Murder In Mexico: Tiffany Hartley Endures 16 Hours Of Interviews In David Hartley Death
..” I have nothing to hide. I Have ABSOLUTELY nothing to hide..”
Tiffany Hartley emerged on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 yesterday after her 16th hour of interviews at the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, Texas.
Hartley recounted the events of September 30, ending with the alleged murder of her husband David. Ms. Hartley gave both new testimony and confirmed her previous statements according to reports from the Mexican Attorney General and Ms. Hartley herself, without the presence of an attorney.
According to several statements from Hartley, David was shot “off his jet ski” while the couple was returning from the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, where they briefly took pictures of the historic church on Old Guerrerro. Neither David Hartley nor his Sea Doo watercraft have been recovered.
One of the most baffling aspect of the case, is the fact that Ms. Hartley claims the pair were shot at at as they were driving their jet skis away from alleged “pirates” they both waved a friendly hello to, seconds before. Tiffany Hartley was uninjured in the attack, and her jet ski was not hit in the gunfire. Although media was alerted last week that tests on a possible blood source on Tiffany’s life vest were due back that afternoon, we were quickly told there would be no updates about the possible blood evidence at this time.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime Editor spoke with Chuck Smith, owner Smith Marina USA about specifics of the Sea Doo RXT.
..Your correct, the RXT has a chip in the starter that is electronically programmed to “match” the owners lanyard key. If he was wearing the lanyard, whether attached to his vest, or in some cases the arm, and he was thrown off the ski, it activates a kill switch and will not start without the key it is programmed to without a factory reprogramming, which of course, one would need the paperwork for. In short, no matter what, they would need his key to start it.
Blink Question: What if he was not attached to the key, and he was shot and flew off the unit “in motion”, this would not shut the engine off, correct?
CS: Correct. The ski would continue in the direction the handlebars were pointing and continue to throttle in that direction.
Blink: How hard are these models to sink?
CS: Virtually impossible. I have never actually heard of, or seen one, sink to the bottom. The way the Coast Guard standards are now with these, they have hulls similar to boats.
Blink: Could enough bullet holes sink it? What about if the contiuum– could that have caused it to flip? Could anyone right it?
CS: No, not unless we are talking morter rounds. I guess in theory an automatic weapon could put enough holes cut it in half if that was the goal, but again, your still going to see shards of fiberglass all over the water, remnants similar to a boat accident or crash. Again, under these circumstances, I don’t see how he could flip it, but if it were, again, harder to see because the bottom is black, but any SAR or Coast Guard deployment knows what abnormalities to look for on the water surface. It would be next to impossible to “right it” in deep water. It would be more likely they would drag it to shallow water.
Blink: Is this chop-shoppable?
CS: Absolutely. There is some after factory devices, similar to lo jack, but the engine and parts are expensive and could easily be sold that way.
Blink: He was wearing a PFD I. In your opinion is that keeping him afloat until he is located if he was left in the water?
CS: Absolutely, unless it was removed, or he and the vest were removed from the water, he would be floating, yes.
As announced this morning on Dana Pretzer commentary, Blink, Editor In Chief of blinkoncrime.com will be discussing the Hartley case this evening live at 9PM EST on Scared Monkeys The Dana Pretzer Show.
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nana2 says:
November 19, 2010 at 9:53 am
@ S.H. says:
re:
The family’s appear to be BACKWARD. They are not worldly, or very gutsy people. She could get away with anything, with her gene pool.
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Ouch to that statement & I’m not sure what is meant by it..
Many, many, many intelligent individuals from extremely wealthy & intelligent families have gone the TH route & the name Tom Capano (Thomas J Capano) comes to mind quite quickly.. Capano a prominent & wealthy attorney thought he had it made with the ‘no body no crime’ theory until a sharp prosecutor dug his heels in on the case..
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Nana,
Where does a criminal mind come from? Not all Backward people commit
crimes and not every inteligent person commits a crime.
I always lean towards a very doted and spoiled person, who is egotist.
Again, not every spoiled person, commits a crime either.
Where does a criminal mind come in play? Is it greed?
Everyone check out TH’s latest rant on her website. Ridiculous. Looks and sounds as if it were written by a teenager. The spelling, grammar, and syntax are atrocious.
Then underneath that is a link to a video by Jan Brewer of Arizona slamming Obama for cowtowing to other “foreign countries” over the rights of Americans. Right into the same old playbook as before.
The fact that National Geographic would hook up with these people I find just off the wall.
After reading TH’s post a second time, I am firmly convinced this woman is mentally unbalanced. I also suspect she suffers from some kind of narcissistic personality disorder. It’s all about Me Me Me!!!
So………..if TH is so pissed off at the government for not caring about her husband, does that mean she will no longer be accepting donations to give to all the government entities that she lists on her website donate area?
@ S.H. says:
November 19, 2010 at 2:16 pm
re:
Where does a criminal mind come from? Not all Backward people commit
crimes and not every inteligent person commits a crime.
I always lean towards a very doted and spoiled person, who is egotist.
Again, not every spoiled person, commits a crime either.
Where does a criminal mind come in play? Is it greed?
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S.H. HUH !!
Please go back & reread my comment since actually ‘I was replying to your comment of @ S.H. says: November 19, 2010 at 9:31 & you were replying to someone named lizzygoat ‘..
I did not use the term Backwards to describe anyone its not something I would do I was quoting..
Mermaid could you provide a link for Tiffanys Facebook page. I am not finding it. Thank you.
Regarding the website film on the Jan Brewer/Arizona controversial immigration law, again “little Miss Sunshine” doesn’t quite hit the mark. For one thing it is nothing more than a clip of a Fox News Broadcast about the situation. Need I say more? Real information—zero. Propaganda—lots of it.
As an American I am just as ashamed and frustrated as most about our government allowing its borders to become a sieve and the ensuing chaos and danger that has taken place.
But the governor of Arizona provided a knee jerk reaction not unlike the knee jerk reaction of full body scanners and legal molestation of airline passengers to the “war on terror”. She has created her own dilemma. Virtually one third of Arizona exports go to Mexico. Arizona and Latin American countries are entertwined in all kinds of commerce that is now being cut off. There is a boycott of Arizona tourism in full swing. In other words they are hitting her in her pocket book where it hurts most. Ten Latin American countries have filed a lawsuit against the state of Arizona. And yes, they can do it. They have contractual business agreements with this state with lots of money riding on them. Gov. Brewer just thumbed her nose at all that in favor of traffic stop shakedowns of anyone who looks Hispanic. It is a violation of their civil rights just like forcing millions of innocent Americans to stand in a machine that shows their entire bodily profile for all the world to see and threatening them if they refuse the scans. People need to see the parallels here, it amounts to the same thing.
I can’t imagine if David was “spooked,” so many versions of his shooting would have come out of Tiff’s mouth daily for over a month, not to mention donations and political posturing.
She could have made the story far less sensational and also left far fewer questions screaming for answers.
Not one piece of evidence, as has been stated here and elsewhere, was taken and analyzed, except for the life vest, and nothing about that adds up. Was it released or did (does) Sigi still have it? Where did he send for analysis? Wouldn’t a crime lab or investigators hold onto it for evidence, even if tests were done, to have a chain of evidence, just in case?
I have never heard of evidence being released, that quickly or in that manner, even though Sigi refused to consider Tiff a possible suspect. Why test the life vest at all if they were not going to follow protocols?
Mexico is still investigating. Wouldn’t they want all the evidence they could get? Wouldn’t they like to know if the “smear” or “spot” was “blood” or “red sauce” from “Subway.” Wouldn’t they like to know why it, and everything on Tiff and the jet ski, wasn’t soaked or covered in watery blood?
Does anyone have a theory on what the Mexicans are using for evidence as Sigi never collected any?
@ lizzygoat & ChiaPet517 who tried to answer questions about the vest or who steered me to a date. Thanks. Tried to answer earlier, but all posts were deleted when “error” said I had not entered an email address. I had.
Still don’t know how it is known DH was wearing PFD 1.
48.lizzygoat says:
November 19, 2010 at 11:47 am
Respectfully snipped:
As it is maybe a year or two down the road the case will break or not but by then for those who have a problem discerning right from wrong will have the wrong idea stuck in their head for way too long and will most likely not be able to change their mindset
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Unfortunately, I think this case has come to it’s end…in so far as David’s demise and any investigation. When TH met with the MX officials at the FBI’s facility, I really thought the FBI was going to be present/involved for her statement, but they were not….maybe by video and/or audio, but not physically present. Nor have we heard of any investigation being pursued from any agency on our side of the border.
IMO, TH is beginning to see the end to her 15 mins…and how quick the political hand can drop any tidbit in order to pick up the next to
satifsy their next venture. Her audience is now down to her 300+ friends on her FB site and “she believes she will be sharing a daily video”. Her latest posting on the Bring David Home website starts with the realization that life is not fair—ends with Godspeak and her talking to David, (my love).
Maybe there will be a comeback effort made in a year’s time, when the election of 2012 is in the forefront. That gives her a year to do her homework on the border/MX/USA issues. Border control is only one piece of the big picture and if she can only google “Bush, border” it will get her started and hopefully also comprehend that it is and has been, in fact, a nonpartisan issue. The big boys aren’t going to tell their real agenda. Perplexing, in my view, because she should be able to figure it out rather quickly. Afterall, she’s been practicing diversion tactics from the get go.
ChiaPet517 says:
November 16, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Sometimes you get a sense from these cases, like I kind of got the sense that Kyron Horman was deceased from Day One (sorry, it’s true I felt this). But with David Hartley I never got that sense. It has always felt to me that he was still out there, and thus the weird behavior from Tiffany, the family, the MINISTER at the memorial, etc.
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I agree with you, ChiaPet.
B. mentioned, “Spooked” (phase phasing) when they were stopped.
Interesting, TH, did not address the audience, during the memorial.
She would have giggled, not keep-up with the facade.
If she “popped” him-off, she could be able to stand up with a straight face, and thank the 400 mourners for their prayers and attendance.
This was a last minute thing, no one is quite so stupid,
to change the story so many times, she is still spooked.
He was never on the water, but where did he go? My opinions.
Mermaid14 says:
November 19, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Everyone check out TH’s latest rant on her website. Ridiculous. Looks and sounds as if it were written by a teenager. The spelling, grammar, and syntax are atrocious.
Then underneath that is a link to a video by Jan Brewer of Arizona slamming Obama for cowtowing to other “foreign countries” over the rights of Americans. Right into the same old playbook as before.
The fact that National Geographic would hook up with these people I find just off the wall.
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Money, money, money.
Why NG is riding David Hartley’s coat tails. To sell their story.
IMO
National Geographic will again air the show Murder on the Lake directed towards the Hartley incident tonight at 10:00 pm (EST) if anyone is interested in viewing it & hearing TH describe the incident once again..
@Lapis/lizzygoat:
Did you get a load of the part of her post where she says “God and David are preparing my mansion in Heaven.”?? OMG, talk about read between the lines. IMO this lady is leaving clues all over the place, not unlike the other TH who killed her stepson. They always tell a little of the truth wrapped up in lies so you never quite figure it out. Wonder where the new mansion really is?
I too felt that poor little Kyron was done away with soon after he was snatched from the hallway at school. Don’t know if it was discussed on this forum, but there were very many similarities between that case and the Scotty Baker murder case where the stepmother sends in a friend to check the child out of school, stepmother lies wait in the car under a blanket, then as soon as the child is in the car, she strangles him and they bury him. She was pregnant and just didn’t want to be bothered with him anymore. She too had her supporters who talked about what a fine Christian woman she was and could never have committed such a henious crime. Jury didn’t agree.
@Elizabeth,
Don’t have facebook or link to that. I am getting all my info from the bringdavidhome.com website.
Mermaid14 says:
November 20, 2010 at 9:53 am
@Lapis/lizzygoat:
Did you get a load of the part of her post where she says “God and David are preparing my mansion in Heaven.”?? OMG, talk about read between the lines. IMO this lady is leaving clues all over the place, not unlike the other TH who killed her stepson. They always tell a little of the truth wrapped up in lies so you never quite figure it out. Wonder where the new mansion really is?
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Does God built mansions in heaven?
Why does she go on and on? That is so puzzling, why she embellishes a story and now it involves God. She is spooked, all right, that may
be the answer.
@S.H.,
She is quoting (badly) the Bible verse John 14:2 in which Jesus is speaking to his disciples and says: “In My Father’s house there are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you.” If I requoted badly please forgive me.
Also in that short paragraph, I counted her use of the words I,me, my 14 times. It speaks volumes.
13.Mermaid14 says:
November 20, 2010 at 9:53 am
snipped:
@Lapis/lizzygoat:
Did you get a load of the part of her post where she says “God and David are preparing my mansion in Heaven.”?? OMG, talk about read between the lines. IMO this lady is leaving clues all over the place, not unlike the other TH who killed her stepson. They always tell a little of the truth wrapped up in lies so you never quite figure it out. Wonder where the new mansion really is?
Venezula or Columbia? Nice little ranch for raising cattle and horses…and maybe a side business? Movin on up….
Mermaid14 says:
November 20, 2010 at 11:11 am
@S.H.,
She is quoting (badly) the Bible verse John 14:2 in which Jesus is speaking to his disciples and says: “In My Father’s house there are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you.” If I requoted badly please forgive me.
Also in that short paragraph, I counted her use of the words I,me, my 14 times. It speaks volumes.
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Thank-you, Mermaid, for clearing that up. She is far-out, maybe,
far out to the Cabbage Patch.
He is a dare-devil, prankster, and who knows what else. Some of us think Mexico,South American,or Wyoming. You can be anonymous in NYC.
He could have changed his appearance to long hair, lost weight, granny
glasses:) and a cap on his head, who would know it would be DH?
He could even have a Perm and wear a curly hair-do or an Afro, no one would know, unless, you see his smile or his glorious eyes.
My opinions.
Yet more ranting from TH today about further militarizing the border. She cannot seem to wrap her silly little teenage mind around the fact that flooding an area with the U.S. military doesn’t always solve the problem. Hello? We’ve been at war in two foreign countries now for nearly a decade, and hey, we really solved that “terror” thing didn’t we? Trillions of dollars, thousands of dead Americans and for what? So we can lose all our civil rights here because they might “attack” us again. Until we understand and get at the root problem of what is causing millions of illegals to flood our country, we can send all the troops we want and it will still not stop. They already sent in several thousand extra troops to the border. Drug wars still in full swing, death toll higher and continuing to rise. Did sending more troops help? Until we understand the dynamics of the fundamentalist terror movement that too will never be won.
Tiffany, now that you have more time on your hands, how about doing a little research into the problem and stop cozying up to Rick Perry and that Zapata Sheriff because they are a part of the problem not a part of the solution. If they had any answers, the problem would be solved by now. Perry’s been in office ever since I can remember, he hasn’t seen the border problem as critical until right before this latest election. As an educator, I saw the problem developing nearly 40 years ago because immigrants have kids who have to be educated, and that is what I do.
Hi ladies -it’s been a while. Yup. Her 15 minutes is dwindling fast. I am convinced that we will never be made aware of the “blood results”
When I see her written comments, mostly I just feel so sorry for her -she really is ignorant. Seems like she can’t make up her mind what her battle is about… bring him home, no justice for him, media tours back to back…border violence -and now she is venturing into anti- Obama and anti-government. And we already know that she is not tolerant of anyone who is not born again Christian. I’m just shaking my head…It is amazing to me that she is insulting and throwing darts at the very people she professes to want to support to further a complex mission. Who does that? And yes, her grammar and spelling is atrocious…one person who commented on her rantings even spelled our President’s name “Oboma” Now that was just too sad for words… I agree with you that she is self-indulgent, self-absorbed…and all that me me me…I I I is kinda creepy actually. I bet her FB friends are just going, “OMG -how can I delete her without her noticing…?” My advice to them is, “hide Tiffany” from news feed! Sounds like she is going to shove it down all their throats. Which, imo is just not pleasant, or fair to friends. FB is supposed to be fun, right? I wonder if she will learn that respect is earned. It really is hard to take someone seriously, about a serious issue, who can’t spell ‘graphic,’ for starters. And on top of this I have no doubt that a lot of her, “friends” are silently suspicious and recognize her self-importance…. Just sitting back with my popcorn on this one for now. I wish there was something I could do to draw attention to LE, or raise a stink that they are not investigating, but am thinking not…? Natti natt!
@Isfahan,
re: life jacket~
40. Lizzygoat says: November 19th at 12:45 AM
Blink said Oct. 8th:
He had a class 1 PFD. Best they make
B.
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if Blink says that’s what kind of life jacket DH was wearing then you can take that to the bank!
Also I keep seeing people writing in thier posts about DH being shot in the head, yet if you go back and look at her later interviews she changed that part of her story to he was shot in the neck! See this is why you just can’t believe anything she says b/c if DH was shot in the head and his brains are falling out how are you gonna then change you’re story to a neck shot? IMO her story is a bunch of BS
Re: Falcon Lake shooting
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 08:59:36 PM »
A Blogger D.K. wrote this comment, interesting.
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Just got off the phone with Behnken who is down there and was with the sheriff today. The sheriff has had that couple under surveylance for a few weeks. They suspect this as a drug deal gone bad. This all happened at the church in Salado. The couple has been launching at speedys place and running across and shortly returning. This is not a pirate thing like the media is portraying.
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I do not know what happened, if anything, on Falcon Lake. I would like
to know, because, if I had the chance of going fishing at Falcon Lake,
I would go. I just would like this case to be resolved.
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Blink I have the link, where the comment came from, the blogger put
his full name on the blog, and I didn’t wish to expose his name.
@SH,
Interesting stuff you found there. But if in fact that is the case, why were they never arrested? And after the “shooting”, why wasn’t SHE arrested? This is why I suspect David is still alive. The two were working in some kind of capacity for the government, or politicians down there, perhaps in a “narc” capacity to bring down drug dealers. Something obviously went terribly wrong, or they made it look that way on purpose to draw attention and needed $$$ to the area. Either way, they had an epic fail in their efforts, except their efforts to elect nutcase politicians that will further complicate matters. Now there is a major coverup going on. You don’t change the biggest part of your story about the mortal wound. You notice she didn’t change that until after she met with FBI and all those other LE guys that interrogated her for hours. I think its now time to interrogate LE and MSM for some answers. They keep expecting us to swallow all this BS they dish out. No evidence of a murder, changing story, a widow who doesn’t grieve. Is there a single MSM reporter left in our country who cares about the truth over the almighty dollar???
Oh and Tiffany, stop hiding behind God already! He’s got better things to do. No one feels sorry for you, at least I don’t. I feel sorry for the REAL victims in this drug war and you are NOT one of them.
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Mermaid14 says:
November 20, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Yet more ranting from TH today about further militarizing the border. She cannot seem to wrap her silly little teenage mind around the fact that flooding an area with the U.S. military doesn’t always solve the problem. Hello? We’ve been at war in two foreign countries now for nearly a decade, and hey, we really solved that “terror” thing didn’t we?
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Perhaps the reason why TH is doing all of this border & cartel ranting is just a cover up to create a smoke screen for the real truth behind DH’s disappearance ‘a drug deal gone bad’.. David’s past actions show he is a risk taker but Tiffany is trying to direct everyone’s attention away from him in a way & towards another hot button issue.. I agree that tag stop threw them or David off balance & perhaps made him nervous to a point he did something dumb that day..
Nana, Remember, “He’d do it for her.” CYA
ermaid14 says:
November 21, 2010 at 8:27 am
@SH,
Interesting stuff you found there. But if in fact that is the case, why were they never arrested? And after the “shooting”, why wasn’t SHE arrested? This is why I suspect David is still alive. The two were working in some kind of capacity for the government, or politicians down there, perhaps in a “narc” capacity to bring down drug dealers. Something obviously went terribly wrong, or they made it look that way on purpose to draw attention and needed $$$ to the area. Either way, they had an epic fail in their efforts, except their efforts to elect nutcase politicians that will further complicate matters. Now there is a major coverup going on. You don’t change the biggest part of your story about the mortal wound. You notice she didn’t change that until after she met with FBI and all those other LE guys that interrogated her for hours. I think its now time to interrogate LE and MSM for some answers. They keep expecting us to swallow all this BS they dish out. No evidence of a murder, changing story, a widow who doesn’t grieve. Is there a single MSM reporter left in our country who cares about the truth over the almighty dollar???
Oh and Tiffany, stop hiding behind God already! He’s got better things to do. No one feels sorry for you, at least I don’t. I feel sorry for the REAL victims in this drug war and you are NOT one of them.
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Mermaid,
Yes, I still believe, DH, is alive,too! Tiffany, smirked, when asking for evidence, to lead to David’s body. She knows there is no body to
be found, because, he is walking around somewhere, IMO.
The fishing blogs, puzzle me:) I need to look for Speedy’s boat launch, perhaps it is the Lodge or Inn on the Lake.
A Blinkster, posted, a commment about a David Guzman? He is supposedly
from Zapata, I believe, Roma. He would be either 20 or 45, according
to the search engines. A fishing blogger, noted, that a David Guzman
perished on a contraband run, so are the two Davids, being confused?
I have not found a David Guzman’s obit, but, not every has a Obit. published, either. Rat’s, I am going to look for Speedys:) out of curiosity.
David and Tiffany. did not have ample time on their hands to zip around that day, the time had to be very efficient, so I also am questioning that comment, not discounting it,yet.
Tia and Tiffany need to vote or register to vote if they are unhappy
with goverment. They should campaign for a candidate instead of growling.
@ elizabeth
Here is the link to Tiffany’s Facebook page but in case the link doesn’t work for you just go into Facebook & click on the ‘find friends’ link at the bottom of the page & she is listed under Tiffany Young-Hartley
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tiffany-Young-Hartley/643032226
@ elizabeth
This is the link for DH’s memorial (?) Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Honor-of-David-Michael-Hartley/135397963173935
http://www.manta.com/c/mmjrmr2/beacon-lodge
This may be the speedy boat launch.
I found a cat named “Speedy” who likes to fish on Facebook.
I can give any other information about Cat, then he may not fish.
While many quotes and forum posts can be taken out of context or chosen carefully, I found these while looking around on the internet. Both, I believe to be reliable references.
http://borderviolenceanalysis.typepad.com/mexicos_drug_war/2010/10/what-really-happened-to-the-hartleys-on-falcon-lake.html
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101020_falcon_lake_murder_and_mexicos_drug_wars
@ Mermaid14 says
The two were working in some kind of capacity for the government, or politicians down there, perhaps in a “narc” capacity to bring down drug dealers.
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I think if the Hartleys were working for the government as undercover narc’s Tiffany wouldn’t be putting herself out in the public eye so much.. I would think she would want to keep a very low profile for fear of retribution for past events they might have uncovered.. Being so well known now she wouldn’t be able to carry on in that type of work since she now has no cover..
I too feel David is alive & well sipping Margaritas somewhere..
http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/obituaries/?lname=guzman&fname=&minit=&kwinc=&kwexc=&formDate=2010&location=TX
Obit., found nothing under D.Guzman. I found nothing on SSN -
I looked, 2010 “Guzman” found one Obit., not from Zapata.
D.G. could still be gone, just not in a Obit.
nana2 says:
November 21, 2010 at 1:28 pm
@ Mermaid14 says
The two were working in some kind of capacity for the government, or politicians down there, perhaps in a “narc” capacity to bring down drug dealers.
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I think if the Hartleys were working for the government as undercover narc’s Tiffany wouldn’t be putting herself out in the public eye so much.. I would think she would want to keep a very low profile for fear of retribution for past events they might have uncovered.. Being so well known now she wouldn’t be able to carry on in that type of work since she now has no cover..
I too feel David is alive & well sipping Margaritas somewhere..
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Nibblin on sponge cake Watchin the sun bake All of those tourists covered…
JIMMY BUFFETT -
P.S.
We should know about a year if DH is around, BDH is $et up for a year.
Hmmmmm….if David IS alive, how will Tiffany ever meet up with him again without someone noticing? Or does she plan to disappear too eventually?
Further information about what commonly goes on in Mexico and another possibility of where Hartley is;
*snipped*
Man vanished after arrest, Mexican army later denied occurred
by Maggie Ybarra \ El Paso Times
Posted: 11/22/2010 12:00:00 AM MST
Maria Vizcaíno still looks for her brother, three years after he disappeared in a country fraught with corruption, drugs and death.
She said Cesar Vizcaíno Amaro vanished on Feb. 20, 2008, after the Mexican army arrested him on suspicion of trafficking drugs and possessing weapons in Juárez.
Vizcaíno Amaro, then 35, was one of eight men arrested that day, army records show. The others were booked into a Juárez jail, but nobody saw or heard from Vizcaíno Amaro again, his sister said.
The army, though, later issued a report contradicting its own records and denying that Vizcaíno Amaro had been in its custody.
Maria Vizcaíno, 41, said her family learned of her brother’s arrest while watching a Spanish news station. The next day, they went to Juárez but found no trace of him.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_16676466?source=most_viewed
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ChiaPet517 says:
November 21, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Hmmmmm….if David IS alive, how will Tiffany ever meet up with him again without someone noticing? Or does she plan to disappear too eventually?
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My guess is she will lead into it with the good old ‘I need to get away for a while & try to get on with my life as David would want me too’.. Then dye the hair & go off to Canada or overseas & meet him..
If Tiffany and David have been working as narcs or in some other capacity for our government, then God help us all.
sorry about ‘want me too’ = s/b ‘want me to’
There is an ATM in the vinicity of the boat docks. I would like to know if there was a withdrawal on Sept. 30.
Please, can anyone answer my curious question?
Was Tia, sobbing prior to addressing the mourners? OR did she become tearful during her speech? TIA.
I seem to recall she appeared: sobbing, sniffing and shaken-up, when she reached the stage.
I do think she was putting on a show. Tia has been visible, before the memorial, and never a tear in her eyes, when in public.
ok I just watched the Nat. Geographic/ Hartley side show again since I’m more awake in the afternoon than late at night & knew I would be more attentive.. I will say the more I view the program the more I pick up from Tiff..
She talks about 3 boats circling her & David out on the lake but only gives the colors of two one is white & the other black or green according to her but she states 3 boats in the 911 call so perhaps two are the same color.. I’ll give her that one..
After David is shot & she heroically jumps into the water to get him she no longer sings the ‘God told me to leave’ or the ‘I asked David what should I do, what should I do’ mantra’s as she originally said in earlier versions of the story.. She just states she turned him over, he was shot in the head & describes in great detail his height & weight vs her height & weight & the blood..
While she was in the water trying to bring David onto her ski Tiffany says the boats circled back & one of the men had his gun pointed at her & according to her she begged them not to shoot her.. Tiffany then states that one of the men on the boat asked one of the other men “what should we do with her” ? So since I don’t know any cartel people I now have to ask do these cartel people speak English when they are killing people because I distinctly recall Tiffany saying she didn’t speak or understand Spanish so how did she know what they were saying amongst themselves ?
Anyway I guess even though they had her in their gun sites they decided to let her go & I thought these cartel folks were smart & fearless..
Tiffany then states she jumped on her ski & quickly headed back to shore slouched down behind the seat of the ski so if they shot at her they would hit the seat & not her; since I know nothing about jet ski’s I will have to take Tiff’s word for that very detailed visual she gave.. But then again I have to ask if these cartel people didn’t shoot her when they had her out on the lake, in their gun sites & out of view of others why would they chase her & try to shoot at her on the run & perhaps miss the shot ? They had just freely let their witness go from the scene of the incident it’s like the old locking the barn door after the horse got out story.. “The Story”..
It’s just right out of central casting as they say but if you haven’t viewed the program its quite interesting how National Geographic is apparently behind this story 100% which throws a new light on the fact checking job..
ChiaPet517 says:
November 21, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Hmmmmm….if David IS alive, how will Tiffany ever meet up with him again without someone noticing? Or does she plan to disappear too eventually?
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ChiaPet,
Interesting, thought, if she will vanish,too, perhaps,in the Spring?
It took a few years to detect where, Olivia John’s, ex-boyfriend, disappeared to,it may take a year or more to decode where is DH.
This is so baffling, she pleaded, day and night, for David’s remains,
for three weeks. She talked to Mr.Invisible, asking to send his body
or DNA. Since she moved back to Colorado, not one plea about David’s body back.
How can you go, from day in and day out, pleading, and then nothing?
zinnia says:
November 22, 2010 at 9:52 am
If Tiffany and David have been working as narcs or in some other capacity for our government, then God help us all.
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Tiffy is a little flakey:) She was a member of 4-H for eleven years. She must have some resourcefulness.
I don’t want her on any police squad, close to my house. She would not
remember, which way the culprit’s ran… that way, oh,no.. that way.
I don’t necessarily think Tiff & David have any intentions of meeting up again. He disappeared and is living his new life with new appearance & identity. TH is making some money from interviews & donations & parents. Plus, she gets lots of attention. She was also used to being without him for long periods of time. They’re done with each other, possibly – IMO.
i am very rarely able to post links, but i’ll try. has anyone seen the comments about aron morris at http://seausoriley.blogspot.com/2010/11/david-hartley-theories-abound.html. hope this works & i apologize in advance if this has already been discussed. (also, not sure if we are supposed to link) please delete if needed. also, tiffany has a new post? (not sure what it’s called) on david’s website. tiffany is one strange person. MOO!
Loca says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:56 pm
I don’t necessarily think Tiff & David have any intentions of meeting up again. He disappeared and is living his new life with new appearance & identity. TH is making some money from interviews & donations & parents. Plus, she gets lots of attention. She was also used to being without him for long periods of time. They’re done with each other, possibly – IMO.
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Loca,
You may be right. Tiffany did say “I will go on with my life
and you can go on, too”! The statement from her, was kookie. Who is she telling that they can “go on”?
It may just be David, telling him, he could go on with his life.
This sounds like it just makes more sense. Perhaps she was telling
the B.F. to go on? I think it is David, good point.
@Jettx
You posted two sites on Nov. 21. I usually look at sites that people take the time to post, as I did with yours. I mean no offense to you for posting, but have a few comments.
The woman who writes the borderviolenceanalysis is full of it. She states unequivocally that the Zetas where involved. That is simply not true, as she could not know this.
No one knows what happened to David Hartley, except Tiffany Hartley, whether David Hartley was killed by his wife, or is even dead, let alone who killed him. She is speculating and calling it fact. People who do that as “experts” are dangerous.
She doesn’t know what happened but pretends to as some sort of “expert.” If she were really an expert she wouldn’t be writing that kind of nonsense.
She seems to be a follower of Stratfor. They are a headline grabbing business working with Non-Sheriff Gonzalez in Border Schools. They may have some clout, but most people find their theory preposterous, given the other evidence that’s out there, namely Tiffany, herslf.
Is it my imagination or have things gone really quiet with TH? I haven’t read anything lately about any interviews, any pleas to the media or politicians to find his body….seems like the elections were over and that was that. Is she at the point maybe where she is trying to get out of the limelight so people will forget, and so she can slip away and meet up with someone? It’s either going to be an unknown male or DH himself (I’m still not getting the vibe that he is dead; not getting the vibe that she saw him gunned down anywhere, whether on land or in water). I have also been wondering if DH’s family KNOWS what he was up to down there, or if Tiffany told them it was a drug deal gone bad, so that’s why they’re not saying anything or pressuring anyone. MOO
41.nana2 says:
November 22, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Snipped:
While she was in the water trying to bring David onto her ski Tiffany says the boats circled back & one of the men had his gun pointed at her & according to her she begged them not to shoot her.. Tiffany then states that one of the men on the boat asked one of the other men “what should we do with her” ? So since I don’t know any cartel people I now have to ask do these cartel people speak English when they are killing people because I distinctly recall Tiffany saying she didn’t speak or understand Spanish so how did she know what they were saying amongst themselves ?
Maybe she can say anything at all now….since it seems there is no investigation to challenge anything she says.
She has posted daily links to border problems on her FB site and is now duplicating them on the Bring David Home website…….along with babbling about Thanksgiving and Christmas. How her and David did not have a tree, but helped decorate their friends during a Thanksgiving dinner date. The van arrived from TX and she now has 90 days to go through it to look for damage that may have happened????? Also, goes on to tell the world they will not be home but going to see her ill grandfather. Nothing like making an announcement to any would be thieves!!!!!
She needs diagnosed,IMO. Bipolar? Disassociation? Dual Personality? It just seems she goes from one thought to another all the time; even in the interviews where they let her rattle on.
I’ve tried to add that website to my favorites for easy access and it is not allowing…Wonder why? Anyone else have that problem? Thx.
@ lapis says:
I’ve tried to add that website to my favorites for easy access and it is not allowing…Wonder why? Anyone else have that problem? Thx.
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I just added it with no problem.. Then deleted it..