Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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Blink, could it be possible that LE asked the media to go easy on TH or it that only done in the movies?
Lol, yes, only in the movies
B
@gigi,
It’s not so much why won’t SHE take a polygraph but why won’t THEY insist on it? The results do not have to be published, and we know they cannot be used to convict in court. The main reason to have her take one is to determine if she is being deceptive. It is standard procedure in a case like this. Even if DH might have been killed by mistake, where is he? Why no body? The cartels don’t care what they do with their collateral damage, it lies on the road for all to see. When a body is too well hidden it is for a reason.
@JO,
Someone wrote in a question on that website about where is the money going. They wanted to know if it is tax exempt. Haven’t seen a response yet.
Mermaid 14,
yep! This is what I’m saying also…these people don’t care who get’s killed and who see’s it! Until the U.N. goes in there and cleans house this violence will continue and there is nothing thier government can do about it. I do not believe for one second that anyone tried to hide DH’s body or any crime commited to his person. So where is DH?
Ok I feel like I’m on a starvation diet where clues and information are concerned. Not only that but I also took a stupid pill so I can’t figure out anything. Anyone want to guess what Blink meant in the comment to MY comment on November 10 @ 10:58 a.m.? It just says, “JET SKI.”
Chiapet, I think what Blink meant by her post, “jetski” is that she personally saw the jetski, and not the life vest. But it was kind of a confusing way of responding, imo.
5.ChiaPet517 says:
November 11, 2010 at 7:41 pm
She wrote that she saw the jet ski, not the vest.
Christy, I beg to differ. There are plenty of missing or murdered/missing persons in Mexico. They only want you to find the hi-profile cases. DH would have been a mistake…they wouldn’t want you to find that one.
And, I would like to comment on the rate and cause of the birth defects in the border region. As a matter of fact, my mother was at the hospital that first identified the phenomenon. Although the industrial sector took a hit as the cause, there is an exorbitant amount of evidence that the root cause is a fungus that grows on corn. And, it was not hydrocephalus, it is anencephaly which is an under-formed brain, and spina bifida.
i don’t hardly ever post here because, you all are way ahead of me! i can’t keep up, someone always asks or says what i want to say before i can. blinksters are awesome!!! anyway, that was me asking that question about the money & where it is going (i tried to be as polite as possible since i thought it would be deleted, if i questioned too much!) still, no answer. i don not believe tiffany for one second-& like others, i will be the first to apologize if i am wrong! this entire story just doesn’t add up. again, i don’t post often because you all are way too ahead of me!
dede02
p.s.i think this site is probably being read & i don’t expect to get a honest answer from tiffany but i didn’t use my real name.-although i’m sure she will know now-oh well. i tried.
37.ChiaPet517 says:
November 10, 2010 at 11:58 am
Yes Blink I also noted that you said you had seen the vest personally. What are you keeping from us? Give!!
JET SKI
B
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Chia, I think Blink is saying she saw the jet ski, not the vest. Please correct me if I’m wrong, Blink.
Thank you Grace, that is correct.
B
Ok DUH #-o. It was the jet ski Blink saw. I had to scroll way back there to find it. I was just having a stupid day yesterday. I wish someone would come out with some new information though…
Changing gears here and this whole post is MOO and nothing more. I woke up last night thinking about this for some crazy reason. For the longest time I thought David was alive and hiding, because I thought they loved each other so much they could have plotted this together. But after so many weeks the logic has set in – Tiffany is a cold character who loves no one but herself, and since she didn’t love HIM, she probably didn’t plan this WITH him. But she could have been in on a plan with someone else. I have always wondered how she spent all her time while David was working all those long hours, and whom she spent it with. So I suddenly got this thought last night that David really IS dead because Tiffany wanted so much to make SURE everyone knew he was dead and that there was no possible way he could be alive from this gunshot to the head that she says she saw. However, Tiffany could NOT have done away with David on her own because she would not have been able to dispose of both him and the jetski on her own. As she said, he was too big for her to drag anywhere. Also, if she had shot him herself there would definitely have been some evidence on her or her clothes somewhere, and gun residue on her hands when she came ashore. And she probably would have been screaming and crying hysterically, but she was only mildly upset (an act). So I don’t think she shot him herself. BUT, there is obviously SO much deception in her changing stories that she is hiding something big. I have to believe that someone helped her.
I’m wondering if it was HER idea that they go and take photos somewhere, probably not to the church though. When they were pulled over by LE on the way to Falcon Lake, David didn’t say that’s where they intended to go, so they were just going out on the lake and had the camera to take photos, but Tiffany probably told him exactly where to go, because it was pre-planned, and it was NOT the church. Wherever they went, someone was lying in wait for them nearby, behind some brush as Tiffany said, and Tiffany knew this. Maybe TH and DH originally launched 2 Sea Doos but at some point Tiffany suggested they get on one jetski together because it’s easier to take pictures when one person (Tiffany) is driving and the other (David) is on the back of the jetski taking the pictures (I mean, of you’re not going to park and walk up on land, how would you then stay on the water, taking pictures and driving at the same time?) So they parked one jetski near the designated spot and got on Tiffany’s together.
So a boat was waiting in the brush and this person was going to shoot David. It was all planned. The person may have even been known to David; it could have been someone who planned to meet them or someone they both knew who just “happened” to be on the lake, or someone that only Tiffany knew. Whatever, the person or people on the one boat waved and came over to them, and when David turned his head away from them, one of them shot him, right in the head as Tiffany says to make sure there was no way he could survive (so if he IS ever found, his skull will have a bullet hole in the head – this part of her story is probably true).
He would have then fallen off the jetski into the water. Maybe she then turned her jetski around and came back to make sure he was dead (an element of truth to her story that she turned around, and she wanted to “check him”, meaning she wanted to check and make sure he was dead). Maybe she did flip him over, but more likely it was the shooter who turned him over and she just looked at him. She did NOT get off her jetski and try to get him “back” on her jetski (another slip of the tongue that indicates he was originally on the back of her jetski.
There could have been a second and maybe a third boat that came up to them at that time, all people Tiffany knew or friends of the ones in the group of “pirates” that she did know. She probably WAS within 10 feet of all of them, and one of them had a rifle but it was not pointed at her. Then it could have been staged for one or more of the boats to “chase” her back to the U.S. side of the lake so witnesses would see this. One of the boats, maybe the one with the shooter, stayed with David and probably tied a rope around his life vest and dragged him away, where he and his jetski were taken up on land and disposed of, hidden, or taken far away. This is probably why Tiffany said with such certainty in one interview that she believed the “pirates” had probably taken David onto land (how else would she know what a bunch of pirates would do?) I tend to believe David IS somewhere where he was supposed to be discovered, maybe even near the church destination, because of the emphasis Tiffany kept placing on finding his body or DNA, and that it was probably on land. These were huge hints where to look for him. But Mexican LE has NOT found him, and who knows why? Maybe they didn’t look that hard. Or maybe they did look really hard and it’s just dumb luck that he was placed in a spot where they just haven’t found him. This is why Tiffany is frustrated. He was supposed to be found. And no one can risk going back and placing his body in a more obvious place at this point, without getting caught. Then, Tiffany says she just drove her jetski right toward and past these boats to get back to the U.S. side, which she probably did, because she KNEW they weren’t going to shoot her. The jetski and the camera had to disappear. There were probably photos in the camera that would have indicated exactly where they were (probably not the church) and that the photos were being taken from the back of Tiffany’s jetski.
So that leaves us with a MOTIVE. I’m gonna guess MONEY. But we still don’t know what that money source was intended to be, or maybe it was more than one source (insurance money and media money), that Tiffany plans to share with someone for helping her commit this deed. I would LOVE to know what the FBI has figured out. Again, all of this is my latest MOO. Anyone please feel free to punch holes in my theory or at least correct me where it doesn’t work.
@Jettx:
There is also strong evidence that the high birth defect rates and anencephaly were caused by toxins dumped in the Rio Grande. That river is the very lifeblood of the people on both sides of the border, they depend on it for everything. There were American corporations mining metals along the rio grande, the byproducts of which are highly toxic, things like copper, etc., being dumped unfiltered directly into the river because they could get away with it.
Whenever you have a phenomenon like this and there are studies to determine the cause of a rash of deaths, you have to look at who is doing the study. Don’t ever expect the government of the United States to put out an honest account when it is American corporations responsible for the deaths. The very people responsible for allowing these corporations to poison people to death ARE the government. Money under the table trumps everything!
Remember when DDT was killing off all the water birds back in the 50′s and 60′s?? Dow Chemical. Rachel Carson pleaded to the Congress to stop the destruction, they called her a “hysterical female”. That was when Congress was all male. Finally the EPA and we are seeing pelicans again down here on the Gulf Coast that were missing for 30 years! And it was also determined that DDT caused hundreds of cases of breast cancer in women who lived along Long Island Sound. A study was done on that too.
9.dede02 says:
November 11, 2010 at 11:24 pm
i don’t hardly ever post here because, you all are way ahead of me! i can’t keep up, someone always asks or says what i want to say before i can. blinksters are awesome!!! anyway, that was me asking that question about the money & where it is going (i tried to be as polite as possible since i thought it would be deleted, if i questioned too much!) still, no answer. i don not believe tiffany for one second-& like others, i will be the first to apologize if i am wrong! this entire story just doesn’t add up. again, i don’t post often because you all are way too ahead of me!
dede02
p.s.i think this site is probably being read & i don’t expect to get a honest answer from tiffany but i didn’t use my real name.-although i’m sure she will know now-oh well. i tried.
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Blink could DeDe02 be speaking volumes.
PS…Not to be offensive at DeDe 02 in any way
) but I think of old McDonald‘s song. With a MOO MOO here and a TH there and a DD here and a DD there e i e i oy vey. One other question but did TH work at an orphanage in Mexico? e,i,e,i O
@ChiaPet,
Wow, great post! Really food for thought. I think you may be right on with alot of this, but my main question is, where is he??? If he is really dead, where is he? Wouldn’t she realize that without a body being found or his jetski, people would be suspicious?
Now the only thing you didn’t cover is why the media, local law enforcement, and politicians were all over this from day one and wouldn’t even consider any other alternative than drug cartels.
I am suspicious however, of that “stop” that we saw the video of. Just not comfortable with how that went down. If that was in fact David in the truck, I don’t think this was a hit by wife, I think he was in on the scam. The whole video just looked phony to me. So that makes LE complicit in some aspect of this too, which was why I think it was a political deal.
But you really have an insight into TH that’s for sure. And I wouldn’t put it past her to come up with something like this. You really get that “it’s all about me” thing with her.
Blink, c’mon.. we’re dying here. Throw us a bone. You must have something you can share on this case.
luv you and you’re the bestest.
Have no bones to throw at the moment, I already tossed the pull of the “swabbed vest” results at the last minute.
I am hearing that her “people” for whatever interviews she does, have alerted media that they must agree in advance NOT to ask about the polygraph and her refusal to take it, or she will not do the appearance. This seems to have slowed down her junket.
Here is a nibble- For anyone that could hear the sound of the Texas Police who stopped them, did anyone hear them ask permission to search any part of the vehicle or it’s trailer?
B
@Chia,
One more thing, I guarantee you if David’s family suspects anything, it will be they that bust TH not any law enforcement. If what you say is true and she did in fact do this, I hope they get somebody to follow her around with a wire hidden for a long time. If she is guilty of murder she will eventually slip up. They may just be “going along to get along” and planning to move in when the time is right.
Oh, and about that preacher in Colorado. I am no body language expert but that guy was simply not in any way conducting a sincere prayerful memorial service. There was something so “off” about his mannerisms. I think he knows something and I think he was just going through the motions for the sake of the Hartley family.
i’m sorry i i even posted, i have NOTHING but my opinion on tiffany! i just don’t believe it happened the way tiffany said it did’ i think tiffany is lying & that is just my MOO! i’m sorry i posted anything know-like i said, i don’t usually (i think the last time i did post was a couple of months ago about morgan harrington!) again, i apologize, i don’t want anyone to think i know tiffany or anything related to this, except the videos & info posted here. i do not want to be accused of knowing any info except what i have watched & read. i only commented/asked the question on tiffany’s/david’s website to see if i could get any answers about the donations. i thought if i worded it politely, i may get some answers.(mot that i really thought it would work) i will just read here, as usual from now on.
Jettx: re you’re post #8 to me,
) I still do not believe these DB drug cartel guy’s care who they kill and who sees, besides who would prosecute them? EVERYONE is afraid of them!! Why would DH be any more important than my friend? And yes, I as well as the person that was shot and died live in the great USA.
Blink is so awesome and very smart that her answers to my questions go flying
As I wrote the other day, I have a mutual friend that was just killed on the McAllen Tx/ Mexican boarder just across on the Mexico side. This gentelman and his wife were driving back toward’s the boarder and were shot on accident and the people that did this did not stop thier shoot out to help nor hide this man or to offer aid to his dying wife. You wrote that they only want you to find the body in high profile cases. I have to disagree ( I have put my cheese on a pretzel flip-side cracker lol
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ChiaPet 517,
I LOL when reading you’re #5 post
right over my head and to think I just realized the other day we are both the same age!
I know this is off topic, but Mermaid’s last post reminded me of something.
Mermaid, you bring up lots of memories for me when you mention the cases of breast cancer. I grew up by the James river in Virginia and spent tons of time as a child, swimming in it and playing around it with my best friend. There was a huge chemical spill there in the 1960′s, not to mention years of pollution and run-off spills from the military and the shipyard. I remember my mother saying that there seemed to be so many women getting breast cancer who had homes on the river. At the time, she didn’t connect the relationship to the pollution, but instead thought, almost jokingly that it seemed to be a rich person’s disease, since so many of these women lived in mansions on the river.
Then, just a couple of years ago, my childhood best friend and I got breast cancer. I know there’s probably no way that we could prove that it came from the exposure of all of the pollutants on the river, but come on!
I just hope that a study will be done there, too, so that more women can be spared the ordeal of breast cancer.
ChiaPet517 says:
November 11, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Ok I feel like I’m on a starvation diet where clues and information are concerned. Not only that but I also took a stupid pill so I can’t figure out anything. Anyone want to guess what Blink meant in the comment to MY comment on November 10 @ 10:58 a.m.? It just says, “JET SKI.”
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Chia,
Perhaps, Blink, is zooming around on a Jet Ski:)
@ Here is a nibble- For anyone that could hear the sound of the Texas Police who stopped them, did anyone hear them ask permission to search any part of the vehicle or it’s trailer?
B
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Just watched, looked & listened to it again & picked this video up from YouTube.. This must be an unedited version of that original one because I don’t recall originally seeing the two troopers write down the tag numbers of the jetski’s & I guess run the tag numbers when they got back to their cars.. That part is at the 5:00 point in this video.. Perhaps I missed that before ?
But to answer your question no I didn’t hear the troopers ask to search the truck or the trailer the troopers just did a cursory glance of the bed of the truck & ski’s..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnfUyOnZBPo
Exactly, but they absolutely did look in the jetski’s by moving things around, etc- did we all see that?
B
This post is not in any way to denigrate the character of David Hartley who by all accounts seemed like a really nice guy. I watched the full memorial service in order to gain a little more information.
Basically the purpose of my post is to list some things that were mentioned as having been purchased during the 8 years that David and Tiffany were together. Some of these were also from other articles. One of the things I do not understand is that the whole purpose of the website is to get to the bottom of “what happened on the border” and “bring David home”. Yet not one word of that was even mentioned in the service. There were no pleas, no requests for help, which is why this donation thing on the website seems like an afterthought, and again, I think the whole purpose of the site is to counteract all the suspicions and questions that are out here.
This is a list of some of the expenses in David’s life that occurred during the 8 years of his marriage to Tiffany. This is alot of stuff in 8 years time. I cannot seem to find any information leading to Tiffany Hartley earning an income at any time during this 8 years so we have to assume these expenses were incurred by David’s salary alone.
1. Indian Motorcycle going price $30,000
2. White Truck with trailer for jetskis
3. Two jetskis approx, $13,000 apiece totally 26,000
4. A purple Harley Davidson was mentioned, they go for around $25,000
5. NOthing was mentioned but it would have to be assumed that they had insurance for all of these things, paid for registrations, etc.
6.A hot air balloon ride was mentioned, those go for $225 to $275 per person per ride.
7. A boat has been mentioned but I do not know if they actually owned one.
8. There were photos of numerous cruises. The average cruise for two people would have to have been around $3,000 and it looks like they took at least 2 or 3.
9. Scuba diving excursions. These are not cheap, you have to either purchase or rent dive gear, tanks, mask, vest, regulator. This would have come to several thousand dollars for several trips.
10. David is shown on an ice fishing trip which would have to have been somewhere up north in a cold climate. Air fare and excursion probably somewhere around $2,000.
11. It was mentioned he and Tiffany went on a safari to Kenya. This is very pricey, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $10,000.
I am trying to be somewhat conservative with these estimates. But by my calculations, this comes to about $130,000 spent in 8 years time.
This does not include any living expenses whatsoever. And there were probably quite a few other things thrown in there. This comes to nearly $16,000 a year spent on adventure and travel.
It boggles my mind how they were able to do and have all of this on one income alone in just 8 short years. There had to have been a great deal of debt incurred during this time. Am I the only one who sees this as suspicious?
I guess TH only volunteered as opposed to worked for an orphanage. I saw they also traveled to Kenya to help build an orphanage. Has anyone heard what orphanage she volunteered for?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F_uPPGb6qysJ:www.coloradoan.com/article/20101108/NEWS01/11080322/Family-mourns-loss-of-David-Hartley+tiffany+hartley+volunteered+orphanage+mexico&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The couple met as teenagers in Loveland, and Tiffany has returned there. The couple lived on the Texas-Mexico border while Hartley worked as an oil field services company manager for CalFrac and his wife volunteered at an orphanage.
Have no bones to throw at the moment, I already tossed the pull of the “swabbed vest” results at the last minute.
I am hearing that her “people” for whatever interviews she does, have alerted media that they must agree in advance NOT to ask about the polygraph and her refusal to take it, or she will not do the appearance. This seems to have slowed down her junket.
Here is a nibble- For anyone that could hear the sound of the Texas Police who stopped them, did anyone hear them ask permission to search any part of the vehicle or it’s trailer?
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Dear Blink,
Thank-you for throwing us a bone.
I need to relisten to the troopers raw video, again.
Blink, TH, is yesterday’s news, she is not fresh or interesting.
The Poly question would interesting, without, that thrown at her, nothing else would be new.
Will you, please, tell us, why you think the vest, has been pulled?
OK, LOL, if you had a dream, what would the dream say?
Thank-you for all your hard work. I admire your self-discipline.
It has been “pulled” because imo, it is not even blood. That would be embarassing as a simple field test would deduce that.
B
Just seems a coinkadink that 5 days after the election and the burial of all the media spewing it, they have the hometown memorial for DH and now life goes on post election and media frenzy. Yet DH’s actual demise and the investigation (which I say softly) is still a question to be answered. Many articles are now stating that he was murdered by pirates/cartels on the lake. …….Period…
Christy….please know that in no way do I want to trivialize the death of your friend. Tragic, tragic waste of a life and I am sorry if I came across as aloof or uncaring about your friends. I am sorry for your loss, and the pain of the senselessness of it.
What I want to emphasize is that I believe that DH was killed by mistake, and/or for the Jetski and at some point the sicarios realized the mistake. They either hid his body or got rid of him to save their own tails from the top cartel sicario…no one else. They have no fear of the govt, they only fear the to top sicario. They fear not having power and money. There is the big hunt right for a 12 yr old sicario. I saw the video of him and I can say with quite a bit of certainty that he is methed up or mentally ill, but probably both.
I love the Mexican people, I believe that they are some of the most talented, lovely people in all the world. It makes me sad to see what is happening to them, and at the same time, a little angry that they don’t stand up and fight harder. I know they have it in them.
It has been “pulled” because imo, it is not even blood. That would be embarassing as a simple field test would deduce that.
B
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Thank-you, B.
I am most curious: Does Falcon Lake, require an entry fee to the boat dock? I may need to become a member of a fishing blog, to find out.
@ Exactly, but they absolutely did look in the jetski’s by moving things around, etc- did we all see that?
B
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Well I just watched the video again & these old eyes didn’t exactly see them moving things around.. What I did see were the troopers just doing a cursory check of the bed of the truck & lean over the trailer, peek in & touch the side of the trailer as if they were scraping dirt off of it (3:35) & then writing down the plate numbers of the ski’s..
Perhaps someone else can detect something else @ the 3:35 & 5:00 pt marks..
No sirens or lights that I saw or heard to warn the driver to pull over either.. Three troopers must have meant 2 police cars or one cozy one..
Still wonder how the troopers managed to see expired tags on the truck when that area of the truck is obscured by the boat trailer & ski’s & wasn’t that the purpose of the stop ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnfUyOnZBPo
This has bothered me from the beginning-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnfUyOnZBPo
Troopers pull over DH’s truck – One goes to drivers side- to talk with DH two look at skis and seem very interested in them-(yes I saw that Blink) wiping off then reading writing down tag #’s- then one walks around to passenger side- you never see TH roll window down or that officer speak to her- or her make any-movement
When listening you can hear one officer in the vehicle comment “loco” in the truck “mary wanna” just drove by-beginning at 10:09 in the video watch 3 trucks- hear convo- 3 trucks move by one white with boxes one charcoal gray with boxes and one maroon with trailer- stacked with what appear to be bails of hay or? or more boxes….
We have since learned that the reason these officers abruptly let DH go is because they became aware of a shipment of weed that later turned out to be agency related- Were these trucks carrying this official shipment we heard about?- and if so- is this the way law enforcement ships illegal drugs usually?? Doesn’t seem too- safe or professional, if this is in fact what I am seeing on this video. Why weren’t these officers aware of this shipment? Why didn’t they know it was ‘official’ business?
Had these officer’s not been following up on this shipment, what would they have done with DH’s pull over? It seemed they were going to take even longer, until the officer brought up the “loco”- the officer ran back to his car in order to follow up on this Loco- they thought it was very important…
Just some things that I noticed and hoped others could comment on and clear -up
As usual, your freaking me out at your ability to pick up what I have barely even put down, lol.
Can you source the fact that it eventually was disclosed to be agency related? We could not source that a second time, lol.
Nice Work.
B
Christy, I am sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. Thank you for sharing their story, so we could possibly learn something from this tragedy. My condolences to all those involved.
SH: I am most curious: Does Falcon Lake, require an entry fee to the boat dock? I may need to become a member of a fishing blog, to find out.
On my lake to the northwest of Falcon (also a Federal Reserve), there is no entry fee on the boat ramps. I would assume this to be the same on Falcon.
Mermaid, Davids white truck was a company vehicle. One of the perks of working for Calfrac.
@ S.H
re:
I am most curious: Does Falcon Lake, require an entry fee to the boat dock? I may need to become a member of a fishing blog, to find out.
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while I didn’t read a specific entry fee to the boat dock there is an entry fee to the park..
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Entrance Fees:
* $2 per day, per person 13 and older
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/falcon/fee.phtml
Hope this is of help to you..
@ mom3.0
re:
When listening you can hear one officer in the vehicle comment “loco”
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“loco” could be cop shorthand for ‘local’ just as ‘bolo’ is cop shorthand for ‘be on look out (for)’..
In succession it is my opinion they were repeating a plate. Those are common terms.
B
Blink- unfortunately I ‘m in the same boat- I can’t find ANY reference to this shipment now- although at the time I clearly made note of it- Sorry- I’ll keep looking but I think it disappeared.
Does anyone have a link to the first story that showed the traffic stop- I believe it was with a San Antonio paper… or better yet can someone bring the reference to it being an agency shipment?
Thanks nana 2- I am not sure- but sounds like it could be either…
@LoriD,
I did not include a dollar item for the white truck however, my son in law drives a company vehicle for work related travel but they are not allowed to use it for recreational purposes, that is against company policy. They can drive it to work, on work related calls, and home, and that is it, it has to stay at their home on weekends or days off.
Even if the Kenya trip was church related, everyone has to pay their own way or at least that is my understanding. I just cannot fathom where all the money came from for all the vacations and toys.
Nana said..
No sirens or lights that I saw or heard to warn the driver to pull over either..
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I heard the siren before they pulled Hartley over. It’s very faint but it’s there. They must have had the windows closed on the cruiser. If you go to the source of the video..Lawenforcementrant.com. The audio is a little bit clearer.
Blink- I tried to find the references to the shipment being agency related and was unable. They seem to have disappeared.
I thought this would be an easily verified fact, one of the few- but again all references seem to have gone ‘poof’.
Maybe another poster- has the link? Or maybe Lee can ask her family if they have a newspaper clipping- explaining why the troopers abruptly left?- because I KNOW and remember that this was the reason given. Anyone?
Nana2 says:
November 14, 2010 at 5:35 pm
@ S.H
re:
I am most curious: Does Falcon Lake, require an entry fee to the boat dock? I may need to become a member of a fishing blog, to find out.
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while I didn’t read a specific entry fee to the boat dock there is an entry fee to the park..
snip)
Entrance Fees:
* $2 per day, per person 13 and older
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/falcon/fee.phtml
Hope this is of help to you.
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THANK-YOU! Nice work, Nana!
The answer is yes, an entrance fee would be required, according the site.
This may be how, a “rumor” that he not with her, on the Lake, started?
Possible, whoever, accepted the fee, may have ID the driver of
the vehicle, and it may not have been D.H.
I would say, also,that video surveilance, may also be a culprit for ID. Likely, there would be some kind of cameras on the houses or building’s around the boat launch. My Opinions.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/parkinfo/passes/parkpass/faqs/
5. How does the annual pass apply to those entering a State Park by boat, bicycle or foot?
Persons entering State Parks by boat, bicycle, or on foot with a valid Texas State Parks Pass may enter the park without paying a per person daily entrance fee. The pass holder may also be accompanied by as many as five other additional guests, also entering by the same means, who can also enter the park without paying an entry fee. The card holder and the physical card must be present in order to receive benefits.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/parkinfo/passes/parkpass/faqs/
PackLeader5 says:
November 14, 2010 at 4:36 pm
SH: I am most curious: Does Falcon Lake, require an entry fee to the boat dock? I may need to become a member of a fishing blog, to find out.
On my lake to the northwest of Falcon (also a Federal Reserve), there is no entry fee on the boat ramps. I would assume this to be the same on Falcon
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Thank-you, Pack Leader!
Mom3.0 says:
November 14, 2010 at 3:56 pm
This has bothered me from the beginning-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnfUyOnZBPo
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Mom,
The officers may have smelled the weed. We all know what it smells like (LOL) or I heard what it smells like, it is a sweet smell.:)
The officers, may had a Police patrol dog in the car. Perhaps, the
dog alerted the officers.
You certainly raised good points.
@ S.H.
you’re welcome..
Mom0f3
Here’s the link to the Zapata Times.
http://www.thezapatatimes.com
If there’s nothing there regarding the traffic stop, check the Laredo newspapers.
Blink- you asked for the link to Behnken’s blog comments about Guzman -I had posted it originally. Here you go:
put the http : // in front of this, the link is preventing my post)
lonestarbass.com/bass-fishing/falcon-lake-shooting/msg46486/
So did you go to Texas? Tease much?
Mermaid -yes lots of spending, you forgot the house full of furniture, and they seemed to have traveled home every year at least once to Colorado, and they had bought a house in (Ft.Collins?) and then one in McAllen…and the Key West trip in Sept., and looks like he did a few FL trips to Orlando, Miami Beach, Palm Beach, etc… Virginia Beach (all VERY historical places, of course)…but she did apparently work as a bank teller while he was in Russia working…and on FB she refers to having to work on her b-day (while in Reynosa), but never has there been a comment about what she did for work, never a mention of a career…
@Madilu,
Thanks, that’s alot of stuff in just 8 years. I was married to my first husband for 15 years. We both worked, had a child, and there was no way we could have ever had not only the money but the time to accomplish all those things and buy all those toys.
Maybe they just racked up a bunch of credit card debt….if not, that’s a money trail I would want to follow.
Jesus,Mary and Joseph, has everyone seen the latest on THE website?? Now they’ve got National Geographic, yes, National Geographic on board to continue the charade. Mind numbing and sickening. I now link National Geographic in with The History Channel and all the other purveyors of total disinformation. Are they trying to turn us into brain dead zombies or what??? Does this country and its government think its own people are incapable of free thought?
Well, Tiffany, congratulations, you’re getting just exactly what you bargained for. All the fame, and attention on YOU! How much are they paying you for this little game? Neither National Geographic or Tiffany Hartley has a clue what this border and drug war is all about. By the time they figure it out tens of thousands more will have been wiped out. The entire election of this country just a few weeks ago turned on this situation! And it’s all a big lie. They are turning the Mexican people into the next “hated” terror group. I guess they figured people had had enough of the Muslim boogeymen so they had to go and make up another one. This is another game they are going to lose just like they are losing in the Middle East. You cannot “create” an ideological war based on lies, false flag terror incidents, incitement of hate toward an entire race of people, and continuous propaganda from a mass media that is owned by same people that own the war machine. But, oh well, looks like they have succeeded up to this point, they got their lunatics who know nothing about government elected to incite more hate. Let’s see how long this house of cards stands. Where are the jobs????????????
Now wait a minute… They are having a conference on Border School/Problems at the local mental health facility? Hello.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/11/colorado_border_school_conference_in_aurora_to_discuss_border_security_gangs_drug_trafficking.php
Blink,
Do you think DH may have been into corruption of some form?
Thank-you
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(the comment was lifted from the other site by anonymous)
More on corruption at Pemex:
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/texas-31429-oil-south.html?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:cee547aa-03bd-4b7b-8c60-57e6901cf2e6
This article is about midlevel management people going to prison (5 yrs in Mexico) for selling stolen oil products from the state run oil company. Other articles suggest that the Zetas are involved in this scandal. (Google Pemex+Zetas)
Theory: David was as a mid level manager type, knew some of these people. And he was also involved with the oil scam. He was implicated maybe as part of someone elses plea deal. He and Tiffiany were afraid of 5 yrs in a Mexican prison. Meanwhile the organized crime side (Zetas) of the scam was also very scary.
Therefore David and Tiffany had a strong motive for David to disappear. Any stolen monies would have been confiscated, and also anything bought with it. And Davids life was at risk. The threat of prison was the least of his troubles. Since the scandal involves oil products sold in the US, so the US federal agencies are also involved.
David is not dead. If anything he is negoitiating for witness protection status.
This theory explains why she has not been arrested for murder yet, because no one is dead. This explains why she doesnt commit to saying he is dead because he is not. His jet ski was used for him to get away. The jet ski is stashed somewhere and he is likely not in Mexico at all since that is where he risks prosecution and/or death. Tiffany has not filed a (false) report. Actually maybe she has not committed any crime. Other then that trailer license tab. She may have received proceeds from the stolen oil products.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/david-hartley-scam-gone-wrong.html
Opinions and comments are not mine:)