolutely no sadness on this woman’s face. Just telling the story like she’s telling about what she bought at the grocery today and what bargains she got.
Interesting that she said she believes in her heart that David will be found (which makes me think maybe she KNOWS he will be found) and at the end she says the cartel is going to take over our whole country if we don’t do something. MMMM-HMMMM. MOO
Ok I guess I’m on a roll today. One more and I’ll shut up for awhile.
Here’s a CNN article about a photographer who went to Juarez to photograph cartel victims. Please note it says bodies were found all over the place. The cartel apparently DOES NOT take and/or hide their victims to keep from getting caught. They don’t care who finds what bodies. So why would they take David’s body? Yes, he’s American but they didn’t ask him that before they supposedly shot him from a distance. So they didn’t know that. And how would ANYONE ever prove which members of which cartel killed David anyway? Also again, if they wanted to take his body to keep from getting accused, they never would have let Tiffany jetski away. It’s weird how his jetski hasn’t been spotted anywhere – not on the water, not being loaded onto a trailer, not anywhere. It’s MOO on all of this, and that the jetski and David are somewhere together, wherever that might be.
Eloise says:
November 4, 2010 at 9:55 pm
nana2 says:
The donation thing is going to assist in her downfall. All about the $$$ honey.
$$$$$$$$$$
She will be rolling around in the money, until someone gets jealous
and tells on her.
http://gaylekingshow.com/b/Tiffany-Hartley:-Were-Going-to-Find-Him/424203286165917146.html
The video isn’t working right now, only the audio is.
You will need a shovel:)
If you can not access the above link, try if you wish the one below.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=gayle+king+show+-+tiffany+hartley&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
I wasn’t “waiting to pounce” at the right moment. I just refrained for a while from saying anything.
As to all the “laundry” remarks. After I first mentioned the idea that evidence could have just been washed off by the water, there were multiple remarks made about what I’d said and if you don’t think you those comments weren’t intentionally mocking me….go back and read them all again. Not to mention the hundreds of disparaging, insulting remarks made about the Sheriff of Zapata who you’ve painted to be some kind of Tiffany conspirator, a liar, covering up, and a bunch of other total BS.
And to you Blink….I WILL contact our law enforcement relatives in Zapata and ask them directly what they can tell me.
@ChiaPet,
For TH to make the statement “if we dont’ do something the cartel is going to take over our whole country” proves one thing and one thing only—that Tiffany Hartley is not only a liar, she is delusional.
This has gone beyond a “cause”. She is not only an embarrassment to herself and her family, but to the country that she claims to think is so great and wonderful. If I could ask her face to face I would like to say, Tell me Tiffany, you claim to love your country so much and be such a flag waving patriot, So what you are basically saying is that this country hasn’t the backbone to stand up against street thugs embattled in turf wars and we need YOU, Tiffany to help us realize that?!
@Lee,
About what I said earlier when I tried to convince you to stay and continue to post, nevermind.
Mom3.0 says:
November 5, 2010 at 10:29 am
http://www.reporterherald.com/news_story.asp?ID=30035
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Loveland native David Hartley’s death is mired in mystery
$$$$$$$$$$$
Mom,
It is no mystery to me. I studied under Columbo for many many shows.
I would say they dumped the body between the sandwich shop and
a woody-brushy area in TX.
My experienced decisions come from all my TV Training: Cannon,Beretta, Barnaby Jones, Magnium PI, McCloud,Matlock and Columbo!
I really do think that Columbo, would not look in Mexico, because she
is over dramatic and too imaginative about the events. Columbo would
try Texas.
Perhaps, she spiked his drink with something, met up with the Lawn Boy, parked the ski in the Lawn Boys garage and dumped the body in the woods in Texas.
It just dawned on me, I don’t think David’s Body is in Mexico, because
she doesn’t know when to stop, with the Mexico thing. I bet TX.
http://www.bringdavidhome.com/
The Memorial will be “Live Streamed”. There is a clicky thing on
the site, can be watched live. This should not be funny, but, it is.
God Bless, David, where ever he is.
If I lived in Zapata county Texas I would be asking for a recall election for sheriff.
First, the sheriff said that a forensics team was analyzing the blood evidence from the life vest worn by Tiffany Hartley to determine not only if it was human blood but if it was in fact David Hartley’s blood. That was on October 12. A basic DNA low level analysis only takes a couple of weeks.
The vest was later shown in an exclusive on The Today Show. In other words, it would have to have been released by Zapata County for it to show up on national tv. Yet the Sheriff said later the vest was still in the custody of Zapata County Sheriff’s Dept. How can that be?
It is nearly a month later and still no report from that forensics team?? What gives? Also the sheriff said he had no intention of asking TH to submit to a polygraph. Why? Wouldn’t it be standard procedure in a case like this? If this sheriff was elected to protect the people of Zapata County they should demand an explanation for all of this.
They are asking us to believe this murder took place. They have NO evidence, no body, no jetski, no bullet marks on TH jetski, only one witness who only agreed to talk if he was in shadow and if his voice was disguised, and a “widow” who acts like she is anything but grieving and is turning this case into a media circus.
If this sheriff has half a brain, he would realize that this will have serious implications on his future if it turns out this was a scam, and he had evidence of such that he withheld.
Why isn’t he worried about that? After all he is an elected official. Sheriffs have been brought down for alot less than that.
When someone takes an oath of office to uphold the law in this country does it even mean anything anymore? How can you just withhold evidence from the public in such a high profile case? Especially when you are telling the public that these cartels are a real threat.
Lee, glad to see you that you decided to stick around. Thank you for your willingness to contact LE- Please do report back what they say regarding the swabs ect…
Lee,
I think you may be taking others posts and making them about you. No one is making fun of your remarks about evidence washing off-and certainly not maliciously- in fact many of us researched and found that with the help of luminol and especially Blue Star -blood evidence can be detected, even after having been laundered, bleached, ect ect.
Sometimes the written word is harder to interpret than a face to face conversation… playfulness, innocent sarcasm, ect- can fall flat or seem harsh. You seem like a sensitive person, I am too, and sometimes the internet can be abrasive and cold. Try not to take it too personally.
As to your comments regarding Siggy- well all I can say to that is, I am sorry that you are offended- but the Sheriff IMO, has put himself in a very awkward position. LEO are trained to keep their personal biases and feelings out of an investigation and to INVESTIGATE despite the fact that they may or may not believe a potential witness/ victim is telling the truth.
Siggy had an obligation and a duty to follow procedures, for the sake of the investigation, and for the sake of its prosecution- not to mention a duty to his community, and also to David and to Tiffany.
BTW Lee, I understand that you find most of what is written here ‘total BS’- but that is your opinion. I would hope that your beliefs and opinions are not so strongly held that you can not objectively look at others concerns, or opposing facts, and see their merit.
Again, I am glad you stayed- as I said previously, I value your contributions and insights as a local, and as a family member immersed in the very real dangers of border control. Peace
I am a bit SHOCKED at the photo in this link. She is POSING with a celebrity and couldn’t be happier! She even has her arm around Gayle King. That is the kind of smile/pose you give when you are, well, posing with celebrity. Not seeking justice for your husband, or even “fighting” for border security. Wow. Her true colors are shining bright. Tiffany’s overall tone in this interview is quite the sunny disposition, and nothing you would expect, under the circumstances. She was literally, “having a good time” talking about the death of her husband!
Also of note is that she caught herself making a mistake in her, “script” and provides several more details than before. Fascinating.
http://gaylekingshow.com/
b/Tiffany-Hartley:
-Were-Going-to-Find-Him/424203286165917146.html
Gayle: Did you know that that was a dangerous area where you were going?
TH: NOT IN THAT AREA. I mean, we knew of the pirate attacks, we knew, we had heard of those obviously being on the border and living in Reynosa Mexico we obviously were aware. But we chose to live with no fear. BUT WE DIDN’T REALIZED THAT THAT AREA PARTICULARLY WAS A HIGH DRUG TRAFFIC AREA and we hadn’t heard for months of any pirate attacks or any thing happening on the lake. Otherwise we wouldn’t have gone if we knew.
Gayle: Had you been to that area before?
TH: We went in August but not to that area. We were on the other side of the lake. Um, and we spent probably 3 or 4 hours and we were going back and forth on both sides -Mexico and US.
at about 2:15 she gets her story really confused, and even provides NEW information:
Gayle: How soon did you realize you were in trouble?
TH: When we were coming back from the church, heading to the US. Um, My husband looked over to the right and saw, we saw a boat and then he looked over to the, well I guess he looked to the left and then to the right and we saw the other two boats. And once we started getting between them to where we were passing them they all turned their boats straight to us, and that’s that’s when I knew. And my husband was motioning we gotta get outta here cuz I was so far back there was no way I could hear him if he was telling…. yeah, he was just waving his hand, like, “we gotta go.”
((Interesting in that prior statements have indicated a, “chase” and what she describes here is more like they were, “closing in on them.” Also, this is the first time she mentions being at quite a distance away from her husband when they first saw the boats -in fact, BEHIND him.))
SHE LAUGHS OUT LOUD TWICE IN THE MIDDLE OF TELLING HER HORRIFIC STORY at about 3:00, then reverts to story mode.
I repeat: SHE LAUGHS OUT LOUD AND GIGGLES TWICE WHILE TELLING THE STORY OF HOW HER HUSBAND WAS MURDERED.
Gayle: Did you see him get hit.
TH: Um, when I saw the shots hit next to me on the water, I looked back and I saw him flying over his jet ski.
Gayle:…and you knew that he was in trouble.
TH: Yeah, I went straight to him, jumped off of my jet ski, and was in the water with him and I flipped him over and that’s where I found out where he had been hit. And when I was trying to get him up on the jet ski, I was pulling by his life vest and that was coming up over…um and then I just kept hearing, “You have to go, you have to go”
Gayle: You kept hearing that from where?
TH: God…I believe he was gone at that moment…I believe God and David at the same time were telling me you have to go….
Gayle: Were you surprised that people did not believe your story?
TH: Um, yes and no. A little bit. But they don’t know our lives…blah blah blah…he loved history….blah blah.
Um, It was frustrating. But at the same time, I didn’t care what they said, I didn’t care who judged me. I didn’t care if they believed me or not. The only people I need to know that believe me is my family, his family. They know the love that we share. (yes, present tense)
(when asked about where the investigation stands today…and don’t they want his body back…) “yeah, That’s ultimately ALL that we want. Um, I mean, I believe in my heart we are gonna find him. But the search is on a minimal scale…is what I understand. um, but… etc. etc. etc. …
(How are you doing it?)
TH: Um, I guess I am doing it for David. I mean, that’s what I am fighting for. I mean, ultimately for him, but then I also know our border needs something done. And if America and our government doesn’t wake up to what’s going on, then…. etc….
Well, at least she did give her 25 second pitch on the border issue; That is, 25 seconds out of out of a 9 minute interview. She really enjoyed this interview. Keep talking, Tuff Tiff.
Interesting:
Website titled, “Bring David Home”
Donation statement saying that funds are to be used to “further the fight for border security.”
McAllen church collecting money for, “Tiffany and David”
Local Loveland, CO newspaper publishes obituary, stating “In lieu of flowers, please donate to the memorial fund at http://www.bringdavidhome.com”
http://www.reporterherald.com/obituaries/obituary-story.asp?ID=5892
I am totally lost on the funding issue -and confused as to what it is for, and what their BURDEN is to produce accounting of the money. Does anyone know?
It seems underhanded to say to locals that it is a MEMORIAL FUND for David. Then to others that it is to bring him home, yet then again, to further a cause. At the very least, such a fragmented fundraising effort will negatively impact the success of the fund…
And unbelievably, they are live streaming his memorial service on the Internet on Sunday through a Denver news station. Who does that?
http://www.kfiam640.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=JohnandKen
Ken/John: did you see him get shot?
Tiffany: I, I, I did. The two bullets hit me next to my left.
She did NOT say that, did she??? It just keeps changing all the time!
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“I didn’t realize it was going to be such a hassle” (getting her husband back. Interesting.
And Oh My God!
“Actually, I know he’s not in the water. As soon as I left him, they took the jet ski and David. And he’s buried, I believe he is buried somewhere on land.”
*************How the who does she know what they did after she left? And, I thought they were chasing her? This just keeps getting weirder and weirder…
And TH ends with, “Sounds wonderful” in response to them offering her further air time. Grieving widow…
Alright. I am going to say it. Turn off your TV. Refuse to watch her interviews. It is the only way that MSM gets the message.
Sock to the nielsen is all they have ever understood. I am starting to believe this girl is a social experiment.
B
Just an interesting article that gives a lot of info about Falcon lake, written back in July.
This was an interesting statement: “Jose E. Gonzalez, second in command of the Border Patrol’s Zapata station, operates a round-the-clock maritime patrol on the lake. ”
That contradicts what another report wrote about there only being two “rounds” done a day.
Also, I was thinking, after hearing a local call into to Gayle King, (Gabriella) she does not buy the story at all, and she said that people don’t just go over there -everyone knows, etc…. anyway, she said that it is often to buy something, and then things go wrong. Everyone has talked about drug deal gone wrong. But I am wondering if it was not his intent to illegally buy the AR-15, as TY indicated he was aiming to buy (pun intended). idk.
Lee, respectfully, your blanket statements to the posters here and to Blink are disturbing. I’m glad to see that you haven’t totally abandoned reading and posting here, but I urge you to have a more open mind about this case. I think it’s great to read posts from people with dissenting opinions. The more the merrier, imho.
If you have read here that someone has suggested or accused the sheriff of being a liar and/or a conspirator, maybe you could direct your comments toward those posters in particular, rather than lump everyone here together like we all think alike. I have not seen one sentence or one word here from our moderator,Blink, suggesting anything of the sort. Could you site some of the “hundreds of insulting remarks made about the Sheriff of Zapata”, to back up your accusations?
S.H., thanks for supplying the link to the Gayle King interview. Tiffany seems to have really worked on her message. She seems so happy to be the focus of attention! Her picture on the Gayle King site looks so happy!
@SH, I will withhold my “God Bless David” until I am convinced he is not a part of this.
I still think somebody needs to take a long hard look at that Sheriff in Zapata County. There he is accusing Mexican drug cartels of this heinous crime against an American and even refusing to ask the wife to submit to a polygraph. That tells me he is not afraid of blowback from the cartels themselves. Why? If we are supposed to be “very afraid” of the cartels like he and TH tell us, why the hell aren’t they??!!
I’ve never heard of a sitting sheriff blowing off a polygraph in a case like this. They are used more often to rule out suspects. They cannot be used in court to convict. So—why not just request that TH eliminate all the doubts and submit to a polygraph?
I would like to see someone, through the Freedom of Information Act, get a copy of the police report filed on that stop of the Hartleys the day of this crime. I would like to see what was actually put on the books about the stop. I would especially like to know why they weren’t ticketed for the license violation. You’d think in a border town where everyone is on edge anyway and violence could erupt at any time that they would be more thorough and ask at least the driver to exit the vehicle. Why wasn’t their vehicle searched? The whole state of Arizona wants to make every Hispanic legal or not prove their citizenship every time they are stopped.
There is just too much about this incident that doesn’t jive with what law enforcement in any other county in the country routinely does in a stop like this.
I just wonder if the houses had “video cameras”, around the Boat Dock.
She was heading “to the houses” until, she saw, the man watering his flowers.
Therefore, there are houses around the boat dock, interesting.
They may be on someone’s surveillance camera. Perhaps, not a rumor, TH was seen and the guy wasn’t her husband,(at the Lake.
My big fat guess is “they” are captured on video camera, IMO.
She didn’t think of being on camera, did she? Wow, just wonder if the re-enactment had surprised her with more than she told.
Mermaid14 says:
November 6, 2010 at 11:34 am
@SH, I will withhold my “God Bless David” until I am convinced he is not a part of this.
I still think somebody needs to take a long hard look at that Sheriff in Zapata County. There he is accusing Mexican drug cartels of this heinous crime against an American and even refusing to ask the wife to submit to a polygraph. That tells me he is not afraid of blowback from the cartels themselves. Why? If we are supposed to be “very afraid” of the cartels like he and TH tell us, why the hell aren’t they??!!
I’ve never heard of a sitting sheriff blowing off a polygraph in a case like this. They are used more often to rule out suspects. They cannot be used in court to convict. So—why not just request that TH eliminate all the doubts and submit to a polygraph?
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I think DH family is a part of something…if not just accepting funds, from the donations. How could they approve of accepting donations? The memorial is 38 days, after, DH has been missing,
sounds bazaar to me. What is the rush?
Why is she live streaming the video from the website? Is the live streaming for David to watch his memorial? I wished Peter Falk could
give us some ideas! We can think for ourselves, we need more clue’s.
Madilu says:
November 5, 2010 at 11:00 pm
How are you doing it?)
TH: Um, I guess I am doing it for David. I mean, that’s what I am fighting for. I mean, ultimately for him, but then I also know our border needs something done. And if America and our government doesn’t wake up to what’s going on, then…. etc….
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Yes she is fighting David, send money not flowers.:)
Alright. I am going to say it. Turn off your TV. Refuse to watch her interviews. It is the only way that MSM gets the message.
Sock to the nielsen is all they have ever understood. I am starting to believe this girl is a social experiment.
B
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You are so right, but, I have turned off the TV.
The problem is not watching her on-line. This case is interesting and titillating. A social experiment? My stomach hurts from laughing.
Perhaps, she is a “village idiot’s” test and I passed!
@ Mermaid14 says:
November 6, 2010 at 11:53 am
re:
I would like to see what was actually put on the books about the stop. I would especially like to know why they weren’t ticketed for the license violation. You’d think in a border town where everyone is on edge anyway and violence could erupt at any time that they would be more thorough and ask at least the driver to exit the vehicle.
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Mermaid, I made those exact same comments several times & someone responded that the ‘no ticket & DH not getting out of the vehicle’ was a non issue.. But obviously it still bothers me especially given the area & all of the ‘border incidents’ according to the town sheriff.. Sorry but I was too lazy to go back & find those comments to do a copy & paste.. Not having a good day here in sunny Florida..
On another note I was having another senior moment (one of many lately) & thought that while I still feel DH is alive & well somewhere that perhaps this scenario wasn’t to collect life insurance money but to rid themselves of some debt (in addition to the politics).. Tiffany has said that David’s employer paid all of their living expenses which is what freed up money for their ‘lifestyle’ (paraphrasing) .. So what IF the house, jet ski’s, cars, trucks & other toys & trips were all done via the good old American credit card & borrowing way & all of those debts were in DH’s name ? Well if DH becomes deceased then there are no loans to repay & the financial institutions & credit card company’s absorb the losses.. Kind of a modern day bankruptcy without ruining your credit score.. JMO
@S.H.
You know, part of me wants to laugh at the village idiot aspect of this also, if not for what I fear are very sinister implications of this crime and the far reaching ripple effect of it.
Did you notice the results of the national election?? Hello?? I live in a very Democratic county and every single Democratic incumbent here lost their jobs except for one. Many had served multiple terms. I’m talking all the way down to local judges and county clerks. And they had done nothing to warrant being booted out of office.
I am STILL going with political motive here, huge payoff for this scheme involving God knows who or what. And when I say payoff I am not just talking about money, look at the political payoff.
But the greed is going to be their undoing. Greed for power I mean.
I also think somebody needs to investigate that family in Colorado and find out where and how they are getting assault weapons that are illegal. Then they have the nerve to pose with them in living color and post the pictures on the internet for the world to see. These are people who apparently think they are untouchable by law enforcement.
And you know what, maybe they are.
If law enforcement does not follow basic routine procedure when it comes to the collection of evidence, forensic analysis, writing of reports, timely dissimenation of information to the public, and other things involving a major crime, that sends off huge alarm bells. Then when they get all major media outlets to remain silent about their lack of due diligence we all pay a huge price. Especially when our tax money is paying their salaries. What the hell is the purpose of even having an election if these officials can run roughshod over the law? None of us is safe. And our votes don’t count for a damned thing.
@Nana2,
Ok, so these folks say no ticketing of DH for the license violation is a non issue. So I ask this question—is the refusal of Zapata County Sheriff Gonzalez to release the results of the life vest blood evidence testing also a non issue? Especially when he and the media went to great lengths to make sure that we, the public, knew that there was blood on the life vest that TH wore. We all waited with great anticipation to find out the results. It has been more than a month since these tests were done, yet nary a word. Why?
Nana, I think you are correct on both counts. There was both a financial and political advantage to this scheme.
I knew it was only a matter of time. There is now advertising on TH website. I doubt we will ever see truth or justice in this case.
G’nite all.